Only hons will deny this.

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I'm ok if I'm mostly in the orange right?

>>8350084
Yes, as long as you're not on two 2s or any reds.

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2-3-4 maybe there's still hope

>>8350077
I'm fucked.

>i think i'm rather androgynous but honestly i mostly pass and i'm pre-hrt so either 5 or 4
>19 years old so not sure if 4 or 3
>sloppy and uninterested; i'm a nerdy aspie girl, make-up is for basic bitches

>>8350077
2-2-2 idk what to think

>>8350077
All 3's. I'm sure I can get really good at doing makeup though.

>>8350122
You just have to work hard. I believe in you!

4-4-3
I just want to be recognised as a girl ;_;

>>8350122
Up effort.

>>8350127
You pass, anon.

3-3-2
I haven't had much time to learn makeup and most of my feminine acting goes completely unnoticed by myself until someone brings it up.

>>8350077
Age: 3
Genetics: 3
Effort: 3
Don't pass.

This is bullshit anyways because "effort" is actually a smallet component than the other two. Most trannies don't pass regardless of how much effort they put in. Effort doesn't fit shit or even average male genetics.

Genetics > Age >Effort

>>8350242
*smallest

*fix shit

>>8350077
>yellow nullifies red
This is absolute garbage.

If you're T ravaged then you'll always be a hon and effort is just putting lipstick on a pig.

This poster was made by reddit hons who think you can just slap on makeup and not be a shaved gorilla.

>>8350242
Exactly!

>>8350077
4-1-1, though the effort 1 is because I'd rather stay boymode than be a hon.

>>8350242
You're probably lying to yourself about genetics or effort.

4-4-5
Im not even trans

>>8350446
>If you're T ravaged then you'll always be a hon and effort is just putting lipstick on a pig.
If you're T-ravaged but start at 12 you'll mend the wounds, also an SFX team could probably make an ultrabuff guy look female.

>>8350077
This chart is bullshit. There is a massive difference between a 13 year old and a 19 year old, and effort isn't going to do jack if you look like a gorilla.

>>8350504
Yellow for effort is literally a special effects team, anon. It's already saying you can't reasonably effort your way out of gorilla.

>>8350479
Femboys count as trans.

I feel like I was pretty T-ravaged but I pass 100% of the time so I dunno. Only thing T didn't fuck me over with is that I still have all my hair thank fuck.

>>8350478
Nah, I'm very objective.

Unlike the hons here who think pity """passing""" is actually passing lol.

Passing = unclockable

>>8350710
>Passing = unclockable
You have way too high expectations if you think this is what passing is. Passing is just when strangers treat and adress you as the gender you're presenting as, you can still be clockable and pass. Had a co-worker who revealed after several months that he's FtM, never realized beforehand but saw all the signs afterwards. I can clock him, but he definitely passes.

>>8350730
>Passing is just when strangers treat and adress you as the gender you're presenting as
So if we treat an obvious 40 year old tranny as female out of respect that's "passing"? No, that's not how it works.

>>8350741
I never said that, it's that they do so because they're "fooled".

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>>8350077
Yasmin lee started pretty late and really passes.
What I wouldn't give to get gf like that.

>>8350751
I guarantee I could clock at least 95% of the MtFs here.

>>8350077
Age should only be three categories: before puberty (*might* be good), after puberty (your fucked), after male pattern baldness sets in (extra fucked). These are the only three that matter. Notice there's no numbers attached here because they vary by individual.

>>8350084
Wait!!! I know you!! You post on bant! I knew you were gay!!

>>8350077
0-1-1

>>8350496

Who the fuck is T-ravaged at 12?

>>8350077
genetics should be more then half of that pie

>>8350994
I had a full beard at age 12, people used to call me wolverine.

Jokes on them, now I'm manly as fuck

>>8351009
Please don't mention pie, I'm fasting anon.

>>8351019
wow.
reminds me of a kid in my high school who beat the teachers at a beard growing contest.
then he got a cheerleader pregnant and moved away.
had him in my pe (physical education) class and got to see him naked every day.
super hairy bara bod at like 14.
fapped to him for years after.

