/tgg/ Trans Girl General

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>>7864716
Apparently needs a bitter post to get started so here we go:

>For the last week it seems like I should have been crying constantly but instead I feel nothing, just nothing end to end day to day. I just want to feel something.

>>7864787
You've just described the last two decades of my life.

>>7864795
Are you me? I've been crying non stop for last twenty years. My family died but even that didn't help :/.

non-autistic version
>>7807618

>>7864787
>>7864795
>>7864807
>>7864821

oh you

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>>7864997
forgot pic

>>7864997
1. Implying all anons aren't samefags.
2. Congratulations, you've just pointed out the absurd of tripfag ban. Let's merge it with /mtfg/ already.

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Let's post /tgg/ pics.

So this non binary person I know is complaining about a TERF not letting them into a woman's only space.

Even though they are non binary they are claiming they are still a transwoman.

I have officially seen batshit in human form. I get that non binary people are supposed to neither, but that doesn't mean they are also all genders. FUCK OFF. haha

>>7865076
I guess I can't blame TERFs in this case.

Today I'll remind them that the correct plural of "TERF" is "terves".

>>7865076
that's like saying nb people aren't allowed to use men's or women's restrooms.

what is the possible justification for a terf wanting a space with no nb people?

How do I know that a boy is not a chaser? If he does have a mental breakdown or panicking about the thing he is a normal?

>>7865153
What is the possible justification for a feminist wanting a space with no men?

>>7865171
Yes. If he murders you for being trans, he's not a chaser.

>>7865172
Trans women and nb people aren't men.

>>7865193
The notabene people aren't women.
Algebra 101.

Chasers aren't pleasant to Allah.

>>7865231
>still zero reasons provided for excluding trans or nb people

>>7865290
>Still zero reasons provided for excluding anyone at all.

>>7864716
I feel pretty good today, hopefully I won't think about how I'll never be a real woman with a functioning uterus, because that would make me feel like shit

>>7865307
Feminism BTFO

If there was EVEN ONE trans woman in 100 who liked chasers, she would have to be upset at the other 99 trans women for chasing those scarce men away from her social perimeter.

I have never seen EVEN ONE such trans woman. Not even among those who deny having issue with chasers.

And this is in the era of rampant transphobia... I fear to imagine the level of trans privilege in an era when trans discrimination will be eradicated completely.

Trans women – just like Clinton liberals – are working very hard to alienate their supporters and to reverse the flywheel of social progress. I wouldn't blame someone for thinking that they are false-flag actors employed by /pol/. It would be hard to conceive a more subversive weapon against trans women than the "chaser" meme.

If it feels like a CIA psy-op, walks like a CIA psy-op and talks like a CIA psy-op, then it probably is a CIA psy-op.

>tfw no nbf

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"What makes you different is what makes you most beautiful"

...says post-op trans woman Thalita Zampirolli
after cutting off all that made her different
from cis women.

>Page 5 alert

>>7866577
>Cutting off
This is a female space please leave

>>7866596
Is it? Is there a third trans thread for men and non-op trans women?

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Trans moron
Thalita Zampirolli

>>7866609
Non-op transwomen are allowed but chasers aren't please go

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Retarded is the new feminine.

>>7866643
>chasers
You are flattering yourself.
Are haters welcome?

>>7865171
Simple, if he wants to fuck you in the poo hole immediately and touch your penis then he is

>>7864716

i hate both never being validating and wishing to be validated as a girl. I feel like i might never understand myself. The only thing i know is that feeling feminine seems easier and the right way to be. I choose to take HRT for no pleasure of mine, but to sooth the dysphoria that cripples me. It brings me comfort to know at least i don't have to be alone in this way.

why does this thread seem to be attracting so many trolls lately

>>7867452
idk but it's a sad thing to see. Waste of their time imo, the one with trips would probably be more worth their time.

>>7867916
I was thinking about it a bit and I think they are not regulars here so they just pick the first trans thread they see which is this one since mtfg is often past bump limit

>>7866785
this right here goddamn
I don't want to be a woman but I just couldn't be a "gay man" anymore... I thought I could do it but it hurt so bad. I wish it were internalised homophobia, something I could rationalise and overcome...

>>7868393
>I thought I could do it but it hurt so bad.
What hurt so bad when you tried?

>>7868396
Knowing that every guy I was with saw as someone they could relate as I guy. They'd tell me how attractive I was and I knew they saw me as a twink. Knowing that the personality they like wasn't really me, or at least not the whole picture; a half masc of straight acting to mirror the side with "masculine" interests (cars, bikes, machines and construction). Knowing that what they saw as overt submissiveness was just my natural inclination to be the receptive partner, the idea of using my penis or receiving oral. I just wanted to be held

>>7867452
The only person that can tell us why you're an asshole magnet is you.

>>7867916
Waste of time is the purpose of 4chan.

>>7868188
How about not talking and posting pictures?

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(You)
>>>/out/

i keep watching anti trans videos to make myself feel worse i dont even know why

>>7868716
Time to let go of your flag/pol/, Blaire

>>7868763
i dont understand

>>7868769
I assume anon was referencing Blaire White

>>7865459
this

>>7865459
Chasers aren't supporters, they're predators.

>>7868832
I thought traps who seduced straight men were predators.

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Stop feeding trolls. Post more /tgg/-related pictures.

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>recently start accepting that I might be trans
>not ready to come out as I haven't even fully accepted it myself
>go out to a decently sized social event with friends
>good mix of men and women
>become at least slightly envious of most of the women in attendance
>tfw trying to ignore the fact that my shoulders and hips will never look anywhere near as good as theirs do
I don't think that's ever even crossed my mind before. What the fuck

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According to a Basque transgender charity:

>There are girls with penises and boys with vulvas.

Apparently not according to trans women themselves, which detest their penises, along with any person attracted to them...

Hating own penis is not gender dysphoria – it's internalised transphobia. It is not gender dysphoria because having a penis doesn't determine gender: there are girls with penises and boys with vulvas.

Before you set out to conquer bigotry in others, try to conquer it in your own backyard first.

>>7868905
top irony

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>>7869067

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One advantage of being male: you can be dirty and unkempt and no one will misgender you for it.

Can you be unkempt and be a passable trans woman?

Transitioning turns you into a prisoner of >>>/fa/shion for the rest of your life.

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Is this what an unkempt trans woman looks like?

>>7869599
You mean one advantage of being a cis woman is that you don't get misgendered for being unkempt.

Going to convince my endo to give titty skittles tomorrow. Wish me luck.

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>>7869636
>no picture
Never seen a natural trans woman.
Never seen a feminine hobo.
I showed you mine, why won't you show yours?

>>7869636
>You mean one advantage of being a cis woman is that you don't get misgendered for being unkempt.

>>7869599
>Is this Cate Blanchett or Ian Beale?

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>>7869636

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>>7869636

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>>7869636
When you can look at a hobo and say "a woman", it's a fake hobo.

>>7869753
>implying this isn't because there aren't female hobos

Anyone got tips on growing your hair out? I'm at the stage where my hair is messy long in guy mode and if left alone will probably grow into some sort of afro mullet. I've never gone to a hair salon and asked for anything other than a general trim so I'm a little lost..

>>7870274
Same I always get super nervous at hair places and usually just ask for a half an inch off everywhere but that just looks bad and doesnt help it grow out

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What hair solutions do exist for balding superwomen?

My state of knowledge is that estrogen won't bring it back but I could be wrong.

My state of knowledge is also that hair extensions need existing hair to be there in the first place, so they are not good for someone with missing hair. But I could be wrong about this too.

