/agpg/ - Autogynephilia General

anyone ever dated or met up or had an one night stand or something with another AGP? what did you do together? did you have fun?

>tfw you regularly masturbate to shit like this but better written
>tfw you still cringe at the OP
help

Question about sexual fantasies for dysphoric AGPs

http://www.strawpoll.me/13736596

To clarify option 2 was supposed to mean you used to do it at least semi-regularly, if you only did it once or twice and stopped you choose option 1

>>8742207
What if I fantasized about it, as far as I can recall, literally once?

>>8742258
Option 1, that's basically what I had in mind, popped into your heard once or twice but never stuck

>>8742167
Re-write!

>>8742207
I may have had fantasies about it long ago or very rarely but I don't remember. I guess I did.

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i love all her reactions

>>8742207
I intentionally refuse to take these and use false answers when I do because survey anon is a kook :)

>>8742397
I'm not survey anon

>>8742400
Says you. Enjoy noise in your perfect correalshuns.

So, how many agp's on hrt here?

anyone not interested much in a female body? im only into clothing and behavioral AGP.

>>8742647
I dunno how much I still consider myself AGP but I did and I don't regret it
Still not out socially despite coming up on 11 months, I know I won't pass but I'm gonna start trying when I go back to school this september

On the bright side after starting HRT my sex drive is WAY down, and it feels really good not having to deal with it. Plus, I can masturbate to the idea of being with a guy without having to feel weird about it. Don't really feel aroused by the idea of just having a female body anymore.

Given how going deep into this type of thinking will make you feel alienated to the hetrosexual majority who are comfortable with their gender. I really want to ask why you people would gather around and encourage each other. What I'm also asking is this condition something that cannot be reversed like homosexuality or certain forms of trannyism.

I'm a new girl here, is it ok to ask questions about transitioning?

>>8743166
Discouraging your AGP is like a gay person trying to make themselves straight and refusing to think gay thoughts. I want to encourage my AGP!

I don't think it can be reversed, just managed and handled.

>>8743191
>new girl
You are not and will never be a girl.
Transition is suicide. Save yourself.

>>8743191
Yes!

Don't listed to the TERF and/or /pol/fag and/or curehon >>8743195

>>8743195
Care to elaborate? I get it this is 4chan, I'm just looking for some resources to get started.

>>8743211
Thank you, I'm just looking for some basic advice. Right now I'm in the process of trying weight loss as a first step, no exercise. I'm looking into making an informed decision on casts and corsets.

>>8743211
>>8743194
Daily reminder Anne Lawrence classifies AGP as a mental disorder and pathological.


>In my opinion, interference with interpersonal intimacy during sex constitutes one of the strongest bases for considering clinically significant autogynephilia to be a genuine mental disorder.

Men Trapped in Men's Bodies, pg 61

>I would argue that, from a psychotherapeutic perspective, validation of a client’s experience of psychopathology (and addressing associated issues of shame and stigma) is ultimately a more powerful and effective intervention than attempting to “depathologize” a condition that is genuinely pathological.

pg 62

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>>8743191
>new girl
But are you agp tho?

Anyway most of us are transitioning or planning to, you can ask us whatever you want ^_^ and don't listen to trolls like the other anon said

>>8742647
Me
Coming up on 1.75y
Scheduled for ffs and srs too

>>8743565
>most of us are transitioning or planning to
we are?!

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>>8743598
Most, not all

You're not taking dem skittles yet, anon? :')

>>8743263
>validation of a client’s experience of psychopathology (and addressing associated issues of shame and stigma) is ultimately a more powerful and effective intervention
This is why transition helps dysphoric people.

>>8743565
Thanks, I think of myself as a girl, I don't care much what others call me. I am AGP but I do aim to live as a female 24/7 and I'm mostly interested in boys.

>>8743845
Blanchard agenda doesn't want to admit that. They want to put words in the researcher's own mouth and call it a sexuality that shouldn't ever be treated, in complete disregard of the name. Alt knowledge wizardry at its finest.

>>8742207

I'd fap to girls, but more often then not just picturing them in my head, not picturing myself doing things to them(Sometimes light stuff like kissing/touching, but even that was probably less than 50%).

AGP fantasy's were similar too for most of my life. Just picture myself as a chick and fap.

I guess that kinda changed when I realized the obvious embarrassingly late. I didn't fantasize or attempt to fuck women, because I didn't want to fuck them. I never even considered men because I didn't want to fuck them either. But what if...someone were to fuck me instead? Then fantasy's got more interactive. Although that also made the agp spiral out of control since I'd embraced the femininity emotionally and it wasn't just 'If I put on a dress that'd be hot'.

>>8743263
Which is why she advocates that such people transition. I mean, I don't like her and AGP as a cause of transsexuality is bunk but you're quoting someone who is herself trans and thinks trans people should transition.

>>8743565
>Anyway most of us are transitioning or planning to
WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN
am I alone in being a failure now

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>>8741900
>take a nap
>end up sleeping for 20 hours
>end up missing 2 HRT does

rip

>>8744882
Maybe submissive stuff with guys will still be hot?

>>8741900
I don't feel like I belong anywhere. Not fetishy and kawaii enough to qualify as AGP but not vapid and horny enough to be HSTS. It's all a meme anyways but fuck it's nice to have a sense of belonging. I still cling to AGP because it ruined my life. Being 'tranny' is no way to live either and cannot be explained to normies. I don't 'want' to be female. I just feel better believing my thoughts and emotions are from a feminine perspective, and I have an appearance deficit. This does not compute medically. Also once you bring up 'wanting to be female ' you have to define what female even means and have your definitions tore down by your accuser. I'm in a constant state of terror with no way out.

>>8744940
>This does not compute medically
Have you read any of the material that gets posted around here about how transsexuality is a sort of intersexuality?

>>8744940
>I still cling to AGP because it ruined my life.
how?

>I just feel better believing my thoughts and emotions are from a feminine perspective, and I have an appearance deficit.
what's the real difference? it's just semantics either way.

>and have your definitions tore down by your accuser. I'm in a constant state of terror with no way out.
fuck them!

