Is it harder to be MtF or FtM?

MtF, I'd imagine. If a girl tries to look like a boy, people take it as endearing. If a boy tries to look like a girl, people take it as weird.

Them's the breaks.

>>8235072
Neither are a walk in the park, but MtFs have it rougher.

I feel the SRS is a giant dealbreaker for if MtF may ultimately have it better once all the processes are over.

>>8235103
Only if you're dysphoric about your dick. Getting a fake vagina isn't going to make you look more like a girl in day-to-day life, and there are more than plenty of transgirls who aren't dysphoric about their natural genitals that pass wonderfully yet never get SRS.

>>8235116
What's the ratio of trans people who are dysphoric about their genitals and those who aren't? I'm extremely so and barely ever look at it, can't wait for the surgery.

MtF transition is probably harder overall for reasons above, but focussing only on SRS, I'd say FtM have it harder, as the technology is way less advanced than MtF SRS. The latter depends on your levels of genital dysphoria.

>>8235142
Does FtM SRS need as much aftercare? Dilating is a pretty big fence to sit on for me.

>>8235142
I'd probably argue that FtM absolutely have to pass for people to even get they're trans.
Like, if you see some hon dressed and behaving like a woman, you can just assume she wants to be adressed accordingly.
A non-passing transman will just look like a girl in casual clothes, you can't really tell the two apart. I'd imagine FtM "hons" (what are those called?) might get misgendered more.

>>8235132
I've met four other transgirls in person excluding myself. Out of the five of us, not one of us wanted or had gotten SRS and were completely okay with their genitals.

Take that as you will, I guess. I feel like SRS is a lot less common and sought-out than most people think, since simply passing socially is the biggest concern and not what's in your pants.

its easier to pass as a guy. simply not passing as a woman makes you a guy by default. TRT is way more effective also.

>>8235173
Where do you live? I imagine it's less desirable in the states as you have to pay an arm and a leg whereas most European countries will do that for free, so it's not something you have to take into consideration economically.

>>8235160
>Dilating is a pretty big fence to sit on for me.
Why is it such a big deal for you?

>>8235173
I'm FtM and know a bunch of trans dudes, and masculine-leaning nonbinary folks and literally none of them want or have had SRS. Pretty much all of them want top surgery and some want a hysterectomy, but no actual SRS.

>>8235173
This is so wild to me. Are there specific meet-ups for 4chan trannies?

>>8235160
As far as I know, MtF aftercare is way more intense, but the end result is usually more convincing (if that's the right word).

Though, there's way less exposure of FtM surgery than MtF. It'd be nice to see more timeline pics after surgery, but I don't see many tranguys posting them.

The thing with MtFs that even if they start at like 25, most of them won't need any surgery to pass decently

However, a FtM has boobs
Good luck tucking in boobs

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>>8235193
>nonbinary

>>8235208
>even if they start at like 25, most of them won't need any surgery to pass decently

Even 14 to 16-year-olds need FFS apparently.

>Good luck tucking in boobs

What is top surgery? Which is much cheaper and more accessible than SRS btw

>>8235194
> This is so wild to me. Are there specific meet-ups for 4chan trannies?

The people that'd agree to meet with you after calling them trannies will be a very limited group. I know it's 4chan where being offensive is 'edhy and cool', but come onnnn, treat people with some decency and you might actually have a nicer life.

>>8235218
Or a binder. Unless you're huge, a 30 dollar binder works until you get top surgery.

>>8235221
I have almost never used that word outside of this site, I would probably lose all my friends. What I'm asking is, where do you find all these people who fell for the non-op meme? Do they actively rape lesbians?

>>8235189
>>8235194
I live in Portland, OR. Trannies are like fucking weeds over here.

Not one of us would have taken the surgery if given the opportunity for free. It came up in conversation, and individually it was agreed on that, "Nah, I'm fine with being a girl with a dick."

There's also the luxury of being a commodity. If you're a MtF and you pass but don't have SRS, you have the virtue of being a girl with a dick, which plenty of people are into. If you DO get SRS and you pass, then you're just a girl with a subpar vagina.

That's not to say that it's really an important factor, since being comfortable with your body is the most important thing, but I like dicks and I like my own dick. I think vaginas are kinda' gross and I don't want one. It's just the extent of one's own dysphoria.

>>8235190
I just don't know how my life would work around spending that much time on it, I'm pretty busy as it is. Kind of feels like a gyp on top of all the others, too, like watching buccal-cell SRS fail.

>>8235197
All the estimates for Gym surgery that I've seen seem to be more expensive for one, and I wonder if fewer FtMs go for it because of the reputation.

>>8235221
Oh, god, shut up.

I'm a tranny and I have a lot of tranny friends. We use the word tranny left, right, and center to refer to ourselves and other transgirls. Stop trying to police people's speech and go back to tumblr.

>>8235218
>Even 14 to 16-year-olds need FFS apparently.
that's just nonsense, most people who start before 20 can pass pretty well even without makeup if they take good care of themselves

hair and voice is 87.5% of passing desu

>>8235235
>like watching buccal-cell SRS fail
I'm non-op, explain this?

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>>8235232
>wants to be a girl
>doesn't want to lose muh manhood penor
This is beyond even AGP, holy shit.

