/repgen/ - Repression General

I'm afab doing so called "natural transition."
I'll never socially transition, but at least I can feel a bit better about my body.

>>7607872
>natural transition
What is this? The HRT while staying closeted?

For me the social transition is what I really want more than the body.

>>7607878
It's an ftm thing where you transition without taking T by blocking E and boosting your body's natural androgens with various supplements. I'm doing it so I can stay in the closet. T is too strong to hide the effects for long. I'd obviously prefer to just come out and take T but it isn't worth losing my family over, not yet anyway.

>For me the social transition is what I really want more than the body.
Well then getting a bf who treats you like a woman should help a lot I hope.
I might look into that too. At least one person would see you as the right gender.

>>7607901
>It's an ftm thing where you transition without taking T by blocking E and boosting your body's natural androgens with various supplements.
What are the effects compared to actually taking T? Maybe it's vaguely like femboy HRT substitutes like soy and herbs.

>Well then getting a bf who treats you like a woman should help a lot I hope.
>I might look into that too. At least one person would see you as the right gender.
I'm really hopeful that it will help me feel comfortable.

Do you like guys or girls? I wonder if it's easier for natal females to find lesbians who will treat them like straight men or straight guys who will treat them like gay boyfriends.

For natal males it's definitely going to be easier to get a gay bf who treats me like a girl than a girl willing to treat her bf like a lesbian gf. Good thing I like boys.

>>7607936
The effects are basically the same from what I've read - deeper voice, male fat distribution, better muscle building, possibly some facial/body hair growth. It's just not as strong so the results are less drastic and more gradual.
I like girls and I think it would probably be easier to find a queer girl to treat me as a guy than a straight guy, but I don't really know.
Anyway good luck finding a bf.

>tfw cringe when friends refer to me as a girl because i dont deserve it
>tfw feel bad when friends dont include me when talking about girls

>>7608203
Why don't you deserve it?

Why don't they include you when talking about girls if you're out to them?

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Repressing ftm from last thread reporting in

>>7607936
>What are the effects compared to actually taking T?
pretty shit on average, possibly even increases estrogen and definitely sometimes fucks your liver
a couple people succeed to a greater or lesser degree with it, but even then guys who natural transition for two years with the best possible results on it turn out about the same as a guy six months on t
t. ftm

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>>7608298
to make my point clearer, this is a trans guy two years into natural transition
i'm six months into a shitty dose of t (admittedly with several years of blockers before it) and look better than that
i looked androgynous before t, but so did he

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I'm glad I have the bf when I'm down or distressed

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Sort of new to this. Been repressing a long time but recently wigged the absolute fuck out because I wasn't doing it right I guess. Now I'm forced to face this and I don't know what to do.
I'm MtF and hit puberty ages ago so it's not like I can transition. 18" shoulders and 16" waist, 21 years old. Recently took up drinking but it doesn't help nearly as much as I had expected it to.
Strongly considering HRT, already diagnosed with GD by therapist after breakdown. My biggest concern is it'll take me from a depressed and unattractive man to a slightly less depressed unattractive man with weird booblets, a shrunken penis and missing balls. Not exactly a catch and I really don't want to die alone. I'm bi but strongly favor women and feminine men so my market would not be great considering I would effectively have no genitalia.
I absolutely won't kill myself so that's off the table. Not really sure what else I can do though. Just put one foot in front of theother until I die alone anyways?

>>7608394
the way you describe it, you wouldn't be losing much social status anyway even if through some horrific anti-miracle you turn out worse than anyone on susan's place
and regarding that, /tttt/ is fatally wrong about age in some ways -- transitioning past puberty is not fun, but even the unluckiest and most fucked over early 20s transitioner will turn out a lot better than the hons on susans or (to a lesser degree, given the average transition age there is markedly younger than susans) reddit
a lot happens from your mid-twenties on in terms of masculinization and the body also gets far less responsive to the effects of changing the sex hormone it runs on

>>7608394
>Sort of new to this. Been repressing a long time but recently wigged the absolute fuck out because I wasn't doing it right I guess. Now I'm forced to face this and I don't know what to do.

No your aren't. Do what I do.

Take a break. And run through the wall. Again and again.

I've had multiple breakdown. I just embrace them and ride them out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T55vZAITLI8

>>7608425
>a lot happens from your mid-twenties on in terms of masculinization and the body also gets far less responsive to the effects of changing the sex hormone it runs on
kill me

>>7608425
I mean, I know others have it worse, but that really doesn't improve my situation. I'll still be a hon, even if not a turbohon.
Social status means little to me. I'd be hemmoraging sexual market value though, further increasing my odds of dyig alone from 90% to 99.8%.
>/tttt/
Eh?

>>7608431
I don't think I can do that. I nearly killed myself this time. Well I did it but someone found me and got me to the hospital before I actually finished dying.

>>7608435
note the 'mid-twenties on', not 'as soon as you hit 25 you're fucked and may as well kys'
i think /tttt/ really underestimates how much people's bodies change in the course of life, though, possibly because the average age on this board is late teens at most
30 year old men and women look absolutely nothing like 18 year old men and women (and yeah, this is something that's true for trans men too -- a lot of women 'blossom' later in life)

>>7608450
>Eh?
it's called /tttt/ because nobody here is lgb
>I'd be hemmoraging sexual market value though, further increasing my odds of dying alone from 90% to 99.8%.
i suspect you greatly overestimate the sexual market value of depressed unattractive men, and possibly underestimate that of even ''''''''''''twinkhon'''''''''''' (man is that a bizarre word, but there's nothing better i can think of to describe the outcome of unluckier early-20s mtf transitioners) trannies

>>7608453
>30 year old men and women look absolutely nothing like 18 year old men and women
forget being trans, just aging makes me hate my body

>>7607819
Just a reminder to all in the thread

repression is NOT

>ignoring your feelings
>using drugs to cope
>doing shit in private
>purging thoughts with porn all the time

repression IS

>combating such thoughts
>being aware what creates such thoughts, and avoiding the stimuli which causes it
>being aware which creates OPPOSITE thoughts, seeking stimuli which causes it
>vilifying the thoughts you do not want (its ok to be biased or even a bit unreasonable, just to change your perception at first. Most of our views have bias no matter what)
>Idealizing thoughts we want to have (same rule applies, for both, make sure to look mostly at the negative / positive, respectively.

