"JUST LICK MY BALLS OR YOU'RE A TRANSPHOBE, OKAY?!?!"

>>8548835
They aren't and they dont.

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>>8548838
Then what's with "Jazz" here and so many other examples lecturing people and talking down to them because they aren't interested in having sex?
"No thanks" shouldn't be followed with a debate about how they are a "real girl". No mean no, rapist.
Pic also related.

>>8548835
better question: Why can't trannys accept that they are not real women? Why can't they accept exactly who they are?

>>8548838
What if a guy was interested in you, found out you were trans and then was not interested in you anymore.

Would you just accept it or try to debate with him about it?

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>>8548838
What's another way to explain the video Op posted? It's insisting that straight guys shouldn't have a problem with dating transgirls because they are "just like any other girl".

>>8548845
>>8548854
>>8548881
1. I'm a gay guy, not trans.
2. I wasn't saying that a tiny minority of trans women don't believe this, but I'm certain that most would simply accept potential sexual partners preferences and move on.
3. They are right to a degree. Why are we so hung up on trans people? I was attracted to a guy until I found out he was ftm and then I just couldn't bring myself to go there.
That is more to do with my own hang ups than him being trans.

Why if we're attracted to someone does that attraction disappear once we find out their trans?
Clearly it's not their physical looks, it's a conditioned mental hang up which I hope to lose and I hope society at large loses.

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>>8548900
>That is more to do with my own hang ups than him being trans.
But there you go, you're calling it a "hangup" like it's something you need to get over or you can get over.

That's why this is like "pressuring" people into sex. "Just get over your trans hangups".

It's exactly like calling a straight guy a homophobe because he won't fuck you. Something like that is way off base, same with trannies.

>>8548921
It is a hangup and something society needs to get over.

I was attracted to the things that made him effeminate, the softness and smoothness of his skin, the shape of his butt. They were attractive and I thought he was an mtf in very early transition.
What's weird is that would have been somewhat acceptable to me.
When it triggered in my mind that he was actually born a female, the attraction disappeared.
So clearly it's not that I'm hard wired not to be physically attracted to ftms, there's some societal pressure that says I'm a gay man and I can't fuck someone who was once a woman.
But I'd be more okay with fucking someone who was a man but wanted to transition to a woman.

I don't believe it's the same as a gay man being upset that a straight man doesn't want to fuck him.
Straight men like women, not men. I am a man, a trans woman is a woman.
The same way the ftm I met is a man, not a woman. So it's pathetic that I still regard him as a woman on some level.
It really isn't fair and I hope I changes.

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>>8548979
>It is a hangup and something society needs to get over.
no it isn't.
>They were attractive and I thought he was an mtf in very early transition.
>What's weird is that would have been somewhat acceptable to me.
>When it triggered in my mind that he was actually born a female, the attraction disappeared.
Sounds to me like you've got your own problems to deal with and you and trannies should leave the rest of society out of it.

You're suggesting that fucking EVERYONE needs to change their whole outlook on life, their sexual orientation, their personal boundaries and their feelings of attraction for a small minority of men who dress in women's clothing.

How about you "go fuck yourself".

>>8549008
There's no doubt in my mind my feelings are the same feelings of most people.
Clearly lesbians and straight men are attracted to some mtfs, but once they find out they're mtf the attraction goes.
Why is that?
It's clearly not a biological instinct we've evolved to have.
So it must be an environmental hangup we have.

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>>8549025
>Clearly lesbians and straight men are attracted to some mtfs, but once they find out they're mtf the attraction goes.
>Why is that?
Because there is more to attraction than looks. Someone could have an annoying voice or a bad smell that never washes away or they're just a bad person. Many factors contribute to attraction.
>It's clearly not a biological instinct we've evolved to have.
Bullshit. If you bit into an apple and it was black inside and crawling with larva you'd probably be sickened, panic and vomit. Those subtle, unexplainable feelings that come from attraction ARE BIOLOGICAL. It's an instantaneous, instinctive reaction and it's exactly why people are gay, straight or bisexual. No one thinks themselves into being a lesbian or bisexual because attraction and arousal doesn't work that way.

>>8549046
>>they're unexplainable
>b-b-but they're biological cuz I said so

Go stare at the wall really hard while you "solve" the mind-body problem, cretin.

Yeah this talking point trend disturbs me. So sick of trannies.

>>8549054
you're attracted to who you are attracted to. It's not something you "decide", which is exactly why trannies shouldn't bully people into fucking them.

>>8549062
>can't even rebut just restate his own non-argument

People who can't understand philosophy should not debate philosophy.

PROTIP: Explain to the class how the unexplainable feelings are 100% rooted in cited, verifiable biological fact with full peer-reviewed bibliography.

I'm waiting.

>>8548835
the fact that early transitioners have to pay for their female puberty with the inability to ever get srs brings me a sick joy.

>>8548900
> I was attracted to a guy until I found out he was ftm and then I just couldn't bring myself to go there. That is more to do with my own hang ups than him being trans.
This just sounds nuts. If a gay man was attracted to me until he found out that I'm an FtM, I'd kinda assume it was, you know, THE VAGINA. Which is not a "hangup" that I expect him to fix. I really only date bisexuals for this reason.

The "cotton ceiling" shit is weird and rape-y, please don't make excuses for it. It make us look like predators.

>>8549069
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7QZnwKqopo
This is attraction. Birds don't have philosophy or tranny fuckhead date rapists who wax poetic or shame people into fucking them.

>>8549079
>The "cotton ceiling" shit is weird and rape-y
>"cotton ceiling"
lol, no. people really don't call this that, do they?

wow, that makes me uncomfortable. lol.

>>8549079
>FTM sides with TERFs
>yet again

Really makes you think.

>>8549079
>FtM having TERF views

Hm, there's a big surprise

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>>8549089
>jewtube video as source

Didn't click! LOL!

>Birds don't have philosophy

>>>/an/

>tranny fuckhead date rapists who wax poetic or shame people into fucking them.

You just sound mad because you have no real argument.

Daily reminder you have not solved sexuality or the mind-body problem or any of the complexities of human attraction and in fact you are just a projecting internet pseud trying desperately to convince depressed people to kill themselves to bring the tiniest bit of joy to your own worthless life.

Meme crusader.

>>8548835
Trannies are going to have to accept what everyone else has to deal with: There are many people who aren't attracted to you and will never fuck you.

Get over it.

>>8548835
Reminder the hash proves this is the ban evading child porn spammer.


Sage and report him before he escalates to cp spam and stalking kids.

Report en mass. Get rid of the kid fucking criminal in >>8548835

>>8549099
>>8549100
>trannies bullying everyone and shouting them down insisting their warped world-view applies to everyone
surprise surprise.

>>8549046
I know there is.
The fact is if you meet someone, find them hot and like their personality and like them until you find out they were born the opposite sex, then that's not a biological issue.
It's clear that there are environmental factors in your (well my) sudden unattraction.

I don't agree with your apple anecdote, it's not the same thing.
A better anecdote would be biting into a green apple that looks red on the outside. In fact that's not even a good anecdote....
More like biting into a red apple that tastes like a red apple but used to be green.

Why are you so upset by this subject?

>>8549079
He doesn't have a vagina.
He has a proportionate sized dick and bigger balls than me.

>>8549103
>You just sound mad because you have no real argument.
"I'm not going to fuck you" and "People aren't obligated to fuck you or explain themselves to you" is all the argument I or anyone needs.

Accept it or don't. It doesn't matter either way. Nothing is going to change reality.

>>8549107
>the crazy tranny that accuses everyone of being a pedophile
Hi. Do you have mirrors in your house? Do they make you sad?

>>8549109
I'm not shouting anyone down. It's interesting that you're contextualizing yourself as a vulnerable female and trans women as aggressive men tho

>>8549117
Alas, the internet pseud retreats behind his own undefinable "reality" as the typical stormfag does as he runs out of any legitimate argument to field. Just pretend God is on your side, yeah! God is on my side too and he says you're a doody head! This is how debating works!

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>>8549114
>The fact is if you meet someone, find them hot and like their personality and like them until you find out they were born the opposite sex, then that's not a biological issue.
>Genitalia have nothing to do with biology!
Wow, you fuckers have gone off the deep end.

>>8549122
>the crazy pedo who makes this thread over and over and over again and pretends nobody will ever notice

>>8549123
>It's interesting that you're contextualizing yourself as a vulnerable female and trans women as aggressive men tho
If the shoe fits. Who else gets a pass to manipulate people into sex if not men pretending to be women? Who else would act like that too?

Straight men. There's no mystery here.

>>8549123
TERFs try every tactic to appear the victim because it furthers their contrived narrative.

>>8549122
>>8548835
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8511436/#8511617
Hi pedo!

Remember how they banned you for life for evading your CP ban and stalking underage children again?

Looks like you can't break your pedo habits.

Report >>8548835 don't tolerate his pedophiloa or he'll escalate to stalking kids on Facebook and posting their pics and then to Cp again!

>>8549132
What you fail to realize is that most people don't like trannies or their fucking bullshit and it's simple as that. There is no conspiracy and every thread questioning a trannies and their shit-for-brains philosophy isn't some single phantom pedophile out to get you.

You have no argument and you just lash out.

>>8549131
As I said before, I'm a Cis gay man.
I'm just not an ignorant transphobe.

>>8549137
Says the pedophile who stalked kids on Facebook http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8511436/#8511617


Why did you post your cp stash, sir?

>>8549141
>TERFs try every tactic to appear the victim because it furthers their contrived narrative.
Trannies project their thoughts on everyone and can't seem to understand that other people have independent thought.

>>8549144
Except for your posting pedophilia, admitting to it and getting consecutive lifetime bans. Your stalking kids is sick!

>>8549146
yet you won't fuck them and guilt yourself over it.

pathetic.