>>8235270
It's incredibly common. Not everyone is dysphoric about their dick.

The results of SRS don't interest me, I'd rather keep a functional member that I can enjoy instead of a broken vagina that doesn't look good or work correctly.

I'm not going to knock someone who wants to get rid of their dick, dysphoria is different for everyone.

>>8235286
NO, YOU HAVE BE TRANS MY WAY EXACTLY OR YOU DON'T COUNT!!11!

>>8235232
>If you DO get SRS and you pass, then you're just a girl with a subpar vagina.

I'm gonna be honest here, if you're trans and you started HRT any later than 16, your neo-vagina is probably gonna be one of the least "subpar" aspects of your appearance. Unless of course you go to a meme doctor like Bowers.

Also, neo-vaginas aren't "broken" and they do "work correctly", so I have no idea what you mean by this post >>8235286, the lubrication meme maybe?

>>8235072
MtF because many males can't look like a boy, at worst an MtF will look like an abomination, at worst an FTM will look very androgynous, a very feminine boy, or chaz bono.

>>8235302
You can't tell me with a straight face that a SRS vagina is going to be anywhere near as functional or aesthetically pleasing as a natural one.

I'd love to be proven wrong, mind you. I still wouldn't want one, but I'd be happier for those who do.

Are there any published reports or studies that show a "Neo-vagina" is as good as the real thing?

MtF has it way better when it comes to SRS.
FtM is better in all other ways, society is much much friendlier towards masculine women than feminine men, and most male characteristics are a one-way street. A transguy that gets on T will grow a beard, get a deeper voice, usually grow a bit, and can easily get surgery to get rid of breasts, but a transgirl that gets on E can't rid get any of that naturally, and getting cis-tier breasts naturally or surgically is a gamble at best.

>>8235269
They were testing a method (in Italy I think), where the vaginal lining would use cell grafts from inside the cheek. Would have eradicated dilating, as the lining wouldn't try to heal closed the way it does with regular SRS. Also would have had better lubrication.

Last I heard the volunteers had complications (though not uncommon ones, just surgery/recovery stuff) and nobody seems to have talked about or tried it since.

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>>8235350
Idk about "aesthetically pleasing", since I've seen everything from "porn star vag" to "literal axe wound", but according to testimonials it is quite "functional" if that's what you're looking for: https://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8052224/#q8052421

>>8235072
One has female privilege.
Protip, it's not the one that wants to wear a dress.

>>8235389
Sounds risky and expensive. I'm glad that there's a chance of it being good, but if I was dead-set on having a vagina I'd probably wait a while more for the science and technique to be more of a sure-fire bet.

I still wouldn't get the surgery, though. If I could swap my body with that of a naturally-born female, I'd 100% go for that - But just the vagina? Nah. I think vaginas are gross. I barely ever use it, but I like my dick. I get all the pleasure I'd ever want from sex from anal. That doesn't change the fact that I try my best to look, act, and dress female. Nobody but myself and my boyfriend will ever see my parts, so it's not something that even comes into account.

>>8235429
Except for the fact FtMs lose their "female privilege" once they go on T and everyone starts perceiving them as male.

>>8235442
I think a big factor here is that I simply don't have genital dysphoria so I naturally don't feel like it's a big deal. To some people I'm sure it's huge, and they can't stand that they have a dick.

I just haven't met anyone like that personally, that's all I was ever trying to say. Every tranny I've met was fine with having a dick because it just didn't bother them much. They still passed with flying colors.

>>8235470
How many MtF are beaten daily and no one gives a damn but once someone pokes a FtM tranny the sky is falling?

Sorry anon but from day zero the FtM has it easier, as some anons already mentioned, MtF will have it harder, from family support to jobs and so on, it's just how society views them and I don't really think much will ever change.

Being born a boy already sets you into a path of "you have to suck it up and deal with it". There's no entitlement.

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>>8235254
>tfw could've transitioned at 19
>tfw couldn't spit it out to the therapist waited until the end of 20
>tfw only got blockers before 21
>tfw only got on E partway through 21

>>8235490
If anything, you just don't hear about FtMs in the news. People don't realize they exist because they actually blend in.

>>8235470
Maybe they lose some but they absolutely keep a huge amount of privilege despite looking male.

>>8235503
FtMs are very rarely killed in hate crimes, but do still run the risk of being killed for other reasons.

MtFs make up for the majority of anti-LGBT murders, about twice that of gay males (L/B and ftm see barely any of it).

>>8235507
like what? i'm not disagreeing with you mind, i just don't have specific examples.

>>8235503
>People don't realize they exist because they actually blend in

That's another point which tells how much easier it is to be a FtM.

I know everyone has a tendency to be biased to their own subgroup, me included, but your own reply says it all. MtF suffer a lot of hate crimes because due to many factors (hell they are born male to begin with) they will have a lot of issues trying to pass as a female.

Anyways I don't really like posting in these threads because it was clearly made by some anon trying to bait and start a fight between trannies.

>>8235072
Hard to say, it's very subjective.

If you're mtf, pass, and manage to find a good relationship, you're quite good off. You still have the option to gamble with surgery, it could turn out alright with it.
It's very likely you won't pass, and not find any good relationship... In those cases, it's going to suck really bad.