>>7608536
>repression is NOT
>doing shit in private
yes it is.

i'll get a bf and crossdress with him and i'll stop wanting to be a girl.

>>7608564
Uh, no its not dude, you are feeding, and promoting the feelings of being a girl by crossdressing EVEN in private

Its "better" than doing it in public and going full tranny mode, but not much

hidiing =/= repression.

Just ask yourself : why do you cross-dress? Because you enjoy the feeling of being like a girl?

Thats not repressing, faggot.

>>7608463
I'm B though. ;-;
Maybe you're right, but I can get laid. The user base I currently appeal to (depressed unattractive women) would be lost if I was a hontwink. Who do they appeal to?

>>7608564

REPRESSION

subdue (someone or something) by force.
"the uprisings were repressed"
synonyms: suppress, quell, quash, subdue, put down, crush, extinguish, stamp out, defeat, conquer, rout, overwhelm, contain More
"the rebellion was repressed"
oppress, subjugate, keep down, rule with a rod of iron, rule with an iron fist, intimidate, tyrannize, crush
"the peasants were repressed"

restrain, prevent, or inhibit (the expression or development of something).
"Isabel couldn't repress a sharp cry of fear"
suppress (a thought, feeling, or desire) in oneself so that it becomes or remains unconscious.


>REMAINS UNCONSCIOUS
Physically impossible, if your willingly cross-dressing.

>>7608595
I think you mean literally impossible.

>>7608587
correction: there are a decent number of lgbs (especially b and to a lesser degree l) on /tttt/, but they're all t as well
trans girls who transition under <25 appeal to chasers (who are far more numerous than you would assume, and usually somewhat more subtle), bisexuals, other trans people, and if passable (passing to cis people is much easier than you would think and 'twinkhons' can pull it off if they have good voices, which is what's truly important) exclusively gynephilic cis members of the gender they're trying to appeal to (straight men and lesbians)
depression and conetits is accepted as a normal aspect of being trans to chasers and fellow trannies
also, going to make this clear at the outset, all transbians are chasers and a notable minority of chasers go transbian so there's a lot of overlap in those two groups you'd be marketing yourself to

>>7608275
Cuz I'm still closeted in general and don't present female. I look boyish but not really feminine.

>>7608614
Its impossible, is what I mean

You CANNOT do something willingly, and consciously without thinking about it.

Its called basic awareness.\

And repression involve reducing thinking about, and dwelling on those terrible thoughts AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE

Theres a reason all the people who "fail" repressing always say they did a shit ton of cross-dressing or masturbating, or fantasizing in private...because they weren't actually repressing.

>>7608621
This is getting a little too esoteric for me.
Are you saying I could bag lesbos? That doesn't sound right at all. I don't have a vagina.
And what's a transbian? Trannies seeking trannies? MtFxFtM or exclusively within the same group?

>>7608203
>>7608626
Hold on, whats your born gender anyway?

I'm GUESSING girl, but I might be wrong....

if so, try presenting more feminine, and dress less frumpy.

>>7608655
just to be clear, I mean you need to reduce thinking about it, AND reduce dwelling on the thoughts

Thinking about thoughts makes them STRONGER

>>7608674
you could get lesbians if you're particularly lucky, though note it is much harder for a trans girl to market herself to cis lesbians than cis straight men which really says something
'transbian' is a /tttt/ shortening for 'trans lesbian'
it's reasonably easy for any trans person, mtf or ftm, to date both 'within' and 'across' depending on specific sexual orientation and most of the trans people i've known have done or are doing one or both

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>And I don’t pretend to remember
>No I won’t relent on who I am
>No these words aren’t there to defend her
>Though I am old, I am told that I’m the man


Ex repressive here. There is only one weakness to dysphoria. One sure fire abatement of the symptoms that leads to actual comfort

The powerful masculinity of another man
Your own is not enough. you need to be brave and submit to a man AS a man. And as his arms wrap around you and you are protected in his embrace.

The dysphoria will fade away

>>7608714
Anti repression GTFO

By the way, reminder that "who you are" is subjective, dynamic, and malleable.

ask not "who you are" but "who do you WANT to be?"

Most gays, trans, ect, admit that, if they could, they would take a pill to BE happy being straight or cis....and this can happen, but not in pill form....in the form of habit changing, and stoicism.

Also a reminder that being straight cis has better odds of good mental, emotional, and physical health...There are more benefits there, you just need to shape your mind to fit.

Its a journey, but you can do it, have faith in yourself, I have faith in you too.

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>>7608741
It's be a tranny or be a gay.

It's all about compromise. I came too close to total destruction last time I tried to be straight.

>>7608704
Interesting.
As I understand it not all trans lesbians want other trans lesbians, a lot want cis lesbians. Then they settle for another trans lesbian, which isn't really chasing at all.
Anyways we've gone off topic here. I still don't want to be a hon. Or a twinkhon. I want to be a woman and I can't.

>>7608536
You there. How do I identify the cause of my trans thoughts? They just seem omnipresent. Conversely nothing seems to produce cis thoughts.

