/agpg/ - Autogynephilia General

>Playing with my nipples for years has slowly caused them to grow in size
help

>>8800908
Stop playing with them?

>>8800940
>implying it is possible to break the addiction

>>8800940
But if she does they'll stop growing.

>>8800887

>one-pic test of AGP
>am definitely AGP
>but had no reaction to the picture

It's a dud, senpai. Probably because I haven't had yellow fever in years.

>>8801375
You can't even see her face!

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>tfw estrogen makes you content being a man
>tfw you dont want to change into a woman anymore and drop hrt
>tfw you get terribly depressed in no time
>tfw you have to get back on hrt to not feel suicidal

>>8801537
This

>>8801537
Nothing wrong with estrogenated males

>>8801519

Looks like a mongoloid body. Even if I'm wrong, that was my perception and that was the foundation for my reaction.

>>8801589
I wish I could be like you, but nah Im not going that far or Ill have to move to another country

>>8800908
>implying that's a bad thing

I'm curious agpg! http://poal.me/1b6gfd

>>8801845
tfw can't choose between
>not sure
>not planning to transition

>>8801845
HRT but not sure if ever going to transition or not

>>8801896
Then I guess you're not sure huh!

>>8801905
y-yeah i just thought that...

>>8801537
have you considered that
maybe
you are a woman?

for real maybe without the dysphoria transitioning doesn't seem as urgent to you and the social pressure gets to you. push through.

>>8801800
but i'm repressing..

>>8801845
Very surprised by the number of quasi-transitioners in /agpg/.

>>8802207
I think the thread kind of turned in the right direction. You no longer see people thinking that they shouldn't transition just because they're AGP.

>>8802224
I agree but that's not the same as thinking you should transition.

Well, agp and dysphoria aren't mutualy exclusive, aren't they?

>>8802254
Yeah I think that some people just realized that they're both AGP and trans and should go ahead.

>>8802262
What percentage of agp's have at least some level of dysphoria? (just estimation ofc)

>>8802271

> believes in AGP without realizing it is one and the same as dysphoria

desu

>>8802283
Then why should be different threatment for agps like several anons suggested?

>>8801845
im planning to transition into a femboy/0ng T male, wish me luck-...

>>8802255
You can be trans and AGP, yes.

>>8802271
Honestly? No idea. We don't know how many AGPs there are out there. If we flip the question we have clearer figures: some 80% of gynephilic MTFs and 20% of androphilic MTFs have experienced some form of AGP at some point (though it rarely survives the process of transitioning for long).

>>8802289

Transitioning is just what a lot of AGPs want to do. It's not a treatment, any more than eating ice cream is a treatment for wanting to eat ice cream.

>>8802293
I personally believe that agp is mostly coping mechanism and don''t believe that cis males experience it outside of some humiliation kink or smth. I was into forced femme! - because it made guilt over my feelings go away.

>>8802299
And what is transition for hsts?

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>>8801375
>>8800887
Funnily enough I'm a biological male not planning to transition but my biggest turn-ons is wearing one piece swimsuits pretending I'm a woman. I own several of them and am looking for some smooth cheap over-kneesocks to compliment my 'me' time.

>>8802306

A way of getting more hot straight guy cock, generally

>>8802305
I mostly agree. I do think that the kink version males experience is almost the same though. They just develop it for a different reason.

>>8802306
Palliative treatment for internalized homophobia.

>>8801537
>tfw some people still argue that HRT is just a placebo and doesn't make tranners feel better chemically despite countless stories like this

>>8802316
Interesting. Still think they are big minority though

>>8802328
lol.

>>8802314
You sound like a fetishistic transvestite more than tru agp.

>>8802343
That's what AGP is though? Trans people just develop it to cope sometimes.

>>8802314
I wonder why some AGPs like swimwear, some like lingerie, etc.

>>8802355
needs more body focus

>>8802375
idk
>pretending I'm a woman

>>8802343
Maybe I am. I just enjoy myself and my body. I don't feel shame for it either.

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Does anyone else ever get this tigly feeling in their stomach/genital area when they're arroused?

Whenever I get turned on I feel like my abdomen and the area around my genitals are really tingly and sort of just like "wanting" but I don't feel my genitals at all at the time. Just the area around them. Is this normal agp attraction?

>>8802420
Are you on HRT?

>>8802427
yes. For 6 months now I think.

>>8802420
this happens when I'm high

>>8802084
please say it again
its impossible to become a woman but any validation of my femininity feels so good

>>8802330
Ive been chronically depressed for too long so any improvement feels drastic
and I cant get over how strong the mental effects are - either I have high sensitivity to it or I had fucked up low serotonin levels and estrogen changed that, just couple days and I feel completely different. its almost surreal

>>8802607
I mean, HRT made you feel better almost immediately. A lot of other trans people said the same. Maybe our lot is actually "meant" to be on this shit?
Yeah a transwoman isn't the exact same thing as a cis woman but she's still a sort of woman, right?

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>>8802640
Maybe I'd be better of on real antidepressant meds but I want to change how I look too.
And what am if I always identified as a boy but wanted to be feminine and envied girls?

>>8802375
Some AGPs are more transvestic and judging by her pic >>8802314 imagining herself as a cis female is part of her arousal too.

>>8802745
I think wanting to have a female/male body is really the surest sign of being trans and that many of the other desires are socialized. If you're dysphoric, have yearned to be a woman for a long time and HRT made you feel better almost straight away then you're probably a woman, you know?

>>8802828
This is my plan, use diy hrt as confirmation or rebutal of self - diagnosis :)

>>8802969
Anon, HRT should be a personal choice, not "does it feel good"

You should decide if you want the changes it will cause or not, no matter how it feel

Last thread someone suggested we put together some links for /agpg/ OPs.

What are the essential resources for AGPs, both informative and sexy kinds?

>>8803265
what? isn't whether it feels good basically the choice? if it makes you feel good do it

>>8804114
https://twitter.com/BlanchardPhD

>>8800887
This that pic is pretty good desu
I approve

>>8804114
>What are the essential resources for AGPs, both informative and sexy kinds?
Due to the endless HOLY WAR between reasonable people, The Quack and his disciples you're not going to be able to get any useful links into the OP without bringing about a new ERA OF STRIFE.