You're quite likely to pass as ftm, because males simply don't have as strict visual appearance criteria, they'll be seen as some short and tiny guy. There are always those that simply look like lesbians though, and for them it'll suck.
However, even if an ftm pass, and able to find a relationship... He can't get a penis, and for males, penis is a pretty big deal. So that quite sucks.

Basically, ftms are more likely to have it semi-ok, nobody will have it super good though, and a few will have it horrible. For the mtfs, most will live a hell, while a few will live a life that's pretty good.

>>8235533
Another way to put it.

>ftm
Is like buying a cheap type of charity ticket, assuming you buy quite a few.
There's a chance to win an ok TV, and otherwise you could win a coupon for some clothes to make up for your money spent.
Then some will just straight up lose, and wallow in the loss of that money.

>mtf
Is like betting your entire life savings on 0 in roulette.
Most likely you'll lose, and your life will be a hell, but there's also the small chance you'll win and live a happy life.

>>8235496

>tfw had DIY meds at 16-17 + correct dosage, but got scared about not being able to lead a normal life. No support network at that age and only social groups I found online were boards full of 'hons' and completely unrelatable older people, so tried to force myself to be fem-guy instead. Threw away meds, and then after suffering for so long, restarted at 22 again (now coming to 3 years HRT and pretty happy with progress, but always thinking about "what could've been").

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>>8235521
I hate bait like this, and the whole SJW privilege concept. Both genders have pros and cons, and playing Oppression Olympics and pretending like it's all against males or females helps no one.

>>8235558
Nobody ITT has said that though.

Maybe save it for the feminists who do?

>>8235568
see
>>8235429
>>8235470
>>8235490
>>8235503
>>8235507

>>8235571
Pointing out that out of men and women and out of ftms and mtfs, the men and the mtfs are the ones subject to violence isn't denying that there can be some ways women and ftms lose out.

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>>8235558
>>8235571
Look anon, I'm not really here to trigger people like you but I have to be sincere here. You're acting like the person said yourself you hate so much.

Like the anon from >>8235533 said, it's better to have a high chance of being average / boring than an all or nothing option where the scales are heavily turned into the Nothing.
Do you want a simple example? Let's suppose there's something called "FtM heart procedure" and "MtF heart procedure".
One of them will give you 60% chance of survival once you're in the operation room, the other will give you a 20%.
Would you pick the MtF heart procedure if you had the option while talking to your doctor? I have to be honest, anyone with a brain would want the one with a good chance of survival, it's just simple math.

Now let's go back to the real world here instead of silly examples, statistically MtF will have it worse and are the big number in murder rates, FtM are smaller than even lesbians when you see statistics of hate crimes.

You guys have the big opportunity to live an average life which is way better than what most MtF have.
You know those hon jokes and how everyone even on this board are dicks to the ugly hons? Hons are the great majority of MtF. Think about that. The memes are the great majority, do you think the memes have great lives?

I rest my case, you want to win the "oppression Olympics" yourself and can't even notice what you're doing, that sounds like some serious lack of self awareness, also one last thing.

Where in any part of anything in this thread, people ever denied that FtM don't have it bad either? It's just that MtF sadly have it even worse so just deal with it.

>>8235671
>and can't even notice what you're doing, that sounds like some serious lack of self awareness,
Or s/he knows exactly what they're doing and is cursing that you spotted it.

>>8235172
We should call it being a "Charlie"

Harder to be mtf for sure. The patriarchy despises deserters, but welcomes new recruits.

>>8235845
>The patriarchy despises deserters, but welcomes new recruits.
Hardly a male privilege then.

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>>8235845
I can taste the salty from here, Aiden.
Watch out that passive aggressiveness, you're talking like a girl.

>>8235520
An obvious one is circumcision.

>>8235160
not as much after care, but the surgery itself is much more invasive/difficult and the results are shit.
>Dilating is a pretty big fence to sit on
good pun i keked.

>>8235172
>>8235738
i vote for peppermint patties

>>8235072
MtF mainly because it's just incredibly unfair how useless E is compared to T.

And on top of that we get treated worse too.

>>8235254
>that's just nonsense, most people who start before 20 can pass pretty well even without makeup if they take good care of themselves
Fucking bullshit.

t. unpassable young hon

>>8235072
MtFs have it harder, just because FtMs have more leeway in passing. Testosterone is some powerful stuff. Even a short, small bone structured FtM can still pass as a male, because a beard and a male voice will trump bone structure for presenting male any day.

But a huge MtF is another story. Women's heights pretty much cap out at 6'1" tops (barring freakishly rare occurences), and even at those top heights very few MtFs can pull it off if they've gone through male puberty.

Is it harder to get punched on your balls or to get punched on your clit?

>>8235937
That's a bit dumb considering the vast majority of FtMs would rather have a circumcised penis than none at all.

>>8237897
Post-SRS I no longer have to worry about the getting hit in the balls feeling. It's a real plus.

>>8235238
That's like not being black and saying nigger regularly

>>8238065
Please be sarcastic.

>>8235072
Being a gay in a third world country, like me.