>>8744565
Odd that all the people formally involved with the typology on a research level support AGPs transitioning but all the bitter 4chaners stealing their work and attempt to redefine it in a "new and esoteric" framework don't.

It's almost like they're reading what they want to read into it.

>>8743263
>>In my opinion, interference with interpersonal intimacy during sex constitutes one of the strongest bases for considering clinically significant autogynephilia to be a genuine mental disorder.
That also applies to homosexuality and basically any unusual sexual interest

>>8744959
>all the bitter 4chaners stealing their work and attempt to redefine it in a "new and esoteric" framework don't.
[citation needed]

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>>8742207
fuck this shit

>decide to fap to some nice hetero porn
>automatically selfinsert as the chick
>wait, it's wrong, Im a man
>try to imagine myself as the man fucking the chick
>lose arousal
>wtf... ugh maybe Im just too tired
>switch back to imaging being the girl
>arousal spikes... oh no
>feels bad, completely lose desire to fap

>>8745068
>feels bad,
but why?

>>8744201
>Blanchard agenda doesn't want to admit that.
But Anne Lawrence just said it.

>>8745068
I wouldn't even count it as occasionally if you have to force yourself into it

>>8745215
She didn't even manage to force herself into it.

We need a better name for AGP than AGP.

>>8745511
I agree but a lot of people here actually do believe the typology wholesale and think the name is appropriate. They used to be rarer but now I think they're the majority. People who think otherwise mostly move on to another general.

>>8745526
The typology describes my sexuality so I believe it to be correct, but the name is really offputtin. The "philia" part especially. We need a better handle if we're ever going to be recognise as a legitimate sexuality/lifestyle choice/ethnostate.

>>8741900
If you diy, will therapists and doctors give you a hard time getting a real prescription if you ever want to?

I'm really looking to use diy for something in the interim, but I'd like to get a legit prescription at some point.

>>8745511
Crossdreaming?

>>8745557
>"philia"
Lesbians and straight males have gynephilia.

>>8745570
Yes but on the whole they don't go around describing themselves as gynephiles. Greek suffixes pathologise.

>>8745564
I suggest that you ask in trans help gen and mtfg

>>8744876
literally non issue

>>8745564
Depends where you live, some will prescribe easier so you don't hurt yourself with shitty doses and some will take it as a sign of mental instability and gatekeep you

AGP is something that I could use when I was 12-15 years old. It would let me be girly-girl without subscribing to the whole tranny meme.

But since AGP was not a thing. I was in repression mode in my best years. Thankfully I pass now and live as a normal woman.

>>8745646
+ also heard of shrinks in countries with gatekeeperish laws actually encourage selfmedding, so it all depends really

>straight view homos as disgusting
>homos do the same with trans
>trans the same with AGP

>>8745675
>But since AGP was not a thing. I was in repression mode in my best years.
But AGP is a thing?

>>8741900
Is there any more of the pic?

>>8744940
Seems like you need hrt baby girl

>>8745772
I wasn't in the 80s and eastern europe. The closest thing was transvestite and who want to be that.

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fellow AGPs, who are you transitioning into? I'm a round of breast augmentation and pink hair dye from my goal.

>>8745613
Yeah, everyone has hormone spikes and lows themselves, complaining is fun!

>>8745072
because I can never have a normal relationship with a woman, because it leaves me forever alone

>>8745258
sorry Im not 'she' Im a man

>>8745713
Well we regard straights as disgusting. It's the circle of life, baby.

>>8744568
Hurry up anonette! Don't get left behind!

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>>8744568
no, you are not alone

>>8745068
Just own it. Fap to what you wanna fap to, it's not wrong

What animu? Looks almost like NHK but I'm pretty sure it's not

>>8746249
>Implying I wouldn't become the LORD OF ALL HONS due to wide shoulders, square jaw, balding etc etc
I'm glad more of you are transitioning though I guess. I've been here for a long fucking time so this is new.

>>8746265
relatable tbqh fampai

>>8746294
Wide by normal standards or /bdd/ standards?
FFS
HRT+hair transplant

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>tfw never gonna be happy with a woman due to dysphoria
>tfw have to settle for feminine men

>>8742207
I literally never fapped to the idea of penetrating a woman (or man). I always fantasized about being the girl/trap.

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>>8746392

>>8746336
Normie standards. Older women constantly compliment me for my "strapping shoulders". I'm 1.93 meters tall. I'm barrel-chested due to flared ribs. My jaw is square and wide. Were it not for my fucked up skin diseases I'd be quite the man.

>>8746384
The ride never ends.

Is it possible to be AGP but not quite trans?

>>8746435
Yes, though a bunch of people insist otherwise. If you just get turned off by this stuff but don't want to be a woman for real and don't experience dysphoria then you're just AGP but not trans.

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>>8746384

>>8744957
AGP ruined my life by not mentioning it could be related to dysphoria. At 13 I felt like a pedophile. Maybe I could have told someone or seen a therapist. All I heard about it was the self-insertion. I looked into it because the hottest thing to me was having breasts and a vagina and having female orgasms. This got to a point it seriously worried me. I didn't even care about forced fem or crossdressing. I just wanted in a non-obvious way to be treated like a lady. I still get this feeling of uncleanliness so bad it feels like I'm drenched in shit. I wish I never heard of AGP.

>>8745564

If you live in the US, it will just make them give you a prescription faster. It cuts all the chitchat.

>>8745583

Better to keep the philia then turn autogynephilia into some Greek and Latin monstrosity like homosexual.

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>>8746432
>>8746453
Let me share my tale with you:
>be teenager me
>try to fap for the first time
>think about fucking a girl
>itsnotveryeffective.gif
>try again, this time thinking that I am some booth babe I saw in a gaming magazine
>diamonds
>cum for the first time
>try to fap later while looking at the pic of a vagina, but with no effect
>start to fap to gender bender hentai and sissy hypnosis
>eventually starts thinking about sucking dick
>be today me, 26
>virgin, never fapped to a vagina, only sissy hypno and gender bender hentai
>when fapping to the picture of a real woman, think about being her instead of fucking her
So... there's no hope, right? It'll never go away... right?

