/hoplessgen/

>>7733198
>>>/r9k/

>>7733206
1. this is the correct place
2. they ban you at r9k for posting anything lgbt now

>pity pass

this doesn't exist except in liberal areas.

>>7733198
Can FTMs go here if their bodies are feminine enough?

>>7733226
all the more reason why whining that you "only get pity passed" is retarded

>>7733248
Of course. You guys are responsible for coming up with your own list of requirements for counting as hopeless.

>ywn meet even one of the ftm hopeless requirements list

>>7733248
FTMs are never hopeless because testosterone is literal magic

>>7733198
>at least 6' tall
>at least size 11 womens' shoes
>at least 17" wide shoulders
>at most 12" wide hips
What these numbers mean?

>>7733198
Feel guy in OPs pic would probably be able to make it just fine.

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>will LITERALLY never be able to pass with deep as fuck voice

Oh well, at least I sometimes get ma'amed before I open my mouth

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>>7733426
You could at least try voice training. Singing is easiest, reach that telephone beep frequency and leave the bass, you can do it, it might just take long.

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>26
>6'1
>size 11.5-12
>17.5" shoulders
>11" hips
>never passed

>tfw almost 2 months into hrt and people are avoiding gendering me if I dont speak first

life is good

@7733426
>get ma'amed before I open my mouth
that's called passing retard

>>7733426
work on your voice then, if thats the only thing holding you back
you have no excuse because it's one of the things that you can actually change
you basically choose to be an unpassing hon

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>mfw I look at myself in the mirror

>>7733198
I feel like the requirements are too strict. Even 16 was too late for me. It's been years now and life is still hell.

>tfw 16" shoulders but only 14" hips
>tfw tower over your female relatives
>tfw only b cup boobs
>tfw can still only see a boy in the mirror

>>7734160
Oh god.

>>7733312
you'll still get called a Klinefelter's manlet even if you grow a beard and have a deep voice.

>>7734167
Learn to read faggot
>if you don't meet these requirements you are not welcome in this thread, no matter how "hopeless" you feel

>>7734160
They don't even look that bad. That may not be a woman's body, but it's not a man's body either. They'll be fine after hrt.

>>7734255
You can still be an objectively hopeless hon without those stats though

>>7734277
Learn to read.

>>7733198
I feel sort of lucky.
Nearly 28 still not on mones waiting to be seen but

Look femmine i either come off as androgynous or she.

Im 5 foot somthing im small person.
I've feminine hands even smaller than a female friend of mine.

Have a round femmine face.

Already have boobs due to talking PM.

Have pretty big butt and hips sort makes me think i have some sort of intersex condition.

Only negatives is the size of my nose although my bf says there is nothing wrong with it.

Have slight male pattern balding although its pretty much the same as my mother's and my long hair tends to cover it.

Feet are a little big.

Not even on mones and still pretty passable.

>>7734699
You'll definitely be fine if you start now.

>>7734751

Also forget to added i look like a teen/early 20s its lucky genetics i guess.

I hope i do i wasn't meant to transistion at 20 but got a hardcore Christian therapist that basically pushed me not to( i was also deeply brainwashed into Christianity at the time so i tried to repress untill i escaped Christianity, i took a spiritual journey that lead me to finally not hate and repress and allow me to accept im trans.


The waiting system in the uk can take over 10 months, its free but fucking hell.

>>7734699
Get the fuck out of this thread.

>>7734883
*triggered* ?

alright then.

25 years of age
6'0"
Size 9 shoes
19" shoulders
14" hips
Been called ma'am once in my life in a walmart when my hair reached my hips while my back was turned to someone

Am I welcome here?

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>>7733312
pic related was 5 years on t when this pic was taken and started at 17 (and didn't even have particularly bad stats)
some people are just fucked

>>7735203
and? you look like a dude. most dudes look like that, not chad

>>7735203
You look exactly like a normal guy.. If you didn't say you were FtM I never would have known, never ever.