>>8549150
Am a man. You seem a little projecting yourself, though. :^)

>>8549156
You are a man in a dress obsessed with and paranoid about pedophiles that don't exist.

>>8549144
Can you type anything at all that isn't I HATE TRANNIES rah over and over again? lol

I'm still waiting for a real argument that isn't appeal to popularity or made up statistics you won't even try to defend.

>>8549150
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8511436/#8511617
Pedophiloa project their sex abuse onto others. Stop >>8548835 everyone, he's already escalated to posting images of little kids. Next is creepy Facebook photos and then Cp.

>>8549160
>pedophiles don't exist on 4chan

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

spot the FOTB

>>8549160
Your repeated bans over pedpo say otherwise you sad man

>>8549149
>>8549156
>the hash shitposter is back

>>8549162
This tactic doesn't even work here.

Do you shout at people in public calling them pedophiles if they wince at you or disagree with you?

>>8549166
I've never been banned. This is an anonymous board. you can't just call everyone a pedophile like you know shit.

>>8549167
>OP butthurt because his trol throd is shat up

Hope he ruins all of your future "contributions" to this board shitter.

>>8548835
This is getting off topic.

Trannies aren't allowed to bully people into sex. It's disgusting that "Glamor" magazine would support this shit.
The end.

>>8549099
>>8549100

>anyone that doesn't want to fuck me or thinks that people are obligated to be attracted to me is a mean terf :(

>>8549168
Do you shout at people in public calling them trannies if they wince at you or disagree with you?

>>8549144
>>8549150

inb4 samefag denial

>>8549173
>literally calling MtFs a men in a dress and giving FtMs a coincidental free pass
>not TERF as fuck

Wild TERF spotted.

>>8549168
You said the never been banned thing while banana posting and then got globals for cp

>>8549174
No but I do wince at trannies. They are gross and they know it.

Hence the defeated and embarrassed look they always have on their faces.

>>8549178
protip: never met a mentally ill, weird or pushy FTM. Chill as fuck.

>>8549172
Off topic because the image hash proves this was started by a child porn spammer

>>8549182
>Hence the defeated and embarrassed look they always have on their faces.
lol, I've seen this.
>"Heh, I-I'm happy. T-this is what I want. I-I'm a real woman and this is o-okay. . ." as they make coffee for people who can't look in their eyes.

>>8549173
You're literally using TERF talking points.

Pretending that the reason multiple people are calling you out is just sophistry is very dishonest.

Classic feminist misandry.

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>>8549137
I have never manipulated anyone into sex and after all the shit me and my cis friends have had to deal with from straight men, the thought of what you're implying disgusts me. You people are sick. Questioning the reasons why cis people "just aren't attracted" to trans women is just as valid as questioning the reasons why so many white people "just aren't attracted" to black people. It's not rapey to question people's hang-ups about dating a marginalized group. Actually pressuring people into having sex with you is rapey, but we all know that nobody is actually obligated to have sex with anyone else, only the most egregious "cotton ceiling" transbians believe otherwise. So by prefacing your argument with "nobody is obligated to have sex with you", it's like you're poisoning the well with this notion that we're actively trying to rape people. Just more of that white-ass shit you second-wavers have always tried to pull.

>>8549182
>Backpedaling after you've been exposed

TERFs are cancerous cretins who deserve to have been aborted in the womb.

>>8549182
>>8548835

You said that during one of the threads where you boasted about sleeping with 14 year old girls. I doubt you see anyone pedo mouth breather.

Report him everyone. There's undeniable proof he's the criminal posting kiddy images. Don't let him put you in legal risk.

>>8549197
"I don't want to fuck you" is not a "TERF" talking point.
>Classic feminist misandry.
because you're men, right?

>>8549201
>You people are sick.
says the man in a dress pressuring people into sex

This is why it's better to call your kind "perverts", enough with this trans bullshit.

>>8549197

So you think trans people are entitled to sex with whoever they want? You disgust me.

>>8549197
TERFs use every tactic in the book to appear like an innocent third party being assaulted by all the evil men. It's despicable. The "goal", if you can call it that, is to convince men & trannies to kill themselves by belittling them online.

Only a feminist can eschew morality this hard.

>>8549204
Actually >>8549182 isn't a terf he's some sad old man who bragged about how he gets all sorts of action with teenage girls.

You'd better report him cause he's had the habit of posting nude and specialized images of kids here

>>8549213
>>8549212
>>8549207
>calling MtFs a men in a dress is not a TERF talking point

clg is leaking I see. Are you going to shout about niggers and jews again today as you LARP as a man once again, telling me how desperately you hate men while you act exactly like a redneck 45yo man?

>>8549201
>It's not rapey to question people's hang-ups about dating a marginalized group.
yes it is. They have no obligation to explain it and you have no right to bully or talk down to them because they won't fuck you.

That literally works with no other group on Earth but here is Glamor™ and the tranny brigade to tell people that their attraction is "wrong-think".

>>8549207
>because you're men, right?
No, because your hatred of us is motivated by your loathing of men, in common with other feminists.

>>8549225
Unless CLG is filled with middle age men who post child porn, it probably isn't them. Don't discuss with him, just report, or else he'll move up into spamming if he isn't quickly punished.

>>8549226
x-D i used orwell terms to brand the opposition as totalitarian! So kewl and 2006!

Seriously, the passive-aggressive underhanded levels of """debate""" on this shithole board make me seriously long for high school social studies class.

Transbians, like the average straight man, believe they are entitled to having access to cis women's bodies. They aren't even content with fucking other transbians, they specifically have to fuck cis women because they recognize that they're real women and find them more attractive than trannies like themselves.

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>>8549226
>>8548835

Why don't you think sexually abusing teenage girls is wrong think?

Why do you think people have forgoten about your infamous pedophile spam from the first half of the year?

>>8549230
>Unless CLG is filled with middle age men who post child porn

That's basically what it is.

>>8549201
>So by prefacing your argument with "nobody is obligated to have sex with you", it's like you're poisoning the well with this notion that we're actively trying to rape people.
Then why even make arguments?

It's not like straight guys make videos guilting and shaming women who don't hug them and want to fuck them. Actually to be fair they do, but they don't get promoted by YouTube, Glamor Magazine and People Magazine. And people also rightfully make fun of them online.

Pic related. All he needed was a dress and you would have cheered him on and Glamor would have produced a video for him.

>>8549225
>calling MtFs a men in a dress is not a TERF talking point
It's also reality. What do you think you are? A "Woman"?

>>8549215
Can't let a woman be blamed for anything, can you!

>>8549201
>It's not rapey to question people's hang-ups about dating a marginalized group

People that are into women don't like penis. People that are into men don't like vagina. How is this hard to understand?

>>8549245
>why even bother debating back at me lol? i'm always rite anyway!!!!

Why even breathe on this plebeian planet? Just kill yourself and go be the divine power you've always dreamed of. Then you can kill all the MtFs you want.

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>>8549245
>>8549237
You said the same thing last time pedophile. Nobody buys your fake act when they all know you're an old man who posts cp on the side

>>8549253
TERFs pretending reality is in consensus with them just like Christians pretend Jesus is in consensus with them.

The typical tactic of the internet autist is to retreat behind no arguments and shout really loudly to "hurt feelings".

It's pretty sad, the fact you think a bug like you could ever hurt my feelings on a congolese dancing consortium.

>>8549237
Watch out, saying anything other than what a tranny wants to hear will get you called a "pedophile" on this board.

Of course, the sick pervert tranny thinks that everyone who has a normal opinion is one single pedophile.

It's confusing to understand the mentally ill, so I don't recommend trying.

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>>8549245
forgot the pic :(

But you knew who it was anyway.

>>8549265
Passive aggressively replying to third parties instead of people arguing with you because you want to "hurt feelings" without stating a real counter argument.

Constantly brings up the one anon hash poster because it's a convenient strawman to brand all the other opposition by.

>>8549260
Shephoknee isn't a child. She's a perfectly normal transwomyn.

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>>8548835
Reminder that >>8548835 is an infamous child porn spammer who bragged about his ability to evade punishment.
>>8549280
Yeah but you posted actual child porn. And admit it like in pic attached. You just RP as a terf on the side. creepy
Sage and report. Do not reward him with discussion. Help the mods stop his evasion.

>>8548835

http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7987978/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8093853/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8107329/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7985603
Reminder this guy has admitted to posting child porn as a joke

>>8549226
Oh it's not "wrong-think". It's just plain fucked up. Second wave white woman "holier than thou" protectionist bullshit died for a reason. You're not "endangered" by marginalized people coming into "your" spaces. Wasn't so long ago when lesbians received the same treatment from straight feminists. Crying rape and using the untamed sexuality of marginalized people against them has been passe for white women since Harper Lee.

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>>8549265
>>8548835

I love how you said the exact same thing... While posting underage kids. And how you got banned a little while after.

>>8549298
I'm a man you touchy pervert.

>>8549302
>knowing if someone was banned on an anonymous image board
>knowing who people are on an anonymous image board
you must be psychic. You sure as shit aren't a mod being this mentally ill.

>>8549304
you're a self hating tranny who makes these threads + the blanchard/AGP spam to bite down the pain

you can deny it all you want but the more vile you spew & the more obsessively you use this board the more obvious it becomes

>>8549311
>"I don't want to fuck you"
>"Please don't rape me"
>"vile and obsessive hate speech"
trannies everyone.

>>8549308
They post bans on one of the pages. Yeah, they do say if you get 30 day bans. Poor pedo.

>>8549314
nice desperation in your subject dodge repressor

>>8549314
Why didn't you give the same courtesy to that twelve year old you talked about getting action with?

>>8549326
not an argument

>>8549331
neither was >>8549314

>input shit
>expect to receive gold

It's like you're all new to 4chan. And you are!