>>8746432
Have you considered taking hrt and not transitioning?

>>8746493
Can you please answer
>>8744954
?

>>8746547
I'm also 26 and have had AGP fantasies ever since I was a kid.
No, it won't go away by itself. Reportedly transitioning often makes AGP go away after long enough :^)

>>8746557
I have, but I'm afraid of growing breasts and having to hide them forever. I don't know if this is bullshit but I've also heard that you can't take AAs forever without damaging your liver so getting an orchiectomy is an eventuality. That also kind of scares me. It's not like I'm especially attached to having balls, yes? but the thought of committing to this forever is scary. I'm too embarrassed to go through therapy and self-medding is also scary.

tl;dr among my other faults I'm also a coward.

>>8746378

For me, it's:

>tfw never going to be happy with a woman due to dysphoria
>tfw never going to find a genuinely straight man who loves me
>tfw incel for life

>>8746399

What's that mean?

>>8746547

>try again, this time thinking that I am some booth babe I saw in a gaming magazine

I remember when I was a preteen or early teen and I was touching myself (I didn't fap back then, just touched my dick enough to get and keep it hard) to a picture of some Latinas in a bikini contest or something. I don't think I wanted to be them or fuck them, but their bodies aroused me.

>>8746547
gay af

>>8746278
>NHK
it is and the shirt says 'dick' in russian (which is typically used as generic swear like 'fuck' in english)

>>8746666
If you were sure you could pass would you transition?

>>8746807
Yes. I used to have doubts about my legitimacy but at this point.. yes.

>>8742207
>wonder my whole life why I see no appeal in sex
>realize that I only want to have sex as a woman
anyone else feel this? I started to think I was asexual or something when I was in highschool.

>>8746818
In that case I would strongly suggest you consider at least taking an AA. Add the raloxifene femboy treatment if you're afraid of tits. You're probably not going to suddenly wish you were more and more manly as you age, and in your mid 20s you're about to hit peak masculinization.
At the very least I would say don't just consider but absolutely take finasteride or dutasteride to avoid any more balding.

Does being AGP necessarily mean being a sub? Do you like imagining yourself as a dominatrix?
Also, essential AGP literature, music, movies?

>>8746951
>Does being AGP necessarily mean being a sub?

Yes.
They are too lazy to be dominant.
They want somebody else to do all the work while they fap and play vidya.

>>8746951
for most being a sub makes them feel more feminine
>>8746966
why are you here

>>8746951
>>8746966
Am dominant AGP who force-feminizes other AGPs (is it really forced in such a case? Or is it just urging someone out of the closet?)

It's been an interesting life.

>>8746951
I'm a sub in probably 95% of my fantasies but I do have some dom ones. I'm just not the sexual object in them. Those are the ones in which I feminize others.

>>8746951
>essential AGP literature
fictionmania

>>8746872
Thank you for trying to help, from all of my heart, but if I am to be honest I'm probably not going to listen to you. I just feel like I'm completely beyond hope. Please do keep helping others though. You're bound to get through to some people.

>>8747060
How do I find the best stories there?

Like, it has categories and stuff, so it's better than nifty, but no popularity/rating thing.

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>>8745831
Which europe?

>>8746951
>Also, essential AGP literature, music, movies?
Genderbending chinese cartoons

>>8746830
Sounds like standard trans

>>8747085
So you've accepted either killing yourself or future hondom?

>>8747335
- some authors are known for producing certain stories
- you can read reviews of the story
- you can read the summary of it
Some other people you can ask for recommendations are in /d/, in the TG/TF threads. I think overall it's pretty subjective, what you like will depend on your tastes anyway, and you can filter obvious things you don't want quite well

>>8747429
I'm gambling on only being cripplingly sad a quarter of the time until I die haha
ha

>>8747827
Listen I won't berate you for not taking aa but don't be a fucking retard and at least get on Finasteride
You can still do that and pretend to be cis forever

>>8747905
That's just for balding, right? I think my hairline's so far back that it won't do much good now but I'll look into it. For what it's worth you've made me consider HRT more seriously. Maybe I'll break down some day, though hondom awaits whether I do this now or much later. Thanks either way.

>>8748020
It's not just balding, could improve your skin and body hair too

>>8746979
greentext

>>8747335
>>8747707
we can make a recommendation thread here

>>8746493
>AGP ruined my life by not mentioning it could be related to dysphoria.
It wasn't AGP who didn't mention dysphoria.

>>8748020
Primarily for balding but it does inhibit dht which is imo the shittier male hormone. Even if your hairline has receded Finasteride will prevent it from getting any worse, and you're likely to see at least some regrowth.
I just fear that you're either going to have to face this again in the future when it's even worse for you or suicide. And you don't deserve that

>>8748777
Question here, could I get by on just Finasteride at whatever dose balding men use, tofu suplements and whatever hormones I get from using a breast pump? Other than ffs I think I could get away with just exercise for everything else.

>>8748873
What do you mean by get by? Beyond prevention of balding by the fin (1mg per day or 1/4 of a 5mg to save money) I'm afraid I don't think tofu/soy or breast pumps will do much of anything

>>8748913
I don't want to do HRT I was thinking of Finasteride as a mild antiandrogen, then do the rest sort of "natural" (yes I am a fucking hippie that way) I'm also worried about loss of sexual fucntion as I wouldn't be going all the way.

>>8749031
As long as you take fin you'd be better off. Most likely soy and breast pumps won't do much of anything
Do you have a gf/bf?

>>8749052
No, I'm saving myself for sucking as much dick as I can

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>>8749136
I'm so sorry, I shouldn't have written that

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>>8741900
>using aikatsu for your sick fetish propaganda

>>8749136
>>8749199
What did she mean by this

>>8748873
Hey Anon at least clarify that you're not me before going on about saving yourself for dick..

>>8743263
daily reminder that Anne Lawrence is a retard and literally nobody in the medical community cares about Blanchard or his bullshit typology

>>8751007
now now almost literally no one does that's very difference

Any guide on how to get a fuller butt, preferably without supplements?