>>8235072
MtF only because
FtMs that don't pass just get called she/her/girl whatever and that's it
MtFs that don't pass get murdered

Testosterone is FUCKING MAGIC I think FTMs have it easier. Estrogen isn't nearly as powerful. It's easier to buff up than to shrink down. People think small guys are fine but if you're a big ugly lady you're fucked. An ugly man is not disparaged at every opportunity because society ain't trained to value them for their looks first and foremost. T makes you stronger so you can fight off assailants plus you get the ROID RAGE which is another edge. E weakens you to just above cis girl tier so if Chad attacks you you're fucked.

I'm fucking jealous.

>>8235232
I mean, I think vulvas are gross and I want one it's awful

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>>8239087

>>8235172
>>8235738
>>8236783
I remember calling them "Ayydens"

>>8239147
Nigger

>>8235072

it's harder to be a straight biological woman or man these days

>>8239792
lmao

>>8237235
When did you start?

>>8235254
>tfw you pass so easy that people are willing to pretend your voice is just androgenous
>tfw you get hit on by qt lesbians
Fuck life is good

Also started transitioning 3 months ago, im 20.

>>8238334
>Being a tranny and saying 'tranny' is like NOT being a nigger and saying 'nigger'

Uh what? Wouldn't the opposite be true?

>>8235379
Probably they did the surgery on some old hon (smoker, overweight).

>>8239058
Just move away from the US already.

>>8235238
>>8243513
>t. fag-voiced HSTSes

I seriously can't think of anything more cringey than a bunch of trannies calling each other trannies in earshot of good decent people.

>>8243297
Where do you even meet lesbians

>>8245338
Uh i was at the mall buying work shoes and this cute asian girl gave me like 30% off and just pretended i was working at the mall, and we talked for a good 10 minutes before i had to run

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>tfw you want to kill yourself but you don't wanna be a tranny stereotype

>>8246118
Maybe she thought you were a cute femboy. Unless it was obvious she was gay.

>>8246634
I dont look like a boy so im pretty sure she was a lesbian

>>8246573
Hasn't transition improved things?

>>8249665
Transition only improves if you actually pass

>>8249696
What's wrong with being an effeminate guy?

Both are hard. Passing is harder for trans women. SRS is harder for trans men. I'm planning on metoidioplasty myself. Having bio kids is harder for trans men, because banking eggs requires female hormone injections to induce ovulation and then surgery to retrieve the eggs. We can't just jerk it into a cup.

I could pass pre-t, but looked like a 13 year old boy at 20. Most trans men can pass from six months of testosterone if they couldn't pass pre-t. Some still can't at a year, but they're rare.

Forgot about binding. Binding is uncomfortable and can be very painful. I bruised my ribs multiple times. I just got mastectomy and I'm so fucking happy I don't need to bind anymore. I know trans men who have lasting rib pain years after surgery though.

>>8249722
>Forgot about binding. Binding is uncomfortable and can be very painful. I bruised my ribs multiple times. I just got mastectomy and I'm so fucking happy I don't need to bind anymore. I know trans men who have lasting rib pain years after surgery though.

Same can be applied to tucking for MtFs, except I don't think we get any lasting complications from doing it.

>>8249742
if tucking hurts, youre doing it wrong

In the short run it's much easier to be FtM. You get to pass easier, have much easier access to clothes and are less likely to be beaten up. In the longrun though, MtF people tend to get better off because of better surgical procedures and the general androgynous look that girls are allowed to have but guys aren't.

Also, it'd really suck to have a dick that's just a roll of ugly skin.

>>8235389
I read a post on asktrans a week ago or two ago from someone who had SRS 2-3 months ago or so, who then suddenly lost her clitoris (last of the tip of her penis) which was her only sexual sensation at that time (more feelings may return inside over time though I guess).
The hood they make over the clit apparently sometimes cuts of the blood supply and can make the clit die and fall off..

>>8250192
Just wanna add, if your dysphoria is bad enough you're gonna take your chance anyway and most likely it'll be fine.
It's just a thing that has to be weighted up against the cons and pros, is the risk worth it even if you get it covered etc.
Personally at this date for me, I think not.

>>8235072
all the FtMs I've met IRL (I only know like literally two MtFs and not very well) say I have it harder than them, but that's probably because I'm a hon and not a general case

>>8249696
>she doesn't feel better with estrogen in her system
A G P
G
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>>8249742
>tucking
>not just wearing a skirt

>Be FtM.
>Takes some mostly banned and heavily controlled substance for easy gainz.
>Instant grow a full beard when anons have a hard time growing one themselves.
>Dress like some boyband fag.
>Get a job like any other guy would.
>Fuck dem lesbos, fuck other FtM and even fuck some bicurious dude.
>If it all fails just go full bulldyke mode and live happily while cursing the patriarchy.

>Be MtF
>Inject whiskey in your balls to kill them, Take birth control pills to grow preteen cone tits.
>Can't get a job because no one wants to hire a tranny, gotta become a whore.
>Have to fuck fat ass faggots and niggers with AIDS
>Get beaten to death by one nigger one day.

Yeah I will pic FtM every time, screw those MtF bitches.

