How do I know if it's just a fetish or if I'm trans?

>>8253705
if you matched any of these points >>8251526 or any of the """"""""signifiers""""""""" listed in >>8215725 you're a festishist

>>8253705
>>8253705
If the fetish returns in waves, your repressed hsts trans, the fetish is just a way for it to force manifestation any agp traits are actually a form of dissociation a tactic the psych uses to bypass the repression.

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Does it go away after masturbating?
Do you feel comfortable being called by another set of pronouns?
Can you envision yourself in another body?
Do you find yourself trying to appear as your preferred gender?
If you had a button that would instantly switch your gender, would you press it and how long would you have to think about it?

>>8253739
>Does it go away after masturbating?
For a little while like 10-30 minutes
>Do you feel comfortable being called by another set of pronouns?
I do actually feel like a little bit of joy when people talk to me using female pronouns
>Can you envision yourself in another body?
Could I imagine myself being female? Yes
>Do you find yourself trying to appear as your preferred gender?
I have long hair and I shave my body but I don't know I don't go around crossdressing or anything like that. I guess I kind of do a few things to make me look more feminine.
>If you had a button that would instantly switch your gender, would you press it and how long would you have to think about it?
Yes I would wouldn't even need need to think about it.

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>>8253798

Well, then, I've got some bad news for you
You need to find a therapist, because kid, you have gender issues.

>>8253705
You're an anime poster. You're projecting your other problems, emotions, stress, onto this gender thing. Why? Because it's easier than actually facing life.

>>8253814
Yeah you're probably right. Most of the time I'm pretty sure I'm trans sometimes I doubt things though. Well thanks for helping with that little episode of mine.

>>8253733
>f the fetish returns in waves, your repressed hsts trans
If by hsts you mean heterosexual transsexual then you have it backwards, those who are attracted to women are agp and considered fetishists.

I'm assuming this is just transbians trying to make straight trans look like fetishists again to conceal their own behaviour.

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>>8253729
>>8253842
>>8253850

I asked this in another thread, but i'm still curious as to why people use this logic.

A lot of people with agp transition, and live happily as the gender they transition to. The whole reason why people transition from one gender to another, otherwise, is to alleviate dysphoria, which is caused by a mismatch between gender identity and biological sex.

If agp trans women aren't troo trannies, but rather perverted men, why don't most of them get dysphoria from transitioning? Why would they be happier for it?

>>8253850
I mean the agp/fetish aspects is the trutrans manifesting but the mind is still in a state of denial+dissociation and can't accept itself, It can be easier/less traumatic for some minds to rationalise acceptence of a fetish. With psycotherapy focused on self acceptence + hrt the agp just becomes a stage of the transition into a heterosexual woman. Some try transition but get stuck in this disociative stage for life. Usually these are the types that are private and less revealing with therapists.

>>8253798
It's so painfully obvious you're a woman I can't even tell how you're questioning

>>8254034
I don't know sometimes I think I just focus on my doubts too much.

Im a trans woman and lesbian. I cant live like an hetero man

>Im a trans woman and repressing heterosexual lesbian. I cant live like an hetero man. I cant accept life like an hetero woman.

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>>8253739
Hmm this is an interesting set of questions. Let me try it.

>Does it go away after masturbating?
no. I've completely stopped masturbating because it makes me feel even worse.

>Do you feel comfortable being called by another set of pronouns?
Not really. I've gotten used to it from pretending to be a girl in voice chat of games but I feel like i'm being deceptive and it makes me hate myself.

>Can you envision yourself in another body?
yes but who can't.

>Do you find yourself trying to appear as your preferred gender?
not intentionally. I hate having facial and body hair and I grew my hair out but that's pretty much all.

>If you had a button that would instantly switch your gender, would you press it and how long would you have to think about it?
Yes. And not at all. I can just lie and say it was an accident and everyone will eventually get used to it.