>>8751434
Squatz+oatz faget

>>8747060
Have any of you tried reading romance novels with female protagonist? I find the idea hot but not sure where to start. Any suggestions?

>>8752976
50 shades

>>8752976
Maybe read some classic like I don't know, Jane Eyre

>>8753224
Justine

Was anyone else very sexual as a child?

I was never abused but I remember having super intense masochistic fantasies as young as I can remember like atleast 6 years old or around then I don't remember the exact age... I had fantasies about being turned into a girl and or having my genitals cut off by accident. Although I ended becoming interested in them in a non sexual way, I still don't know what exactly to make of it.

>>8754094
I definitely had fantasies I could later recognize as forced fem even as a small child but they never involved anything directly sexual.
https://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8167536/#q8173059

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>>8754094
I've been serious bondage fetishist at that age, would use every belt I could find and jumpropes to tie myself in front of a mirror, this sounds a bit ridiculous even to myself
had all sorts of dom/sub fantasies but not much of feminization-related
I dont know why either

now I need to imagine being a woman, but I just cant let myself indulge because it only makes me dysphoric

>>8754555
right I mean it was never explicitly sexual like no penetration etc

but it gave me this weird sensation where your diaphragm kind of locks up that I think is of sexual pleasure

anyone have any origin stories or ideas about? i think my AGP partially comes from a teacher who disliked me getting me to wear girls clothes twice in acting activities and the feeling of humiliation stuck i guess. i would've been 8 or 9 at the time

>>8741900

Did anyone on this board transition from mtf because of the fetish? Is this a smart thing to do?

>>8756035
>this weird sensation where your diaphragm kind of locks up that I think is of sexual pleasure
It can also be just anxiety or embarrassment, it's a general excitement/arousal sensation

I get what you mean tho, I had semi-sexual fantasies as a kid too and I remember getting butterflies in my stomach and stuff

>be horny
>fap while thinking about transitioning
>cum
>feel utmost shame

S-should I do it

>>8756062
Personally, if you only have the fetish but have absolutely no dysphoria, I don't see why you would transition. Seems crazy to me. It's like those fat fetishists who gain weight because it turns them.

>>8756062
nah, better to end it

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I want to be a girl so bad but it'll never happen. And I'm not a guy but I can't be a girl so I'm not even a real person.

I just want to die and people like my parents care more about my life than I do. I wish I'd have an accident or something or have someone just shoot me.

>>8756582
same, lets kill eachother
I ve nothing to live for

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>tfw you bully your gp into giving you 8mg estradiol and gnrh

>>8756941
>tfw you are nazi frogposter fetishist coopting trans identity

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>>8756947
>tfw you don't give a fuck about what bitter TERFs think

>>8756582
You are a guy. Most normal hetero guys' sexual (I assume that's why you're here) experiences don't live up to their fantasies, and guys with AGP are no different. We have to learn to enjoy the imperfection of being a guy with a girly side.

prime fetishism here m8

>tfw trying on silicone inserts for bra and panties for the first time
Holy shit
No going back to just being a boy now

>>8757001
but Im FERT


>>8757141
haha eah, enjoy being even more dysphoric now

>>8757068
Clearly she isn't a guy though

>>8756037
I think most of us don't have origins we know of. Maybe they are just forgotten?

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>>8756037
from my mom

>tfw in an alternate timeline i discovered /lgbt/ at 13 and found out about ago and became a qt early transitioning agpgirl

>>8759289
do you rally think you would/could do that if you knew at 13?

>>8759310
actually no i probably wouldve been too much of a coward to come out just like irl and waited until i could take hormones without anyone knowing
b-but it's nice to dream
;_;

>>8759289
If /lgbt/ existed when you were 13 you are an early transitioner you ungrateful shit

>>8759336
I knew about me having "gender dysphoria" at 14 years of age. I'm over 20 years of age now, and I still won't trap myself.

Transition has no long-term proven benefits.
Seriously, don't trap yourself.

It gets better, I've been on nofap for quite a long time now and I'm feeling on top of the world.

>>8760445
Not that poster; I just wish the "cis people don't sit around wishing they were trans" discourse existed when I was 18.

>>8760462
Why didn't it?

what do you folks think of sissifying erohypno?

>>8760626
That it's so weird I've never tried it considering how much transformation and mind control porn I read

Then again maybe the reason is I don't want to self insert as a biologically male character.

>>8760528
It's forbidden to be underage on 4chan

>>8760767
No, I mean what stopped that discourse existing back when you were 18?

>>8760796
not that anon but for me 420chan was pretty agp negative in 2010 so I repressed for 6 more years lol

>>8760816
I wonder why /cd/ was so bad but /tttt/ is so different.

>>8760796
How the fuck should I know?

>>8760796
I was implying that since you find it so weird you're underage, because shit was WAY different even five years ago

>>8757068
Guys don't experience gender dysphoria..

Listen ya'll lovely but is there any community that both accepts AGP in the way the scientific community accepts it (i.e. yes it does have a correlation with being a late onset dysphoric no there is no proof it makes you trans or that it is an ETLE)? I feel like I'm stuck with either AGP denialists or Blanchard worshipers.

>>8761624
I don't recommend it but
http://www.crossdreamers.com/

>>8761722
oh no
the monkey paw is at work again

I feel like I'm developing a pretty strong romantic crush on one of my guy friends, but as an AGP I know I'm not sexually into him and at best all I could feel would be meta-attraction. Feels fucking shit and makes me wish I could just be full-blown gay so that I could have a chance at a proper relationship with dudes, or anyone for that matter.

>>8762559
>I feel like I'm developing a pretty strong romantic crush on one of my guy friends, but as an AGP I know I'm not sexually into him and at best all I could feel would be meta-attraction.
STOP
THIS IS FUCKED UP
YES YOU CAN BE ATTRACTED TO OTHER PEOPLE

>>8762950
Problem ain't that I'm attracted to other people. Problem is that I'm not physically/sexually attracted to men at all, except for in agp fantasies where I'm a girl/girly dude being fucked by some faceless guy and the focus is entirely on myself, ie: meta-attraction.

