Tranny Day Camp for Preschoolers

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>>8691159
It's probably just full of cis kids in makeup and fake-GNCs rather than actual early trans (there's a different, tightly regulated summer camp in a secret location that caters to that).

I'm I tranny and a part of /tttt/ I guess, I wouldn't defend this, your too young to make those kind of decisions at such a yong age and the ones that do have disporia need to talk to psychologists not enter leftist echo chambers

>>8691188
Is that really a good thing?

>>8691188
GNC?

>>8691200
Gender non conforming

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>>8691159
What's wrong with letting children explore gender roles

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>>8691196
We'll they're people that have already gone through the medical evaluatory process of early transitioning and defining legitimacy... the transitioners here for whatever reason think that early trans are stacies and chads who are beloved by there peers and flawlessly assimilate, when it's the actual opposite. Early trans are more socially oppressed than late transitioners. Hence the need for early trans only socializing.

>>8691205
>Daddy's Lil Monster

>>8691213
But is it safe for kids that young to start medical transition, I can get behind 14 onward but I'm not sure that putting kids though this process especially at a time where it's became a trend is a good idea, but yeah I can understand the good socialisation can do but I'm not sure the lgbt community is so good for kids

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>>8691205
What did trannies mean by this?

>>8691159
>El Cerrito

That place is very accepting of people of many walks of life! It's so nice they are putting the kids thru this.

>>8691205

Fucking shota traps

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>>8691239

>>8691227
No one at that age is undergoing medical transition, it's purely crossdressing, nothing more. The camp is basically for them to be to explore their gender identities at a younger age, if they decide that they truly are trans, then upon the onset of puberty in their early teens, they'll be given hrt.

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>>8691486

>its fine to drug confused kids as long as they are 11

Please separate LGB from T

this instant.

Thoughts on Jazz Jennings? She will likely be stuck with her micropenis for life since there is not enough tissue to invert into a pseudo-vagina.

>>8691159
>/tttt/ will defend this
what the fuck do you think this is, tumblr?

>>8691579
Hopefully Jazz will have a long and happy enough life to wait for better procedures.

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>>8691675
You know that Suporn's technique is specially designed for that type of penis, right? It exists *now* and early trans use it all the time.

Also inversion doesn't create depth capable of sex anyways which for some reason is the main complaint of transitioners here "defending" Jazz.

>>8691686
Wait so if inversion doesn't create enough depth what does?

>>8691727
Nothing, nuvag depth and sex is just a meme and an exaggeration done by people who have tried it.

>>8691733
Even if you have some of your colon repurposed?

Are you saying trans can't have sex with their pseudo-vaginas?

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>>8691744
You'd have to talk to the people here that have tried it but yes, nuvag ability regardless of the type of surgery is vastly exaggerated.

>>8691758

Not really. If anything, it's made out to be worse than it actually is.

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...Has anyone else noticed that one of the kids in the picture is apparently named Nugget?

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>>8691871

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>>8691159
I hate tranny-enablers so much.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/18/de-blasio-fine-businesses-wrong-gender-pronouns/
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/court-orders-dad-to-start-treating-his-11-year-old-daughter-as-a-boy1
http://dailysignal.com/2017/06/19/canadians-face-hate-crimes-using-wrong-gender-pronouns/

>>8691188
>cis
Shut up, you are part of the problem.

>>8691191
You would defend this. By denying it's a disorder you allowed this crap to happen to children.

>>8691205
Kill yourself

>>8691227
No it's not safe. Holy shit, you are so bent on pushing your mental illness you don't care about ruining children's lives. You are scum. Truly disgusting.

>>8691213
>legitimacy
There is nothing legitimate about transitioning, you hack.

>>8691579
This post was pretty sane until you referred to Jazz as a "she".

>kids are allowed to wear different clothes and experiment with different pronouns
>4chan throws a hissyfit, probably because they were jealous their parents didn't let them do this before

as expected

>>8691675
>Hopefully Jazz will have a long and happy enough life to wait for better procedures.
He won't because you crazies drove him into a illness he can't recover from now.