>>7608769
you can't always get what you want
but sometimes, if you try hard enough, you just might get what you need

if what amounts to cognitive behavioural therapy (a much easier treatment!) was the treatment for transsexualism, it would be used instead of transition

>>7608704
>though note it is much harder for a trans girl to market herself to cis lesbians than cis straight men which really says something

You mean it's harder for us to market ourselves to lesbians than to market ourselves to straight men? Or it's easier for straight men to market themselves to lesbians?

Either way you're kinda wrong. Girls don't give as much of a shit because they weren't conditioned they're whole lives not to do anything remotely "faggy", and they aren't expected by their families to bring home a wife who can pop out the next generation.

>>7608813
>You mean it's harder for us to market ourselves to lesbians than to market ourselves to straight men?
this one
>
Either way you're kinda wrong. Girls don't give as much of a shit because they weren't conditioned they're whole lives not to do anything remotely "faggy", and they aren't expected by their families to bring home a wife who can pop out the next generation.
dating trans women is very, very stigmatized amongst a lot of lesbians (as in actual lesbians, not bi women)
terf-type beliefs are more common than you would assume, and those who don't hold them have still been exposed to them
hell, lesbians in very very trans-heavy areas and communities who are completely 100% pro-trans -- fuck, lesbians who use they pronouns -- still often(!) find something consciously or subconsciously wrong with the idea of dating trans women

>>7608813
>>7608831
And on both sides the problem is the lack of a vagina.
Cut all funding to cancer research, Israel, and the wall of Trump. Put all available R&D capital into neovags.

>>7608831
I'm just speaking from experience, I've been with a lot of cis women, and only two or three straight guys ever. Unless you count ERPs.

Also I've only been with a handful of MtFs, settling isn't really my thing.

>>7608754
You did not REPRESS properly then, you kept fixating on, and allowing warped views.

>>7608769
I would start by asking yourself 2 simple questions : What is a man, and what is a woman.

Chances are, you have pretty biased views towards gender, and this is a MASSIVE part of it

I felt trans before too, and thought all men (I'm a born male) were awful brutes, and I thought to myself "well, I'm not an awful brute, so OF COURSE I'm not a man, so I must be a girl"

I would also do thought experimentation : Try getting out your comfort zone and try being cis, and masc / fem (whatever your born gender is) for a few days while going out, and seek compliments, seek a good time.

A big part of it is people feeling unfullfilled. If you feel a little more fullfilled as your born gender, dysphagia will diminish some doing that too.

>>7608781
Interesting theory, but you gotta understand the DSM is highly politicized. Its not so much "what works" so much as "what the DSM board approves". Theres research out there from christian organizations, russia, and other places showing it can work, but then people just say "herp derp, from christians / russians, obviously bias" without reading it.

It pays to look at ALL views, even if you disagree, because maybe you might of missed something.

>>7608848
I just want to put on the record, I ERP occasionally too (to cope with lonesomeness) and I can tell behaviorally someone is male if they rp.... they are really different.

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>>7609000
Yeah but after being faced with having to be a tranny. Being a faggot seemed like a breeze. Much easier to handle

Hard to repress when you fall In love

>>7609052
>Comparing one which is easier....

>Literally like saying "shit, smoking meth all the time fucks with my life, guess ill just drink like a fish"

>Implying you were repressing if you ALLOWED yourself in a situation where you fell in love.

Cmon, you could of seen those feelings coming if you have any amount of emotional intelligence, as soon as you got an inkling of those feelings, you should of NOPED the fuck out of there. Repression means you DONT allow those feelings of attraction to sit there, and grow. You prevent them, weed the garden of your mind, and take care of it

Your mind can either be a mess of whatever encroaches into it, growing all over or it can be a garden, using hard work to grow the thoughts you NEED.

>>7608536
>>being aware what creates such thoughts
wanting a bf.

>>7609093
The problem is FOCUSING on it.

Its hard to want something if your mind is busy on something else

Its like a friend of mine stopped smoking, not from patches, not from consoling, but because he was so busy, and occupied, and focused on things, he never had time to say "fuck, I want cigs" and go get cigs.

Same applies to this, if your allowing your mind to focus on "fuck, I want a bf", THAT IN ITSELF. is a FAILURE to repress

If you think about it less and less, the impulse itself will be less and less

The sequence of thoughts manifesting is this

>impulse - An idea being put into the mind, via stimulus, or a wandering train of thought
>Allowing it - essentially refusing to change the subject mentally. Thinking on it more allows it to be normalized, and makes it more frequent, and easy to think about
>Considering, fantasizing, ect - Same as before, but deeper thinking, normalizing it, making it somewhat PART of you. If your doing this, this is very dangerous in terms of risking this thought becoming regular in your mind
>Enacting - After a time of considering and / or fantasizing, steps made to make such thoughts manifesting into reality, through actions

Only IMPULSES are allowed in repression, Because impulses TRULY cannot be controlled, but ALLOWING is different

The key difference between repression, and hiding is this

REPRESSING MAN WITH GAY IMPULSES : "What if I had a big str- the fuck, thats gay. fuck that shit. man up."

MAN WITH GAY IMPULSES WHO JUST HIDES IT : "What if I had a big strong boyfriend to hold, cuddle me, and provide for me?..."

Notice how ONE person actually resists the thoughts, and the other just allows themselves to keep thinking about it? THIS is repression.

>>7609000
>I ERP occasionally too (to cope with lonesomeness) and I can tell behaviorally someone is male if they rp.... they are really different.
How do you tell the gender of ERP people?

>>7609139
Not only that, but you can be prepared what will cause what impulses.

