/femgen/ - Feminine male (male) general

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>>7920179

>height, and aging make it hard.
Is there really someone who can explain why the height does affect being feminine or masculinity?

>>7920233
No. It's self explanatory

>>7920233
Men on average are taller and women on average are shorter. This makes height consciously and subconsciously associated with each gender accordingly

Why did you make a new thread, you tard?

If you aren't a trap you aren't a femboy.

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If you don't want to be called trannies, why do you keep posting a tranny as the OP?

>>7920579
Because most of us don't actually care and just want to be cute.

>>7920579
That was when he was still a boy, before he went full tranny, and he was better looking that way.

>>7920579
I think the point is that going tranny is a dum idea because he looked better as a guy, so thats what we remember him as.

What body changes can I expect going on ralox/bica?

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>>7920919

>>7920982
Poll for people on raloxifene:
https://www.strawpoll.me/12532383

Theoretically if I kept lifting on ralox/bica would that mess up the feminizing effects of it or would I be getting the best of both worlds

>>7921139
Can I look like this please?

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>>7920793
>>7920836
Point is that even as a boy she was a closeted tranny. Are you all closeted trannies like she was? That's the message you're sending across.

>>7921263
Some femboys are closeted trannys, but not all of them are

>>7921263
>Are you all closeted trannies like she was?
Yes, femboys are HSTS trans women.

>>7921323
stop saying HSTS

>>7921326
Why? Because HS = homosexual? Sorry if that offended you. It's referring to your natal sex. I know it's archaic.

>>7921347
It's archaic, disputed, and confusing. It doesn't belong in our lexicon. Just let it go.

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/femgen/ = closeted tranny general from now on.

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>>7921367
>tumblr

>>7921351
>disputed
Like femboys being cis?

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>>7920183
Hmm well it sounds easy I'm USA but the closest ic clinic is two hours away :/ I may be leaving to move to another state still in the south but how's sc for informed consent is it better or worse I really don't want to spend hours on a therapist office making shit up.

>>7921139
Now I want to look like link yet again if I ever get ffs imma do this cosplay.

>>7921347
That's what it means lol why are we even using this blanchardian terminology is that dude even relevant to psychology anymore?

>>7921420
no

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>>7921416
Tumblr has a really good selection of Andrej pics.

But you only avoid it because you're an edgelord. )-:

>>7921263
No, it isn't, you're just trying to force this meme because you're a repulsive tranny that gets off to convincing others into transitioning. Thank you for fueling my bigotry. At the end of the day he was a boy before he chopped his dick off. He's nothing more than a fallen icon now.
Why'd you take your trip off? To avoid the filter?

>>7921367
End your own life, hon.

>>7921954
hormones are the new leg shaving
we used to shave our legs to be cute
now we pop them moans

>>7921126
You would have muscles if you lift, but I do not see how having muscles would affect anything else.

>>7921126
>>7922299

Bicalutamide destroys your muscles. Why are people spreading that it does not?

Spreading false information, especially medical information is not a good thing to do.

>>7922313
does it nuke them like estrogen would?

>>7922329

Yes, Bicalutamide stop testosterone from binding. Taken by itself it will usually cause Testosterone to spike and go through aromatase, which converts testosterone into estradiol. Meaning you're going to lose muscle and get boobs no matter what. Adding Raloxifene only helps kill your muscles even further and acts in the same way that estrogen does.

This meme that bicalutamide and raloxifene are a free lunch needs to end. Yes, it can help lower your breast growth but it's still not really tested and you're basically taking estrogen and an antiandrogen. Your muscles will melt.

>>7922343
Huh, neat. I'll still probably go on it. I'll keep lifting cuz I want a big muscular, but feminine ass

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is he /ourguy/?

>>7922388
Of courshe

>>7922388
I'd lick his tummy.

Dear trannies; keep your faggot acronyms out of our general

>>7922426
t. butthurt AGP

>>7922388
I want to be /fit/ and /fem/ like Link

>>7922443
I'm a femboy and your acronyms are garbage, keep them in your shit threads you fucking dunce :^)

>>7922426
what are you talking about
give examples

>>7922229
Nah, speak for yourself, I like being a boy. I'll stick to staying out of the uncanny valley tyvm. The lack of body hair is tempting, but I'd much prefer to have a working dick, a libido, and no heart complications/cancer. The muscle loss doesn't seem great either, and my fat already distributes to my ass so Jew skittles will probably make it waaay too big.
Depilatory > shaving

>>7922368
>I'll keep lifting cuz I want a big muscular, but feminine ass
You're not heeding his words, anon. Not only will lifting be a lot harder, but you'll have a hard time building muscle. Idk to what degree but your attempts may be futile.

most femboys are HSTS transexuals who refuse to give up their gay male privilege.

the straight femboys are all transbians who tricked straight transgirls into being agp.

>>7922738
Do bisexuals have an acronym? Why would we want to give up gay male privilege to fit in to these made up categories when we don't agree with them in the first place? I'm content with being with men who identify as gay and see me as a male. To fit rid of that and identify as a httxlspps trans would be a downgrade in my overall quality of life

>>7922738
No such thing as gay male privilege.

Straight transgirls can't turn agp.

>>7922754
>you tranny
pot, kettle

>>7922797
Lmao what authority do you have to make all these claims about people's sexuality? It's fucking ridiculous how you fling this shit around like an expert when these aren't even hard science terms.
Watch you'll respond with memes too. You can't physically accept that no one is obligated to take these periphery terms seriously.

>>7922825
You haven't said anything for me to respond to? Of course you aren't obligated to understand these things.

>>7922846
Good then just read. You aren't a clinical psychiatrist, stop with the unwanted and unasked for armchair diagnosis using outdated bunk terminology faggot

>>7922793
Bisexuals are agp too.

>>7922859
>outdated bunk
What authority do you have to choose what's true?

>>7922873
Im not the one choosing. You are. these terms are not medically recognized, but merely some theories brought forth by a few individuals. You're using them as if they were real.

>>7922883
They are real! Sorry!