>>8692659
>>8692666
>mentally-ill man in drag mad that people are calling out the agenda and brainwashing of childen
Stay salty, Xir. You will never be a woman.

>those trips
Really fitting for someone like you.

>>8691579
>zinna
why do trans people always pick the stupidest names.

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>>8691159
>who tf names their kid nugget

proud cis women who look like pic related

>>8692646
You seem triggered. Transitioning is the widely agreed upon treatment for gender dysphoria, doesn't matter if a few biased(and likely bought out) doctors disagree, they're of the minority opinion and their stances are usually based off 'muh feels, trannies make me upset'. It's not right to deny a child access to the treatment for their medical condition just because you personally think it's icky.

>>8692677
>why do stupid people do stupid things?

>>8692646
what do you care of some kid wants to cross dress for Halloween?

>>8691159
>transgender and "gender fluid" children
This reeks of politics and exploitation. Instead of these faghags letting their kids figure themselves out, they force it onto them so they have something to virtue signal about.

wtf

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>>8692690
>You seem triggered.
Lol, that's rich coming from an entire group of delusionals who get mad when people call them the correct (not the "wrong" as you would say) pronoun.

>Transitioning is the widely agreed upon treatment for gender dysphoria
Only trannies and their enablers buy this meme.

>doesn't matter if a few biased(and likely bought out) doctors disagree, they're of the minority opinion
>if they don't pander to my narrative they ar ebiased
LOL

>and their stances are usually based off 'muh feels, trannies make me upset'
Lol, this is trans "science" in a nutshell.

>It's not right to deny a child access to the treatment for their medical condition just because you personally think it's icky.
It's not right to abuse and ruin children's bodies and lives just because you can't accept that you're a man, sweetie.

Kill yourself

>>8692694
>why do you care if some dad is forcing his kid into crossdressing to virtue signal

>>8692705
why do people only care if this happens to cis people but never to trans people?

>>8692661
Sorry, meant he. My bad.

>>8692714
Why do trannies use the word "cis" as if they think it doesn't make anything they say discredited?

Also are you implying not enabling delusions is comparable to forcing a kid to crossdress?

>>8692719
That's okay anon. At least you realised your mistake.

>>8691579
Thanks to these crazies I'm now gonna have to do research about any girl I date to make sure they are actually women.

>>8691649
>what the fuck do you think this is, tumblr?
Lol, this place is tumblr: the board.

>>8692727
the only delusion here is your delusion that bullying weird people online will beat them into normalcy

>>8692736
Most people are are anti-sjw and anti-nonbinary.
fuck off back to >>>/pol/

>>8692739
>not humouring delusions is "bullying"
Do you call anorexic people fat? If not you are just an ignorant, cis-weight, anorexophobic bigot! You are not welcome in the current year and will be on the wrong side of history!

>>8692742
>Most people are anti-sjw and anti-nonbinary.
From the looks of this thread and very board that is a lie.

>fuck off back to >>>/pol/
Not enabling delusions isn't /pol/. Stay triggered, tumblr.

>>8692646
People like you are the ones hurting children. You make their lives hell. Your kind leaves a trail of broken, suicidal kids in their wake due to your pathological hate. Get your mental illness fixed before you hurt more people.

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>>8692744
thank ya for convince me anon i should of known it was this easy mamas taken me back since i abandoned my fagoty ways and now i'm going up to mike pence's electro fun house to get all the fagot out of me.

>>8692802
>People like you are the ones hurting children. You make their lives hell.
No, I'm not the one encouraging impressionable children to spiral downward into health-damaging hormones, mutilation surgery and psychosis , so wrong.

>Your kind leaves a trail of broken, suicidal kids in their wake due to your pathological hate.
I'm not a tranny, so wrong again.