I personally avoid dive bars, because bars are full of ghetto idiots, and ghetto idiots cause me impulses of ANGER

so, to avoid those IMPULSES, I avoid the stimulus, to make it easier.

You guys can do this too.

>>7608847
>Cut all funding to cancer research, Israel, and the wall of Trump. Put all available R&D capital into neovags.
So when you get murdered by a drug gang or stoned by Muslims, you can die knowing you had the best damn neovag money could buy!

>>7609148
First, because they generally say it in the profile, and 2, they act weird. More aggressive, less submissive, more assertive, ect

Less "passive" generally speaking, and even if they want the role of a submissive, they are more aggressive about trying to BECOME submissive. They could also be dikes, but if they are dikes, they wouldn't RP with a man.

Also, anyone who rps as a futa is clearly a man (though I don't touch them lol)

This is why I always joke /d/ is the real boyfriend board of LGBT.

Oh and, rping as a girl, or gay stuff, is an absolute DONT of repression. That is fantasizing, and you cannot repress if you fantasize.

I would even dare say, roleplaying as a submissive too much is bad too, as submission kinda leads into other stuff.

>>7609193
>Am for defunding israel
>Cancer research is a con game, cancer is curable by making the body less acidic

>But putting all this into mutilating people better? Fuck off.

>>7608813
>Girls don't give as much of a shit because they weren't conditioned they're whole lives not to do anything remotely "faggy"
No but they are conditioned to hate faggyness in men, and that is why trans women are abominations to them.

>>7609205
I count as a girl by this metric!

>>7609213
gb2/pol/ kthx

I don't think this is very healthy, you guys should just accept your shit and go see a shrink.

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>>7609000
>I just want to put on the record, I ERP occasionally too (to cope with lonesomeness) and I can tell behaviorally someone is male if they rp.... they are really different.

Not sure what you're saying here, I know for a fact that the people I ERP with are male, they're straight guys, they send me pics too.

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>>7609000
I am tired of fighting.
I submitted to my nature.

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So, if I ever successfully repress my ftm feelings, should I repress my feelings for girls too?

>>7609238
>No but they are conditioned to hate faggyness in men
I've told other people that women are often just as homophobic as men, but few seem to take it seriously. Male femphobia/homophobia tends to be straightforward and more violent. Its the fear of being a fag that we're all raised with. They use violence to eradicate 'the other' and to remind themselves that there's no other choice but to be masculine.

Women are less violent, but that won't stop them from cheering on a boyfriend or husband or brother from wailing on some poor fragile queer, even if its their own son. And even women that are outwardly accepting of homosexuality and male femininity will often go completely Anita Bryant when confronted with the inconvenient reality of male sexuality.

I've seen it in multiple girls. They're accepting of your femininity only up until the point that it runs up against their idea of what an ideal relationship should be like and threatens what they thinks should be theirs. If you're bi, sexually passive, physically weak AND in a relationship with them suddenly its a problem. Like what did you expect going into this relationship? That my 5'5" ass would be able to sweep you off your feet and throw you over my shoulder like a caveman? If you wanted that you should've dated someone else.

>>7608714
>you need to be brave and submit to a man AS a man.
why can't i submit as a woman? just in my own mind seeing myself as a girl.

>>7608741
>Most gays, trans, ect, admit that, if they could, they would take a pill to BE happy being straight or cis
where did you get this?

in threads here most of us either wouldn't or don't think it's possible. both for me.

>>7609502
Oh yeah. I still pretend I'm a girl in my head. I just don't have to present as one. It helps dysphoria

I'm definitely the girl in the relationship

>>7609433
Of course. Be a good boy and contain the degeneracy within you.

>>7609537

But he sees you as a man anon. You're his BOYFRIEND.

You should just transition.

>>7609433

Suppressing is a myth, it never goes away. You're better off doing drugs if you want the feelings to go away.

Just transition.

>>7609579
Yes but I'm the sub bottom. I have everything I need to feel safe under his protection.

Just being held by a man is enough

>>7609433
no! do like >>7609537 and date a girl while being a guy in your head. then it's a substitute for transition not just pretending you're happy as a girl.

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>>7609433
>the Ryoko-poster from the lesbian thread was closeted FtM

GodDAMMIT

>>7609453
>I've told other people that women are often just as homophobic as men, but few seem to take it seriously.
Because pure perfect women don't have a homophobic bone in their body!

>even if its their own son.
I bet there are plenty of examples of LGBT people getting more mistreatment and stigma from their mothers than their fathers.

>will often go completely Anita Bryant when confronted with the inconvenient reality of male sexuality
What do you mean?

>If you're bi, sexually passive, physically weak AND in a relationship with them suddenly its a problem.
It really shows how they think of men. Gays are nice to joke with and treat like a pet, or like a zoo when visiting a gay bar. But a pet can't be your provider and protector. Man up and do the job!

>>7609633
I don't think that was me

>>7609633
>anyone interesting ever
>being cis female

>>7609634
>What do you mean?
I mean women are largely content to show surface level acceptance of GBT males when its convenient for them to virtue signal, but they're often disgusted with the real dirty details of male sexuality. When they learn that not all gay men are like their delicate little yaoi bishounens and they have to deal with real men who are into leather and bondage suddenly they turn into right wing evangelicals.

This is doubly true for males who crossdress, take hormones or express femininity in any way. Because they're only capable of seeing femininity in their own context and are naturally suspicious of anyone trying to muscle in on their 'territory'.

They desperately want men to be more like them, but only to the point that it starts to threaten their walled garden.

>But a pet can't be your provider and protector. Man up and do the job!
Exactly. Be a sensitive, be a candy ass cake boy. Just make sure you do exactly what I want because you're only useful to me as long as you play along.

