/gaygen/ Gay General - Pirin Tablets Edition

>>8781952

daww that was a great movie

:3

There's a guy I work with who has the soft gay voice and everytime he walks around me he pats my back.

Is he gay, and is he into me?

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>>8781956

"Men's" shampoos suck. The ones that come in those sleek black bottles and cost 17 bucks. They make your hair so thin and limp.

the fortifying grocery store ones that are 4 bucks are so much better

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Whats the best vegetables to practice fellatio on? I have to beat back the gag reflex again.

Bananas have that weird brown nub at the end that can scratch and has god knows what in it.

I thought maybe a cucumber. They're lightly waxed anyways.

>>8781960
maybe he has a fetish for bachne

>>8781965
My dead bitchass native american great grandmother's blood makes every shampoo completely useless to me.
No matter what I try it always ends up being a dry frizzy pile of crap.
I've actually considered using black people shampoo.

>>8781969
why don't you just peel the banana first?
use a mostly green one so it wont fall apart.

>>8781960

He might be into you but that doesnt mean he intends anything. I suppose he might be checking for feedback. But a lot of more passive guys both 'gay' or 'straight' tend to be behaviorally more relaxed than most guys and casual gentle touching as expression isnt itself an indication of interest. It doesnt mean it isnt, it just isnt so strong an indication that he is or isnt gay, into you or anything else. Some guys are just relaxed and treat everyone as their family.

Likewise, some guys have some of the exact same mannerisms as gays for similar reasons but arent actually interested in men at all. They are just really passive and gentle in their disposition.

Sometimes guys have these mannerisms and are attracted to males involuntarily but have disciplined their minds to instantly reject sexual thoughts about males. They consider themselves straight by choice and live as such. So for all intents and purposes, they aren't into males practically and dont think that way despite emotional reactions. But they may nonetheless still have the mannerisms and be barely aware of it.

>>8781988

Thats a thought, thank you. I would hate to choke though. Thats why I usually left the peel on. A green one might be safe though.

>>8781971
omg

>>8781983
>>8781965

So conditioner doesnt help? Could you be letting it on too long?

life is good bros
but this bussy is missing a dlit

>>8782014
It's a 2 in 1 shampoo and conditioner. I feel like it's for crew cut chads where it doesn't matter how the hair lays on the head. Typically I get the garnier fructis shampoo and conditioner separately which is good.

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what the FUCK IS UP KYLE

>>8782075
Hey Tyler

Place your bets how long until I say something outrageous on another gay thread then filtered everytime I go to one it happens so I'll get started

>>8781952

Does anyone else feel instinctively more submissive when you're with another guy who is older than you? For reference, I'm 18 and while fooling around with guys my own age, I exclusively top. But there's this one guy I met online. He's 28 and over the past few months, we've basically developed this bizarre sub/dom relationship. It started out slowly but escalated to the point where he's had me do some degrading fucked up shit that I would never even consider doing with someone my own age. I mean I'm really into the whole power play aspect of it all but normally, I just wouldn't do this.

>>8782087
who's tyler

>>8782098
There's always a Tyler

>>8782092

I cant say older, but I notice I become more effeminate around men I want. Tonality, expression, body language all involuntarily signal submission.

As for the rest, I think you are lucky in that you have the self awareness to see an association you make between age and role.

There are much stranger things people fall into, and that you link seniority with your own submission isnt that unusual at all; consider how odd the reverse might seem to you.

You dont sound like you regret it, nor should you, and are just surprised to find a side of you that requires specific triggers to unlock.

I think the happiest people are ones who accept whichever role they are most comfortable with over time with whoever the most often. But conversely, I think there is some truth in that we become better at those roles when we have a chance to be on the other side of them to learn. It gives us some useful empathy.

>>8782092
Always feel instinctively more submissive. You're 18 though like you topping anyone to satisfaction is hysterical.

>>8782119

You're right. I don't regret it but it is a little out of my comfort zone. Having him top me is one thing but he goes beyond doing just that. And yet, I'm perfectly happy to play along because I get these overwhelmingly submissive vibes when I'm near him. I guess the fact that I get off on having another man exude power and control over me fucks with my head a bit. It's not something I'm used to.

>>8782226
>it is a little out of my comfort zone.

Ah, but that's the high of bottoming. You are taking the plunge, trusting another man wont hurt you, yielding control in a way that is difficult to get back until they decide to return it.

It infantilizes one, reduces them to helplessness in the arms of someone in control. The risk vs reward is peaked. Physically, the risk couldn't be greater. In nature, the difference between sex and violence is rather thin, and violence can become absolute. So when one is at maximum risk, the return of safety is just as high, thus the infantilization. Being that vulnerable makes you that safe. At the mercy of a man, you are also completely protected by him.

As for degradation and humiliation, these are somewhat more ritualistic. Being pissed on, spit on, hit, verbally degraded, ridiculed in some way. These are exhibitions of role position, made extreme for maximum clarity. Humans, especially males, love this. They even submit to hierarchic when they dont have to. Roles are a big part of human empathetic communication, tacit coordination. When two ore more people have clear, simple ideas of what part each plays in coordinating a task, that part of our mind normally burdened with relying on verbal communication is at rest and the mind is rewarded. Its as close to telepathy as humans will ever get, and there is a high from it.

So its worth it to some people to submit utterly in hopes of seeing utter dominance. That clear polarity of lead/follow is primordial social coordination. The more one submits or dominates, the more the other responds.

That is why humans get more than just a physical rush from sex, because its a transaction that is also cerebral. It *means* something more than just the act, even in the dullest contexts.

>>8782362

So you have nothing to feel untoward about. You are a social creature that appreciates males, and so your instincts as such are simply responding to escalated cues. You still have other over riding instincts, but I dont think its likely they will be triggered. So at present, I dont think you have to worry about 'falling in' so deep that you lose control completely. Enjoy the ride, grow from it, and perhaps you will find it again sometime.

And surely you wouldn't be the first top to submit to someone you view as a different role. I dont think it even really makes one versatile, because you have a center, a preference generally. If it moves, then it moves, but until then you are still within norms. The experience does change one, but how and to what outcome can vary from person to person and context.

This thread killed 10 people the faggottry is off the charts

>tfw will never have booty hole pounded by hot guy because not gay

>tfw will never have hot guy thrusting himself into me because straight

>>8782092
No it depends on who it is for me. I'm 18 and regularly fuck a 36 year old, he's much smaller then me and I throw him around, it makes me feel soooo good.

What is a terf

How do you move on from being sexfriend with someone to being in a relationship ?
I've been seeing this guy, we're very close, get along well, have similar interests (he's a nerdy twink, i'm a nerdy otter), and the sex is great.
Thing is, he's had a tough breakup last year and needs time to be able to think romantically again. Also he's unemployed and trying to start a life in a city two hours away from where I live (when he usually lives an hour away).

How can I try and make him even consider being romantically involved with me ? We're already very intimate, with kisses and cuddles when we're together, it's kind of confusing.

Also I should probably mention that I've never been in a relationship, nor really in love. I'm 25 and it's the first time I've considered being in a relationship, best I had before where regular hookups.

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>tfw no bf

>>8782092
>some degrading fucked up shit
d-describe it, just for science

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How do I get a Sugardaddy if I am not in the US, and not a 15 year old tranny.

I'm 20, 5'11, and muscular, is it game over for me?
Even then, how do you find a sugardaddy.

>>8783319
dating up is for women

>>8783319
E S C O R T I N G

Not that I warch porn often, and I stick to amateur, but could I be gay because the gay porn I watch is way more romantic and intimate, whereas straight porn is just some guy slapping his huge cock on a bimbo's tits?

Anyone feel me? Especially when they're kissing, and the smaller guy is feeling the bigger guy's chest and arms, while the bigger guy is grabbing his ass, and then the smaller guy goes for the rock hard mancock.

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I just found out Beakman is gay...

>>8783218

>d-describe it, just for science

Not sure how much detail you want me to go in but these come to mind:

>as a general rule, he never lets me touch my cock
>if he sees me move my hand down to my crotch, he might slap the back of my head and tell me not to move
>he only wants me to cum by being fucked by him
>sometimes he'll wrap his legs around my chest and move his hand towards my mouth and precede to shove his fingers down my throat
>while he fucks me, he might gag me with his underwear
>he expects me to blow him anytime he sees fit
>he once bought me a male g string and had me wear it while he fucked me
>and then there is the general degrading sex talk
>nearing orgasm, he's usually tell me to refer to myself as his bitch or something like that
>that sort of shit

>>8783390
>Is porn magic?

No you fucking retard.
I really wish there as a way to enforce the 18+ rule because I am so fucking tired of this same stupid bullshit every single fucking day.

>>8783405
Why are you so angry?

>>8783404
pfft.. that's kinda weak. like bdsm for babbies

also, am I the only one who thinks g-strings look gross and repulsive on men? like even worn out old man boxers are sexier.

>>8783412
>I am so fucking tired of this same stupid bullshit every single fucking day

>>8783420

>pfft.. that's kinda weak. like bdsm for babbies

Fuck man how much worse can it get? Maybe it's because i'm a lightweight but I feel really humiliated after most of this. I mean yeah I get off on it because of him but it just feels really emasculating.

As for the g-string, yeah I would agree. It's not my sort of thing either but he wanted me to wear it so I went with it. Jockstraps are the other alternative that he uses, although I cant say I find wearing a jockstrap to be particularly humiliating desu.