>>8548835
Oh look, the daily /tttt/ terf thread

>>8549099
>>8549100
>only TERFs believe gay men aren't obligated to like vaginas

kys

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>>8548900
i don't see anything wrong with you thinking you were attracted to a male when they were a girl in the end especially since you are gay. Nothing wrong with that. The problem is not people rejecting trans people because they are trans. Let me try to explain, the mix-up is when you have trannies who don't pass, are insecure, and have the personality of a wash board so they mold it solely on the fact that they are trans which makes them cringey as fuck and no one wants cringe.

This is the real problem, been on hrt for 5 years got srs works just fine and I pass. Anyways the real issue is when you have a straight or bi guys feel attraction towards you based off looks without you controlling it. Same issue why women get hit on randomly but worse because when you tell them you are trans they go ape shit like it's my fault, most people can only care on a superficial level.

Because of this I worked on my personality and building my interests and generally just being a positive person to attract other positive amazing people in the hopes of finding someone. It's still not enough because even if you are amazing and successful being trans I've gone on multiple dates telling a guy who seemed super into me and I felt a connection but when I told him he just instantly started judging every aspect of me. For example "oh you put your bra on like a girl" "do you always cough like that" after drinking water and it went down the wrong pipe. Shit like that i'm not making it up it's that fucking superficial after you tell someone whom you thought you formed an a connection with.

Like I said all the trannies you see like riley j dennis are just insecure as fuck and have no personality outside them saying they are trans and that causes problems for the rest of us who actually work on improving ourselves because to cis people all they see is the insecure loud unpassing trannies that fuck all of us over in the end.

>>8548900
>Why if we're attracted to someone does that attraction disappear once we find out their trans?
Why does your attraction to someone stop at sex? You're so fucking misogynistic you just stopped being attracted to any women? Gay men are the most bigoted group out of any, and yet you're on your high horse preaching stupid fucking shit.

>>8549402
This!

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>>8549402
same anon, to continue. I dated a person whom I thought was a guy for 4 years and they knew from the start that i was trans just starting my transition. Well you know what? turns out they are trans as well after 4 years of dating and they told me they were lesbian and I fell in love with this person but it was still hard as fuck because I prefer men and only sleep with women in a non romantic level. So because of that there was a huge incompatibility issue that ruined our relationship so we broke up. Also she never treated me that well after 2 years of dating anyways but my blind love didn't recognize that. Oh also in the end she ended up being romantically trracted to men so yeah the whole situation just fucking sucked.

It was like experiencing a broken heart, lesbian bed death, and the feeling that guys get when you don't tell them you are trans after dating them for years all in one fucking package. I'm well aware and have alot of perspective on this so when I try to date I find true genuine people but even then that isn't enough for them to actually be into you. I guess you could say only true love can mend a transwomens heart and I gave up on that pursuit a long time ago. So I currently am just improving myself and getting a job and actually being decently successful streaming on twitch.

>>8549402
>"oh you put your bra on like a girl"

Ummm what??? Sometimes I'm glad I'm not into guys lol

>>8548835
BEHOLD THE ANSWER TO THIS THREAD

no we dont want to fuck you, get over it

>>8549114
>He doesn't have a vagina.
>He has a proportionate sized dick and bigger balls than me.
I'm vaguely curious as to how you determined he's had a phallo if you haven't fucked him.

But okay, doesn't really change my argument. Something I was going to say earlier but left off because I was busy: he may also still have physical cues left that are female. By your description, actually, he does. There's a difference between reading someone's facial structure, bone structure, etc. as unusually "fem" or "tomboy" for their sex and realizing they're actually female/male and that's why they have those markers.

You're just gay and not attracted to females. There's nothing wrong with you.

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>>8548854
tell him it's okay and then lock myself in my room and take enough benzos to stop caring, then just drink until whenever everything runs out and i have to be functional again
idk, i know i would have just done anything near me if it happened to me, but i moved in with my bf earlier this year and he was just, "oh, ok." and just didn't care desu.

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>>8549427
it's hard knowing when to tell a guy in general that you are trans so the way it happened was it was one of those moments when everything just clicked so you just start randomly making out with the person but I felt really bad because I hadn't told him yet so I pushed him away and started crying and finally told him and he said he was fine with it and wanted to sleep with me but since I can never get to the level of experiencing sex after my break up with my ex we didn't really have sex since I was like experiencing virginity for the second time after my surgery so this guy was the first experience after my ex. Augh! what a mouthful to type lol.

So we tried having sex but it didn't work out cause he didn't know shit at all on how to sleep with a woman and I didn't really know either cause I was a virgin sorta. Still learning what I like and how my body reacts to intimacy ect. So it was just awkward and he really really really wanted PIV and I told him it was to uncomfortable and just wanted to make out and cuddle. In the end it didn't workout and so I got dressed and that's when he said that....

People being attracted to a person before they are trans but not after is like a person expecting a math equation to have a different result if written in two different languages.

>>8549464
It's interesting that you had SRS after only five years, when I'm seven years on and still nowhere closer.... Honestly it's difficult for me to take showers or even exist while I still have this crotch tumor.... Sorry that sex didn't work out, hopefully you can work up to it soon.

>In the end it didn't workout and so I got dressed and that's when he said that....

Yeah but I don't really get what he meant. Does he mean in the back or the front? Still a really rude thing to say to a trans woman, I can't imagine any of my partners saying that.

>>8549464
>>8549425
>>8549402
>it's hard knowing when to tell a guy in general that you are trans
lol, why don't you just date people who are into trans? Put it all out in the open. Lots of dating apps will accommodate you.
Don't give me that shit about not wanting to be "fetishized", everyone else has to deal with that.

Gay guys have a much better chance and a happier outcome if they go after men who are openly attracted back at them. Straight people deal with this normally. Fat people date chubby chasers. It's the way of the world yet transwomen seem to think it's "insulting".

>>8549469
2x0=0 doesn't translate into Roman Numerals.
>the more you know™

>>8549479
Because to a transwomen it's like admitting that you aren't a woman which just isn't true at all. If you are gay then obviously you pursue other gay men because straight men are straight. And since I am generally considered an attractive person I always get people into me without my control so I just ignornore people liek that. I honestly have no interest in pursuing a date right now. I am more into getting a job, making money, and saving up for a motorcycle that I can ride if you know what I mean.

>>8549476
It's what happens when you are born into wealth and have good genetics anon-kun

>>8549476
Oh also thanks, I got SRS from Suporn back in 2014 and it takes a long time to recover fromt hat surgery but even longer for me since I'm very anemic in general. Sex toys have been my best friend as they have provided feels I have never felt before lol.

>>8549483
>Because to a transwomen it's like admitting that you aren't a woman which just isn't true at all. If you are gay then obviously you pursue other gay men because straight men are straight. And since I am generally considered an attractive person I always get people into me without my control so I just ignornore people liek that.
But this is the root of your problems. It's this bullshit trans snobbery that gets you into bad situations.

You aren't a "woman", you're a "transwoman" and that is something you can't escape. All this is, is your insecurity and people like you dump it on others. Look at Jazz in, Op. She's not introspective at all. Everyone is supposed to change for her.

It won't work that way.

>>8549483
>Because to a transwomen it's like admitting that you aren't a woman which just isn't true at all.
that's a little crazy, you know?

>>8548835
I don't get this, why would I want to have sex with someone who doesn't treat me as a woman anyway?

>>8549201
> Questioning the reasons why cis people "just aren't attracted" to trans women is just as valid as questioning the reasons why so many white people "just aren't attracted" to black people.

They're both invalid.

Straight men generally aren't attracted to trans women because they're attracted to females and not males. White people are largely not attracted to blacks because evolution dictates that you're supposed to be attracted to your own subspecies first and others as a last resort to keep the entire species going. There are literally dozens of reasons why whites and blacks are not attracted to each other...right down to smell (white women will find black men to smell most UNattractive when ovulating, for example). People also find their own race most attractive from birth (babies will stare longer at pictures of people of their own race) and one experiment found that people will find their own face more attractive than others when elements of their own face were mixed by computer into an opposite-sex face.

Failure of different races to be attracted to each other is Mother Nature fucking telling you NO, STOP. It's not "socially constructed" any more than straight men not liking people who were born with dicks and gay men not liking people born with vaginas.

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>>8549513
>(white women will find black men to smell most UNattractive when ovulating, for example)
ugh, that smell

>>8549505
I don't identify as trans at all because of what the media and far left has done to it. If I say I am trans I get treated like an insane left feminazi.

Ultimately what I want is if we lived in a society that was more educated on sex ed knowing what intersex conditions are and that transsexualism is a neurological form of that and people knew and understanding what that meant. There would be more understanding in general and no stigma at all.

If that happened I would have no problem telling people in general that I suffer from transsexualism. It's not an identity to me I was just born with an unfortunate sex development disorder and I would totally be fine with finding men who are fine with it because if that happened there would be more men who would and if I dated a guy who just openly said I am not attracted to you but no social stigma behind it that would be amazing to me. It would give me more confidence in dating. To sum it up telling someone you are trans has a huge social stigma that I can;t accept right now.

>>8549505
>You aren't a "woman", you're a "transwoman" and that is something you can't escape.

Not her, but... It's something I'll have to. Or else I won't make it. That's just what life is like for us, that's why so many of us go stealth. It's a question of survival.

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>>8549511
We are all a little crazy my fellow anon. We all live in our own heads because the at fields are to stronk these days.

>>8549513
>Straight men generally aren't attracted to trans women because they're attracted to females and not males.
Then why are men dating transwomen THEN finding out they're suddenly 'not interested'? I mean, they like females, right? So how could they go on a date with this """""man"""""?

Oh, right...because 'female' is stand-in for 'feminine expression'. I guarantee your friends aren't lining up for Buck Angel, after all.

It's amazing just how much damage 'normality' does to a person's ability to think. They seriously can't reason out this most basic of shit.