>Get your mental illness fixed before you hurt more people.
It's hilarious how as you get more triggered you outright say what you kind do to people and project it onto people who trigger you. So self-unaware.

>>8692807
Nice strawman, snowflake.

>>8692682
>proud cis women who look like pic related
So she looks like the average tranny?

>>8692819
>I'm not a tranny, so wrong again.
You're probably a repressor. Why else would you be so interested in trannies?

>>8692833
If people hate spiders, does that mean they secretly wish to be spiders?

>>8692819
what are you talking about i'm agreeing with you?

>>8692837
It is common for repressors to say they hate trannies. Some have admitted to being anti-trans shitposters after they break down.

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>>8692837
No but it means they secretly want to fuck spiders.

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>>8692844
I'm gay and I hate trannies for being gay but not admitting it. Trans is internalized homophobia as well as a form of gay erasure.

>>8692851
Is this you again? I think you're repressing.

>>8692843
Your implying anyone who doesn't support the trans-agenda is some religious Trumptard who believes in gay conversion therapy.

>>8692833
>if you don't enable trannies you are a tranny
Only transgenders could be this mentally-retarded.

>>8692844
Circlejerking with your buddy doesn't make your conspiracy theories true.

>>8692851
Here's the thread for you:
>>8680997

>>8692851
That picture btw is exactly the kind of picture repressors like to use to convince themselves that transitioning is impossible because they'd be hopeless hons.

>>8692867
i think the funniest thing is that the girl on the right actually doesn't have a nose as opposed to the girl on the left. This is how they make her look more feminine lmaooo

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>>8692854
yes there are some unenlightened that hold silly beliefs like non electricity based therapy.
but i thought you of all people would understand us holy souls have a duty to shepherd the dumb tranny sheep towards the lord.

>>8692896
You're not funny. You have no counter-argument so you strawman anyone who won't push your narrative.

>>8692894
>the girl on the left.
There is no girl on the left

>>8692917
well she's clearly a trans woman so yeah there's a girl on the left

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>>8692908
what are you talking about "funny" i'm just trying show my support for your cause. and i don't know who this strawman fella is you keep talking about is?

>>8692941
>well she's clearly a trans woman
So he's a man

>>8692949
You're an idiot.

>>8691579
>do this
>complain about "trans panic" killings

Sigh

>>8692953
and yet you responded.

>>8692965
What's your point?

>>8692981
I was fucking with you i don't really care about these "arguments" because they happen every fucking day on this board. you have the right to argue with people as much as you want but i also have the right to be a third party laughing at everyone and you talking about how all the trannys are getting triggered while you your self are getting angry at some stupid posts i was making.

and to answer your question it's stupid to feed a troll.

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>>8693006
>but i also have the right to be a third party laughing at everyone and you talking about how all the trannys are getting triggered while you your self are getting angry at some stupid posts i was making.
Pic related.

>and to answer your question it's stupid to feed a troll.
Just because the truth triggers this board doesn't mean saying it is trolling.

I think this trollanon might be the same one who's been posting over in /repgen/. Yes, I think I'm right that he's a repressor.

>>8693019
you know for some one who complains about strawmen you certainly love them.

also i was saying you were feeding a troll.

>>8693019
In what way are you "spreading the truth"

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>>8693033
Those hormones are making you (even more) delusional. Maybe you should ease up on them?

>>8693036
It wasn't a strawman. Your post literally said you were a "third party laughing at everyone".

>>8693046
By posting it.

>>8693050
you certainly love to argue don't you anon.

>>8693057
No, I shouldn't have to. Unfortunately we live in an age where delusionals are pandered to and they are now forcing authoritarian laws on us, so I have no choice.

