/agpg/ - AGP General

>>8585412
Should I get on HRT? I don't really like being a man and while I fantasize about being a woman sexually I'm not sure how it would be day to day. I'm only 5'6 and I've been told I look kind of feminine so I think I'd pass. I wouldn't even consider this if I didn't think I'd pass because being a hon would be hell on earth. Most things that trans women get clocked for I don't really have (large hands/feet, adam's apple, manly nose/jaw) but at the same time I'm worried that HRT won't change the way I look enough for me to pass. Would being a femboy on HRT be a better alternative?

>>8585440
If you had a button that would make you female permanently, would you push it?

>>8585496
If it meant that I would pass and be a cis woman, I would slam that button.

>>8585440
That's a very personal decision with lots of ramifications either way and nobody else can choose that for you, but yes you should.

>>8585440
Do you want to be a woman? Do you experience dysphoria?
If the answer to both is yes, then yes.

I never knew there was such a thing as AGP.
My entire life from childhood to now (I"m 47) I've had a "fetish" for wearing lacy/frilly/sissy type panties and lingerie.
I do sometimes fantasize about being a woman though. I always figured it was an unusual fetish, it's fun when I do it.

>>8585560
I'd say that I experience some body dysphoria (don't dislike my penis though), however I'm okay with being male socially. I'd be okay with wearing male clothes in public and being treated as a man as long as I could look more feminine.

>>8585600
Okay so, it could be a fetish. There are cis guys with this fetish. If you're not suffering from dysphoria or anything you're fine.
A lot of trans people develop this fetish while repressing though, so if you experience dysphoria then you might be trans.

>>8585631
My personal opinion is that dysphoria is first and foremost physical and the rest comes from social/psychological factors. It's not really about gender roles but about what sort of body you feel is right to have and what you feel you are.

It comes down to what you identify as (note: has nothing to do with gender roles) and how severe your dysphoria is.

>>8585638
>There are cis guys with this fetish. If you're not suffering from dysphoria or anything you're fine.
No, there are people who seem cis but may later become or notice that they are dysphoric.

Did you also smile uncontrollably when you wore a pretty wig for the first time, agpu chanu?

>>8585664
This is patently false. There are lots and lots of cis crossdressers out there. Happily married. Countless communities of them.

>>8585557
Then take hormones.

>>8585679
Yeah, this idea that every TV is a transgender is horseshit. Putting on clothing doesn't make you want to be a girl.

These people just want every excuse in the book to avoid dealing with the fact that they are the ones deranged, not society.

>>8585679
I say may. If you have a way or telling which will be fine, congrats, but nobody else does.

What's patently false is your claim that if you're AGP but don't have dysphoria now, you never have to worry about transition.

>>8585682
If I just took hormones and kept presenting male how long would it take before it becomes noticeable to people that I'm transitioning?

>>8585689
You could've just said "AGP gets worse over time" and made the same impact without the argumentativeness.

>>8585693
If you're lucky/unlucky depending on how you see it you could pull off perma boymode without much trouble.

>>8585693
Mtf hormones are not like ftm hormones. If you're a hon like me then you can go years. Either way people pay far less attention to you than you think. I have tranny D cups and my family hasn't noticed

>>8585703
What you said was, as you put it, patently false. If pointing that out triggers you, it's you who needs to work on it.

"AGP gets worse over time" is a very different thing anyway. It might not for some.

>>8585638
No feelings of dysphoria, but if a genie ever granted me three wishes, one of them would be the ability to morph back and forth between man or woman whenever I felt like it. :)

>>8585664
In my case, it's more of a fetish/roleplay fantasy.
I'm into forced feminisation,"sissyfication" female domination kinds of porn (among others) ;)
Definitely sexual and not emotional.

>>8585440
>I don't really have (large hands/feet, adam's apple, manly nose/jaw) but at the same time I'm worried that HRT won't change the way I look enough for me to pass
I'm sort of in the same boat. I'm trying to lose weight so that I can see my true face shape but my jaw has always been fairly weak (and I've been covering it with a beard for years) and my nose is maybe a bit more on the feminine side. My hands and feet are small and I don't have much visible veins. At the same time I'm worried about my brow, especially with my sideprofile and if I could build enough muscle/fat around my hips to offset my shoulders.

Still can't decide if I should pursue HRT or not. I'd definitely feel more comfortable with my day to day life if I could just be a woman but if I'll never be seen as one even after putting all the work into transitioning I'm not sure my mind could take that.

>>8586304
Could try being a femboy on hormones, you could eventually do a full transition if you felt like it

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so I fell for skittles meme, now what? Im already feeling like a girl sometimes but I dont want to transition, so what am I supposed to do?

>>8586392
spread that boipucci for a real man's cock

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>>8586408
only if he treats me like a real woman

Question for those on HRT, have you noticed any changes in your mental health? Are you addicted to dem skittles?

And more important, is the "failing boymode" a meme? I think i'll have honest answers here because you're all honest about being agp.

>>8586611
I've been on hormones for nearly two years now, the main changes in mental health are mostly emotional ones. I find it much easier to cry and I "feel" feelings a lot more, if that makes sense. 'Failing boymode" happens more with strangers than people you know well in my experience. My family hasn't noticed any changes yet but strangers have gendered me female an increasing amount in the last few months. I also feel like hormones have changed my sexuality a bit, I used to be only into women/traps yet now I'm more bisexual than straight.

>>8585412
how to tell if agp or hsts?

>>8587310
Do you fuck men, or do you fuck women and men?

No greentext cuz phones retarded
21, amab
Severe depression issues
Probably never gonna pass as female
Start self medding 50mg cypro 4mg progy
Single as fuck, fulltime boymode, don't even dress up or anything in private
Depression gets way better over 3 months
Stop self medding cuz no money
Next 2 months depression gets worse again, can't even leave my house most days

So my question, how much can testosterone or estrogen effect emotional health? Like I was prepared to stay fulltime boymode for the rest of my life unless one day I magically failed boymode, but my mental health had improved so much while I was self medding and then crashed back down once I stopped.

>>8585664
>>8585689
Actually I've just severely misread your post last night. It was really late and I read there as these. Sorry.

>>8587347
This is anecdotal but lots and lots of trans people report the same things you did: hormones almost immediately making them feel much better mentally even if they do nothing for their ability to pass.

>>8587347
I think it changes it a ton.
My fetishes basically disappeared on HRT, I don't have as much obsessive compulsion with crossdressing especially with fetish type crossdressing, I still masturbate but my fantasies are just "normal" now like they were before my body masculinized and my fantasies starting warping and twisting into gender bending stuff.
My overall mental health is significantly better. My body obviously still sucks but I feel different overall, I don't feel as worried about it anymore.

>>8587347
it's almost like you needed the meds

>>8587492
What do you have to say to the people who keep insisting AGP doesn't go away after you transition?

>>8587522
I dunno I thought it was pretty well accepted that it does lol
I figured naysayers were just repressing.

I'd say my agp type stuff has reduced about 90-95%. I still sometimes look at porn and self-insert as a girl and I'm really envious of girls clothes and stuff but I'm still boymode. Maybe it'll go away. I don't consider myself very fetishy these days.

>>8587588
>I dunno I thought it was pretty well accepted that it does lol
It is pretty much anywhere else but a lot of people here keep denying it. IIRC it usually takes a long time for it to completely go away.

>>8587596
I started AAs 6 months ago and E about 3 months ago and I'm doing way way better. I did stop spiro and switched to cypro though.
As far as mental changes like weird hons describe like feeling like a girl that has not happened. I think that's placebo.
My mental changes are mostly a huge relieval of depression. I actually pulled my life out of a huge rut I was in and I've been so happy that my life just suddenly seems to be "working." For years I wondered why my life just went nowhere but other people could just be like "lol just run on a treadmill and you'll be fine" and have their life work perfectly with such ridiculously easy alterations whereas no matter what I did I dug myself into my rut even deeper...
I kind of have a weird depression cause now that I know what's wrong it's really overwhelming though

>>8587614
Good luck!

>>8587628
I think I'm actually doing a lot better and I've finally managed to get a stable career I think.
The weird thing is because google has basically archived my entire life thanks to their botnet I look back on my archived search history from 5-6 years ago and it really just makes me want to cry. I can't believe I did the things I did and I never even thought twice that something was wrong. I feel like I want to blame someone but there's no one to blame...

>>8586611
There are too many variables for me to say what effects they've had, but I'm addicted. Tbh I realized I was always trans I was just too ignorant to realize it; this has caused me increasing amounts of stress and dysphoria.
I'm sure boymode failing isn't a meme. It happened to me once with a drunk guy and I don't pass, so for luckier people I'm sure it happens.

>>8586318
It's difficult to even go femboy mode because I've held such a manly image so far. I'm fucking terrified of shaving my beard which has acted both as a literal and a figurative beard for me for so long. I don't go out much but the couple friends I do see IRL would definitely start asking questions. And I don't even want to think about how my parents would react.

I just wish I could get myself drugged up on some shit that would literally make me a brainless husk so that I wouldn't have to think about this shit.

I don't really care if I'm an AGP or trans or whatever, I haven't familiarized with the jargon yet. I would have transitioned If I could, but since I can't, I'm hoping for a realistic VR in the nearest future.

Anyways, few questions for anons itt.
>At what age did you start imagining yourself as a woman? What age are you know, how did AGP progress through your lifetime?
>Have you had romantic feelings to men? To women?
>Are you submissive in your fantasies? Are you submissive in your life?
>Do you have lesbian fantasies?
>Do you crossdress?
>Do you roleplay as a girl on the internet?
>Do you practice anal masturbation?
>When you jerk off, do you do that normally (gripping the shaft in your hand and pulling it up and down) or you have your own way

>>8587859
I always masturbate prone.

>>8587859
>At what age did you start imagining yourself as a woman?
5, but my first fantasies were at 4.