>>8783423
Leave then? Are you a masochist?

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>>8783404

>tourists

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>>8781952
>another bf cheated on me with that handsome guy with a pretty face who has ONSs with every guy in the city whether they're single or not

Heh, bullet dodged. I'm glad he revealed his shallowness only months into the relationship.

On an unrelated note, where do you buy acid?

>>8783441
>Fuck man how much worse can it get?
Are you kidding?
He could make you drink his piss, take a dump on your face, shove his fist up your ass, kick you in the balls, hook your nipples up to a car battery, whip you till you bleed...

>>8783521
>On an unrelated note, where do you buy acid?
Anything that relieves sink clogs is acid.

>>8783548
a plunger is acid?

>>8783411
i know this is a stereotype but this made me gag
holyshit

>>8783552
some clogs cannot be done with a plunger.

>>8783343
How do I become an escort

>>8783540

He might bruise me occasionally but bleeding is rare, although it has happened. Didn't mention in my OC, but he has pissed on me before, tho he never forced me to drink it. We were in the shower together and he told me to kneel down and, well, the rest is self explanatory but that was a one off which he hasn't tried since.

>>8783548
Drain cleaners are actually basic

>fugged a qt on a boat

>Able to do 200 bodyweight squats in a row somewhat easily
>Ass is still Hank Hill tier

>>8783717
>200 squats
>easily

that's not how muscle building works, anon

>>8783724
Yes, but I tought by now I'd have some sort of results.

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>>8783717

>>8783743
>do something wrong to a ridiculous degree
>expect positive results


That's kind of like expecting to get a million dollars by going up to 200 people and projectile vomiting into their mouths.

>>8783746
>that tiny square

awwloleww

>>8783616
Liquid drain cleaners are typically hydrochloric acid which is a strong acid.

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>>8783441

idk... maybe if he made you walk three laps around the block wearing his jizz on your face

If youre gonna be a worthless cum sponge, you wanna do it right.

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>>8783441
>but it just feels really emasculating.

Its supposed to. How much of a dipshit are you anyways? Jeez... Next you'll be bitching that blow jobs taste like dick.

>>8782099
What did he mean by this?

>>8783871

I get that. I'm just not used to it.

>>8783156
;-;

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>>8783571
plz respond

>>8784005
If you are not in rich 1st world countries, the possibilities of becoming one are really small.

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>>8784032
I live in Denmark.

Only 'Sugardaddy' offer I ever got as one in the US. He randomly contacted me through reddit on my alt account where I posted about sexual kinks and feels.

>>8784056
Demand for male escorts is really, really low. In a small country like Denmark it's probably even lower. You can look up your local escort agencies if you want to be protected and stuff, or you can advertise yourself as independent whore - more money, but less safety. Anything else? Tbh you'd be better off living in the US - much bigger market for whoring yourself out.

>>8783746
>mtf pls leave

>>8783743
do squats, deadlifts, hip thrusts, and lunges.
come back when you add 200+lbs to the first 3 from where you start

>>8781994
>Sometimes guys have these mannerisms and are attracted to males involuntarily but have disciplined their minds to instantly reject sexual thoughts about males. They consider themselves straight by choice and live as such.

great post

I was that way to such an extent I never fantasized about a male never once in 20 years since puberty. Although my first sexual attractions were women it later petered out and I only realized I was into dudes after 30. Before that dudes did not do anything for me, thats how well disciplned my mind was.I have never jerked to gay stuff once in my youth.

I had nothing against gay people, it just wasn't me and the few times a gay guy would hit on me I completely ignored it and laughed it off. There was never any attraction. Same being with other dudes in the sauna. Not even a stray thought.

Even now I'd reject a dude. I know I'm attracted now but straight life has wired itself into my personality and even if I ever dare into sex it would only be a random hookup.

The brain is an incredible thing.

Hey guys I'm back. What happened while I was out?

https://vocaroo.com/i/s0lWrhByPWii

Hey lads. Quick question from a straight guy here. Girlfriend appears to be allergic to water based lube, particularly during anal use. We tried a couple different ones and always gets a burning. Tried some massage oil and she liked it, no burning. Need some alternatives as the oil we used was pretty expensive. Thought I'd hit up the experts.

What are my other options? What do you guys use? Should I go silicone? Is there a good oil for this?

I went to a party last night and my ex boyfriend stole my debit card. God I'm a dumb ass and let my dick think.

>>8784476


there's olive oil but its annoying to get off you but thats the only drawback

if it was good for such legendary buttrustlers as the ancient romans its good for you too

>>8784298
..or maybe you're bi?

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>>8784491

Don't worry. I'm sure you-know-who will bring you a new one!

>>8784520

Alright. Any cooking oil will do or gotta be olive? Virgin/extra virgin make a difference?

>>8784543

dont be so fucking cheap

gotta be olive, that other shit makes no difference

>>8784550

Alright. Just checking. I live in Poland. It's more the quality of stuff like olive oil is suspect sometimes. Fake olive oil is a real thing.

>>8784563

Then just be sure and buy Rapeseed Oil.

Ironically, it's heavily spermicidal so you won't have to wear a condom.

>>8784521
>or maybe you're bi?

I would absolutely have no qualms about being with a woman, I can jack off to straight porn perfectly fine although I was never crazy about the vagina itself

Its tough for me to get hard to the thought of a woman, just one naked on a pic certainly wont do. But I've kissed girls before and got hard just from the feel of her boobs. If fantasizing about women I had feelings for it would also be easier to get hard.

But guys is the bigger kick and I wonder if the more I get into it the more my attraction to women will disappear.

I would love to be bi but its extremely rare for men

>>8784570

Ever again in your life.

>>8784570

Thought it had to be olive. Aight will look for both.

>>8784563

Funny thing I'm polish too. Nigga just go to the store and buy a flask of olive oil fake olive oil is not a thing , just dont buy a Biedronka olive oil or some shit and you're fine, costs like 10zl for a smaller one.

Again, its hard to get off yourself.

>>8784577

That's ominous.

>>8784579

Good choice, son.

>>8784298

You weren't into dudes your whole life and then just suddenly become aware of it. You weren't into dudes, period. And then you were.

Dont fall for this time-traveler causality that the whack jobs sell to explain that yes, people can change, because then there goes the whole "born this way" nonsense or worse, it might get out that gay men could acquire an attraction that isnt male and I dare not name here, even if the math is obvious.

I didn't like liver until I was around 25. It wasn't that I was into liver and onions all along and just didnt realize that my taste buds were genetically waiting for me to come out of the liver closet. I didn't fuckin like liver. Period. End of story. I never had a good experience with it, and so I never went out of my way to have it.

Then one day I had liver that wasnt from a shitty cook. Turns out I started liking liver.

Causality and chronology is a real thing. Its ok to keep sane logic when everyone else is abandoning theres. I totally believe what you're saying. I just think we might differ in our terms. People dont 'realize' they were into dudes. They either were or they weren't. And then things can change. The only use for denying chronology in development is if you have some bullshit theories to sell morons looking for excuses out of needless (and utterly useless) guilt.

>>8784614
Liking men isn't the same thing as liking ice cream you mouthbreather.

>>8784595

Yeah. We'll check it out. I'mma google rapeseed oil as lube just in case ya'll niggaz get a man scurred.

>>8784595

Biedronka. Heh. Nah I just wanted to make sure if we got something fucked up she wasn't gonna die. Fake olive oil is a thing. Look it up it's crazy

>>8784595

I knew a guy who made fake olive oil it is definitely real and you do NOT want to use it for sex.

Rapeseed oil is 100% the way to go.

>/lgbt/ is the least /pol/ infested popular board
literally wtf happened to 4chin while I took a long nap

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>>8784636

Das rite. Liking dick is a magical, mystical thing that occurs in genes, where amino acids sequence for gay proteins that tell the brain what sex it likes absent any experience using graviton fluctuations in the sexuality center of the brain. There are conclusive studies, and six transbian Swedish doctors can't be wrong.

Tune in for next weeks editorial: Unicorns, Rainbows and What They Can Tell You about Your Future Husband.

>>8784614

I dont know man I've been thinking about this a lot these days.

There definitely was a time when I was into women sexually and heavily so. A sideboob glimpse caught on a bus would literally make me mad and all I could think of was to jerk it. Thats a fact.

I'm pretty sure the born this way think is not true because simply put I wasn't. So many times during childhood and teens when women aroused me crazy. It only started waning in my twenties, maybe 23 or so. I never had much success with women but definitely fell for them.

It's such a cruel thing to happen, I envy all the gay guys who knew since practically forever and at the base level of their core identity never had to struggle with it. I wish I could get fucked by dudes and then fuck women I like but it seems like it won't work this way.

I know I could have sex with a woman but at this point in time I'd have to kick start the drive thinking about dude sex and that just feels like cheating and the thing all those guys in marriages do. And yet I never found and still dont find much enjoyment in gay porn.

>>8783390
I find both nice, but gay porn hotter in a different way. I guess I'm bi.

>>8784832
I also have deep fantasies about bottoming for bigger, stronger guys, and topping smaller guys, but mostly bottoming. I don't really fantasize about women.

>when two 'huge' guys are in a relationship but they both sound like stuttering prepubescent boys
interdasting...