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So someone in the last thread asked about why Bica 'does so well at destroying body hair'. At what month or whatever should I begin seeing this? I'm a month of Bica+Ralox here.

And what is so good about it exactly? I know it stops T from hitting the receptor but in terms of body hair is that really any better than simply lowering your testosterone to such a minimal amount that Cypro/Spiro does?

>>7922887
Sounds like hard science to me! Not.

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Honestly, /femgen/ is supposed to be about cute BOYS who appear young and slightly feminine, because at a young age girls and boys share a lot of features like soft face, hairlessness etc.
Andrej Pejić is not cute.
He is very attractive and everything but not as a boy. He looks like a pretty young woman. Is this honestly what /femgen/ is all about? I hope not.
Focus more on the 'boy' part and less on the 'fem' (female) and you'll be doing good for this place. You too can make a change.

Make /femgen/ great again!

>>7923374
this
people need to stop idolizing andreja

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>>7923374
>cute boys
It's "fem"gen, feminine boys. If it was about cute boys it'd be cute boys, but society has a general view of that cute is feminine. You may think that cute boys have to have a boyish charm to them and that's fine, but this general is really split right down the middle that it's almost like you can't really define what we are.

Some are Trans in denial.
Some want to be cute and effeminate and look to hormones to give them this.
Some hormone users are okay with tits.
Some hormone users don't want tits at all.
Some are blessed naturally and need neither but are super cute.
Some think the moment you take hormones you're a Trans, even though things like taking Bica by itself doesn't make you a Trans, especially when you don't identify as them.

What people constitute as cute, twink, boyish, femboy-- really seems to vary to a considerable degree that the consensus is pretty inaccurate. I've whored myself out and I've gotten every spectrum possible on how I look (Average Guy; Undefined; Twink; Femboy-like) despite showing the same picture each time.

I know you want to MAGA the thread to "the good times" or have the general be about what you consider cute but I think it's just simply evolved and/or attracted different types of people. Whether it's good or not is entirely up to you, you can try steer the thread by contributing discussion on what's "femboy" to you (As you're doing now) but it'll take a lot of dedication and more than a single post, especially with the whole "MAGA MAGA" attached which kind of (To me at least) just makes you look a bit like that incessant whiner about how "trannies pls leave" every 6 posts which does nothing to actually help shape anyone's opinion and guide or persuade them. Literally cut the last sentence out and I can get behind your post, but at what point is it simply we don't belong in this thread anymore? That the environment "evolved" and we didn't, and need to relocate.

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>>7923462
But Andreja isn't a feminine boy. Even pre-hormones, she was presenting as a woman.

Pick a new idol /ctg/.

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>>7923472
I'm just playing a bit of devil's avocado at this point honestly. I don't actually know a damn thing about this Andreja person but I see him/her posted around a bit.

I feel like there's merits to both sides, like how an Anon says "We're idolizing a fallen hero" sort of thing, but even if before Hormones or transitions they were Trans, I think it's disregarded because it's the physical aspects in which we desire. We're all shallow people who want to be cute physically and that's what we're all here to cry about.

Plus there's no saying if it's one Anon trying to push their taste onto others as well. I can see the 'femboy' merits of this Andeja person but every picture I see of the person just makes me not want to be that as my end result because s/he has resting bitch face and masculine jaw and stuff that honestly makes me think they're gonna leap out of the picture and stab me, it's a psychotic look and I don't think that to be very femme at all.

Even if you remove this person and then count that Asian one who was in the OP many many threads ago, that person still looked incredibly female, and IIRC they were crossdressing, but weren't Trans. But people would complain because the person just looked pretty much female.
I don't think that there's a particular "idol" for us that would suit everyone's taste because our spectrum is very wonky, balancing on "more feminine than not", "equally feminine and masculine" and "some feminine but still boyishly cute" that we're divided by.

Gaygen wants masculine.
MTFG wants absolute feminine.
Lesgen I don't know.
AGPGen is absolute feminine.
Femgen is a clusterfuck of all that.

I feel like we're just doomed from the beginning.
A lot of us could probably benefit from migrating to a /TwinkGen/ type thread but no one ever cares for those since it's in little demand.

>>7923472
I mean, he still looks like a guy, soo....

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>>7923499
If you have any respect for her as a person, you should use she pronouns instead of being a shallow pig. That's not very femme of you.

>>7923488
Somebody like Frank Wolf is probably more your style. Be careful looking for femboys on Instagram and Tumblr as 90% of them are cis girls pretending to be boys.

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>>7923512
Also Chris Dakota. I'm surprised he's not popular around here.

>>7923472
>tfw strashko a tranny too
whyyyyy

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>>7923512
May Frank Wolf Rest In RIP.

I like Frank Wolf's naturally look but in that picture he really cosplays to basically be a woman and that crosses a line for me personally.

I don't know who this person is in the image I'm posting, he was on /b/ a week or two ago and he's probably the standard I roughly hold myself to as my end-result, except you'll probably have people say he just looks like a twink here still.

There's no "idol for the thread", is what I mean. This Andreja person is like that Mexican guy holding up the chair, as "ourguy???"

This thread is very prone to shitposting which disappoints me a little since when I first started coming here I never saw any. It's only begun recently, but maybe I just arrived at a good time.

>>7920793
>>7920836
can you imagine waking up from a dream of your boy life, and forgetting that you are a tranny,
only to realise that are no longer a guy

>>7923524
if stav does voice training and started growing tits, then i might consider stav a tranny
but in the teen elle interview, stav seemed like typical tumblr gender queer

If I'm 25 should I just basically give up on trying HRT? I'm kind of feminine already, although I couldn't really pass without some additional effort (exercise, makeup)

if it makes a difference I hit puberty like 2 years late or something like that

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>>7922388
How to get /fit/ like link?

>>7922426
Seriously what are these acronyms anyways I sleep with guys I want them to refer to me as a boy or trap or whatever and bisexuals are completely disregarded.

>>7924684
Hormones are such a ymv thing I started at 24 then was off for one year and I had significant changes. Bone structure and genetics either make you or break you with hrt so easiest thing post here or discord and you may get a good opinion on what to expect.