>What age are you now?
26

>How did AGP progress through your lifetime?
Before puberty I'd obsessively fantasize about boys becoming girls. Come puberty it took hold and never left. I thought I was just a fetishist for the longest time until dysphoria hit me like a truck and I educated myself. Now I know that being like this doesn't mean you can't be trans and that this awful fetish is caused by being trans rather than the other way around. I eventually realized that my out of nowhere depression that set in around puberty and just never went away is probably related to being this way.

See this chain of posts for more details.
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8167536/#q8173059

>Have you had romantic feelings to men? To women?
I've been sexually attracted to a lot of women and to a few rare men but I don't think I've ever had romantic feelings for anyone.

>Are you submissive in your fantasies?
Usually. Sometimes I'm dominant.

>Are you submissive in your life?
No. I'm prickly and angry and belligerent.

>Do you have lesbian fantasies?
Yes but they never involve actual sex. I'm kind of freaked out by vulvas. I used to be freaked out by all genitals but I've recently come to appreciate some dicks.

>Do you crossdress?
I used to, before I got big and grotesque and manly.

>Do you roleplay as a girl on the internet?
I want to but it feels wrong to "deceive" people. I feel like if people found out that I look like a big disgusting guy in meatspace they'd be disgusted by me. I always feel amazing when randos mistake me for a woman though. Not sexually. It's just a feeling of validation.

>Do you practice anal masturbation?
I haven't really tried it. I hate most of my male features but I'm surprisingly okay with my penis.

>Jerking off
Normally nowadays, but when I was 12 I'd pull back my genitals with underwear as far back as I could and grind.

>>8587859
>At what age did you start imagining yourself as a woman? What age are you know, how did AGP progress through your lifetime?
I can remember fantasizing about it all the way to my early teens. For a very long time I simply thought that was what every boy does. I just thought it was curiosity. Early on I got off exclusively to lesbian porn. Around like 18-20 I started getting into trap hentai and slowly went towards the deeper end. Now am 26. Pre-hrt still unsure if I'm going to go on hrt.

>Have you had romantic feelings to men? To women?
I can't remember having romantic feelings to men but I did have some preteen gay experiences I don't really remember much about. I had a bunch of crushes on girls when I was a teenager and even dated and hung out with a bunch of girls. From my point of view how I experienced my crushes were way different from how my guy friends did. I'm not sure if it's just guys not really talking about it but the way I crushed always felt very girly to me.

>Are you submissive in your fantasies? Are you submissive in your life?
I think so yes. In real life I try to hold up a manly image but when I was getting close with girls I would always act way too feminine with them which would turn them off.

>Do you have lesbian fantasies?
Yes.

>Do you crossdress?
I started recently as part of going deeper into traps and I think it sort of broke my shell and got me thinking about this shit realistically. I think I was in deep denial and just putting it off as a fetish or fantasy.

>Do you roleplay as a girl on the internet?
It's weird because its sort of seen as a feature of AGP but I only did it in few occasions. I think it was part of my keeping up a manly image but I mostly played male characters.

>Do you practice anal masturbation?
I have tried.

>When you jerk off, do you do that normally
I used to be disgusted of my dick and would only rub the tip through my panties to get off. At some point I got over it and now do it fairly normally.

>>8587859
>At what age did you start imagining yourself as a woman?
Teens
>What age are you know, how did AGP progress through your lifetime?
21. It interferes with my regular life alot. I spend almost whole my alone time on masturbation.

>Have you had romantic feelings to men? To women?
Yes, twice. Each time with best friends. Nothing with women.

>Are you submissive in your fantasies? Are you submissive in your life?
Yes. Yes.

>Do you have lesbian fantasies?
No. I'm disgusted of vaginas and pussy-licking.

>Do you crossdress?
No.

>Do you roleplay as a girl on the internet?
Yes. Usual fap routine includes chatting with strangers.

>Do you practice anal masturbation?
I've done it, but I'm too lazy to do it often.

>When you jerk off, do you do that normally (gripping the shaft in your hand and pulling it up and down) or you have your own way
Massaging the tip without getting the dick too hard.

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I'm considering HRT but how much of a problem will boobs be? I can't purchase serms and bica. Nothing else makes me worried because if i get castrated by cypro, one of the three will happen:

1-I stay as a qt boymode bc i love AESTHETICS and have BDD or something like that
2- Oh shit i'm really trans! so i transition if i pass
3- (less likely) I get off hrt and nothing bad happened at all because i don't want kids anyway

But boobs still worry me, not because i don't want them but because of my social life (i'm also scared they'll end up as gyno ugly boyboobs)


>>8587859
>At what age did you start imagining yourself as a woman? What age are you know, how did AGP progress through your lifetime?
At 15 or something like that, i had some experiences in early life but nothing that would make me trans/agp

>Have you had romantic feelings to men? To women?
Had to women but i didn't like sex. Never had to men but i'm aroused by sex with them.

>Are you submissive in your fantasies? Are you submissive in your life?
Yes/yes when i'm not trying too hard to be manly

>Do you have lesbian fantasies?
Rarely, i don't like women genitals

>Do you crossdress?
Often

>Do you roleplay as a girl on the internet?
Often in online games, like MMORPGS

>Do you practice anal masturbation?
Used to but i'm too lazy nowadays to

>When you jerk off, do you do that normally (gripping the shaft in your hand and pulling it up and down) or you have your own way
Normally but sometimes i arouse myself thinking of my dick as a clit and rubbing it.

>>8587859
>At what age did you start imagining yourself as a woman? What age are you know, how did AGP progress through your lifetime?

like 7, I had tons of GNC has a kid.

>Have you had romantic feelings to men? To women?

Men always.

>Are you submissive in your fantasies? Are you submissive in your life?

hardcore switch. I will go from violent sadist dom to meek fucktoy on a dime and it's disconcerting to partners who aren't experienced with it. Most of my fantasies are submissive though.

>Do you have lesbian fantasies?

Nope. It has to be a man and a woman.

>Do you crossdress?

Once in a while, not for fetish reasons.

>Do you roleplay as a girl on the internet?

Do you mean Steam shit and avatar faggotry? No. I used to do a lot of gender bending scenes through roleplaying sites.

>Do you practice anal masturbation?

Occasionally.

>When you jerk off, do you do that normally (gripping the shaft in your hand and pulling it up and down) or you have your own way

What the fuck is "normally"? I do whatever hand motions it takes to get me an orgasm.

>>8588832
>But boobs still worry me, not because i don't want them but because of my social life (i'm also scared they'll end up as gyno ugly boyboobs)
Screwing yourself out of the body you want because you're worried about how people will react is messed up. Don't make this mistake.

>>8588872
>Screwing yourself out of the body you want because you're worried about how people will react is messed up. Don't make this mistake.
But as males we can never have the bodies we want.

>>8588919
Few people have perfect bodies, but you can get pretty damn close if you act in time.

>As males
Trans people are intersex anyhow

>>8586611
yeah, its better. haven't felt this good in years, must be more than just placebo, def has some anti-depressant effects on me
sadly Im not about to fail manmode

>>8587846
you are overestimating it, most people wont care and the changes are very slow and gradual, simply gaining/losing wight affects your appearance more

>>8588948
>but you can get pretty damn close if you act in time.
Sadly I didn't know what AGP was before my teens.

>>8589228
Some people transitioned later and still turned out great.

>>8589285
And how many didn't?

>>8589499
A lot. I myself gave up, but if I had even a sliver of a chance..

>want to be girly and be a girl
>being girly feels good but also I feel disgusted because I'm a gross faggot and want to die
>feel so ashamed, even completely alone in my room
>just want to be happy

;_;

>>8589889
>I'm a gross faggot and want to die

work on your internalized homophobia and learn to love yourself

>>8589889
>but also I feel disgusted because I'm a gross faggot
You're not. Don't be.

>>8589893
I don't know how to suddenly stop being ashamed wanting to be girly

>>8589913
Well, you must get some kind of a kick out of the shame or you wouldn't keep doing it.
Ask yourself why you are addicted to feeling ashamed?

>>8589913
Why does it feel shameful? What's shameful about it?

>>8589943
Or she has a different reason for wanting it and that motive is why she's ashamed.

>>8589943
I don't do it because I feel ashamed, I think about it but I just know I'll feel like shit and it makes me sad.

I see other people and it makes me jealous they can act fem or however they want and it doesn't bother them.

>>8589944
I don't know it just feels shameful to be a guy who wants to be a girl and do feminine stuff. I'm scared of being judged, made fun of, know that my relatives would probably laugh at me.

even if I do it alone

>>8589948
It's like that I get disgusted at myself for wanting to get called she and stuff and I read it and it makes me feel good for like 1 second and then I become disgusted with it.


Or like

>playing videogame with friend
>character does animation
>friend goes "Wow your ass looked really good when you did that, do it again"
>feel really happy, butterflies in tummy, good feeling, etc , I blushed irl
>realize 5 seconds later I'm a huge fag and I shouldn't be happy from that
>feel bad about it but also wish it would happen again but don't at the same time bc I'd feel bad more

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>>8589950
you're the guy who posts here everyday complaining that your mom knows you're the bottom in the relationship because your bf is taller than you, that your mom found your dildo and chastity device, that you're ashamed to be trans, etc.
just give it a rest.
go start a blog.
we are tired of your whinging and constant need to be recognized and validated.

>>8590011
I'm not that person, I just don't want to feel bad for feeling how I want

>>8589889
>iktf
It feels so good to dress up and pretend I'm not stuck in this manly body for a second. Then the reality kicks in and you remember you just look like a man in women's clothing. I don't know how to be more girly while I keep presenting as male. I don't want to come off as some flamboyant gay dude either.

>>8589950
>I don't know it just feels shameful to be a guy who wants to be a girl and do feminine stuff. I'm scared of being judged, made fun of, know that my relatives would probably laugh at me.
Are you me?