>>8784923
It's so fun to clock them in public since they probably delude themselves into thinking nobody would believe they're gay. Used to see that all the time when i worked in retail

>>8784575
I don't want to push a bi agenda on you... but all this sounds bi to me: even if you're 80% into guys, you're also 20% into women afterall. But you seem more comfortable of "labelled" yourself as gay, good for you!

>>8784966
You can tell most of the time even when they don't speak because they have this sort of forced physical distance between them. But when you do catch them speaking it just seals the deal.

>>8784525
I think my mom has that exact xmas ornament

>>8781960
he probably sees you as a child and probably has kids of his own.
maybe talk to him instead of asking us to conjecture.
if he is gay, touching you would be creepy and verging on sexual harrasment.
i doubt he would be doing that, if he was gay, for that reason.

>>8782035
try awapuhi shampoo.
i'm native hawaiian and it works for me where other conditioners have failed.

>>8783404
you lucky bitch
i wish my bf did this

>>8783571
Ask for $generous$ men on craigslist?

>>8784732

Then your tastes have simply changed, perhaps adapted as many have. Its not a problem unless you make it one.

Generally speaking, its a poor approach, whether one prefers males or females, to make it a focal point of existence. Sex is a part of life, not life itself. For most today, its regarded, right or wrong, as recreation.

We do make choices about what we do, what we make routine, habit. Sometimes lifestyles are open and public, sometimes they are very private. A majority make it a point of social interaction, some keep their social interaction and sexual interests quite divided.

Knowing what people call me and what I am aren't the same thing. I always knew I liked guys, and I knew what people would call that. There are reasons I liked guys. For one, its as simple as trying it and liking it. Two, females were a pain in my ass. Three, I didnt really feel I had any social benefits to lose being with guys, and nothing I wanted to gain by being with girls.

I told people I liked guys when it seemed germane. But not every time, and not every place. It wasn't always socially useful, and not always relevant. Its not that I didnt see girls as physically attractive. I just couldn't work up the shit to give to put up with the game and expectations...

>>8785584

... Heterosexuality as a lifestyle is basically a battery of disciplines with pro-social premises. When you remove those, it sort of ceases to matter. Obviously it helps if indeed you've acquired an interest in females regardless.

You can still choose whatever you like, as all of us can, whether that choice implies anything or not. Family is a big deal, and as natural as not having one. One is socially rewarded, the other isnt. Family can be both asset or liability or both. Thats what youre really deciding when you aim for the hetero lifestyle more than just the attraction. Cheer up. You always have options.

As comedienne Lynn Lavner famously said, "The Bible contains 6 admonishments to homosexuals, and 362 to heterosexuals. That doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love straight people, just that they need more supervision."

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>>8785386
>if he is gay, touching you would be creepy and verging on sexual harrasment.

Please, get the fuck over yourself.

>>8784332
>>8784525
are you still a cute crossdressing lil faggot

>Check grinder
>See cute bear
>"My pronouns are he/him

NO FUCKING SHIT. Do you really have to specify that when you're on a gay sex app?

>>8785792
christmas hitler is a different poster from regular hitler

>>8786618
2 hitlers?

>>8786645
what a fucking nightmare

>>8784332
Kill yourself

>>8786645
it's been like this for like two+ years now

>>8786729
Didn't really know since he namefagged without a trip.

Which one are you again? The one who types like Laganja Estranja?

>>8786782
mawma that's me
and thats miss thang to you sweetie

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>>8786922

>>8786927
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eOOGHg3Qu4

>graduated college recently
>got a new job and moved to a new place
>ex who I haven't seen in 5 years lives there and snaps me
>start hanging out with him and his friends cuz I don't know anyone else there
This is an interesting turn of events. He still lives with two of the same people he did 5 years ago. He's probably my favorite ex, but still, it's all kind of weird.

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>>8787039
I'm more inclined to be pessimistic about this because I had a blast from the past go bad on me.

I had an amazing best friend in grade school that I really cared about. Come middle school the schools merged and I began hanging out some new people, who eventually began to bully him and I joined in because I thought it was better to have multiple buddies than a really good friend. He moved schools before high school and didn't hear from him since then. Then a few years ago I met him at college and he was gay and time has been very good to him, and we began talking again, and I was happy to date my longtime soulmate basically. But it was just to catch up, told me that he was rightfully hurt by what I did, and that he doesn't want me in his life at all, even as a friend

>>8787141
that's too bad, sorry man. everyone does shitty things in middle school, don't feel too bad.
i didn't end things too badly with this guy, but I'm not really sure I want to try dating again either. I'll just play it by ear and see where it goes I guess.

>>8787141
>he was rightfully hurt by what I did, and that he doesn't want me in his life at all, even as a friend

I could be fascinated to learn about what sort of mind would expect otherwise and yet not really interested.

>>8787141
buuut.. it only went bad on you because you are a bad person
if your "soulmate" told this story from his perspective, being pessimistic would make sense.

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>>8787162
>everyone does shitty things in middle schoo


No, they don't. This thread quickly became Sociopaths Anonymous. What is more disturbing than sadistic children are people who assume all children are and trying to console each other to validate themselves. Even prison inmates can summon a moral conscience more intuitively. Jesus christ.

I'm regretful to what I did and it's a learning experience and he's no saint either.

If anything I've become a pushover because of it trying to avoid confrontation at all.

>>8784719
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xq28
>A meta-analysis of all data available at that time (i.e., Hamer et al. (1993), Hu et al. (1995), Rice et al. (1999), and the unpublished 1998 study by Sanders et al.) indicated that Xq28 has a significant but not exclusive role in male sexual orientation
Dont know why im plying into the bait but here you go

>>8785386
>patting on the back is sexual harassment
You sound a lot like a woman

>>8787214
retard

>Never had any experiences
>Just spend my time reading other people's romantic and sex stories
Feels dying alone, man

>>8787280
>meta-analysis
Stopped reading right there.

>>8787191
Kids are shit dude. I fucking hate you moralfags who grow up and pretend that nothing bad happened to them growing up and that they never did anything bad to anyone
Kids are cruel, it's a fuckin fact

>>8787404
>Never had any experiences
You're not remembering hard enough.
Even I got a handjob from a male friend

>>8787495
I have never done anything. Nothing sexual, nothing romantic, nothing even particularly close or friendly. Zippo. Bupkus.

I'm not gay but I want to bottom. <3

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I want a bara bf

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>>8785792

If by "crossdressing lil faggot" you mean a xmas decorating good little elf who loves Christmas!

>>8787280


Iirc, Hamer was investigated for fraudulent claims regarding a different study, I think regarding cancer. People can concoct whatever homo theories they want, vitamin deficiency, epigentics, stress hormones in prenatal development, plastic bottles. But when it comes to actual medicine, theres money at stake and the academic community stops screwing around.

There was a race in the 90's for the most convincing line of bullshit about homos and genes, Prior to then, no one was making the 'born this way' claim and being taken seriously. (Although Nazis had some theories, its just no one cared to pursue it as more than a academic diversion).

Xq28, like most of those contemporary theories relied heavily on speculation to fill in gaps, as did LeVays work, which sort of started the race. It was a big deal to get published on the subject and it was wildfire in Queer Theory, in the debate of 'biological essentialism vs social constructionism". These debates are considered over, as it is haram to suggest there could be any doubts. "Eppur si muove".

The whole field of competing egos in queer theory eventually lead to what was an honest academic clusterfuck. It was haram to suggest any 'essentialist' theory was wrong, so all were considered to have some validity. This lead to having 40 explanations for the same thing, a bit like a child who has one excuse or lie to explain himself after another as each is invalidated.

The politics of calling it biological were just too attractive for everyone no matter which side. Instead of finding the relief of returning to 'the love that dare not speak its name' (perhaps it becomes clear now why), it became 'the love that dare not speak its cause'. While the phenomenon is as old as man, speaking of either the cause or effect seem to be a fast track to social discord, so much that todays more religious cultures find ways to channel it quietly because the open discussion is a greater social bomb than just letting it quietly pass

>>8788548

I have to further add that this switch in the early 90's was a big change from what the "gay agendists" had been pushing the decade before, and found was not working, much to their frustration.

Prior to 'gene theories' which offered a legal distinction of innate quality such as race, the political arm of the gay community had instead been very loud on a much braver, nobler idea, that it was a personal choice, and that no small issue of personal liberty was at stake. "I am what I am" was the anthem of the day. Instead of hiding behind some mystery medical explanation, the intelligentsia of the age made numerous and completely valid arguments for defending the choice.

Unfortunately, it was a wash out politically. The moral majority didnt want to hear it. In fact, it could be argued the choice was more offensive to them than the act itself, because it was an accidental declaration of war on the social order.

So the rise of 'biological essentialism' began, and it sold like hot cakes. Parents were off the hook, gays were unburdened having to defend their behavior, judges were clear to make easy if somewhat abstruse decisions, and the mainstream moral majority could make a claim of genetic superiority while essentially dehumanizing gays as some sort of mutant.

I have to close this wall of text. But I'd like to point out that I dont recount this to tell you what was. I tell you to caution what can become. The forces of sex and gender are some of the most powerful social triggers a society has because everyone wants a say on it. You can find any pervert with a claim to moral authority and any sexless loser with a lot to say about their moral virtue. The issue of sex is the easiest thing to grandstand on and move mobs because everyone wants to watch but they try their damnest not to be seen. Thats the recipe for a lot of fast moving bullshit.

