/ftmg/ - female to male general

Any of you guys do self destructive behavior? I know Brooklyn does his thing but anyone else?

Also, is Brookie kill?

>>8142438
I do, but it doesn't have to do with me being trans, it's me also being bipolar.

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>>8142438
I drink a decent amount and dabble in drugs. When I'm fucked up I tend to get reckless. Currently rocking a black eye because of last weekend's events. However unlike Brooklyn I work 40 hours a week and pay attention to my diet.

Also, cigars are true tobacco kino.

>>8142449
I love cigars. Too bad they're so expensive.

tfw mtf and don't have a ftm bf to abuse me and use me :c

>>8142694
I don't mind pretending to be mean to you in bed, but I'm not doing it for real, that's messed up. And I expect make-up cuddles after.

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Question: is being 1m71 manlet-tier length?

>>8142772
>1m71
you mean 171cm? no, that's not that short.

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>>8142772
Taller than me: lanklet
Shorter than me: manlet
My height: Imposter, must exterminate

>>8142694

Me too.

I'm a gay guy btw

>>8142775
More re: suits
Never have your jacket buttoned while sitting down, and don't button the lowest button (same goes for waistcoats).

>>8142776
>tfw ftm
>tfw no cis gayboy to bully and keep as pet

>>8142774
Yes, 171cm, sorry. My GF is 181cm. In the Netherlands it is normal to be around 178cm and taller for males... I feel so small lol

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>>8142783
noted

>>8142786
>My GF is 181cm
woa

>>8142784

C A N A D A

We can talk about Persona 5 and /his/tory too if you like.

>>8142794

E U R O P A

what history do you like? Did you know that according to Chinese tradition throwing someone's ashes to the wind is equivalent to dooming the person forever to be a restless spirit.

>>8142801

Partially knew about that, knew it was bad, didn't know it was literal doom.

Tell me more /his/tory if you want on my Discord ( Moon#1891 )

Ya know if you want to. I can tell you about Chinese slow-slicing and sweet potato farming

>>8142793
Yeah, I have male friends that are taller than 190cm even 200cm.. Most females are also taller than me here.

>>8142772
I would kill to have that height

>>8142809
My dad is 193 cm. I look like a midget next to him.

How to find a partner who does not expect nor give affection; will not touch me; enjoys communication with me but doesn't think it's constantly necessary; doesn't make me feel guilty or expect me to change things that I do; will go to the movies with me and whose banter is strong.

>>8142925
sounds like you want a friend not a partner

>>8142925
Sounds like you need a social assistant dog dude

>>8142925
get a parrot and an automatic feeder

>>8142438

i'm still alive... whether or not that's fortunate is something else entirely

>>8142449

i'm vegan, don't eat fast food, don't eat a lot of unhealthy things, generally just eat fruit and vegetables... that's not paying attention to what i eat?

what does you working that much have to do with anything?

>>8142925

you don't want a relationship...

>>8142934
>>8142949
Yeah, I thought so. Just I'm becoming increasingly aware as I get older how I might be seen as a weirdo.

>>8142940
>>8142939
When I the point when I officially go from normal human to a crazy dog man?

>>8142962
How many pooches you have?
Get a cabin, a shotgun and squirrel hide coat, then you're the crazy dog man.

>>8142962

people might see it as weird, but it's pretty clear what you value and want doesn't come with a relationship so fuck what they think... no reason to be in a relationship for other people when it goes against everything you want... and really it's not that weird for people to choose to be single and not give those things up for everyone...

idk... if my s/o and i broke up i probably wouldn't bother dating anyone else or at least not take anything seriously... relationships are a lot of work and compromise and doing that for 12 years with him has been one thing, but anyone else? nah fuck it...

>>8142940
I know you were joking, but parrots are if anything, even more social than humans. They need interaction and it's cruel to get one if you don't plan on spending hours every day playing and bonding and just chilling with your birdie buddy.

>>8142969

for anyone* my bad...

>>8142972
get two parrots

>>8142925
That's what I though I wanted in a relationship before i actually got in one

>>8142965
One dog to my name. Though when I find a place that allows pets and I start earning real people money, that may likely change. A cabin, eh...

>>8142969
See, I know rationally not to worry about it but it preys on my mind. Relationships are an indicator of being a balanced, healthy person and being a mature adult. People might be too polite to ask what the deal is but I'm sure they wonder.

>>8142998
Wh-what happened?

>>8142972

interacting with a bird can be as simple as cleaning while they're on your shoulder and talking at them while you do it... gypsy sits on my shoulder, preens my hair, and talks at me while i wash dishes...

my birds go crazy over shit like me playing guitar and singing... they fly around the room, dance, make noise (they work on talking and beatboxing mostly), and come over to chill with/on me... they love it, but i don't have to actually do anything

>>8143004

they can be yeah... but having a relationship as a façade cuz you're worried about what people think isn't a sign of a healthy adult... whereas being self aware of what you can give to other people and what you want from them is techcnically the sign of a healthy, functioning adult too... there are plenty of people in relationships that don't want to be, with someone they don't connect with just because they feel like they're supposed to try... that shit's not healthy, the relationship isn't makinng those people functional either...

there's different ways to be seen as functional, life isn't a series of things everyone has to do in order to be fulfilled...

and even if everyone else thought you were weird... so? isn't it better to be seen as odd than be miserable or make anyone else that way just to fit a standard that doesn't suit you?

why do you care what people think? is what the average person does or says important to you in any way other than when they have an opinion about you? cuz no one is liked by anyone anyway... and most people make stupid decisions or think a handful of idiotic things too

may as well learn how to be comfortable in your own skin and live the way that works for you instead of worrying...

idk... i kinda just see it like if you care too much about what other people think you're disregarding the fact that there's no reason to in nearly every case... they don't have to live your life, you do, so they can't decide what's best for you better than you

>>8143051
True, but there's an alarming amount of people out there that think keeping birds in small cages and taking them out for maybe a half hour total every week is okay.

>>8142772
Shorter end of average, manlet by /fit/ standards, lanklet by /ftmg/

>>8143086
oh shit my thread didn't refresh again

I'm sorry anon, you need to become a weeb and move to china or something

>>8143091
Ah shit

>>8142783
I've never worn a suit in my life and my future job won't require me to, lab coat will allow for shit clothing. What's the appeal of suits? Asking for real, they're boring.

>>8143059

yeah i know... that shit's fucked up, i lived across the street from a cockatoo someone was torturing like that for a while... saw it once when they had its cage in the window it was fucked up, plucked most of its feathers out and shit

it would scream nonstop and in the middle of all that screaming start yelling "shut up" while this hysterical woman did the same pretty much

what's sorta funny though is that gypsy makes this (significantly lower, and she sounds like a robot) noise that my s/o and i are pretty sure started as her trying to mimic its screams... but she does it after giving people or things kisses and makes this weird dumb happy face after... she presses her beak on something and makes a kissing noise then she makes her version of tortured cockatoo noise...

generally though when you let them out (like people do with other pets anyway) they don't need attention in ways that are difficult... like gypsy's sitting on my shoulder right now purring and trying to beatbox, she's happy just chilling and having me and my s/o make noise back at her...

she's gonna be way less happy soon once she realizes she's going to the vet today

>>8142945
>>8143135
I'm glad you're not a plant. Or dead. Or a dead plant. Why is Gypsy going to the vet?