>>8801537
You can take estrogen and be a man at the same time.

>>8804768
yah but she's a woman

>>8804777
No he isn't.

>>8804784
Yeah she is I got trips on that post get rekt 777 the trips of the lord

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>>8804784
sup Ray

>>8804790
But it's true.

>>8801537
It's almost like it's medicine or something lol

>>8804790
We aren't female, we are women.

https://www.reddit.com/r/become_a_chick/

nm I cant read

>>8800887
>one-pic test
What's the test? How is this supposed to test me?

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I recently learned about AGP and find it very interesting. I'm male and I like girls, but I also like cute things that are usually considered feminine, and I often fantasize about being a girl (nonsexually and sexually, with girls and boys).

If there was some kind of realistic VR-like technology to simulate the experience of being a cute girl, I would enthusiastically try it out, and if there was some kind of magical pill in real life that could turn you into a girl perfectly, I would probably use it. Hopefully in some centuries it'll be possible, but seeing girls in cute clothing or acting adorably makes me a bit sad because it's something I wish I could do but can't, except in my inner fantasies.

Sorry for the shitty blog post.

>>8800887
I'm pretty sure I'm this and not trans. I'm also pretty subby.

>>8806160
Many times is agp only coping mechanism for being trans, not necessary of course, but it is worthy of discovering about it instead of cracking later when all defense mechanisms broke down.

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Do you feel just like the Blanchard theory describes it - that you had male personality and identity but due to AGP you have developed female personality and identity that displaces your male-self?

>>8806151
That's classic AGP. Lots of posters here feel the same and this kind of post is exactly what the thread's here for.

>>8806293
I think that can happen but I don't think it necessarily does. For some of us our male and female personalities and identities are more distinct, for some they're closer to each other.

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So.... how does one deal with.... AGP?
I'll give you a quick rundown so the /lgbt/ brain trust can dianogse me since I ain't paying 200 quid for some pro-lgbt quack to say oh yes hon you're a TRUE and HONEST women.

>get jealous of other girls and want to be one
>want to be feminine, makeup look nice etc
>hate being hairy guy with facial hair etc
>don't really cross-dress because live at home
>sometimes do with what I can and look in mirror and think wow... sometimes jack off after since I feel it cures the trannyism in me and feel content for like 10 minutes then """dysphoria""" comes back, sometimes worse.
>sometimes panic and think what if I was post-op and on HRT for years and regret and think fuck trapped and can't go back but still I want it
>would be 6ft so insta-hon but have money

help, how can I cure AGP if that's what I got or am I a cursed to be a hon?

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>>8807688

>>8807715
pls anon, you only add to my confusions.

>>8807726
Ehh, I was rubing my dysphoria away for too long and cracked

>>8807715
Great, now when anybody asks what made me decide to transition I have to say "an anime caption on 4chan", thanks a lot!

>>8806151
this is me as well

>>8806293
I don't. AGP-as-in-the-fetish is real but Blanchardian AGP isn't.

>>8807688
Do you
1) Genuinely want to be a woman, including in your day to day life? (Note that this applies to your body, not necessarily to fulfilling any gender roles)
2) Experience dysphoria?

If the answer to both is yes then "congratulations" you're trans.

>>8801589
>>8804768
do they turn stupid and flamboyant?

>>8808495
is he the one who defined agp as a inner personality parasite which is different from your male personality?

>>8808876
When I imagined myself female I strangely refert to personality I have when I was 14

>>8808876
It's more complicated than that. He's the one who claims "AGP" turns you trans because you suffer from a theoretical mental illness called an Erotic Target Location Error which causes you to perceive yourself as a potential mate. Since you're attracted to women you are aroused by making yourself more womanly. This is AGP. Supposedly it makes you identify as a woman over time as you think of yourself as a woman in order to arouse yourself.

I think this is Jungesque nonsense.

Do you get the bad feeling of your body turning into mush from hrt? Especially when it's not helping you pass.

>>8808902
>I think this is Jungesque nonsense.
That kind of nonsense was important in me figuring out I was trans. I never really believed it, but on some level I felt like it was true because it validated me. "The idea of an having an anima gives me warm happy feelings. But wait, if I have an anima that means my conscious mind must be male, and that makes me feel wrong and frightened and oh God why can't I just *be* the anima".

But honestly I do feel that my AGP played a big part in creating my identity as a girl. I was never super clearly thinking of myself as a guy before my AGP/dysphoria started, but I guess I was more or less comfortable with it in the way that most cis guys are.

It's hard to say exactly what was caused by AGP and what was just dysphoria developing (especially since they both escalated at the same time), but my female identity was a lot more compartmentalised at first. It was something I felt I indulged in somewhat deliberately rather than it being a totally natural expression of myself, and something which I considered a separate part of me (something between "the girl inside of me" and a persona). Eventually it became my only identity, and I don't really know what happened to my "male" one (such as it was).

>>8808973
I think being trans is basically biological, as outlined in this series of posts
>>8808469

I think that this condition makes you feel like you're supposed to have a certain sort of body and that much of the rest is socialized. I wrote of this here:
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8792018/#q8792203

I fully believe you when you say that you feel that your female identity developed over time, as did your dysphoria. Gender Dysphoria often strikes in earnest around puberty, when boys and girls start to develop very differently. When you look like a boy and are told you're a boy it is easy to think you're really a boy even if you on some level want a slightly different body. As your body gets radically *wrong* ignoring it becomes much harder. In my view it isn't AGP that causes you to develop a female identity. It's dysphoria. As you feel more and more distanced from your male body and yearn for a female one thinking of yourself as a normal male becomes harder and harder.

What do you think?

>>8808973
>Eventually it became my only identity, and I don't really know what happened to my "male" one (such as it was).
Your male one was only a mental construct you created to protect yourself and interact with the outside world. It was never a real person you naturally were or wanted to be, just something you had to be for your own survival.

Same for >>8808885, she was truest to herself at 14 and since then has only been creating shielding, not properly changing as a person.

>>8808495
>but Blanchardian AGP isn't.
[citation needed]

>>8808902
ETLE isn't a mental illness.

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>>8809042
>[citation needed]
Criticism of the methodology employed in his studies aside, check out this post and the links within:
>>8809016

>ETLE isn't a mental illness.
See image.