>>7871716
finasterid + minoxidil could revert some of the hairloss, but I don't know how well it works.

>"A woman shall not wear man's clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman's clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God."

>>7872428
im so sorry jesus
smite me now

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>>7872428
The halt can manage a horse,
the handless a flock,
The deaf be a doughty fighter,
To be blind is better than to burn on a pyre:
There is nothing the dead can do.

It is always better to be alive,
The living can keep a cow.
Fire, I saw, warming a wealthy man,
With a cold corpse at his door.

>tfw troll has moved into the thread

I'm unsure about my dsyphoria. I dress sloppy for a man, always jackets and sweatpants. So day-to-day dsyphoria is not apart of my life in the physical sense. I do feel it whenever I think about how I can never be fem with my body though. This happens whenever I wear andro/fem clothing too. I want to be more myself and my goal rn is to just be fem andro, but I don't know if thats really the best for me. I really feel like if I keep up the way I am I'll be fine for a long long time, but apart of me just wants to dive in to see what I become. The problem for me is, I won't want to express myself like that until I look it, which for me is taking hrt. How can I sort out these feelings?

i have no clue why i'm a million times happier with my own reflection than i am with any photos, ever.

>>7873413
Not as used to your face when watching a photo, because mirror image.
Photos also distort your face, both in length/width, and a 3d image looks very different from a 2d image.

So not necessarily that you're ugly, but learned to look past it in the mirror, it could also be from being un-photogenetic.

>>7871716
Estrogen prevents further balding for most people (unless your family has a history of female balding or something, of course), and can sometimes partially reverse it if it's recent.

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>>7876038
Not me btw. Just someone I thought had really cool hair.

Post neat hair.

>>7876038
Really nice. Wish I was a pretty cis girl who could do this.

>>7876047
Hair thread when?

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>>7876060
Hair thread now!

>>7876062
I like this style but the cool colours of the last two really made them for me.

>>7876038
It looks like it's glowing!

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>>7876286
I think she has a blacklight behind the camera.

I don't have any more girl hair inspiration pictures, so here's a guy.

how do I get soft pretty hair instead of the disgusting frizzy flat hair I have now

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Is the non penile inversion Thai method actually superior to what top US surgeons have to offer, or is that just a meme? My insurance will cover surgeons in the US, so I'd rather not leave if I can.

...also, I've already kind of decided on McGinn, I'm just asking because the surgery date is in a few months and I'm getting paranoid about whether I chose correctly -_-

>>7877281
Shit, wrong thread, ignore.

>>7865459
Hop off that high horse, mate

Chasers don't exist. They are men who are perverts and they treat you as they would any woman with characteristics they like (Fat ass, big breast, etc)

Most of what Trans women deal with is a result of porn fetishizing them as a type of woman like they do with all types of women in porn (MILF, Barely 18, Cuckold/Interracial). Welcome to the world of women it happens to ALL women and dealing with assholes who just want to get in your pants is a social consequence of being a women(Though you are never obligate to let whoever do whatever they want) e.i. A social consequences of being a man and accepting a masculine role in society is chivalry and being self supportive

>>7866596
>Female space on 4chan
>Trying to censor anon's word choice on 4chan

Go home, Tumblr

>>7877281
What is the Thai method and what other SRS methods are there? Cute pic.

>>7877307
It works in this thread.

>>7868991

Funny thing is when I look at this pic picture I see 2 girls, one with short hair and one with long, and two boys, another with short hair and another with long.

Not only are they children (so they have no defined sexual feature for me get my info from), but there are also naked so I can't assume their gender based on their gender-based clothing, which is how one determined boys and girls as children(ei if second child had pants and a polo on, I would assume he was boy no matter what junk he had as I wouldn't know)

Bad post for your meaningful post; Just saying...

>>7877577
The two on the right are drawn to be like 50% larger... How does it surprise you that you gender them as male?
Though, girls grow faster, and get taller, when they're kids.

>>7877549
I meant to post in Trans Help General. The Thai method is the one that Suporn and Chettawut do, and some people say it has better aesthetics/functionality. I've heard really good things about the penile inversion that Brassard/Bowers/McGinn do as well though.

>Cute pic.
Kellyanne Conway looks like a trashy meth addict to me.

Why do people always say that the prime age for transitioning is 16? That's after puberty

>>7878902
What actually is the difference between the methods?

I didn't mean her. The whole picture. I should have said funny pic.

>>7878923
Because they are "transitioned at 16" hons desperate to pretend they didn't leave it too late.

>2 months into hrt
>go to store in boymode
>holding flour and some other things against my chest in line for self check out
>attendant looks at me
>"number 5 is available, ma'am"
>make a nod and walk over to the self checkout station
>realize later that I failed boy mode at 2 months hrt
does this mean I'm guarantees to pass even better as time goes on?

>>7878923
I think that's the minimum age for hormones in a lot of places, so that might be why.

>>7878923
very difficult pretty much impossible to get treatment before that age at least until recently seems like it might be changing a bit though

>>7879069
i am so fucking jealous

>>7879455
Go to the grocery store and rub flour on your chest in the checkout line. It's the shortcut to passing.

Hi all, new transgirl here; still coming to terms with who i am now and that I'm not ready to come out to most people because I'm know they'll reject me; but I also don't want to wait any longer to being transitioning because Im 18 and nearing the end of the effective period for HRT (as I've researched ~20 is when that ends). Is Progynova a good choice to use untill I can get to someone who can prescribe HRT for me?

>>7879510
Shit this isn't the wrong thread is it?

>>7879518
There are people here who can answer your question (I'm not one of them), but >>7861898 is probably a better place to ask.

>>7879537
Yeah lmao i just realized this is probably the wrong thread, sorry tho! Thanks for the help.

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How long should I wait for hormones to do they're thing until I decide it's hopeless for me??? Im already like 6 months and not passing but everyone is telling me to wait it out.

>>7879548
Hormones are like puberty.

It takes years.

Patience.

>>7879566
unless you are lucky like
>>7879069

>>7879548
Keep in mind it's still very possible you will never pass even with the effects of hormones. Most transgirls do never pass.

Does the jealousy of cis women ever really go away?

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>>7879605
Ugh don't tell me this anon....I don't know how much more I can take of this honestly

>>7879623
I'm sure it will if you can steal one's bf/gf. Then you're officially better.

>>7880071
What if I have womb envy as well? Sure I can steal a cis woman's partner, but I'll never be able to provide them the family they deserve like she could.

>>7880167
That gets better when your boyfriend's child with his ex starts calling you mommy instead of her.

>>7880178
it wont be hers though

>>7880216
This won't stop until we get to be cis will it!

>>7880178
I can't see taking care of a step child or adopted child as being anything other than a constant soul crushing reminder of what I could never do. If I were to carry on a relationship with a man, we could never have kids that both of us could truly call our own. Frozen sperm is the exception when it comes to having a wife.

>>7880242
>we could never have kids that both of us could truly call our own.
In Britain you can get three-parent babies now.

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>>7880250
>three-parent babies

>>7879069
I took a trip to a different state for about a week last month. People would call me miss and ma'am about about 90% of the time even though I was always in boymode and only 7 months on hormones. It made he happy but now I'm worried that either
1. They only gendered me female because it was in a pretty liberal place and they were just trying to be polite
2. They only gendered me female because I was always next to and usually holding onto the arm of my super tall boyfriend, so I looked comparatively more feminine
3. They only gendered me female because I have long hair and they didn't get a good enough look at my face.