>>7924815
they're out there but this is like one of the rarest things to find so good luck!

>>7924815
i'm a femboy with a masculine personality that enjoys topping but i don't like feminine personalities

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>>7924815
I liked topping masc guys before I got my boipussy stuffed for the first time now imma sub and enjoy power bottoming. I'd top but I don't last long and most guys when they see how fem I am throw me on the bed and fuck me super hard such is the life of one who hooks up at clubs lol. So I'm kinda versatile I guess.

>>7924823
Yee a boy can dream

>>7924917
I almosy feel like this is the complete opposite of what i asked for. That being said a cute top cumming in my hot muscular ass prematurely and feeling shitty about it would be cute. Id make you lick your mess from my masc bum.

>>7924828
I have a mix of them really. I try to be masc but it always fails.

how long does it take for spiro to do anything?

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>>7923462
This is a femboy
everything else is a twink or a tranny

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>>7924969
You posted 2D, 2D is perfect and not applicable to reality... Sadly.
Maybe one day we'll reach into 2D Realms Anon. One day.

>>7924948
It's hard to gauge and depends on what you mean about anything? Um libido loss took 3 months no bones about the same time hair loss never happened, body changes only happened with estrogen but many are steering clear of that for good reason it can nerf cum production with spiro combined it did for me plus estrogen can equal bewbz.

>>7924926
I'm a terrible match x3 hormones destroyed any possible way of cumming I kinda miss it any boys know the struggle.

>>7925052
>x3

Its that one super hot boy responding yesss

>>7924969
What doujinshi?

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>>7925023
anon pls

guys, I want to fast for like two weeks and run and do cardio so I can get as slim as possible. any tips? feeling really self conscious.

>>7925052
like how llong does it take for testosterone and everything to drop?
I just wanna lose some muscle quickly, I don't want any of the other effects

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>>7920233
>>7920307
>>7920311

>Almost all threads regard Andreja Pejić as the ideal feminine man
>But ironically they do not even know her height
>And they are still sticking to being tall with masculinity

>>7925079
It takes in my experience a month or so but it's a ymv are you doing any test or been to an endo?

>>7925058
I dunno about hot lol but I do use emotes a lot ;3 more than likely you have me confused with another boy.

>>7925158
>>>/b/

disgusting fucking furfag

>>7925067
I mean starving yourself is a great way to lose muscle really quick, but I'd recommend just going down to 500calories a day, but be careful, when you start eating again go slowly into it because your starvation response will be activated and your metabolism will be messed up. If you start eating normally right away, your body will hold onto all of your fat and you may end up looking worse than when you started

>>7925052
I know your struggle. Although it's kinda nice not to have to clean up after yourself, so there's that.

If we're demodding trans women, why is Ghost still mod? Is it because she is in a transbian relationship with the owner?

>>7925286
Based ghostie sleeping with the big guy in charge politikkking "him"self to the top of the social ladder.


Goat

>>7925286
>ghost
>not sara

>>7925286
>>7925293

Isn't Ghost also the only person who ever posts pictures in female attire? Or in lingerie? I'm pretty sure I saw Ghost identify themselves as female in the Facebook group trap heaven/hell.

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>>7925247
True and the added bonus of not having boners every five seconds and wearing sweaters to cover that up. But I was hoping my orgasms wouldn't go completely away but then again I haven't had sex in almost two years now since hormones.

>>7925023
I think yohio should be our new femgen idol. Or link but he's 2-d x3

>>7925286
Why demod people just because they identify as women? That doesn't have to mean any real difference. It's just what you call yourself.

>>7925330
They could use female pronouns some times and male pronouns other times. Who cares?

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>>7925067
Be super careful with fasting if so do like a juice or smoothie I tried not eating for four days and ended up getting super exhausted depressed and only lost 3 lbs not worth it imo.

>>7925316

Wait, Ghost is dating Sara too? I thought she was just dating, Ethan.

>>7925393
ghost and ethan are dating, but sara is not involved. i'm just saying there's an actual trans mod so why target them

>>7925405

Hhe is the most visibly open about her girl shenanigans than Sara. When's the last time anyone in femgen posted themselves in a dress?

WHHY can't boys wear dresses????

>>7925473

Because a estrogen boy with long hair just looks like transgirl. Their is no difference.

>>7925473
Female privilege and misandry. See >>7875443

>>7925493
the difference is that it's a boy
>>7925351
>>7925351
>>7925351

>>7925503

thats not a estrogen boy

>>7925516
so?? normal boys can wear dresses too

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>>7925067
Pretty much as >>7925209 says.
I was 70kg back in December and now I'm 62.4KG. I'm aiming for about 56KG.

You shouldn't lose anymore than like, 5 pounds I think it is? A month. I don't know Freedom Units or whatever, but I try keep it at 0.5KG...

... Yet I've lost like 7kg in 3 months and I mean, it's showing a little, but it's seriously not helping.

I've just found a routine and I've kinda just stuck to it, and not realised alongside my fast metabolism (I would be a lot, lot fatter if it wasn't for my metabolism) just how crazy fast I'd be losing.

The average daily calorie is 1900 for my weight of maintaining, but 950 which is pretty much half, sometimes a bit less, and every online calculator I did for it was basically saying like "This shit is dangerous, we're not giving you results. Go see a doctor jesus christ"

Thing is now I'm stuck in this routine, I just try balance it out a little sometimes by stuffing my face with a pizza once every few weeks or whatever.

>>7925209
the only reason to lose slowly is to preserve muscle

>>7925591
Which is why I said that they can drop to like 500 calories a day minimum, ideally I'd say 800 though 1) if they completely cut off their food they are going to experience a serious congnitive decline 2) 0 calories is hard to sustain with exercise 3) 0 calorie intake will fuck with skin, nails and hair and this is femgen therefore I am of the understanding that everyone here wants to be/stay pretty 4) the want to lose weight/muscle but I don't want them to gain a ton of weight after the fact and they end up looking like Chris-chan

>>7920233
Because men are supposed to be protectors and hunters.

Being tall = sign of dominance that scares other animals into submission tbqh.