>>8809064
transsexualism != ETLE

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>>8809069
He repeatedly refers to ETLEs as "developmental errors". They're conceptualized as mental disorders.

>>8809021
Thanks for interesting reply, I'm second one. One that make wondered about it is second preposition. Some said that agp steam from "emasculation anxiety", or it is all that just fear that shielding would crack?

>>8809094
developmental error != mental illness

>They're conceptualized as mental disorders.
Then why doesn't he say that?

>>8809097
>Some said that agp steam from "emasculation anxiety", or it is all that just fear that shielding would crack?
AGP stemming from "emasculation anxiety" doesn't seem to fit with what we know, but I haven't read too much of that theory. I think your second explanation is very plausible but maybe there's an alternative explanation. It's a question to think about.

>>8809106
I just heard it on 4chan. But all I know that I tried Hard af to be real man, and at the final manning up phase I got minor breakdown, which make to admit what my fantasies mean

>>8809098
What do you think a disorder is, if not an error?
I mean, Blanchard is on twitter. Why not ask him?

>>8808505
Yes
I guess, yes?
I..... don't want to be a hon tho, maybe I should just helium myself.

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Have you ever thought about revealing to your own mother about agp just so you can have a female friend?

>>8809558
Instead of helium how about estrogen?

>>8809671
better to die than to live a disgraceful humiliating life
obnoxious faggots will never know this feel

>>8809738
Giving up is the ultimate humiliation. There is nothing shameful about being your authentic self, against all odds.

>>8809761
your mental illness is not your authentic self and there is nothing to be proud about it

>>8809769
>Mental illness
Transsexuality is a sort of intersexuality.

>>8809769
Where do you get your strong sense of conviction from?
You seem pretty confident that you have all the answers.
What makes you so sure?

>>8809562
It would be pretty nice to have someone to help me with stuff like makeup, nails and hair. I don't plan on opening up to my mom, though.

>>8809835
Dunning-Kruger

>>8809835
He's a retarded high school dropout who thinks he's smarter than everyone.
Literally Dunning-Kruger: the poster tbqh.

>>8809853
yeah dunning kruger doesn't apply when i'm not trying to study the subject. It seems like it's you who is the high school dropout here.

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>>8809880
>hurrrr

you're only digging your hole deeper, sweaty

>>8808885
wew it kinda feels like that. maybe not 14 but I've definitely became more 'rugged' and emotionless in my adulthood and some of it was very deliberate depriving myself of emotions becoming cynical and trying to develop more 'manly' personalty
letting go of it felt more like myself as a teen

needless to say getting on estrogen shifted it even more

I dont feel Im a woman but clearly not man enough and it manifests both in personality and my desire for 'nicer' more fem appearance from fancey clothes to more delicate physique

>>8809562
Your mother is your friend whether or not you reveal you're AGP.

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my biggest fantasy involves me dominating another man... as a woman

>>8809915
thats kinda hot if you get a subby femboy


Im a switch so I could play either

>>8809853
Is he an established poster? How do you recognize him?

Im feeling so lonely, its worse than dysphoria
if only I could have a mate that would understand me

>>8808910
Tbh I like becoming weak and kind of tubby

>>8810154
Same T B H

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>>8809908
No she's an idiot and an annoyance and she will be even more of an annoyance after it's all out because she will despise me. But there is a small chance she will be a friend some times. It's a desperate move.

>>8810198
this app tilts the fuck out of me, turns me into a qt 9/10.

>>8809562
No
I told her i'm trans though

>>8809562
you dont have to if your mom is your 'friend'

>>8809848
Ive learned too much from my mom when I was a small kid, she wanted a daughter afterall

Is there any chance to pass if I start at 22?
Yeah, I know that this heavily depends on the person in question, but I want to know a general answer.

I still look like an underage and barely have any facial hair, if that helps. My friends did say that I have a decent chance, but I can't really trust them — perhaps they simply want to console me without realizing the terrible consequences.

>>8811494
Yes.

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Is it ever possible to pass at 6ft, even if you're not a barrell chested wide shouldered big foot? I have good proportions except my fucking height.

>>8800887
>>8802314
Do you know where I could get the swimsuit in the OP? Looks stylish and functional af

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>>8811780
Taylor Swift and Ivanka Trump are both almost 6 feet. Most models are also tall and skinny, so just lose some weight/take some HRT and you'll have a perfect body to show off.
http://www.hollywood.com/celebrities/female-celebrities-who-are-510-and-taller-60579207/#/ms-22768/1

>>8811980
the word youre trying to find here is frame

when youre 6ft you 99.9999% of the time dont have a very good frame for this

>>8811984
Yeah but I was assuming that anon had a decent frame since she said her proportions were solid.

I really want to be a girl but I don't think I could pas and am too scared to try.

What do I do? Is there even a solution?

>>8801537
>medicine appears to be working
>stop taking it
What did xe mean by this?

I want to be a woman, but I'm afraid that no man would want to be my husband because I'm obviously barren.

>>8801537
>having neurological disorder
>takes medicine
>disorder gone
>stop taking medicine
>disorder return
>complaining about disorder returning
This is something along the line of "why would I eat if I'm going to be hungry again".

>>8811780
I have failed boymode several times as a medium framed 6'1
It's possible. And frankly being tall gives you an extra bit of room because height generally implies bigger absolute size of things

>>8812050
yolo, it's only gonna get worse so might as well give hormones a shot

>>8812135
Xe is xir own worst enemy

>>8801583
Ikr its pretty much
I was hungry so I ate, but then I wasnt hungry anymore so I stopped eating, but then I got hungry again etc...

>>8812179
too scared ;_;

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>>8812335
say hello to your future

>>8812369
I'm pretty sure I'm just gonna suicide anyway

>>8812180
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>>8811780
>tfw 6 foot 7 but nice proportions otherwise even without HRT
>still got ma'am'd 4x with long hair in bun or pony tail and presenting as male
>one was a liquor store clerk who asked for my ID then selected my sex as female
>tfw would be a great mtf if I wasn't so tall

Can you be AGP and still trutrans?