The race thing is shit also, as any discussion of race would necessitate degrees of miscegenation and crossbreeding - you're just using 'gross color', which is pointless. The baby isn't staring at the picture because it recognizes haplogroup RB1-PHUQ2, but because the skin is light. It's basic similarity, not some kind of Detect Lineage spell.

>>8549513
>Straight men generally aren't attracted to trans women because they're attracted to females and not males
except they are females and are read as such. yes, I do think that a guy has the right to not want to date someone with a penis or a vagina but don't act like all people have some sort of natural trannydar

>>8549536
>Not her, but... It's something I'll have to. Or else I won't make it.
No, you just have to accept yourself. Maybe then you could start to be "happy". But seriously, if you really were a real woman, you wouldn't have to go though so much fuss.

After that, you might be able to accept the people who are attracted to you for you, not the facade you put up masking as a real woman.

>>8549614
>But seriously, if you really were a real woman, you wouldn't have to go though so much fuss.

What do you mean?

>After that, you might be able to accept the people who are attracted to you for you, not the facade you put up masking as a real woman.

Chasers don't love the real me. They love the deformed aspects of my body, and they love what they want me to be. But I'm not that person. I won't be their "qt trap". Gay men should stay away from me.

>>8549547
>Then why are men dating transwomen THEN finding out they're suddenly 'not interested'? I mean, they like females, right? So how could they go on a date with this """""man"""""?
>Oh, right...because 'female' is stand-in for 'feminine expression'. I guarantee your friends aren't lining up for Buck Angel, after all.
lol, so a straight man who is both unattracted to a "transwoman" with a penis and a "transman" with a vagina is somehow confused or a hypocrite?

No. Let me put it simply. Straight men are attracted to real women. End of story. They don't have to have a deep thoughtful moment on their opinion on trannies. They don't have to think of you at all and they don't.

>>8549558
>except they are females and are read as such.
unless they are naked, which is kind of the point. A man with an origami meat vagina will never be a woman.

>>8549547
>It's amazing just how much damage 'normality' does to a person's ability to think. They seriously can't reason out this most basic of shit.
No one is obligated to "reason" themselves into being attracted to trannies or fucking them.

Fuck off.

>>8549631
not true, people (especially dumb men like you) can't tell

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>>8549631
>implying most SRS vaginas can be clocked just by looking at a trans woman's naked body

>>8549624
>But seriously, if you really were a real woman, you wouldn't have to go though so much fuss.
>What do you mean?
lol, you tell me. If you were born a woman, you wouldn't have to go though the trouble of "becoming a woman" from a man.

Real women just are. They didn't have to get surgeries, file paperwork and go to a doctor to become one.

>>8549624
>Chasers don't love the real me. They love the deformed aspects of my body, and they love what they want me to be. But I'm not that person. I won't be their "qt trap". Gay men should stay away from me.
Naw, you want some unsuspecting straight guy you can manipulate. That's totally a great idea.

I'm sure that's been working out great too, huh?

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>>8549614
I do accept myself anon, that's what I meant when I said I focus on myself and work on staying positive and increase my hobbies, self improvement self knowledge and self pursuit of happiness. Not worrying about finding someone. When you worry about that then you don't accept yourself. I literally told you that when I open myself to other people that was what my experience was like and you just outright ignored it and blamed it on me. please stop gaslighting because that is literally the main issue men have with transsexuals.

>>8549637
>>8549636
trick or trap. either way, you're not a woman.

Ovulate or something. You're just some experiment of modern science with severe limitations.

>>8549639
>Real women just are.
Because society acknowledges and validates them since birth

>They didn't have to get surgeries, file paperwork and go to a doctor to become one.

we do that because we got fucked over at birth

>>8549654
nope, but nice try gayboi

>>8549639
I'm not "becoming a woman", I'm a woman in a really shitty situation, what do you want me to say?

>>8549626
Just so we're clear, you just recanted your original argument. By reducing the argument to genitalia (as you predictably would), you clearly point out that in fact, it wasn't your perception of male or female that mattered at all. Your lack of attraction is based purely and solely off a factor that isn't even -known- until you're already 'interested', which leaves only one conclusion - your actual hatred is because this person is trans.

There is no amount of 'just'ing, no amount of 'umm let me rephrase', and no amount of 'well like its simply...' that will change that.

>>8549633
No, you're not 'obligated' to, just as you're not 'obligated' to learn that your child will die if you feed it the wrong materials in its infancy. However, you won't be shielded from societal consequences just because you foolishly choose not to use your ability to think because it might be hard.

>>8549660
>Because society acknowledges and validates them since birth
no. nature does.

>>8549661
All you have is illusion. Real women just roll out of bed.
>>8549663
>I'm not "becoming a woman", I'm a woman in a really shitty situation, what do you want me to say?
You mean you're a woman that's a man? Is that your "shitty situation"?

This thread is really telling. Delusion is all around.

>>8549665
>Just so we're clear, you just recanted your original argument. By reducing the argument to genitalia (as you predictably would), you clearly point out that in fact, it wasn't your perception of male or female that mattered at all.
Wrong. The whole picture, the whole person is part of attraction. Only trannies need to trick people into attraction. The rest of us just be.

>>8549669
We as humans classify things that nature does. Nature doesn't give a shit about anything.

>>8549674
>All you have is illusion. Real women just roll out of bed
illusion? are you alright? maybe you need to see a psychiatrist

>>8549674
the actual delusional one is you please educate yourself
http://www.functionalneurology.com/materiale_cic/389_XXIV_1/3373_sexual/

>>8549665
>No one is obligated to "reason" themselves into being attracted to trannies or fucking them.
somehow becomes
>No, you're not 'obligated' to, just as you're not 'obligated' to learn that your child will die if you feed it the wrong materials in its infancy.
don't be hyperbolic and bring up dead or dying children because no one is interested in fucking you or the reality of your "gender". That was a terrible analogy.

The problem with the trans-rights movement right now is you've all yet to explain what's in it for everyone else. You aren't asking people to "leave you alone" but to have society change the definitions of words and everyone else to alter their beliefs, lives and attraction for you.

No.

>>8549688
>illusion? are you alright? maybe you need to see a psychiatrist
Then why transition? It's an illusion to make a man into a woman. Most of the time it doesn't work and you're stuck in the "uncanny valley".

>>8549694
>The problem with the trans-rights movement right now is you've all yet to explain what's in it for everyone else.

What the hell? No rights movement in history was predicated on that. "Oh but what's in it for our oppressors???" Fuck off.

>>8549706
>What the hell? No rights movement in history was predicated on that.
Except for trans. "I'm a real girl, you should be attracted to me like other girls!" just like Jazz said.

>>8549694
you are basing your opinions on us from sjw queer proganda. Do you realize that the trans movement has been taken over by them? Actually transsexuals are .03 percent of the human population. Do you seriously thinkw e are large enough to actually represent ourselves properly? All we can do is post on fucking 4 chan yet we deal with this... it makes me cry.

>>8549694
im not part of any "trans-rights movement", I'm an actual "trans" person and yes all I want is for people to leave me alone, nobody has to change anything for me because I am seen as female by default.

>>8549705
There is no illusion. if you are seeing things that don't exist then see a doctor

>>8549694
There is no hyperbole in comparing two situations where you choose not to do things that are not 'obligated'. There are millions upon millions of examples. If you don't like that one, choose 500,000 more.

We do not owe anyone a reason to exist comfortably. What do wheelchair-bound people 'give' to society in order to 'make' society leave them alone and 'give' them special treatment like ramps and parking spots?

Neither are we asking for society to change its words -- science is, just as happens when science learns new stuff about anything. You think we had quarks and leptons when I was in school? Fuck no. Epigenetics? That didn't exist. LaGrange Points? Never heard of them. Or how about 'dark matter'? Ever notice that over time, 'shell shock' became 'post traumatic stress disorder' as it became known it could affect more and more people under different circumstances? Words change, even ones you've known a real long time. So does history -- witness Gobleki Tepe. So yah, it's time to update some meanings. Welcome to life on Planet Earth. It's not a reason to hate us, beat us, or demand we apologize for living.

Having rights should be the default state of being. I'd be interested in a spirited defense of a different position.

The thing is, when a straight cis man can have full penetrative sex with a completely passing tranny, enjoy it and ejaculate it is CLEAR that he was attracted to you. You haven't raped someone, they fucked the shit out of you and it was good.

If they are disgusted after the fact that IS THE DEFINITION of transphobia. AFRAID of transgender. They aren't afraid of the pussy, the tits, making out, having dinner, talking or anything. They aren't afraid of the sex.

They are afraid because they don't want society to see them as gay.

I suppose for straight men its like on agents of shield when the bad guy who hates inhumans finds out he is one. ILL JUST KILL EVERYONE AHAHAHAHA!!! So yea, if you irrationally hate trans people for no reason you feel awfully betrayed but desu you are a piece of shit in that case anyway.

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>>8549744
tfw a person cares more about not being gay then being happy

>>8549717
>you are basing your opinions on us from sjw queer proganda.
And so is everyone else. The loudest opinions are the ones who get heard today with the internet. Transpeople have a huge PR problem on their hands because the dumbest and most obnoxious are the ones speaking for you.

>>8549725
>nobody has to change anything for me because I am seen as female by default.
until people ask a few questions or get close to you.
>What do wheelchair-bound people 'give' to society in order to 'make' society leave them alone and 'give' them special treatment like ramps and parking spots?
lol, maybe you are disabled but comparing yourself getting only cosmetic work to a wheelchair bound person having access to a building is pretty fucking bottom feeder of you.

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>>8549750
>>8549744
>>8549717
You want to know what feels good? I get to be in relationships with people and they know who I am and accept me for who I am and I don't have to say to myself "If they knew X about me, would they still love me?"

I don't have to hide anything. I'm grateful I'm not trans and this fucking insecure.