>>8253739
>Does it go away after masturbating?
Not completely

>Do you feel comfortable being called by another set of pronouns?
At this point in my life I hardly give a shit, I just correct people out of courtesy and avoid confusion more than anything

>Can you envision yourself in another body?
I try frequently. Hell, whenever I realize I'm dreaming I try to imagine myself as the opposite sex before waking up

>Do you find yourself trying to appear as your preferred gender?
I don't consider myself attractive enough to even try something like that

>If you had a button that would instantly switch your gender, would you press it and how long would you have to think about it?
Yes I would press it. Any second thoughts I'd have would have more to do with how it would affect my relationships with friends and family more than anything. Otherwise I'd press it in a heartbeat.

>>8253739
>Does it go away after masturbating?
only masturbate to softcore ff. so no clue.

>Do you feel comfortable being called by another set of pronouns?
comfyness is a physical thing. call me anything you like.

>Can you envision yourself in another body?
yes. not because I don't see myself as a man, but because I see myself as a woman. Whenever I dream, I'm a woman, same for when I picture myself doing anything.

>Do you find yourself trying to appear as your preferred gender?
no. I don't have any problems with being a man. It would be cool to be a girl but it's ok.

>If you had a button that would instantly switch your gender, would you press it and how long would you have to think about it?
Yes, I wouldn't think about it.

>>8253705
First, admit that it's a fetish. Then, decide if you want to do it or not. What's the problem?

>>8253733
>>8254031
Is there any evidence at all for your "agp is repressed hsts" idea?

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>>8253929
That's actually a very good point.
However at the end of the day the whole TruTrans©®™ thing is just a meme, the reality is that most of us trannies naturally seek for validation because we have low to no self-esteem at all, because we feel pretty insecure about ourselves and we don't really know how to start to feel ok either.

Of course, I know I might be just trying to "impose" my experience to others, but the more people I see seeking for validation the more I think it's the usual case.

>>8255171
What brings you back to /lgbt/?

>>8253739
>Does it go away after masturbating?
Sort of, it comes back about 10 minutes afterwards. My trans thoughts are still around even when I'm not horny at all.
>Do you feel comfortable being called by another set of pronouns?
I love being referred to by female pronouns
>Can you envision yourself in another body?
Sort of, maybe not my face but the rest of my body is ok
>Do you find yourself trying to appear as your preferred gender?
I find myself repressing it, I sometimes have to stop myself from acting physically feminine and sometimes stop myself from talking too feminine too. If I could, I totally would, I would find time to shave my legs and try out more gender-neutral/feminine clothing.
>If you had a button that would instantly switch your gender, would you press it and how long would you have to think about it?
Yes, although I would deliberate with it for a few minutes but mostly out of cold feet.

>>8255171
>the reality is that most of us trannies naturally seek for validation because we have low to no self-esteem at all
That's pretty much what I assumed. I just think this particular idea is an extremely destructive method of self-validation. Were it not for the idea that trannies can't be agp, I probably could have brought myself to transition when I was 13. Now I can't look in the mirror without the expectation that the reflection will yell "DONKEH!"

>>8253739
>Does it go away after masturbating?
Barely
>Do you feel comfortable being called by another set of pronouns?
Never tried...
>Can you envision yourself in another body?
Given I've only ever lived my current body, no. It's like asking if I could envision being able to speak Swedish. I'm aware that people can, but have no idea what thinking in Swedish feels like.
>Do you find yourself trying to appear as your preferred gender?
I mean I'm usually too anxious to go outside wearing anything but the most generically nondescript clothes so I'll give that a 1/2
>If you had a button that would instantly switch your gender, would you press it and how long would you have to think about it?
Instantly

>>8256027
>Never tried...
actually scratch that I have tried and yes it was nice

>>8253705
Do you experience gender dysphoria? Do you earnestly want to be a woman even in non-sexual contexts? Do you regularly despair over being a man? If yes you're trans. AGP itself is not relevant. I think of it as a repression mechanism. I wrote a long fucking argument on why I think so in another thread. Follow the response chain.