>>7608679
no I'm a guy that wants to be a girl

>>7609278
>accept your shit
>accept the idea I also have urges to attack people

Your right, lets have a murderous society, because people will be true to "themselves" then

I already went over, being "yourself" is a shit excuse to be lazy and not try and be mentally healthy.

>>7609372
Your giving up? Did you even REALLY try keeping the thoughts away, and not feeding it?

The biggest problem with repression is most people half ass it

like "ok, I wont do gay shit, wont let myself think about it....but...fuck today was stressful...guess I will jerk off to gay porn just this once"

Doing that is 1 step forward, 5 steps back

If you do anything like that, you won't have success repressing.

>>7609433
If you want, but honestly a wife and kids are amazing to have.

On the other hand, a small amount of repression (not eliminating, but reducing) how much power women have over you is actually very nice

Don't go full asexual, but be in control of yourself.

>>7609502
>don't think its possible
This is the big problem
>not wanting to resolve all issues of being allienated, costs, risks, ect, and be happy

The issue is you guys don't want it because you truly don't think you can be happy being straight / cis. This is because, so far, you haven't been happy, thus, you figure you NEVER will

This is thinking hopelessly, and it WILL make you miserable.

>>7609544
To clairify, slutting around with girls is degenerate

Getting a wife and kids is good.

>>7609579
reminder, transition (read: being transgender) has immense risks of suicide, psychopathy, disease, drugs, aids, and all sorts of problems

If at any point any of those things bother you, TRY HARD at repressing, and DONT half ass it.

>>7609588
>myth
I must be make believe then, if I've repressed successfully.

What about all those people who REGRET being gay, or trans? Are they make believe?

REMEMBER, the most important part of repressing is to be THROUGH. Don't let small details slip through, ever.

who too lazy/weakwilled to lose weight here? I'm just skinny fat but extra fat on a male frame that sends me over the weight of any normal attractive female. if I was thin I could at least be a female weight. ;(. inb4 I'm being a pussy, I know.

>>7610026
I see, my mistake.

Yes, its true you don't deserve being called a girl because you are not one.

Transition is not actually "becoming" a girl, its modifying, and enhancing a man, with chemicals, surgery, hormones, ect, so he looks and seems, at a glance, to resemble a man LESS, and a woman MORE. But resembling and BEING are 2 different things.

Theres a reason fake antiques don't sell as much as genuine ones, even if its hard to tell the difference.

As for your friends not including you as a girl, heres why : The situation is akin to adults (government, society, ect) telling kids (actual people) to not tease the kid who still believes in santa at 13. Granted, most of the kids "know" hes completely full of shit, but just sort of nod their head when santa is brought up

"santa...sure....yeah, cant wait for Christmas and him giving us gifts"

Meanwhile any SERIOUS conversations involving that topic, like say, a guy dressed up as santa who got fired for something, either will NOT be brought up around him, OR, will be brought up, and his protests will be ignored

THIS is the problem, your friends don't believe you, don't VIEW you as a girl, because you aren't one. They are the equivilant of kids who, perhaps even RESPECT you, and let you live with the delusion of santa, 1: because they don't want the adults screaming at them and 2: Don't want you throwing a tantrum

But since doing this makes you incredibly artificial, nobody will want to take you very serious. You won't REALLY be taken serious by a LOT of people, until you realize you are a man, and NO amount of feelings, hormones, surgery, and even organ implants will change that. You will, at best, be a sex doll looking Frankenstein, Always making you hate yourself more and more by rejecting your born body, and desperate to replace it with anything which is NOT you

THIS is a big reason trannies are suicidal, the more you attempt to change, the more you hate your body, and the more insecure you get.

>>7610028
Considering I was repressing being trans feeling originally, being a fag is a pretty good comprimise.

Besides I have a tiny dick. And I love my boyfriend and I can't fight the way he makes me feel. I was born to sub.

>>7610070
I need to lose a little weight but im cis male.

Honestly being active is the biggest part. Walk to stores instead of drive, eat nutrent richer foods, and stay away from shit like chips and soda. Sugar is honestly MUCH worse than fat in diet. Eliminating soda from the diet, and having water instead is an easy, but huge change.

And make sure you get lots of protean for muscle growth.

>>7610129
I can kinda sympathize with the tiny dick part, that sucks man.

Though, if you marry a girl looking for a long term relationship, and your not like, crayola crayon small, it shouldn't be an issue (seriously, if your 1 inch thick, and 4 inches long, a girl whos not loose shouldn't complain. Dick size is mainly an issue for whores, because girls who are tight don't need much to stretch, and girls tighten up over time.

>>7610028
>reminder, transition (read: being transgender) has immense risks of suicide, psychopathy, disease, drugs, aids, and all sorts of problems
Correlation != causation, fag.

>>7610147
This is actually a big part of sexuality for anyone, by the way. If you are celibate (no masterbate, sex, ect) for a while, and just kinda live, and don't fantasize, you will find you get pretty vanilla over time

I was into all kinda strange shit when younger, but now I'm pretty damn vanilla, because I kept away from it.

>>7610147
Nah it is cartoonishly small. And I have a feminine face that screams "I'm a fag"

I'm at peace with it. And I have a loving relationship with my boyfriend. So I'm really happy and content as a person

>>7610157
>correlation =/= causation

Well why do you think it is then? Because this shit still happens even in SUPER trans friendly places, EI SEATTLE, netherlands, vegas, ect.

People who are suicidal don't become trans either, in those rates

So what do YOU think the correlation means, if its not abuse (bullying does not cause suicide in those rates anyway, unless its rape and mutilation, which trans dont experience at identical rates) and its not suicidal thoughts causing trans?

What could the possible function CREATING the correlation be, faggot?