Can I even consider myself gay if I have never had sex? I'm almost 30 here and have only masturbated to male on male porn. I don't know if I would truly like it.

>>8788586


We are at a point where our culture is deciding what is civilized, so it also is deciding who belongs in civilization. If you are on the wrong side of that equation, you are regarded as an animal, and people can do anything to animals.

Its not your imagination. Tensions are peaked. Some mistakes have been made and poorly conceived alliances wrought. As I often say in my love for studying men, governments are just the long pause between human stampedes.Not all breeds are alike, some rely heavily on empathy to socially organize. If you've been sensing the herd is spooked, its because the herd is sensing the same thing.

So "Caution - Slow: Falling nation ahead".

>>8788589

I dont know why you are asking others to define and label you with deliberately muddled terms like 'gay'.

Are you seeking some clique identity? Would you enjoy that?

You're a man, start there. People like different things, at different times and under different circumstances.

What you fantasize about isnt necessarily what you want to do. Seeing something and doing it are different. A better, more honest question would be 'do I want to have sex with guys?'

And if you do want to, and then do, it still isnt really useful to your question. Because it ignores everything else, the fact that you are 30, or that you presumably had enjoyable experiences with women and pursue them.

People will come flying out of the woodwork with whatever koolade their side is selling to answer the question for you. But it isnt helpful.

Perhaps instead of asking 'what would others call me', ask what you would like to do, would you change anything, and if so, why, for what purpose. Or why let it stay the same. Because others will pick useless labels for you regardless. We have no choice in that. But you entirely get to choose what YOU want to do, when, how, why and for how long. You also get to change your mind.

If you want a clique to join, let the question stand and I assure you plenty will chime in and give you some sense of validation either way. Just be clear on what youre asking and why.

Like I say, the biggest myth ever sold about sexual identity is that you have to have one.

>>8788548
>>8788586
>>8788602

Really good posts. I've always thought that the nature vs nurture arguments were essentially retarded because anyone who's ever met another human being or has a semi-functioning memory can point to instances in their own life of both nature and nurture being clear causes of things. The idea that sexuality is somehow immune because....reasons... always made me roll my eyes.

Unfortunately the dividing line is one of extremism at this point. Being gay isn't going to ruin your life anymore. But having the wrong opinions on gay (or let's be honest, trans and social justice) issues, even if you're yourself gay, is becoming more and more dangerous. Keep your head down.

>>8787571
>not gay
>wants a dick in his ass
Got some news for ya

>>8787577
I wanna be bara and have a tiny bf

>>8788861
no

>>8788859
I'm not gay, though. I'm bi and submissive. <3

>>8788618

Historically, it didn't really work that way, yeah. Like "being gay" was totally fine, in that you could fuck men. You still had a social obligation to get married and have children. But if you covered your social obligations, and wanted to fuck men, that was sorta on you.

It was the people who made who and what they fuck their entire life and identity that were considered weird, no matter whether it was 'straight' or 'gay'.

Yes of course being gay has been villified and whatnot at various points in history, but there were lots of times where it was only a problem if you weren't fulfilling the rest of your duties to spend that time sucking dick.

Related, check out the slightly pretentious and pointless E-Prime dialect. While rigidly going for it is kinda dumb, it presents an interesting view of the world. There is no "to be" only what you are currently doing.

I don't really post on this board. Though, I could use some help. I'm 18 and in the closet.
I've hated myself for a long time and even tried to force myself straight. I'm kinda still in denial though.
I don't want to be gay. I'm not sure if I could be happy with a man. Has anyone dealt with something similar?
I would really appreciate some advice.

It's so weird and funny how kids grow up in these separate little bubble realities that are completely impervious to any outside information.
I'm sure I was similar when I was younger, but I swear it's getting worse. I keep seeing 18-25 year olds who ask questions that would make more sense coming from a 12 year old. I don't understand how living in the age of endless free information/the internet would make kids MORE ignorant than back when we learned everything from books or word of mouth or tv.

Then again, maybe everyone who asks these sorts of questions and claims to be over 18 is just a big fat liar.

Anyone else go to Manchester Pride this weekend? I managed to pull a big beefy bear last night and it turns out he's like the CEO of some big charity. So he was super sexy AND super rich. How do I not fuck this up?

>>8788984
>slut and golddigger
you're beyond redemption

>>8789013
>being this repressed
you need to love yourself gurl

>>8788825

Thank you, I appreciate it. Also:

>the dividing line is one of extremism at this point

- is a really good point, and it is indeed very unfortunate.

I'm old enough to remember when trans folk were the salt of the earth. The community didn't seek heroic appraisals and instead worked quietly and humbly on taking care of not only their own youth, but also did a ton more for gay youth and adopted them as their own while the gay 'orthodoxy' of the age essentially fed them to the club scene and ruined so many young lives with drugs and hedonism, and then turned their backs on them when the inevitable sexploitation and legal consequences arrived. The trans will always have a place in my heart because of that. I have seen with my own eyes the humanity they embodied.

Then recently, like ourselves, (the gays) they seem to have been hijacked by agitators. Now everyone is at each others throats. I can love the trans and still resist certain premises, and would be considered hateful for it, just as many consider me self loathing because I tend to philosophically place the needs of society's many above egoist maneuvers set simply to prove a point.

>>8788917

Oh I agree totally. We did truly have a working model for most of history. But some bad actors on the other side gave occasion to be blown out of proportion, and all the rest of this followed.

>>8789025

On a personal level I've never had the slightest issue with people doing their own thing. You wanna take hormones? Aight. I only take issue when I'm told how I have to think about people. What I can and can't say. It's the weird thought police aspect that we have now around it that's the issue for me. Couldn't care less about telling other people what they should or shouldn't do.

>>8789025
>the gay 'orthodoxy' of the age essentially fed them to the club scene and ruined so many young lives with drugs and hedonism, and then turned their backs on them when the inevitable sexploitation and legal consequences arrived

I've seen you write this before. I get this impression of a cognitive dissonance and conspiracy theory-type thinking when you talk about the so-called "orthodoxy", as if they were some evil unified whole that crawled out of hell to wreak havoc or something. All "gay youth" grow up into their own brand of "orthodoxy". The present is always a consequence of the past that came before it, and that past was a consequence of a later past, and so on for all of time.
Do you ever wonder why the gay adults of "the age" you keep focusing on were such bad role models?

>>8788825
this is such bullshit. You really need to get out more and interact with human beings in the real world instead of in comment sections on facebook and youtube. No one in their right mind is going to do anything to you for your opinions, especially when you're talking about how you have unextreme opinions on sexuality. The world isn't actually descending into fascism where free speech is being removed, you're just reading too many headlines.

>>8788965

I know I will get flamed for this but...

If you wanna live as a straight, go for it. You become what you do, no? Likewise, you can simply acknowledge your attraction and deal with it as you wish.

First, if you have no positive experience with females, go make some. Even straights strike out on this constantly, and thats when they make the effort at all. Every taste tends to be acquired this way. You cant subtract an attraction to males, but you can add to it.

A lot of gays reject this because it places a priority on values besides the wants of the self. But we have to remember that a lot of straight guys go through this as a matte of every day life, being with someone when they are more attracted to someone else.

Its hard for gays to accept, because they genuinely begin with no interest in females or the hetero lifestyle, which itself has become so hostile towards males. They dont see a reward. Moreover, they see losing something they really enjoy. So they make a choice to stay with what they know, and it is fine for them. Historically, they would at least try to keep up appearances, but we have become not so much immoral as morally lazy. When there is no cudgel to keep any sexual appetite in line from society, people will naturally do what they want. Its just a matter of what you want and why.

Shame is a problem because having natural thoughts or acting on them isn't a crime, but society has to demonize every vice regardless just to maintain its own identity. People find peace in consensus and that leaves some of us out. Mathematically, it couldn't be any other way. People like me find peace in accepting it just as if I had some handicap and had to deal with it. Others dwell in resentment over it, and I dont envy them. Constantly entertaining the judgement of others and being resentful about it is no better place to be than being ashamed of it. Both equally suck.

>>8789078

I choose what I do, and it gives me the power of responsibility. When you take responsibility, you dont have to fear the unknowns, because you get to ask yourself 'what could I do differently to change this?" Once you take control of your decisions and know you contribute to your outcome, you feel your own power to decide, whether you decide this or that. At least you know your hand isnt being forced.

I often refer people to the first two Noble Truths of Buddhism: 1. Life is sorrowful. When you just accept that life is about opposing every force in the universe set upon you to deny you endless peace, you dont have to fret about it. For some, its whether their coworkers mock their sexuality. For others, its finding a bowl of rice to stave off starvation. Everyone has some version of antagonism. Whether your coworkers mock you or you find a bowl of rice, you get to decide how you react to it. It IS perfectly natural to be unhappy about it, at least once. But the mind, or 'monkey mind' as Buddhists call it, is imperfect. So while it may be natural to be unhappy about it, it makes no sense to dwell on the things that make us unhappy in moments when it doesn't affect us UNLESS we are dwelling on it.

Which takes us to the second Noble Truth: The cause of all sorrow is desire. Even if we want perfectly normal things that we should want, we will be unhappy if we dont get them. Therefore, we are cautioned to conscientiously pick what we choose to want carefully.

I hope this was at all helpful.