>>7925524

Thats the point. One who is taking female replacement hormone therapy, is no longer man when he wears dresses.

>>7925704
>chromosomes don't define gender!
>popping pills do!
You've actually managed to be more retarded than cissies.

Daily reminder that if ur above 5'7, ur not a RealFemboy(tm).

>>7925759
tfw 5'8 female

>>7925776
tfw 5'8 male

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wore make up for first time today lads, made a right fucking mess of it, somehow look worse with it on

>tfw no fem boy
>tfw no fem face
>tfw never be fem

welp guess i'll just a be regular duderino

>>7925806
Nobody deserves dysphoria.

tfw 17.7" shoulders ;_______;

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>>7925473
They can these identity politics are getting monotonous can't we talk about something else rather than tear our already tiny user base apart. Wearing a dress everyday could be sketchy tho that's kinda more towards the trans side but who cares as long as they're not shitting people the threads it doesn't really matter.

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>>7925700

You did not even believe it when you made it up your ass?Right?

>>7925860
Meant shitting up the thread

omg I hate this phone

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>>7925473
It takes a special kind of person to be able to pull it off and not look stupid. I'm surprised this guy actually kinda made it look reasonable

>>7924684
>I'm kind of feminine already, although I couldn't really pass without some additional effort
If you're worried about "passing" go to >>mtfg

>>7925836
but how tall?

>>7925862
But it's truuuu

Tallness exudes dominance and assertiveness

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>tfw everyone here bases themselves on anime characters and like two models

jesus guys talk about unrealistic expectations

>>7925988
They base themselves on being little bitches.

Truth be told they do a good job because they are all little bitches.

what are your (femboys) opinions on short people who want to fuck you?
i'm 5'7" and i'm thinking i should give up on trying to be a top because i'm shorter than everyone in existance

>>7926006
As long as you are dominant and not ugly, I don't mind tbqh.

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>>7925971

>Fully associating something that is related to genes with masculinity and dominance
>To insist on the evolutionary basis of this not even real
I do not understand how you can be so ridiculous

>>7926022
manlets, when will they learn

>>7926006
I'm 5'10, my ex was a few inches shorter than me although I can't say exactly tall. Small height differences don't really matter much when you're laying down, so yes I was fine with it.

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>>7925988
It's amazing to see intelligent people at /lgbt/

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>>7926020
>>7926030
they all talk this way, until we meet and they look at me from above

>>7925796
>>7925776
Tfw 6'2" male

>>7926022
Google it, nerd. Every scientific article there is equates tallness with manliness.

>>7926063
what does that even mean

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>>7926006
You can use a stool to reach my butt not even lying I had a a femboi top bf who had to do that cuddling with him was fun.
Oh he also fell off once that was really funny.

fembois are uglier than trannies.

Debate me

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>>7926006
Is there really a connection between being on top and being tall

Surprisingly, most of the men I passed under them were much more shorter than me.Obviously we did not have a problem with that

>>7926030
Doggy style it does but missionary and reverse cowgirl fix that.

>taking harmful chemicals to look like a caricature of a jewish enforced model of feminity
> not realizing that feminitu comes from the inside and not putting harmful chemicals in you

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>>7926005
>>7926047

don't even get me started on how they dress as to what they think 'femboys' should look like. It's a page straight out of the "tee hee i'm so girly xD" handbook

If you want to actually look more feminine, look at what modern women look like, not some mid 2000s emo fan. You just look like camp scene kids, not 'fem' at all

>>7926115
I can't tell if fembois were boys who got beat too much by daddy and realized they liked it or didn't get beaten enough. Im convinced they are all sociopaths who need therapy.

>>7926115
Why would you want to look like a modern woman eww. I just wear what's comfy please tell me I'm not alone in this modern women dress like trash lol.

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>>7926071
>Google it, nerd. Every scientific article there is equates tallness with manliness.
Oh really?
Seriously, I wonder which idiotic scientist can write articles between height and masculinity

>>7926115
Too be fair the modern woman is nothing more than a slut.

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>>7926163
Unfortunately, anon is completely right

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>>7926160
>anime
>thinks he knows more than actual scientists with diplomas and shit

>>7926218
Not the person you are arguing with but could you cite a source or 2 that backs that claim?

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>>7926218
>Defend the short and skinny boys against the human anatomy in the anime
>When the reverse corner triggers the most irrelevant thing to justify the time

I have not even watched anime in my life and I have enough knowledge to call myself an amateur anthropologist, are you?

>>7926262
>amatuer anthropologist


Staring at people at the mall is not anthropology.

>>7926283
>Staring at people at the mall is not anthropology.
it's called applied anthropology, anon :^)

>>7926327
stare at this *whips cock out*

I stared at anon's >>7926218 dick, does that make me a microbiologist?

>>7926336
wow!
where is it? :^)

Ive learned today that only ugly people want relationships. They try to trap hotties like myself into their feelings shit.


>>7926366
grrrrr

>>7926361
OH SNAP!

femgen's on fire tonight

>>7925806
Of course it looked like shit if it's the first time you've done makeup. Like anything else, you need to study and practice.

>>7926088
not an argument

>>7926449
>w-were not ugly you just have different taste

>>7926458
my dick in your ass

>>7926465
jokes on you im gay

So should I lose weight first and then try exercising or exercise as I lose weight?
It seems that exercising while I lose weight takes much more time (and causes me to eat more).

>>7926542
just start exercising and eating right and stop overthinking it.
it is not something that happens over night.
you have to make a lifestyle change.

Who here has had laser hair removal or used an at home laser removal product. I really wanna kill da beard but don't know the best way to go about it also how bad does it hurt?

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>>7926908
I have a consultation booked for tomorrow, and I plan to get it done ASAP to destroy my beard hair.
I fucking hate having a beard and even if I shave I get 5 o'clock shadow so I can't wait to burn it all off.