>>8589950
>it just feels shameful to be a guy who wants to be a girl and do feminine stuff.
You need to examine that feeling and understand why it's wrong.

>I'm scared of being judged, made fun of, know that my relatives would probably laugh at me.
Do it when it won't be noticed, do it in minor ways you can get away with, and stand up for yourself when people do judge you.

>>8589985
There's nothing disgusting about it. Don't be tricked into thinking other people are right when they have different preferences.

>>8590276
Dress up by yourself, don't present male all the time, present androgynously, and defend yourself when people do judge you.

i was sexually aroused when the woman in the tarzan cartoon was transformed into like a cheetah or a jaguar or something, what does that make me?

>>8587588
>I still sometimes look at porn and self-insert as a girl and I'm really envious of girls clothes and stuff
How is this AGP? Nearly all women do this.

>>8590416
As well as MTF transformations, AGPs are often into transformation in general.

>>8590416
yiffyscum get out reeeeee

>>8590490
i dont know what that means but i was like 5 at the time. right now i just masturbate to transformation stories on literotica

>>8590456
Not the same way AGPs do.

What are your thoughts on kigurumi? Are those who practice it likely AGPs?
>>>/jp/17322691

>>8591143
It doesn't appeal personally but I would have thought it is another way of showing AGP.

>>8591143
whenever i see bodysuit people like that i think REPRESSED TRANNY

>>8591188
Really? I have trouble telling if this isn't more like drag queens.

>>8591196
Drag queens are very HSTS and these don't seem to be.

>>8591143
>>8591188
>>8591196
A lot of kigurumi seems to be tied to a fetish and getting off while you're dressed up so I think it's definitely a way to express and deal with AGP. It's a different matter if people into kigurumi realize that or not.

>>8591230
Don't you mean just "homosexual rather than "HSTS"?

>>8591256
No, but that too.

>>8587859
>At what age did you start imagining yourself as a woman?

As a teenager seeing drag and trannies on trashy talk shows.

>Have you had romantic feelings to men? To women?

Used to be just women, but

>Are you submissive in your fantasies? Are you submissive in your life?/What age are you know, how did AGP progress through your lifetime?

I never really considered being submissive, though I didn't really feel aggressive either. Then a few years ago(early 30s) I'd had a random revelation in the grocery store of all places when I'd saw a couple. Didn't really think either was attractive or anything, but he had her hand around her waist and out of nowhere I got jealous as fuck. I wanted someone to hold me like they owned me. And that kinda opened the floodgate for feminine feelings in general.

>Do you have lesbian fantasies?

Just when I was younger. Now it's me as a woman, with a woman or as a woman with a man.(Which started as a romantic/meta attraction or whatever, but a physical attraction did start over time especially with shoulders and chest. Ridiculously high standards though, most men look like shit)

>Do you crossdress?

As a teen there were two of my grandmas old dresses, but I'd never been brave enough to get my own clothes as a adult.

>Do you roleplay as a girl on the internet?

No.

>Do you practice anal masturbation?

Curious, but worried about messes or hurting myself.(Used to have colitis and don't want to fuck anything up in there)

>When you jerk off, do you do that normally (gripping the shaft in your hand and pulling it up and down) or you have your own way

Always just rubbed. Traditional way felt inefficient. Took longer and wasn't as good a payoff.

>>8591143
please no, that is creepy as fuck
as much as I'd like to cover my face

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This is some nice escapism.

>>8591669
that would just trigger me tbhon

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>>8591669
that is the most shamelessly agp thing I have ever fucking seen

you know that game is meant for like 12 year old girls right?? jfc anon, get it together

>>8591762
>shamelessly agp thing
Is there such a thing as AGP pandering in video games? How can a game developer to pander to AGPs specifically?

>>8591842
He meant shamelessly AGP of Anon

Obviously as he said the developers merely intended the game for little girls

>>8591842
>>8591871
Yes, I meant that it is shamelessly AGP for Anon to play that particular game, not that the game itself is shamelessly pandering to AGP fetishists.

>>8591842
>How can a game developer to pander to AGPs specifically?
Just make an RPG with a fully customizable player character (including the option to play a chick obviously), lots of skimpy "armour" and a sexually charged story

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>>8591762

It(or the first game anyway) got the prestigious /v/ seal of approval or I'd never have considered it.

But of course it's shamelessly agp, where do you think you are?

>>8591669
i actually played the prior DS version.
I rate it 5/10 playability and 7/10 AGP wise. This one looks more like a 6/10 playability and 8/10 AGP, there's no way im paying for it though.

>>8591762
Fampai I played makeup games aimed at 8 year olds you know nothing of cringe

>>8591143
this kinda makes me feel normal

t. trap

Sometimes I just look at myself and think: what is even the point? What's the point of achieving or doing anything if I'm always going to be stuck in this awful awful thing? I make art but what is the point of making art if you can't even look alright? Were I making myself I'd scrap me and start over.

>>8592136
I feel the same way. I never take pics of myself either. It's really awkward when people ask about old photos of myself and I realize I never took any and I intentionally avoided being in photos. It's like I have no past lol

>>8592155
I really really dislike being photographed. It makes me ill.

>>8592179
I don't maintain any social media so usually nobody asks to take pics with me. Works out well lol

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I'm a (former?) AGP who is a few months post op from SRS. AMA.

>>8592280
A pretty big question, but what's your story? How did your life progress? How did you end up where you are? What made you realize that you're trans? You wrote "former?". Does that mean that you're no longer like this? How did that come to be?

>>8592280
Do you think it was worth it transitioning? Are you happier overall even with all the social consequences?
I just started hrt, have no actual plan of what I'm doing, look like shit, haven't told anyone I'm doing this either lol

>>8592179
Iktf. Hated photos long before I was an egg.

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>>8592308
>A pretty big question, but what's your story? How did your life progress? How did you end up where you are?

It's pretty unremarkable. I was just a kid who literally couldn't get off without imagining himself turning into a woman, and then later was a teenager that had hit rock bottom and figured he might as well try and fullfill his biggest fantasy. After that, I was on HRT and feeling way better, but was still boymode. I came out a year or so later, and lost almost all of my friends. Hit a pretty rough patch in my life, but eventually learned hair, makeup, and fashion, which allowed me to reintegrate as a (mostly straight) woman after moving to a new region with a new name.

>What made you realize that you're trans?
I finally realized that my AGP was out of my control, and was the result of an underlying disorder. That wasn't what made me decide to transition though. At that point I didn't know whether I was trans and didn't really care. I just knew that I wanted a female body and was going to do whatever it took to get it.

>You wrote "former?". Does that mean that you're no longer like this? How did that come to be?
I just kind of stopped having gender bender fantasies one day. After being full time for long enough, you eventually stop thinking of yourself as a man turning into a woman and just think of yourself as a woman.

>>8592316
>Do you think it was worth it transitioning?
Hell yes. It's probably been the hardest thing in my life, but it's also brought me more joy than anything in my life. I'm finally getting to experience all the things I've wanted to experience since I was a little kid.

>Are you happier overall even with all the social consequences?
Absolutely. Being a woman definitely has downsides, but it also has upsides. That tradeoff is one that I am 100% glad I made.

>>8592401
>I finally realized that my AGP was out of my control, and was the result of an underlying disorder.
Care to expound?

>I was just a kid who literally couldn't get off without imagining himself turning into a woman, and then later was a teenager that had hit rock bottom and figured he might as well try and fullfill his biggest fantasy.
>I just knew that I wanted a female body and was going to do whatever it took to get it.
Did you experience gender dysphoria or was your motivation mostly sexual at the time?

>I just kind of stopped having gender bender fantasies one day. After being full time for long enough, you eventually stop thinking of yourself as a man turning into a woman and just think of yourself as a woman.
Do you still get aroused by other AGP-related stuff e.g. being extremely feminine?

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>>8592432
>Care to expound?
For years, I kept asking myself why I was into gender bender stuff. After failing to come up with anything, I eventually figured that I was just born with it.

>Did you experience gender dysphoria or was your motivation mostly sexual at the time?
Totally sexual. I experienced dysphoria later on though, especially around my penis which was a large part of why I was so happy to have it gone.

>Do you still get aroused by other Agp related e.g. being extremely feminine?
Nope. I mostly get off to different kinds of het porn, with the occasional lesbian thing thrown in when I'm in the mood. I don't really have any particularly strong fetishes anymore.

>>8592500
Interesting. I've heard of very few people for whom it is really just sexual. If I do a little digging most admit to experiencing at least some dysphoria e.g. despising their body. I'm glad it worked out for you. Thanks for sharing.

Did you post here before?

>>8592519
No, first time. Lurked a bit though

>>8592680
Cool. Anything you'd like to tell the self-doubters in this thread, or people who are early on in the process?

>>8591871
>>8591884
Good for anon, I say! We need more shameless agps like her.

>>8592401
What age did you come out and start HRT? And SRS?

Why did you decide on SRS? How do you feel about it now?

How much did you see yourself as a boy/not a girl, before coming to terms with being trans?

How much did you fit in with boys?

Why did you decide transition was the right idea, despite not being dysphoric at the time?

What kinds of porn/erotics do you get off to now, compared to before?

What's your relationship with your family been throughout this?

How did you lose your friends coming out?

>and was the result of an underlying disorder.
What do you think of the view that AGP is the cause of dysphoria and transsexuality?

>Being a woman definitely has downsides, but it also has upsides.
What are the ups and downs?

>>8592764
>What do you think of the view that AGP is the cause of dysphoria and transsexuality?
Not them but I'd like to comment on this if you don't mind. The more cases I examine the more I feel like there are basically people who are just trans and get AGP (they have dysphoria etc) and there are people who are just super AGP and transition because they can't have sex otherwise. I've seen too many people who don't fit the idea that only one narrative is true. Pretty much all of the people who said it is just sexual for them that I've seen so far said that they didn't experience dysphoria. Pretty much all of the AGPs who say they experience dysphoria also say that it is not just a sex thing and that they hate their bodies etc. It sounds like there are two groups.