>>8788965
This is how everyone feels before they come out. My advice to you is going to be useless because you have to work through this shit on your own. All I'm gonna say is that in a few years time you're going to have fully come to terms with your sexuality and you will be happy. No one is going to judge you. My biggest fear about coming out was the fear that people would start looking at me different but that wasn't the case. Your friends and family are going to continue to support and love you. Obviously you need to take your time and come out when you're ready. Just know that it will be the most relieving thing you've ever done.

>>8788586
>"I am what I am" was the anthem of the day.

This wasn't a statement on nature vs. nurture, it was simply "I am what I am."

Your general assertions about political correctness seem a bit dishonest - there was politically motivated support for guys like Socarides, too. Who won was not ultimately up to politics, and the embrace of homosexuality as something largely (or at least partially) innate once the science (whether or not you want to call it such) came around was itself a response to the claims by opposition that it was purely a choice (like murder or rape) and a bad habit which could simply be refrained from and thus could be justifiably banned.

Biologists were and still are genuinely intrigued by the relationship between genes and behavior - and biologists I know who don't flinch about pointing out when the media exaggerates the science behind things, nevertheless seem to lean towards a primarily biological explanation for both gay and trans phenomena. They aren't fixated on some sort of 'loss' in the culture wars, because it isn't what scientists are generally looking at.

You are right that these fields are underfunded, though - I've heard this complaint.

>>8788825
>Being gay isn't going to ruin your life anymore.

Not even slightly true - would be great if it were.

There are still kids who end up running away from home to avoid their parents who hold deeply conservative views on sexuality. There are still "wilderness camps" which cater to such parents. There is still funding, and there are still networks, which support these practices - in America. And that's one of the better places.

No one is going to kick you out or send you off to some messed up camp for contesting the "born this way" narrative. That's just retarded. I've talked to people on the easy side of the world who have no homes because they were born in the wrong house and wanted to fuck the wrong people.

literally what even are these posts
jfc

>>8789045

I take issue with some of the newer social initiatives that seem to demand others yield all established norms to accommodate a few. But that doesnt really burn me so much because I know these things work out eventually. Where I get a lot of flak is when it comes to science and reality, because its a lot of moving goal posts. I get especially frustrated when my own sense of reality is questioned through language.

>>8789059
>Do you ever wonder why the gay adults of "the age" you keep focusing on were such bad role models?

It's because of the endless sodomite hedonism of the 1950s I tells ya!

I got face fucked by a guy with a metal cockring on and now the insides of my lips are all cut up

>>8789095
>cockring

you also have aids, now

no joke, anon, you really should get tested in a month or so. blowjobs are usually safe, but not if you have a hunk of metal cutting up your mouth and making you bleed and giving an opening for the virus to enter your system.
a guy willing to put a hole in his dick is usually the sort who's not going to care much about diseases.

>>8789095
>>8789106

Actually, if I were you I'd run to my doctor and try and get that emergency exposure shit.

>>8789106
He was on prep. I found his pills. A cockring is also not a piercing.

>>8789059

I would only submit some cause and effect examples as proof. Otherwise it would get into finger pointing and I dont want to start hard feelings.

Perhaps we could agree that there was a cultural change, no? And it came from somewhere. Surely one would acknowledge that there were people, funded and organized, to create changes. We can also agree that money and politics are motivators that dont always put priority on the needs of others.

We could perhaps also agree that a cultural message was broadcast, and it would be mathematically probable that some would resist it, and that would set up internecine dissent.

If we can establish that, then it should be clear that an 'us and them' mentality formed. Often, these social forces share similar or parallel interests but aren't formally united. For example, take the meth and ecstasy outbreak in the circuit scene of the 90's. Now I could suggest that the cultural message of the day had motivations that did not account for the best future of youth, but some of it was honestly well intended however clumsily executed. Likewise, we can agree that people chasing the almighty dollar are not typically inclined to put the welfare of people first. People in the cigarette industry, for example, are not evil villains who wish to give you cancer. But there is a demand, and someone is going to fill it. This is how people feed their families.

So if you are running a club that prospers on hedonism at the same time youth are encouraged to celebrate socially fringed exhuberance, you can see how these two things can collide. What I mean is that I dont suggest the 'orthodoxy' was trying to get kids hooked and into prostitution and STD. Not at all. I am just saying it all resulted in a mess and the ones expected to have been socially responsible couldn't find incentive to get off the couch, pause their agenda and take a look at the disaster looming. No one wanted to clean up the mess, and a lot of lives were ruined over it.

>>8789115
prep is really useful when it's regular ol sex
not when your mouth gets cut the fuck up you dumb bitch
on second thought, dont get treatment, the fewer of you around the better

>>8789115
You still have moral aids

>>8789116

As I quoted in a previous thread, 'never first presume malice to something that can as easily be explained by incompetence.' As for evil, the worst kind of evil, in my experience, isnt from malice. The most destructive force is from people who honestly believe what they are doing is right. You cant reason with it. Its totally insensate to the effect it has.

As for:

>Do you ever wonder why the gay adults of "the age" you keep focusing on were such bad role models?

Not really. Its no mystery how things evolved. Again, you can look at the vice industry, specifically the commercialization of sex, including if not especially porn becoming the shared media outlet. Culture formation has mechanics that you can see and observe, and much of it in the 20th century was through media.

When porn became nationally distributed, for the longest, longest time it was the only media which 'gays' saw themselves and modeled off of it. Its where we get a lot of the niche behavior you still see today. People modeled their affect based on what they saw in porn as normalizing. Suddenly, we had niches with a lot more subscribers than previously, west coast modeling off east, rural from urban. The same message implied in a commercial that 'every house wife must have a dishwasher' isnt much different than 'I should act and dress like this to get the boys."

Commercializing these things is a social force to recognize. You dont have to like it, but we do have to acknowledge it exists.

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>>8789083

And I would agree that mainstreaming science media has a way of dumbing down the facts and selling a narrative.

I recall LeVay himself kvetching that the mainstream media grossly exagerated the implications of what his studies produced, stretching his theories to 'facts' with with preponderance he never meant to imply.

But its all through history, going back to Hirshfeld and before. The subject of deviant sexuality always draws enough interest to get published, and people love to intellectualize it as a form of sublimation. Eventually, especially the last few decades, graduates race and compete with each other to produce the most socially enticing, triggering bullshit they can arrange just to get professionally noticed, and eventually funded of course. If I wanted to produce a study suggesting a correlation between fellatio among men and chicken salad sandwiches, there is some ass-hat foundation somewhere that will bank roll me.

Funny that one can tell how close to lunch I am just by reading my analogies.

>>8789068
>this is such bullshit. You really need to get out more and interact with human beings in the real world instead of in comment sections on facebook and youtube. No one in their right mind is going to do anything to you for your opinions, especially when you're talking about how you have unextreme opinions on sexuality. The world isn't actually descending into fascism where free speech is being removed, you're just reading too many headlines.

Irony, anyone?

>>8789136
asos?

>>8789153
Horrible faded colours and cheesy pictures trying too hard to be funny. All I want is nice snug briefs with a cute pattern on it.

>>8789119
people on aids drugs have a higher life expectancy than normal people lmao

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>>8789159
these are cute and you can stretch in front of guys and they'll know you're gay

>>8789116
>So if you are running a club that prospers on hedonism at the same time youth are encouraged to celebrate socially fringed exhuberance, you can see how these two things can collide. What I mean is that I dont suggest the 'orthodoxy' was trying to get kids hooked and into prostitution and STD. Not at all. I am just saying it all resulted in a mess and the ones expected to have been socially responsible couldn't find incentive to get off the couch, pause their agenda and take a look at the disaster looming. No one wanted to clean up the mess, and a lot of lives were ruined over it.

A lot of lives were ruined via suppression before that. And this didn't magically vanish when 1990 came around. Gay culture had been underground for a long time, and this was still the case - its mixture with drug culture should not be particularly surprising. And meth and ecstasy (this one's not actually particularly bad) saw a general rise in the '90s - the former, at least, because it was cheap and easy to make compared to cocaine or marijuana during the war on drugs.

Tbh, take out the meth and I'd dig '90s gay culture making a comeback. People were still more afraid of AIDs then than they are now - although now we have PrEP, too, but that really came ''after'' barebacking became trendy again. What we've got now is prudish and boring - frankly I'd rather die dancing and fucking my ass off high as a kite than be sure that the entire scene was safe in every way. And it's pretty damn safe today, in a "gay bars get extra attention from cops still" kind of way. Youth today are too restrained as a general rule.

But that said - the disaster had already occurred - more than once, perhaps. And the gays had multiple problems on their plate, and they chose to address them. That they didn't all of them go after everything at once, is not so much a complaint as it is the nature of solving problems or putting any effort into anything. Like I could be curing cancer right now.

>>8789080

I've ever disagreed with the second noble truth.

The cause of sorrow is expectation, not desire. I desire many things I don't have and I'm not broken up about it because I never expected to have them. When I don't get something I expect to have, that's where problems start.

It's also where our culture fails the most. We're given great expectations and told that the world owes us everything. That everything we want is something we can expect to get. Desire without expectation isn't particularly horrible.

Also, I strongly believe that our use of the word happy to mean both "content in my life" and "moment of joy" causes a lot of our problems. Thought follows on from language as much as the opposite and I'm certain that the mixing up of those two concepts leads to a lot of misery. "I am not experiencing constant moments of joy unending so I guess my life kinda sucks"

>>8789152
>Being criticized for a false sense of Martyrdom is the same as having your life ruined

Not ironic at all - comes with the territory, I suspect.