>>8351045
Literally me irl, except I didn't get a girl preggo, I used a condom for my first time.

There was this weird gay kid that used to always bump into me when playing sports though, he had a boner I made fun of him for it calling him gay and shit, only recently found out he was ACTUALLY gay.

>>8351019
i recall most of us guys were nearly full height before we could drive so age 15 years old

and jocks were full grown men in their junior year of high school

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>>8351074
Holy shit, is your name Jackson?
I used to get hard just being around you!
I think it was pheremones.

>>8351123
Nah but I do look almost exactly like your pic related.

I'm from England though

>>8351131
Please come to America and fuck me desu

4-3-3
I naturally don't grow any chest hair, and practically no facial hair. So, I'm lucky.

>>8350730
I would rather kill myself then.

Better to stay femboy mode than accept your version of hondom

Better to die actually I just need more courage

3-2-4

#TwinkhonLyfe

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fixed for accuracy

>>8350972
So if you have good hair genetics you can successfully transition at 45?

>>8350994
We got a new kid in class when I was 12 who was like full into puberty. Like a head taller than the rest of us, greasy face full of acne, really pronounced adam's apple, changing voice.
We were certain he had retaken a year or two, but nope, he was even a month younger than me.

>>8351251
Early 20s is only bad if you have shit genetics, which is another category.

>>8351343
what if you take after your mother a whole lot, but your mother has no hips or tits, and is a twig?

>>8351458
My mother looks like a boyish girl and I look like a girlish boy. We're both told that we're pretty and that we're the spitting image of each other. IMO genetics is everything, I don't think female puberty would have made too much of a difference in terms of how I look now, I was born to be girl-boyish.

>>8350077
>one red one orange one burnt orange
>pass
lel shit graph to be honest femme

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3-2-1

All 3 is safe right? O:

>>8351170
Was thinking of going on a holiday there, wouldn't hurt to know someone abroad

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>>8350981
how do u kno me????

>>8352762
You always reply to my posts telling me to stop being gay and it really annoys me. So I browsed LGBT to see if I was actually gay and by a stroke of luck here you are

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>>8352779
I'm not gay!!!!
im a tranny!!!!

5-5-4
Idk why you'd ever need an SFX-team lol

4-3-2
fuck genetics

>Started hrt right at 20
>People say I look like my mom. also has child bearing hips, pear bod
>Aware of beauty procedures and actively experiements with makeup even in boymode

>Is black
Fuck

>>8350077
Age: 1
Genetics: 4
Effort: 3

Not passing yet. Jury's still out on whether I will or not eventually.

>late 20s
>between some male features and t-ravaged
>behave 100% like a male

Please tell me there's some way to make it work

Age: 3
Effort: -3
Genetics: 5

I'm not even a tranny, I'm just stuck in what you would call eternal girl mode. Someone please h e l p I wanted to be a bodybuilder as a kid.

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I have fixed it from hon hug boxing wheel to fact of life wheel as well as cleared it up more. any thoughts?

>>8356981
I like this one better
t. liker

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>>8357000
success, i have received praise.

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wait one more revision, honestly we would need a fourth section for behavior if were going to include manerism and voice, might make it soon. until then heres the version 2, more plain, but still honest.

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I THINK IVE DONE IT GUYS. RATE MY IMPROVEMENTS.

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TOO SLOPPY ILL GO ONE STEP FURTHER.

>>8357266
That's AGPphobic.

>>8357277
>Two 1red and you're fucked.
>You hit two 5yellow, you pass.
I'm simultaneously fucked and passing!

>>8357279
explain please

>>8357284
No. read it. physical and interactive categoires are seperate. phsyical if someone is just looking at you, talking to them and being around them is where you add interactive.

>>8357287
The pink part discriminates against AGPs.

>>8357290
but how? it has nothing to do with agp when your counting it with out interaction. it was seperated for a reason.

>>8357289
I get it now. Physical says I don't pass and interaction doesn't say I can be passing.

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also, chart improver here.
Physical
3.5 on age (i started AT 20)
2.5 on effort (i do simple make up and my hairs ok)
3.0 on genetics.