>>8143160

i'd be ok with being any of those things, but thanks... btw i'm used to people thinking i might be dead, but why would i be a plant?

just a check up and nail clipping... she'd probably let us clip her nails, but the idea of doing that myself makes me feel sick so i'd rather just take her to get them done... birds need a yearly check up anyway so i'm getting both things over with at once

it was supposed to be last saturday, but shit happened... when i rescheduled i didn't know what day it was or what day today was gonna be so her and i are both gonna be sad about the vet trip... i should be endlessly getting shitfaced today

>>8142300
How many of you guys have been diagnosed with Poly Cystic Ovary syndrome? I'm beginning to think it's a major factor in my dysphoria.

>hard to lose weight
>heavy periods
>body of a man with the face of a woman
Just fuck my shit up

>>8143104
d a p p e r

>>8143182
>body of a man
lucky bastard

>>8143104
My GF finds them attractive.
They're a symbol of power/having your shit together (at least when worn correctly)
Everyone looks good in a suit fit to their body, colour, and style (and finding that fit is relatively easy)
They flatter your masculinity
Easy to style to your personal look once you know the rules
(In general, having rules for your fashion makes it sooo much easier)
Flattering to my body
List goes on, and can be detailed, but those are the big points.

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>>8143199
>They flatter your masculinity
This. Wear a binder though or else pic related.
They compensate for all the areas where an ftm might lack a natural masculinity. When I get a more stable situation I'm gonna indulge in a few. Only have half-ass stuff atm. I have the shoes and ties, but the suits themselves are a few grand away, and it's not a thing people give as gifts either. Fuck it.

>>8143182

no idea, i know i had (have? who knows) a cyst and some scarring cuz i was in the hospital years ago for unrelated issues and they found that during a scan

the surprise internal exam was really traumatic as far as dysphoria goes and i never followed through with seeing a doctor about the results...

i don't have a weight issue though (my ribs stick out like crazy it's gross) and i lose weight quickly cuz of stomach issues anyway... so that's a non issue... heavy periods and extreme pain though... and i'm not built very feminine (don't have hips, an ass, or thighs and shit really)

i'd rather just take opiates and smoke to deal with pain instead of going through all of that... if i was overweight i'd care more about it

>>8143199

i hate formal clothes... they make me feel like i'm wearing a costume...

>>8143193
I have broad shoulders, narrow hips and most of my fat is in my upper body.
I'm only 5'3 though and have tiny hands/feet.

>>8143225
I like wearing a costume!

>>8143369
Are you me?

>>8143180
>why would i be a plant
Ask the plants. They know.

>>8143524
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUVmcKcTZ4A

just posting this because

Man, you guys are a lot more sane than we are.

>>8143582
420

>>8143613
headpats pls

>>8143614
it's like an ftm holiday

What do and what not to do at the gender clinic?
I'm a late transitioner and the same age as one of the shrinks and on the same level intellectually speaking. Is it weird to invite him out for a beer or something? Strickly no homo.

Lads, should I ask my sister (who officially knows I'm not on T anymore) to buy me syringes and needles? I'm going to the gym now and can't be assed to go to the pharmacy later since it'll be late and raining.

Plus, pharmacists think I'm a junkie and my sister looks all nice and proper.

>>8143687
>I'm not on T anymore
why

>>8143691
She's against transition, her version is that she's scared for me.

>>8143698
So you're not off T but she thinks so?

>>8143613
Who's "we" ?

>>8143723
plants

>>8143713
Yeah. I didn't even tell her directly, she found out about my vials (with a fucking TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE on them) because she was looking for some shit in my drawers.

So, how can I go about this before she goes out?

>>8143732
I doubt you can persuade her to buy it without coming clean or pretend to be a junkie/beetus/piercing artist.

>>8143665
Bump. Would it be weird or not? I'm bad on social boundaries.

>>8143749
Rule of thumb is that if you're in a situation where either of you is paying/dependent on the other, don't do it. Maybe if you find yourself in a position where you no longer need to see him you can ask him out then.

>>8143735
Told her.

I'll see when she comes back.

>>8143762
Makes sense

>>8143864
I'd fuck right.

>>8143864
both are fuckable

>>8142438
Nah
My therapist was really surprised when I said I've never done self-harm, drug use, or excessive drinking

>>8142809
>>8142786
Move to Italy, you'll feel like a god.

>>8143864
I was thinking about this today.
My friend commented that someone was checking me out at the store and I just don't get it.
I haven't been on T long so at the moment, I look like some kind of between-gender thing. Why would people be into that?

>>8143392

some people do yeah... i don't, i find it annoying to bother with clothes that i can't do shit in... i like wandering through the woods or parks and gardening etc or getting shitfaced with people... suits just get in the way

>>8143524

plants only ever tell anyone about themselves though...

>>8143582
i've only smoked once today... vet visit went well though and we're gonna go chill later

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hi /ftmg/, been a long time

please rec me binders that are not fucking meme gc2b and are not like pic related.

preferrably ones that don't cost an arm and a kidney. the cheaper, the better, but not at the expense of uncomfort ofc.

thank you

>>8144214
GC2B are fine, not very dureable, but fine. Underworks is still king, in my book, though.

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>>8144214
also I forgot to mention

if anyone knows a binder with a bottom elastic that'd be fantastic. obviously not one that's too tight/crushes your ribs but y'know.

basically, a sports bra. that flattens the milk bags up.

>>8144223
gc2b is not fucking fine nigger since day one that shit doesn't bind anything, sticks out everywhere, uncomfortably tight even though it doesn't bind shit and by not binding shit i mean literally a fucking sports bra binds more.

yes I got the right size.

gc2b is fucking normie meme.

>>8144214
also

no velcro pls

>>8144230
U wot m8. Even my G-cup friend had a good experience with them, and they didn't get compression for shit with underworks.

Anyway, underworks, still. I used the tri top, which isn't very sexy and gets a bit itchy but does a good job keeping everything in. I imagine the half-length ones would be a bit more comfortable.

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>>8144239
>G-cup

>>8144140
>Why would people be into that?
cis men will fuck anything
cis girls look for exotic accessories

>>8144214
>binders that don't leave "the pec effect"
Not really possible unless you're already small.

>>8144239
well it's fucking shit for me. maybe it's different for each body types, i don't know.

>>8144223

i prefer gc2b... underworks runs too big...

>>8144268
>not really possible

time to get the scalpel

12 days until titties are gone

>>8144299
I hate you

>>8144230

works fine for me...

>>8144299
Godspeed.

t. no titties masterrace

>>8144214
lose weight + sportsbra

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>>8143687
>Lads

>>8144431
Very witty, anon. I bet you feel clever now.

