Good evening my gay and trans brothers. I feel it is time to

>>7685066
Instinctively I want to agree with you but with an exemption for bi cis women.

>>7685098
Oh, do bi cis women have some needs that need addressing? I feel like bi cis women are even less needed in the lgbt movement as no one really ever discriminates against them and hold all the same privileges as straight cis women.

>>7685112
That's just my instinctive response. I can't think of a rational need for them to be included, like something needing addressing, any more than other cis women or cishet guys.

>>7685066
yes we need women to procreate to perpetuate the movement brother

We forget that women teach mtfs how to be women

>>7685164
Also we need them to be our butch girlfriends after we can't open pickle jars. But I guess trans men can also do that.

Should cis women drop their support for fags and trannies and convince straight cis white males to send them all to the camps again?

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There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

>>7685185
>>7685164
>>7685154
I am not saying we don't need women on earth. I am saying we do not need women within the LGBT movement. That they would better serve as allies because they have no problems that need to be addressed and only act to impede and police the gay men and trans people that actually have issues.

>>7685192
ughhh go to /his/ or /x/ to talk about your Semitic War God. I'm a gay pagan, and nothing you say will get me to become a christian

>>7685191
So you are saying we should put lesbians at the front of the L-GBT not because they have issues but because we don't want them to be against us, like the feminists of the 70's? That is like saying we need white people as the heads of the BLM movement so whites will be nice to blacks.

>>7685164
I'd rather learn from ftms, thanks.
t. mtf

>>7685210
"It's not about separation it's about the population"

I think it would be better not to alienate others and cause divisions in one's endeavors

....there are all kinds of different people out there, both male and female

Jesus is the Most High
God, He is the God of gods, even the fairy spirits know who He is

>>7685233
that's basically what blm does by letting all those whities in their protests

>>7685288
The difference between 'L'GBT and things like BLM and feminism is that we have actual legitimate social issues that society needs to address.

>>7685288
But the white people don't claim to be black, they are allies. Cis women can be allies without taking space in the movement.

Do cis women have any legitimate social issues that need addressing in the sphere of the lgbt?

>>7685315
So what exactly is happening to gay men that doesn't happen to lesbians?

>>7685325
>Corrective rape
>Lesbians are still victims of hate crimes
>Pretty much all legal issues treat gay men and lesbians the same
>Discrimination

>>7685325
>Do cis women have any legitimate social issues
FTFY

>>7685330
>>7685330
Gay men are target for hate crimes more than blacks, lations and muslims combined. The health care system is failing gay black men with 87% of gay blacks 13-25 having HIV (by the way prevention of HIV through prep is cheaper than managing black gays when they get sick). Gays are still almost as likely as trans women to be kicked out of their homes. Gay men receive longer sentences when convicted of a crime. Not addressing the gay issues literally means death for many gay men.

>>7685344
Corrective rape is not really a thing, it is just something lesbians like to pretend is a thing so they can play oppression. Show me the statistic on corrective rape there are far more men in gay conversion camps being shocked or made to vomit.

Lesbians are rarely targets of hate crimes and most "hate crimes" turn out to be fake and fabricated where it was the lesbian who actually spraypainted her house/car, left the nasty message on her facebook/bill/door/car window, or there were never actually any one hitting her like she said.

I really wish I could face the kind of discrimination that lesbians face, its like diet discrimination you can cry to your friends about how hard it is without actually having to face any violence.

>>7685347
Wait a second, feminism says that the class of people who are most protected, have the most access to education, and live the highest standard of life are really the ones who are oppressed. Feminist wouldn't just lie about that to forge a social narrative would they?

>>7685429
You got sauces on all that?
Also, you realize lesbians are sent to those same gay conversion camps, right?

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>>7685429
>Gay men are target for hate crimes more than blacks, lations and muslims combined.

Source?
Because this sounds like you just pulled it out of your ass.

>>7685429
>I really wish I could face the kind of discrimination that lesbians face

wow. you are literally a moron.
there are no words.

>>7685488
It's blatantly wrong.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-hate-crime-statistics-available

>>7685488
Well, OP is right in that gay men experience hate crimes at a much higher rate than lesbians, but acting like lesbians have literally no issues at all is not helpful.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2015/topic-pages/victims_final

>Of the 1,263 victims targeted due to sexual-orientation bias:
>62.2 percent were victims of crimes motivated by their offenders’ anti-gay (male) bias.
>13.5 percent were victims of anti-lesbian bias.

>>7685330

physical fitness

Right now there is a riot at UC Berkley because a gay man dared to not toe the feminist party line.