>>8789083

To your point, I was speaking more regarding adults. Yeah, gay kids still have some bad shit happening. It's fucking nonsense. Being under the power of sometime else always leaves the opening for that power to be abused and it's horrible.

>>8789068

You've noticed all the riots in the last couple weeks over this, right?

so... looks like my best friend of 9 years is gonna become my fuck buddy

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>>8789171

I'm apparently the only person that likes these. Or so the 'experts' imply.

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>>8789178
>A lot of lives were ruined via suppression


How does that work?

My life is ruined because I can't advertise a hunger for cocks?

I'm going to be the one homo lynched out of millions because I got caught?

People are being attacked for being black or white. Its a dangerous premise to start re-writing societal norms with millenia of establishment.

If feminism has redounded to anti-male crusades, if subsidied racial justice redounds to whites being randomly targeted for violence, if tolerance of religion leads to jihads, genocides and persecution, what can we probably expect from advancing homosexuality as a norm?

All progressivism emanates from the premise that all of human history isnt as qualified to shape society as one generation of sheltered idealists with one decade or less of adult life experience.

Just asking for clarification of 'ruined'.

>>8789078
>I know I will get flamed for this
hehe

>>8787571
Into the oven with you.

>>8789244
you must like living dangerously.

>>8789233
Romance out of the question huh

Lots of guys say they chose being gay and that's fine, but I think some guys, an extremely small percentage, are so pretty that they basically have no choice but to turn into a cum dump and you can't even really say they chose it, society just watched them with such intensity that it happens. I've only ever known one guy in my life like that but it was a clear change. This guy was straight as they come, I mean he wasn't overly masculine but I knew him well and he simply had no interest in gay things beyond politics about it or something. But he's like the prettiest guy any of us have ever seen, the guys face is more like a woman than even this kids and he's in his late twenties. Back like five years ago he started talking about cross dressing hentai, and I knew what was about to happen. Over the years he has become more stereotypically gay than any gays that I know.

>>8789827
being gay is genetic.
it is not a choice.
nobody would choose to be a lonely, degenerate pariah.

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>tfw no qt hypebeast bf

WCIF boys like this to give and recive piggybacks with and kiss and cuddle?

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>>8789861

You dont choose your attractions.

You do choose what you put in your mouth, whether or not you will make a habit of it, whether or not you will even attempt making a family, and how you respond to social criticism for it.

Its not someones fault if they like cheese-stuffed pork chops in chocolate sauce.

It is their fault if they enjoy them enough to cast off societys standards, shrug at salad and cozy up to the buffet until they are 320 pounds.

Its fine to claim you dont have a choice about what you like unless you are presenting it as having no choice about what you do.

>>8789827
>>Being gay isn't going to ruin your life anymore.

Dunno if you read the entire thread but I'm the guy who realized I'm into dudes at 30+

I was a posterboy femboy in my youth, only got skinny during puberty (earlier I was chubby and took asthma corticosteroids as a kid, never liked to eat). I went to this one chicks house once at age about 20 and I had long hair and her mom was like whos that girl.

I often kek to myself how insanely jealous of me the trannies of this board would be and even now I'm a solid twunk, although test has finally shaped my face beyond any redemption in that way. I get attention from chicks these days like never before. Wont post pics.

Still I never felt any dysphoria, nothing for men, people (only girls cared about this) thought I'm gay and then for lack of evidence decided I was asexual which for a time I think I was.

I feel like this is something in the brain like a spring, that it was always there but dormant. Maybe if I was successful with the girls I wanted it would have never triggered. I know Freud was often full of shit but he had some interesting ideas there.

I watch my dad since we're so similar mentally and he's very old now and still checking out every chick out on the street discreetly. And yet I cant help but wonder if there isn't something about him that under the right circumstances would have gone this way as well. In this nature vs nurture row I feel like nobody is really spot on at this point and the whole thing is more complicated than that.

>all this thread about confused people, culture/nurture debate
tldr. we're all a little bit bi.

>>8789923
>30+
>I'm a solid twunk,

>>8789171
where do you get em?

>go on grindr
>sluts
>go on dating app
>adventurous sluts
ummmmmmmmmmmmm

>>8789271
>what can we probably expect from advancing homosexuality as a norm?
collapse of the western civilization no less
of course
why are you asking such obvious answers S M D H

>>8790195
the obvious answers are usually wrong

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>>8789923

Aww fug, I'm 27 and you're saying my face is gonna get more masc? I look like a 16 year old girl anon I don't wanna change

Did ur face change a lot after 27?

>>8790223

I dont know when it happened, I'd say 30

I grow beard fast as fuck and moustache finally connected to the beard. As much as I might get hated on this I also have far more of a manly jaw now. I LOVE how I look and that manly mature thing happened in the last two years (I'm 32)

Even so people are generally startled when I reveal my age, supposedly I look 25 or so. This when some of my friends get taken for 40 year old men.

Its only a shame about the discovering an attraction to dudes while losing what I had for women thing but oh well, trying to shove stuff up my ass right now

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HOW OUR HEARTS SING IN THE CHAOS!

>>8790321
>spending all that time and effort just to reach the 5% of actual good content
what did xivfags mean by this

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Give me one good reason you aren't going to the gym and watching your macros.

>>8790340

Might require a bit of time if you count all the hours leading up to that, but effort? Not really.

>>8790340

I mean the game is fun. Sorry you have a wow problem.

>>8790371
I'm busy with school and I don't have time to spare on caring about getting fit at the moment.
I'm good with just doing my regular exercises and eating "healthy" right now.

After I grad and get a good job I can just hire a trainer to care about that crap for me.

>>8790594
>I mean the game is fun
xiv-kun, would you just shut up already

>>8790622

No you tranny.

>>8790641
>plays xiv
>calls others tranny
that'll be another $15 so you can erp with your cuntboy friend~

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Id rather play guild wars 2 over 14

>>8790260

I don't think my chin can possibly get more masc than it is and I basically don't grow facial hair or at least it takes forever also I don't get body hair do u have body hair?

Also how did u find out u liked guys

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>>8790650
Sophisticated taste.

>>8790650

Just play Guild Wars 1, vastly better than both, though you couldn't pay me to go back to GW2.

>>8790674
GW1 was a diablo clone not an mmorpg sweetie it's time you get your facts right you kamadan slut.
Also if you just stopped your xiv sub you could effectively pay yourself to play other mmos~

>>8790674
I have 1 and 50 HoM points. I've exhausted my time there. The only people left are Germans

>>8790684
are you fucking retarded

>>8790693
Meant for >>8790594

>>8790684

>GW1 a diablo clone

What, they're not alike at all, I'll give you GW1 wasn't exactly an MMO, but I wouldn't call it very similar to diablo. Unfortunately there's not really any other MMO's I want to play, hoping Pantheon turns out good, but not hyping myself up for that.

>>8790688

Yeah that's understandable, I just grew tired of GW2 fast, had barely any of the things that made GW1 unique and the combat was terrible along with constantly adding in temporary living story stuff instead of actual content.

>>8790684
>>8790693
Anet's description is cooperative rpg. Instanced zones with hub outposts

>>8790699
nope
retard

>>8790704

That doesn't make it a diablo clone though.

>>8790700
>I wouldn't call it very similar to diablo
It's an exaggeration for the most part but it leans closer to arpgs than mmos largely in part due to the heavy instancing and npc hero teams. All it was really missing was a spin2win skill while moving and we'd be set.

>>8790707
Meant for >>8790707

>>8790714

Yeah I would have been fine if you said arpgs, that is more along the lines of GW1, it's not a traditional MMO by any means, but that was a good thing for it.

>>8790728
>Yeah I would have been fine if you said arpgs
Yeah but then I wouldn't have all these ez (You)s.
It was fun though and its nice they haven't shut it down like other games.

>>8790159
people like having sex. you're the outlier.

>>8789827
you sound crazy sis

>>8790736
getting (You)s is easier than you make it seem

>>8790736

Yeah, but it's still a shame GW1 essentially died so that GW2 could live. I tried to like GW2, but it just felt so lackluster and I ended up getting bored with it, didn't help that they refused to push out meaningful content.

Dear 8790742,

Honestly don't even know what you're talking about but sure.

>>8790749
>Dear 8790742,
What...in the actual fuck is this...

>>8790748
It's still pretty alive though, especially for something that old. Although bots are really common especially due to HoM farming.
Trying to like GW2 after is an impossibility though, they're just two entirely different genres. I enjoy it primarily because I enjoy Tera (and never could really get too into wow) and that sort of combat, but it's easy to see why GW1 vets had such a hard time.
Would be nice to see a spinoff going back to arpg roots but pipe dreams.

>guild wars

Go back to the discord shitter

>>8790764

It wasn't even just me being from GW1, I didn't play nearly as much GW1 as my friend did, even without comparing it to GW1 I still found GW2 to be boring and shallow. The combat was one of the weakest I've ever played in an MMO where pretty much the best build to go is or was pure damage. They tried to do something new by taking the holy trinity out, but they didn't replace it with anything suitable. It might have changed over time, but for the first 6-8 months the combat was terrible.

HoT had an ingesting idea with the jungle but ended up a confusing mess. The desert will hopefully be a better experience. Plus my main class is getting an amazing new style

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Can girls even be straight, holy fuck?

I've turned so many "bi girl xD"s from tinder and bumble as a cis female.