>>7880263
Basically they take most of the genetic information out of your sex cells and implant it into a donor egg, then impregnate it with your boyfriend/husband's sperm. Thereby creating a baby with DNA from 3 parents (although the vast majority would be from you and your partner).

That said as far as I know it's currently only been done by moving information from egg cell to another egg cell, not from sperm cell to egg cell, and it's only been done to treat genetic defects, not to let LGBT people have babies. But if the current trials prove successful it probably isn't so far off from us.

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>>7880342
Neat

>>7880342
Nicely explained.

Since we're on the topic of birth organs, here are some other relevant tidbits.

There's some preliminary research related to induced stem cells that bears promise. From what I recall, work is being done on obtaining sex cells from the induced stem cells as a treatment for infertility caused by any inability to produce viable sex cells, usually from problems with the gonads. Depending on how well that works out, it could help LGBT people get around things like lacking egg cells or sperm cells for use in other procedures.

There is also work on growing new uterine walls/associated organs since they're a common source of problems. Theres potential there for non-rejecting implantation of wombs for trans women, though I wouldn't bet on it being available any time soon. (related, irrc, there's also been a few successful womb transplants done in cis women relatively recently, though those came from donors).

>>7880627
Brain transplants or nothing.

>>7880643
>>7880627
>tfw MGS tier nanobots to dynamically change cellular structure never ever

>>7880643
>Brain transplants or nothing.

I keep laughing at this, but it is actually possible to do.

There's an italian surgeon and a terminally ill patient that plan to do a head transplant later this year. their collaborators claim some success with animal trials, so hopefully it doesn't kill the man.

Whatever happens, we're going to learn a lot about how our brains interface with our other organs.

An actual brain transplant would be significantly more complicated than a head transplant. There's been some success with animal tests, but to my knowledge, we're a long way away from any human trials.

>>7880661
>inb4 someone announces they're 10 years away from this tomorrow

>>7880810
>An actual brain transplant would be significantly more complicated than a head transplant. There's been some success with animal tests, but to my knowledge, we're a long way away from any human trials.
Well hurry up because I can not pass thanks to my face already.

>>7880312
yea, my biggest fear is that he didn't see my face very well and assumed I was a girl because he was busy or something. but then again he cleared the self checkout machine for me and didn't correct himself when he looked at me later so who knows.

>>7879982
Sadly, that's just the truth. Hormones are almost useless for most transwomen. Most of our dimorphism is in the bone. Fuck testosterone. Fuck everything about it.

>>7879510
>the end of the effective period for HRT (as I've researched ~20 is when that ends)
>tfw you barely missed this window
>tfw started at 21
Fuck. Is it time to end it, /tgg/?

>>7881319
nah. While your bones have mostly set, theres still some wiggle room. Moreover, all the other changes still apply.

>>7881338
Different anon here. What about at 19 if i already have a fully developed male skeleton? Trying to decide whether to repress until i kill myself or transition and then kill myself.

>>7881319
>tfw i have also started at 21
i fucking hate this

>>7881344
Define fully developed. Unless you've examined X-rays of yourself it's impossible to tell whether some bones have stopped growing, especially the hips which can still be growing up to age 25.

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>>7881319
>>7881413
>tfw 22 and just now realizing that I may have been repressing being a transwoman for years along with many of my other emotions
>tfw still not confident enough in my assertion to begin hrt immediately
>tfw no extra money to spend on this

>>7880312
>people who doesn't live full time gets bfs
really boggles the mind

>they say estrogen helps to stop you from growing too tall if taken during development
>family has our heights marked on a wall each year from when we were kids
>would've had to stop growing at 13 to be under 5'7, even if I started then I'd still have likely gained a few inches in the coming years

Something about knowing there was absolutely nothing I could do to prevent this lankyness brings a bit of relief

>>7881564
c-can you really be 22 and in denial about this?

So know this is a long shot but I'm doing a project for university on lingerie for transwomen. Projects about making stuff pretty and functional as shapewear and so on. But look nice, not like most shapewear or bras with big back sizes.
So if any of you could fill the survey linked (No need to put your email in, it's anon), it would be great.
https://surveyplanet.com/58c01eef74fe2053c67ac456
We pitch to industry about developing our ideas in a few months, so it could go further if we do well.

>>7881564
Also 22 here but I've been super aware of suppressing trans feelings for 3-4 years now. Only just started going to therapy but it feels good to finally start making progress. I just hope my clinic doesn't make obtaining hrt too difficult.

>>7882096
Most of my stuff is handmedowns at the moment, but I'm glad you're doing this. Hope your pitch goes well.

>>7882150
Thank you! If anyone has any feedback or ideas on what you'd like to see made for you please reply to my comment. Also a chance we'll be looking into swimwear too, I just saw the tread for that, I never realized swim would be an issue too.

>>7877488
What the fuck is a chaser? Someone who is attracted to certain sexual and aesthetic characteristics and so they are a rapist? Not understanding what the fuck this means. Are trannies really this fucking paranoid?

>>7882221
chaser=/=rapist

Basically, they tend to be men fixated more on what transwomen have in their pants than the person attached to those bits.

Occasionally, chasers will display stalker-like behavior and in general be kinda gross and creepy. The worst examples tend to not take "no thanks" for an answer.

I haven't encountered any in person, but they're not uncommon online.

as >>7877488 noted, this mostly comes from porn fetishization. A lot of women deal with being treated as nothing but sex objects, and the trans specific variety is referred to as chasers/chasing, because they're 'chasing' trans people.

Rapes do happen I'm sure, but I've never seen anyone use chaser as substitute for rapist.

>>7882221

>>7882315 again

>Someone who is attracted to certain sexual and aesthetic characteristics
Also worth noting - if this attraction isn't fetishized, then the individual in question is not considered a chaser.

Chaser has an exclusively negative connotation.

so far as I know, there isn't a specific word for people attracted to trans individuals in a normal, healthy way.

>>7882315
>>7882341
So if you're attracted to what's in their pants but also treat them as a human being and care about them you're not a chaser?

>>7882362
Exactly.

>>7882384
Seems like people throw it around pretty easily. One thing that bugs the shit out of me is on sex apps I always see the trans girls say how disrespectful and transphobic it is to be asked for sex or asked to see their genitals or sent cock pics or whatever. Grinder is fucking MADE for hookups and cock pics, it's not transphobic to want to see someone else's genitals or send them yours.

Why do trans people seem to want to be treated shitty? It's like they are looking for it. So what if someone's treating you like a sex object on Grinder? That's literally the point of the app. Is it that they are treated so shitty in reality that they think everything is transphobic? Can someone explain this nonsense to me, because I have no trans friends so maybe I just don't get it.

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>Mom has been wanting a nicer bag for a while but can't afford one
>Finally have a job that's a little nicer and thought I could afford one for her birthday/women's day
>They're 400 dollars for the cheaper ones


What sort of hell have your chosen for yourselves?

>>7882410
I dunno, since I've never used grinder or other sex apps and my friends that do haven't complained about that particular thing. My guess is that there's context you and I don't know about. That, and trans people as a whole tend to be extremely cagey about their genitals for self explanatory reasons. (also gotta say personally that greeting strangers with a poorly made dickpic as I've seen happen just seems like a stupid move).

>>7882447
>$400 dollar bag
Anything that cost is probably designer branded. Designer shit is meant as a status symbol and display of wealth. Unless your mom cares about that sort of thing, just get her a well constructed generic brand instead. Any bag/purse above $150 is probably not worth the additional cost. A good leather bag can easily last 20 years if taken care of.

Theres a reason why H&m and thrift stores are extremely popular: they're cheap and theres literally almost no difference in product quality.