You look exactly like every single man in his younger 20s

>>7735203
You look like a guy whose pants are too high up.

>>7735326
>>7735338
i'm not that picture, that's a detransitioner
she passed less than half the time without facial hair, and still not constantly with, *before* stopping t -- and i knew her back then, so i can confirm that fact

https://discord.gg/XCtt4jG

since we can't do shit about invaders here. passers will be banned on sight

>>7735203
Looked at the pic before reading the post. I thought you were gonna complain about never being a grrl

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>tfw 6' and inverted triangle
at least my f-face is ok...

>>7735647
if it cis female tier inverted triangle that pretty good desu. I'm like halfway between rectangle and inverted triangle with zero waist definition.
6' here also

>>7734973
This thread isn't for you. Get the fuck out.

>>7734160
They edited out the bit where they fantasise about the underwear transforming them into a beautiful woman. That's the whole fucking point of the comic.

>>7733198

>didn't start HRT before 24
Ehh try before 20. Better luck next time.
>6ft
Honestly could be worse I'm 5'10 and pass great.
>11 women's
Again, bad but not BAD
>17" shoulders
Ummm 16 is the average for females and 18 is the average for males.
>12"hips
Good game

>>7734160
>>7734277
You are talking about a stick person... The stick person is not trying to pass, they are just upset at their perception of self.

Stop hugboxing an imaginary stick person. You are beyond hope lawl

>>7736172
Post the original

>male pattern baldness
>28
>5"11
>broad chest
>flat eyebrows from big brow bone.

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>>7734160
>>7736920
The original

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>living in Russia
get on my level

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>>7733198
I want to die lol

>>7734834
Ten months is fine, it was total one year from psychologist referral to hormone prescription for me in Sweden, did not feel bad that year because I knew things were getting better.

>>7735203
This is definitely a guy, good job!

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>>7733198
>did not start hrt before age 24
I didnt get on a proper hormone regimen untill I was 28. Get on my level
>at least 6' tall
...ok you got me there, im 5'6
>at least size 11 womens' shoes
Size 12
>at least 17" wide shoulders
17.5"
>at most 12" wide hips
How are you measuring that? my hips around are 55.5'

Honestly, Op, your probably not that bad.
Stop throwing yourself a pity party. You are probably not the worst out there.

>>7737522
Do you pass?
I'm 28 too, I have been on repression mode because everyone says after 24 there's just no way to pass.

>>7737526
It's more about genes, I started HRT at 24, but basically did not change in looks at all in the six years before that. I'm doing fine.

>>7737522
>How are you measuring that?
the 12" measurement comes from measuring across in the way you do shoulders, as opposed to around like hips usually are

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>>7737526
Intermittently.
I dont normally because of the place Im at. I do sometimes to guests though but the people I work with as far as i know dont suspect me being trans. I also dont try to pass here to prevent problems. I dont really know outside of Wyoming. Passing is more about genetic luck than when you start.
This activist I learned about transitioned in her mid to late 30s and she looks fucking hot.

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>>7737541
Guess there's no way of knowing it then.
Time to continue repressing, maybe start lifting.

>>7737545
Why would you measure like that?
it doesnt seem like you could get an accurate measurement that way.
If I tried that Id have like 24' wide hips.

>be me an already late transitioning trans mtf started at 26
>hit 27 at the 5 months mark
>heard the 5 to 6 months marks is when people started passing or getting androgynous
>super excited I hit the mile stone
>get sir'ed all the time still all my friends still treat me like a effeminate guy
>get extremely depressed and suicidal over passing transwoman and throw out my hormones and clothes in a fit of rage and sadness
>get a job around transphobic family members because I believe I will be fine now and be able to repress.
>two days later am extremely dysphoric and have panic attack that makes me throw up
>I don't want to be a man
>and the cycle continues

I won't be 29 or 30 until I try again probably. The thing is I look younger for my age and some people mistaken me for ftm pre hrt and post but how fucked am I really due to my age???

>>7737763
Just continue, you obviously need it.