>>7685112
>no one really ever discriminates against them
lol ok
I've seen bi chicks get more shit than lesbians

>>7685548
>I've seen bi chicks get more shit than lesbians
you mean from lesbians right?

>>7685548
>i haven't seen it therefore it must not be happening

are you 12?

>>7685545
>because a gay man dared to not toe the feminist party line.

is that really the reason?

>>7685573
Seeing is believing. Santa taught me that.

>>7685429
>Lesbians fabricate corrective rapes
>Lesbians don't get murdered
>Lesbians don't face violence

>Fucking roasties making up shit so us REAL victims will feel sorry for them REEEEEEEE

Please go back to >>>/r9k/

>>7685578
Milo Yiannopoulos is alt right as all fuck. His being gay has nothing to do with it.

>>7685592
>Alt right
>Defined by white nationalism and antisemitism

Milo is a racemixng jew my man

>>7685676
He's a self-declared libertarian.

>>7685676
Milo is a disruptor.
He is paid to disrupt, agitate and divide the LGBT movement.

He is a fraud.
A Greek Jew who bleaches his hair in order to seem Aryan.
An attention-seeking whore who has no morality other than to increase likes and subscribers.
Only a fool would take anything he said seriously.

>>7685066
Isn't that pic from the comic where the writer actually thinks gays insult bisexuals by calling them switcheroos?

We need death camps and gas chambers for the following:

1) hons = trans dykes = straight men who ate too much estogenated soy

2) (((OP)))

3) that annoying lez on CNN

You lost me at all your concern for niggers, OP. They get HIV at such high rates because they're a race of impulsive idiots, and white people can't fucking fix that. Nor do I desire to try to roll that bolder up a mountain. You want to fix gay black HIV rates, try fixing Negro IQs first. At least eugenics is a doable, concrete solution to the underlying problem - "awareness campaigns" and "medical access" sure as fuck aren't going to fix a damn thing.

Really, is this whole thread a troll?

You can't draw any real conclusions from "hate crime" data anyway, since LEOs are under heavy pressure to just sorta not count it as a hate crime if the perpetrator is a minority, or the victim is not (or less "oppressed").

E.g. attacking an Asian is a hate crime if you're white, not if you're black or Hispanic

Attacking a lesbian is a hate crime if you're white...if you're black or Hispanic, I bet it's iffy.

It's almost NEVER a hate crime to attack a white for anything.

Etc.

Yeah, hate crime data is worthless. Especially if they're a more "protected" group, the crimes will be inflated compared to crimes against others.

>>7685429
>Corrective rape is not really a thing

Read what some older lesbians have to say about when LEOs could kick down doors to gay bars and do what they wanted. Lesbians most certainly got correctively raped, especially the butches.

That's obviously not a thing now, but I bet it does happen to some individual lesbians. Though that's no more or less fucked up than any other reason for rape.

>>7685592
No, he's not. He's SAID he's not, and he barely agrees with any major alt-right planks (ethnonationalism, white nationalism, anti-semitism, you might count anti-gay positions, traditionalism, etc.). You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

I'd tell you to stop applying obviously wrong labels to shit, but I know you're not going to stop.

>>7685689
There's actually almost no evidence that he's really Jewish. He's probably just saying it, thb.

>>7685445
>Feminist wouldn't just lie about that to forge a social narrative would they?
You wouldn't? Oh right, you wouldn't, because you believe in honor and integrity and shit and don't see yourself as part of a bloc with the rest of your gender that needs to extort concessions from society.

>>7685488
>>Gay men are target for hate crimes more than blacks, lations and muslims combined.
Retard, those people are the ones committing the hate crimes against gay men.

You know in Europe mtfs and gay men can get harassed and even attacked in the street? Last year a gang of "Germans" tried to stone two mtfs after "discovering" they weren't cis.

>>7685721
you do NOT understand my peoples suffering

however we are reclaiming the slur 'switcheroo' and making it our own

>>7685801
>You can't draw any real conclusions from "hate crime" data anyway,
THIS. Most of the lesbian 13.5% of anti-gay hate crimes were probably some feminist overhearing a man say "lezzo" on a bus.

Remember that reported "crimes" are often simply what the police filed a phone call as, no conviction or even arrest.

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>>7685801
>eugenics is a doable, concrete solution to the underlying problem
You want to create the UBERNIGGER?

I say you're a madman.

>>7685344
>>7685429
>Corrective rape
Obviously she's talking about third world shitholes like Africa and the Middle East. In places like that there is a legitimate reason for cis women, specifically lesbians, to be part of the LGBT.

But of course the LGBT movement in the civilized world doesn't have to just duplicate its imitators and define itself the same way they do.