>>7872325
>>7875046
>partially
Hormonal solutions are clearly shit.
Why does no one talk about cosmetic solutions?

>>7872428
Does God even have chromosomes?

>>7882032
Yeah, I've read that taking blockers early actually increases your height too. Seeing the 5'10"+ early transitioners post makes me feel better.

>>7882666
Thanks Satan.

I ended up buying a much larger Calvin Klein bag for a lot lower. She ended up crying because she didn't care what the brand was, what was more special that it was my first gift like that I bought with the money I earned with my grown-up jib

>>7882711
Because it's asking for a non-surgical solution.

hair transplants are really expensive.

>>7881818
He says I'm plenty cute and feminine but I can't help but feel he's biased.

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>>7883062
It doesn't mention "non-surgical solution" anywhere except in your mind. It literally says "What hair solutions do exist for balding superwomen?"

Every star of Instagram I follow turns out to have some sort of fake hair. But trans women can't into fake hair? I feel gatekept.

It's like a cultural segregation designed to give people with great hair (cis women) even greater hair and ensure that balding people (cis men and trans women) stay balding.

And you are the gatekeeper by being "magically" oblivious to the most effective solutions.

You gatekeep me from secret "women's knowledge".

You want me to fail.

You want me to be a low-quality hon in order to intimidate me into staying in my male box.

You see, I didn't mention "non-surgical solution". (Nor a host of other arbitrary exclusions.) You made it up – for no reason.

Women who ALREADY have healthy hair get fabulous FAKE hair.

Meanwhile balding men are asked to tamper with testosterone killing hormones that don't give them their hair back but do kill their testosterone.

Isn't our culture perverse?

>>7886841
That's just the nature of the hormone. Testosterone is a hell of a drug. Eunuchs don't go bald. If you want luxurious hair as a man you either need to have good genes, or be rich (like Elon Musk) or fucking deal with it and take shitty testosterone suppressing drugs. It's what you get for being a vain poof. Just shave it off. You don't see Statham complaining.

>>7886841
>being male sucks
more at 11!

>>7886894
B-but muh male privilege...

>>7886961
where do u think u are?

>>7886981
At home enjoying some light shitposting before going to bed?

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>>7886862
>VANITY.
>You don't see Statham complaining.
I'm not saying hair loss is the end of the world. I'm not suicidal over it.

Neither are those MILLIONS of women who ALREADY have healthy hair but still get even better FAKE hair.

They do it without big fuss. They don't need astronomical sacrifices that are expected from men to do it. It's not like having normal hair is driving them to suicide. It's not like they are billionnaires. It's not like they must kill babies to get better hair.

But when a man wants to do the same, he's immediately branded "vain".

I can live with being bald. Just for what purpose? Will it get me to heaven after I die?

Being bald is an unnecessary sacrifice. There are more important things in life... except getting spectacular hair is both cheap and easy. I merely don't know how.

How do I know it's cheap and easy? → The whores of Instagram.

>>7886894 >>7886961
>being male sucks
No, this is a self-imposed, culturally made up limitation. Most extreme bitches get new fake hair on a monthly basis. And they are ghetto trash, not wives of billionnaires. But the same thing for men is tantamount to launching a rocket into space. You must be Elon Musk to do that. Come on! Stop fooling me!

>>7887042
So get a toupe. Or go to a wig shop and find something with a dyke cut. And anyway, the reason it's vain for a man but not for a woman is because in the human species, it's the females who peacock, not the men. You shouldn't be worried about how you look. You should be working on getting a raise.

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>>7887080
>get a toupe
Thanks, but no, thanks. Nobody tells women of Instagram to wear toupees. I want to have what women of Instagram have. What's the obstacle?

>>7887132
>What's the obstacle?
You googling. Mens wigs are a thing. You can buy them from Amazon for chrissake.

>>7887132
kek 0:53-0:55 got me.

>>7887165
>Mens wigs are a thing. You can buy them from Amazon for chrissake.
So why can't I have a women's wig?
Because I'm not Elon Musk?

>googling
I thought the purpose of 4chan was to not have to use Google...

>>7886804
The most effective solution is to spend $75k

If they wanted to know about surgical solutions, they would've asked about it.

>>7888076
D:
>>7864787
Word for word the clinical definition of depression. If you aren't already, see a paychiatrist. Please.

this whole one tit grows way faster than the other is really fucking with me
like fuck, my left tit is starting to grow and my right has hardly done anything

>>7890133
that's normal for most girls, its even usually the left one too

>>7890191
>its even usually the left one too
wtf!

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Anybody use this cream??? Does it work I heard good things but I want to make double sure before I go buy it

>>7891380
I have an old bottle of that sitting on my desk right now. It made a couple of little hairs sprout on my chin which I had to go back to the electrologist for. That's about all it did for me personally.

>tfw will never get to be called "tight"

>>7886894
Question for passing trans people here. Did you find it was harder (not emotionally, leave your dysphoria aside) when people saw you as a man or as a woman? What's a more difficult life?

>>7892294
everyone always memes that women have easier lives and shit
there are pros and cons to everything and it all balances out in the end

>>7893206
tl;dr women don't have it easier because reasons.

>>7892294
I feel like i'm treated pretty much the same. I was never anything more than a faggy asocial neet as a man, though, so I don't have the most equal of comparisons.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6837609
>We conclude that hyperestrogenemia is an important correlate of coronary heart disease in men.

Why not in women?

What must trans women do to count as women rather than men for coronary heart disease?

>>7894560
More:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23042448
>Testosterone is negatively associated with the severity of coronary atherosclerosis in men.

In other words, testosterone is good for heart and estrogen is bad for heart (in men).

>>7894560
>>7894569
That's with both T and E.

How do i deal with being a hon? My face is alright, but my body... god. 16.5" shoulders (end to end), 30" ribcage (all bone), 29" waist, 35" hips (0.82 whr), 14" hip breadth, 35" bust (34A), 5'8" (93rd percentile of female heights in the us). Am i doomed to be a fridgebod twinkhon for life?

>>7895166
Iktf anon. Being a twinkhon is the worst. You fail as both a man and a woman. Fuck me.

>>7895166
Are you not measuring to the side of your arms for your shoulder measurement?

Because otherwise it sounds alright.

>>7895674
I am. It's still far wider than my hips however.

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>>7864716
Maybe you would sleep better if you tired yourself out.

>>7895166
Some things were just not meant to be.

>>7895720
Something else is keeping you from passing then.

Do you dress in like tight shirts or something?

>>7895747
Tbqh I haven't even tried presenting and actively hide my changes (layers, dark clothes, etc.). It's just the constant doubt and dysphoria that's keeping me from trying.

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>I lost 5 inches and dropped 3 shoe sizes!
Why do hons say this shit? They're just setting babytrans up for disappointment.

>>7897396
Because hons are delusional. In fact, being delusional is pretty much what's behind all the reasons we hate them.

>>7895166
Uhh wow.. you know you REALLY DON'T look like a hon, based on these measurements at least. A whr of 0.8 is considered the "perfectly androgynous" point and height is not supposed to be a dealbreaker. There's plenty of attractive transwomen around ~6ft anyway.

So if you face is alright, I think you're good to go :)

>>7894916
>That's with both T and E.
The second research doesn't mention estrogen, only low testosterone. That's how women are.

So, again, why aren't all women predisposed for heart disease? What must trans women do to count as women rather than men for heart disease?

>>7895454
>Being a twinkhon is the worst. You fail as both a man and a woman.
/b/ acts as if this is the best of both.