Let me clarify that I think it is perfectly reasonable for both to transition. People should do what they want with their own bodies.

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>>8591669
Any other agp games?.
Second Life comes to mind.

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>>8587859
I don't think that I'm AGP really eaither but I still come to these threads. I guess I'll answer too.

>At what age did you start imagining yourself as a woman? What age are you know, how did AGP progress through your lifetime?
So this is going to sound bad but I didn't actually start imagining myself as a woman or even consider being a woman until I was 16 when I found out what transexuality was. Befor that I had just considered myself a feminine man and wanted to preserve my youth and femininity as much as possible. At that time I considered myself straight but only wanted to date a woman who was taller, stronger, into pegging and princess carrying etc. When I found out that people sometimes want to change their gender I immediately though "Oh this is probably what I need to do to be happy."

>Have you had romantic feelings to men? To women?
Both but I never could really click with any of the women I had feelings for, for obvious reasons. I tried getting a girlfriend once and it was just a disaster. While I know that I had minor crushes on guys when I was younger I didn't let them develop into anything until after I had found out that I could try to become a woman. I guess the desire to be straight was really strong in me. Now I'm exclusively into men. Even though I can still be attracted to women I'm just not compatible with them.

>Are you submissive in your fantasies? Are you submissive in your life?
Yes and sort of. I'm very sexually submissive but in real life I have work to do. So I'm mostly focused on trying to advance my life and my career. Surgery doesn't pay for itself, you know. So in my every day life I guess I'm just very blank. I don't express myself the same way that I do in my personal life.
(cont)

>>8592957
>I don't think that I'm AGP really eaither but I still come to these threads
Not to say that you shouldn't, but why?

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>>8592957
>>8587859
>Do you have lesbian fantasies?
I did when I played the game TiTS but other than that no. Why then but never again? Because Sera was literally my waifu when I first played that game. It actually fucked with my head how much I liked that character so I had to stop palaying it for a while. I don't fantasize about lesbian sex irl or having sex with any real females.

>Do you crossdress?
Yes and no. I still dress myself as female but only in private as practice for presenting female entirely at some later date. I never really crossdressed recreationally. I guess I just never had a chance when I was younger, big homophobic family in a small house.

>Do you roleplay as a girl on the internet?
I don't really roleplay anymore. I roleplayed in the 7th grade and didn't really know what I was doing. Now I just plain AM a girl online. I don't have any other online identity. I just live as a woman online for everything that isn't related to work.

>Do you practice anal masturbation?
Yes and no. It's not a regular thing for me because masturbation isn't a regular thing for me. I don't own a dildo. But I have fingered my ass alot.

>When you jerk off, do you do that normally (gripping the shaft in your hand and pulling it up and down) or you have your own way
I tried doing it by only rubbing the head like it was a clitoris. It was too much stimulation for me and almost drove me insane before orgasm. I just stopped fapping entirely after starting HRT.
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>>8592967
>>8592957
>>8587859
For reference I've more or less decided to transition now. I just wholeheartedly feel and have felt that I'm not a real man even if I'm not really a woman in the sense that what I'm attracted to amd my experience of attraction and my body image and self conceptualization are all incongruous with everything that I saw as being common in other males throughout my life. And my sexuality in particular was just entirely incompatible with the vast majority of heterosexual females if I was trying to be their partner. I've been on hormones for a few months now and have a boyfriend that I love who knows basically everything about how I feel. I think that our relationship is very smooth and effortless compared to any that I've had with a female. And I really enjoy being treated like his woman and getting hugs and kisses and being carried etc. So I think that this is really right for me. As a man I really just didn't know what to do and wasn't comfortable with anything that was expected of me with the exception of some things related to work. As a woman I'm just happy. So even if people hate me when they find out my past I think it's still much better for me to just live as a woman entirely. It's the only way I can be happy.

>>8592961
Why do I come to the threads or why do I feel like I'm not agp?

Well I come here because it's better than mtfg by 999999999 times. That place is such cancer. And sometimes there's interesting discussion here.

I don't really consider myself agp just because labels are such a hassle. At first the idea that I might be AGP really distressed me but now I feel like I don't really care. It doesn't matter why I feel how I do. I just know how I feel. I don't want to live as a man and I refuse to. That's really the end of that.

>>8592977
This thread is %99.9999999 sad people being sad.
You don't sound like you're AGP in any way.

>>8592983
This thread doesn't feel sad at all.

>>8592988
Look at the first few replies to
>>8587859

We eternal anguish fampai

>>8592994
I guess it depends on the viewer.

>>8592977
>At first the idea that I might be AGP really distressed me
I know I'm AGP and I love it unlike anything else.

>>8593072
I want to be a woman and date men. The idea that I'm not really attracted to them and instead have some sort of erotic target problem is extremely distressing. Especially when you have a bf that you think you're in love with but you still exhibit some of the signs of being AGP and aren't sure about yourself.

>>8593084
I want to be a woman and date men too and I find the idea that my primary attraction is to myself hot and something I'd love my bf to understand and appreciate. To me it feels better and more loving than the thought of being attracted normally like I would be to a girl.

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>>8593095
>not becoming a living anime character and sticking to it

>>8593072
I'm
>>8587894
and I really don't get you. AGP is a curse for me. I really don't feel like it's the source of my identity.

>>8593105
SOON

>>8593109
?

>>8593105
I don't see it as separate from my wish to be a girl. It's like something personal and beautiful I have in myself, a special feeling I have that's so nice to experience and that I'd love someone to appreciate about me.

agp isn't real

>>8593605
t. agp in denial

inb4 narcissistic rage

>>8587846
You're exactly like me. I actually tried drugs to be a brainless husk but i can't get addicted to shit lol. Good luck i hope you make it

I'm thinking about getting on hrt too, i need to order them but i have only like 15mins to make up my mind or another day will pass by without this decision (but with tons of T ravaging my body)

>>8593605
Agp is still in the dsm it's just not used as a diagnostic for transsexuality, it's its own distinct condition

So what kind of porn are you lite trannies into? Is it all gender bender shit or do you get off to normal porn too?

>>8593630
I'll watch your bitch tears when transvestic disorder gets delisted from the DSM-V-TR in 2025 or so just like with the ICD-11.

>>8593650
Except we already know the DSM is politically motivated PC garbage.

>>8593697
>mention "it's still in the DSM!!!" as if it matters
>get told the DSM will probably not retain a worthless diagnosis that isn't guaranteed dysfunction anyway
>"abloobloobloo limp wristed librul garbage"

Keep cherry picking, I'm sure you'll find the sweetest bing yet.

>>8593650
Lol who cares. Nobody really uses agp like it used to be used. It's just a fetish that may or not mean you're trans depending on a lot of other factors

>>8593611
>inb4 narcissistic rage
Welp >>8593650

>>8593718
Nobody even knows what "AGP" is these days outside of 4chen and shitty shady blogspots where ancient ideas get resurrected by esoteric autists looking for the next big thing to be special snowflake with. It was popular for a brief period in the early 90's (in the real world, not your *chan delusion) and then faded.

If you tell people you have a gender bending fetish they will just not care. Maybe a gender therapist would care, but you only go to a gender therapist for one reason. Any other therapist? I've had two dozen psychs in my life. I told each and every one about my sick desires and let me tell you right now the standard response is to blink and nod. They've heard it all before.

>>8593727
>quote another post out of context b/c you get BTFO'd
>shout narcissism because they didn't just make a quippy one liner and hide the thread

lol the lvl of discourse on this board I swear it's like being in high school again.. there's more to making an opinion then shouting u mad at people lmao

>>8593712
>mention "it's still in the DSM!!!" as if it matters
Wrong but thanks for agreeing it doesn't matter.

>>8593629
Do it faggot

>>8593718
I wish you were right, Anon, but a ton of people here actually buy into AGP-as-in-blAnchardGP wholesale.

>>8593738
>Faggot
Wow rude you're implying she's male you should've gone with bitch

>>8593752
Nope, girls can be giant faggots too.

You giant faggot.

>>8593752
Maybe she's just implying anon is lesbian?

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>>8593756
Truly a brave new world.

>>8593643
I don't watch any porn, just softcore bikini /lingerie photos, qt anime girls and written erotica.

The pics are cis but the erotica is usually gender bender. It doesn't have to be though if I like what happens to a cis girl enough.

>>8593643
I don't watch porn. I mostly read erotica/look at captions. If it doesn't have feminization I'm not interested.

>>8593729
Yeah that's true. But a lot of guys with those fetishes aren't dysphoric so therapists generally don't care.

I never used my agp to diagnose myself. I legit just don't care if I'm trans lol
I'm kind of just winging it and hoping for the best. Never saw any therapists, so no clue if I'm legit trans but I'm okay with the side effects. I generally don't think I'm trans cause my feelings don't seem similar to most mtf's but it does seem like dysphoria comes in 'waves' so though I'm doubting myself right now I may not later, who knows.

>>8593893
Dysphoria coming in "waves" is super normal just so you know.

>>8593927
Yeah I've kind of realized that now. It sucks. I wasted so much time due to that.
The worst is I've been making most of my decisions to do this while not feeling very dysphoric I'm just doing it because I know what I used to feel like. It's required a bit of mental gymnastics lol
Still super unsure of myself but at the same time if a doctor told me to stop I probably wouldn't unless they forced me to.

>>8593893
>>8593951
If you experience gender dysphoria and want to be a woman you're trans. I honestly think it's that simple.

>>8593960
Well the tricky thing is that I find vags kind of gross and don't really want one. Plus I don't mind my dick. I still fap all the time, love anal sex. So maybe I'm just gay. There's more to it than that for why I started hrt but that's where a lot of my doubts are. Could just be BDD. But I don't really use my dick for sex, won't have kids either cause I wouldn't ever date a girl (too hard to explain this stuff to girls so I have always just stuck with gay dudes and bottoming). So really there's not a lot of downsides even if I'm not trans

>>8594022
>started HRT
>I still fap all the time

Not for long!