>>8549744
>They are afraid because they don't want society to see them as gay.
They want a wife and a family with biological children, not a man in a dress playing "house".

These men don't have to kowtow to you.
>>8549750
>tfw a person cares more about not being gay then being happy
There are plenty of gays who are very happy and straight men don't want to date men that look and act like women because they are not women. Dating women makes them happy, not pleasing your ego and delusions of womanhood.

>>8549833
>until people ask a few questions or get close to you
nope, everyone in my life knows me as a normal girl. you could ask my friends, co workers, my boyfriend's family

>>8549868
but if they ever found out, you'd be in the shit.

they'll know someday.

>>8549833
I find it fascinating how incapable many people are of understanding that analogies are not necessarily objective comparisons. I'm not sure when this behaviour arose (seems to be about 2008 or so I began to notice it), but it's become endemic at this point. Suffice to say you need a better understanding of how these kinds of subjective comparisons work rather than objective comparisons.

>>8549895
just state your argument instead of comparing yourself to dying children or disable people which are both (understandably) sympathetic parties.

Trannies are not sympathetic at all.

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>>8548835
>/pol/tards in the comment section chimping out hard
L M A O

Also what's up with Jazz looking like Ted Cruz now?

>>8549895
It's a generational divide that simple anon kun

>>8549910
she always had man-nose and an ugly mouth.

>>8549870
not really, besides, that has nothing to do with what's being talked about

>>8549909
not to you because you're uneducated and an unsympathetic person

>>8549933
>not really, besides, that has nothing to do with what's being talked about
then tell them the truth. lol.

>>8549943
I don't have any need to disclose details about my medical history to anyone, sorry

>>8549933
>not to you because you're uneducated and an unsympathetic person
not feeding into your indoctrination isn't "uneducated". And no, people generally think visible shameless perverts like trannies are a sympathetic group of people.

>>8549956
>I don't have any need to disclose details about my medical history to anyone, sorry
yeah, but, they would all abandon you the moment they find out.

Marriage unravels many things. You'll have to put names on documents. A simple background check is all anyone needs. You were born a man, it's who you are. Lying to everyone will catch up to you some day.

>>8549964
changing your legal documents is a thing background checks can only see so much especially if you fixed ur legal shit early on. you would have to pay someone a shit ton of money to specifically find dirt on someone and no one does that unless you are famous.

>>8549983
it's not that hard to search aliases. you're delusional.

you'll be caught.

>>8549957
you should really try opening up your mind to things you're uncomfortable to face. it would do you a lot of good

>>8549964
>yeah, but, they would all abandon you the moment they find out
no, I know how to pick friends. also you're assuming that there would be such a moment, there wont. you're wrong to think that information is available.
>You were born a man
nope I was born a baby, and I don't lie to anyone. do you disclose to everyone you meet that you have a small penis?

>>8549992
>you should really try opening up your mind to things you're uncomfortable to face. it would do you a lot of good
no, I'm happy and in a relationship. No one is going to change their lives and attraction for you. Stop bullying and pestering.

>>8549850
>biological children
I'm early twenties and literally every straight man I know is a huge slut out to bang as many chicks as possible. Not a single one of them wants to have kids right now. This argument only holds weight in a minority of sex-only-for-procreation wierdos who aren't really the types trannies are generally attracted to anyway because generally being really religious means being anti LGBT most of the time.

>>8549992
>no, I know how to pick friends.
You just can't tell those friends the truth, and you know why because of their reaction.

>>8549964
okay okay, back up. Lieing on the first date and lieing in a marriage are two completely different things. I'm sure there are tons of successful relationships where people fibbed on the first date.

>>8550001
great plan. has good long term potential.
>lol

>>8550011
>okay okay, back up. Lieing on the first date and lieing in a marriage are two completely different things. I'm sure there are tons of successful relationships where people fibbed on the first date.
lying about being trans is a pretty big fucking deal and you're used to lying so you don't know that other people generally don't act like that.

Also, this is the slippery slope, you like on the first date and things just move on. Eventually months or years pass and you still haven't said anything.

Eventually you've painted yourself into the "tranny corner".

>>8549744

It's because you're not a woman.

>>8549999
>No one is going to change their lives and attraction for you
see >>8549725

>Stop bullying and pestering
I'm not, just suggesting you could try educating yourself and maybe not be so cold hearted, it must be a sad existence

>>8550008
no, because I have no need to. my best friend knows and my boyfriend knows, thats enough for me. again, do you disclose to everyone in your life that you have such a small penis? i mean im sure its obvious

>>8549744
>You haven't raped someone, they fucked the shit out of you and it was good.
spoken like a true rapist.

see? you are a man.

>>8550033
>my boyfriend knows
then it's a non issue you mong. why are you arguing?

>>8550044
it is a non issue, Im not the one trying to argue here, you guys are responding to my posts

>>8550040
Consensually fucking a woman is not you getting raped by that woman.

>>8550050
but you're a man raping another man.

where is this woman in your scenario?

>>8549547
>Then why are men dating transwomen THEN finding out they're suddenly 'not interested'?
Because they found out the person they're dating is male. This isn't fucking complicated.

>I guarantee your friends aren't lining up for Buck Angel, after all.
Who are "my friends"? I guess you're assuming I'm friends with straight cis men? I dunno, maybe one or two?

But no, straight cis men are not going to be attracted to Buck Angel because he did everything possible to look male although he's female. THIS. IS. NOT. HARD.

>The race thing is shit also
Because feels! Also muh skin color!

No anon, people can tell the difference between an albino black and a white person.

Just the fact that we can tell the difference between races by scent alone (and sight unseen) BTFOs your "skin color" nonsense.

>>8549558
"Trannydar" is irrelevant. We're discussing when they find out.

>>8550068
>Because they found out the person they're dating is male. This isn't fucking complicated.
lol, how come everyone but trannies understands this?

>>8550059
You trivialize rape by equating consensual sex to rape.

>>8550078
then don't lie. tricking someone into sex when they otherwise wouldn't is rape.

like giving someone herpes or HIV, you have to disclose.

>>8550068
>Because they found out the person they're dating is male. This isn't fucking complicated.

So they stop being attracted simply because that person is, or used to be, male. Regardless of their physical appearance, mannerisms, or secondary sex characteristics. But then:

>But no, straight cis men are not going to be attracted to Buck Angel because he did everything possible to look male although he's female. THIS. IS. NOT. HARD.

Now, OF COURSE straight men aren't attracted to a female who did everything in his (suddenly you're gendering trans people correctly?) power to physically resemble a male. So now physical characteristics and phenotype matter more to attraction than birth sex or genitalia? Make up your mind.

>>8550078
The last thing a man wants to hear after he finds out his one night stand or girlfriend is a biological man is "You're being super transphobic and you need to be educated!"

>>8550068
>We're discussing when they find out
so then nothing is left but your own personal prejudice against trans people, that isnt comparable at all to a human's ability to distinguish race from smell.

>>8550089
If he reacts badly, all he'll be hearing is sobbing as he walks out the door (or as he's murdering her).

>>8550089
this is coming from the anon who broke up with the person who took 4 years to tell me they are trans. Fuck off you transphobic idiot

Is a transphobic person really advising that trans people reveal that their trans to potential partners?
Really?
And you wonder why they don't reveal it.
Why are you trans even arguing with this epic retard?

>>8550087
genitalia is a big part of sex and sexual attraction.

Trannies don't like that fact because they have a "problem".

You see, men have penises and women have vaginas. We generally don't hang our gentiles out for everyone to see when we meet them so that happens later. Everyone is allowed to be disappointed when things are different than advertised.

As the other anon said "THIS. IS. NOT. HARD."

This is the expectation for everyone else and trannies want an exception. You aren't getting it.

>>8550073
>>8550090
I'm trans. I'm just not stupid.

>that isnt comparable at all to a human's ability to distinguish race from smell
Reminder, I wasn't the one who originally made the comparison between trannies and blacks. I was responding to nutso SJW anon who said that men being unattracted to trans women is the same as whites being unattracted to Negroes.

Neither is natural, neither is socially constructed, but I wasn't the one who came up with that comparison. Go jump on them.

>>8550087
>(suddenly you're gendering trans people correctly?)
I have never done otherwise. (This board could really, really use thread IDs.)

> So now physical characteristics and phenotype matter more to attraction than birth sex or genitalia?
They both matter, you moron.

>>8550101
>this is coming from the anon who broke up with the person who took 4 years to tell me they are trans.
then you said
>Fuck off you transphobic idiot
lol, you're the transphobe here. You even hate yourself.

>>8550102
>Is a transphobic person really advising that trans people reveal that their trans to potential partners?
>Really?
>And you wonder why they don't reveal it.
then you complain when everyone doesn't trust you, calls you a liar or a rapist.

You need to tell everyone you are about to have sex with, preferably before the first meeting happens. but no, ego before ethics.

>>8549469

Why? If was attracted to a guy and I find out later he has a gross vag instead of a cock I would lose interest. I'm not interested in looking at, fingering or eating out a pussy or sticking it in a pussy, that's disgusting.

>>8550116
You don't even fucking read what happened in that relationship that I had. This is how I know you are genuinely just trolling and not actually giving a shit

>>8550115
You're a hon who can't pass. It's easy for you to go around telling everyone you're trans when people in bathrooms and everywhere get freaked out by you.


Not everyone is like you. Why should nonhons put themselves?

>>8550125
but anon, you just need to be educated! That's transphobic!!

>>8550130
you left him because he was trans. the irony.

>>8550132
I'm an FtM, and I've passed since my third T shot. Take that tired hon meme elsewhere.

>>8550132
>Not everyone is like you. Why should nonhons put themselves?
everyone can tell. you just lie.

>>8550125
>>8550138
no one is suggesting you should be forced to have sex with genitalia you don't like. it's not transpobic at all

>>8550121
>You need to tell everyone you are about to have sex with, preferably before the first meeting happens.