>>8144441
do

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who was nipples

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>>8140802
I'm betting she's on her way to becoming a full on terf, thanks faggots

>>8144596
>she

>>8144533
maybe he has diabetes or some other condition that causes poor wound healing and didn't want to risk nipple grafts failing and leaving two more scars?

you can get nips tattooed on. it was first done on women who get mastectomy for breast cancer, as usually the nipple is removed too. the tats can look amazingly realistic.

>>8144596
Stop giving the whiny homo attention

>>8144623
If you got tattoo over scar tissue of failed nipple grafts, would it look more realistic for having a different texture than just tattoo on skin?

>>8144815
Depends on the scarring perhaps. If the scar looks like a nub it would be a decent pass.

>>8144357
>lose weight
does that shit actually work or is it a meme?

I mean I understand that titties supposedly have fat in them but wouldn't you have to go downright anorexic to lose at least 0.01% of the fat in them at all?

i'm just wondering if it's all a myth or what

I did notice they've gotten much bigger ever since I started gaining weight because of my meds and overall chair-sitting 24/7 though, but is the reverse/opposite true? would I start losing titty fat back down if I started sports again and for example went off my meds or changed em or something?

if anything, won't losing titty fat just make them downright saggy and nothing else?

anyone in /ftmg/ have any thoughts on lesloveboat? my first binder was from them and I loved it so much but then again back then I had smaller tits. eventually it worn out pretty quick afaik and doesn't bind shit anymore and I'm not sure whether I should buy the same binder or go for a new one.

>>8144868
I went from full C to medium A by losing weight and doing cardio. It can be done, but I think it depends on the person. I had to go very low before it happened but I know some cis girls who lost tit size the moment they started losing weight even when they still were overweight. It's worth a shot if you have weight to lose.

>if anything, won't losing titty fat just make them downright saggy and nothing else?
Only if your skin is shit or them being huge from the start. Same counts for losing weight anywhere on the body.

>>8144899
>lesbian site sells binders
Just like Ray said.

>>8144920
stone butch lesbians (closeted ftms) have been wearing binders for a while now and claiming you can still be a woman while wearing one or something. i kind of feel bad for them

>>8144899
Had one that was shit. Flattening worked not by squishing my tits but by adding a rather unflexible layer on top of it to smoothen stuff out. Made me look like I was woring a bulletproof vest or something under my shirt. Also wore out really quickly.

>>8144977
>Made me look like I was woring a bulletproof ves
why is this not a thing

>>8142925
I'd be one for you. I don't give affection either.

>>8145048
>aspie love

>>8144899
Underworks is decent.

>>8145082
Pretty sure I'm just ace but I don't know, never got tested

>>8145048
Sick. I'll consider us a couple with the proviso that we do none of the things that usually constitute being a couple and also we tell no one because that's embarrassing.

>>8142783
>knowing this
A A P
A
P

>>8146780
>wanting to look good is apparently AAP

this is why trannies end up so ugly, spend 5 seconds on your appearance and people call you a fetishist

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Important question for pre-op ftms: does your vagina smell like a dick?

I've been kinda questioning since highschool (currently in college) and first thought of being ftm, then androgynous for quite awhile, now i'm back to figuring out that I'm probably ftm. Has anyone felt like this? I know for certain that I don't see myself as female.

I've been considering going on T, For awhile now I've been feeling more unhappy in my body and it sucks.

>>8144533
I do.

>>8144533
Well, is there really a point to them aside from aesthetics anyway?

>>8147797
that depends on the temperature

>>8147802
why are you cooking nipples

>>8147120
I have a friend who does the androgyny thing and they're on T. You can just get a low dose.

I'm getting on t in about a month or a month and a half. (Not sure if my next appointment will be it or if I'll need one more) but all my doctors keep saying they will probably start me on a low dose to see if my body rejects the hormone and just turns it into estrogen. I really want to be beefed out of this stuff though.

Have any of you had to take estrogen blockers? If so, did they give it to you the same time as test or after a reevaluation of your hormone levels?

>>8148502
I wouldn't worry about starting on a low dose. If you wanna get jiggy with it just do your shot a few days earlier than you tell your doc you did when you get your levels tested so your T level will be slightly lower. This will make your case for getting a higher dose better especially if you're not seeing things like fat redistribution or voice changes in the first month or so. Also depends on if your doc is wanting you to be on the low end of the cis male spectrum or not.

If you wanna get beefed up remember that gains are made in the kitchen. Gotta get 1g protein/lb of bodyweight at least. I'm around 2 months on T now and my forearms have easily doubled in size and I went from struggling with 80 lb boxes at work to easily dealing with 140 lb boxes. Just remember your body can't build muscle effectively without protein and sleep.

>>8148466
Low dose only slows down the rate of which changes happen, though. It does not make you andro forever unless you were already going to be like that.

>>8148573
I'm switching endcrinologists for my first appointment after getting my therapist recommendation letter, so I'm really in the air about what this doctor is going to want from me. I'm nervous though because I've been trying to get on test for 8 months now and I have everything prepared so I'm hoping she just goes with what my old doctor was going to do.

I think the lying about my dosage day could work. Since I assume if your body is turning test into estrogen, your test levels will be low. I just want to get on this estrogen blocker my old doctor mentioned asap because I ain't got patience to be looking like a dyke for much long. After 8 years of this shit I'm just ready to look like a man or at least feel like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzvXWjKSyQA

>>8148619
My new anthem.

>>8144868
I've lost about a stone, went from Cs to As...wish I'd lose more off my hips and thighs >_>

>>8148679
6.3 kg, ok. Thanks for making me google archaic measurement units.

>>8148576
Slows down changes and you can be on it long enough to get approved for ovary scooping, then freeze what you achieved by going eunuch mode. It's literally the only way unless you have andro genes. You get ralox for bone health. I will quit T in my late 20s and go down that route too. I already decided man aging isn't for me, but neither is woman aging, the risk of brittle bones is worth it.

>>8149218
won't your body revert back to it's base, a female skeleton, if you do the eunuch mode? AMAB eunuchs tend to look like women in relation to fat distribution.
How will no estrogen change your aging pattern?

>>8148576
I'm the problem with low dose is that injections have a peak and trough, so even taking a low dose is effectively s high dose immediately after the shot. I'm trying to look kinda switching to a low number of testopel implants because I think I can get a legitimately low dose that way.

>>8149285
imo*

>>8149292
Ok there are like forty other typos thanks to Google keyboard but I'm too lazy to fix it

>>8149268
No estrogen will kill your skin and you'll look 5-10 years older than you are after like 5 years of it. Put any pic of trans men who have been on T longer than 5 years into how-old.net and they pretty much always are aged older than they are. I think it's due to men thinking they're like allergic to estrogen and are aiming for the highest testosterone and lowest estrogen levels possible, forgetting that you really need both in your system to be healthy.