>>8220887

>>8256041
>Do you experience gender dysphoria? Do you earnestly want to be a woman even in non-sexual contexts? Do you regularly despair over being a man?
Serious open question to any anon: what do you actually mean by feeling male or female?
Because desu, for me at least, I see my discomfort with my gender and my body as separate issues. What I mean is that on an internal level, I can't really conceptualise what people actually /mean/ by gender, since I have nothing to base the conclusion that "I am male" on other than the fact I happen to be biologically male. But given I dislike my body, both in terms of its maleness and other parameters, the situation is slightly chicken and egg...

>>8253739
>Does it go away after masturbating?
Doesn't even go away whilest masterbating, I disassociate when I jerk off
>Do you feel comfortable being called by another set of pronouns?
I feel so much joy when people say I look feminine, I hate it when people say I'm a handsome lad.
Can you envision yourself in another body?
So easily, can't envision myself growing up as a guy
Do you find yourself trying to appear as your preferred gender?
I try to in every way I can, not in a trans freindly household though
>If you had a button that would instantly switch your gender,
YES
>would you press it and how long would you have to think about it?
Omg yes

>>8256053
See, I feel similarly, in that I just *feel* like I'd rather live as a woman, but can't break it down to any parameters beyond wanting to have the right sort of body. It's a feeling along the lines of "I feel human".

>>8256073
I mean, almost more fundementally, I don't understand what gender means. The term is so nebulous and poorly defined (and largely based on self-identification), that no-one has ever actually set out the necessary/sufficient conditions for being male/female gendered. Wishing to have a biologically female body is almost a separate concern

>>8253705
OP if you're crying about it I'm pretty sure you need to have a serious talk with a therapist or something regardless. It sounds very real to you.
-If- you are, anyway.
>>8253739
>Does it go away after masturbating?
I used to masturbate to being the girl early on, then I tried to "man up" and masturbate to fucking the girl, then eventually I would just (rarely) look at porn of girls/trans girls/TG stuff and not even masturbate because I'm kind of not enjoying actually jerking my own dick.
>Do you feel comfortable being called by another set of pronouns?
It feels kinda good yeah.
>Can you envision yourself in another body?
I can and do but that's nothing special?
>Do you find yourself trying to appear as your preferred gender?
I've secretly dressed in girls clothing a few times and liked it, and I played as a girl in MMOs (and acted like one to strangers, not even for profit) til my friends got suspicious. I feel like that was a big repressing point for me.
>If you had a button that would instantly switch your gender, would you press it and how long would you have to think about it?
If it was the Real Deal and not just fast track HRT I would, but I would think about my family/friends a lot. I dunno. I'm pretty scared of the repercussions, I care too much what people think, I think.

Actually no, it wouldn't even -need- to be the real deal, just like... pre-puberty treatment levels.

>Does it go away after masturbating?
Everytime after I masturbate I feel guilty, doesn't matter what I use to masturbate, even sex with my GF.

>Do you feel comfortable being called by another set of pronouns?
Doesn't matter at all. I like being called by my nickname.
>Can you envision yourself in another body?
Always wanted to be a girl, only play as girl in vidya.

>Do you find yourself trying to appear as your preferred gender?
Yep, but when I got a long hair was repressed by my father.
>If you had a button that would instantly switch your gender, would you press it and how long would you have to think about it?
I would press it now. Really right now. The only reason I'm not in HRT yet, is because my GF doesn't really like the idea, and I really love her and want to stay with her, but disphoria is killing me day after day.

>>8256355
>I would press it now. Really right now. The only reason I'm not in HRT yet, is because my GF doesn't really like the idea, and I really love her and want to stay with her, but disphoria is killing me day after day.
Look I'm sorry but you can't ruin your life for love. You'll fall apart eventually and then it will end either way.