That's fucking insane and not realistically feasible. Especially not for women who go to bars, clubs, meet guys naturally at house parties or shows, etc.

>>8550154
>no one is suggesting you should be forced to have sex with genitalia you don't like. it's not transpobic at all
then what is the argument being made? before you start a "neo-vagina" isn't a vagina in the slightest.

>>8550144
>autistic FtM comes in here with his "well ackshually, white women just REALLY don't like the smell of black guys, soooo"

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This is /lgbt/ taking some weak ass bait. Aww shit, who am I saying. This is pretty good bait. I'm not mad at all, because I know no human being could be stupid enough to believe these things. I'm not mad... I'm not mad. In fact, I would even go so far as to say you have my respect for being so good at getting people upset on the internet. Good show sir, good show! Jolly good!

[spoiler]T_T WHYYYY DO THEY SAY MEAN THINGS ON THE INTERNET AAAAAAAAAAAAA waaaaa[/spoiler]

>>8550155
>That's fucking insane and not realistically feasible.
yes it is. You put on your dating app "trans". You're the one that insists on tricking straight guys like that's okay.

I'm a dude, I don't just show up to blind dates with straight dudes and "talk" them into sex.

>>8550141
oh look at the same fag

>>8550161
Not an argument.

I mean I just wanna say if you really think trans people aren't women then 100% of the straight dudes I've fucked and not told them are gay. :^)

>>8550161
Fuck off tranny freak. you're just upset that FTMs are more accepted, reasonable, liked and sane than your ilk.

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>>8550176
spreading the gay one slooty fuck at a time ayy mate good 1

>>8550087
>if straight men aren't attracted to woman with a dick, they should be attracted to a man with a vagina!

The average straight man is attracted to women that look like women and don't like dick. How is that hard to understand? Why must they pick between dickgirls or mandykes?

>>8550125
Then you're oriented based purely on biology. In short, you're a biology fetishist. There's nothing wrong with that.

The difference is that now you've actually formulated a coherent response. "I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound transphobic, I'm simply a focused biology fetishist."

>>8550168
>You put on your dating app "trans".

I would literally rather die.

>>8550176
you just lied to them is all. Otherwise they wouldn't have fucked you if they knew the truth.

>>8550155

So you take your panties off and go "Surprise! I had a cock all along!" and just hope the guy accepts it?

>>8550158
why dont you try reading the posts in this thread

>>8550178
please don't judge us all off of that lunatic

>>8550191
>>8550193
you really are delusional aren't you

>>8550187
>I would literally rather die.
you're making a choice. I think trannies are awful for degrading and attacking the very men who accept you for who you are. It's pathetic really.

Everyone else gladly gets laid but you lowlifes have too much fucking pride.

>>8550184

So sexual preferences towards certain genitalia that 90% of humans have is now a fetish.

>>8550188
Ngl I don't think I've had a bad experiance on tinder. Straight dudes are great. I guess they are all secretly gay! :D

Hmmm, I guess the reason they wouldnt sleep with me if they knew I was trans is that they are straight... HMMM. HMMMMMM. THINKING.

Maybe if you look at it and get a boner you like what you see? That's common sense? You cant force someone to look at something and get a boner. And then cross the room. And then bang you from behind while groping your tits. Sorry dude. I know you wanna call that rape but legally thats consensual sex.

>>8550191
>>8550193
You said "before the first meeting". I don't go any further with guys, even if I end up making out with them, because I know I'd probably get murdered. I'm not stupid.

>>8550201
Yes, why? When you turn your back on common, accepted scientific definition to fulfill your own special criteria of sexual demands, that is a fetish. You're a fetishist. There's nothing wrong with that, everyone has a fetish.

But it is what it is.

>>8550205

Ever heard of something called rape by deceit?

>>8550200
Chasers don't accept us for who we really are. Other people can get laid while having their gender respected.

>>8550208
>biology is a fetish
lol

>>8550208

By your logic being exclusively attracted to a certain gender is a fetish as well.

>>8550212
>Chasers don't accept us for who we really are.
yeah they do. You're a man who looks and acts like a woman. That's the facts.

I don't know how this attitude got started in the trans-community but it's a reason why you're all insecure, hateful and alone. It's also why no one trusts you.

>>8550215
>By your logic being exclusively attracted to a certain gender is a fetish as well.
they will say anything to guilt people into sex and justify their deceit.

>>8550220
poor chaser can't lose his virginity

>>8550212

>man doesn't to fuck a tranny
>GROSS! WHAT A TRANSPHOBIC ASSHOLE!
>man wants to fuck a tranny
>GROSS! HOW DARE CHASERS FETISHIZE ME?

This is why everyone stays away from trannies

>>8550220
>yeah they do. You're a man who looks and acts like a woman. That's the facts.

Lol

>I don't know how this attitude got started in the trans-community

It's the entire reason why people transition. Because they're legitimately women and men whose bodies got rekt by processes beyond their control. Why else would someone even transition? Why did YOU transition?

>>8550227
>insecure, hateful, untrusted, ALONE

>>8550215
Incorrect. You are not defying scientific understanding to justify your sexual demands - heterosexuality is known to exist.

>>8550222
I don't want to force anyone into sex. My one and ONLY goal is simply to make you ponder definitions, labels, and deeper meaning that underlie basic, sometimes harmful assumptions. IE, my goal is to make you think. I'm a happily monogamous straight MtF, I couldn't care less if you want to have sex with me or not.

>>8550238
such is the life of an autistic chaser

>>8550234
>This is why everyone stays away from trannies
LOL, alternate scenario:
>a man finds out his date is a tranny and says "Okay. No big deal"
>GROSS! HOW DARE YOU HAVE INFORMED CONSENT AND ACCEPTANCE!!!

>>8550241

>wanting to exclusively fuck dicks or vaginas is a fetish but wanting to exclusively fuck people that look like men/ women isn't a fetish

Nice logic

>>8550211
Okay, it's called Rape by Deception (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception) and that would not hold up in court at all. I'm sorry.

t. law degree

>>8550237
>It's the entire reason why people transition. Because they're legitimately women and men whose bodies got rekt by processes beyond their control. Why else would someone even transition? Why did YOU transition?
That sentence makes no sense. What point are you making?

Also I am a man and I was born a biological man. I never "transitioned" you fucking psycho.

If you were "legitimately a woman" you wouldn't need to transition because you'd be born a woman. Why don't trannies understand themselves in this basic way?

Why is it only men wearing dresses who feel entitled to sex?
I never hear this debate the other way around with FTMs demanding everyone fall to their knees and worship their manclit

>>8550255
tranny logic, anon.

>>8550259
I thought you were the FtM. I still don't really understand your outlook on transitioning tho. Do you think people just decide to transition for shits and giggles?

>>8550241
>I couldn't care less if you want to have sex with me or not.
good because I reject you solely on the basis that you're trans.

>>8550259
I think you just aren't up to date with the science. This is wrong but I'll dumb it down and make it really easy for you to understand.

MAN BORN WIT FEMALE BRAIN UNHAPPY.

>>8550266
>Do you think people just decide to transition for shits and giggles?
no, I think it's darker, sad and filled with lots of self-loathing both before and after.

Am I far off?

>>8550261
because there is no debate, no one thinks they are entitled to sex, it's a completely imaginary scenario created in the mind of men like you

>>8550261
Gay guys and straight women don't care about FtMs.

>>8550256

>In November 2015, British Judge Roger Dutton sentenced a 25-year-old woman, Gayle Newland, to eight years in prison for pretending to be a man as a means having sex with an unnamed woman of the same age.

>>8550275
>MAN BORN WIT FEMALE BRAIN UNHAPPY.
oh this argument. Unless you've had a brain scan and depending on what criteria you're using to determine what a "female brain" is (mostly pseudo-science) then you're full of shit.

There's a reason why being trans is in the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" and not an anatomy book. lol.

But yeah, it is essentially "all in your head" anyway you want to look at it.

>>8550283

Is that why trannies are constantly guilt tripping and calling people transphobic bigots to pressure them into having sex with them?

>>8550283
>it's a completely imaginary scenario created in the mind of men like you
You mean men like Jazz who demands hugs and dates from disgusted teen boys?

>>8550299
This is all about having their gender validated, not actually having sex. Most of these people arguing with you have probably never even had sex, and would probably start crying if anyone came close to touching their peepee.

>>8550306

No, it definitely is about having sex. I've seen trannies post things like "if you're okay with touching your own penis then you should be okay with touching mine too!"

>>8550313
>I've seen trannies post things like "if you're okay with touching your own penis then you should be okay with touching mine too!"
i ran out of "vomit" pictures

>>8550255
>logic
Reasoning, anon. The word you are looking for is reasoning. And if you have a problem with it, take it up with the people who define such things. But don't be upset because people use the actual definitions and don't want to play your fetish game anymore.

>>8550294
"being trans" is not, gender dysphoria is. the DSM clarifies that gender dysphoria itself isnt a mental illness, but is the cause of mental illnesses such as depression.

>>8550299
again, literally no real trans people are soing such, it's an imagined scenario created to push the far right agenda.

>>8550300
>implying "reality" television is a source for anything
also I severely doubt she feels entitled to sex

>>8550270
At least youre finally being honest.

>>8550325

>no actual argument as to how one is a fetish and one isn't

>>8550329
>"being trans" is not, gender dysphoria is. the DSM clarifies that gender dysphoria itself isnt a mental illness, but is the cause of mental illnesses such as depression.
lol. k.

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>>8550330
>At least youre finally being honest.
it's not what I'm attracted to. at all.

The going tranny argument is "everyone wants to fuck me, they're just to uneducated or transphobic to know it."

That's not how fucking shit works.