>>7737763
>>heard the 5 to 6 months marks is when people started passing or getting androgynous
this isn't even true for trans men, let alone trans women
t. trans man, 7 months on t, early transitioner (took blockers for 2.5 years before starting t, not underage), extremely androgynous and able to pass pre-t, have barely changed in any way these past seven months

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>tfw started getting tits just one month in with too low estrogen dosage

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should i just shoot myself now ?


I have a gun, I'm never going to pass even if I did get on hormones

>>7737368
luv u robin

>>7735370
yeah the guys that can't pass without facial hair are less fortunate but if they can grow it then they should just keep it even if it looks disgusting like pic related

also they're not wearing a packer so that's their own fault and the pic is really bad like angle wise and also they were just hiking

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>>7737763
Here's a piece of honest advice: stop visiting these boards.

Threads like this will get into your head and make you feel hopeless. Why surround yourself in negativity when you already feel like shit?

Forget this "hon" crap. I started at ten years ago 17 but I fullfill every other of OP's "requirements". And I don't give a shit,though the culture in my country/city is different so I don't even know if I pass. Still, I'd never give up on who I am because of other people.

>>7737945
How do you know? Pics?

>>7737763
Don't be discouraged. The 5-6 months mark is for younger people. You'll take longer, but you can still get there.

>>7737763
In all seriousness, dont worry about passing. Not right now when you obviously need hormones for your mental health. Get on them and dont stop.
Ive honestly kinda given up on trying to pass for right now myself until I get my head in order. You take this stuff for more than to just look a certain way.
Your age plays less of a factor than you think. Its more genetics, really.

>>7735370
>detransitioner

ftms are a different species.

>>7733198
I fit almost all those requirements except I pass 5 months into HRT.

Its not just that I transitioned late, but also apparently that your average person sees black women as looking like men anyway; not to mention Im physically not attractive even by black peoples standards. Because of all of that I kind of just gave up on passing. I still take hormones because I dont want to be feel like shit, i just sort of keep myself locked away from normies and none honMonsters.

>>7739519
>Your age plays less of a factor than you think. Its more genetics, really.

Eh, at a certain point it becomes really hard, but yeah, age of transitioning is way overrated in these communities. Some girls have no chance of passing without ffs and a PhD in fashion and makeup even if they start HRT before 20.

who here /passing/
feels good ladies

my voice is deep but i have a slight girly fiqure, short and a big butt. but my hair lines slightly starting to recede. im 24 but look under 20 do i still have a chance?

>>7740184
Get on HRT to stop hairline recession and possibly grow some back. Take finasteride too to be sure even though if you block testosterone production/action you should block enough dihydrotestosterone production/action (which is what causes male pattern baldness).

Voice can be trained.

Short with a girlish figure is good even if it's slight; better than overtly manly like most people at this age.

@7740184
wrong thread fagoto

>>7740215
i want my dick still to work though

>>7740184
>short

Congratulations, you're going to pass after enough work

>>7740184
literally me
But I guess butt and slightly girly figure in my case are probably because I'm chubby
and hairs are more than slightly receeding now
and my body is hairy as fuck
just kill me

>>7737221
Thank you

>>7739568
what about us is different? i've met my share of mtftm detransitioners as well

I'll never pass (man bod down boots) but honestly I am attractive and my face is considered very feminine so that's nice. Like androgyny is enough for me and quite frankly anything other than sports bras are weird to me.

>>7742121
learn to dress for your shape. Alternatively, move to the south. Ive seen some terrible man bodied women when I used t live there and holy shit, most "nonpassers' are like fucking models compared to these broads.

>>7741148
i've gone through phases of being slightly chubby but at the moment my stomach is smaller than its been years. I just have wide hips and a big butt

>did not start hrt before age 24
check
>at least 6' tall
check
>at least size 11 womens' shoes
check
>at least 17" wide shoulders
check
>at most 12" wide hips
check
>has never passed (not even "pity passed")
Women are especially ugly where i live so i'm getting out of this thread.