>>8256373
I know it. But I have other issues in life and mental issues like depression and ansiety and she is really my wonderwall. I really don't know what to do.
Sometimes I just think finishing myself would be better for everyone.

>>8256383
You deserve to be happy. I'm sorry that your life's hard but please don't give up. You can do this. Gather your strength and act.

Can you rely on the support of anyone? Are you seeing a therapist?

>Does it go away after masturbating?
No, I feel dirty afterwards and just kind of disassociate for a bit

>Do you feel comfortable being called by another set of pronouns?
I don't mind, I've been called either my entire life but it would be nice

>Can you envision yourself in another body?
In a female body, yes, I wouldn't be happy in another male body.
Same thing as my sexuality, I'm bi leaning towards men but I feel so wrong about it, maybe that's my dysphoria though

>Do you find yourself trying to appear as your preferred gender?
Long hair since I found out I could have long hair, been cross dressing since I was 6 but more frequently past 13 because it made me feel better.
I do play as females in games as well.

>If you had a button that would instantly switch your gender, would you press it and how long would you have to think about it?
I've pressed that button thousands of times in my dreams.

If you imagine yourself as a woman in sexual situations you are agp. This includes roasties, they are the most agp of all.

I don't have that much friends irl. I'm seeing a therapist, but never talked about my gender issues.
I have a little bit of "abandon trauma" because my bio father dumped me and my mother when I was 4y, and when anyone turn away from me, even friends I don't use to talk too much it fucking hurts me.
I'm not willing to giving up, not yet. But I've been fighting with myself for so much time, I don't know how much I can take. All of this look like I'm being selfish, but I really try to not hurt the others feeling around me.

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Define disassociate.

>>8256437
It was meant to >>8256391

>>8256435
In other words, all women confirmed agp.

>>8256446
Exactly.

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Mild AGP here. Let's see.

>>8253798
>I do actually feel like a little bit of joy when people talk to me using female pronouns
This could easily be from a fetish.

>Could I imagine myself being female? Yes
Me too.

>I have long hair and I shave my body
Same here except I'm usually too lazy to shave consistently. Actually I prefer to wax because it doesn't grow back so quickly, but then it's painful and still causes ingrown hairs so my enthusiasm faded away.

>I don't go around crossdressing or anything like that
I'd do this at home if I lived alone and didn't have much social interaction to be honest. Like I could do some entire day to day activities acting like a girl, as part of my fetish.

>Yes I would wouldn't even need need to think about it.
Would you give the same answer if you had a stable relationship with someone who sincerely loves and respects you, had good friends, etc.? Or is it an indulgent fantasy resulting from loneliness or maybe some other issues?

>>8254034
You're a memeing fucking idiot mate.


I don't think there's a strict "true trans" vs. "AGP" vs. "transtrender" distinction. It's more of a spectrum (or combination of several spectra) depending on severity, and obviously nobody is "really a woman inside." Like when the memeing idiot above says "you're obviously a woman" that's just so fucking retarded. A woman is someone who was born with a vagina. It could be a huge, black, muscular, hairy, fat, or ugly person, and if the person has a vagina they're a woman, end of the story. Likewise, you could be the frailest little faggot and if you have a dick, no matter how "girly" it is, you're a man, end of the story.

The only question is whether you have a fetish and/or gender dysphoria, which is a mental illness. If it's very severe and you don't see yourself being able to ignore it, focus on other things in life, or come to love your body, then maybe transitioning is the right choice. But in no case are there "true" trans people.