>>8693060
Trans people know that there biologically the other gender, a lot of them are opposed to the laws like c16, maybe if you try and get them on your side of argument you would have more success

>>8693060
you know just randomly here not trying to start shit you kinda remind me of my self when i was 15-16 politically i mean. (don't mean that as a insult as much as it may seem like it was just alt-right when i was 15) I fucking hated trannys i always got in arguments about them. but at some point i realized it doesn't fucking matter if people want to take want to do something to them self's that doesn't hurt anyone else then let them (and yes that does include stuff like self harm and suicide) your not peoples mother if they want to seek therapy drugs or even transition let them there adults.

>>8693095
>Trans people know that there biologically the other gender
They don't, otherwise they won't push all the crap they do. Like MtFs competing in women's sports or going into women's changerooms. They can't even comprehend why straight people don't want to have sex with them, or even why lesbians won't, so they make up conspiracies like the "cotton ceiling" because they just don't get it.

>a lot of them are opposed to the laws like c16
Lol no, they love that shit. They hate freedom of speech. They've spent the last three decades silencing anyone who won't pander to their agenda. How do you think it even got to this stage.

>maybe if you try and get them on your side of argument you would have more success
And how do you supposed I do that. They will never side with anyone who doesn't pander to them.

>>8693101
>don't mean that as a insult
Then why bring up age. Why are you calling me alt-right? I'm not even a right-winger.

>but at some point i realized it doesn't fucking matter if people want to take want to do something to them self's that doesn't hurt anyone else then let them
Did you miss all the articles in >>8692646, both in the actual post and the picture?

When I was younger I was too oblivious but now as I've gotten older I've realised how bullshit it all is and how much worse it's getting.

>>8693109
>cotton ceiling
The original cotton ceiling was a 12-ish person seminar, and not about convincing lesbians to have sex with mtfs. The cotton ceiling you're referring to is a TERF strawman.
>women's changerooms
well they're not exactly welcome or safe in the men's either
>they hate freedom of speech
kek

>>8693109
I'm trans and I don't follow any of these assumptions, the issue most of the time is there's trans people who end up in the lgbt echo chamber and it fills them with all these ideas and makes them into dogmatic narcissists.

There's a lot of trans people who try and combat these ideas though.

>>8693125
Do you accept being a gay male who crossdresses?

>>8693119
>The cotton ceiling you're referring to is a TERF strawman.
No, it's not. Transgenders literally have trouble comprehending why people don't want to have sex with them. The cotton ceiling theory was made by a butthurt MtF who couldn't comprehend why lesbians wouldn't have sex with him so he made up this big conspiracy theory about it.

Also, lol at "TERF". Trannies are so self-unaware they can't comprehend why women don't consider men in drag to be men.

>well they're not exactly welcome or safe in the men's either
Don't go in dressed as a woman and you'll be fine.

>kek
Kek indeed:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/18/de-blasio-fine-businesses-wrong-gender-pronouns/
http://dailysignal.com/2017/06/19/canadians-face-hate-crimes-using-wrong-gender-pronouns/

>>8693131
I do acknowledge I'm biologically male but I present female 80 percent of the time and I'm bi

>>8693115
i brought up age because it's when i was closest to your political position. and alt-right was an assumption i'm sorry. but it's 4chan can you blame me.

you seem under the assumption that all trannys agree with parents forcing shit on their kids. but your also assuming that every time a kid crossdresses and their parent knows about it their being forced.

>>8693139
>present female

Absolutely meaningless term genetically, chemically, biologically speaking. You are a fem gay male.

>>8693125
>the issue most of the time is there's trans people who end up in the lgbt echo chamber and it fills them with all these ideas and makes them into dogmatic narcissists.
The very idea of a trans community is narcissism. The problems caused stem directly from the fact that they pushed the idea that it wasn't a mental disorder. LGBT echochambers are a problem, but even a T community in general is a problem.

>There's a lot of trans people who try and combat these ideas though.
I'm yet to see a single transgender who doesn't have a problem with people using the REAL correct pronouns.