When I was trying to figure out why I wanted to be a girl back when I was 11 or so I found creepy AGP hon fiction online about a mom dressing up her son as a girl or something and I think it got into my head and turned into a fetish that I had for a couple of years for that kind of stuff and trap porn.

When I actually transitioned though it went away though. Am I naturally AGP or did the hons just get to me at an impressionable age?

>>8812840
AGP IS trutrans

I really hate niggers and faggots

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>>8812838
Transition and be my qt amazon waifu.

god this pic is so gross, and my filters keep on resetting so i see it every time i open this board

>>8812840
My arousal at everything including AGP shit went away on transitioning, I don't know if my AGP was cured or if I'm just not turned on by anything now.

>>8811780
>even if you're not a barrell chested wide shouldered big foot?
stop subtweeting me

>>8812840
You can be trans, AGP, both or neither. There's this idea that repressing+attraction to women causes AGP in trans people.

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I grow out my hair to feel more girly but I'm bad at keeping it from becoming an untangled mess so it just looks and feels bad, I don't know if I should just give up and go bak to short hair.

>>8813135
How about putting some effort into taking care of it?

>>8807715
Fuck, I think this may have just convinced me to go get a gender therapist.

23 M here (wouldn't wanna live as a woman just get turned on by it, enjoy dressing up too)

Straight but often have mixed feelings of being turned on by the thought of being someone or acting like them. Rarely get turned on by non-AGP unless its with a real partner.

Victim of prone masturbation since early teens that has led to ED. Forcing myself to learn how to fap properly is hard because actively holding my penis breaks my agp fantasies.

What should I do?

Currently I'm just trying to not fap and meet women on tinder but both are hard.

>>8813185
>What should I do?
Go see a doctor. I don't think anyone here can help you with erectile dysfunction.

>>8813135
Do you ever... Comb it

>>8813189
I've seen a doctor. The cure is to stop masturbating completely for about 2 weeks and force myself to masturbate correctly so I get pleasure from its stimulation instead of what prone masturbation gave me.

Like I said thats very hard to do on top of AGP.

>>8813185
This is just wrong and i thought agp was wrong you are in another level

>>8813197
Sorry. Good luck.

>>8813213
>I'm so tired of being male
Become female?

>>8813217
There isn't a way.

I'd just be a faggy male

>>8813185
OP of above post.
Should've phrased my actual question better.

How can you get off from agp while also holding a penis in your hand?

Every time I try it breaks the fantasy.

>>8813220
Others managed to do so. Hormones change some of your secondary sex characteristics. They also change your brain. Are you sure you can't?

>>8813213
>I'm a loser working a shitty job I should have done better
Yes you should have but it's never too late to improve. There is always a chance you can climb out of that hole.

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>>8813239
tfw only 2 weeks into hrt and my body looks like that but is thinner, has smaller shoulders and is slightly more feminine

>>8813294
heh, nothin personell stinky AGP late tranny

>>8813239
I'm sorry. Maybe surgery could help?

>>8813341
You should look into what is possible and make the best of what you have. I'm sorry your life is hard but please don't give up. There's still hope.

>>8813366
Are you positive that this is one of those times, though? I don't think so.

>>8813366
I think you should strongly consider therapy.

>>8813341
Even if you can't be female, you can always have a cute feminine body through diet and exercise. Look up http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/034/948/d55.jpg (sorry, on phone)

Please don't lose hope.

>>8813239
how come you didnt lose arm muscles? did it change your face much?

>>8812156
>>takes medicine
>>disorder gone
implying just taking HRT cures dysphoria
if only

I had a dream that my mom found out I was taking hormones, felt scary but at the same time relieving

I can never come out

Ill start no fap. My behavioral autogynephillia has run rampant and my mind has crafty ways of putting me into emasculating situations and trying to feminize.

Wish me luck, and I also hope to save some money from not indulging in this anymore.

>>8813470
Protip: this has literally never worked for anyone

>>8813463
>mom actually found my hormones
>told her it was a friends and that I hate trans people
im baka

>>8813482
She knows you were lying

>>8813470
As someone who did no fap for 9 months, don't bother. As long as you keep having the shame over agp it will continue to own your life

>>8813491
probably but now I have to keep up the act for my pride

>>8813493
Just tell her. It's way easier not needing to bear the burden completely alone

>>8813238
I don't think that I could.

My biggest fear is being judged and I'd be judged by literally everyone for taking HRT/being trans (if they knew which they would eventually).


I'm terrible at socializing, so I'd just be awkward, I don't have a personality that is real , my current whatever is just a result of being depressed and wanting to be a girl but trying to ignore it and never let anyone think I'm a fag/girly for 20 years, so I'd never be able to actually feel right or seem right or any of that stuff.

It'd all be fake.

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>>8813497
If I did I would have to deal with church groups and cousins praying for me and stuff, she tells everyone everything and it'd probably just get more awkward. I want to leave this country before I do that.

>>8813500
>It'd all be fake.
By your own admission aren't you faking a persona right now? Isn't the current you fake? Transitioning would be becoming the real you.

>>8813517
It's too late for stuff like that and the time to develop into a real me would be full of me being cringe-worthy and being judged and a lot of other bad stuff.

Like I'm past the point of having a genuine or even semi-genuine childhood/teen years/young adult.

It just seems like an huge mountain that I'd never climb and I know "1 step at a time blah blah" but it's just so gross and pathetic that I'm like this and I'd hate myself every step of the way just like I hate myself now for wanting to be a girl.

I know it's all my fault because it's in my head or whatever, wanting to be a girl, being ashamed of it, etc, but I can't think of anything that's going to cause me to actually start doing something so I just complain on the internet and feel sad and waste my life.

>>8813557
just transition and never go outside

>>8813561
I still have to be around people in my family and at my job and if I go back to college, etc.

There is no escaping it and I already think I'm pathetic enough but it would make me even more disgusting if I were to do that.

>>8813557
>It's too late for stuff like that
It isn't. It is never too late to become someone else.

>I know it's all my fault
It isn't. You were born like this. This is just what you are. Society failed you.

I wish I could say something inspirational but I honestly can't. Just know that I genuinely think you can still become who you are inside and to hell with everything else. Please don't give up.

>>8813239
Tfw i look like this too after a few months of self medding. Should i just go full guy.