The only cause I can see is people who are trans have friends, families AT LEAST get awkward as fuck, and shallow, the emotional tole of changing is huge, its a constant denial of reality and facts, biology, ect, and its a huge thing to potentially regret (people who fully transition, but then change their mind, how do you think they feel? They will forever go down as "that faggot who insisted he was a girl and chopped his dick off". And this tends to make people suicidal)

Seriously, I'd love to hear ANY theories on what causes it, if you say its not caused by transition itself causing emotional distress.

But I guess you know nothing about being able to discriminate the cause of something, since you sweep any correlations under the rug rather than investigating like someone who follows science?

Either present a theory and dialog or shut the fuck up faggot, your excuse is a fucking meme, or drink bleach because you know, correlation of death doesn't mean causation.

>>7610225
>People who are suicidal don't become trans either, in those rates
Source?

>bullying does not cause suicide in those rates anyway
Increased bullying = increased suicide.

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>that music that plays in your head when dysphoria strikes and you resist it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGuTkrsVoFw

i will never be a cute little kitten. lost my chances years ago.

why even live?

>>7610245
>source

Show me a source where people who are suicidal are at a HEAVIER rate to become trans.

>increased bullying
This depends massively how severe it is.

Physical violence, rape, sexual abuse, is often the ones which cause suicide, simply being called a faggot, dickhead, or whatever is "bullying" but DOES NOT have a large effect on suicide rates.

The problem is people say "TRANS ARE BULLIED, THIS CAUSES SUICIDE!!!" but theres no distinguishing for if it was them getting savagely beaten and raped, or if they were just told "dude, your a fag, your not a girl".

both are technically bullying, but only 1 of them significantly effects suicide rates.

And many trans friendly places, beatings and rapes of trannies is very low, so that CANNOT be the cause.

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>>7610269
Tis better to be feared than loved

>>7610290
:'(

>>7610262
I kinda thought that might be "I wont become the thing I hate".

Kinda edgy, but appropriate.

>>7610293
You want the best you can get right?

You were dealt the card of being born as a MAN.

Work out, train, boost your testosterone, and be the best MAN you can be, rather than being a pussy wanting what you cannot have

nobody has ever been happy whining about what they cannot have.

>>7610112
anon that's why im trying to repress
youre making wanna kill myself anyway :' )

>>7610112
>>7610225

This is sad, you need to come out and transition anon. Since you're mega closet case, please don't ever get married or have kids because you're inevitably gonna transition when your 50 or 60 or be a miserable fuck when your test levels drop like all old transitoners.

I think you should get on HRT for a trail period, see how it makes you feel.

You know who you are in your heart, be yourself .

>>7610309
i am already kinda good looking as a man actually and a bit /fit/ as well etc.

>>7610225
>since you sweep any correlations under the rug rather than investigating like someone who follows science
That's hypocritical coming from someone who makes up baseless claims, states them as facts, and claims invented research/statistics backs him up.

>>7610285
>Show me a source where people who are suicidal are at a HEAVIER rate to become trans.
So your claim, "People who are suicidal don't become trans either, in those rates", was just made up? You implied you knew rates when actually you had no idea?

>And many trans friendly places, beatings and rapes of trannies is very low, so that CANNOT be the cause.
Except you can't know that without knowing the rate at which less extreme bullying usually causes suicide, in order to know if the trans suicide rate is accounted for if they all receive that bullying. And again, your "in those rates anyway" is evidently just something you made up with zero basis in actual stats.

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>>7610329
>>7610325
Get a boyfriend first

>>7610364
cant find boyfriends like this sadly lol.

i miss the times when i was 13-15 i was a real qt :3

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>>7610373
Gays like men

>>7610364

A boyfriend won't do anything. Why do you keep pushing this?

>>7610385
but i am now too dominant and too huge psyhically to ever be bottom. thats the whole issue.

>>7609800
>but they're often disgusted with the real dirty details of male sexuality
Male gay/bi sexuality specifically, not male heterosexuality?

>This is doubly true for males who crossdress, take hormones or express femininity in any way. Because they're only capable of seeing femininity in their own context and are naturally suspicious of anyone trying to muscle in on their 'territory'.
Why is this? Men aren't similarly hostile to women who try to act like men. In fact, while some will be against it, they're more likely to find it attractive or respectable. Men are more hostile to men who aren't manly than women who are. It's very unfair.

>Just make sure you do exactly what I want because you're only useful to me as long as you play along.
This is so demeaning. Yet women are the ones who complain about objectification.

>>7610388
Why do you think it won't work? Have you tried it?

I haven't, but I believe anon. I'll get a boyfriend and my dysphoria will go away and I'll finally be happy.

>>7610364
idk i go back and forth between wanting a bigguy bf to make me feel like a weak little girl and wanting a gf so i can imagine myself as her

>>7610388
Because it worked for me


>>7610390
All you need to do to bottom is simply say. Find a bigger stronger man.

>>7610414
i am 190 cms, 115 kgs. literally no guy around me is bigger and stronger than me!

>>7610028
>If you want, but honestly a wife and kids are amazing to have.
>On the other hand, a small amount of repression (not eliminating, but reducing) how much power women have over you is actually very nice
>Don't go full asexual, but be in control of yourself.

I love girls a lot, and marrying one seems too good to be true, but dreamy. If I stay a cis girl, I'd still be gay. If I try to be a man, well... Either way I'm still a fag

I don't know if I could force myself to strictly being into men.

>>7610409
iktf. I'm bi but my attraction to men is pseudo-bisexuality and my attraction to women is so I can project as them.

I want a relationship with a girl and a bi guy. He treats us both as girlfriends, she gets the attention of both of us, and I get a man to make me feel like a girl and a girl to project as when she gets fucked, by me or him. Truly the dream.