>>8693148
That's just how I like to say it, it helps me cope with dysphoria

>>8693152
What about cognitive behavioral therapy to reframe the distortions of your gender fixation in rational terms? Would you like coming to terms with your gender fixation and accepting being a gay male or would that be a negative outcome for you?

>>8693151
It's called suffering from a mental disorder

>>8693148
>chemically
do you even know what hormone therapy does?
trans people are literally chemically female.

>>8693139
Guy from >>8693109 here. Just thought you should know I'm not this guy: >>8693131

>>8693163
>chemically female

LOL just fucking lol there is no hope for you.

>>8693168
no seriously what argument do you have against this when testosterone is replaced with estrogen
or vice versa the cells in the body start behaving like the opposite sex the divide between sexes isn't this unapproachable barrier that you seem to think it is.

>>8693182
Explain how one can be chemically female but biologically male. Women are about more than just estrogen.

>the cells start behaving like opposite sex

Explain the mangriness of most mtf then:

https://youtu.be/NAEm5JEaWRc

That doesn't look or act like a woman despite the estrogen. Human behavior cannot be reduced to hormone injections.

>>8693188
Even early transitioning HSTS have clearly male mannerisms and appearances:

https://youtu.be/5eq8keXo1Ck

It looks and sounds like a gay man. Women don't usually have such specifically exaggerated mannerisms but gay men sometimes do when they are feminine.

Why can't feminine gay males accept being feminine without having to pretend they are female?

>>8693141
>you seem under the assumption that all trannys agree with parents forcing shit on their kids
It's the logical progression of pushing transgenderism as totally-not-a-mental-disorder. If it's seen as sane, then there's no reason to condemn pushing it on children.

>but your also assuming that every time a kid crossdresses and their parent knows about it their being forced.
No, I'm pointing out how sending your kids to a gender school isn't the child's idea.

>>8693125
Why haven't you responded to me?

I really wonder why whenever some retarded /pol/tard makes a thread on /lgbt/ about how much he hates trannies, all the self hating trannies rush to assure him that yes, they themselves hate trans people just as much and they see themselves as male and they too think trans people should be excluded from public spaces


really fires the neurons

I can't accept I'm a feminine male because I'm extremely uncomfortable in my body, look I'm trying my hardest to combat the things in the trans community that are dangerous e.g. Sex intitalment.

Honestly I'm getting bored of these threads every day and the community and all the stupid fucking bullshit that goes in here, I'm going to start working on my mental state and leave this place.

>>8693210
I'm sick of hsts fetishists and retarded autistic kids who love anime thinking they're really women and should transition. You're not a straight woman trapped in a man's body...you have a fetish for femininity to the point you've internalized it and now "think" you have gender dysphoria but you don't your not a transsexual. I'm sick of fake straight people bypassing the system by diy hormones because they know that any competent gender therapist would be able to tell that they're not trans and just confused idiot who has another mental illness so they scream gatekeeper every time a trained professional thinks they may not be trans.

You're not legit straight women and you make the rest of us gays look like bat shit crazy perverts to the rest of the world. Go fuck yourselves with a rusty hanger you wannabe pieces of shit.

p.s - I hate you die in a fire then jump off a cliff hon

>>8693213
Would you accept therapy to make you feel more comfortable as a man?

>>8693218
Who?

>>8693219
no, why would I do that, I'm a woman.

Also on the get therapy thing I'm transitioning because I spoke to counsellors and I'm not self medding

>>8693238
Why is the therapy not cognitive reframing of the distortions that you are the opposite sex? Why is enabling body dysmorphia a good thing if it is specifically around gendered features?