Inversely, while I AM sexually/physically attracted to females it's only in the context of having a female body myself, not touching or having sex with one. The mental image of sticking my dick in a woman's vagina makes me want to gag quite frankly. As such I couldn't have a proper relationship with a woman either unless they were asexual or something.

>>8762559
>implying meta-attraction isn't the best foundation for a romantic relationship

>>8763007
You could become a woman yourself..

>>8763007
>agp fantasies where I'm a girl/girly dude being fucked by some faceless guy and the focus is entirely on myself
wait. so you think others' fantasies never include themselves? that women (and men) everywhere don't imagine themselves as the recipients when they watch porn or read erotica? and because you think about yourself in these fantasies, this makes you unable to be attracted to people?
meta-attraction is the most incomprehensible meme in blanchard autism, I swear.

>>8745835
So you're just a fat person right now?

>>8763077
why do you come to our thread to delegitimize us?

>>8762559
>>8763007

If it helps, I fell for the meta attraction meme and it turns out fap to something enough and you'll start to actually like it. The agp aspect is still there, but it's not JUST about me anymore.

And my neet ass can only speculate, but I imagine ACTUALLY being with someone you like would be even more effective. So try that.

Could the desire to feel girly and be feminine be satisfied with only crossdressing? Transitioning isn't an available option for me, and even if it was on the table, I'm 95% sure I'm already too old to be successful at it.

>>8764958
I expect so, for some AGPs. Well, that and roleplaying as a girl in the bedroom with your boyfriend.

>>8757141
Setting aside the depression and the dilemma fr9m agp for a moment, do you guys think agp has introduced you to some nice aspects about the other gender?

>tfw go to a sissy only community to feel the joyous aspects of the fetish, without being brought down by the existential aspects of it
>Everybody pretty much talks like cis females, sympathetic and engaging.
>tfw cannot bring myself to be like them at all. Comments are always bluntly sarcastic. Cannot think and express beyond the negative aspects of what is being discussed. Always sound like I'm making fun of somebody.
>Get expelled

>>8766061
Its okay friend, youre welcome anyway, it's the thought that counts <3

i am only exclusively AGP if it involves humilliation and emasculation, it can never work otherwise. I feel like im in the minority here in this gen, am i the only one that feels this way?

>>8756037
can you give us a greentext rundown of your experience with that teacher? it's good fap material.

How to stop AGP from taking over one's life? It's almost all I think about on the daily.

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>>8766256
do you really think you're the first person to type that?

>>8766295
no, of course not, but someone has to remind you delusional autists

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>>8766373
no, we are reminded every time we look in the mirror.
you should probably devote your life to something more worthwhile.

>>8759310
>tfw discovered Susan's place at 13
>tfw they advised me not to go on HRT
>tfw mom didn't let me go to a doctor until I was 16 and I didn't start HRT until I was 18

Everytime I read a "if you could go back in time" thread...

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>>8766474

I know that feel, anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsKbwR7WXN4

>>8766256
>everyone sees you for the freaks you are :)

Jokes on you, everybody sees me as a shy cis guy. Just because you have a sexual fantasy, doesn't mean you're required to act on it.

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>>8766474
>start HRT at 18
that is (was) legal age in most countries and you've still got it much better than most agps that dont know whats up till much later

>>8760462
Im still not trans yet not normal enough to have normal life and relationships

>>8766061
4ch makes you develop some shitty conversational habits that sensitive people wont tolerate

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>>8766777
>people hate me because 4chin

girl, take some responsibility for your actions

>>8763007
yeah, kills any relationship
and dont crush on your straight friends, its nothing but embarrassment and suffering and will taint and ruin your friendship

>>8764535
as Iv wrote few days ago - I completely lose interest if I imagine/selfinsert as a man fucking a woman, I dont find it repulsive but its a turn off and I couldn't watch straight porn at all (because internalized homophobia lol)

>>8766864
as if I needed an example of typical shitty conversational habits

>>8766241
Pretty much. The least humiliating/emasculating I can get off to is being an extremely submissive girl.

Is there a way for me to ever be ok with being agp? I'm transitioned and I have a boyfriend and he's so phenomenal, he makes me so happy. He knows exactly how to press my buttons and make my body tingle, but I can't come to accept that agp is the source of all of my feelings. It makes me feel dirty and suicidal. Every time I think about it I just slip into a deep deep depression. I'm just not ok with it and I don't think I can be. But being treasured by my boyfriend and treated like his princess makes me happier than anything else in the world. It's tearing me apart and I'm not sure I even want to live if this is my lot in life.

>>8766256
I want to kill myself... actually I tried to kill myself a few days ago. My boyfired was really worried about me. I feel like I made him feel bad and that only makes me want to die more. I promised him I wouldn't do anything like that ever again but when I think of things like this, it's all true. I shouldn't be alive at all. None of us should. I really just feel so bad. I wish I could just drop dead right now.

Any diy hrt taking agps also suffering from chronic ulcers?

>>8769564
>Is there a way for me to ever be ok with being agp?
For me there was. I don't know about you.

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>>8759289
same, I erp'd as girl ever since I was 11 or 12, I even used to eat my semen imagining im a woman, and yet I knew nothing of AGP and transgenderism and thought it's just a straight fetish

Can one get rid of agp? I can't get aroused anymore without it.

>>8746795
>which is typically used as generic swear like 'fuck' in englis
No It's not.

>>8769564
>but I can't come to accept that agp is the source of all of my feeling
Because it isn't and there's no fucking proof it is. Blanchard and his hoodlum friends are an irrelevant minority. You're just trans and AGP on top of that.

>>8769564
Double-posting but fuck things like this make me so goddamn mad.. pushing your meme theory, supported by practically no one nowadays, is NOT harmless. It has very real victims! Please think about what you're doing.

>>8771027
Denying Blanchardianism has real victims.

>>8771036
Yeah all of those poor happy transwomen who are not suicidal. Dog help them.

>>8771049
Are you really saying knowledge of Blanchardianism only ever makes people less happy or more suicidal, never anything positive?

>>8771268

It's sad that some people are convinced the truth will hurt them.