>>7740459
It will still work. You'll just get erections somewhat less easily and they won't be as hard usually. The more often you get erections the less they'll be affected. Unless you're talking about ejaculating, which will stop eventually, though you can bank sperm if the infertility is what's bothering you about that. The HRT has all the other benefits too.

Taking just finasteride won't affect your dick at all.

>>7743241
>penis will work
>lists numerous way it doesn't

>>7743265
>getting erections less often and not getting absolutely rock hard as often is not working

It still works entirely when you're aroused, like way more than cis men with erectile dysfunction. It basically has no impact at all. I guess you lose the ability to give facials or whatever but fundamentally it's okay, and it's worth considering whether the tradeoff is worth it for the other effects of HRT.

>>7743265
Spontaneous erections were the fucking bane of my existence, there's nothing good about them, it's just your body wanting you to look like a disgusting pervert in completely non-erotic situations.
Just starting testosterone blockers and getting rid of those was so liberating. It's like, if you want to use it, it's easy to get hard because you're actively trying to stimulate yourself like any other occasion where the time was right before.
As is, my sex drive just vanished completely, I fap like twice a month or something, and it usually just feels like I'm cleaning the systems, or whatever.

i don't want to think
i don't want to exist
i don't want to be anything

>>7743404
You don't want to be a girl?

>5" 10.5'
>Size 11 women's shoes at minimum
>16.5" wide shoulders
>13" wide hips

How bad am I?

>tfw cis girl
>tfw sit and laugh

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>>7743963
You aren't welcome here
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>7733198
https://discord.gg/8fU2Tmn

come visit gay general

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>>7743963
fucking casual

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Tfw no pass

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>>7733198
>Started too late to feasibly pass without any surgery due to some family related stuff.
>Broke ass college student which means I can't afford any surgery, and I mean ANY.
>Too much of a hon to become a sex worker to afford anything.

I wish there was a marked for turbo hons out there, I would even let creepy old men do me if I could afford FFS / etc after a couple of times.

Stop that shit bout age, I started at 14 and still look awful and have fucking low voice.

>>7743404
What are your measurements? I'm sure it's not as bad as you think.
>>7744052
>college student
You sound young. How is it too late? Unless your genetics are just absolutely garbage.

>>7744264
>How is it too late?
I got in late because I used to live with my mom and it was in the middle of bum fuck nowhere.

25 now and I still need 4 semesters to finish it.

And my genetics are garbage I need tons of money else I won't pass, will need implants, jaw, eyebrows, you get the idea...

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>>7744290
>eyebrows
>not just having bangs

>>7744311
Trannybangs have the same clocking potential as a jay leno chin.

I would stay away from trannybangs, everyone knows you're a tranny if you have it.

Who else here /bigpointychin/?

>>7744264
6 ft 1
185 lbs
19.5 inch shoulders
40 inch chest w/o boobs
37 inch waist
39 inch hips
27.5 inch head circumference (from when my hair was really short)

>>7747314
I have a small chin but a fairly wide jaw =/

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>6'7''
>size 15 shoes (men)
>big monster hands
> deep ass voice
pls don't bully
am I hopeless or can I be a cute animu girl in 2 years

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>>7750818

>>7750818
>>6'7''
I'm sorry Anon, but ciswomen literally so not EVER grow that tall. You can't do anything about this, it's hopeless.

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>>7733198
Who here /detrans/
HRT for almost 4 years and achieved nothing

>>7733225
Good.

>>7750818
you sound hot anon

Hotter if you are a bottom

>>7749398
I'm the exact opposite. Feminine jaw, chin not too long downwards, but it points out.

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>>7750818
I guess you might have a chance? At the very least try hormones. If you have a decent enough face and good genetics you might be able to pull a miracle. Then again, tall women make me HOT so there's a conflict of interest there.

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>>7734160

>>7734277
>They don't even look that bad. That may not be a woman's body, but it's not a man's body either. They'll be fine after hrt.
KEK

10/10

>>7736904
So irony must not be a thing where you come from huh?