I'm FtM and I got raped by some foreigner (I live in Northern Europe) who supposedly spiked me about a week ago. There was no "female privilege" in the room the doctor and nurse investigated me in nor was there any at the police station. The investigating officer told me that it is supposed to hurt when someone fucks you in the ass even though I had already told him I gave no consent to that. There is a chance that my rapist did what he did because of my identity, they have not questioned IT yet. So, my point is that this can happen to people like me too.

>>8235072
mtfs if they're not delusional sexist freaks unwilling to give up their male privilege like blaire

giving it up is a big deal according to many passing trans ppl ive spoken to

>>8251267
>giving it up is a big deal according to many passing trans ppl ive spoken to
"passing", no 40 year old transitioner passes.

>>8251344
no one mentioned 40 year old AGPs, carafaggot

>>8251260
Sweden being more cucked to Muslims than they are manginas doesn't mean there's no female privilege. You'd have been treated very differently if it was a native who raped you.

>>8251260
Did you work in a shelter or something? Are you one of those people who carry around refugees welcome signs?

Anyways serves you guys right, sweden needs to end.

>>8251349
Who else has "male privilege" and feels like "giving it up" is a big deal?

Only 40 year old hons.

>>8251260
Well do you still look female?

>>8251417
No, I stay away from that movement. I deserve it alright, I should never go out of my house and try to have a good time with my friends until I pass.

I kind of agree with you, LGBT rights and islam cannot coexist nor does islam belong to a civilized society. Yet to wish someone else to experience what I have is terrible, to put it mildly. This shit messes you up. My rapist claimed to be a christian but I guess it's the culture that makes you that way. Fortunately I don't live in Sweden.

>>8251459
Unfortunately I don't pass very well in an environment everyone is supposed to be over 18. I look like a teenage boy so that night I could've been seen as a lesbian. However I remember speaking about my identity to my rapist before he did what he did.

>>8251267
>implying trans people voluntarily partake in the privilege of their birth gender
The whole point is we can't conform to that gender role.

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>>8251368
>>8251417
>>8251767
>just dump all immigrants in ghettos no one visits
>anti-immigration party is currently the biggest party in sweden
You guys are behind, if you're white or really just not retarded you live in the civilization part. From what I could gather during my states visit, the US has a bigger problem with niggers than Sweden does with mudskins.

>>8239147
>>8239087
kek she's dead already

suckers

>>8239147
Nigga

>>8235072
FtM duh, never being able to have a good-looking, working dick. This shouldn't be a hard question.

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>Ftm
It's easier for them to get straight partners.

>women's sexuality is so fluid, and they're easily emotionally manipulated.
>a male body with a fake dick is more heteronormative looking than a girl with a visible dick

>>8239087
It's a tucan, not a pelican >_< Why would a tucan be named "Le Pelican" i don't understand ;-;

I think both have it equally bad. Both have to depend on their genes – a 155cm high transguy with big af hips is equally as fucked as a 190cm high transgirl with manly shoulders. Voice is, of course, easier for ftms, but they may need mastectomy to pass and not look weird on the other hand. Also while mtf's SRS is indisputably a lot better, ftms don't need any facial surgeries in most cases because a beard can make them passable easily. Same with their pre-HRT life – maybe being a tomboy is more socially acceptable than being a femboy, but on the other hand ftms experience periods before they get on T, which I believe is a big source of dysphoria.

>>8235172
The fact that there is much less hon calling and agp shouting among ftm it's clear that mtf are more mental and thus have it harder.

everyone thinks the MTF transition is harder because MTFs are a bunch of whiny attention whores who hog all the spotlight

>>8260709
pretty sure that's just the estrogen fucking with your heads

>>8260761

No, it's harder, because FTMs are pretty much guaranteed to pass and a non-passing FTM is "an adorable tomboy."

You know what a non-passing MTF is? A fag. A tranny. A SheMale. A HeShe. A slew of other impolite things.

Also, try explaining to your family that as the eldest son--the one who is supposed to have a nice house, cute wife, 2.5 kids, a dog, and the white picket fence--that you can't stand the thought of living the rest of your life as a man.

There's a hell of a lot of disappointment and shame.

>>8260761
literally everything ab mtf transition is more difficult except for ftm binding. like. why you gotta play this victim game bull shit or drag, or is someone just insecure tonight and wants to throw their dick around? : /

>>8261388
>why you gotta play this victim game bull shit
XX

>and wants to throw their dick around?
Sharp.

>>8235232
What are the trannies like in Portland? Are they all uptight and all into politics or are they pretty chill? Are they mostly transbiens? It's prolly sad that I wanna move to Portland just to date a kind trans girl.

FtM have it easier when you consider all things, it's not even about being salty about anyone it's just how things are right now in the world.

>Easier to pass, T is quite strong and you can grow a manly beard even if you have a babyface (I can atest on this one since that's literally my case)
>If you don't pass you won't be treated like utter shit. (People just thought I was a tomboy back on my Aiden days)
>If your country has conscription the MtF will get fugged specially if they don't pass.
>Less chances of being victim of rape (if you pass else you fall on the girl rape statistics which is fucked up just like MtF).
>I can get a normal job even if it's a shitty one at wallmart, my MtF girlfriend has to camwhore for money because no one wanted to hire her ass and I have a shitty job so I can't take care of us both alone.
>Bone structure, I can be a hairy muscular dwarf from LoTR or a skinny hipster, she will have to deal with at her best being a giant bitch, at worse a dude in drag.
>SRS sucks for both, whoever says it doesn't is a lying PoS. Until we can transplant cocks and vaginas+wombs we are all fucked.
>Coming out is shit for both but at least I wasn't beaten and throw out of my house like my gf, they just called me a bull dyke kek.