>>7610521
don't force yourself to being into men at all! being gay is fine. it's transition that sucks. if a girlfriend makes you feel masculine enough that your dysphoria goes away, you've won!

>>7610551
I doubt having a gf alone would make it go away. Most of my Dysphoria is about my body. I don't know how well I would take it if she called me her girlfriend

>>7607380
>under 6'
>started at 21
boo fucking hoo
kill yourself

>>7610325
Sorry, not sorry

I mean, I'm sorry it makes you feel shitty, but I'm not shitty telling you the truth.

the truth will hurt no matter what, coming from me, your family, or live kicking you in the face 4 years from now

I'd rather it come from an anon than life, you know?

I have faith you can overcome it, just remember to be diligent in picking how you deal with your thoughts

>>7610327
>Implying all men are trannies because all men occasionally think they would be better off girls

KYS

Also, I know in my heart im a man who wants to uphold the truth, and transgenderism is a lie...so I go against it.

>>7610329
Then do your best to enjoy it, and ask yourself what you could do to enjoy more

could be that your weary of being responsible and an "ideal man" and just want to relax. Don't forget to have fun occasionally!

>>7610352
>invented statistics

http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/19/transgender-regret-is-real-even-if-the-media-tell-you-otherwise/

>40% suicidal rate, 90% mental illness rate
This shit isn't new.
Even LGBT organizations acknowledge trans have HUGE issues. Want me to make an entire post listing links acknowledging suicide and mental illness citations?

>claim
I claimed that theres no evidence for trans suicide being caused by any other factor BESIDES being trans. So I thus, believe being trans is the cause, as there's no good evidence on other factors being more likely.

>you cant know
I can know that places where is VERY open on doing things (beating gays in russia) it PROBABLY occurs more than in places which will DESTROY you for doing so.

A country with no evidence of something PROBABLY has less of it than a country KNOWN for it, and this is why its BS, because if not, you would see suicide go UP in places like russia, africa, deep south, ect, and DOWN in liberal areas like Seattle, detroit, ect.

But you DONT see them go down, nobody has ever published something showing its the direct cause. Because its not.

>>7610573
You claimed
>People who are suicidal don't become trans either, in those rates
WHERE ARE THE STATS?

You claimed
>bullying does not cause suicide in those rates anyway
WHERE ARE THE STATS?

When you just make up lies and assertions with no basis in fact, you are ignoring science and incapable of establishing truth.

You need to back your beliefs up right now.

Where is the STATISTICAL PROOF suicidal people becoming trans isn't the cause of the trans suicide correlation?

Where is the STATISTICAL PROOF trans people being bullied isn't the cause of the trans suicide correlation?

You claimed both these "facts" and said the statistics were on your side. I think you are a liar. PROVE ME WRONG OR GTFO.

>>7610352
Infact you can even look on this very board : how many trannies do you see talking about being suicidal, even if they aren't being assaulted, and aren't in huge trouble?

Bullying isn't the cause, being trans is.

>>7610373
Reminiscing is actively going AGAINST repressing.

>>7610407
>evidence-less claims, being a slave to your emotions

>>7610521
If your actually a girl, I sense you haven't had a good experience with a man acting like a "father" so to speak

The best lovers imo are ones who act like parents to each other

Just be aware that not all men are the same, and men from certain backgrounds tend to be certain ways. A boy from the hood generally wont be as loving or caring as a man who goes to church, for instance

>>7610551
Actually lesbians have a pretty damn high domestic violence rate. And men / women work great because their weaknesses are buffered by the others strengths. They make a team which is balanced. 2 men or 2 women have huge strengths, but GLARING weaknesses, of not having the other gender present.

>>7610526
I hope you are aware this is extremely unlikely. Ask yourself why these people would do this.

>>7610562
Are you effeminate, or masculine?

If effeminate, work out, eat protean, and pack on muscle

If masculine, try hanging out in areas / doing things where masculinity is appreciated.

>>7610637
I would most prefer to be masc/neutral, but rn I'm presenting effeminately. I have long hair and all that but I wear neutral clothes...

I would prefer to have a flat chest/be taller and a dick rather than be muscular...

>>7607625
fucking read

>take hormones
>hips get slightly wider
...
>return to school
already you know this person is fucking young and started fucking young
hormones by themselves do FUCKING NOTHING unless you are young and small and passable. stop pretending like they're some magic dysphoria cure

>>7610631
My point is, YOU have no stats for EITHER of those, so I'm saying they don't exist

That which can be brought forth without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, asshole

You have NOTHING to show that people who are suicidal become trans

You have NOTHING to show who people who get bullied (name calling, ect) commit suicide within 20% of that rate.

Your basically being like a dumbass asking for absolute proof santa doesn't deliver presents, possibly with space age tech making him undetectable, ect.

How about you provide even a micro shred of evidence that these statements are wrong? I mean, you seem CONVINCED that you are right and that suicidal people become trans, and people who are bullied have a 40% suicidal rate

so show your evidence

Oh and don't feed me back the line "you have no evidence, I can dismiss" to me. Because you KNOW I'm saying these things because so far we have found 0 proof


Its like saying "this cave has no life in it". You can't ever be 100% sure, because theres always possibilities, but until theres evidence of life, you assume there it not, if no evidence manifests.

Sure, there MIGHT be some evidence which NOBODY accounted for out there, but absolutely everything I have seen says otherwise.

so show me evidence which goes AGAINST my theory (I have evidence supporting it, which I've already posted) or stfu.

>>7610637
i just miss old days :^(

>>7610668
How do you feel about being effeminate though?

How do you feel on men finding you attractive?

have you considered the good you will lose if you transition? Your beauty will be catastrophically ruined...