>>8813239
What exactly are you taking and what are your dosages?

>>8813482
exactly like when she found my weed lol
but now I live alone so I dont care about her finding pills
Im hopelessly masc and old too so I wont get feminized enough for parents to notice

>>8813470
Nofap actually makes it worse for 1-2 months. If you can wait it out you'll calm down.

>>8813654
I tried to abstain from any agp stuff and any porn and stopped coming to any trans forums for half a year
but here I am again and now Im on HRT already,
porn barely arouses me anymore but I still have these fantasies even if Im not horny

If I transition, wouldn't that make me regret my decision after the arousal is gone?
I'm pretty confident that I want to do it NOW, but what happens if I stop thinking with my dick?

>>8813685
There are people in this thread who transitioned, had their AGP go away and did not regret it.

>>8812840
>>8813087

>>8813705
>and did not regret it.
[not in citation given]

pre - hrt - nipples becoming sensitive and sometimes puffy :O

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>>8813151
>>8813192
not that anon, but my hair is alot like this girls but a bit less curly and extremely thick. Nothing works well and straightening takes hours if i bother to do it right, and can come undone if i rush just by the humidity in the air.

Halp

>>8813685
figure if you want feminization outside of any sexual context and dislike getting more masc

figure if you want to sacrifice a lot in life for it

>>8813797
SLS-free shampoos, oils and conditioning
they could become softer with lower T (funny this happened to my dad's hair)

>>8813866
>6mg
wow

>>8814137
>Whats wow about that?
Watch that photo again.

>>8813504
Oh fair enough. Didn't know she was a christtard

>>8813685
Tbh when I first started I had a few months of intense agp satisfaction. I figured I was too broken to ever get a gf so I might as well make masturbation better.
I continued because I was actually trans and so I preferred the feminization. And ngl sometimes I go back to agp, playing with my boobs, and thinking about my now small floppy dick as I masturbate.
Thought about having a trial?

>>8814333
Have been in relationship since transitioning?

>>8814349
Nope never been. I still am not full time, waiting for ffs early next year

>>8814360
sad
loneliness gets even worse than dysphoria
sometimes I think I shouldve settled for some normie woman... but then I know it never lasts and I cant pretend for too long

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Is the classic agp male homophobic and misogynistic to an extent?
What do you do if you find yourself fitting the classic agp model?

>>8813654
For me it works for atleast a month, but those trials come from vacationing with my family were I dont have much alone time and i'm doing activities and going out the day round, so it's never as tempting. I don't think it's going away to be honest, but i'm spending too much money on clothes and I need to take an AGP break.

Be agp
Have gyno
Almost came from nipple stimulation
Best arousal ever!

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>>8815600
>2 months hrt
>zero boob development

>>8815829
Sorry to hear it. I have like a cups if i wouldn't be so hairy i would tough i have klinenfelters

>>8813710
I'm >>8813087; I don't regret transitioning but do kind of miss being able to get erections and the like.

>>8815995
what else do you miss? and what do you like about transition?

So AGP is fantasising about being a woman? Or is it being a crossdresser?

>>8816090
The first which often causes people to do the second

>>8816090
AGP is the idea that crossdressers don't do it for the clothes but because the clothes serve as a mere tool to portray a woman or womanly image.

>>8809915
I want a dom trap so bad, but here most of the traps are subs

>>8811984
I'm 6'4" and I have a tiny frame

>tfw 6ft tall, size 11 shoe and 19 inch shoulder width
Why do I have to like this shit. This is all hentai's fault. That shit's a slippery slope.

>>8816090
I've been wondering this as well.
I used to think it was just getting aroused/elated by the thoughts of being perceived as being womanly and thinking/fantasising about being born/transforming into a woman but considering how many of you are also trans I guess I must have been wrong.
>>8816218
ahahaha I know this feeling though I'm 5'5.
>tfw only 'pornography' I liked for 5 years were the ranma manga's at my local library, especially the one where ranma wants to become a wife of ryoga

>>8816218
Damn, and I thought I was way too big.

Why AGP denialism is even a thing?
I mean there are lots of people who openly self-identify as AGP, so what's the big deal?

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>>8818230
cause they live as normal manly men for 30-40 years

>>8811984
I mean, I'm 5'11" and have a band size thats smaller than the smallest they offer in department stores. It's certainly possible if you have the genetics. Shoulders are shit though.

>low self esteem
>looking at girls butts on the street, being jelous
>want a cute girly face
>being almost 6'0''
>afraid to take hormones, because locals may beat and rape you if the smell faggotry in you, family will disown you, and no one will ever give you a job other than prostitution
>doesn't want breasts
>dream about painless death almost every night, but never have the guts to do it

What even do?

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I don't know what am I but I don't believe in Blanchard's pseudoscience.

>very tall buffed man
>heterosexual and when I have sex with a girl I enjoy dominating her
>during the sex I can feel her submissiveness as my own and this gets me off as well
>I enjoy the fact I am a man and I don't want to be a woman
>not attracted to men
>I shiver when I am naked and pull on kneesocks and panties both from the feeling and when I see my body in the mirror (have a slightly bigger hips than usual so in certain angles it looks feminine)
>want a dominant buffed man with no face pull the panties down to my knees and gently penetrate me in a spooning position while holding my arms and kissing me
>I'd want his penis to be completely dry without lubing it and rather fill myself with more lube beforehand so that his penis would "naturally" get wet "from my juices"
>want to pretend I am his girlfriend but only during sex and being whispered in ear "good girl" as he is penetrating me

I am confused as to what am I. These fantasies don't really interfere with my life but I am thinking of trying a gay relationship just to fulfill them but I guess no gay man would want a guy in panties who wants to pretend to be a girl during sex.

How often do you cry?

>>8819050
Lately, almost everynight

>>8818768
Self castration?

>>8818957
>I guess no gay man would want a guy in panties who wants to pretend to be a girl during sex.
Actually this is a pretty specifically common gay archetype
"sissy"

like, not even unusual

They might identify as """chasers""" but most don't lie to themselves like that

How wide (narrow) your shoulders need to be to make it at least plausible?
15 inches?