The only thing I can think I am on the losing side was binding because it filled my chest with bruises.
Also I'm laffing at all you aidens trying to pull the victim card, man up we don't have it as shitty as MtF because unlike them they had T being shot in their systems for 20 or more years.

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>>8261554
Id say FtM SRS options are worse, like atleast I can be given something that looks like a vagina. But that hardly makes up for the rest of it.

>>8261554
>SRS sucks for both, whoever says it doesn't is a lying PoS.
>mtf
>looks like a pussy, can pee and fuck, has sensitivity
>not self-lubricating, can't period, obviously not fertile, missing like one set of lips
>ftm
>looks like a skin sausage
>literally fucking cyborg limb with wire backbone and shit
>enormous permanent scar on leg from skin grafting
>can't do shit with it
MtF is clearly better, complaining about your neo-pussy is being picky, not wanting to get a fucking clown prop between your legs is completely understandable.

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>>8262113
Anon one of them is an open putrid wound that you need to keep opening up and even grows hair on the inside.
The other is a corndog.

Both are shit but at least one isn't in a pseudo necrotic state.
If this wasn't a blueboard I would show you some of that shit.

>>8262171
imgur it pls

>>8262171
>open putrid wound
no, try harder

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>>8262249
Are you telling me if you had a dick you would stick inside a MtF pussy?

>>8262171
t. poor burger tranny who can't afford surgery so sour grapes is out of control

>>8262171
FTMs learn from feminism they can get away with lying that they have it worse than males.

>>8262274
yes, it's just a hole lined with skin and muscles

>>8262387
I don't believe you.
It's so disgusting even cis men stay away from MtF that had SRS done.
And you're telling me you would go for it? lel

>>8262443
your knowledge seems lacking if you think it's an open wound
the need for dilation is to accomodate the muscle that there is a hole there

>>8235072
Well just an anecdote but as a ftm who transitioned from a very attractive girl to an average looking guy I used to getting my way with no social skills because I never needed to know how to talk to people (just look pretty). Now having to actually learn how to socialize and engage people is hard as hell because I can't just smile and wait for people to come up to me.

>>8262658
>as a ftm who transitioned from a very attractive girl
Do you fap to pics of your pre-transition self?

>>8262658
That's not really a pure trans problem, cis guys have to deal with that all the time, basically you joined the ranks of the average male so I think it's as successful transition my dude.

Go there and check out the guys in that place, some even look decently well, have jobs are fit but never had a girlfriend in 30 years of their lives. >>>/r9k/.

People really tend to think that place is filled with fat neckbeards but once you start checking the /soc/ threads they have from time to time, you find out they are just average dudes.

>>8262804
I don't care about what women want because I'm gay but I also I don't care enough to join a forum just to rag on women because I'm angry they won't have sex with me like all of r9k

>>8262944
I don't think you get what I meant.
What I'm saying is that most people there that are average but somehow end alone are doing it because they lack social skills and suck at it.
So your problem is basically their problem, again not really a pure trans thing desu.

Being gay will be an issue though since most gay guys do like taking dick and unless you're the bottom problems will arise.

>>8262658
>>8262804
>tfw male
>tfw can't get by on my looks
>tfw won't pass if i go mtf

>>8262962
get a personality

>>8262979
girls don't have to

>>8262658
>Now having to actually learn how to socialize and engage people is hard as hell because I can't just smile and wait for people to come up to me.
>tfw hoping i'll end up passing so this can save me

>>8262982
nobody has to

>>8262993
girls don't lose at life if they don't

>>8261363
suck it up crybaby

>>8263038
girls lose a life if they're ugly. personality is irrelevant.
you're an ugly person but a guy. all you need are some personality gains and you're fine. or money. money will do fine.
if you were born a girl you would be screwed.

FtM won't accept they have a bit easier than MtF because everyone have their own intern biases to look after themselves first.

Also mix with the fact, you like it or not, they grew up as females and that changes a lot in terms of how they perceive things around them.
Getting no for an answer as a male is pretty much the first thing you learn as a kid. Girls tend to be cared more by society and family which is just natural.

So ultimately I don't see why you guys are even arguing with the FtM in this thread, it's not their fault if they can't perceive certain things and the ones who do probably only do because they had to go through a hell of a crash course eating a mile of shit and having to suck it up.

>>8263055
i don't have personality or money

>girls lose a life if they're ugly.
makeup

>>8263074
go get them then

>>8263086
girls don't have to

>>8263097
they don't have the chance

>>8263110
what do you mean

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>>8235072
>tfw no qt mtf deer gf

>>8235208
>The thing with MtFs that even if they start at like 25, most of them won't need any surgery to pass decently
LOL
>Good luck tucking in boobs
It's called a binder dipshit

>>8239147
fuck this meme

One day soon ftms will have better srs options than mtga and they will have literally nothing to complain about.