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>>8593738
I JUST DID IT HOLY SHIT WTF AM I DOING WITH MY LIFE why do i feel relieved tho...

It was far easier than i thought, 10/10

>>8594022
>Well the tricky thing is that I find vags kind of gross and don't really want one.
Then don't get one. You can be dysphoric solely about your body. That's fine.

>There's more to it than that for why I started hrt but that's where a lot of my doubts are.
Mind expounding?

>>8594024
Lol i usually only fap via anal so it's not a big deal
I learned how to have anal orgasms when young

>>8594055
Yeah it's mostly body issues. I had way worse dysphoria when younger but it kind of went away after telling people I was gay and trying out sex with guys
But I still always did the usual agp stuff like fantasizing about being a girl, have troubles visualizing myself as a guy in certain situations, and self-insert as a girl in porn
For a while I was really addicted to porn but that's gone away a bit

>>8594031
Good job fempai

>>8594099
>I had way worse dysphoria when younger but it kind of went away after telling people I was gay and trying out sex with guys
How'd it come back?

>Yeah it's mostly body issues
Trans af tbqh

>>8594112
I dunno why it comes back occasionally. Mostly depends on how my life is going.
My parents always seem to notice something is up with me if I'm not constantly working or in school so if I ever get too much free time my dysphoria always comes back

>>8594122
Makes sense. Good luck, Anon. I hope you stick with it. I think it'll make you happier.

>>8594134
Well realistically it's probably going to make my life a living hell lol

>>8594122
What do they seem to notice?

>>8594172
More so than dysphoria? I know being visibly trans is really hard in some parts of the world but plenty of people transition and go on to be happy.

I'm proud of u /agpg/ for using female pronouns by default

>>8593643
gay/lesbian porn, both written and visual. straight porn too.
also yaoi doujins

>>8594288
There might be cis AGP men here so I say they if I'm not sure someone's trans.

>>8594298
>cis AGP men

>>8594291
Gay and yaoi, but not yuri?

>>8594330
>it's another "AGP makes you trans" episode
A lot of cis guys have this fetish.

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>>8594330
not everyone fails at containing their fetish

>>8594343
Trans AGPs didn't fail at containing their fetish. They were trans and developed the fetish to cope.

>>8594333
[citation needed] that they're cis.

>inb4 anything that 'they're repressing' debunks

>>8594332
yuri is boring.
there was one i jacked off to though, but it's mostly really boring.

>>8594350
Why do you think that it is impossible to have this specific fetish and not be trans? Are all of the transvestites out there repressors?

>>8594350
they don't want to transition and don't appear to or claim to have any dysphoria, social or physical?

>>8594358
Transvestism could be (maybe even unknowingly) coping with trans feelings

>>8594369
Okay, but do you think this reasonably applies to all of them? They generally don't show any sign of being dysphoric. Why wouldn't this be a fetish that cis people can develop? There are weirder fetishes out there. Like, women turning into planes weird. I've been to /d/. What has been seen cannot be unseen but I learned that people can be into just about anything. Why this one exception?

>>8594349
If you say so!

>>8594380
I didn't mean every single one but some of them definitely might just feel attracted to it without thinking about or realizing that there's anything deeper about it even when there actually is

>>8594382
Pretty condescending desu. The idea that a fetish can shift one's gender identity is pretty silly.

>>8594390
I agree with you. My point wasn't that there aren't any transvestites who are just repressed transsexuals, but that there are a lot of cis men who are AGP.

>>8594380
>but do you think this reasonably applies to all of them?
Why wouldn't it?

>Why wouldn't this be a fetish that cis people can develop?
Circular question.

>>8594395
>pretty silly
Blanchardians eternally BTFO!

>>8594395
There's studies that show that sex occupies the male brain for about 50% of the time. It's not hard to believe that if you're thinking about AGP related stuff for half of your life it'll end up fucking you up. Specially when the fullfilment of your greatest fantasy is a few pills away.

>>8594408
>Why wouldn't it?
Because "every transvestite is a secret repressed transsexual" is a pretty enormous, baseless claim.

>Circular question.
You're the one avoiding providing an answer. Why would this one fetish be special?

>Blanchardians eternally BTFO!
By the entire medical establishment, yeah. Where's this quakery mentioned in the treatment protocols, again?

>>8594426
I do find it hard to believe, especially given all of the other fucked up fetishes out there that don't seem to affect people in this way. People literally masturbate to turning into airplanes but they don't experience dysphoria over not being airplanes. Why is gender dysphoria a thing and associated with this one fetish? Why is sexual orientation immutable but gender identity supposedly is easily swayed by masturbating to something a lot?

>>8593807
>I mostly read erotica/look at captions

How can you get off to this garbage written by 12 year olds and ESL fags most of the time?

>>8594262
I'm not even too sure. My whole family knows when I was a kid I used to ask to be a girl and it's like a running joke. Like only my brother seems to have clicked in to the reality of it now that trans stuff is everywhere.
I think my mom realizes it cause she constantly pushes me to keep busy even if I can only get shit jobs that lead nowhere or aren't even useful to my degree she just doesn't care. She's more worried about me having free time cause she always says I get "bad thoughts" but never really clarifies. My dad works out of town so I never see him much. I just get a weird feeling that my whole family knows and intentionally work against it.
>>8594266
Most likely I'd lose a lot of friends and family. They're not even happy about me being gay let alone trans.

>>8594464
Beggars can't be choosers. I can't get off to content that doesn't involve feminization.

>>8594466
>Most likely I'd lose a lot of friends and family. They're not even happy about me being gay let alone trans.
I'm sorry. You going through with this despite of that speaks of your determination.

>>8594529
Well I'm probably not going to come out, at least not intentionally lol
I'm hoping to move away soon and then whoever finds out finds out I guess. I already get a lot of bizarre treatment from friends and family being gay so I'm used to being a weirdo. Not all of my family knows I'm gay though. When we see our extended family it's really awkward cause none of them know.
But if I stay on hrt I'll need ffs anyway, at least to not look hideously ugly anyway. I could probably easily do boymode for a few years while I actually figure stuff out. I don't exactly have a plan for anything I'm doing I'm just somehow hoping everything works.

>>8594436
>a pretty enormous, baseless claim
Unlike women trapped in men's bodies?

>You're the one avoiding providing an answer. Why would this one fetish be special?
It's an invalid question.

>By the entire medical establishment, yeah. Where's this quakery mentioned in the treatment protocols, again?
Piss off. You don't get to make the argument of "pretty silly" and then turn it into argument from authority.

>>8594333
It's actually "trans makes you agp"

>>8594695
>Unlike women trapped in men's bodies?
Scientists don't make that claim though. What is claimed, and backed by plenty of evidence, is neurointersexuality.

>It's an invalid question.
Haha oh wow. Try "It's a question I can't answer".

>Piss off. You don't get to make the argument of "pretty silly" and then turn it into argument from authority.
Why not? I can call your silly quakery silly and then point out that actual scientists have long since dismissed it. Pointing out that the scientific consensus doesn't recognize it is hardly an "argument from authority".

>>8594716
Some of the time, but yeah.

>>8594716
>"trans makes you agp"
Proof or it doesn't happen.

>>8594786
You're born trans so AGP can't predate being trans.
A lot of trans folks are AGP, but not all of them, meaning that this is something that develops some of the time.

>>8594794
>You're born trans so AGP can't predate being trans.
You are born AGP so being trans can't predate AGP.

>but not all of them
Two etiologies.

>>8594828
>You are born AGP so being trans can't predate AGP.
Ah, see, but what I wrote is fact and what you wrote is fiction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

>Two etiologies
AGP can't be a cause of something that necessarily predates it. Furthermore a lot of gynephiles aren't AGP and a lot of androphiles are AGP.

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UN-AGP ME RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>8594839
>wikipedia.org
[not in citation given]

>that necessarily predates it
[citation needed]

>>8594903
Done. You're trans now though.

>>8594922
You can easily follow the papers cited by Wikipedia. That's the beauty of the site.

>>8594930
[not in citations of citations given]

>>8594958
Try reading.

>>8594031
Take a screencap of your post. Post the screencap in a year.

>>8594355
>yuri is boring
/co/ approves.

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>>8594925
What? Im not trans even if I was how would it change anything? Im getting turned on by thinking about transition, what is this bullshit
I want to be a normal man and get a gf, but instead of wanting to fuck girls I cant stop of wanting to be a girl getting fucked MAKE IT STOP

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>>8594031
and the funniest part is that in reality it changes nothing and you are exaggerating the importance of this step, you will be hugely disappointed, it's only a placebo effect of finally doing something you wanted for so long

I've been lurking this and other AGP threads for a couple of days to help me determine if Blanchardianism and/or non-Blandchardian AGP were real, but, holy shit, is it an absolute clusterfuck. I think I'll just remain agnostic on the matter. Kthxbye.

>>8595416
Its only an interpretation of what little collection of observations we all have, there is still too much to learn about all things trans

>>8595416
I don't think this board follows the official agp definition, agp on this board is like its own thing nowadays

>been into gender bender since I was like 14, to the point I can't fap to anything else
>not atracted to men but like to self insert as the girl in porn because it feels natural for my female version to be straight
>never tried crossdressing, never experienced disphoria
But after fucking 12 years I finally got really uneasy about my male body for the first time.

Going to be hell but time to drop the fetish.

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>>8595026
>What? Im not trans
>I cant stop of wanting to be a girl

>>8595425
Yeah, I think I'll just check in on this whole mess every few years until it starts becoming more clear. My hunch is that we are at or near peak politicization of all things right now, especially when it comes to questions of nature vs. nurture. This means that today's professional opinions are especially unreliable, but they will get better over time.