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>>8149313
Sooo.... why go through with >>8149218

>>8149343
I don't think it's a good idea. If you do get a hysto, have your e levels checked as well. If they're too low, you might even need to take e in pill form, or maybe implants if that's an option. You don't really need a hysto though, just take a low dose of testosterone or quit T after your voice drops

>>8149313
That also largely depends on genetics, there is menopausal women with good skin. If you eliminate both, you'll age like an eunuch because hormone production is left to the adrenal glands and not completely ruled out. Look up pictures of Alessandro Moreschi, who was one of the last "castrati" singers. His skin aged normally. There's plenty of people who for one reason or another have not much hormonal production in their systems and not all of them look like shit. And anyway it's all a matter of picking what bothers you less. Keep taking T until you're comfortable with what happened then quit and either go back to E or to nothing keeping in mind there's consequences, but in my case I prefer risking.

>>8149806
he was born with an xy body though, and his body probably compensated the lack of testosterone by producing more estrogen. That's why the castrati got odd fat distribution.

>>8149268
You lose muscle tissue and can't gain as much, which is what gives off that impression. A man who had muscle and then cuts testosterone and exercise will end up a lard bag.

>>8149823
If you're a pear shaped manlet you're out of luck for andro mode anyway. If you're fairly tall with a slim figures, results aren't that different. Also everybody's endocrine system has more than once centre of hormonal production: fat tissue produces estrogen, adrenal glands produce hormones, muscle tissue androgens and so forth. A man with no testicles and fat will have a lot of estrogen, just like anybody, even an XX.

>>8149980
Why does this give uncanny valley vibes ?

>>8150271
feminine tattooes, skinnier than average, feminine clothing, ear stud. He's a shave away from mtf.

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>>8149980
>>8150271
>>8150359
It's penguinz0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOpTRLDDwYE

He's a decently funny guy that has a YT channel where he posts various shit and podcasts always talking in a trademark monotone voice.
He has an interesting past of being OCD to the point of semi insanity including jacking off for like 20 years to the same exact lesbian sex video in the same exact manner else he couldn't come.
He does indeed look uncanny, sorta like a PS2 male model in some obscure forgotten B-tier video game (wich fits, often it's the kind of shit he plays for the channel).

>>8148466
I found that I've been way more comfortable being seen as a male and everything. I'm even happy when kids mistook me for a man, it felt great. I feel that I may feel better when i finally take the step of going on T. I'm still using my girl name, but i'm kinda thinking of changing it. any good names?

>>8150388
>that autism
wew

>>8150271
>>8150359
It's just the beard to be honest.
A beard is explicitly masculine, especially a thick one like that, and looks off when paired with feminine features.
That's why that bearded Sikh woman and Eurovision tranny were totally creepy. But cr1t1ikal doesn't really look weird, especially not compared to them.

>>8150504
I'd say it's the "sweet" type of autism.
They had Adam from YourMovieSucks on a podcast wich is a literal gay furry that identifies as a horse and he didn't make fun of him at all, he was pretty polite and friendly. (not that insulting Adam would hurt his feelings at all, the guy is basically completely dull, but i'm just saying)

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>>8150443
Albertus Frivilius the third.

>>8150388
is he trans?

>>8150538
i love him

but maybe a name less regal for me haha

>>8150578
Nope, he's a completely straight cis male as far as i know.

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>>8150588
Mathias

>>8150602
kitty does a blep ;w;

maybe a simple name, something androgynous but still manly

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>>8150617
Chris

>>8150625
I'll keep that one in mind! its good :)

any other ones?

>told myself i just wanted meta
>now im realizing i want phallo

help

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>>8150634
Names or kots?

>>8150650
water your arm skin twice a day and whisper "grow grow grow"

>>8150657
names ;w;

more kittens please tho

>>8150650
Why the change of mind?

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>>8150682
Ed

>>8150699
i was thinking of Jax or Jack?

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>>8150731
Jack is good

>>8149980
Hey Charlie

>>8150443
>any good names?
Not really, just a lot of bad names. Just don't pick anything snowflake-y or weird for your age group and you're fine.
It's common to ask your parents what they would've named you if you were born with a dick.

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Hello, I'm a very confused person who is wondering if I am trans. How would I go about finding out for sure?

>>8150784
nowhere with that shotgun, tubby

>>8149980
Would ride into the sunset/10

>>8150634
We had a girl named Axel in my school. But in burgerland people will probably just think of Square Enix.

Jack, maybe.

Kim, if you're cool with a meme-y name.

>>8150784
Describe why you think you might be and the ways in which you are masculine and feminine.

>>8150650
Same here. I mean I'm not totally decided yet, but it would be so awesome to be able to penetrate a girl properly with my own flesh and blood dick.

>>8150698
i don't think meta will be big enough

>>8150923
I feel laid back, I don't take anything too seriously. I don't care that much about beauty or acting feminine. I don't get offended when people confuse me for a man. I don't know.

>>8150914
I've seen Axel used as an actual name, but yeah if someone my age came out as a transman with the name Axel, I'm going to assume they're a KH fujo.

>>8150784
Gender therapist

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>he doesn't do neck curls

It's like you faggots want to be necklets

>>8150538
i love him

buying gf

>>8150994
do you feel bad in your body or surroundings in any way? do you hate being treated like a woman (and not in the meme "im looked down upon :(" way)?
from what you described youre just a slightly masculine, gnc woman. unless you have any problems with how people view you or the way you look youre just cis.

have you guys ever found that masturbating while thinking about a certain girl helps you get off, even if you don't have a crush on her

for some reason thinking of one of my housemates helps me get off. I don't even like her, I actually think she's kind of annoying

>>8151439
Sexual tension, anon.
And no, I don't. I either think about fantasy girls with features I'm attracted to or a certain actual girl who I have a massive crush on.

>>8150994
you should treat the decision to transition in as much of an on-the-nose way as possible

do you want a deeper voice? do you want lower growth? do you want a higher libido? do you want fat and muscle redistribution? would you be okay sacrificing some hair on your head? would you be okay sacrificing smelling good with no effort? do you want your periods to stop? does testosterone have any adverse health effects that should steer you away from it (it increases cholesterol, for example, so if you already have high cholesterol, this would be risky) ? do you want a beard and body hair?

I think if you want most or all of the effects, you should consider moving forward with hormones and talk to a gender therapist.

>>8151458
for clarity - those weren't all the effects of T, just a sample of most of the major ones

>>8151439
I actually tend to masturbate thinking of girls I don't have feelings for. That way it's purely sexual, I'll stop thinking about her immediately afterwards, and no other feelings get involved that might kill my boner. Not always, but it's usually the safest.

>>8151439
It didn't help me get off any more than usual but I've thought about girls I know irl who I'm not really attracted to.

I want to maybe get phallo but definitely want to get meta first. The nhs only covers one bottom surgery so could I pay for the meta and have them pay for the much more expensive phallo if I do end up wanting it?