I think the best way honestly is just quite literally ring up a local laser hair clinic and then look for consultation, that's what they do where I am. They want to access your skin and hair and ensure that you're right for it (If you have light hairs, or dark skin, you may not be able to do it), dunno if it's free where you are but mine is. They're currently having a 50% off for me too.
Biggest thing to keep in mind for laser hair clinics is that some seem to be 'package' bundles, as in you *can* just buy a single time, but you'd be foolish not to pay the extra and get like

Handheld "home" devices are very, very much a hit and miss. You'd honestly be better off going to a laser removal clinic where they have thousands, and thousands and thousands of dollars worth of equipment to sear that shit off as though it was a rocket engine used by NASA itself.

>Does it hurt?
I can't tell you, but you will generally get a day of irritation. They use heat settings so it'll be hot, but the hotter the more effective so it's likely best you endure the pain since you said "I really wanna kill da beard", so honestly, suck it up and burn your face off. Imagine how smooth you'll be in the face and how you wont have to shave there for a month or more (And then within 6~12 months, never again)

>>7926542
Depends, what are your goals? What's your current weight and what's your goal weight? What is your current body shape and what would you like it to be? Are you on any feminizing meds or will you be in the near future?

>>7926908
Depends how thick your beard is, the thicker the more it hurts. Thats why it gets progressively less painful after each treatment.

>>7927044
jinx

Anybody on who is or has done hrt before? I've read the pastebin and i have a million questions.

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>>7927091
No, it's never been touched.

>>7927106
i just meant if anyone was around to answer some questions.

>>7927120
Ask your questions, maybe you'll get a response from someone feeling nice enough to oblige you

>>7927120
Femgen isn't exactly a very fast thread, at least until there's a few Anon's shitposting each other in a row back and forth.

Ask what you want, and then if it doesn't get answered in 12 hours, reply to your post again and ask again.

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>>7927149
>>7927157
well, the pastebin mentioned that taking estrogen will likely result in breast growth and sterility, even on bicalutamide. What about muscle loss? Will the bicalutamide still prevent it?
Also, for how long do people generally remain on the treatments?
Lastly, what effects of the treatments will reverse when people stop hrt, and which ones are permanent?

>>7927186
So once you start growing boobs, as long as they are small they can reduce in size if you stop, but it's doubtful. Some people get breast growth almost instantaneously others not so much. You'll be sterile at around the 3-6 month mark. Fat redistribution, same as breast growth, can start happening fairly quickly for some, but you can go back to a normal male shape if you stop estrogen.

TL;DR If you grow boobs they probably won't go away and you might be sterile after a couple of months

>>7927249
Groovy.
Now, I've read that it is wise to get bloodwork done frequently to make sure you arn't doing any serious damage to yourself. How do people who aren't transitioning go about getting that done, if at all?

>>7927186
>well, the pastebin mentioned that taking estrogen will likely result in breast growth and sterility, even on bicalutamide.
Bicalutamide (and any other antiandrogen) carries with it a risk of breast growth and sterility. Even without taking estradiol, your body's natural estrogen can cause breast growth when on antiandrogens. However, it won't be as much as if you were taking estadiol.
>What about muscle loss? Will the bicalutamide still prevent it?
Bicalutamide (and any other antiandrogen) will cause muscle loss, not prevent it.
>Also, for how long do people generally remain on the treatments?
People generally remain on the treatments indefinitely.
>Lastly, what effects of the treatments will reverse when people stop hrt, and which ones are permanent?
If you stop HRT, most effects will reverse, with a couple notable exceptions:
1. If you have had significant breast growth, it won't go away.
2. You may or may not be sterile for life.
3. Your friends and family will forever consider you a degenerate.
There are probably other effects that remain that I'm forgetting right now.

>>7927268
Either go to your doctor to get blood work done, or there are some walk in clinics you can go to and ask about. This is what I've heard, Idk though since I'm not on it

>>7927268
Yes, but if you're on things like Bica you'll specifically need Liver tests.
...
Basically just ask for a blood test and to test your liver and it's done in the same. A standard hormone test should cover liver shit, and it'll be like 5 or 6 vials usually taken from you.

>Done frequently
Every month at least.

The way in which I do it is that I go to a "gender diverse" clinic, not specifically an Trans clinic because you want one that basically screams Tumblr snowflake syndrome because they'll be accepting of whatever nonsense you can talk to them about. Transitioning =/= Taking Hormones.

>>7927284
>What about muscle loss? Will the bicalutamide still prevent it?
>Bicalutamide (and any other antiandrogen) will cause muscle loss, not prevent it.

This actually has me questioning too since I've been curious about it. In losing muscle, do you lose an overall 'thickness' to your build?
My upper arms are kind of thick, and if it's not fat it'd be muscle right?
Just wondering of "losing muscle" is synonomous (?) with 'getting a thinner build', in that I mean you could potentially go from a thicker build, to a thinner build because muscle, similar to fat, makes you thicc.

>>7927349
Losing muscle won't necessarily make you look thinner. For example, lack of abdominal muscles gives you bad posture and makes your belly stick out. You don't have to go crazy with fitness or anything, but it's good to maintain _some_ muscle.

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here's what 4 months of cypro (and E) has done to my legs

that isn't a before/after, thats what my left leg looks like right now...all the hair has fallen off of the outer half. the part that looks like hair is sticking off is coming from the hairy side

I know its pretty gross looking, but I just find it really fascinating that this is happening. I haven't shaved my legs in at least 3 years before this. something similar is happening on my arms, but its not nearly as dramatic as this

>>7927369
Fair enough, I'm guessing what I have is just mostly fat or a thicc build so I wont ever be a stick figure praying mantis like I always wanted.

Oh well.

>>7927405
Damn anon I wish my body hair reacted like that, I'm really jealous. I still have to shave mine alot and I've been on cypro since October, and Spiro for a year before then

So what do you guy's like in a guy? Asking for a friend

>>7927458
I shouldn't say ALL the hair is gone, I'd still have to shave it for it to be totally smooth
its just a really significant reduction

>>7927405
Why is it always the hairiest beasts who want to become women?

>tfw my legs have less hair than that and I'm a cis male

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why havent you switched to estrogen femgen?

>>7927538
yeah it was pretty terrible pre-hrt (mostly only on my legs)
also I don't want to become a woman, that isn't the goal here

>>7927547
Damn that leg's hairy af, dog.