>>8253739
>Does it go away after masturbating?
Yes for a bit.
>Do you feel comfortable being called by another set of pronouns?
Both feel equally right for some reason, don't care.
>Can you envision yourself in another body?
Yes, and somehow I believe that if I had a cis girl's body I wouldn't have such crippling depression and would be able to get out of bed, and wouldn't want to kms all the time. Not sure if it's gender dysphoria per se or if I just want to be lovable.
>Do you find yourself trying to appear as your preferred gender?
No, I would just look like an immature effeminate guy that people cringe at, not a girl. Huge skeleton.
>If you had a button that would instantly switch your gender, would you press it and how long would you have to think about it?
Yes, no hesitation. What do I have to lose at this point?

t. objectively failed male

>>8256437
You're not being selfish at all. If anything you're not thinking about your own well-being enough. Please, please find help before it is too late. I really hope things work out for you and that you find happiness. Act now, while you can. Everyone who loves you would be just as heartbroken if anything were to happen to you.

>>8256383
>>8256437
You probably don't want to hear this, but repressing transwomen have much, MUCH higher incidences of depression/anxiety compared to post-transition. It's very likely if you embrace it and think of yourself it won't be as severe. You'll still have transtroubles but, yeah.

Or just ignore me and talk to your therapist in privacy. Seriously.

>>8256509
That's impossible to know since the whole point of repressing is that you're closeted.

>>8256507
>>8256509
I will talk to my therapist about it for the first tomorrow, I don't how it will be. My disphoria is stronger than have ever been since I opened my heart to my GF and she refused the idea. We are living together for 1 year, and losing her would be losing almost all I managed to get until now in my life. And now we are fighting everyday because that, she wants me to be happy, but if I do she will leaves me. I do understand her point, but stil. I'm really lost.

Sorry for the blog.

>>8256027
Then you sounds pretty trans.

>>8256473
>I don't think there's a strict "true trans" vs. "AGP" vs. "transtrender" distinction. It's more of a spectrum (or combination of several spectra) depending on severity, and obviously nobody is "really a woman inside." Like when the memeing idiot above says "you're obviously a woman" that's just so fucking retarded. A woman is someone who was born with a vagina. It could be a huge, black, muscular, hairy, fat, or ugly person, and if the person has a vagina they're a woman, end of the story. Likewise, you could be the frailest little faggot and if you have a dick, no matter how "girly" it is, you're a man, end of the story.

This. I don't understand the idea of internal gender as a valid concept. It's perfectly possible to be uncomfortable in your own body and wishing you had a female body without necessarily thinking you are female

>>8256551
on what basis? i.e. which of those responses makes you think that?

>>8256529
fucking this. If one could take a blood test and have a printout that said "yup, you're transgender", none of this would be a problem. It's the fact you have to choose on some level that makes it so hard... ;_;

>>8256529
>That's impossible to know since the whole point of repressing is that you're closeted.
No, you can still disclose privately for study purposes, you just aren't acting on it.

>>8256587
Also I guess I'll just leave this here.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/transgender-people-more-likely-develop-depression-and-anxiety-247044

>>8256587
>No, you can still disclose privately for study purposes, you just aren't acting on it.
Well, there's closeted and there's closeted.
There's closeted where you know yourself, but can't tell anyone/try to deny it

And there's closeted where you genuinely don't know either way; where you know you aren't happy with your current situation but don't know how to solve it.

>8256595
Cheers for the reminder...

>>8256595
Cheers for the reminder... (messed up the reply in last post)

>>8253705
It's just a fetish. But only way is to take hormones and transition. So you are also a trans.

>>8256574
Well you like being called other pronouns, the feeling doesn't go away after masturbation, you try to avoid presenting in a gendered way and you'd choose to be the other gender "Instantly" if you could.

Most of those on their own would make it likely and them all together just kinda confirms it.

>>8256596
>there's closeted where you genuinely don't know either way; where you know you aren't happy with your current situation but don't know how to solve it.
This is honestly the saddest, most frustrating thing ever. It's heartbreaking.

>>8256635
maybe I was a little hasty when I said I'd choose to be female instantly. What I mean was, if I had a button I could press that would reverse history and make me a natural born female, or alter everyone's memories to think I was, I'd slam that shit, but going through the embarrassment of publicly declaring a wish to change, and having to explain to everyone I know would be just awful.