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> Tumblr blog called "becoming-aiden"
> Wears bow ties
> Dyed undercut
> Gender studies major
> Male feminist
> Looks like a 14 year old fat kid
> Draws shitty comics documenting their transition and puts them on their blog
> Takes pics of themselves in their binder / is proud of their DI scars because #bodypos

>>8151812
I find this funny about FtMs.
They're either the perfect Tumblr stereotype or nothing like it.

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>>8151812
The only reason I ever visit tumblr is to scroll the ftm tag and worse than the type you're talking about here is the

"I love overwatch! Fandom! Demiboy!" type that somehow manages to be worse than Aidens.

Also, the return on investment status of college is so low that I assume anyone going to college for a completely fucking useless degree like gender studies is a type where they needed to be in the structured womb of schooling but had no actual academic ability. Yet because colleges are practically leftist indoctrination factories at this point they accept these useless blobs and their parents money with open arms. Disgusting.

>>8151963
>I love overwatch!
ugh the people who have overpopulated that fandom on tumblr with their fetishy dysphoric inducing depictions of their trans headcanons are gross. Especially when they claim to be trans "so it's okay!"

s/o decided to get a drug surprise... gonna have shrooms

>>8149980
>perfect house husband
the dream

>>8152237
lucky bastard

>>8152883

gonna do them tomorrow though, he works in the morning and our dealer always gets here late so it'd be stupid to do them tonight

>>8152943

+ it ended up not being a surprise cuz he told me there was gonna be a surprise and i hate not knowing things so i got him to tell me what it was...

never tried them before... should be interesting

I just went to a drag show with alyssa Edwards and other local drag queens. But there was one drag king and they were so short compared to the queens. It got me thinking, is this our one thing well never over come? Will we always be short men? Does test do anything about height for ftm post puberty?

>>8153246
Some transguys are lucky enough to be born tall.

>Does test do anything about height
Not really. Maybe an inch or two.
It depends more on genetics than T

How do you guys handle coming off a first acid trip, especially knowing you're trans and can't change where you're at yet due to outside factors?

>>8154603
Remember you just did acid and probably don't care that much anyway

>>8154603
Focus on all the other things in your life instead

>>8154603
This is why you don't do acid if you're not in a good place mentally.

It's fucking hailing outside

A friend of mine is looking for a good binder that wont destroy her ribs. She doesn't have large breasts and I think she might also want to do exercises in it? I'm not sure this is a good idea, but I dont have any experience with binders. We live in Toronto, in Canada. So if anyone has any advice or links I'd appreciate it.

>>8154732
>her
is she just a tomboy or are you being an asshole?

>>8154748
She's questioning. alot. like really hard. She seems to be cycling between girly, getting depressed, going as boy mode as she can then hiding for a bit and going girly again. Because I'm trans, and she knows it I'm a bit of a safe space for her. I'm not even sure we're "friends", but it sucks to see someone in pain like that so I'm doing what I can to help her.

She hasn't declared anything gender pronoun wise and when I asked her if in private she wanted me to call her by gender neutral pronouns she said no. Then again, she keeps on referring to herself as a my "work husband" so yeah, fuck if I know. I just want to be supportive of her.

>>8154775
S/he's AAP.

>>8154732
If she barely has breasts, suggest a sports bra that a size too small for working out. Real binders should not be worn for more than 6 to 7 hours a day and definitely shouldn't be worn when working your lungs a lot.

>>8154786
why do you say that?

>>8154786
Thank you, but whats an AAP? I dont think I've ever heard of it before.

>>8154798
anon is meming on you

I'm doing like you guys told me and I'm waiting for next week for my injection (no double dose).

Missing the shot this week did a number on me, I flipped out on anybody more than usual.

>>8154795
S/he likes boymode but doesn't have girlmode either and is capable of being girly.

>>8154798
Autoandrophilia. A sexual and romantic desire to be male caused by a heterosexual female sexual orientation being targeted at the self instead of at a partner. It's the cause of most FTM dysphoria.

>>8154798
It's discredited pseudoscience. I don't know why, but it's been revived on this board something fierce recently.

What I don't get about AAP is what it targets exactly. When I was a preteen I found out that any attraction I had for men was more that I desired to look like them. So I began cross dressing and eventually turned trans but I only like women sexually and romantically.

Is that AAP or do AAPs have an actual attraction to men?

>>8154791
ok. So, tight compression sports bra, if she wants a binder, go for it but dont where it when she works out. Can you recommend a style of binder she can wear for 8-9 hours? That's our work shifts. anything else she should be aware of? Like things to stay away from?

>>8154810
>Autoandrophilia. A sexual and romantic....
Well that sucks for her.

>>8154815
Self hate is easier then dealing with issues in your life? idk. Im not trained in this.

>>8154821
AAPs are yaoifags who take it to the next level.

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>>8154810
>It's the cause of most FTM dysphoria.
You have to go back

>>8154822
I don't know, I just think it's odd that Blanchard's bullshit has been latched onto so hard and fast around here and literally nowhere else.

>>8154822
Any binder will work for that time frame but I'd consider wearing a sports bra under the binder or bringing one with her just in case she finds it hard to breathe half way through the shift.

Besides that, let her know that unless you buy from a place that gives you exact measurements for the sizing, that the company is usually in China so always check for measurement lists or go for a size bigger than you usually wear if there is no measurements. If it's too small do not try to wear it for a long time, just try to return it and get a new one.

>>8154815
>>8154830
Sorry!

>>8154832
Other places use bans and peer pressure to suppress wrongtruths.

>>8154840
This is great! Thank you. I'm compiling the email now. ^_^ If anyone else has advice they want to throw on the pile, by all means send it over.

>>8154618
But I'm missing a dick and can't even get over that; it's like having a void that isn't filled, etc. now I'm just caught in my own mind

>>8154821
Could you enjoy sex with a man?

AAPs can get meta-attraction to women and that might become indistinguishable from regular attraction or exist alongside regularly gynephilia.

Having no sexual attraction to men is a bigger mystery. How do you distinguish between regular sexual attraction and your desire to look like them?

>>8154872
put a pickle down your pants

>>8154875
No men gross me out when it comes to sex. I don't find men attractive it's more of a .... pick of what I want for myself. Jealousy I guess.

>>8154888
Were you always attracted to women? Overall how masculine and feminine are you? As a child did other children and adults think you acted like a boy? How well do you get along with women and men and have your friends mostly been girls or boys? You sound HSTS, the minority kind of FTM who are normally straight, more than AAP.

>>8154916
Always attracted to women.
I'm a good medium of masc to fem but more masc.
Always been seen as a tomboy.
Get along better with men but I can get along with women but I'm shy with them.
Been friends with a mix. Better experience with male friends.
What's hsts?

>>8154926
Homosexual Transsexual, the other major type in Blanchard's dichotomy, which once again isn't used by most real mental health professionals these days and is just a meme on here for the most part.

>>8154926
Yeah, you're HSTS, not AAP. FTMs are fall into two groups, HSTS and AAP. AAP are the majority and are normally gay (or bi or ace). HSTS are the minority, are normally straight and are more masculine and stood out as children for being less girly. AAPs typically didn't but may be androgynous.