>>7927538
I do injections
why does he work the needle in and out like that? im cringing just watching it

>>7927604
meh they are all blonde. no gross stubble ever.

If I was sleeping with someone, maybe id shave them. still more fem than u.

>>7927619
I was about to hit a nerve. It doesn't actually feel like anything. That injection was kinda butchered as far as the angle anyways.

>>7927547
it was difficult to watch, but i'm glad i did
can you show us your body?
how old are you, for how long have you been doing this

>>7927604
fair body hair is a-ok

>>7927632
>It doesn't actually feel like anything
wtf size needle are you using
cause I've never NOT felt something...I can feel it going into the skin, then going into the muscle

I really hate doing the injections honestly but I guess they're getting easier and you gotta do what you gotta do..

>>7927651
>fair body hair is a-ok

looks like they're wearing wool leggings tbqh

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>>7927685

>>7925209
>>7925656
if you eat 500 or 800 or whatever kcal a day you'll suffer and fuck up your metabolism, eat 1000 or 1600 or whatever kcal every other day instead

>>7926115
>look at what modern women look like
femboys are NOT trannies tyvm <3

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Am I cute femgen

>>7927752
i donno about fem(((boy))) but you are cute

Is bicalutamide mono therapy a good solution for a fem guy who wants to maintain his sexual health? I have a girlfriend.

I want some boobies and rounder features. Will bica alone work to these ends? Will the estradiol conversion from blocked testosterone be enough to feminize me or would I need estrogen? I am trying to avoid killing my dick and sex drive.

>>7927762

Thanks!
Lol do I not pass as a boy anymore?

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>>7927651
which part of my body?

and thank you for standing up for my body hair <3.

>>7927664
its a 23g I think

it didnt feel like anything when I was digging to get past the nerve. I can feel it hit the muscle, but Ive got z tracks down so it doesn't hurt to break the skin.

>>7927685
whatever. It probably takes 6 months to get that long. I've shaved since. why does it bother you so much? Seems like you have your own insecurities.

>>7927767
when I was just on t blockers, I was miserable. If you use your dick it will still work. and Its more the lack of t that hurts that. For your drive, just add progesterone.

Always consistently the chillest threads. Stay cute bois

>>7927043
Currently at 180 and want to lower myself to 140-150 and maybe lower. I would say I'm chubby as I have quite some fat still on my stomach and love handles. Ideally I'd like to just get my stomach and love handles to something less fat. Really the only part of my body I feel is not where I want it to be is just this middle portion of my body, everything else I have no problems with.
I'm just questioning in how I should go with weight loss. I like what lifting does because i have seen a lot of gains my thighs and ass, and even my arms have gotten a bit toned, but my stomach is taking forever to get rid of. When I was just losing weight by dieting I lost weight at a quicker pace (or it felt like that) and it was pretty easy because all I had to do was eat right. Now that I'm dieting and exercising it's gotten tougher as I have to sometimes eat at 1700 calories or more or else I'm the hungriest ducker ever and my workouts suck dick.
If you have any advice to give I'd appreciate it a lot

>>7927752
What is it with /LGBT/ and their shit taste in fashion. You look like you're about to go and kill a bunch of vampires.

>>7927767
Antiandrogens will kill your dick and sex drive. Estrogen and especially progesterone will bring it back.
>>7927752
Honestly you're leaning female to me, at least in this picture. Also, throw away that collar, it's hideous.

>>7927752
Face is kinda idk its cute i guess but the fact that you actually attempt to put in effort and you have a unique style makes me insanely attracted tp you

>>7927752
Why do you have medical posters in the background, is it some kind of aesthetic because it's pretty creepy famalam

>>7927793
>Ive got z tracks down so it doesn't hurt to break the skin.
explain pls
> 23g
I thought that was too small for IM injections, I bought 18g..

>>7927810
To be fair I'm on my way to a goth club

>>7927811
Yeah, maybe not my best collar.

>>7927819
Bawww thanks!

>>7927811

I am under the impression that Bicalutamide does not destroy T it just
blocks it from binding, and a lot of that free T is converted into estradiol which can feminize you

>>7927828

1) I used to be a combat medic
2) I'm a huge science nerd
3) I might maybe be going to med school

>>7927848
You're right, I forgot about that. I'm not on bicalutamide, so maybe someone else can answer.

>>7927842
>goth club
As much as I should shit on you for this what exactly do you guys do?

>>7927831
If you lived near me, Id totally do your injections. bend over bb.

18g is for drawing. shit no wonder why you hate it. Ive done up to 25. it depends on what kind of oil your e is suspended it. If its too thick to draw, just keep the ampoule or vial between your thighs for a few minutes to warm it up.

As far as I know, here is really not a "minimum for IM" it depends on what medication you are administering, not the route. I use 25 for ampoules from alldaychemist and 23 for generic (20mg/ml) from my clinic. One is thicker than the other.

>z track
you see how I use one hand to pull the skin about na inch? it helps keep it from leaking out and reduces pain if done right. next time you do it, try putting tension on your skin. too much and it hurts just as much. you can just prod/tap yourself with the needle using various amounts of tension and youll know when you get it right

>>7927887

Well I'm going to spend a lot of it drinking and hitting on my date, but other than that, dancing to darkwave and Depeche mode

>>7927892
you inject an OIL in your body
duuude, thats badass

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>>7927848
>A lot of the free T is converted into estradiol
Oh, what? I thought you pissed it out.

>>7927848
a lot of that free T is converted into DHT which makes you go bald and grow body hair. a small percent becomes E.

>>7927931
>a lot of that free T is converted into DHT which makes you go bald and grow body hair
this guy knows whats up

>>7927892
I'm using progynon depot..how easy is it to get injections prescribed? if you're a non binary snowflake like me (live in US)

I will definitely try that tension technique next time, thanks for the tip

>>7927965
Im a nb snowflake too. or an apathetic butch trans woman. or something.

It depends on where you live. Are you in the US? It was easy for me to find a place and I dont pay a thing for my bloodwork and appointments

Some planed parenthoods do informed consent. Theres also clinics in most cities. I know redit has searchable info for most cities. If anything, email a trans group in your area and they should know. Informed consent is your key word.