>>8256649
Yup. It goes beyond just gender; in almost every aspect of my life I can't tell if I genuinely want something or just feel I should. Quite awful desu.

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>>8253739
>Does it go away after masturbating?
I dont wank over trans shit, or anything gay related.
>Do you feel comfortable being called by another set of pronouns?
Only if I passed, but yeah.
>Can you envision yourself in another body?
Cant stop desu
>Do you find yourself trying to appear as your preferred gender?
I try to go for androgynous since I know I cant pass yet.
>If you had a button that would instantly switch your gender, would you press it and how long would you have to think about it?
I would hit that fast as fuck.
In all, Im not HSTS at all I`d say I`m AGP if anything but I dont wank over stuff that they would and when I have I get no pleasure from it. I`d describe it as more of an idealisation. Does this delegitfy my trans-ness?

>>8256550
Time and testosterone are deadly enemies for an MtF. I'm glad you're going to talk about your dysphoria with a therapist so that you can figure out what to do. I was hitting rock bottom mentally when I finally told a therapist, and that got me started transitioning. It wasn't easy but at some point you can't go on repressing because it destroys you if the dysphoria is severe enough.

>>8256677
Yep, that's what I thought it meant. That sounds pretty damn trans to me. I know it seems like a lot now but shit'll start getting worse the longer you repress it and it becomes more and more reasonable of an expectation. Then you can just settle back to being a normal girl.

>>8256550
Good luck.

>>8256715
The opportunity cost (both mentally and actual effort/money) is so high that if it didn't actually help and I still felt as bad or worse I'd probably an hero desu

>>8256696
I wouldn't worry about Blanchard labels if your dysphoria is severe enough.

>>8256732
Most people are fine with it, a good few are supportive and trust me, when people start calling you a female and letting you express yourself as a female it's the most amazing feeling in the world. Almost offsets the shittiness of having to be trans in the first place.

Seriously though, you do seem pretty trans. Whether you accept it now or not is up to you but sooner or later you'll wish you realised earlier.

>>8256749
>when people start calling you a female and letting you express yourself as a female it's the most amazing feeling in the world
desu I know this on some level. my gf (who happens to be essentially les) often starts referring to me as female and it's just so nice (though I'm aware that doesn't nullify the possibility it's a fetish). Though as I mentioned in >>8256080 , it's not that I necessarily think that I *am* female, more that I don't understand what gender is, and almost independently feel fairly deeply uncomfortable in my body

>>8256760
Well, if it's a fetish or not doesn't matter. Either way this is what you want and this is what makes you feel happy. It doesn't matter what some random obese gay guy on 4chan says, you're already above most of the people calling out AGP by having a gf. Do what you want to do.

>>8256797
>Do what you want to do.
If I knew what I wanted to do, I wouldn't be here...
(also thanks anon(s), you have been genuinely nice to talk to)

>>8256473
No need to get triggered m8
gender isn't real
Trans women are women, simple as that

>>8256814
Well, judging by what you've told me and the fact that you're even asking it in the first place, I'd guess that you want to be a girl. Seems like a good place to start would be to go to a psychiatrist at the very least.

>>8256855
>Seems like a good place to start would be to go to a psychiatrist at the very least.
Oh absolutely, I'm on the waiting list to see one atm and have finally got a slot in a week's time so...here's to hoping

>>8256850

There are no "trans women". There are transsexuals like Laverne Cox and Caitlyn Jenner, there are creepy cross-dressing sissy fetishists, and there are memeing idiots like Danielle Muscato and Alex Drummond.

>>8256880
Who died and made you grand arbiter of transness.

>>8256892
ur mom

She was trans.

Not really of course because "trans women" can't give birth, as they're actually male.

>>8256903
Hola brainlet

>>8256917
Trans "women" are feminized men. Nothing wrong with that.

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>>8253705
Trick question,it's actually just a mental disorder;a biological glitch,if you will.
All of you faggots should be medicated & thrown into Africa for containment.