>>8693240
Ill look into it incase you have a point

>>8693242
Like this isn't even being mean or trolling I genuinely think there are options to reduce dysphoria other than transitioning since a lot of gay guys get body dysmorphia, sometimes around having more feminine features, but usually the treatment recommendation for that would be cognitive behavioral therapy to reframe the irrational into the rational or dialectical behavioral therapy which seeks to balance the emotional and rational mind. I don't see how a path of enabling cognitive distortions and body dysmorphia via hormones and elective cosmetic surgery is going to produce better outcomes than trying to correct the irrational thoughts producing the unhappiness in the first place. Its like if a nail doesn't fit in a floor, replacing the entire floor so the nail will fit. I get that antipsychotics are not pleasant to take so most will not approach them even if they do treat dysphoria. Yes, I know there is no research on the subject but there's no LOGICAL reason not to try antipsychotics for dysphoria or, yes, given their shit side-effect profile research better options that don't try to make men into women but to help gay men feel better about themselves in a mixed chemical and therapeutic approach. I just think transitioning is really primitive and barbaric.

>>8693213
I wonder why delusional narcissists like you are scared when people don't pander to you.

>>8693251
Maybe, I understand transitioning isn't 100 percent successful and eventually there will be better ways to combat dysphoria but to have this debate I would have to do more research and I would rather transition and work on being happy now, but I do understand why looking for alternet solutions are good and I wish people didn't act so aggressive towards people who do it, but you have to remember that most trans people who use this place for emotional support (I know bad idea) but they do.

>>8693276
I don't mind emotional support I just feel weird because gay guys get a lot of similar symptoms in terms of body dissatisfaction but it isn't as gender fixated and we are encouraged to treat our problems differently. It feels like at some point of severity, people get told to transition and I feel like that is just giving up.

Trans people are not generally looking for guidance from gay guys but I think a lot of us can relate to similar, but not as intense issues, but there seems to be a monomania about which solutions apply to the trans community.

>>8691191
Found the Blair White.
You aren't trans.

>>8693251
armchairpsychology.txt
First off, gender transition does involve therapy if you're doing it right. It's not just getting hormones and going on your way.
Secondly, gender dysphoria is not body dysmorphia. Gender dysphoria is a consequence of the body not matching someone's deeply held truth of which gender they are, and *transition makes dysphoria go away*. Cutting off a dysmorphic person's limbs does not heal the dysmorphia. Trans identity itself is not a mental illness, dysphoria is.
Thirdly: antipsychotics aka chemical lobotomies do not resolve gender dysphoria. Anecdotally, trans people who have been prescribed antipsychotics to treat another mental illness did not experience a reduction in dysphoria. The one case with pimozide people like to roll out also was not a case of gender dysphoria, they had a psychotic illness fixating on transition but did not want to become the opposite sex and did not feel dysphoria. Blindly testing antipsychotics on dysphoric patients would almost certainly be unethical given 1) their heavy side effect profile and 2) the existence of an already-proven treatment method.

>>8694761
So again, you have no evidence that antipsychotics don't reduce gender fixation thoughts.

>>8695164
You don't have any evidence that they do.

>>8691159
>San Francisco Bay Area

>>8695252
Why does everywhere have to be like either this or Texas?

>>8695317
Politics

The American political system divides itself enough that when one side does something, the other side will move to the opposite of that, mostly out of spite

>>8695164
>Anecdotally, trans people who have been prescribed antipsychotics to treat another mental illness did not experience a reduction in dysphoria. The one case with pimozide people like to roll out also was not a case of gender dysphoria, they had a psychotic illness fixating on transition but did not want to become the opposite sex and did not feel dysphoria.
But you're right, I don't have "proof", because no ethical scientist could "prove" it. There is no preliminary evidence it could work.

>>8695317
Politics is a reflection of how we want to see the world. Blame the two party system and the 24-hour news media for polarizing everything.

>>8695323
The problem is what the polar opposites are. If there were "third party" poles so to speak then a state that goes to the right one of them could be the best alternative to Texas and San Fran. Instead, we have liberal progressive cuckery and conservatardism.

>>8695344
The polarization is the one good thing. The party system needs reform, but not necessarily by more parties.

>>8691159
its not much different then a extremist religious camp.
its like a cult that fills kids heads with nonsensical beliefs and that non-believers are all heretics.