>>8265611
Why wouldn't MtF technology advance as well?

>>8265745
There's actual ftm technology on the horizon. Mtf? Not so much. Maybe vagina transplants eventually?

>>8265758
>ftm technology

a flap of arm skin hanging between your legs is hardly better than a frankenvagina

>>8265745
First off, nobody gives a shit about mtfs, we've had srs since what, the 30's? And its still basically a fleshlight attached to a human with no real drive or motivation to do a better job.
Ftms on the other hand have penis transplants to look forward to, either lab grown or harvested from a real person.
>>8265777
What does on the horizon mean to you?

>>8265843
You're still a fag-voiced HSTS, presumably. Unless you're a fag-voiced AAP.

AGP.

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>>8235072

For transitioners who start in middle school or earlier with parental support, I imagine it's FtMs because of the lack of a dick (I'm pretty sure early MtFs not being able to get SRS because their dicks are too small is only applicable to penile inversion).

When you get to mid teens and later transitioners, it's harder to say. As an MtF, it's easy for me to say MtFs have it harder because someone might be a 6'4" linebacker with a strong jaw and wide, cleft chin, effortless belt of Adonis, hips narrower than the Strait of Gibraltar, Barry White voice, hairier than a grizzly bear, iPad sized hands, and size 15 feet. But there's the FtM equivalent to that where they're 4'11" have a soft jaw, plump lips, small rounded nose, tiny head, voice of an angel, F+ cup breasts, small rib cage and waist that lead to hips and a round, fat ass that just burst out of any non-custom pants, thick thighs, kindergartner hands, and baby feet.

Damn, I got jelly writing that FtM description but at least I don't match the MtF description.

Anyway, neither of those extremes is going to pass easily so they've got it equally bad. When you look at the average person who might transition, that is, someone who looks like the average cis person, it doesn't really get any easier to say who will have the rougher trans issues. Neither the average man or woman I see would pass easily for the opposite sex.

>>8235490
oh yea it was super easy growing up "as a girl" and being raped and molested and told how cute and innocent i was every libtard asking me if I've "tried" being a lesbian instead of desperately seeking any, any way to transition so these oversized breasts and womanly face and don't get people treating me like shit. Don't talk about shit oyu don't know. Being a man who grew a girl is incredibly painful and lots of people will reject or hurt you for it.

>>8239055
you do understand part of being ftm is often feeling alienated, sickened, and depersonalized because you have you live with tits and a vagina, plus all the medical baggage that comes with that

are you really this dense?

>>8266600
>Neither the average man or woman I see would pass easily for the opposite sex.
Trans men just have to get a beard and no normie will question it.

>>8235072
>FtM
>Take T, grow beard. Pass as manlet in the worst case, worst case dyke mode.

>MtF
>Take E, grow titties, pass as living sex toy for creeps, worst case look like my grandpa wearing a dress and lipstick then get murdered by fag hunters.

>>8235072
I used to always think it was MtF, but after looking at the statistics and seeing how there are far more MtF than there are FtM, I started looking more into it.

Basically, here is how I break it down, at least, in the modern American society:

>Females: Easy Mode
>Males: Normal Difficulty
>MtF: Hard Mode
>FtM: DANTE MUST DIE DIFFICULTY

Trans people that actually go through with a full transition are going to have it rough, but people seem more accepting, at least around here, of the MtF more than the FtM.

Also, technology and medicine are catching up at a nice pace with those who wish to transition from male to female at an early age, while those that wish to do the opposite have more hoops to go through.

If a MtF wants to transition fully, surgery is available when the body is ready for it, all while FtM are left in the dust as surgeons can easily take a penis and turn it into a vagina, but doing the opposite just seems nearly impossible at this time.

>>8249665
Short-term? Yes!

Long-term? No...

>>8268706
>>MtF: Hard Mode
>>FtM: DANTE MUST DIE DIFFICULTY


How are ftms so fucking disillusional?


Passing ftm = gendered as their desired gender

Nonpassing ftm = gendered as butch female and society doesn't give them as much shit

Passing mtf = okish but still held down because of discrimination, forced to do shit lower paying jobs or porn

Nonpassing mtf = DISGUSTING MAN IN A DRESS NOBODY WANTS U!!!

>>8268706
>FtM: DANTE MUST DIE DIFFICULTY
Yes, it must be so fucking hard to only have to grow a beard to pass and get the new voice for free.

>>8269055
>>8269107
muh SRS

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>>8269055
If ftm: DANTE MUST DIE. artificial dificulty bosses have extended health bars, new move sets

if passing mtf: Heaven and hell mode one hit to an enemy they die, one hit to you your toast.

non passing mtf: haha fuck you Hell and hell mode. one hit you die bosses have an extended health bar, same move sets but with the prospect of getting annihilated enemies have a rage mode I guess you could call it that, they had it in dante die but now everything is trying to murder you.

also git gud if dante must die seems hard to you.

>>8269311
damn it quoted the wrong person this rant was meant for >>8268706

>>8269055
>> society doesn't give butch women shit

lmao keep telling yourself that.

being an 'ugly woman' means you don't have female privilege, guys treat you like shit and girls treat you like you're fucking retarded and/or a scary dyke rapist.

off chance you do pass, girls scream at you and kick you out of the bathroom/locker room/whatever

>>8266237
you do realize that ftm surgeries really haven't changed either, right?