>>>/b/trap

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>>7899272
Classic examples:
>>>/b/725118209
>>>/b/725118804

Trying to tell them otherwise is an exercise in futility.

What's a good shaving method for somebody who's never shaved before? (Genitals, legs, chest area)

Questions about STDs
Can the usual stds be transmitted solely through contact? I still have my dick and i need sex and want it to get grabbed a man, could he transfer stds through sheer contact of his glans with mine? Sperm, yeah, of course thats a no-no and i guess pre-cum aswell.
I'm sorry.

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>>7900520
after years of trying different methods for my very sensitive skin i came to following realisations:
cut the pubes with an electric shaver, leaving a few mm of them. Cut with the grain and not too short, moisturize afterwards. It doesn't just look better (in my opinion!), it's way better for the skin, at least for mine. I epilate once every 2 months, including my testes. Look out for ingrown hair and if you have those, don't epilate above your testes. I actually never had an ingrown hair on my testes, only now and then under the pubic bone.
On the legs: epilate. I never got lucky with wet shaving, no matter what i did, and even now, years after starting hrt my hair still grows fast. While epilators cost <30€ (don't buy the battery ones!) shaving tools cost way more, even within the first few months.
Face: Electric shaver aswell if your hair isn't that dense. You would be surprised how close of a shave you can get with those, and they don't irritate my skin one bit. I use a no-name one, actually one of these shaver-addons that came with my cheapo epilator. Gotta admit i'm 2 years into needle epilation hair removal on my face and even after a week you can barely make out any hair (i still shave daily cause ya know, paranoia and the feeling is better)
>>7897396
womens shoe sizes are a bit different so they act like they lost a ton while it's only a difference by 2-3cm by size alone

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>>7900520
forgot to add:
If you won't start needle epilation or laser hair removal on your chest (and believe me, it would be the best to start those asap) epilating is the best way, it was for me at least. Shaving leaves very visible hair after they regrow the day after. Ingrown hair and red-nes is also very lame.
Epilating will give you smooth skin for at least a week and instead of stubble you will have finer hair regrowing. Course, those hair will come back the same thickness but the first days its way more soft.
This isn't an instant solution but it's perfect for the evening before you want to go out. Rub you skin dry before epilating, maybe use something to desinfect the area (diluted isopropylalcohol in small quantities for example) and keep your epilator-head clean (always clean with hot water and use isopropylalcohol 70% afterwards, let it dry) and epilate close to a mirror with bright light. Before i started needle epilation i used a torch for that.
It's different for everybody but epilating was best for me, before i went ''official''
oh, for the chest area you should use a narrow epilator, esp. for arround the nipple. I had this one:
amazon.
com/LADIES-SPECIAL-OFFER-14-Epilators/dp/B00WPDJ68C/ref=sr_1_5_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1489270568&sr=1-5&keywords=epilator+satin+perfect

mine was included within a set but there are lots of no-name ones that work perfectly fine
(also what the heck, 107$? mine was like 100$ in the complete set and the single, narrow ones costs like 15€ here)

>>7895166
>16.5" shoulders (end to end), 30" ribcage (all bone), 29" waist,
>hon
you don't even know what a hon is
holy shit, get out already
try having 18" shoulders and a 36" ribcage
now we're talking hon

>>7903004
36" is still within female bra range, even at smaller people
I don't know about your shoulders, i can't really visualize 18". How about a picture of you upper body?

>>7904391
>36" is still within female bra range, even at smaller people
landwhales arent people

>>7903004
>>7904391
>>7905405
i love you girls

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>>7905405
my cousins are 1,70 m - 1,80 m tall, quiete thin or normal weight and they all got 36". Same with me and my sisters (they told me, no, i didn't ask).
So i don't really know what your problem is

>>7905548
That fucking image AHAHAHAHAHA

>>7903004
Why wouldn't I be a hon?
>female whr is 0.75
>average female shoulders < 16"
>average female height is 5'3.8"
>average female ribcage in the 20"s

>>7907275
>average female height is 5'3.8

LMAO what fucking drugs are you on. All the measurements you come up with have to be matched up with the average of women of the same height, and of your race/heritage.

>>7907944
Doesn't change my masculine waist-hip ratio, though.

>>7905548
They're probably sizing according to the +4' method, so they'd have more like a 32" ribcage.

>>7907275
>>average female height is 5'3.8"
maybe in north korea

>>7907275
>average female height is 5'3.8"
This is why you're fucking stupid.

You're aware you're taller than the average woman but are comparing your measurements to women smaller than you. Not to mention that 5'8" isn't even considerably tall at all.

>>7904391
idk doesnt look too bad bc hips circumference is about 40" but shoulders are still noticably wider than my hips
im 6 feet tall though so i cant compare myself to tiny ass women but its still hon territory desu

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sooo I just tried masturbating for the first time in a while, and boy was that shit fucking painful. took forever to finally orgasm and when I did it was probably half as good as it used to be. Am I on the prepuce of prostate-only stimulation from here on out? I'm pretty much right at 3 months or hrt. am i going to be doomed from this point forward to nubbing a thing in my butt if I need to cum??

>>7907275
>>average female ribcage in the 20"s
Only children.

Adult females have at lowest 26", and that's when they're very tiny. They can't buy bras in normal stores, or have to go to the childrens section.

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Should I stop wearing heels? I heard that heels make you look sexually aroused and I think that's disgusting.

>>7911171
Fuck, does that mean my measurements are normal? Am i just bdd or something?

>>7910553
nope, get a magic wand and feel like you died and went to heaven

>>7911514
That's not disgusting, that should helping in finding a man.

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>>7905548

>be anglo saxon
>related to king george III
>say it out loud
>get called a racist

>>7908818
nah we're in europe where you use cm (metric) and i calculated it right to inches. Bra-sizes are calculated according to real measurments here.
For example a 90 B ist a b-cup with a underwire for exactly 90 cm (+/- 3 cm)

>Feel like getting my face worked on since big nose / large chin
>Come across a video of one done
>OHFUCKOHMYGODAHHHHH
>Abandon the thought

>A few months later feel like getting my face worked on
It never ends

>>7915305
surgery scares me
only one i want to do is srs

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>>7915342
>be afraid of SRS
>remember my genitals already got mutilated once at birth so it's no big deal

>>7915408
is having foreskin better for getting srs?
or does the extra skin not mean much?

>>7915408
I'm sorry ;_;

>>7915408
I plan on using that argument should I ever tell my parents about SRS or an orchie.

>>7915630
Why would you need an argument with your parents about it?

>>7897396
I have legit lost about 0.4 inches in height though. This is from getting measured by a nurse at my HRT doctor every time I go. I was consistently getting just over 6'0" for the first year of HRT, but for the past couple times it's been just over 5'11" and a half. And I used to shit all over the height loss thing too as a hon myth.

I think that at best, you might lose 0.5 - 1 inches of height. I can't see more than that being physically possible though, and especially not 5 inches.

Also, I haven't dropped in shoe size at all.

>>7911514
idk what makes you look sexually aroused means but they do make your legs look longer and your butt look bigger which is arousing to other people sometimes

Has anyone here successfully talked themselves out of transitioning?

I've been going to therapy for a couple months now and my therapist has been helping me deal with stress and talks to me about gender dysphoria. Therapy has been very helpful for my mental state but I'm still really confused. I came out to my parents recently which went horribly and now I'm considering not transitioning at all and forgetting this never happened.

Lately I've been motivating myself to not transition by looking at detransitioners and this makes me feel like the whole transitioning process is completely pointless (for me) and I might as well be happy with what I've got. On the bright side I won't have to give up my really nice male singing voice.