>>8256933
>Nazis want to give us HRT

>>8256933
>free hormones and BBC breeding pens
Sign me up!

>>8256760
>it's not that I necessarily think that I *am* female, more that I don't understand what gender is, and almost independently feel fairly deeply uncomfortable in my body

Just a question but did you have a strong female role model in your life? Like desu both my parents did the same thing always, both were and are professional fighters. I never even subconsciously thought men and women were majorly different until I was older when most girls start acting like vapid idiots. I almost feel a bit similar desu except I'm definitely trans. Like, I want tits pls. I want to be on the female side of society. Like the whole package. Just my concept of gender seems to be really different in that I don't make the same distinctions between male and female others do.

>>8257052
>Just a question but did you have a strong female role model in your life

Yes, significantly. I was essentially raised by my grandmother, who was a very forthright, independent person (to put it mildly), and have a very close relationship with my mother (who is also very much our family's breadwinner)

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>>8257073
I wonder if it's related desu. Like if you are raised by a basic bitch narcissistic female stereotype like some women are your perception of gender will be very different and I feel like that would kind of fuck up a tranny.

I'm generally not worried about gender in most areas of of my life so it can feel like other trannies are fucking psychos, I was never raised to believe or bought into the idea that females and males had to act a certain way. So when I was younger it was harder to realize I was trans, even though I started crossdressing at like 10 years old. Now I'm an adult and I'm like duh wow its so obvious now that I know more.

>>8257270
Same desu
It was super hard to figure out

>>8257270
I agree, I don't feel gender is massively important on a day to day basis, but other people seem to have a concept of it, whereas I don't really understand their logic (interestingly, I've not had any real desire to crossdress, but that's possibly more due to anxiety than anything else)

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>>8257409
Tbh you should try some low key stuff to see if you like it. Shave your legs or get a pair of girls jeans that show off the booty. Something low key, I mean I feel like if you are researching tranny stuff there's a good chance your a tranny anyway.

>>8257451
Yeah I done shaved my legs the other day and gf gave me a selection of clothes to try, but I think going out in public will be a tricky step (I live in a reasonably densely packed community where at any given moment the chance I'll be seen be someone who vaguely recognises me is quite high). Women's jeans are a good idea though, since I have extremely skinny legs so they should fit

>>8256569
so intersex people are what exactly?
male and female traits are almost all arbitrary except for a select few, but even the most male and female traits like penis and womb have this problem where you can be born with less or more of one than you should have, IE atrophied organs or intersex. learn some basic biology please

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>>8257591
Omg I wish I had a gf trying to get me to crossdress wtf

>>8257726
I do essentially agree with you; what I'm saying is that there is a discontinuity between physical characteristics (presence of organs, sex) and mental characteristics (gender). My argument is that gender as a mental concept is ill defined, so there's little descriptive meaning to saying someone is gendered 'male or female'. However incongruity between one's physical state and the way you feel your physical state should be is more than enough grounds for feeling uncomfortable with ones "gender", hence transexuality.

>>8257730
yeah it's pretty excellent desu (although her previous relationships have been with women and she has stated she likes to imagine me as a female so I suppose it's not totally surprising)

After a certain point it doesn't matter desu. If you think being the opposite sex would make you happier then do it.

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>>8256569
>This. I don't understand the idea of internal gender as a valid concept. It's perfectly possible to be uncomfortable in your own body and wishing you had a female body without necessarily thinking you are female
Literally the only correct answer.
Something /tttt/ can't understand due to having high levels of dysphoria.

>>8257451
>tfw fapped to traps again today
I skipped the mgtow phase but the rest is actually not that in-accurate.

>>8259482
>I skipped the mgtow phase
dropped

>>8259500
Wanting to have sex with grills is AGP as it gets in my opinion. MGTOW obviously gets rid of that and sex dolls aren't realistic enough for it to be viable yet.