You fags need to get on my level

6'5" 185lb AGP, trapped between trying to stay slim and feminine for when I get to dress (rare b/c in college with roomates/lotsa shame), and getting ripped for boymode. Also straight with a long term GF who knows I dress and is ok with it but not into it. I feel like I can't leave the relationship because I'll never find another girl to accept me. I love her, but she's my first long term GF and I'm not sure how I'm supposed to know if she's the one.

Why this pain

>>8819323
18? that's the average for males. 17 would be optimal. Mine are 19 but for some reason my body doesn't look too manly, perhaps im simply delusional.

>>8819353
Mine are exactly 17 and that seems wide as fuck (for female at least).

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Lately i'm finding the idea of being estrogenised somewhat arousing. Am i alone in this feel?

>>8818957
nigga u AGP as fuck.

>>8819331
that doesnt sound like love, sis

>>8819358 >>8819323
depending on your hight and hips, its all about proportions

>>8819331
i am bulky man but i still crossdress for my own pleasure. just buy large size clothes.

>>8819450
lol I used to get boners while thinking about HRT or any feminisation - and that's why I woudn't start it

but then I dont depressed and jumped the bullet

why dont you guys tell first experiences as agp? it d be interesting to listen.

>>8819620
I have my first masturbation at around eleven after watching six days seven night and i imagined simmilarly, caught with hot chick somewhere only that i wasn't a guy

>>8819620
i first fapped at 13 in my sisters swimsuit.

>>8819323
>>8819358
>Male SHRs (M = 1.18 ± 0.071, range 1.03–1.40) significantly (t = 10.41, P< .01) exceeded female SHRs (M = 1.03 ± 0.066, range 0.90–1.22)
https://www2.psy.uq.edu.au/~uqbziets/Hughes2003%20-%20Shoulder%20to%20hip%20ratio.pdf

>We obtained the following mean and standard deviation (SD) values for Australian women (19–45 years old, McLennan and Podger 1998): height (163.1 +/- 5.2 cm), waist circumference (77.1 +/- 9.6 cm), hip circumference (101.0 +/- 9.3 cm), and shoulder width (43.3 +/- 2.3 cm).
http://beheco.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2009/05/21/beheco.arp051.full.pdf

don't let /bddt/ get to you

>>8819620
i liked to tie myself up at 8-9 thinking of myself as a weak submissive soft person. Of course back then i was quite soft but when i grew up a bit and started feeling attraction towards females that image of person turned into woman.

>>8819545
i'm already on skitties and all this pol talk about estrogen in water is getting me even more aroused

>>8819848
how did you manage to tie yourself?

>>8819868
i didn't do it very well, just wrap a chain or something around the limbs. I just got off to the idea mostly but i still liked how it looked.

>>8819902
never liked chains desu, but used to wrap the belt around my neck as collar sometimes.

>>8819924
hot

>>8819970
is it? i really like pet play :3

>>8819745
>43.3
What the fuck? I was pretty sure that this is an average for males.

>bioshift hard
>put an ovary in my nutsack
>skin gets softer
>shave my legs again after months of not shaving
>hair falls off like magic
>have smooth girly legs
supernatural femboy hells yes

I bought breast forms today, supposed to be D-cups, we'll see when they come in the mail. I can't wait to go girl-mode with them, they are supposed to have nipples that poke through the shirt when you don't wear a bra.

>>8821644
To hold you off until your real ones grow?

How many of you have dysphoria?
Is it common for AGP to just be a fetish with a little extra non sexual added to the mix?

>>8821376
>bioshift hard
What does this mean?

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Anyone feeling REALLY conflicting after starting HRT? This whole transition thing is definitely not for me if I think realistically. Is partial feminization even worth if I stay man-mode anyway? Will it help at all with dysphoria? Is losing testosterone benefits and becoming even less normal worth it in the end?
Will I just freak out and drop it and be left with crippled health in the end? WTF do I even accomplish with it

>>8822370
> Is partial feminization even worth if I stay man-mode anyway
Not really. What's the point of it if you don't even plan to transition?
>Will I just freak out and drop it and be left with crippled health in the end?
Most likely.

>>8822476
>What's the point
physical dysphoria and fetishism

>>8822476
Eh I'm boymoding on HRT and it's definitely easier to live this way for me
Probably depends on the person

>>8822482
Yea, I know what AGP is about.
But you'll never truly get rid of dysphoria living as a male. Maybe I'm wrong though.
>>8822486
I'm boymoding as well, but this is a temporary solution until I'll be able to move.

>>8822486
I was once thinking about this, but since, i already have gyno and a girly legs I was affraid that effects would be to quick

>>8822489
where could I move to honmode there without it negatively affecting all aspects of my life?

>>8822515
never, hon mode is suffering. unless you have money for like FFS then or you're sure you'll at least pass 8/10 times then don't do it to yourself.

anyone else experiencing dysphoria even when only having transvestic agp? seems like most only have it when they're anatomic.

>>8822694
I think when I had transvestic I didn't have dysphoria but that died a long time ago being replaced by anatomic

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>>8822694
hard to tell since I haven't cdressed much and only in private and it felt from arousing to just good, but it all comes down to my face and body - I cant look good in womens clothes
what if I was cute and could just enjoy corssdressing and be attractive to myself and others? maybe It'd be enough for me

How do even find a gf who is ok with someone like me?
Neirther lesbians date trannies nor straight girls.
I literally have no idea.

>>8823211
find other trannies to date, or just try dating apps. The second is a good way to go through a lot of people and see who's open with dating trans people

>>8823233
I was the thinking about the former, finding the idea kinda hot lately (for whatever reason), but the dating pool is exceedingly small in this case.
>dating apps
Uh. Absolutely disgusting.

>>8823238
Well yeah, dating trans people does have the difficulty of actually finding trans people.

And dating apps aren't great, but they're a good enough start. I met my current girlfriend through one, and we've been together for three years now.

>>8823233
Do transbians actually date each other?

>>8823275
Sometimes. I'd say they're more likely to be open to dating a trans girl than a cis lesbian would be.