Is this possible to do or will I be back?

>>7917733
>I came out to my parents recently which went horribly
What happened?

How do you deal with loneliness, I feel too disgusting to meet other people

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>When after 3 years you realize you just look like a guy with long hair and won't make it

>>7918296
Almost no trannies pass. It is the skeleton more than anything (inb4 skullsize autist).

Focus on things you can change, not things you can't change.

>>7917803
i spend all of my time on the internet and make internet buddies
before i met internet friends i just spent all my time on 4chan and if i wanted a one on one chat with someone
i went to omegle question mode, never went to video chat though, fuck that
it's hard, but sometimes you can find someone who just wants to talk too, but there are a lot of sexters on that site and people asking for kik, annoying as fuck
i don't really go on omegle anymore because i got internet buddies to talk to now and finding a genuine chat on omegle is sorta hard sometimes but maybe that will help you, if you just keep rolling through chats you'll find someone nice eventually

>>7918296
that is a scary feel...
some transition timelines are the only thing that gives me hope

>>7918300
Maybe it wouldn't hurt so much if my two mtf friends didn't pass so well while telling stories about how everyone from airport staff to doctors office staff always assume they're female. It sucks getting the short end while watching those you know be happy.

>get to work
>a bunch of petite 15 years old girls in school uniform are at the door and I have to walk past them
>I can feel the stares of the little shits giggling at this sad tall ugly man ogre with long hair trying so hard to be cute

please just put a bullet in my brain

>>7918631
fuck, that would kill me
lucky me, i have no friends

I'm going to try posting here for a while instead of mtfg... it's i don't know. I feel everyone hates me.

and I've probably brought it down on myself. it's just that I can't control my feelings and had a few meltdowns. and.

i don't know i transitioned late and I've never had high hopes, but I guess I'm witty enough or cute enough to get positive attention from people and flirt.

I'm bi, for whatever's worth. i don't know why I put myself out there. people on the boards can be vicious and it really gets to me.

if i just stop taking e for a while
and voluntarily get osteoporosis
I can get shorter

>>7918701
i don't understand why you posted this
sure, post here, but this post doesn't even have anything to respond to, it's just like
"oh, ok"

>>7918703
how tall are you?

>>7918701
but the shit part is some parts of my life have been hit hard. I've been focusing too much on transition and not on my life.

and I sort of crushed on and fell in love(?) with this serial flirter. and that sort of didn't pan out as I expected. and she's like so beautiful and so smart and so awesome and she's getting on with her life and seeing other girls and....

well it feels sad that it's not me. really sad and I can't control how I feel about that.

but anyhow it's been like this this whole.month and I really needed to feel....i don't know. appreciated. pretty? desired?

so i hooked up with my ex bf. and he's always been bad news but he's really good at eating my ass, and was always gentle.

and so we got together

>>7918714
sorry there's more to the story. i just need to get it off my chest, and ask for advice.

>>7918721
advice on what?
thats what i meant by nothing to respond to

>>7918718
so i got together with my ex for some random meaningless sex. and it was going well. until it wasn't. he wanted to fuck me bareback, and I said no.

and then I realized the stupidity of everything and just wanted to leave, but he pinned me and I tried to fight but he was too strong.

the thing is I feel stupid and feel this is my fault and I'm so sad.

i feel disgusted by myself. and I feel disgusted by my body.

i just wanted to ask if anyone has been through this and how to move on. because shitposting isn't working and i don't even feel liked by the people who were my sort of friends on mtfg.

>>7918724
on this
>>7918754
I'm sorry. please don't hate me. it's hard making sense of what I feel

>>7918754
please...post it in one post next time, the way you did that felt very attention whore like
and you shouldn't of been a slut and went looked for meaningless sex, you should feel disgusted in yourself
you acted slutty and you were treated like a slut
what did you expect

>>7918770
well i expected sympathy from someone who's not an edgy teenage kid.

Thanks for listening to me and judging me and imposing your shit values to my experience.

>>7918813
sorry i didn't hug box you and cry with you about your slutty story

>>7918754
been there done that, i like him not using a rubber, plus no more fighting since we can just leave after

sounds like ur a little bitch

>>7918826
>>7918838
lmao, you edgy little faggots are worse than the trips.

this is really the shithole of mtfg.

>>7918703
that hollows bones, not shrink them.

>>7881319

I started at 22 and mostly pass (>50%) 6 months in. It's worth a shot.


>>7917733
>On the bright side I won't have to give up my really nice male singing voice.

that feel when you really liked the way you sound as a guy but don't want to be seen as a guy... I've been working on singing like a girl and I'm starting to get to a point where it feels comfortable. I haven't tried singing in my male voice for months but I keep thinking about it.

>>7919104
ok

>>7919104
edgy because we didn't hugbox you and didn't sympathize with your slutty behavior

>>7917795
Well okay it wasn't that horrible now that I think about it. I didn't get kicked out or anything.

It's just that when I came out my parents tried to validate my maleness even after I told them I'm having issues with it. They seem to think it's just a phase even though I've been repressing it for years. They're just like "you'll always be our son" and I don't know how to feel about it.

I'm just worried cause I'm 22 now and I don't want to repress for more years and regret it later. Right now I feel like I'm at a crossroads and now is the time to commit to transitioning or be doomed to being male forever. But at the same time I feel like transitioning will bring regret as well. That's why I'm trying to redpill myself into thinking all this transitioning stuff is pointless and I might as well embrace being male. I feel really conflicted about what the fuck I want to be anymore. I wish I never found out about the transition meme.

What do

>>7919227
you are going to regret not transitioning for the rest of your life

>>7919143
I've also been trying singing in a girl voice and it's not too bad. The only thing that bugs me is that my vocal range is so much better when it's in male mode. I've also been teaching myself piano lately to scratch my music itch.

Honestly thinking about giving hrt a shot just to see where it goes. I have no interest in commiting suicide so I don't have as much to worry about.
I never cared about being sterile or not so even if I regret transitioning later I can always revert back and be a gay ass femboy.
>>7919240
This is all just a meme though... Right?

>>7919423
if i didn't transition i might be dead

>>7919573
Maybe that's more evidence that I'm not actually trans. I never committed to the idea of suicide so maybe I'm making the trans thing up in my head. But at the same time I don't want to be an older man as I age.

Either way that's good that it was the better choice for you.

>>7918754
Sorry you went through that anon. That's rape. You should report him for that.

>>7918631
How old are you guys? Did hey start earlier? Or did they just have better genetics?

You know what I'm done with the whole wanting to transition thing. I just need to get out more and I'm okay with being a dude. Wish you all the best! I am a free man now.

>>7920210
See you in 10 years, hon.

>>7920210
lmao

I'm 6'1, 20 years old, and 4 and a half months on E.

I'm thinking of detransitioning, I don't see any changes in my face yet and I think I don't have the genes to look like a girl anyway.

My skin is awful as well, no acne but severe discoloration and persistent red splotches that appear on my face randomly throughout the day. I also have large pores that make my face look even more manly that it already is.

The worst part is that I don't have any type of support network. I don't have any friends and my mom is my only family. She's religious and very conservative so she wouldn't agree with me being trans at all.

It's just my luck. I find the thing that's put an answer to the question "Why do I feel so different?" only to realize that I started too late.

I was doomed from the moment I was born to fail.

Going to buy a bra for the first time
Why does life have to be so fucking awkward?

>>7921558
Don't give up anon! I started at 24 and didn't feel like there was any real progress until 12 months in. Stay on HRT and keep at it, I promise it gets better! Not only did I start older but I'm taller. Don't give up and ruin your chances, please don't waste time like I did.