Interaction
4.5 on voice. seriously. i was blessed. its great.

i barely passed by my own scoring system for physical lol . i was scared when i went back to recount afterwards but im ok, even at a lowball.

3 for age, 3 for effort, fucked for genetics solely because of face

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chart improver here again.
Im mtf 3 and half years on hrt.
heres my voice at one and a half year hrt
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1dfK0MmJjjW
and the pic is me at 2 years after i got a botched haircut and had to go short to fix it from a bad salon experience.

>>8357316
that furfag shit belongs at >>>/b/ or >>>/trash/

>>8357356
are you just mad you didn't pass the more honest mtf passing chart?

>>8357353
sounds great! like, i'm jealous of how good it sounds! was it hard in the beginning, like was the therapy embarrassing? that's what i'm scared about desu

>>8357362
i only had a couple months of therapy and she told me unless there were other things i needed to work through with her i was green to go for hrt. poor tranny so chose to end the therapy and just enjoy my no longer self medded hrt. i self medded for the first 5 months, then finally got things sorted for therapist. voice was just done out of necessity, i was a cashier and refused to wait for hrt to take effect for me to start presenting female so i had to super exercise my voice box so to speak holy shit thats like a double wordplay.

>>8357372
so your voice therapist was the same as your regular gender therapist?

started HRT: 2, but just barely. It was a few months before my 30th birthday.

genetics: 4. Androgynous to the point where I often got called "ma'am" pre-HRT.

effort: I'm about to start beauty school, so 3 going on 4. And honestly if you aren't at least a 3, you're probably not even trans.

>>8350077
>Started at 19
>Intersex
>Gynecomastia
>Skinny af body
>5'8
>9 months on estro, constantly pass without makeup
>Straight, and recently I got asked on a date

Meanwhile hons are destroying their lives:

http://numyart.deviantart.com/art/Commission-1-2-683208764?src=MC_deviation_stack

>you made him look like a woman...
>They trans?

>>8357424
no i did't have a voice coach or anything, and at this point it requires very little effort most days. if i want to sound extra good i can push it a litte, only do that when talking to bf's parents and strangers, what you hear there is about my no effort voice nowadays. trust me Its a happy feeling.

>>8357489
what are hons

>>8357450
just becuase i dont like/need to wear makeup or at least much at all everyday I'm probably not trans? the fuck plenty of women dont wear makeup. my makeup is just a little eyeliner, gussied up is quick powder foundation and mascara. its all i need to look makeup'd

3-2-3

>>8350077
3 3 4

I knew I was fine and desu where I live almost no girl passes. If you are beautiful and have a femme presentation beyond that of most dull girls people think you're trans

>>8356813
Girl we are fine, so long as you don't have that European brow bone or jawline you can pass with some correctly placed fat.

>>8357748
Hey that's almost 9 points, not fully passing but at least your not hard to take in. Most shitty people are only bothered when it's aparent.

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>>8350077
4-3-3

2-1-1 eternal repressor awww yeaaaaaaah

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>>8350077
4-4-4

>>8357266
4-4-4-4

Feels pretty good

>>8350084
>>8350981
>>8352762
>>8352779
>>8354133
I love when shit like this happens.

>>8350077
WHO CAME UP WITH THIS STUPID SHIT?

>>8357277
5-5-5-5 <3

>>8350077

3-3-1

Hey, it's not like I wasn't suicidal before.

>>8357277
im barely 9

>>8358065
thats the hon hug boxing one. use mine i made later on in the thread the 4th revision.

>>8358163
well then congrats. i got 9 too btw i almost failed my own revised test lol whatd you get for voice

>>8350077
Age: 4
Genetics: 2
Effort: 2

I used to pass until I got fat, now I'm trying to lose weight. The "fat hides your male skeleton" meme is just that, a meme,

>>8350077
4-3-3(4?)
dank

>>8358533
Change that its8 voice 2 its kinda high pitch but sounds guylike

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>tfw mere months off from starting in my teens
Why does this feel so awful? I didn't even look any different between 19-20.

Teen (16) , some male features, aware of beauty procedures, i'm ok?