>>8695615
Good point.

>>8696220
That said I would have killed for a gay guy (and lesbian) only summer camp. Especially overnight. Would have been so much fun.

>>8695339
No ethical scientist would support HRT and SRS.

>>8694761
1. Gender isn't real
2. HRT is unethical and has already proven to make things worse and cause a wide-array of health problems

>>8694703
Kill yourself

>>8693230
>I'm a woman.
Your chromosomes don't lie, my man. You aren't a woman and never will be. Get help. Actual real help.

>>8695339
>they had a psychotic illness fixating on transition but did not want to become the opposite sex
bullshit

>>8696870
Thankfully you're wrong
>>8696873
Wrong too.
>>8696879
Also wrong.

>>8692646
>American College of Pediatricians
An anti-gay fringe organization. Great source.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, meanwhile - 66,000 pediatricians strong - cautiously supports children socially transitioning and eventually receiving blockers/HRT if their gender identity remains stable.

>McHugh
Is a many-decade embarrassment to John Hopkins (which has now distanced themselves from him and re-instated SRS procedures).

>article on "gender-confused" children is by McHugh
He's misrepresenting the Swedish study. The author has gone on record to condemn the way he's lied about her work. And he's also failing to mention that studies of children who mature out of "gender confusion" are studies of children who were gender non-conforming...not children diagnosed with gender dysphoria. In one study I've seen, for example, ~40% of children "grew out of" it, yet the authors note those children didn't fit the criteria for a disorder in childhood to begin with.

Further, it muddies the issue to call children "gender-confused" if they are not. Here is a write-up on a study that found trans children to have perfectly age-typical responses to testing of gender associations compared to controls: http://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/releases/transgender-kids-show-consistent-gender-identity-across-measures.html

>the trans population is growing!!1
I bet the intersex population grew a whole fucking lot once doctors recognized a bunch of intersex conditions for what they were.

gtfo with your typical junk science.

>>8692851
I'm a gay-leaning FtM. I transitioned AWAY from "heterosexuality."

What's your excuse now?

>>8693240
>Why is enabling body dysmorphia a good thing if it is specifically around gendered features?
Because they're literally NOT the same disorder - they're not related at all - and transition has wildly different outcomes from any kind of cosmetic procedure someone receives for BDD-related anxiety.

Armchair shrinks, christ almighty.

>>8698058
>Thankfully you're wrong
I'm not wrong, it's just there's little ethics in today's feels before reals SJW era.

>Wrong too.
Just because it doesn't agree with your narrative, doesn't mean it's wrong, sweetie.

>Also wrong.
If you keep screaming maybe your dreams will come true :^)

>>8698123
>An anti-gay fringe organization. Great source.
Just because it isn't PC enough for you doesn't mean the study is wroing. Argue with facts and not feelings next time.

>Is a many-decade embarrassment to John Hopkins (which has now distanced themselves from him and re-instated SRS procedures).
So he's an embarrassment because he triggered a virtue-signalling hospital (or maybe just one that likes to milk you crazies for money) by not towing the line and pandering to the narrative like you want. Again, please make an actual argument.

>The author has gone on record to condemn the way he's lied about her work
The likelihood is that she got backlash for not pandering to yous so she got harrassed until she gave in. Like all of the medical community.

>I bet the intersex population grew a whole fucking lot once doctors recognized a bunch of intersex conditions for what they were.
Intersex people aren't a fad unlike trannydom which has gotten hip lately. Not to mention the fact that socjus cretins are indoctrinating more children into thinking they are trans.

>gtfo with your typical junk science.
Lol, the entire enabling of your disorder is built on junk science. Actually, no not even junk science. Junk feelings.

>>8698141
>Armchair shrinks, christ almighty.
Armchair shrinks think enabling trannydom is okay.

>>8698411
This whole post
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>>8698846
>no argument
Disappointing but expected from the feels before reals hivemind.