>>7922192
Nothing really bad about wearing a bra though, just gotta find one thats comfortable. Would recommend the calvin klein bralette

>>7922206
What did you start noticing first?

I only see lighter skin and "boobs".

What's your dose? I'm 4mg estrofem sublingual and 50mg cypro.

My levels are a little wonky too.

T is 20 ng/dL
E is 98.1 pg/mL

Should I increase to 6mg to get that E up you think?

>>7922481
Lighter skin, booblets, even bigger eyes than I already had to begin with. After that (across the months) my skin started getting very soft, very dry skin, hair was nicer, body hair started thinning, I started getting hips, more boob growth, nips sore all the time, skin pores on nose completely cleared up, lips got a little bit different looking (That or how I hold them), measured 6'2" at doctor's office from 6'3", started getting a butt (I have that nice "bean shape" curvature when I stand), it became progressively easier to rest my weight on one heel, fingernails became more brittle, I finally actually looked at my feet the other day after barely seeing them all of fall/winter and noticed the bones in my feet are no longer visible (the same thing happened to my hands a long time ago, I don't see the tendons all that much and they don't pop out so much when flexing my hand), cheeks are always kinda reddish/pink. That's the stuff I can think of off the top of my head.

I've been 100mg Spiro 6mg Estradiol for 16 months, going on 17.

T is 10 ng/dL
E peaks at 900+ pg/mL immediately after 2mg sublingually taken pill

I'd speak to your doctor, but those definitely seem like really low E levels to me but then maybe your body is different than mine.

>In be4 HON SCIENCE

>>7922531
I'm self-medding.

I live in Florida and there aren't any informed consent places around here. And my mom would not be supportive so I can't exactly ask her to see an endo.

I also took a bloodtest right after taking my E my first time and got 991.2.

I didn't take my E this time specifically to get "clean" results.

I upped my Cypro back to 50mg today from 37.5mg just to get my T down more.

People have been giving me contradictory advice on this topic, it really scares me not knowing if I'm doing things right or not.

>>7922558
I'm sorry anon, that's rough. I don't have any supportive family but I moved out west and there's clinics out here.

You space your AA and E out right? For me, the regimen is:

>9am, take Spiro with an entire glass of water immediately after breakfast
>9:30am, take 2mg E under tongue on way to work
>4pm, 2mg E
>9:30pm, Spiro with water after a snack
>11pm-12am, 2mg E before bed

I drink probably a gallon or more of water a day.

>>7922567
I'm moving to NYC in August. Until then I have to figure this out on my own.

My regimen is this:

>9:30am, put E under my tongue and roll over and go back to sleep
>9:30pm, take cypro and e under my tongue

So yeah i spread it out 12 hours apart, i was thinking of adding another E at 3:30pm but some people are telling me that i shouldn't do it so quickly.

I actually just got a water filter and a 1 liter water bottle so I can drink all the water I want now. I'm usually just drinking 2 liters a day though. You probably need more because of the spiro though, right?

>>7922588
Yeah I really can't say for sure because yours peak out as high as mine do, but maybe that middle of the day drop is affecting you? Maybe not? Hard to say and I'm not a doctor. I told mine very early on from starting E when she asked how I felt that in the middle of the day I felt a definite drop and by the end of the day felt terrible before the dose. I think she's planning on taking me down to 4mg once 2 years have passed, last visit she wanted me to stay on 6 for a bit longer because "we're making changes happen".

I don't want to tell you "YEAH GIRL GO AHEAD AND DO IT" because I don't know anything, all I can say is be patient and focus on voice/mannerisms/clothes/grooming/hair/etc.

And yeah Spiro sucks like that (although it clearly works for my body, since my T levels hit that low with a small dose pretty fast), I want to ask her about Bicalutamide next time we meet because I think it's also behind me having severe sinus/phlegm issues.

>>7918300
just fuckin leave

>>7922610
Spiro made me REALLY dizzy. Like fainting-tier dizzy. That's why I switched to Cypro.

I do tend to feel bad during the midday, actually I just noticed I do feel kinda better now 2 hours into my night dose.

This whole thing is confusing, I wish I had like girl best friend or something to help me through it lol.

I can't really work on clothes and makeup and stuff because I still live at home and all that stuff would be found. I do work on my voice pretty regularly though.

Here's a vocaroo I made like a week ago:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0XrUDErBNTG

>>7919227
are you me, except I am on hormones

Hormones definitely helped me though, I feel sad during the day and a boost after I take my pills, like a relief in my mind. Because T gives me huge amounts of anger and depression, the anger subsides and I feel release, and I feel like I can go and do things much easier than before. Like I have more energy. Lately I have been sad though, but it feels like real sadness and not the shell of what I was at my lowest a few months ago.

Honestly, take hormones and just look for signs of relief, happiness, basically positive emotional/mood benefits, that's when you can be more sure. I'm still fucking questioning of course because I can't "decide" on anything without full information. fucking hate myself

>>7921558
>why do I feel so different?

tfw I've been asking this question for 10 years and finally understand, also explains why I have always been drawn to LGBT but never gay/bi

>>7922626
It makes me dizzy for sure. So does the sinus medication I have to take and so does my inhaler for asthma. You get used to it. The worst thing for me was how Spiro caused me to have this "brain-fog" that made it kinda hard to think, really hard to focus. It took months but I eventually got used to that too. It's not gone, I can still feel it there when I try really hard to focus on something. It shows itself in weird ways, like I read things incorrectly now or make typos I never used to make. It's annoying, I miss that laser-like focus I used to have.

Yeah you know maybe it would be better? You're self-medding so maybe start small with like half a dose in the midday and see how you feel?

I feel you there, the only close person in my life is FtM so our experiences are similar but vastly different and he has no idea How-2-Girl.

Your voice is at a good start! It's a bit high/nasally, maybe work on dropping it a little, speaking slower. Don't forget that you need resonance and flow too. Whatever you do don't give up, don't get lazy, voice is a constant battle of improvement.

I can understand having a hard time with clothes and makeup. I had it easier because wearing some makeup and questionable clothes was something I always did and was seen as subculture attachment.

My advice from here is get a job and work on moving out with a friend or on your own. Don't be dumb like me and wait until you're 6 months in to start laser in case you also need 10 sessions like I did.

>>7922626
your voice is very nice

>>7922659
Aww I don't have one of those pill cutters though!

I'll see what I can do.

I'm really dumb and pluck my hair because having a shadow makes me dysphoric. I'm gonna have to wait unti I'm 10 months HRT to start laser. RIP.

I've been working on my voice forever but I have a teacher now so I can get tips and stuff! I just figured out how to get into head voice like last week so there's still a lot of work to be done but I feel like I'm starting to get a grasp on things.

>>7922697
Where there's a will there's a way.

Stop plucking your hairs, boymode until laser if you must. I know it sucks trust me, but do it.

That's a great feeling anon, I wish you good luck. Whatever you do, just stay on HRT.

This may come off as a silly question, but does anyone have any advice on how to find my sexuality again?
About 2 months into HRT and my libido just completely died. I'm a year into it now, and my sexuality shows no signs of coming back.
Perhaps it requires a different mindset than I'm used to? I'm not sure, but I kind of miss actually enjoying sexual things.
I have tried to masturbate quite a few times over the months, but I just don't feel as 'into it' as I used to, and it sometimes just feels like a chore to even try.

>>7922714
Have you started failing boymode?

That seems like something that would never happen to me.

I'm stop plucking, it'll make me feel awful but I know it makes laser easier. My dark hair and light skin is a plus too I heard.