>>8595416
Try this one..
>>8593244

>>8595493

Bit late for that girl.

>>8587859
>At what age did you start imagining yourself as a woman?

10 or 11 maybe

>What age are you now?

27

>how did AGP progress through your lifetime?

Started with self inserting into female pov masturbation as a kid. Advanced into straight and lesbian fantasies over time. I mostly fantasize about having a dick now, but I can self insert as most genders. Cismale, cisfemale, transgirl transguy, etc. Being a twink-y trans guy actually sounds really hot.

>Have you had romantic feelings to men? To women?

I've had strong crushes on both sexes. I've alsos had sex with both ciswomen, cismen and transwomen. I prefer dick overall.

>Are you submissive in your fantasies?

Mostly.

>Are you submissive in your life?

Versatile but I prefer to bottom. I top my boyfriend as often as he tops me. He isn't masculine, but I've always wanted to try topping a more masculine guy.

>Do you have lesbian fantasies?

Rarely. The idea of being AGP disgusts me so I train myself to concentrate on other fantasies. Plus, I really like the sensation of having a dick inside me, so lesbian sex seems comparatively boring. And most vulvas I've eaten out have had an offputting smell. Its hot but not as hot as sex between two transgirls or two guys.

>Do you crossdress?

Yes.

>Do you roleplay as a girl on the internet?

I did some when I was younger.

>Do you practice anal masturbation?

All the time. Buttstuff is great. Also bad dragon toys.

>When you jerk off, do you do that normally (gripping the shaft in your hand and pulling it up and down) or you have your own way?

When I was younger I could only do it by humping a pillow or tucking my dick and rubbing it like a pussy. But as I've become older and less retarded I actually touch my dick. My favorite way is to rub the tip only.

>>8595635
>The idea of being AGP disgusts me
:-(

>>8593629
>>8594031
Good luck anon. I kinda feel like I should just jump on it too but I keep telling myself that I need to lose weight first to see the real shape of my body and face before I dive into it. Maybe I just keep coming up with new excuses.

Maybe I just need to start HRT, go femboy mode and come out to my friends if they start asking. They're way more leftist than I am so maybe they'll be open about it.

>>8595416
Just take AGP as the term defines it.

I don't buy into any more specific shit about it but the baseline description makes 100% sense. You can't say that the baseline version doesn't exist because so many people experience just that.

i gotta fucking stop AGP im objectifying women too much it's very creepy. I gotta like go no-fap although this shit's just toooo fucking wired in me to stop.

>>8595797
>im objectifying women too much it's very creepy.
You may wish to read http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/03/17/my-objections-to-objectification/.

>>8595797
Take HRT or find some other way to lower your test and it'll go away.

>>8595797
Objectification is a choice. Just stop. Your fantasies aren't making you do anything. Nofap is a faith based belief system and 99% of nofappers problems could be solved with more self restraint and just not being retarded.

all i can say is, that I want that skirt and top, so cute

>>8595858
yeah but i get off to many weird aspects of femininity, like voice inflection or even socializing with girls because that will make me girly (for this i imagine studying fashion at uni and being the only boy and stuff like this) and other psychological shit that's more nuanced.

It's fucking weird and absurd really. I wished i had the "i wanna have a female body thing" and let it be that.

>>8595893
>for this i imagine studying fashion at uni and being the only boy and stuff like this
But just imagine if you could combine your agp into your career.
You'd be unstoppable.

>>8595903
>choosing ur carreer based on AGP

wew lad----- that said i've thought about it but i'm 22 so it's a bit too late nowadays

>>8595709
Why sadface, fampai? How many people legitimately enjoy being agp? Even if it had no inherent meaning or Blanchard had intended for it to be neutral, the reality is that people consider agp disgusting. Its natural to want to distance yourself from it. Maybe one day nobody will give a shit and it'll be as mundane as being gay, but thats not the reality we currently live in.

>>8595917
Should've gone and been a wedding dress designer or something. They already cost a fortune and combined with agp you'd probably be cranking out like $30,000 wedding dresses.

>>8595921
Tbh if I transitioned earlier I'd be 100% on board with my agp, it's only a problem because I look like a fucking man

>>8596003
Same. I can pass if put in the effort, but its like, I'm not really attractive so wtf is the point? At least in femboy mode people actually approach and hit on me. I see so many cute agp sluts on tumblr and it just makes me feel like killing myself.

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Porn does nothing for me now, but feminization audio gets me off almost instantly. Im starting HRT, God forgive me.

>>8596183
Never been able to get into the hypno stuff. Some of it is super cringey too

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>>8592764
>What age did you come out and start HRT? And SRS?
HRT 17, SRS 20

>Why did you decide on SRS?
I wanted to feel totally like a woman, and my penis was kind of preventing that fantasy from fully actualizing.

>How do you feel about it now?
Fantastic. I've been getting a lot of feelings recently that I can't remember getting since I was a pre teen and my AGP was latent (pic related). Being comfortable with my body has allowed me to be way more open about my sexuality, especially to people I'm attracted to.

>How much did you see yourself as a boy/not a girl, before coming to terms with being trans?
Saw myself as pretty gender conforming when I was young, but I was also bullied a lot for being effeminate so in hindsight I think that was just denial/a result of desperately wanting to conform. After that I saw myself as an effeminate guy who successfully fooled people into thinking he was a girl, and now (after coming to terms with being trans) I just see myself as a run of the mill female.

>How much did you fit in with boys?
Not very much? I had few friends growing up, but the few I did have were a mix of boys and girls. Most of my close friends are women now, but it's still a mix.

>Why did you decide transition was the right idea, despite not being dysphoric at the time?
I knew that the thought of being a woman physically and sexually satisfied me more than almost anything else. With that fact in mind, I pursued my satisfaction without caring whether I fit the requirements for legitimate transsexualism.

>>8596156
Are you on hrt?

>>8596190
The 'hypno' part is a joke but its great for fapping and anything that tells me that Im a girl and have breasts and need to fuck with men and all that melts my brain and makes me feel so girly and horny. I used to selfinsert in porn but now I need to feel like im really a woman.

>>8596239
For a few years now, yeah.

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>>8596217
>>8592764
>What kinds of porn/erotics do you get off to now, compared to before?
In the last two weeks or so, I've gotten off to some clips from r/chickflixxx, some pics from r/ladybonersgw, and some audio from r/gonewildaudio. I think maybe 2 of those audios were of lesbian scenarios and 1 involved futa.

I used to get off to all kinds of crazy fetish shit, although most of it involved transformation or gender bender. A lot of deviantart, /d/, and kinky tumblr. I also had a recurring fantasy where I would have sex with a girl and we would switch genders mid intercourse.

I'm a virgin, so I can't comment on how it's affected my sex life.

>What's your relationship with your family been throughout this?
Well, I don't really have a family outside of my dad, but he's always been extremely supportive. He's bisexual, so LGBT issues are actually pretty personal for him. We live apart now because I'm going to university, but he paid for my SRS and is helping pay for tuition.

>How did you lose your friends coming out?
They were never able to fully adjust to treating me as a woman, so I eventually stopped talking to them. I should probably point out that I grew up in a very socially conservative area, so my story isn't all that unusual.

>What do you think of the view that AGP is the cause of dysphoria and transsexuality?
The problem with this view is that it brings up more questions than it answers. If AGP causes dysphoria and transsexuality, then what caused the AGP? No one is able to answer this, except through tautologies like Blanchard's "Erotic target location error" "theory"

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>>8592764
>>8596340
>What are the ups and downs?
Where I'm from, people tend to take women less seriously and see them as less of a threat. The upside of this is that you can fly under the radar, easily get help from people, and generally get away with any incompetence or aggression. The downside is that you can't easily command authority or physically impose on other people. That tradeoff works great for me, because I'm an anarchist who hates authority and I've always preferred subterfuge to physical violence.

>>8592683
>Anything you'd like to tell the self-doubters in this thread, or people who are early on in the process?
Anyone who tells you that an AGP shouldn't get SRS is full of shit. I fucking love my new vagina.

Sorry for the late responses, I fell asleep yesterday. I'll be around for a few more hours if anyone else wants to ask me questions about my SRS (or anything I guess).

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>think im actually trans
>start crying and get a boner

I love agp

>>8596425
>Anyone who tells you that an AGP shouldn't get SRS is full of shit. I fucking love my new vagina.

A few questions. My AGP isn't strongly tied to anatomy. Its mostly a wanting to be cute and not hideously manly thing. I can and do get off to the idea of having a vagina sometimes, but it isn't necessary for me to get off. I'd be happy just being a feminine guy with a dick who people recognize and treat like a woman.

What I want to know is, what does having a neovag do for you exactly? I'm afraid I'd hate it. Every time there's an SRS here its full of pics of disgusting frankenpussies. Even the so called 'good' ones look to my eyes like a chinese knockoff of the real deal. Did you have any fears about that? How did things ultimately turn out? What are some *bad* reasons to pursue SRS?

I just got notified that two new packages arrived for me to pick up at the post office. I'm anxious as fuck to pick up my new clothes but it's raining like hell and I have no raincoat or any other coat that I could wear. Why did it have to rain today? I just want my new cute clothes.

>>8595893
>and other psychological shit that's more nuanced.
Tell us.

>>8595921
>How many people legitimately enjoy being agp?
Me.