>>8550336
I clearly defined it in the post wherein fetish is mentioned. To whit, it was along the lines of 'ignoring scientific understanding in order to accommodate your own peculiar sexual demands'. For instance, a person for whom a shoe is an important part of arousal (despite all scientific evidence to the contrary) is what we call a 'shoe fetishist'. If your arousal is predicated on the presence of a specific state ('biological', despite all scientific evidence being to the contrary), then you are a biological fetishist.

You doubly demonstrate this, incidentally, by refusing to categorize out transwomen who have had SRS. Now you can't even claim it's purely genitalia, as those women also have a vagina. The ONLY thing left...is a biological fetish.

>>8550343
No, that's not correct. It's 'have you at least considered the meanings and reasoning of why you're somehow not attracted to an entire category of humanity'? That doesn't seem to be too much to ask, does it?

>>8550357
>It's 'have you at least considered the meanings and reasoning of why you're somehow not attracted to an entire category of humanity'? That doesn't seem to be too much to ask, does it?
yes. it is too much because no one fucking does that shit. And no one is going to do it to let trannies guilt them into sex.

But let me try it, just for the sake of your argument.
Okay I thought about it. NO. I don't want to date a fucking tranny and you won't accept my answer as being valid. You're going to tell me I'm "uneducated" or "transphobic" and this is why people say you are bullying and pestering people into sex they don't want to have.

YOU WON'T ACCEPT "NO!" FOR A FUCKING ANSWER AND YOU THINK IT'S UP FOR DEBATE. "No means no" tranny trash!

>>8550373
...now that your tantrum is over, let's return to talking.

>no one does this!!
Yes, we know. It's harmful to people. Lots of people. Lots of people who may be the key to a brighter future - you never know what a person's potential is. So we owe it to ourselves, for our OWN futures and our families, to leave a world BETTER than the one we inherited. Ending unnecessary discrimination based SOLELY on nothing but outdated definitions is one way to do this, whether people are used to doing it or not.

I'll accept your answer as valid and non-transphobic when you demonstrate it is non-transphobic. Until you somehow achieve that, all I continue to see is you insipidly whining because you're just 'sure' that a chunk of humanity can't possibly be appealing, and that's why youre so terrified you'll be 'tricked' into having sex.

Which...is the most laughable thing I may have read today, but still, I'm trying to be respectful here.

>>8550402
>Yes, we know. It's harmful to people. Lots of people. Lots of people who may be the key to a brighter future - you never know what a person's potential is
no it's fucking "personal". Someone's sex life and preferences are deeply personal. No one describes it as "harmful" because it fucking isn't.

There's a whole world full of dating people, married people and happy people in relationships and none of them needs to stop what they are doing and ask if they need to date you or some other fugly tranny.

Got it?
>I'll accept your answer as valid and non-transphobic when you demonstrate it is non-transphobic.
I can give a shit what you think.
>all I continue to see is you insipidly whining because you're just 'sure' that a chunk of humanity can't possibly be appealing, and that's why youre so terrified you'll be 'tricked' into having sex.
I DON'T WANT TO FUCK YOU. OKAY? That's all the answer anyone needs to give you or anyone else.

Why do trannies act like this and treat people this way?

>>8550402
Your argument is literally "Fuck me or you're a transphobe" where you want to trick people into telling you they are transphobic or you are "correct".

It's a pretty weak argument. Not everyone has to think like you do, dude.

>>8550431
The way you're alternating between anger and pleading speaks to me, and I'm going to back off from you and let you alone a bit. I think you have deeper problems than you are ready to admit, and I don't want to exacerbate them (if indeed my read is correct). But one tiny correction before I go: the 'harmful' thing. I wasn't referring to your sexual choice, but to the fact that people don't take the time to think. THAT is the harmful thing. On an individual level, who you choose to sleep with is wholly personal and yours. It's when you discount people you've never met for reasons you don't know, categorically, for no reason, that it becomes evident there is a problem.

And anon...don't let your fear crush your whole life. It will if you let it, I promise you. I've watched fear and terror consume my entire family in less than 30 years, and it's heartbreaking. Don't be that person.

>>8550352

So if you need a woman to be aroused, you're a woman fetishist. If you need a man to be aroused, you're a man fetishist.

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>>8550329
>also I severely doubt she feels entitled to sex

https://youtu.be/EIZ7OAFf0SA?t=238 3:58

>I NEED A MAN

She literally acts entitled about the kind of guys she DESERVES to date.

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>It's okay to touch us - except if it's our penis then we'll freak the fuck out

>>8550471

How is not liking dick and balls and not wanting to fuck someone in their poophole not a valid reason?

>>8550491
Seeing her in motion and hearing her talk, it suddenly becomes ridiculous to me how many people call her a hon or say that she's a predatory man. Jesus this site really warped my perception of trans women.

>>8550491
you're delusional if you believe "I need a man" implies that she feels entitled to date let alone have sex with whoever she wants

>>8550471
>I wasn't referring to your sexual choice, but to the fact that people don't take the time to think. THAT is the harmful thing.
Fuck off. It took a lot to admit I'm gay, come out to my family and get married to a man and be out at work.

You say I haven't thought deeply about my attraction and its meaning/consequences? Seriously go fuck yourself. This is exactly why you and people like you need to accept what people's orientation, choices and sexual preferences are. you need to realize that it's personal. You need to realize that people have thought about it. You need to accept when people reject you and not start a guilt tripping argument about it.

This is why you are absolutely fucking wrong. Back the fuck off.

>It's when you discount people you've never met for reasons you don't know, categorically, for no reason, that it becomes evident there is a problem.
I'm not dating the whole fucking world here and no one should hold up their lives for you or people like you. You're just too God damned selfish to see that apparently and you find it "Transphobic". Fuck off.

>>8550471
>It's when you discount people you've never met for reasons you don't know, categorically, for no reason, that it becomes evident there is a problem.
>And anon...don't let your fear crush your whole life. It will if you let it, I promise you. I've watched fear and terror consume my entire family in less than 30 years, and it's heartbreaking. Don't be that person.
I can only interpret this as your family didn't want to fuck you either. You're going to have to move on, anon.

>>8550514
>How is not liking dick and balls and not wanting to fuck someone in their poophole not a valid reason?
because it's "harmful" and "transphobic" apparently, anon.

>>8550555
>I can only interpret this as your family didn't want to fuck you either
Have to admit, that was pretty funny. At least your humor is functional. -.0

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>>8550635
>"I don't want to fuck trannies"
=
>"Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist"
lol. okeedokee.

can someone explain why if you cant tell they are tranny until they till you (including post neo-vagina sex) why they wouldnt date a tranny. like if you like someone and cant tell how is it gay. The straight man is attracted to the tranny because they just see a cis woman. I dont see the issue. Why would people freak out if they couldnt evne tell the difference?

>>8550731
Because of their fragile masculinity. They don't like the phrase, but when the fear of being laughed at by other men induces rage, hysteria, and violence, there is no other reasonable explanation.

From a metaphysical sense, it's this: the toxic, poisonous and corrupted spirit of 'masculinity' as presented by our society has been quite intentionally purged of its feminine expression. However, it requires both masculine and feminine energies (these are symbolic names, not to be considered by sexual terms like 'male' and 'female') for people to be healthy. That repression and suppression of all femininity, incidentally, is the biggest cause of AGP, if you're into that. This wounded, frail masculinity can only 'defend' itself by angrily destroying anything that it doesn't like - the expression of the out of control Warrior, or Mars Ascendant, who often ends up murdering all he cares about (reflected in Dead Trans Girlfriend Syndrome). The fear, then, is of THEM being outed as 'failed' and 'destroyed' by the remainder of men. It's a social thought control mechanism that binds almost all of western men to it. As that fear is quite real until the power of the system is reduced, these cowardly men, having never known real courage, can only be tossed about aimlessly while never understanding what their turmoil is all about or why secure people laugh at them.

It's actually a horrible thing for them, and I do feel sympathy for them. But they have to realize it's on them to fix it.

>>8549107
>the hash
I just want to know what schizohon-anon thinks "the hash" actually is. Does anybody get it?

>>8550667
lol you've posted the same thing like six times trying desperately to reinforce this "consensus" but it's not working b/c you're too obsessive about it and you're not changing up your posting habits

2/10

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>>8548835
Literally none of this video is pressuring straight men into dating trans women, it's clarifying certain things about trans women for their consideration and understanding.

Even the Riley videos aren't saying that straight men should be obliged to be with trans women, just that people should examine their dating preferences when they're so strongly hinged upon these things. She even blatantly dispels a lot of these things in her response:
http://imgur.com/a/nBwdB

Imagine if you grew up in a society that widely considered people with tattoos severely undesirable, in the way that trans people are in ours. Now let's say you find someone you really like; you get along really well, you find her attractive, and you're getting ready to ask her out, but she reveals that she has a tattoo to you. Maybe you reject her on the basis of it, in which case you would be discriminating against people with tattoos, by definition. You're hung up on the fact that she has a tattoo, in a society that doesn't like tattoos; does that not make you curious at all as to where that a somewhat arbitrarily assigned preference might be holding so much power over your preferences? But, stepping back into our society, perhaps you can see why you might want to, instead of disqualifying this girl, maybe instead examine just why it is that this tattoo is a dealbreaker for you. It's not a perfect analogy, but I think it's serviceable enough to illustrate the point.

Ultimately it's a consideration of nuance, rather than some declaration of bigotry or something. People discriminate on tons of factors when it comes to dating someone, but sometimes it's worth considering whether these factors are reasonable, or even ones that you want to have.

At any rate, you're really blowing this out of proportion.

>>8550763

>men aren't attracted to my cock because of their fragile masculinity

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Also how do you explain lesbians that aren't into trannies either?

>>8550731
>Why would people freak out if they couldnt evne tell the difference?
because there is a difference. Simple as that.
>Because of their fragile masculinity.
More rapey bullying. If someone doesn't want to fuck you, they are weak or fragile now?