>>7927931

So bica + finasteride would be pretty great right?

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>>7927955
>>7927931

>>7927752
take the choker off you fucking retard

>>7928037
yeah, that same article says bica causes a rise in dht.

certainly, dht will have more trouble binding to receptors on bica. At the same time, theres nothing more than anecdotes that the doses used are effective to combat male pattern baldness or other masculinizing effects of dht. Its not as simple as take bica and it locks up every single receptor.

There are proven studied ways out there.

>>7928013
yeah in the US (wisconsin)
I kinda hate using these ampules, I've never once got a clean break

>>7927730
Yeah no doubt, but it's not as bad as full on starving yourself like the anon was deadset on doing

>>7928125

It causes a rise in dht, t, and estrogen. The free T is converted to estradiol which is why it gives you gyno.

I'm sure it doesn't totally block serum DHT but again why not just take dutasteride?

I'm trying to create a self med regimen if you can't tell.

>>7928125
True but it's why we take other shit alongside it. Like Raloxifene, or just estrogen if you don't care about the tits part.

You should be taking something else with Bica anyway and if you're here it's going to be something that'll stop body hair growing and male pattern baldness. If you're not, then you're doing it wrong.

>>7928145
I started living off just plain tea every other day to halve my caloric intake and started running whenever I had a chance and I've lost over 16 pounds in 3 weeks.

>>7928163
>why not just take dutasteride
thats what Im saying. Though, a lot of people find finasteride just as effective, but cheaper.

really, with how much bica costs, unless you really like having working testis, just take cypro.

>>7927798
Ok so here's what's happening, if you're lifting you're gaining muscle (which can be good or bad), but muscle is also denser than fat so you may look better in the mirror, but the scale may not change! If you're wanting to be toned keep lifting, but just increase your cardio. Additionally, time your meals to a small meal before your lifting workout that way your workouts don't suck. The whole six small meals a day thing is just a way to deal with hunger by just barely staving it off.

TL;DR Keep lifting, smaller meals, go by the mirror not the scale as evidence of progress

>>7928130
Theres got to be something there. America is the land of easy to access hormones.

I told my doctor I used to self med and had smuggled internet hormones into standing rock for a friend. no problem

>>7924828
I'm a masc guy with a masc personality, wanna top me? I'm really curious about it ;)

>>7928169
I think that's essentially a type of intermittent fasting. The original person was talking about no food for like 2-3 weeks and cardio

>>7928169
Same, I lost 90 lbs in 15 weeks doing this

>>7928287
you actually cannot lose that much fat
you lost muscle and water

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>>7928163
That actually makes me question, because I'm always looking to expand my notepad of handy dandy information.

If Bica pretty much increases the level of DHT and causes Estrogens; and then Raloxifene pumps you with more estrogens (but is SERM so existing estrogen and what you're getting from Ralox means it doesn't bind to tits (and other possible things)) then what's the purpose of DHT at this point?
Wouldn't it be a constant struggle of DHT and Estradiol fighting another? Or is one stronger than the other? Or is it a balance in this case?
I know DHT is what causes hair loss and all but estradiol is what makes you more youthful and avoid male pattern baldness so it cancels it out but then at this point why aren't the Bica+Ralox users also taking something to cancel out the DHT?

>>7928287
I lost 130 pounds in only 3 weeks by only drinking tea!

>>7928321
Well, of course, if you want to get a cute physique then at some point you will have to start losing muscle mass. The water accounts for 10 lbs at most and you should really only be counting your weight loss after it begins to line up with your caloric deficit.

>>7928224
Alright thanks I've always known muscle is much more dense and I probably should look at the mirror more than the scale but it's just so disappointing to see how I was able to lose so much before compared to now but oh well. I guess I'll just keep on working out. I'll try the six small meals thing, seems kinda tough but it might be worth the try. I just hate working out and feeling like absolute shit when I work out because I usually just call it the quits midway.

>>7928340
I lost 200 pounds by just drinking salt

>>7928354
The meals can be something small like a granola bar, and 6 is just something /fit/ recommends. It could be 3,4,5,6 etc. just whatever you need to stave off the hunger on a low cal diet

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what are your opinions on prison gays
aka worthless scum who fail to attract girls and think fucking yous would be easier

>>7928354
I've always regarded the "six small meals" thing as a form of torture. It works for some people, but for others it's better to go the opposite way and concentrate your meals to 2 a day or sparser still.

>>7928404
it really depends on the person. It's all calories in vs calories out. I like 4 meals a day personally. Breakfast, lunch, preworkout meal, and dinner

>>7928404
yeah I'm the same way. I can't deal with being constantly teased with little rabbit snacks. I want food to be something I look forward to and feel satiated by after eating it. I don't have a problem with fasting for days at a time, though.

>High widows peaks
>Constantly paranoid about losing hair so I just let it grow
>Look like I'm homeless

What do I do? I'm afraid to cut it. What hairstyle should I go for?

>>7928446
shave it all off, or get bailey jay style bangs

>>7928322

I think bica + finasteride or dutasteride is a no brainer.

t. Not an endocrinologist

>>7928446
get sasuke anime hair

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>>7928485
yes do this

>>7928467
>Shave it all off

oh god please no that's what I'm afraid of. my mom keeps telling me that I'm not losing my hair and that it's just I have widows peaks but I'm always paranoid. Bangs like that might be nice, though...

>>7928485
>>7928492
please no

>>7928376
90% of /lgbt/ is prison gay.

>>7928506
Post pictures and we will confirm balding or widows peak

>>7928376
they're right

>>7926542
you should always exercise

>>7926088
i saw a qt femboy once, i saw an ugly tranny once

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How do you deal with oily hair and oily skin?
It feels disgusting, I'm taking 5mg finastiride as well.
Any tips?
I wash may face 2-3 times a day, shower once and wash my hair every other day.
What other stuff should I do?

>>7930289
I've had pretty bad acne and rosacea since I was 13
spironolactone helped a lot, so it was definitely hormone related
but there's problems with taking that for long durations, so I dunno

>>7930380
Maybe cutting off your balls would help?