I'm convinced the "straight girls are just a meme" is just a meme.

>>8790774
There's a soft trinity now in place, but first impressions are everything. Can't fix that without a huge marketing blowout and anet has always been trash at those https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noh81HcovYY

>>8790778
Elona is undoubtedly much better as an expansion setting. I'm only in it for the mounts though t b q h

>>8790753
a good post, you bitch.

>>8790791
Well there's better support roles but tanking is still kind of iffy since taunts aren't that common

What to do when you're unbelievably bored by someone yet crave their presence 24/7 even though you're terribly repulsed by them when you're together

>>8790791

Yeah and like I was saying the other thing that pissed me off was the constant addition of the shitty living story updates, only actual new content I got when I played was fractals. Main story also got kind of bad near the end, they always try to shove their OC donut steel sylvari race into everything.

>>8790813
Tanking is based on toughness (and some other factors that are kind of weird like who is downed) not so much taunts even though they do exist - most bosses have defiance bars which means until they're broken, taunts mean nothing but yeah it's still not as hardset as holy trinity.

>>8790815
Cheat

>>8790817
True. The LS is much better now but it's still really forced and the decisions made are top cringe. Now though you get fucked by playing anything but a human.

>in a relationship with a woman
>primarily attracted to dudes but not really into gay dudes if that makes sense
>figure I can handle being with a woman well enough tho
>fast forward years
>in love with gf, she's the best friend I've ever had, so happy to be with her
>but also can't be around men I find attractive without wanting to curl up into a ball and cry my heart out over the life I'll never share with an attractive and emotionally compatible man

Haha why is life so terrible lmao why

>>8790879
>>>/bigen/

>>8790889
I'm not attracted to women beyond the typical "hey this person looks nice" type appreciation people can have towards attractive people that they wouldn't want to have sex with.

>>8790895
You just said you fell in love with a woman.

>>8790943
Yeah but I'm not attracted to her. I don't enjoy having sex with her.

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>Meet someone on grindr
>Get their discord ID
what now

>>8790946
And yet you're in a relationship with her on purpose? You sound like a loser and a jerk and you almost certainly won't find empathy here because what you've been doing is stupid.

>>8790879
This is my ideal relationship. well except for the you wanting to cry your eyes out part. have you ever tried explaining it to her? maybe she'll understand.

>>8791108
ghost them

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>>8791166
>you almost certainly won't find empathy here

But he did. See, not everyone here is unfamiliar with the concept of sacrifice or priorities.

The amount of bawling itt over some presumed entitlement to dicks is insane. People act like if they cant get hot and cold running dick when they want, they are being subject to some inhumane torture.

My favorite is the amount of fags who are convinced they can turn a man 'gay' (which seems to have a lot in common with fat chicks getting men drunk), then claim he already was, while screeching in horror at the idea of even being asked to try the opposite sex or make a sacrifice for reproduction as though the expectation of social responsibility was equal to being subject to gang rape and brutal torture.

Its a pussy, not Cthulhu. If some of you found a female on the other side of a glory hole, I think you would demand reparations and therapy.

Its not that gays arent interested in vagoo thats offensive. Its that some have the audacity to feign moral outrage at the proposition of it while mewwing day and night that straight men should have no hesitation in experimenting.

The hell with this. Im writing my congressman. We can have the camps finished by January and the ovens operational by April. I've had enough of this nonsense. I wonder what the Bat Signal for Mike Pence is. Lightning, I presume.

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>boyfriend proposes open relationship out of nowhere after 1.5 years
>feels as though he hasn't experienced enough sexual variety
>promises he won't pursue other relationships if i'm not comfortable with the idea
so do i drop him now or what

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>>8791226

>I wonder what the Bat Signal for Mike Pence is

>>8791236
dude same shit happened to me.

Drop it, he has someone else / several other people on his mind and he wants to shop for dick.
You could say yes and make it a context to see who can get the most / best encounters.

Best case is that he regrets it after a while and wants it to be closed again. But at that point all emotions are likely dead for you.

Sorry straight male here I have a negative opinion to lesbians because I had a girlfriend you left me for one and funny enough who she left me for was another girl I dated that's the problem with having no friends how to I change my views(formerly know as hentai)

>>8791236

This is whats fascinating about the gay belief about relationships between men.

This is what they are. You're thinking something is about to end that never was. Alternately, this is it. This is what is shown over and over and over and over and over again to be the product of male-male sexuality, or just male sexuality really. Yet no matter how obvious, every gay wants to pretend those moments in time before a guy moves on is proof that relationships exist just because the inevitable future hasn't happened yet.

Its gonna be such a big laugh when the longitudinal studies of gay marriage come out and everyone sees what a joke it was.

Cheer up, friend. This was as good as it gets. He probably likes you as much as he ever did or could. Married couples have to be ratified by third party law precisely because these feelings naturally change or end, and you aren't even there yet or he wouldn't have had the compassion to ask.

Drop him or dont, it doesnt matter. Thats the point. Its the same outcome regardless. You're not losing anything or saving it. This is exactly what it is to interpret sexual interaction between men as 'relationships'. At some point, too late Im sure, gays will finally get it through their heads that if the power of romance isnt enough to save straight marriages without legal consequences, then wtf did you really expect without them.

>>8791264

Sorry, this is gaygen, where we have been plotting the final solution to the eternal lesbian question for years.

If you want to learn empathy for the Sapphos beast, you will have to go to lesgen.

>>8791291
Thank you kindly

>>8791275
>tl;dr: my parents were shitty and got divorced because of it and now I'm jaded and cynical because that's how I was raised to be

sucks for you
you should hire a therapist to read these novels though, you'd get a lot more out of it.

>>8791236
>i am uncomfortable with thing
>what do i do
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>8791226
Fuck off. We're not planning to have children, I'm not making a sacrifice for reproduction or some meaningless social responsibility.
>>8791187
What part of my relationship seems ideal except for our emotional compatibility? Sex plays a big part in relationships, moreso than most people realize, and although I'm pretty sure she's satisfied with our sex life I'm not.
>>8791166
Don't see how me being with her makes me a jerk when she's happy being with me. I don't cheat on her. Even though I so desperately desire to be with a man I stay faithful and dedicated to her, I don't even let her know I feel this way(tho over the years I think she's picked up on it to an extent).

>>8791371
no he wouldn't you just want to defer the responsibility

>love arabs and russians
>they hate gays

why do the hottest males hate homosexuality

>>8791629
find one that doesnt it really isnt that difficult a bunch of them use apps because they cant really afford to just hit on people irl

>>8791433
I have no responsibility to strangers on the internet.

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Quick I need help

Male or female?

>>8791430
gay guy x girl is otp

>>8791743

The girl having milk poured over her tongue? Yeah, she's obviously a girl, you soft prick.

Now I want to see that with a Catboy btw so thanks, mate.

>>8791743
Look up BeckytheBoy on tumblr.
>>8791766
Its a trap.

>>8791743
retarded arms & only a slutboy would think this picture is a good idea

>>8791743
definitely looks like a girl imo. I feel threatened that boys can be that pretty.

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>>8791774
>Its a trap.

Like... like an mtf, not an actual cis male with a penis they don't resent, right?

>>8781952
>gay general
>trannies
>trannies
>trannies
>trannies

>>8791743
What is that abomination it truly is a trap

>>8791226
Asking other people to give up core parts of their external life identity in order to validate your own insecurities isn't self-sacrifice. It's bizarre to mention empathy in your response and then reduce women into non-autonomous beings.

Also, if you're not disgustingly ugly you can get mediocre dick literally anywhere. If you're disgustingly ugly you can get mediocre kink dick literally anywhere.

>>8791629
Danger.

>>8791433
The idea that anything we can say on 4chan could help anyone is bizarre.
Anyone who feels truly helped by a post here could have been helped more almost anywhere else.

>>8792306
>Anyone who feels truly helped by a post here could have been helped more almost anywhere else.
Where else knows AGP better?

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>>8781983
Black people shampoo and conditioner is great. I started using African Pride all in one shampoo and conditioner after my friend in prison came from the gym and had this beautiful silky hair. And he said he just used that shampoo and conditioner.
I've started using it since then and it really is the fucking best.

>>8792386
He was a ginger English white guy btw with bone straight hair. It just didn't look as beautiful until he used that shampoo.

>>8791430

>We're not planning to have children,

So she has to settle for a fag that isnt into her, you spend day and night obsessing over dick and society gets zilch.

Therefore this whole thing really is about shame and appearances.

This has to be the most weak-willed, shallow thing I've heard of in years. I'd have more respect if you were a whore. As least they dont bullshit themselves about who they are or the world they live in.

Whats it like knowing their are girls ten years younger than you that come out of the box with more balls than you as a man have achieved in three decades?

Your woman's shame isnt that she is with a fag. Its that you've made her a lesbian by being a tranny waiting to happen, mark my words. You might become a hon, you might not be the prettiest girl at the bar, but that dress is getting closer and closer.

Any port in a storm. I'd bet cash money you both have low personal standards. You're not in love. You're both in fear of having even less social regard alone than you present together.

>>8789736
he's biscum and he said he could never get into a relationship with a guy
also I have 2 potential guys that I wanna go out with so this is just gonna some fun we have whenever

why don't blonde twinks exist in real life?

This is by far the worst thread on 4chan right now. You people are more jaded than r9k.

>>8792335
whatever that horrible hon website is. sarah's? whatever.