>>8698123
>The American Academy of Pediatrics, meanwhile
support circumcision. is that really who you want to cite?

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>>8698892
>the organisation that supports genital mutilation supports another kind of genital mutilation
Go figure

>>8694703
>thinks that just because I'm critical of a movement means I'm a house nigger

>>8698411
>Just because it isn't PC enough for you doesn't mean the study is wroing. Argue with facts and not feelings next time.
Pretty sure I'm not the one arguing from emotion here.

I'm pointing out that the ACPeds is quite literally fringe (a few hundred docs at best, last I read) and that the organization was formed around opposition towards social acceptance of homosexuality. Not the best source to be citing on /lgbt/.

Ironically, I'm more socially conservative and actually agree with some of their positions (e.g. I oppose gay adoption). I nevertheless recognize that an organization like this is going to have a particular bias, and that these sorts of groups have been notorious for distorting research on transgenderism. Also, people citing them are counting on the fact that they're going to be confused with the AAP. (>>8698892, this is a large part of the reason why I pointed that out. Also, they take the stance of leaving it up to the parents and do not "recommend" circ. It's not my favoured position either, though.)

- It is not correct, for example, that puberty blockers cause sterility. They are reversible, and have been used for decades in children with precocious puberty.
- There are health risks involved with HRT, but they tend to be overblown by anti-trans advocates. For example, by being an FtM on testosterone, I raise my risk of cardiovascular disease over other natal females. However, my risk is still LOWER than the cardiovascular risk for natal males.
- Our post-transition suicide rates have been comparable to the general population since 1989.

So yes, they are wrong as well as being a poor source.

>So he's an embarrassment because
He's an embarrassment because he kept John Hopkins from keeping up-to-date in this area, and did so based on the strength of his own shoddy research and not much else.

>>8699740
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>>8698411

>The likelihood is that she got backlash for not pandering to yous so she got harrassed until she gave in.
Doesn't sound that way to me: http://transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm

>Williams: Before I contacted you for this interview, were you aware of the way your work was being misrepresented?

>Dhejne: Yes! It’s very frustrating! I’ve even seen professors use my work to support ridiculous claims. I’ve often had to respond myself by commenting on articles, speaking with journalists, and talking about this problem at conferences. The Huffington Post wrote an article about the way my research is misrepresented.

>Intersex people aren't a fad
You can't diagnose a condition until you know it's there.

>Not to mention the fact that socjus cretins are indoctrinating more children into thinking they are trans.
Anti-trans people love to cite John Money (like the ACPed article you cited) and his failure to see a boy with a botched circumcision raised as a girl. The David Reimer case is infamous, what with Reimer having failed to be feminine on every level despite being raised as a girl from a few days after his birth. He continually expressed deep unhappiness in the female role, and "detransitioned" immediately upon learning the truth at 14. Reimer couldn't have been a better example of someone "indoctrinated" to believe that they were the opposite gender from their natal sex, yet that "experiment" failed.

Yet somehow, we're currently "indoctrinating" children to believe they're the opposite gender from their natal sex, and it's "working."

Both of these things can't be true.

>>8696937
https://genderanalysis.net/2016/12/myth-pimozide-and-gender-dysphoria-gender-analysis/
yes it's zinnia but double check the citations (of which there are many) if you don't believe it

>>8699743
It takes a special kind of stupid to think that the sad David Reimer case makes an anti-trans case.

>>8698411
>virtual signalling reeeeeeee
"virtue signalling" is not real. you act like everyone agrees with the alt-right and they're just afraid to admit it. that's categorically untrue.

>>8699760
>patient’s desire to transition was a manifestation of a “monosymptomatic delusion”
>illness characterized by a single … delusion that is sustained over a considerable period”
gee that sounds familiar.

anyway, noone can prove shit as long as research about it is not allowed.

>>8699838
>manifestation of a “monosymptomatic delusion”
In other words, not gender dysphoria, and has nothing to do with trans people.