The cycling between girly and boymode anon mentioned >>8154775 in his friend are typical AAP. As an HSTS you probably do not relate to that in the least. An HSTS FTM would need to force himself to act feminine and would only do it under social pressure from his family.

The same divide applies to MTFs, with HSTS MTFs being clearly girly from childhood and into guys, and AGP (the MTF term of AAP) MTFs being lesbian and able to fit in as guys more and tending to repress. A repressing MTF is almost always AGP.

Think about trans people you know or stories from trans people online and you will see how they fall into these types.

>>8154939
Open your eyes.

>>8154950
You realize Blanchard only ever went on about MtFs? He doesn't even bother with FtMs.

Astrology nuts swear up and down that people fall into their star sign's personalities, but that doesn't mean it's real.

>>8154977
Let me know when you can predict someone's sexual orientation from their star signs and then we can compare the two with honesty.

>>8154950
>>8154979

Im that MtF who was looking for binder info for her friend. I disagree with your division between HSTS and AGP. I think you're mistaking correlation for causation and not paying enough attention to factors like resiliency and the availability of resources when looking to transition. Furthermore, I think you reconsider societal expectations around sexuality. We are trained to think of certain people as desirable regardless of our real feelings on the matter.

>>8149980
>husband goals

>>8155012
Sorry for misgendering you. I just assumed you were a cis guy.

Why would the correlation between orientation and everything else the typology says be true if not for causation? What's the connection between AGP in MTFs and AGP is cis guys AGP doesn't cause dysphoria?

The typology covers the effects of access to resources and cultural attitudes towards gay and trans people, for both types. What do you think it misses?

How do social expectations around sexuality come into it?

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>>8155030

>>8155041
>Sorry for misgendering you.
lol, all is forgiven. I got angry for like 2 minutes then I was like "oh. this is the internet. They cant see you."
>Why would the correlation between orientation.....
The danger im concerned about is that the typology of AGP/AAP vs. HSTS theorizes about where the dysphoira, or where the "transness" comes from. For example, how do we differentiate someone female bodied who imagines themselves as a man during masturbation because its a fetish from someone who does it because thinking about themselves as female during intimacy is mentally distressing?

>the typology covers the effects of access to resources.....
I dont think it does, or at least it hasn't whenever I've encountered it. The idea of repression as core to AGP/AAP typology seems to presume a kind of equal playing field when it comes to transtion. For some people the only way to be physically safe is to repress as much as possible. Furthermore people have different amounts of mental stamina. Where as one person can repress until 40, others can only maintain the mask until 18.

>How do social expectations around sexuality come into it?
From my experience society trains us how to act. That training stay's with us regardless of what we might want. In my case, I knew I was trans, and attracted to men, but I wanted to hide so I let myself be taken advantage of by a friend of a friend who was looking for post-breakup sex. By the time we actually got into bed I was confronted by the fact that I didn't want to have sex with her. I was willing to go through the motions to save face but I didnt want the sex. I wonder how many other trans people have done the same?

Sorry, for the ass long post.

>>8155041
>>8155138


Just to be clear, I think the AAP/AGP theory is on to something, but I dont think its accurate or helpful in its current form.

>>8154977

i've never met anyone who was really into astrology who thought one sign mattered... just saying... like someone who studied it instead of just believing horoscopes and shit i mean...

but they never guess signs right... 1 out of 12 chance they probably get it some of the time, but it doesn't happen... no one ever guesses mine even when they swear that kinda thing is obvious

>>8154979

supposedly you can... just saying, there's all kinds of shit in those

i used to let my ex go on about astrology cuz i thought her voice was cute, she'd get excited, and i fighred i didn't know shit about it anyway

she was obsessed with it and read charts and shit, read mine...

actually her ex freaked out cuz he found what she wrote about my chart and kept yelling about how she was gonna cheat with me cuz of it... that's when sneaking around to talk to me started... he wasn't wrong in the end, but it was funny at the time

i've known a lot of women who were into astrology and other occult shit... i think it's cute when women really believe in shit like fairies and whatnot... this is probably why i have shit luck with them in the long run, i find such stupid shit endearing...

>tfw started randomly worrying about Brooklyn last night at 2am
Maybe I hang around these threads too much

>>8155138
That's interesting to think about. Because although I've always been attracted to women, when I was going through puberty I always thought I had to be girly to fit in. But I did go through a phase of accepting my masculinity by cross dressing. But when I got into high school I repressed it all and became as girly as possible. Wearing wigs, make up, dresses, and trying to date men but still dated women. All the way up until my second year of college. Then I realized this isn't me and I was just wearing a mask. So decided I was trans. Since then I have realized any attraction I tried to have towards men was society telling me that I should like men.

But I would argue that children are growing up in a different time. Not much different, but people aren't pushing the heterosexual lifestyle as much as did when I was a kid. So I do think that some girls who obsess over gay culture and yaoi etc are conditioning themselves into gender dysphoria. Not that that makes them less trans than me, but it is a case I can see and should be studied as a cause of dysphoria. To which it should be labeled.

>>8155166

why would you be worried about me?

>>8155181
Same anon :

I'm starting to wonder if we actually want to find cures for this. Because researching reasons behind dysphoria is to find a cure right? But I'm sure a majority of us are happy with having the means to transition as a "cyre" but if there were a way to just give us a pill and fix our dysphoria, would we want that? Or is it just our dysphoria telling us that we wouldn't want a "fix all" to let us live as our birth sex?

>>8155224
I think that alot of people while feeling dysphoria would give alot to have a pill cure. I dont know why people are reserching it. Sometimes it feels like the only people looking into it besides trans people are folks with an big'ol agenda.

As a side note, its a fascinating area. Its like, here's this group of who acutely identifies with something they biologically aren't. Its crazy and we dont know what actually causes it.

>>8155252
I think GID has a lot to do with brain development and that's been studied a lot. Because ftm have a brain more similar to men than women. But how that happened is probably a nature vs nurture argument, as is most developmental issues. As for AAPs or whatever you want to call them, like I said I think they do that to themselves by indulging their life into gay culture. But there are obviously multiple or maybe infinite scenarios for different individuals.

For me, I'd say it probably has to do with growing up around only boys as a child. And while I'm sure my biology might play a role, my life growing up is most likely the main reason for my male brain development.

>>8155138
>I got angry for like 2 minutes
It was an even worse mistake than I thought...

>For example, how do we differentiate someone female bodied who imagines themselves as a man during masturbation because its a fetish from someone who does it because thinking about themselves as female during intimacy is mentally distressing?
It's important to know if there is a strict divide or if it's just a gradient of the same thing. That's one reason the typology deserves study.

>The idea of repression as core to AGP/AAP typology seems to presume a kind of equal playing field when it comes to transtion. For some people the only way to be physically safe is to repress as much as possible. Furthermore people have different amounts of mental stamina.
A*P and HSTS can both repress, but it's different for each of them. HSTS are GNC even when repressing for example. And A*P don't have to repress but if they do then regardless of mental stamina there are differences between them and HSTS repressors.