>>8587859
>at what age did you start imagining yourself as a woman? What age are you now, how did AGP progress through your life?
9 or 10? 31. It went from kind of vague quickly to swimsuit model. I was like 11, 12, 13 when I saw transsexuals in the media, and soon knew I wanted to actually change for real, but hrt for early puberty transition wasn't a thing for several years so I thought I couldn't do anything about it. I kept fantasizing of course, but haven't done anything
>Have you had romantic feelings for men? Women?
I've had sexual feelings towards women, possibly romantic feelings towards one or two but didn't date either of them. I have had a short relationship with one woman, but she initiated it, it didn't go much of anywhere, and we didn't do anything physical besides a kiss or two, maybe holding hands.
I have never been attracted to men, but now that cam sites are a thing, I can confirm that some dicks I would be okay with messing around with, provided they are attached to women. I think I would be fine with being attracted to men as well if I had a woman's body and a vagina.
>Are you submissive in your fantasies? Are you submissive in your life?
I am not especially comfortable with power dynamics in normal life or sexual fantasies. Mutual satisfaction is my thing.
>Do you have lesbian fantasies?
Definitely. Making out, going down on each other, squeezing and sucking each other's breasts.
>Do you crossdress?
A little. I have a few things but they're all casual clothing since I don't like leather or lace and the clothing itself doesn't seem to turn me on. I don't wear outfits outside the house, not that there is much to coordinate to begin with.
>Do you roleplay as a girl on the internet?
I don't necessarily explicitly identify my gender on the internet, but I don't do RP in chat or posts either.
I had two female characters back when I played WoW a few years back but did not RP, and I generally create women in games where you can create your character.

>>8587859
>>8597291
>Do you masturbate anally?
Nope. I think I stuck my finger in my ass once, not much happened and I don't have any interest in going further with that.
>when you jerk off, do you squeeze around with your hand, or some other way?
I beat off for years before finding out that was the way someone did it in a textbook. I tried that afterward but it didn't feel good. I put my fingers and palm over my dick and squeeze, not around.

>>8595917
You can run a fashion blog/Twitter/Tumblr as a career, you know.

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>>8596860
>What I want to know is, what does having a neovag do for you exactly?

I can put on shorts or a bikini without worrying about it fitting incorrectly. I can wrap my legs around a guy without something being in the way. I get wet when something is a turn on, masturbation is feminine and satisfying, and I can pee just like any other girl. Also, a vibe in my vagina feels amazing, and it's easy to smuggle drugs in your snatch :3

>Every time there's an SRS here its full of pics of disgusting frankenpussies. Even the so called 'good' ones look to my eyes like a chinese knockoff of the real deal. Did you have any fears about that?

Absolutely. Initially I didn't even want SRS because of how invasive the surgery sounded, but eventually I caved after I started getting genital dysphoria. I spent most of the months leading up to my SRS terrified that I'd end up with some horrific result, like a non descript hole or a clit the size of a finger tip. Thankfully I got neither of those, and I'm actually really satisfied with the result. The scars aren't too major either, so I think I might be able to hook up stealth once they heal. I'm not stupid though, I'll take precautions to ensure that I'm not going to end up as a dead tranny in case he gets wise.

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>>8596860
>How did things ultimately turn out?

Here's a picture of my vagina. The scars will fade over time.
https://imgur.com/ZIXpeNT

Functionally everything works pretty well. Orgasms are harder to achieve but 10x better and I can do multiples. I never get wet enough to soak my panties, but I can always masturbate without lube so long as I keep the penetration light. Supposedly I have only 6 inches depth, but for some reason that's enough to fit the dildos I own(?)

>What are some *bad* reasons to pursue SRS?
Well, considering the fact that I extensively modifed my body because of a fetish, I'd kind of be a hypocrite if I said there was a *bad* reason to puruse SRS. That being said, I think you should make sure you really want to irreversibly get rid of your penis before going under the knife, and in most cases shouldn't get SRS before FFS (if you need FFS).

Thanks for the SRS related questions. I don't mind answering other questions, but I didn't exactly come here to impart general knowledge about my transition.

>>8597366
Don't you need to be a cis girl?

>>8597409
>I get wet when something is a turn on
How can neovaginas do that?

>but eventually I caved after I started getting genital dysphoria.
When did you start getting genital dysphoria? How bad was it?

>or a clit the size of a finger tip.
How do you feel about your neoclit?

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>>8596425
>I'm an anarchist who hates authority and I've always preferred subterfuge to physical violence.

>>8597425
Well if you're on hrt and pass it's just as good

>>8597450
>if you're on hrt and pass
anon...

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>>8597433
>How can neovaginas do that?
As I understand it, the gland which makes pre cum, AKA the cowper's gland, is retained and makes vaginal lube post SRS. The cowper's gland is homologous to the gland which makes vaginal lube in cis women AKA bartholin's gland so it's the same stuff really.

>When did you start getting genital dysphoria? How bad was it?
A few months after starting estrogen. At first I could keep it at bay by tucking it, but it eventually got to the point where even seeing it made me feel naseous, and masturbating made me literally want to throw up.

>How do you feel about your neoclit?
Great! It's about the size of a pencil eraser, feels good when I rub it, and doesn't make it noticeable when I get turned on in public. I really couldn't ask for more.

>>8597441
I'm not an ancap. Corporations and the state are no different from one another, and we only like to think they are to maintain the illusion of freedom that capitalism sells us.

>>8595921
This. I fucking hate this thing, and that's while knowing Blanchard's version is false.

>>8596217
>Being comfortable with my body
waitaminute I thought you said you didn't experience dysphoria

>>8597473
>but it eventually got to the point where even seeing it made me feel naseous, and masturbating made me literally want to throw up.
Why do you think it got worse on E?

It's weird how variable AGPs' feelings are about their genitals, even the same AGP over time.

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>>8597481
Comfortable in the sense that my body is how I want it to be. I never was dysphoric about my body pre-transition, but I constantly had a sense of longing for what girls had. I don't have that anymore, because I already have it.

>>8597493
>Why do you think it got worse on E?
I think because that was about the time I started getting serious about appearing feminine. It could also be a neurological effect of hormones though. There's no way to know for sure.

>>8597532
>Comfortable in the sense that my body is how I want it to be. I never was dysphoric about my body pre-transition, but I constantly had a sense of longing for what girls had. I don't have that anymore, because I already have it.
Okay umm did the longing make you miserable? Were you sad about not having a woman's body?

>>8597478
What's the true version and what's hateful about it?

>>8597425
I don't mean posting your own photos. Ask >>>/biz/ about it.

>>8597532
>I don't have that anymore, because I already have it.
You pass then?

How different do you think you would feel if you didn't?

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>>8597536
>Okay umm did the longing make you miserable? Were you sad about not having a woman's body?

I don't really remember that, but I also don't really remember feeling anything besides a strong desire to be female.

Are you trying to convince me that I actually had dysphoria but just didn't realize it at the time?

>>8597553
>You pass then?
Yep, stealth.

>How different do you think you would feel if you didn't?
I'd probably still have AGP. I still had it when I didn't pass 100% at the beginning.

>>8597561
Do you think you'd regret transitioning if you didn't pass?

There's a theory that AGP goes away with presenting female and that transition in boymode means AGP never goes. That seems to fit your experience.

Does the self hate ever stop? I've been living with shame of crossgender fantasies since long before I had ever heard of the term AGP. Because of this I've never fully committed to transition, even though its something I so obviously want.

It doesn't even matter if I'm never seen as a woman in the social sense. I'm fine being a femboy. I'm just tired of regretting the last 10 years of my life and waking up hating myself every single day.

I'm tired of being tempted to take a chisel to my face because I can't look at my reflection in a mirror without feeling dead inside.

I've tried to drown out the thoughts. I've tried to build a positive male self image and allow myself to enjoy the things I want to without the guilt. But all feel is disgust when I see the male me doing them.

I hate saying it because I know its fucked up, but I can't live with myself knowing I'm not feminine or cute enough.

Every time I throw away the estradiol and tell myself I won't be tempted again I am. I know I will be, but I can't stop hurting myself because I know I'm sick in the head and I deserve to be a miserable piece of shit.

If theres one thing I wish I could do, its stop sabotaging what little happiness I'm capable of making.

I feel like I'm beyond salvaging at this point. I don't think I could even hold down a job long enough to pay for the things that would make me happy. But nothing in life comes easy.

And more and more all I want to do is end my bullshit existence.

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>>8597473
>Corporations and the state are no different from one another
This is actually something that ancaps would agree with you about.
>we only like to think they are to maintain the illusion of freedom that capitalism sells us.
Meh.

>>8597547
>What's the true version?
See
>>8592934

>What's hateful about it?
It feels invalidating. Like I can't engage my identity without an unwelcome intrusion of erotic impulses. It makes me feel fake. It doesn't allow me to just be myself without bringing sex into it. If I wasn't like this I might've realized I was trans before it was too late.

>>8597561
>Are you trying to convince me that I actually had dysphoria but just didn't realize it at the time?
I'm trying to make sense of you. I don't want to influence you. Sorry. It is just that people tend to think dysphoria is solely a visceral hatred for some aspects of your body when it can also just be depression over not having a female body.

>>8597591
Allosexuals bring sex into their lives when being themselves with a partner and they don't feel invalidated.

>>8597579
>I'm tired of being tempted to take a chisel to my face because I can't look at my reflection in a mirror without feeling dead inside.
>I've tried to drown out the thoughts. I've tried to build a positive male self image and allow myself to enjoy the things I want to without the guilt. But all feel is disgust when I see the male me doing them.
T R A N S
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>Every time I throw away the estradiol and tell myself I won't be tempted again I am. I know I will be, but I can't stop hurting myself because I know I'm sick in the head and I deserve to be a miserable piece of shit.
You're sick ,but not in the head. Your body's messed up. Trying to fix it is not wrong.
You sound obviously, extreme trans. Just go ahead and transition.

>>8597579
Have you tried anti-anxiety meds or other treatments? Regardless of what you decide to do with your AGP, it sounds like you might use some short-term relief.

>>8595632
Well it's even more late for everything else so it's not like I have a lot of options. Plus pretty sure I'm CIS and this is just my kink getting out of control because I've been pretty weak emotionally as of late. I mean I would have get disphoria earlier if this wasn't the case. R-Right?

>>8597609
I don't have a problem with autosexuality, but with sex seeping into every bloody crack of my life if I allow myself to be myself. It's torturous.