>>8823275
seems fairly common

i want ever-growing tits and do not know where else to get pills [ progynova i heard works best ]
i tried qhi and try ran off with my money.
am in louisville KY.
27yo male/5'6/140lbs/30x30 in pants

>>8823553
was that you who ordered a bunch? maybe they got caught at customs
sorry cant help since Im buying locally, ask in mtfg or hrtgen

>>8821997

I have heavy dysphoria. My family is making me work a semi-manual labor job this week(even though they know my problem) and every moment is paranoia. I have small soft hands and I keep having visions of them turning into callous giant manhands and the labour turning me into a meathead. Its making me feel ill.

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>>8800887
Hey lads, I'm looking to indulge a bit in my AGP, but I'm only really into it as a fetish. I'm looking to do some crossplay, but the hardest thing to find tutorials on is how to do effective male to female makeup. My face is quite cute, but clearly pretty boyish. I've tried putting on aome foundation, lipstick and mascara, and I look borderline like a girl, but it isn't quite enough. I know that there are ways to use makeup to achieve this more effectively but can't find many good tutorials.

Any advice or helpful links would be appreciated.

>>8823791
Faggot, work is not going to make you masc,
your genetics does

T. Twink who works construction

>>8823883

Well obviously it will some effect, everyone I know in construction or manual labor is built up and masculine looking, although I think a lot of the ruggedness of the face comes from sunlight exposure.

>>8823791
>even though they know my problem
then why are they doing it?

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IF someone with gyno and in the middle of their BMI starts HRT at 25, how big would their tits grow?

>>8825778
Not big enough to hide your dick

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AGP here.

I've spent a lot of time thinking about why I have AGP and what to do about it. It's a complicated issue, but I think these are some of the factors:

1. porn addiction (sissy hypno, trap hentai, shemale, pov, etc)
2. pressures of being male (too short, don't have enough muscles, don't make enough money, etc)
4. alpha vs beta mindset (i'm pathetic, submissive, etc)
5. people actively promoting the idea that you can choose your gender. as a result, people like us are now unhappy because we have all these choices that are bound by time

>>8810202
for me it makes everything really blurry and makes me look like a baby instead of a girl when i use the female filter

I think I'm an agp-chaser

I think its hot as fuck that you get off on being feminine

>>8826398
Im also that there the only people more desperate than me

who /itchytinglyboobs/ here?

>>8823888
Get some proper sunscreen (spf50, uva/uvb protection) and apply every two hours.
If anybody asks say you don't want skin cancer (pretending you have a family history optional).

>>8810202
Me too, don't trust it

>>8811984
i have 17 inch shoulders at 6 ft, same as my gf (she's 5'5")
it's possible my shoulders wouldn't be a problem I think

>>8823275
Yeah it's hilarious and disgusting.
Imagine a straight person watching that scene in Transamerica.

>>8827057
Double gay

>>8826508
Is this associated with breast growth?
I've been eating a lot recently, mostly for emotional reasons and my nipples have become very itchy and have changed shape for no discernible reason.
Could I have gyno?

>>8827104
I have gyno, they are itchy sensitive and fun to play with

>>8827122
Has the pleasure changed much for you?
Right now, when I rub my nipples I can feel pleasure in my groin but no pleasure if I touch anywhere else. Is this normal for you? i.e only nipples are sexually stimulating.
Also my nipples have started feeling sore when I rub them, not sure if that's another indication.

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>you will never have a master who use your body to perpetuate his genes and lock you into the position of a mother in his society
I'm over 30, so even if I'm a fertile cis woman I missed the golden years of safely giving birth. Why am I even alive?

So, I'm pretty weird. A penny for your thoughts.

I definitely get off to Trans, traps and futa shit. And I watch a lot of het porn even though I generally identify as gay/bi-leaning because I think the role of women in porn is attractive and I desire to be in their role.

I think I generally fit into the "AGP" category of behaviour, but in all honesty, I don't think of myself as a girl when I have personal fantasies. Neither do I have a desire to be a woman in everyday life. I'm fine with being a dude. I like how I look. I have never had an instance of what other people describe as dysphoria.

So, is that AGP? I genuinely desire a submissive sexual role most of the time (I sometimes have thoughts about taking the active role even).

So I dunno, I even sometimes look at sissy shit but I'm just not completely sure I comfortably identify with this whole AGP.

>>8827287
You are a bottom faggot.

>>8827308
Is that really all? Huh. I've always had this fear that I might be really want to be a girl deep inside.

But hearing that I'm just a degen bottom fag feels good.

>>8827242
So you can write hot TG preg fiction and live vicariously through it!

>>8827287
The combination of getting off to traps and wanting the woman's role in porn sounds AGP. AGPs don't have to think of themselves as cis girls. Just wanting the female role or to be a trap can be AGP.

A gay sub might like the female role in sex but not get off to trans porn.

Not all AGPs have dysphoria (yet) or want to be female in everyday life.

>>8827327
OK that kinda scares me more. I often read controversial opinions on AGP being a "lifestyle" or whatever versus being a fetish.

What is it? And how exactly are you supposed to live with it or properly deal with it? How do some of you guys?

Like, becoming Trans being an obvious non-choice.

>>8827343
It's a sexuality. If you feel fully sexually satisfied with gay relationships where you can take the female role, then there's nothing else you need to do and it doesn't matter than you're AGP rather than gay the way normal gay bottoms are. Just living that way is properly dealing with it for you.

If you're not dysphoric and don't want to live as a woman, then there's no need to consider transition. Other AGPs who do feel those things are in different situations to you.

If you want to explore your AGP sexuality, consider things that might make you feel more feminine during sex, like crossdressing or being called female names and pronouns. Don't limit yourself to what gay bottoms traditionally like.

>>8827361
Aight, thanks for the advice. Imma reflect on this some more.

Do you think you can be a bit AGP? Or is it always an all-or-nothing kinda deal.

>>8827146
I have gyno like since forever to some degree but I was ashamed to indulge with nipps till I admited myself my feelings. And sometimes like whole body tremble <3

>>8827384
Yes I think you can be partly AGP. Conventional wisdom is that AGP and heterosexuality compete with each other. Some people seem to be much more of one than the other and some more mixed.

AGP and homosexuality is different but you can feel both AGP and attraction to men. I think it's more a case of the two "overlapping" rather than competing with each other as with attraction to women.

>>8827405
I see, makes sense. Thank. This helps.

>>8827405
>AGP and heterosexuality
Are you for real? The whole definition of AGP is that AGP are straight men.