>>7922715
No idea anon I'm 17mo in and still utterly broken. Attempts at masturbation are just efforts in frustration on the rare occasion I feel in the mood.

>>7922719
I stopped boymode at 12mo because it was getting so that it was worse to boymode than to try and pass. People were looking at me way harder in more ambiguous clothes. I got outed as MtF by some random person 5-6mo in while boymoding.

These days I mostly pass. I'm not stealth, if you scrutinize me you can tell. Gendered female by voice 100% of the time, I don't have any issues using the ladies room in public, usually get gendered female by customers I help at work but still get clocked sometimes. It sucks and I definitely have bad days, but everything has turned out better than I ever thought it would when I was 4mo in.

>>7922715
I went from masturbating multiple times a day to like once every four days. It's really weird.

>>7922732
Gosh I would really love to have that, even if it's not always 100%.

If you're like that one and a half years in then you'll probably be able to be completely stealth one year from one I would think.

I just look at things like my jaw and chin and nose and forehead and oh god my adam's apples and those 18 inch shoulders!

It makes it hard to think that anyone could look at me and see a woman. I know 4 months is nothing though, that's the only thing keeping me going.

>>7922740
I absolutely do not get "sir" anymore. Voice goes a long way, I've learned to speak before people have a chance to speak to me first, you can see the uncertainty on their face kinda just melt away. If you sound cis, most people will either just peg you as a fugly chick or not care that you're trans since you don't sound cringe. At least I assume? I don't get any problems though, not like I did early in.

I don't know that I'll ever be completely stealth but I appreciate the vote of confidence! I've been wrong before, maybe I'm just super hateful of my body image.

Adam's apple is a real killer, warm weather is coming and I'm desperately trying to find a way to hide it in the coming months since scarves will be out. Haven't been able to afford trachea shave yet.

The rest of that though, don't worry about it. I've got shoulders like you do and most women I meet that are my height are beefier with bigger shoulders than me. Don't let the memes here get to you too much. Use hair and proper clothing/accessories to de-emphasize shoulders.

>>7922715
Are you into girls or guys?

>>7922734
What's the change feel like?

>>7922760
I have a lot to learn but I hope that in August when I move to NYC I can start experimenting with things that I can't really do now.

How long did it take you to get your voice? I feel like I'm like almost a 1/4th of the way there but even now it feels really uncomfortable to hold it for very long. All my throat feels tight.

Did you go to a speech therapist? I'm taking classes with a trip on here that has a background in music since I don't have access to one here.

>>7922766
Bisexual for the most part, but I'm more attracted to feminine features than masculine.
Exceptions exist though.

>>7922732
>but still get clocked sometimes
How do you tell?

why dont qt girls post pics more

>>7922766
You know that feeling you get when you see a hot girl maybe online and you start getting antsy and fidgety? Or it's just "that time of day" and the urge comes in?

Imagine that has completely gone away to the point where you have to remind yourself to masturbate sometimes because if you don't then your genitalia will atrophy.

When I do get turned on it's much more subtle now. Before it was like "FUCK FUCK NEED TO FUCK NOOWWWW".

>>7922774
So do I anon, it's a long and difficult road. Just don't give up. Keep going, even if out of spite. People don't want us to exist, so do it because fuck them.

It took me forever to learn to stop pitching it so high, I didn't feel totally confident in it until around 14 months in. Even though I get good ratings in the voice threads here it's obvious I still need work from the advice given, so that's what I mean in that you can never let up. Practice practice practice. Keep sharpening it.

No speech therapy, just this stubbornness, self-loathing, tears, and this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/1ske7b/mtf_voice_training_regimen/

>>7922781
There's a change in their facial expression in demeanor. There's a sudden wall there where at first they were open to you like people tend to be with women, or in the case with men they suddenly clam up. It's a palpable feeling of >Oh shit I think that might be a trans

>>7922808
>There's a sudden wall there where at first they were open to you like people tend to be with women, or in the case with men they suddenly clam up.
That sucks. How much more open are they when they're talking to a woman than a man? Weird that it's just men who clam up.

>>7922808
Oh god that freaking guide was the bane of existence for months.

I'm like almost at the point where I am read stuff for more than a few seconds without feeling like an idiot and stopping.

Once I get to that point I think I'll be able to get better just by reading passages and adjusting things.

God this is a lot of stuff just to feel normal. It feels like the odds are against us a lot of the time.

I appreciate the nice words though, you've brought me out of my funk a bit

>>7922816
Well what I mean is that when you start passing, women smile at you (and you by then you have this weird urge to smile back, I never used to smile at people and now I can't help it, but it's only with women) and will talk very openly with you. They'll compliment you on your clothes or your hair or your jewelry or something, make idle chit-chat. Because they see you as a women that's okay to do, does that make sense? Remember that most people operate in that binary way of "women talk to women but not to men because you don't want to be perceived as flirting" and vice-versa. You'll find guys just flat-out don't talk to you (and often talk down to you) unless they like you or are outright flirting with you (because men assume women don't give a shit about their interests, and again "men talk to men but not to women because they might think you're trying to flirt").

It might seem shitty but this is the general social dynamic of cis people I've found.

>>7922834
>Because they see you as a women that's okay to do, does that make sense?
Yup. I'm not transitioning so I'm a bit sad I'll never get that.

>>7922822
The guide makes no bones about how hard it is and I appreciate that, because it's fucking hard but it works. Whoever wrote that guide knew what they were talking about, and I thank them from the bottom of my heart for saving me from sounding like a cartoon character or a gay dude.

I know it's a lot and it seems like an endless struggle, even still where I'm looking from. I'm glad it all helped anon, I hope you keep at it. You're young, you'll make it. Maybe you won't be pretty, that all depends, but you'll make it.

It's just like anything in life, you gotta really want it. We don't get a choice to stop wanting, so you might as well try. Helping people like you that are starting out is why I still come here, I otherwise dislike this board. But I remember how much I needed the encouragement, too.

>>7922843
Have a good night anon.

Hopefully I run into you again some time in the future.

>>7922848
You too anon, stay safe!

Who knows, maybe we will.

>>7922843
>Helping people like you that are starting out is why I still come here, I otherwise dislike this board. But I remember how much I needed the encouragement, too.
I'm not the anon you were talking to, but those are really kind words. We need more people like you in the world. Thank you for trying to help others.

am i safe here

My god, this thread is really starting to move.

>>7919104
Your post was attention whory, and you seemingly were hoping we'd connect you to your trip.

Feeling so low tonight. I just want the ride to stop. Like 17 months in, but it still doesn't feel like things are getting easier.

>>7923235
Anything in particular that's hard?
Dared to do any "progress" kind of things?

does anybody know places that sell gaffes online and ship to australia? I don't want to tape and while my homemade gaffe *works* it is annoying and I want some comfy form fitting pantsu

>>7921558
>I find the thing that's put an answer to the question "Why do I feel so different?" only to realize that I started too late.
Iktf. Why the fuck does a few years make such a huge difference?

New thread

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>>7923501
Bad thread, forgot name of it.

This one
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>>7922648
I think getting on hormones is a good idea even if I decide to change my mind later. If I fail or succeed I'll just embrace that and move on. Worst case scenario is being a future femboy with boobs and that's not the worst.

Like you said, T gives you anger and depression which are very limiting emotions. I want to feel more than the emotionless husk that I am right now and I think hormones is probably going to help a lot. Thanks for the motivation even if you aren't fully decided.

>>7918662
15 year old cis girls are fucking vicious. they'll put a bullet in each others brains soon enough, then nobody will be laughing at you