>By the time we actually got into bed I was confronted by the fact that I didn't want to have sex with her. I was willing to go through the motions to save face but I didnt want the sex. I wonder how many other trans people have done the same?
Probably lots, and lots of gay people too. But A*Ps often enjoy heterosexual sex and relationships even when it's contrary to the gender role they would prefer to have.

>>8155147
Which changes would it need to help people, in your opinion?

>>8155156
>but they never guess signs right... 1 out of 12 chance they probably get it some of the time, but it doesn't happen...
Totally unlike the typology.

>>8155394

i'm not sure what you mean... i'm a little high

>>8155181
>But when I got into high school I repressed it all and became as girly as possible. Wearing wigs, make up, dresses,
>Then I realized this isn't me and I was just wearing a mask.
A*P can enjoy presenting as their natal sex. It doesn't have to be a mask. But for HSTS, it's an act.

>So I do think that some girls who obsess over gay culture and yaoi etc are conditioning themselves into gender dysphoria.
The reason they can get into it is the AAP part of their sexuality. The gay culture and yaoi just lets them explore that part of their sexuality earlier. If they didn't, they could still end up dysphoric, just at a later age, because the underlying AAP is still there.

>>8155224
>Because researching reasons behind dysphoria is to find a cure right?
I don't think there is a single purpose behind the research. Each researcher has their own motives.

>but if there were a way to just give us a pill and fix our dysphoria, would we want that? Or is it just our dysphoria telling us that we wouldn't want a "fix all" to let us live as our birth sex?
The dysphoria isn't anything on its own. It's just a result of either A*P or HSTS.

Whether someone wants to change that is the same as whether someone wants to change any other part of who they are. Some people would change their sexuality if they could, others wouldn't.

My pee taste like sugar

>>>/fit/41168335
>>>/fit/41165721
>>>/fit/41157723

which one of you faggots is having fun?

So I do my T shot in the morning, in the thigh, and then head off to work. My job involves a lot of walking, lifting, pushing/pulling, etc. A couple hours in, the thigh muscle where I injected gets really sore, kinda like I pulled it but I know I didn't and it was the shot.
Is there anything I can do to mediate this or do I just have to deal with it? I know people sometimes inject in the stomach, but I just can't mentally do that.

>>8155041
Nyart, but while I find AAP/HSTS to be useful as far as understanding how you relate to your body and your transness, it is, like every other dichotomy, a false dichotomy. I tick boxes for both HSTS and AAP, and especially when many of the things we define as "A*P* is so completely arbitrary (Having a preference for standing/sitting while peeing is a matter of HSTS/A*P, and not of how you were raised or practicality? Really?) it becomes useless.

On top of that many gender-conforming transgender people use it to throw trans people who might not fit in the "I knew since I was six"/"I am so severely affected I'd rather die than be penetrated vaginally"/"I am a COMPLETELY NORMAL MAN and DEFINITELY NOT a ICKY QUEER LEFTIST" narrative, which muddles the definition further into becoming nothing more than a tool to discredit people who cannot/do not wish to be completely assimilated into a passing-for-cis, 100% stealth mode existance in a traditionalist society as "not really trans".

>>8155778
I've noticed this too, for me it goes away after a day or so. I started switching legs for shots and it helps a little.

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>>8156000
Also the shallow understanding most of this board has of the whole thing aka "A*P are fake trans and shouldn't transition" doesn't help.

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>>8156288
One more pic.

I think taking biotin helped but I dunno.

>>8156000
>it is, like every other dichotomy, a false dichotomy.
The sexes.

>when many of the things we define as "A*P* is so completely arbitrary (Having a preference for standing/sitting while peeing is a matter of HSTS/A*P, and not of how you were raised or practicality? Really?) it becomes useless.
If you can see how it's misused to throw out trans people, like you say in your next paragraph and >>8156301 , then you can understand how /lgbt/ often doesn't use it correctly.

The truth is HSTS tend to be less fond of their genitals and more masculine naturally. Not that practicality, how you were raised and other factors don't influence you.

Which boxes do you tick for both?

>>8156305
Ever screw around with minoxodil?

>>8156305
>>8156288
Majestic

I have masculine hobbies like hunting, lifting, and fishing but also feminine ones like crafts/scrapbooking. I am very dysphoric about my chest and hips (and voice when i was pre-t) but I've enjoyed PIV even though I get phantom penis sometimes. I'm bisexual and prefer men. I think gender is biological just like sex is, and some problem in the womb gave me a masculinized brain and a female body. Thus I have dysphoria.

Am I AAP?

>>8156386
Nope. I'm letting it grow natty but if it isn't full by 3 years on T I might try that.

>>8156426
>hunting

Go on /k/ ever?

>>8156426
As a rule HSTS are more likely to have hobbies of their transitioned sex and A*P of their natal sex or mixed. But just like cis people aren't totally conforming to their sex, that's not hard and fast.

Both can be very dysphoric. HSTS are almost always very dysphoric about their genitals. It's very unlikely an HSTS FTM would like being penetrated in his vagina or an HSTS MTF would like penetrating with her penis.

HSTS are almost always straight as their transitioned sex and A*P are almost always gay or bi (often with a preference for their transitioned sex) or ace.

So from the PIV and your bisexuality, you sound AAP. There's nothing wrong with it and it doesn't make you "less trans". It's just the kind of trans you are.

HSTS and A*P could both be caused by hormones in the womb, if that were the origin of transgenderism.

I want to impregnate a girl, for fuck's sake.

>>8156841
>ywn creampie a cute girl and hear her whine about how it's making a mess

>>8155658
I don't mind so much about them hating us and wanting us to commit suicide etc but its all the pseudo science armchair psychology no source made up bullshit that they spout as fact that pisses me off.
>they all get heart attacks and die before 30
>nobody can actually love a trans person
>every hospital stopped doing srs because it wasnt effective
>they should just take their birth hormones
>no trans person passes ever
>they just want attention/ society tells them to be men

>>8156841
i want to impregnate a ftm.

T. MTF

>>8156866
people who bring up John Hopkins hospitals old policy on srs make me so mad. You could Google it in 5 minutes and find out that they're doing it again.

>>8156920
These people actually source something rather than just shitting out their ass? Not going to hapen

>>8156904
Leave>>>>>>>>>>

>>8156841
I dont actually want to have a kid but this

>>8156866
It's a cycle, actually.

>one guy posts baity shit for replies, knows it's not true but no one will factcheck on 4chan
>ignorant anons believe it, after all no one factchecks
>anons repost it, believing it to be true

>>8157025
this is why you call bullshit and demand source on doubtful things.
t. mtf

>>8157043
I'd rather scroll past and be frustrated

>>8157043
i call bullshit
source?

>>8156986
Yeah, I don't really want to have kids at the moment but I'd really want to try and get a girl pregnant.