>>8597621
At least go see a doctor.

>>8597621
>Plus pretty sure I'm CIS and this is just my kink getting out of control
There's no difference between that and trans.

>>8597636
I disagree. A lot of people are dysphoric and are AGP on top of that.

>>8597617
I don't belive trans is really a thing. I mean people obviously belive in it which gives it material consequences, but crossgender identification is a spook.

If I'm depressed because the mirror doesn't reflect the me I want to see, thats obviously a brain problem. My body simply is. It didn't do anything wrong.

And it seems incredibly shallow to dramatically alter yourself just to become satisfied with your own reflection, or to change how people perceive you. In this way I think both agp and 'real' trans are both wrong.

>>8597642
What she's describing is dysphoria.

>>8597625
Allos do the same when they make everything about their partner, do everything together, etc.

>>8597630
And what do I tell him?

>>8597636
Trans people tell stories about a sense of non belonging to their biological gender since forever, I never experienced anything like that. I only got disphoria 1 (one) time in my 12 years of fapping to gender bender and the idea of me doing girly things. I want to stop with it because I fear things could escalate.

>>8597645
>I don't belive trans is really a thing. I mean people obviously belive in it which gives it material consequences, but crossgender identification is a spook.
I don't want to derail this thread but please, please check out the one I'm linking. There are good reasons to think otherwise.
>>8593244

>If I'm depressed because the mirror doesn't reflect the me I want to see, thats obviously a brain problem. My body simply is. It didn't do anything wrong.
It's not just about how you see yourself. It's about how you feel your body ought be. Even if it was just about perception, though, would you say that a burn victim has a brain problem because they're disconcerted by their reflection? Reacting negatively to seeing that you're not alright is not insanity. Doing otherwise is strange.

>And it seems incredibly shallow to dramatically alter yourself just to become satisfied with your own reflection, or to change how people perceive you. In this way I think both agp and 'real' trans are both wrong.
It's about being comfortable in your skin. Perception is just a tool by which you come to know yourself.

>>8597619
>>8597619
I self medicate with alcohol because healthcare is expensive. I wouldn't even know where to begin. I was diagnosed with AvPD as a teenager. Every decision I make is dependent on being as opinonless and invisible as possible. I've never been able to get past it. The thought of putting myself in situations where I'm vulnerable to criticisms that highlight things I hate about myself makes me incredibly uncomfortable. I'm worse than an autist.

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>>8597473
>>When did you start getting genital dysphoria? How bad was it?
>A few months after starting estrogen.

shit, I hope it doesnt happen to me
I already wouldnt mind getting rid of my junk but at least I dont hate it

take you pills, girl, they said, it will cure AGP, they said...

>>8597651
I feel sick because even speaking about identifying as a woman can sometimes arouse me. What don't you understand? Either I deny who I am and suffer because of that or I be who I am and suffer because I get aroused by everything when I just want to exist. I wish I were asexual.

>>8597652
>And what do I tell him?
Everything.

>>8597661
>I wouldn't even know where to begin
Go see a psychiatrist.

>>8597666
Hey, it did cure her AGP by the sound of it..

>>8597657
>It's not just about how you see yourself. It's about how you feel your body ought be. Even if it was just about perception, though, would you say that a burn victim has a brain problem because they're disconcerted by their reflection?

The issue is that the burn victim had a normal body beforehand. Nobody changed me from a female to a male. My normal state is male.

>It's about being comfortable in your skin. Perception is just a tool by which you come to know yourself.

Thats fair, but how far does it go? Most people engage in self improvement in order to center themselves within the context of other people's desires. An AGP may seek transition for these reasons as well, but there still remains a strong inward focus that says "I can't be happy with me until I am the sort of person I find attractive." Gay men do this as well (masc4masc) and its rightly deemed odd and narcissistic.

>>8597694
>The issue is that the burn victim had a normal body beforehand. Nobody changed me from a female to a male. My normal state is male.
Please read that thread. There are some strong, scientifically-supported arguments for transsexuality being a sort of intersexuality. A birth defect. I don't want to bring this argument here because we've had it many times before and it will fuck up the thread for the next hundred posts.

>Thats fair, but how far does it go? Most people engage in self improvement in order to center themselves within the context of other people's desires. An AGP may seek transition for these reasons as well, but there still remains a strong inward focus that says "I can't be happy with me until I am the sort of person I find attractive." Gay men do this as well (masc4masc) and its rightly deemed odd and narcissistic.
I'm not sure I understand your argument. What is there to gain by denying your wishes to yourself if there is nothing wrong about pursuing them? If anything, since such wishes don't seem to ever go away, not pursuing them makes little sense.

>>8597645
>obviously a brain problem.
That is clearly true. The problem for you is that at this point in the history of medicine nobody knows how to fix your brain's preferences and make it accept a masculine body. Thus, the standard recommendation is to readjust your body to be more feminine. You should remember that you can choose this solution as a practical matter of survival without buying into the whole self-righteous, defensive narrative that it would be unethical to fix brains if the fix were available.

>>8597661
tfw avoidant personality myself and completely flushed my life down the toilet with every opportunity I had
needless to say I spend 99.8% of time home alone and mostly use anon spaces online
being agp/trans on top of this is JUST
I dont hate myself for it but Id never let it out or show anyone, repression is the only way

>>8597669
I don't understand why it sickens you for it to arouse you.

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>>8597572
>Do you think you'd regret transitioning if you didn't pass?
I'm not really sure. I only decided to transition because I was pretty sure I would pass, but I was happier on HRT even when I was in boymode.

>>8597601
>It is just that people tend to think dysphoria is solely a visceral hatred for some aspects of your body when it can also just be depression over not having a female body.
Huh.

>>8597645
>And it seems incredibly shallow to dramatically alter yourself just to become satisfied with your own reflection, or to change how people perceive you.
Who cares if it's shallow, you've only got one life. Do what you want with it.

>>8597645
interpretation is ''correct" when its VIABLE or in other words lets you live your life minimizing your suffering, not wanting to off yourself constantly
and live normally in society

>>8597744
I can't think of an analogy that isn't really stupid or that captures the entirety of the situation. I'll go with two. First, suppose that your one calling in life, something that you feel that you need to do in order to have a chance of being happy, is being elementary school teacher. Unfortunately you're sexually aroused by performing your job and by being recognized as an elementary school teacher. You're only happy when you dedicate yourself to this career but there is a constant uncomfortable sexual undercurrent where there really really shouldn't be one. You doubt yourself and wonder whether you're just a pervert in it for the thrills, using innocents as props for a fetish. This despite your actual motivation not being sexual at all. Even without this doubt, though, the inappropriate sexual undercurrent would still feel awful.

Secondly, suppose that you get aroused by people interacting with you without abusing you. You obviously want to be happy and crave positive human interaction like anyone else but every time you get aroused in an inappropriate situation, like when talking to your mother or answering the phone or helping a child cross the street, you feel wrong and guilty. You end up isolating yourself to not hurt anyone.

These analogies are bad and I apologize for failing to come up with anything better but for me AGP feels like a combination of the two.

>>8597744
because you dont make dramatic life-changing decisions on a whim of your dick (and if you do it ends tragically)

>>8597836
People leave their families sometimes to live with gfs/bfs that the family didnt want together with them. You say, oh but that isn't sexual! Well yeah but how many relationships would even work if 1. There were no sexual attraction to the other person (they're hot, beautiful) and 2. There was no sex involved. So people DO take crazy decisions based on their dick, atleast partially based on it.

>>8597787
The elementary school teacher situation involved children. That's not their with AGP. AGP is more like a straight guy admiring how women. That's normal. It's just a different kind of admiring.

Being aroused in normal situations happens to straight guys too, whether it's seeing a hot girl or just a random boner. Even if it's awkward, it's not hurting anybody and isn't a need to isolate yourself.

>>8597836
Transition is different. We're just talking about the sexuality itself, regardless of transition.

>>8597787
>you feel wrong and guilty.
What if you just used mindfulness techniques or something to stop feeling guilty about it? In the hypothetical you'd still be aroused by normal interactions but wouldn't mind it and would ignore the arousal. Would that be an improvement in your opinion?

The guilt and scrupulosity - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrupulosity - ITT is through the roof. It makes me so curious about what a totally guilt-free psychopath would do if they had AGP.

>>8598025
Embrace and enjoy it and be the happy girl she ought to be!

>>8597980
>The elementary school teacher situation involved children. That's not their with AGP. AGP is more like a straight guy admiring how women. That's normal. It's just a different kind of admiring.
If I present as a woman I get aroused. There being children nearby doesn't change that. As an aside I don't feel like a "straight guy admiring women".

>Being aroused in normal situations happens to straight guys too, whether it's seeing a hot girl or just a random boner. Even if it's awkward, it's not hurting anybody and isn't a need to isolate yourself.
It's a constant thing though, and I could make sure it doesn't happen by just not presenting as I'd like.

>>8597997
I think that'd be the equivalent of someone doing immoral things while convincing themselves that they're not immoral. If I managed to convince myself I'd, but definition, not mind but from my current point of view that would still be wrong and I wouldn't want that.

>>8598200
>If I managed to convince myself
Do you actually try?

>>8598209
No, as I feel that would be wrong. I don't want to feel that way around innocent bystanders.

>>8597645
No, the spook is the assumption that being born with a dick implies you have to run on testosterone for your entire life and subscribe to society's spooky notion of what a "man" is supposed to be. The true egoist perspective is to take the hormones that you clearly want but deny yourself because of spooks

>>8598200
>As an aside I don't feel like a "straight guy admiring women".
It was just a comparison.

>It's a constant thing though,
That's not a problem and it may fade anyway.

>and I could make sure it doesn't happen by just not presenting as I'd like.
There's no need to!

>>8598225
It won't them, you know.

>>8598398
It won't hurt them*

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