>>7685841
Here's a specific breakdown for the FBI data cited earlier. Simply take intimidation out.
>https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2015/tables-and-data-declarations/4tabledatadecpdf

>Crimes with anti-gay (male) bias, no intimidation: 614
>Crimes with anti-lesbian bias, no intimidation: 130

If we look at the most serious crimes, murder and rape:

>Gay men, 1 murders, 1 rape
>Lesbians, no murders, 2 rapes

And if we combine aggravated and simple assault:
>Gay men, 437 assaults
>Lesbians, 97 assaults

So it looks like the closest conclusion to what OP said is that gay men are 4 times as likely to get assaulted than lesbians, which is still a pretty far cry from lesbians never have any problems ever.

>>7685889
>she doesn't know about the FBI's biased rape definitions

>>7685902
The legacy definition is indeed biased as shit, but I used the data from the revised definition for both genders.

>In 2013, the FBI UCR Program initiated the collection of rape data under a revised definition and removed the term “forcible” from the offense name. The UCR Program now defines rape as follows:
>Rape (revised definition): Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim. (This includes the offenses of rape, sodomy, and sexual assault with an object as converted from data submitted via the National Incident-Based Reporting System [NIBRS].)
>Rape (legacy definition): The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will.

>>7685889
Feminist lobbying forced the FBI to change their rape definitions so that it arbitrarily rules out any other kind of rape than being unwillingly sexually penetrated, skewing the stats.

why the fuck is anyone bothering to argue here? you're not going to convince of the other side of anything.

>>7685908
Are you just trolling at this point or are you legitimately too retarded to see the sexism in the current definition?

>>7685908
>Rape (revised definition): Penetration
what about envelopment?

>>7685920
she's probably of the "erection is consent" mindset. after all, she is a dyke, so she probably has no experience with dicks whatsoever. i still don't think it'd be statistically significant though.

>>7685908
>drunk man and woman have sex
>she was drunk so it's rape
>gang of female thugs assault man and repeatedly force scissors into his anus (this actually happened recently)
>scissors aren't a sex organ, this wasn't rape
t. FBI and lesbian ITT

>>7685935
>she's probably of the "erection is consent" mindset.
When is feminism going to get around to teaching women about consent?

Probably too busy complaining about pink razors costing a cent more.

>>7685942
actually, that's covered by penetration by object. it's envelopment that's not covered.
i don't if it's happened, but that means if a bunch of women kidnapped a gay dude, force fed him viagra to get him erect and took turns riding on his dick to "straighten him out", that wouldn't count.

>>7685956
this would be rape culture if men could be raped.

>>7685857
Nah. I'm just saying, you know, IF you wanted to actually help them...that would be the way to go about it.

Not this, "woe, they have it so hard, mo' money" shit.

>>7685942
>gang of female thugs assault man and repeatedly force scissors into his anus (this actually happened recently)

Jesus fucking christ.

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http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Wiki
Why is this a thing

>>7685164
I thought you already were women.

>>7685973
>actually, that's covered by penetration by object. it's envelopment that's not covered.
objects count except in the mouth.

>i don't if it's happened, but that means if a bunch of women kidnapped a gay dude, force fed him viagra to get him erect and took turns riding on his dick to "straighten him out", that wouldn't count.
it means any equivalent situations, like one party being drunk, one party being underage, or one party being coerced/pressured/threatened only count if the woman is the victim.

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Isn't that what feminism is for? I'm talking like feminism that doesn't take it to an extreme and would like to see all white people killed. LGBT for LGBT people and Feminism for cis women and and any women.

>>7690487
OP wants to exclude lesbians and bi women if they're cis, but otherwise, yeah, you'd be right.

>>7690487
>I'm talking Islam that doesn't bomb people, just the moderate Islam that breeds the future bombers and doesn't turn them in and would happily vote them into power

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>>7690524
You can't just think of things as black and white. There's more gray area than people like to think of.

>>7690533
Yes, there are expressions for that. Collaboration, complicitness, enabling.

These are all present in the so-called moderate versions of both ideologies.

>>7690533
For the love of Christ, wake up. Their Prophet was a murderous warlord with a little girl for a bride! It's pretty fucking black and white.

>>7690626
He had a man killed for apostasy and then killed the man's slaves for singing satirical songs about him.

>>7690626
But that obviously doesn't apply to Feminism >>7690487 which was founded for fairness and equity between men and women. The only problem there is how some people interpret feminism and misuse the name, leading to people with actual legitimate gripes against that thinking they are on the same side as actual anti-feminists.

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>>7690739
>fairness and equity between men and women
Not possible. I'm sorry.

>>7690858
What do you mean? Do pay attention to the difference between equity and "equality".