>>8792415
literally what i said sis

>>8792476
they probably just avoid you

>>8792486
thanks

>>8792453
>tfw biscum, much more into guys but can't commit to disappointing my religious family
>tfw too self aware and guilty about being biscum to force another guy to put up with me

>>8791629
Funny, I got sexually harassed by both an Arab and a Russian who were friends who both claimed they aren't gay.
It's easy to find an Arab or a Russian to put their dick inside you with their self-loathing homophobic "it's not gay if you top" attitude.
It is probably a lot harder to find a hot Arab or Russian who will take your dick in their tight virginal holes though.
I suppose you could just drug one up with G though.
If you're a bottom, I don't see what problem you're having in finding a Russian or an Arab to fuck you.

>tfw no gay husband to cook meals for

>>8792610
>tfw no gay husband to cook me meals

>>8792563
>"it's not gay if you top


Its not.Its incidentally homosexual, but it doesnt mean they suddenly prefer males.

There is no such thing as a homosexual or heterosexual man.These are adjectives of behavior, they dont constitute people.

You can say a man has homosexual interest, or had a homosexual encounter, or has habitual homosexual or heterosexual behaviors that are specifically sexual. But a person cannot become 'homosexual' incarnate. Confusion emerges because people like to blur the terms for three reasons at least: 1, To deliberately muddle terms to achieve an end premise without having to justify it with explanation, 2. Genuine innocent sloppiness of language and 3. Many people have been honestly lead to believe that homosexuality is some sort of physiological composite of a human being, as though it were albinoism or some visibly definable medical diagnosis. Having homosexual interest doesnt 'make' you a homosexual any more than being a vegan means you need chlorophyll to live.

Two recurring themes we see in male mentality is that they will screw anything they view as pretty, willing and available, and its usually a '2 out of 3' proposition. The farmer who screws sheep or the priest that screws kids didnt likely wake up the first day they did it and already be attracted to them. They learned it after the experience. We have standards precisely because there is so much common behavior beneath them. Standards have to be kept, they dont just spring out of the ether.

Second, male psychology, if you dig into the values that are required to have a mind 'tick' in a way that we would call 'masculine' has a contempt for the weak built into it. So males naturally develop a contempt for whatever they can wrangle their dick into. Sometimes its conscious, sometimes not, but the formula is always there. So females or homos, the contempt is always right beneath the surface, regardless of which.

>>8792610
H S T S
S
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>>8792636

"Gay" by contrast, is a cultural identity. You have to announce this identity, or if you are exposed, people will label you anyways, regardless of your views or wishes, so it is as much an identity as it is a scarlet letter to brand the person. Likewise, it is a pejorative. The majority are the consensus that form language, so if most of society prefers heterosexuality, it doesnt matter what term you come up with. If you coined as euphemism the word 'oatmeal' to mean a male that likes dicks, signed up for oatmeal pride and showcased oatmeal history, then the word 'oatmeal' would still become both a politically correct term for sodomite while the majority would continue to use it as a pejorative. No matter what term you invent, it will be used the same way. To this day, people still use the term 'gay' to mean 'lame, weak, or corny'. It would be the same with any euphemism.

So it follows that much of the modern world outside the West and through history made a distinction between men who use homosexuals in the same way as they would use prostitutes, which is how homosexuals are compared in most ways morally, and the men that actually liked to sexually pleasure other men. Not surprisingly, once said men pass the pretty years, they are viewed with more contempt because they are no longer useful even as courtesans. In this way, homosexuality takes on a generational quality that mimics some aspects of heterosexual culture.

>>8792639

... In such cultures, the topic of homosexuality maintains distinction in roles. A man who is the penetrator is shamed for lowering his moral standards to penetrating a male, regardless of the preferences of the one being penetrated, and the moral crime is seen as one of vice. However the masculinity is not compromised. If anything, it may be elevated to what might be considered abnormally virile. The same contempt for the passive male would be seen here as 'homophobia', or 'internalized homophobia' to explain the implied paradox, just as that contempt for females is repackaged as 'institutional misogyny'.

By contrast, the male who actually seeks to pleasure other males is viewed with an exceptionally more remarkable degree of contempt, because he has not only abandoned his gender role, but his presumed consent is what makes the corruption of the other man possible, in the same way as a prostitute or 'slut' offers sex without expectation of commitment that other women must undergo to stay respectable. The 'bottom' is seen as the corruptor, and the gender atypical.

In our language, there is deliberate confusion to actively associate any random male who inserts himself into a male with the same term to mean the one who is necessarily attracted to males while the male being serviced may have no more interest in males as a type than any other fat chick, prostitute or skank he might use. Men can get off to rubber cylinders; the idea that orgasm must indicate attraction is an absurdity sold to idiots to advance an equally idiotic premise.

>>8792646

... Its a cheap ploy, and it comes at a price. The premise is that if you include any male who will screw anything pretty, available and willing as the second half of any homosexual encounter as having the same orientation by gender as the bottom, then you can double the number of people with that label and claim they are simply lying about their preference despite all other factors and evidence, and thereby claim they are 'in a closet' because they wont agree to this hijacking of their personal identity. It also serves as a pathetic way to appropriate their masculinity into a group of gender atypical males to imply those males can be masculine also just by sharing the label.

The price is that such men will naturally resent being associated with the same people they use for sex, which they would naturally consider weaker or submissive, which is then assumed about them. So all the men who dont mind using such a male, unlike other cultures, are forced to distance themselves. The result is a bunch of 'gays' wondering where all the real 'tops' have gone after literally just calling any man who would have them by the same term we use for 'weak, lame and corny'. They are literally compared with 'faggots' and then people wonder why there are few actual tops around that dont act like queens.

As the modern West infiltrates other cultures, notably Latin America where machismo still reigns, this attempt to include such men into the new agitation for 'gay rights' has only caused more animus and backlash, and we can expect to see more as another culture is undermined for the advancement of social justice lawyers. This is the result of tolerance of the modern Western culture, not so much any group. In Islamic countries, homosex is as rampant if not moreso, but such an attempt at equivocation would likely quickly result in decapitation, for they have no such tolerance of word games by lawyers and activists.

>>8792648
why are you pasta-ing an essay?

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>>8792650

1. Its not pasta. Yet.
2. I may have post-modern form of digital hypergraphia. Writing and thinking are the same thing to me.
3. I wake up every day with a renewed commitment to ensuring the world realizes how much smarter I am. For example, you had no idea there was such a thing as hypergraphia until now; but I did. Someone somewhere will feel compelled to look it up, acquire knowledge and become smarter.

Because of me. That's the effect I have on the population. To deny humanity the light of my wisdom would be tantamount to advocating their enslavement by ignorance. Which makes me quite the humanitarian.

tl;dr- You're welcome.

>>8792668
did you type it all at once or were you working at that speed a minute?

>>8792668

I'm not gonna read it because u are a ass

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>>8789827

can I get some more posts on this cause it is true. Some ppl ( less than 1% ) really are beyond gender and I want more posts on this cause it is true

>>8792715
What's with the pizza ad?

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how to get bf?

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>>8792742
>Use Tinder or Grindr
>Find people your age
>Talk about what they do in their free time to get a sense of who they are
>As time goes on ask them if they got a steam/telegram/kik/discord
>As you start chatting on a platform outside of hookups it feels more natural and like you are building a more civil / friend-like connection
If you play your cards right, if you decide to meet irl, it'll likely be hanging out and having fun. Maybe sex.

>>8791264

Lesbians are awful and ruin gayness, as far as I can see. I'm a straight guy who asked a question here earlier and have continued lurking because it's interesting and my only thought was "if I'd gone to lesbians to ask about eating girls out they'd have told me to start all foreplay by reading her poems about smashing the patriarchy"

Gay guys have fun in their lives. Lesbians suck the fun out of everything they come near out of some kind of leftover subconscious urge to suck SOMETHING. Basically your feelings are entirely rational.

>>8792836

Shut the fuck up and fuck off. What's a "straight" bloke doing deciding who makes gayness fun? You're a mong and no one likes you.

>>8792842

I decided for me, not for you bruh. Maybe you love hanging out with lesbians. Maybe you see that their influence on recent culture has been really positive. I dunno. I'd say everything I've seen has been the opposite. I don't 'decide' for anyone else. Just observing that they seem to be leading the charge for all this social justice nonsense that forces everyone onto eggshells and periodically ruins someones life for using the wrong pronoun or expressing a 'bad' opinion. I don't see a lot of gay dudes at the forefront of this shit, frankly.

And fuck you, my mom likes me, even though I'm straight.

>>8792851
tl;dr
cunt

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>>8792742

Wait for cars to pull up and park under the over-pass. Its good for about 20 minutes, so if you want one 24 hours a day, you'll need to do it about 72 times a day. Usually an hour or two is enough for most people.

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>>8791371

>facts lol

>>8792415
Nah

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>(((Big guys)))

>>8792981
Does it even work to just have nothing but your name asking for big dick only?

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>>8793143

Probably

>>8792716

Uh what

Cmon this is jnterdesrajng vecaus @trans@ might exist but at conplepe opposite to what it means now

Trans is short for transFORM!! 4m.

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>>8792981

How did your first time go?

I'm bi but I've never had any kind of sexual contact with a man before. I'm headed to Europe for a while and I want to change this with some cute French boys

>>8793327
i hope you like BAC

New thread

>>8793487