>>8827411
You're welcome. You can always come here to share your thoughts and ask more opinions from others.

>>8827465
AGP and heterosexuality are different forms of attraction to women.

>>8827490
Yeah, they are different, but they in no way "compete".

>>8827497
Blanchard, Anne Lawrence and Kay Brown have all talked about how they compete.

>>8827465
Is it? Because then I really can't be agp. I often have Sex fantasies involving myself, my normal self, as a dude, with other men.

>>8827777
AGP is etiologically connected to heterosexuality.

AGPs can fantasize about themselves as males with other AGP elements such as submissiveness, crossdressing, being "the girl" with a man. That sounds like you.

Although maybe you aren't AGP. I can't tell for sure, but you seem very likely AGP.

>>8827242
Why define your life through a fetish?

>>8828016
I sometimes have fantasies of topping other dudes though. Not often, but it happens. I have all sorts of fantasies.

And I've definitely never thought of myself as crossdressing. Being submissive, definitely. But does wanting to get topped and doing sorts of depraved shit automatically determine AGP in males?

>>8827490
Forgot to say thanks for the offer and I will do that haha. I think I'mma stick around and get to the bottom of this.

>>8819287
I don't think any gay guy would really want this. My fantasy is that the man would treat me as his girlfriend in private, being tender and caring and I could just let go and let him dominate me like he pleases. I would insist on using "she" and "girl" and I'd always wear XXL t-shirt to emulate the "too small for boyfriend shirt", panties, and thighsocks in private as well. But I still want to be a normal guy in everyday life and the "she" and "girl" is still on a pretend basis and that makes it actually somehow more thrilling.

When I indulge in these fantasies I am either a femboy or a girl and if I actually had two buttons to decide whether I want to become one or the other in my sex life I would be hard pressed to really decide. Confusing really.

>>8828543
To add to this the fantasy is mostly about the role in sex, being submissive, smaller, weaker but the overall shape of anatomy is more girl than man. And I say girl because one of the fantasies is me being a 17 years old girl who is still a virgin but is having a foreplay with a dominant man and is soon going to be penetrated. I always orgasm right after I get to the penetration part of the fantasy.

>>8828188
Topping other dudes could be the less AGP side of your sexuality. Do you know if gay bottoms often have occasional topping fantasies like that?

AGPs don't have to like crossdressing, it's just very very common.

>But does wanting to get topped and doing sorts of depraved shit automatically determine AGP in males?
No, it's specifically identifying as feminine when you do. Identifying with the submissive role of women in heterosexual porn screams AGP. It's possible you aren't but it would be more surprising for a sub gay to identify with women that way and to also fap to traps.

>>8828677
Hmm. Well, maybe you can get a clearer picture if I provide more context. Like, I don't necessarily identify with women. It's just that gay porn usually doesn't do those kinda slutty things that often so I default to het porn.

And I also sometimes identify with the dude if it strokes my fancy, or kink, in both gay and straight porn desu.

Is it perhaps possible to say that I'm kinda AGP but also just bi/gay/straight whatever?

Is that not unheard of?

>>8829180
>Like, I don't necessarily identify with women. It's just that gay porn usually doesn't do those kinda slutty things that often so I default to het porn.
I was using "identify" broadly. You enjoy the kind of submissiveness women do in het porn, which suggests AGP even if you don't imagine being a woman. The same way crossdressing without imagining being female is still AGP. Because the picturing yourself as a woman and the crossdressing are both just big signs of AGP, not guaranteed for every AGP. Submissiveness is another big sign, although of course not just AGPs are submissive.

But let me put it this way, why is it that gay porn doesn't have the kinds of things you like? Because it's aimed at gays, not AGPs. In this respect AGP is like heterosexuality.

>Is it perhaps possible to say that I'm kinda AGP but also just bi/gay/straight whatever?
It is possible, like I said >>8827405, but we can expect signs of your AGP to be present.

Identifying with the dude in both gay and straight porn is the non-AGP side of your sexuality.

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If estrogen can give you heart attack does it mean it's a good way to commit suicide?

>>8829215
Gay porn is largely shit. Most gay dudes will agree desu. The guys are often unattractive, the way they perform gay sex is not actually how most gay sex works, and this might sound weird but the actors often do suck (as in, they don't look like they are enjoying themselves, more often than not because they're just straight dudes in it for the money).

Obviously het porn has these issues too, but there's just so much more to choose from and even the amateur stuff is great. But then again, gay amateur porn is great too.

But then again professional het porn also has a lot of fetish exploration and bdsm stuff. Gay porn doesn't really have that, and the quality of amateur stuff is so lacking that it's hard to get off to it.

I feel weird for talking about my opinion of porn, so I apologize if this isn't the place to go so into detail, but I just wanted to answer the question.

I'm also just not sure if I'm completely comfortable with the idea of being agp. I guess the concept of it kind of scares me. It makes me feel like I can't be sexually attracted to other people for them because there's always some part of me that's just in it to fulfill this abstract facet of my sexuality.

Hope I'm making sense here. And thanks for hearing me out so diligently. I've never really talked about this or properly formulated these thoughts in my head, so if there are holes or leaps in logic, totally my bad.

>>8800887
How the fuck did this thread get bumped after reaching the bump limit?

How do women embrace or deal with being talk down to?

>>8829548
If you only like het porn because of things unrelated to the fact the sub is a woman, then it's less of a sign you're AGP. But there's still the traps, which is a common sexual preference for AGPs, and sissy material.

Can you describe what makes submission enjoyable for you? And describe your sexual attraction to men and to women?

Talking about porn is fine!

>It makes me feel like I can't be sexually attracted to other people for them because there's always some part of me that's just in it to fulfill this abstract facet of my sexuality.
Sexual attraction is always to fulfill an aspect of your sexuality. People always make a big deal of this part of AGP but really it's just a different kind of sexuality and if it leads you t enjoying sex, it's no different to any other kind in that respect. It doesn't make your relationship invalid or untrue.

And you're welcome. This general is for formulating AGP thoughts like this.

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Everyday there is something new in this faggot community. AGP seems like a kind of roleplay.

>>8830406
It's actually the only theory that explains transsexualism well other than muh feels

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