>>8156288
welcome to the neckbeard, my son.


....shave it.

At what point did you guys start using the men's restroom? I'm about to start hrt and I'm scared I'm going to be uncomfortable using the women's restroom after like a month of t. But don't guys find it weird when you go into the stall to pee? Or when someone sees you go in that thinks you look like a girl? Idk the social aspect has me freaked out and I think once I start t I might just swear off public restrooms.

>>8157304
when i started startling women in the public bathroom desu, although that was before i was officially 'out'.
Most guys just want to get in, do their business, and get the hell out, and if it's weird to piss in the stall, nobody's had the stones to confront me about it. I think more dudes are shy about that shit than most would think.

Or they just assume you're fucking around on your phone.

I should start travelling to major european cities more in the hopes I get killed in a terrorist attack.

Is it selfish to wish my family didn't accept me and wish I were dead so I could kill myself now without them hurting?

>>8158269
Lel. Sounds like someone's a gloomy gus

>>8155156
Tbh i read your posts with a high dude's voice

>>8157304
Where do you people live that you can't just use the bathroom at your home?
I never use public bathrooms because they are filthy and gross.

>>8155543
Anon you have diabetes

>>8149980
>>8155047
>ywn be masculine enough to dress like this ironically

>>8155543

Maybe someone swapped out your piss bottles for lemonade as a prank

>>8158859

You're probably dehydrated or unemployed if you never have to pee throughout the work day.

>>8158859
Most of the time I do but when I actually live the normie lifestyle with a friend of mine, I'm in the car a lot so we stop at a few places for restrooms.

>>8159202
Ouch

>>8149314
mmmmmh yes fuzzy ftms
too bad they're all stright
>tfw no fuzzy ftm to cook for and pole dance with
i'll make sure he gets high protein meals

>>8158288
Forever and always :)

>>8159416
Let's make a suicide pact

>>8158828

do you give them the right accent though? i probably do sound high a lot, i usually am... i'm high right now cuz i start early

>>8158859

depends on people's situations... work, going to bars and shit, sometimes you have to be out all day... public bathrooms are disgusting, and most people generally avoid them as much as possible, but not everyone is home enough to avoid them entirely

>>8158269

it's not selfish, it's the opposite really... only someone who isn't entirely selfish would wish that...

you just sound depressed and tired of life... it happens... but since that's not going to happen it's better to figure out how to deal with those feelings and try to move forward in spite of them...

easier said than done, but that's life

>tfw no ftm bf to strangle me until im dead

>>8158242

that's a pointless thing to worry about... people die in terrorist attacks sure, but the vast majority of people aren't gonna and don't die like that

you won't live forever anyway... not saying wait to travel, just saying don't be so paranoid

you can't guarantee you'll live through any given day anyway... may as well do whatever even if it can be risky

i know a chick who visits her family in the middle east somewhere... comes and goes for weddings and shit, she's had to go into bomb shelters and shit during trips but she's alive... your odds will likely always be good enough unless things get crazy on a massive scale in which case you wouldn't be leaving the country anyway probably...

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>>8159464

Hi boys. I'm a cis woman but I'm going to try living as a man temporarily. I'm not going to take T so I was hoping to get some tips on passing.
The one thing I have going for me is an androgynous face, so I think with some light makeup my face will pass easily. I have small boobs so binding shouldn't be very hard.
I think the hardest thing to overcome will be my body shape and size. I'm 5'3 with narrow shoulders. So any tips on getting a more masculine silhouette or increasing height are appreciated. I'm going to have to wear long pants and long sleeves all the time because I have a lot of tattoos, most of which are feminine, so maybe that will make it easier to conceal my body shape.
Also I need to work on my voice. It's not super high pitched, but it's generally very soft and I think the inflections would sound really strange coming from a man, so that's another thing I'll have to work on.
And then there's mannerisms. I'm not sure what I need to change yet, but I know I'll probably have to walk differently. Anything else you guys could recommend would be really helpful.

>>8159494
1. Ok but why
2. Get a binder, sew a pair of shoulderpads onto it.
3. No skinny jeans. Not ever.
4. If you want bulk, make sure your shirts fit to your size, and then go oversized with jackets, open hoodies, etc.
4. Drop your waist and groin; natal men have a longer torso. Your "waist" should be at your hips and your "crotch" should be about a fist below your natural crotch.
5. Take up physical space. If you cross your legs, one akle on the opposite knee. If you stand, wide stance, no resting yor weight on one foot. When you walk, don't do the tightrope walk most women so. When your weight shifts, put it in your chest and shoulders rather than your hips. Chest out and shoulders back.
6. Trim your nails.
7. No make up. Maybe add some darkness/thickness to your brows, but unless you're superbly skilled, people can tell when you're wearing make up.

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>>8159494
What's your deal why are you trying to do this?

>>8157304
I started using the men's room when I figured out what was up when I was 13 or so. Maybe not the best decision, but guys typically don't notice/try not to look at people in the bathroom so you're good by virtue of that alone.

>>8159520
Thanks anon, that should be really helpful.
>>8159521
It's an experiment. Like Norah Vincent. I'm fascinated by human gender and sexuality.

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>>8159535
You sound like a special snowflake piece-of-work but sure, okay. If you have a high bf% you'll probably have a harder time because not only does fat distribute in the female pattern (around thighs, hips, tits) but ups estrogen naturally.

Before I got on T I used to wear Dickie's work shirts like pic related and used to pass pretty decent in them, course I looked like a 14 year old kid working at his Dad's garage but that's one of the top tiers of pre-T passing.

>>8159546
I'm not snowflakey at all, I'm cis... I don't think my body fat percentage is too high, but I don't know for sure.
Thanks for the tip but that's kind of weird looking. Maybe I'll try some normal button down shirts.

>>8159558
Are you committing to this or not, mate? You're not going to pass if you're picking and choosing advice you get, especially because it's hard enough for a lot of folks here to pass while putting full time, money and effort in.

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What hobbies do you have?

>>8159873
Screwing around in the woods
Lifting

>>8159873
Eating bagels

>>8159873
>fishing
>dog training
>hiking (florida hiking is very flat but i still like it)
>cooking
>vidya (acnl, Pokemon, minecraft, mario)
>arts and crafts (perler beads, scrapbooks, soapmaking)
>bodyweight fitness

>>8159959
jew

>>8159873

music (guitar/singing mostly), gardening, wandering around (just to be outside or to find wild plants or take pictures of shit), taking pictures of shit, reading, writing, drugs... bunch of shit, but mostly those things...

How do you deal with/reduce sweating in summer while wearing a binder? It's making me miserable and the hot weather has only just begun.

>>8160219
I've just lived with it. Summer comes, as does sweating like a moose. Though this year is going to be worse because my antidepressants make me sweat already. Need to find some industrial grade deodorant.

4 mo on T

I feel like I'm going from something familiar but wrong to something unfamiliar but right. I hate puberty

>>8160219
move to a colder climate

>>8160418

>>8160418

>>8160418