>>8550731
>>8550763

This is complete bullshit though.

I am a gay man. A bottom at that. If dated a transman, I would have 3 options: a tiny micropenis, a flesh stick crafted from skin on his arm, or just a vagina. The idea that I would need a functional, ejaculating penis to satisfy me sexually is not superficial, it is a core part of my sexual preference.

When fake penises are as good as real penises, and fake vaginas as good as real ones, then I, and probably most people wouldn't have any issues dating trans people. But as it stands, they are not the same as the real genitals, and needing those genitals to be sexually satisfied is not a "hangup", it's just how sexuality is for a lot of people.

>>8550827
>lol you've posted the same thing like six times trying desperately to reinforce this "consensus" but it's not working b/c you're too obsessive about it and you're not changing up your posting habits
Say what you want, this is a delusional tranny echo chamber on this board. All you idiots do is tell each other "You look great, hon!" while claiming everyone secretly wants to fuck you as soon as they get the "education" correcting their "transphobia".

>>8550849
>Maybe you reject her on the basis of it, in which case you would be discriminating against people with tattoos, by definition.
This isn't housing or employment you fuckhead. No one is obligated to have sex with you and they can refuse or rescind an offer for sex for any and no reason.

Trannies don't get this basic fact. When someone says "I don't want to have sex with you" yes it's wrong to trot out reasons why they are "wrong" for feeling that way.

Fuck off with your pro-rape bullshit.

>>8550900
>Whatever helps you sleep at night. Also how do you explain lesbians that aren't into trannies either?
lol
>"REEEEEE, FRAGILE LESBIANISM!!! LICK MY BALLS NOW CIS SCUM!!!!

>>8550977
YOU JUST HAVE A HANGUP! YOU HAVE TO KEEP FUCKING ME TRANSPHOBE!!!

>>8550977
>When fake penises are as good as real penises, and fake vaginas as good as real ones, then I, and probably most people wouldn't have any issues dating trans people
I understand what you're saying, anon, but reread what you wrote here. You are literally saying it's a purely biological reason that is not universal (as other gay men have been, and can be, perfectly happy with masculine transmen, even those with vaginas), and again I say there is nothing wrong with that, but it is still a fetish. Behold:

Fetish: a form of sexual desire in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular object, item of clothing, *****part of the body*****, etc.

>>8551050
It's not a fetish, you are demanding people explain why they are secure in their sexuality and chose not to fuck you and you pick and argue when they make these statements because it's not good enough for you and your tranny standard of treating everyone like meat at the supermarket.

Accept it dude, most of us are not "for sale" and we don't take sexual commands from you.

>>8551050
You're just drawing lines arbitrarily and redefining terms to suit your outlook.

You're basically claiming all sexual preferences that aren't purely based on your partner's gender identity are fetishes.

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>>8551050
>Fetish: a form of sexual desire in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular object, item of clothing, *****part of the body*****, etc.
I don't think anyone but a pushy, delusional tranny would equate genitals with a "fetish". It's insane and you're just belittling people who won't fuck you.

It's not that everyone is some fetish-freak, it's that you are a pervert and you think you can boss people around sexually by preying on their want to be accepting and kind.

>>8551050

Fetishes are attractions to non-sexual things or body parts, like glasses or feet. Genitalia are clearly sexual so it's not a fetish.

>>8551066
Yes, you're so secure in your sexuality that your terrified someone can 'make' you have sex with them by 'tricking' you into it. LOL.

>>8551090
usually/typically. However, when the genital in question has a further component to it ('biological'), it has gone beyond simply requiring it's presence. This is fetish territory.

>>8551095
>Yes, you're so secure in your sexuality that your terrified someone can 'make' you have sex with them by 'tricking' you into it. LOL.
Date rape and rape by deception is a thing.

When someone says "I don't want to fuck you" that's not when you start a counter-argument.

It's fucking offensive and that's why people are arguing back.

>>8551006
Some flowery bullshit prose about how lesbians have their ~~feminine energies~~ out of whack, as only the superior tranny master race fully understands the cosmic dick and pussy energy

>>8551099
>usually/typically. However, when the genital in question has a further component to it ('biological'), it has gone beyond simply requiring it's presence. This is fetish territory.
No. You can't have a fetish for genitals. You're so wrong it's embarrassing.

>>8551095
Anon, 20 minutes ago you were arguing that straight men who don't like penises are insecure about their masculinity, then when a good counter argument was made you shifted the goalposts to say those people were just fetishists.

When I say "you", I don't necessarily mean you specifically, but the people ITT who share your viewpoint.

>>8549410
probably because they'll never have a dick and thats like 50% of the reason I'm gay retard

>>8550849
>Imagine if you grew up in a society that widely considered people with tattoos severely undesirable, in the way that trans people are in ours.
But tats are fucking gross and I would never fuck a woman with tats either. T b h if we got to the bedroom and a woman undressed to reveal a tattoo I'd be out of there almost as fast as if it were a dick/horrible mutilation scar.

>>8551113
...I did? OH, no, no I didn't. Not one bit. I said that they're afraid of the reactions of others around IF THEY SHOULD DISCOVER that they don't mind it. Quite a difference there. The fear is of being discovered and judged 'unworthy' by the thought control system (the feminine-deprived fake 'masculinity' that is being forcefed to you to poison your worldview and this world) and beaten down by it - a very real fear, as that's how the control system works. Alternately, I'm thinking of a different post.

To be fair, I don't think I quite align with Tumblr on this topic either. I have my own view and that's the one I articulate.

>>8551105
>When someone says "I don't want to fuck you" that's not when you start a counter-argument.
And at precisely zero points have I said this is a conversation to have on a date, or in bed, or anywhere else outside of civilized society. But if you're afraid to have the conversation, particularly in a relaxed environment like this one, you owe it to yourself to discover why.

>>8548835
>Why to trans"women" feel they can pressure people into sex with them? And don't say they don't.
>300 posts of trannies trying to force-meme both heterosexuality and homosexuality into fetishes and angry attempts to pressure lesbians to fuck them later...

Alright.
I'll just say it.

This thread has actually changed my beliefs about transsexuals. I no longer think they can peacefully coexist with LGB, or actually society. It's clear now that they'll just keep on pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing to get everything they want at everybody else's expense no matter what, until they get shut down.

No to transition, I guess.

>>8551148
>But if you're afraid to have the conversation, particularly in a relaxed environment like this one, you owe it to yourself to discover why.
I know why I don't want to fuck you. You just won't accept the answer from me or anyone in this thread. That's the problem.

Your mindset is seriously anti-social.

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>>8550997
>housing or employment
I think you missed the point of that analogy, anon.

Again, no one is saying you should be legally obligated to fuck someone you don't want to fuck. No one is arguing otherwise, and no one is even saying that you're a bad person for feeling that way, all anyone is saying here is maybe you should be a bit more insightful as to why being trans is such a dealbreaker for you.

Finally, no one is saying that a trans woman should pester a guy as to why he won't have sex with her after he rejects her; obviously that's not the time or place for catalyzing that kind of insight in a person.

You're completely misunderstanding and misrepresenting the argument.

>>8551139
Well, if that's how you feel, then that's fair enough!

>>8551161
Yeah, when can we remove the "t"?

They need their own board where they can call each other hon all day.

>>8551169
>I think you missed the point of that analogy, anon.
No I understood it. It's just that if someone doesn't want to date for fuck you, that's not "discrimination". It's called "none of your business" so stop acting like a sexual predator about it.
>Again, no one is saying you should be legally obligated to fuck someone you don't want to fuck.
lol, no one did discuss making it a legal mandate. You just did. We were discussing how it's at the least rude at the most rape to pressure someone to fuck you. You can't guilt or pressure someone into sex. It's "wrong", you see.

>>8551169

>be a bit more insightful as to why being trans is such a dealbreaker for you

What's there to be insightful about? Most straight men and lesbians are turned off by penises. Most straight women and gay men are turned off by vaginas. Generally, when someone is attracted to certain gender, they're also attracted to the usual physical characteristics of that sex, and that includes genitalia.

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>>8551183
>if someone doesn't want to date for fuck you, that's not "discrimination". It's called "none of your business" so stop acting like a sexual predator about it.
"Discrimination: treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit"
It's literally the dictionary definition of discrimination. Of course, discrimination isn't necessarily bad when it comes to dating because we discriminate against all sorts of other factors that are fair when choosing a partner, but it might be worth looking into if it might not be a good idea.

>lol, no one did discuss making it a legal mandate. You just did.
You're right, I was being exaggerative. My point still stands, that no one is advocating that someone feel forced to date a trans person on the basis of them being trans

>We were discussing how it's at the least rude at the most rape to pressure someone to fuck you. You can't guilt or pressure someone into sex. It's "wrong", you see.
Yeah, I agree that it's rude to try to pressure someone to have sex with you if they don't want to. The point is encouraging them to self-reflect on why they may want to on their own terms. You're assigning malice unjustly here.

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>>8551169
>all anyone is saying here is maybe you should be a bit more insightful as to why being trans is such a dealbreaker for you.
You can't take "no" for an answer? What's to be "insightful" about?

Everyone else gets to say no, except if you're being propositioned by a tranny apparently. Then you have to fucking "explain" yourself.

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>>8551219
Well, SRS is a thing. Even still, I think it's valuable to reflect on why genitalia might be a dealbreaker in something as complex as a romantic relationship. I do see your point, though, in the case of pre-op trans anyways.

>322 replies
>34 posters

This board needs ID tags.

>>8551245
>why genitalia might be a dealbreaker
Because sex organs are important, one might even say crucial, to sex?

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>>8551257
Again, I'm willing to accept that when considering pre-op trans. Probably post-op trans males too, unfortunately.

>>8551245

Genitals are literally required to have sex, which is a very important part of a romantic relationship for the average person.