>>8771268
I'm saying falsehoods hurt people by misleading them, especially when they mislead them about their very nature.

>>8771278
Very.

>>8771320
No no, you specifically said Blanchardianism stopped transwomen being happy and led them to become suicidal. That's not something you'd say of any "falsehood", it's a specific attack on Blanchardianism, and no part of that attack relates to Blanchardianism being as you claim false.

>>8771371
Blanchardianism (which sounds like a fucking religion because it is one) is exactly the short of harmful falsehood I'm talking about.

>>8771405
>no part of that attack relates to Blanchardianism being as you claim false.

I faped once to a nude of myself (tranny btw), felt great, both physicaly and mentaly, kinda empowering.

>>8770517
хyй

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Any more pics like op ?

>>8745785
>>8771872
reverse search it, it's from a deviantart with two more in the series and a bunch of unconnected similar ones.

If all I want is my skin to be smoother and penis to be smaller am I still suffering from AGP?

>>8772430
>suffering
>from AGP
What did she mean by this?

>>8771872
/d/ has threads of them

>>8741900
what's "NB" stand for? :c

>>8777677
enby
nonbinary
memes

>>8777677
Nonnon Biyori

>>8743263

Why the fuck would anyone pay attention to someone who "identifies as" pathologically disordered?

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>>8766864
you're pretty much fucked when even fetishist sissies won't accept you as one of them

Is it possible to conserve penis size/function on HRT or should i just detransition

>>8779608
why do you care? do you really want to fuck someone that badly? if your partner can accept your transition surely they can also accept not getting fucked by you

>>8779631
maybe.... they wanna transition but also keep a functioning dick? >.>

>>8779951
Yeah, not trying to make anyone happy just would rather have a functioning dick than boobs. I havent lost any dick size yet but my sex drive is significantly less and erections are a little painful at first.

Maybe i could take a less strong AA?

>>8779631
What do you think neovaginas are made out of, fairy dust?

>>8780063
No but lil fem dicks are cute

>>8746378
>>tfw never gonna be happy with a woman due to dysphoria
>>tfw have to settle for feminine men

Wtf thats like complaining that you dine on wagyu and bathe in a platinum bathtub, but you're bitching that you have to give up pizza rolls.

Femboys and traps are the gods' greatest gift to man. Women are shit, anon.

so... is this a thing? eating estrogen growing boobs and everything but keeping dick as it is?
like have it able to get hard at least?
or like is gonna fully get limp for good?

I'm not sure if I'm depressed because I want to be a woman, or that depression has lead me to want to become a woman. The latter is AGP right?

>>8780086
>hurrdurr have an asexual relationship for my fetish

dickchickfags at their toppest sperg

>>8782281
>The latter is AGP right?
No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCfodYf9xX4

>>8782337
>>hurrdurr have an asexual relationship for my fetish

Ok, but have you considered that vaginas are gross and neovaginas have cooties?

Also I can't speak for anyone else but I'm bi and a not insignificant portion of the appeal of being trans is that I'm NOT a real woman, can't be a real woman and don't want to be one anyway.

Feminine males are the most evolved form of masculinity tbqh.

So, we have established that there's no way to make the penis smaller unless estrogen, right?

How do we cure AGP in a line?

>inb4: Transition
no thats a stupid idea

>>8783099
That's the only one that is known to work.

>>8783099
>no thats a stupid idea
Why is it?

>>8741900
How to find out if I am AGP?

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>>8783107
>>8783113
>destroy your image
>destroy career
>destroy friendships and family (marriage and kids, if any)
>look like a caricature of a person
>relationships formed as a realised agp self (transitioned) are never fulfilling; using men for gratification
>prone to irrationality and bouts of violence when questioned their life of facade
>tarnish the image of transsexuals and lgbt people
sure it's a condition outside your control but it's turns you into a unique kind of narcissist like a zombie parasite and eats you inside out

>>8783122
>relationships formed as a realised agp self (transitioned) are never fulfilling; using men for gratification
That's bullshit. ETLEs are complete nonsense. You can be attracted to other people genuinely.

>prone to irrationality and bouts of violence when questioned their life of facade
lmao

>tarnish the image of transsexuals and lgbt people
If you experience gender dysphoria you're just as trans. You're not trans because of AGP.

>>8783136
>I kind of panicked and started sperging about blanchard and how I think that trannies that don't pass shouldn't transition and how I don't see ugly trannies as people.
This is what Blanchard does to people. There are basically almost no people who fall for Blanchard's fables and don't hate trans people.

>shes cool and I don't want to make her think I'm a worthless asshole
Don't be a worthless asshole.

>>8783122
>>destroy career
>>destroy friendships and family (marriage and kids, if any)
Like I ever had or wanted those.

>>8782281
Depression wouldn't lead you to want to be a woman if you weren't AGP already.

>>8783117
Are you aroused by the thought of yourself as a woman?

>>8783188
>Are you aroused by the thought of yourself as a woman?
Aren't all heterosexual men aroused by such thoughts?

>>8783194
Heterosexuality in men is attraction towards women outside of themselves.

>>8783199
So you want to say that if some random heterosexual man with "attraction towards women outside of themselves" imagine himself being woman he will not experience any arousal at all?

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>tfw want to be pretty, have dreams where I see myself as being feminine and pretty but still recognisably myself and have masturbated to fantasies of being a women or feminine and having sex exclusively with men for as long as I can remember despite being a heterosexual male
Is this just narcissism/loneliness/virginity?
How normal is it to get aroused at the thought of being penetrated and not penetrating?
Do normal men get consistently aroused at the thought of being female/being seen as feminine? Do normal men get aroused at fantasises of penetrating girls?
Honestly never even thought about asking girls out in my entire life, nor having sex despite being 21.

>>8783264
No dysphoria etc?

>>8783264
>despite being a heterosexual male
You poor girl(agp)!