>>8259521
>she doesn't know about pseudobisexuality

>>8259532
I'm not attracted to male (male)
so doesn't apply either way.

>>8259538
>she doesn't want to be a straight girl
>she calls herself agp

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>>8259553
>straight girl
Nope transbian thanks for playing.

>>8259521
Retarded namefag of the day award goes to you

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>>8259568
I've been here a while friend.
Get used to the best opinions.

>>8259563
>transbian
more like wannabe agp

>>8259606
>wannabe
Your not AGP yourself nigga, don't kid anyone.
back to /tttt/ for you.

>>8257270
>basic bitch narcissistic female stereotype
You just accurately described my mom

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>wish I was a girl in an everyday, non-sexual way. Would press the magic button in a heartbeat
>feels wrong to imagine trying makeup, training voice, presenting more fem than I already am (sorta well-kept long hair, shaved everywhere, skinny)
>basically disgusted with myself
And then to top it off the whole on/off, "maybe I'm okay as-is," and, "life isn't worth living as a gross dude," shit is really confusing. I go from 'knowing' I'm trans to thinking I've made it all up as some sort of coping mechanism for other mental illnesses like depression or anxiety or something. I just really want off this fucking ride

>>8261286
>And then to top it off the whole on/off, "maybe I'm okay as-is," and, "life isn't worth living as a gross dude," shit is really confusing. I go from 'knowing' I'm trans to thinking I've made it all up as some sort of coping mechanism for other mental illnesses like depression or anxiety or something
Holy shit I do this same thing. This is the worst part of it all. If I was just one way or the other I would just transition or not transition.

>>8254563
your answers are not concrete enough

>>8261286
anon why are you me

>>8253705
It's the same thing. AGP fetish is the most common motivation for MtF transition.

>>8261301
Thanks Blanchard, always a pleasure to see you posting here

Protip though: psychology is not hard science

>>8261286
>>8261290
>>8261300
I go from 'knowing' I'm trans to thinking I've made it all up as some sort of coping mechanism for other mental illnesses like depression or anxiety or something
Is this common? I have this happen too.

>>8261315
Well dysphoria comes in waves, so if it really is that then yes.

>>8261315
It seems fairly common. As I mentioned in >>8256677 , I also have that issue whenever I need to make a major decision about myself, where I can't tell if a feeling is real or if it's invented to cope with and rationalise my situation. Shit sucks man ;_;

>>8261313
>transgenderism is proved by hard science
okay bud sure

>>8253705
This is the kind of confusing shit this whole "acceptance of mental illness" movement is creating. This poor guy doesnt understand the difference between fetish and believing he is a woman. If you even begin to have doubts about your sex go see a Doctor and have him refer you to a head doctor, Also if that doctor tells you to transition find another doctor.

>>8261595
>Also if that doctor tells you to transition find another doctor.

>not listening to professionals because you personally disagree with them

>>8261600
Its not a personal disagreement you retard, If a doctor tells you to turn yourself into a woman because you 'feel' like one with no sound scientific evidence backing up that reason then yes, you should find another doctor.

>>8261607
Sorry if a diagnosis in the DSM isn't "scientific" enough for you. Transition is the accepted treatment for GID, get over it.

>>8261624
>the DSM
>written by Blanchard
>yes, that Blanchard

>>8261683
The only mention of autogynephilia is in the context of "transvestic fetishism" tho. And I thought most of his contributions were about pedophilia?

>>8261607
To be fair, one shouldn't need to be told by a doctor to transition. A doctor can help you make a decision and help you through the process, but they can't decide for you.

>>8261624
Just because its accepted doesnt make it right, thats an argument from authority.

>>8261876
What's the opposing argument basis then?

>>8261884
Evidence that supports medication and therapy works while on the otherhand you have a 40% suicide rate in preop and postop trans. Almost as if some deepseated problems with their mental health is being ignored.

>>8261907
Did this argument happen in the alternate universe where you actually posted about this evidence?