>>7930450
or killing myself
that would work too

>>7930455
Yeah but then you become another statistic. At least with orchi you don't have to take spiro anymore and your liver won't get fucked

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Am I cute :0

>>7930682
andy kaufman's preteen brother/5

>>7930719
what does that mean :o.

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Is this too lewd to wear outside?

>>7930749
No, looks like shit normal girls wear, the pantyhose is what you wear when you're too lazy to get all the leg stubble. I don't understand how it became something sexual.

lol wtf my balls are so tiny now

>>7930682
be mine pls

>>7930682
yes

>>7927752

Go back to /mtfg/ you antifa, scum.

Keep your tripfagging Robin Banks looking ass in there, Eugenie. And keep fucking disgusting trannies off twitter.

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>>7930450
I'm worried about losing all sexual functioning cause Cypro nerfed my sex drive but I don't want to swallow anti androgens my whole life cause that shit longterm is horrible for your liver. I know I've asked this before; but finding a bf is hard enough as it is has anyone here gotten an orchie and how it's affected your sex life?

>>7927035
Thanks for the info anon the only thing holding me back is the price I'm pretty sure I would blow through my savings it's not free in the usa :/ but still your country is awesome for not having a stick up its ass when it comes to this stuff.

Hmm well I was looking at the tria its like pretty cheap but only YouTube reviews are a hairless twink and thousand of women so it seems dubious at best.

I hope I can handle the pain I used to inject my estrogen and that hurt pretty bad I hope I don't have to get electrolysis cause that way more expensive. I'll have to suck it up lol when I get the money that is

>>7927044
Honestly I don't think it's too thick I hope this photo was taken after weeks of not shaving. Ignore the face app it's the only photo I have with a beard.

>>7930749
CPs?

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>>7931078
based....

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>>7930826
Who /tiny nuts/ here?

>>7931078
since when were /mtfg/ leftists?

>>7931234
since mike "like traps? get zapped" pence

>>7930756
I know, it just feels so weird and exposed
>>7931191
I wish ;_;

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>>7931230
Mine are pretty smol.

>>7931293
Oh, then kys fag, I guess

>>7930380
>spironolactone
will 100 mg/day help?

>>7931230
Anyone here flexible enough to sit like that?

>>7931450
you have a pretty nice hips desu

>>7931655
Flexibility? Why he's just sitting cross legged with his arms back You wanna see flixible try some advanced yoga poses senpai.

>>7931801
Oh I see how his legs are now I can do that x3

>>7931681
Aw try its all hrt I didn't really have his before then.

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>>7931801
>cross legged
No that's wariza, not something easy to do.

>>7931801
I think I've dislocated something.

>>7931852
Lol I corrected myself and I can do it used to lay down that way with my back all the way down and legs at my side cool I didn't know the pose name is that a pose in yoga?

>>7931855
Why did you try anon? Hope your okay?

It's amazing how people want to put you into the "gay" or "straight" category.. I'm not someone who acts prissy and fem all the time, and yet when I move back and forth, it really confuses people. I have no problem accepting that men and women can move freely along the masculine/feminine scale.. why can't other people? :(

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>>7931230
I think I did it right?

>>7931953
>pose in yoga
No, just informal japanese sitting pose for women.

>>7931842
>>7932130
>its all hrt I didn't really have his before then
how long have you been on it?
v cute body btw, I'd be happy to turn out like that

>>7931450
God id pay money to get with you...
Id make you my princess boy

>>7932152
Bout three years off and on aw thanks I wish my face got more benefits tho I still look pretty rough saving up for ffs and hoping it can help. I'm still way off from my goal I wish I lived in Scotland I'd play tranny to get my face fixed.

>>7932292
>I wish I lived in Scotland I'd play tranny to get my face fixed.
This is why transition stuff shouldn't be on the NHS.

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>>7932309
It's only Scotland that does this and honestly ffs is needed for transition half the people that commit suicide would still be alive same with people who were murdered would probably not been outed if they passed a female. Will there be people who in some people's eyes abuse the system yeah but that shouldn't prevent the option for being there to save lives at a pittance of cost to the general public.

>>7932259
Omg that's triggering my fetishes. Being a trappy escort would probably be pretty hot if it wasn't for diseases being an issue I'd try it.

>>7932541
id do anything to fulfill your fantasies and mine... :33


You are so hotttt

how do i make my nipples more sensitive? i've been on cute pills for over 3 years but my tits are barely more sensitive than a boy's.

>>7932541
>honestly ffs is needed for transition half the people that commit suicide would still be alive
I don't believe it.

>same with people who were murdered would probably not been outed if they passed a female.
Murders aren't the fault of anyone but the murderer. If you get murdered because you didn't get surgery, then the problem wasn't not getting the surgery.

FFS doesn't guarantee passing anyway and you can get found out even if you pass thanks to the dick. Even SRS issn't guaranteed to be passable as cis.

>>7932718
I don't theres a way. I'm in your boat, I've been on hrt for years and never got any sensitivity from my chest at all.

nu
>>7933091
>>7933091

>>7933096
not even at autosage yet, fuck off

>>7932718
were they not very sensitive before starting hrt?

i'm on dutasteride (for 2 years) and I love playing with my nipples
i have no idea if they were this sensitive before starting it, it had never even occurred to me to play with my nipples at that time

>>7932759
i just want to be a sensitive slut...

>>7933431
nope, not at all

>>7933614
>nope, not at all
maybe thats part of the issue :(
mine were pretty sensitive pre hormones, but now its pretty wild
playing with them more often might make them more sensitive, that was something I absolutely noticed pre-hrt..the more I touched them the better the feeling got

>>7933634
maybe i'll try to train myself to touch them frequently so they end up feeling better. thanks

>>7933659
If you keep playing with them you open the nerve endings so yes, keep playing with them.

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>>7931953
>Why did you try anon? Hope your okay?
Because I thought I can and it looked cute.
But I think it would feel better if ride a dildo while doing it.

>>7932718
Try using nipple pumps.