>>8783269
I wouldn't say so no.
The only thing I can remember as a kid is always being upset after my mother forced me to get a haircut cause I always tried to grow it out. Also always seeing myself as being chubby and not thin enough as a kid. Otherwise it's just positive things like seeing myself/deluding myself into thinking that a part of me is feminine and then seeing girls who just make me feel sick in my stomach and stupid for ever thinking it or reflections of myself at certain times, destroying my deluded self confidence, that only came later on though, after 18.
I don't think I'm trans though and I definitely don't want to be either but I feel like my complete lack of motivation towards sex and romance is slowly going to kill me.

>>8783264
>>8783306
Consider seeing a therapist.

>>8783147
Hating herself or other trannies isn't Blanchardian.

>>8747335
>>>8747060
>How do I find the best stories there?
>
>Like, it has categories and stuff, so it's better than nifty, but no popularity/rating thing.
post what your tg triggers are on their message board and people there will make suggestions. it's a very supportive and helpful community mostly.

>>8783382
what is a therapist even going to do? I'm 24 and just like anon I've never felt the need to ask someone out. I romantically feel apathic but sexually I feel very active, even if only with myself. I think that my wanting to be more feminine is just a release valve to my sexual desires going unsatisfied by my lack of intimate contacts with other people. Either way, I don't really give a shit if I get smaller testicles or no body hair, those are just arbitrary things normies associate to their black and white sexuality

Seriously. Imagine being turned into a woman. Normally you are a straight man, but in this new female body, you can't help but be attracted to men. You can't believe you have such girly thoughts now. You can't stop stealing glances at chad's hot musuclar body, his nice abs and pecks. You blush like a schoolgirl when he comes up and tries to sweettalk you. You can't believe you're getting turned on by him, this is the kind of guy who would be an asshole to you if you were still a guy. But with his ruggedly handsome looks and masculine charm, he takes you out on a date (he won't take no for an answer), you ride on the back of his motorcycle and you are forced to grab onto his hard muscles to stay on, and you can't help but feeling feminine. Your big tits are impossible to hide and announce to the entire world your female status

>>8783846
And then Chad finds out you used to be a man and stabs you 47 times

>>8783382
Therapists aren't some magical cure-all for any and every problem. This thread knows AGP issues better than 99% of gender therapists.

>>8783866
This thread thinks Ray Blanchard might have a point. It certainly doesn't understand AGP issues as well as a qualified therapist.

>>8783866
>gender therapists.
>AGP
ajajajajajajaaaaaaaa

I cant bring myself to ask the one I know about his view on AGP cause I might have a hysterical breakdown

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>>8783883
reminder that this thread experiences AGP while therapists only follow a texbook and officially accepted view/criteria

>>8783883
How have Blanchard deniers ever helped anybody?

>>8783855
>And then Chad finds out you used to be a man and stabs you 47 times
dm;hs.
that's the chad ethos.
he would absolutely fuck a magically transformed babe who used to be a dude.

>>8783904
>I experience autism therefore I understand autism

>>8783948
By showing them the commonly accepted truth.

>>8784025
commonly accepted bullshit like "some alternative gender" and other highly politicized nonsense that has even less to do with science than Blanchard's theory, so cut this nonsense, there is no 'truth' for how poorly it is researched

there is no help for AGP anyway

>>8742167
iktf

>>8781686
Apparently cyproterone kills your penis
Bica doesn't

both make it harder to get erect though

>>8784366
>even less to do with science than Blanchard's theory,

All psychiatry and psychology is inherently social control for (((statists))). Theres nothing sciency about social sciences apart from maybe statistics.

>>8786214
>(((statists)))
>implying the founders of libertarianism weren't jews

>>8745068
>imagine myself as a dominant lesbi
feels good man

>>8771581
глyпaя pyccкaя дeвoчкa в мoeм aгф тpeдe
no way

>>8745068
Sounds like you need to get into yuri

>>8784366
>there is no help for AGP anyway
that depends on whether you're also trans or not..

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>>8742207
>No, AGP was always my whole sexuality

who /AGP made into flesh/ here?

How to cope with being forever manly without spending hours on the internet looking at pics of attractive people and both simultaneously hating them, and yourself for being born a disgusting freak with a man skeleton? How do repress? I want to die.

>tfw realized i listen to agpcore

https://youtu.be/H53q4K3D9V0

>>8790520
Cross-playing helps if you're a gamer. Aside from that having stereotypically "masculine" interests can help with repression. I myself listen to lots of metal and watch/read a bunch of manly things. You'll probably still fantasize yourself as a girl on a regular basis, but it you won't nearly be as focused on sexual attractiveness.

The mental status of these beings is phenomenal to think that they not only have dysphoria but agp in the short term you truly are amazing if the the idea of jacking off to yourself is good

Is the need to get attention and validation for your crossdressing habits, a good thing or a bad thing for an agp?

>>8791968
>Aside from that having stereotypically "masculine" interests can help with repression.
I just see myself as a nerdy tomboy.

>>8787821
only if you can transition and fulfill/normalize your agp

>>8741900
i almost puked yesterday after telling my gf i'd rather play with my own boobs than hers.
mine didn't get any more cuddles last night.

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>>8770241
>I used to eat my semen imagining im a woman
>I thought it's just a straight fetish

Why isn't there a collection of AGP porn in the OP? Are you useless fucks good for anything at all?

>>8796650
>Needing porn to masturbate when you have yourself
fAkeGP

>>8783208
I'm pretty sure, yeah. I've talked to people about agp and most don't understand it at all
>>8796651
this. I haven't looked at porn in weeks

Is there any stats on number on agps that end with real dysphoria and transition?

>>8796650
Let's put together some good links to captions, stories, etc for the next OP! Whatever some AGPs like.

>>8796651
>>8796919
But a truAGP can still like pictures and scenes to project herself into!

I remember my first masturbation fantasy when I was like 10 or 11. I watched Six Days, Seven Nights with parents, and then when I went to sleep I imagine myself being simmilarly stuck on a island with girl, only that I was girl to and we were having fun :)) And I didn't figured out wanking yet so I just lie on stomach and rub my ''dickie'' on the bed hihihi

>>8796919
Im not even turned on by visual porn anymore, only by fantasies of being a woman and feminizing audio

>>8745511
Julia Serano use term FEF - female embodiment fantasies and use reverse causality. Not agp turn into a trans woman, but because you are trans woman (repressed) you have this fantasies.