>>8270811
Meto

>>8270818
All that does is free up your clit to make it look like a teeny micropenis, at best.

Also penis transplants are NOWHERE near being available to ftms. Thinking that they are is pure delusion.
1. ftms aren't a priority
2. ftms don't have a lot of the anatomy required for successfully hooking up a transplant
3. transplants require strong antibiotics for the rest of your life to make sure your body doesn't reject the foreign body part

>>8270830
A clit can actually be turned into a penis. A teeny micropenis but still a penis.

Not a hole that we'll call a kind of vagina.

>>8270854
Have you even looked at the average meta surgery results? Most are pretty weird looking, aside from being tiny.

Both suck. no need to make it a contest.
If we're splitting hairs, I think mtfs have a harder time passing and generally more social repercussions. Ftms have worse surgery options though.

>>8270912
>a penis that's "weird looking" and tiny
>a hole with the name "neovagina" slapped on

>>8251260

Ftm rape victim here too man. Scotland tho.

Went immediately into denial/repress mode so didn't like talking about it and didn't want to make it a bigger deal than necessary
>asked by police if I knew it's bad to lie about these things
>attacked at school for having 'lied about something like that' and had to drop out, my mum didn't even believe me
>went to a lawyer a couple years later when I found some old chatlogs of ours
>"I was raped by my ex when I was 15 and he was 18"
>"Haha well, we were all 18 once"
>never have gone back

Now I have crippling anxiety and no self worth while rapist moved to Spain and lives cushy.

Rape victims being fully believed no matter the circumstance and unconditionally getting their way is a fucking horrible meme desu

As is most 'female privilage' outside of the states

>>8273299
Of course no one takes you seriously when you're a man crying about rape.

>>8273299
ever considered killing him?

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>>8251260
I'm ftm and was molested by my pastor when i was a child in catholic shcool.
Sad thing is he was known to all the male students as being a threat and everyone stayed away from him, and i've always felt good about the fact that he chose to rape me, since he never molested female students.

>>8273299
>Rape victims being fully believed no matter the circumstance and unconditionally getting their way is a fucking horrible meme desu
>As is most 'female privilage' outside of the states
Fuck off.

>>8275197
tru tho

A non-passing Ftm looks cute like a tomboy or something imho. A non-passing mtf looks kind of gross (though I still try to be respectful and use the right pronouns).

On the other hand, though, I think you can tell when a man is trying to pass as a woman. So you can use the right pronouns etc. and say "mam" even if they don't look right. But its hard to tell when a woman is trying to pass like a man short of that nasty prepubescent facial hair and short hair cut.

Looks aren't everything but thats my 2c.

>>8275341
>Looks aren't everything but thats my 2c.

>One at worst case looks cute.
>Other is gross.

The irony. This is why I hate FtM you guys are too autistic to notice your own words.

>>8275458

I said it wasn't EVERYTHING. So a person can look cute but have it really hard or look gross but have it easy.

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>be mtf, been on hrt for a couple of months, look like a hon despite effort
>ftm acquaintance, my age, hasn't gotten hrt yet, just has a short haircut and bind tits, passes like a 13 yo boy no problem

>>8239147
ree

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>>8251260
>The investigating officer told me that it is supposed to hurt when someone fucks you in the ass
my sides

>>8268451

Are you serious? >>8251308

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FtM faces just weird me out a bit (especially when they grow that giveaway pedostache), whereas I feel really really feel uncomfortable around MtF. I don't know what it is exactly, but my fight or flight sensor gets activated and I become angry.

>>8276426
This is an extreme case of someone thinking bulking up from anorexia would be a better way of passing than just binging on junk food and getting fat.

>>8276460
Because they're men and men are inherently dangerous latent rapists.

>>8276479

But >>8268451 said a beard is all that is needed to pass as male.

>>8276532
kys

>>8269311
>Heaven and hell
>Hell and hell
some of us actually played the good dmcs thank you very much

>FtM
>Hard.

topest of keks.
women whine and act like victims even when they want to be men, jesus christ.

So who feels jelly of either description in >>8266600.

>>8282252
The 90% of MTFs who aren't femboys and the 10% of FTMs who don't want to be twinks.

>>8239147
Stop

>>8282339
why?

>>8273655
>and i've always felt good about the fact that he chose to rape me, since he never molested female students.
The lengths people will go to to be trutrans.

>>8276460
Her recount got denied ahahaha

>>8273655
>>8288848

I can kind of see myself feeling the same way if I had been molested by someone who only molests girls.

>>8273299
Sorry to hear that. I hope you will be able to just move on and that there is some kind of cosmic justice.

>>8273655
that's fucked up but hey whatever helps you cope

>>8275642
yeah that is kinda funny. the guy was 40-50 and probably never had anything but missionary with his wife

>>8235072
>>8235081
also MTF have to learn to sound female, they have to hope hormones feminize them enough to be female, and even then, sometimes feminization leaves you in a barely passing state. to put into perspective, a FTM goes through a male puberty induced by male hormones. a MTF is an attempt to reverse puberty. is kind of hard to reverse that process.