>>8797337
wish i remembered my first fantasy

>>8797476
And 15 or 16 years later crackkk

>>8797447
I agree with her ideas regarding causality but I have a few problems with some of her claims. She believes normative cis women also experience FEFs of the exact same sort closeted transwomen do while I think that there is very little overlap when it comes to certain sorts of fantasies. For example I don't think normative cis women are turned on by the idea of cleaning their house for their husband.

>>8796925
Anyone?

>>8797782
Not that I know of.

>>8797782
how would that be possible?
also with trans acceptance more people are transitioning than ever

>>8797785
Any ideas from this thread? I heard that it usually get worse (both agp and dysphoria), so I wonder what are my chances.

>>8797513
>For example I don't think normative cis women are turned on by the idea of cleaning their house for their husband.
And the ones who do, do out of a submission fetish, not out of the femininity of it.

>>8796925
>>8797782
Estimates at the number of adult males who are AGP are something like 5%. Less than 1% of people are trans iirc and 80% of MtFs are AGP.

>>8797806
imagine yourself becoming more masc every year and how nice that would be and you'll know

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>>8797879
>adult males who are AGP are something like 5%

make it 50% according to surveyautist

>>8797887
Even 5% sound A LOT

>>8797887
I don't think she ever said it was that high.

>>8797979
Survey Anon still denies being a she despite being on hormones

Ask her how it feel to be called a she :) For that was one of bigg pushes toward accepting myself - it felt so damn good :^)

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>>8783091
>Feminine males are the most evolved form of masculinity tbqh.
That's why im on hrt aiming for an even more andro appearance. Sex is overrated, a qt boy with smoll feminine Dick and AA cups trancends humanity in all aspects.

>>8798053
I asked them if they'd like to be referred to as a she and they said no since they're not socially transitioning. It's weird.

>>8798022
I don't get why so many AGPs resist accepting themselves as women.

>>8798081
Probably because thinking of it as mere fetish is easier to accept? I mean it is hard to accept oneself as trans, isn't it? Beside I wonder what percentage of agp turn out trans, to how is/was agp coping mechanism for dysphoria etc. I also wonder who is right Blanchard (agp cause dysphoria) or Serano (agp is caused by being trans woman)

>>8797939
spoiler: survey is a joke

>>8798081
>I don't get why so many AGPs resist accepting themselves as women.

Because gender identity is meaningless identity politicking. Gender is either man or woman and you can't change it at a fundamental level. Accepting yourself as a "woman" is giving into a disease that keep you from loving yourself as a male.

Accepting yourself as a femboy or non conforming male is a more meaningful expression of self love and love for other men. It allows you to detach yourself from the degenerate metaphor of "womanhood" while accepting your softer, passive side.

>>8798053
I know it does and its almost tormenting but Im not delusional, Im a man with feminized brain and a fetish

>>8798081
>accepting themselves as women.
in what way? I've developed male identity and wanting to be a woman or feminizing your body via HRT doesn't make you one

>>8798081
Survey Anon is a devout adherent of Blanchardianism so in their case the answer is simple. In general? It's easier to think of yourself as a fetishist than as a transwoman because that means you can keep repressing.

>>8798090
Given the brain differences we've found in pre-hormone trans people I think AGP as a cause can't be right.

>>8798114
Well, a transwoman is not the same as a cis woman but she's certainly not the same as a cis man, right? Trans people are in a category of their own and accepting this isn't wrong. Check out what I wrote here:
>>8796444

There are classically intersex women who are chromosomally male but are still recognized as women. An intersex woman who looks exactly like a non-intersex woman is perceived as and acts like a "normal" woman in just about every practical day to day scenario. If someone is functionally almost exactly like a woman why refuse them this classification? Likewise, if we extend cultural (if not strictly biological) womanhood to people who are in-between, why not apply this to transwomen?

>>8798130
So basically brain studies show that agp is developed by people who are already trans?

>>8798161
>>If someone is functionally almost exactly like a woman why refuse them this classification?

Because science says so

>>Likewise, if we extend cultural (if not strictly biological) womanhood to people who are in-between, why not apply this to transwomen?

Because transwomen are even less women than intersex males who had the advantage of being cucked at the fetal stage.

>>8798172
They show that the brains of pre-hormone transsexual are shifted toward being like those of the sex their owners identify as in some regions. The current theory is that this is caused by abnormal exposure to sex hormones during natal development. AGP can't be the cause of these differences. HOWEVER there is no actual empiric science on why and how people develop AGP. All we have is the correlation with being trans and gynephilic.

>>8798190
Suppose you have blue paint and red paint. When you paint an object red you call it red and when you paint an object blue you call it blue. Simple. One day you accidentally mix a bit of red paint with your blue paint, resulting in a different color. Does it really make sense to call this new color red or blue? What if you add a bit more red (HRT)?

There is an undeniable difference between cis and trans individuals but what we label trans people as is up to us. Science does not demand that we stick to the labels we've used so far. If anything a new label would be more accurate.

>>8798249
Interesting. I have only read critique by Serano and it basically say that when trans women combine testosterone fueled sexuality together with need to cope with trans feelings develop gender identity into a fetish

>>8798130
i know i'm trans and repress anyway

>>8798161
I still dont relate to any womanhood or identify as a woman
I wish I could but I'll never pass so nah, Im a fem guy but thats just me

>>8798587
When I was repressing I had to be manly, being fem was triggering be to go further the road.

>>8798374
That's just her attempt to explain away AGP.

>>8800625
She don't explain it away. She just reverse causality.

>>8800673
>She don't explain it away.
Right, she only tries to.

She came to her conclusion, trans causes AGP, and worked backwards to invent an explanation for that, and her explanation doesn't even work with the facts.

>>8800691
Perhaps. Idk shit about psychology. But that fetish could cause dysphoria is a bit far fetched imao. If it would be, it could be cure with psychotheraphy. Sadly it can't and I'm ordering mones

>>8800746
a) fetishes can't be "cured"
b) AGP isn't a fetish
c) "is a bit far fetched imao" is Serano-tier "science"

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