>>7610720
I know, but looking back too much means you never move forward buddy. Remember that

By the way, can folks do a favor, and state their born gender? Its kinda hard to tell and give proper repressing advice otherwise

>>7610754
i am a male. though i accepted my masculanity and date girls (because there are literally no convincing traps and shit around me) mainly. so i guess i moved on. i just wish old days were forever sometimes.

>>7610767
We all get that, TRUST me...

Also, I would dare say women are objectively better, considering costs, problems, ect, and an extra hole / ability to have kids. Most trans who are convincing cannot / do not top, so unless you want someone who cannot get pregnant, I don't get what the issue is....Feel free to explain, mind you.

>>7610788
problem is, i literally cant be bottom, i really tried. i somehow have a very dominant character. i always though if there was someone "bigger" than me then i would feel small and be a bottom but i am just a huge guy!

but i dont want to be a top for men as well, so i just date girls, i am fine and happy though. i just want to taste the bottomness again.

>>7610712
>My point is, YOU have no stats for EITHER of those, so I'm saying they don't exist
Liar, you specifically claimed you had stats supporting your view and disproving the alternatives. See both your references to rates, as quoted in >>7610631

Now you admit there are no such stats and no evidence against the alternatives you yourself mentioned.

>That which can be brought forth without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, asshole
Exactly. Which is why your claims, which you brought forth without evidence and which you lied about having evidence for, should be dismissed. As you put it,
>so I'm saying they don't exist

>so show me evidence which goes AGAINST my theory (I have evidence supporting it, which I've already posted) or stfu.
Liar. You've already been asked for your claimed stats about the rates you invented and you admitted they don't exist.

Your theory is probably something you invented as an excuse for your repression. That would explain why you are so eager to proselytize it and why you lie to trick people into believing it.

GTFO.

I think I'm just gonna be gay instead of transitioning. Maybe I'll join the Marines and hopefully die a noble death rather than commuting suicide.

>>7610804
Letting/trusting a woman enough to tie your hands to a bed and sit on your face is a fantastic thing. Get creative.

>>7610851
tried to be a "slave" to a "mistress" once actually but no. it just doesnt work. i suddenly become the top/dominant one again. i just take too much initiative i guess.

>>7610734
It's ok... I'm not sure.

I don't know, whenever a man has hit on me I usually ignore him or change the subject. It makes me feel uncomfortable.

I don't think I'm beautiful at all.

>>7610637
>isn't the cause
>evidence-less claims
>pretty damn high domestic violence rate
>extremely unlikely
Nobody's listening to your false facts.

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>>7608583
making it to the point of being passable or not passable can be good in that it'll tell you whether or not you are trans

passing didn't fix me
I don't really have to repress,
and I'm learning how to be a feminine male

>>7610788
>Also, I would dare say women are objectively better, considering costs, problems, ect
What cost, problems, etc do you mean?

>>7610851
It sounds much more emasculating than letting a man do it while I get to feel like a girl to him.

>>7610804
I can understand that, I've been a switch kinda, but I repress the sub side because I know its not particularly useful, where aggression IS useful

I still get submissive in a shitty mood though...but I get dom when mad

Guess its just the ebb n flow of T.

>>7610810
>Quoted
You mean interpreted. Never said those words, bitch nigga.

>exactly
Things which have no evidence are generally seen as not believed. Theres no evidence saying those 2 things happen, which is why they ARENT believed. Same with crab people running the govornment. No evidence, so few believe.

>liar
Suicide rates at 41%
http://www.vocativ.com/culture/lgbt/transgender-suicide/
Mental health problems at 90%
http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/19/transgender-regret-is-real-even-if-the-media-tell-you-otherwise/

I never fucking said I had STATS showing that suicidal people DONT become trannies, or that bullying DOESNT make people suicidal at a 40% rate btw, I said there was no EVIDENCE that either is true, thus I don't believe it.

I don't need a study done that shows theres no evidence of spiders inside everyones eyeballs to say theres probably NOT spiders in peoples eyeballs, especially when peoples eyeballs have been studied for QUITE a while.

>>7610851
It certainly is, but don't become TOO sub...women hate that.

>>7610866
This is part of the problem, men, even being subs, are pushy, and assertive.

This is why I said I could tell men in ERPS, because they were always pushy, even when being a "bottom".

Women however are a bit more content just going with the flow, and having stuff done to them.

>>7610871
I think you should explore why you feel uncomfortable honey. Perhaps your insecure, perhaps your afraid.

Try this : Go to say, a DECENT bar with dancing (NOT TWERKING OR GRINDING, DANCING!!!) and have a dance with a man who seems attractive to you, if you can

Good chance is, something is making you uncomfortable being pretty, and you have trans feelings trying to run away.

>>7610959
This. The Romans knew what was up. Eating pussy is even more emasculating then serving your ass up to another guy. At least you're being subservient to your physical superior. Leave the muffdiving to the lesbians.

>>7610913
>passing didn't fix me
wtf how can passing not help?!

>>7610985
I can't really think of any guys I would find attractive... I don't know how to dance either.

I don't know if I've ever let myself be treated like a woman

>>7610985
thats why it was really fun when i was a kid, i was always nodding, never objecting and people i was together were always older so they made sure i felt like a girl in everyway possible and everything was perfect.

>>7610985
>You mean interpreted. Never said those words, bitch nigga.
Liar. They are direct quotes >>7610631 >>7610245 >>7610225

>I never fucking said I had STATS showing
Yes you did. See quotes. You're utterly dishonest and your dishonesty is going to harm people who come here seeking genuine help in understanding themselves and making the best of their feelings.

>I said there was no EVIDENCE that either is true, thus I don't believe it.
Yet you lied that there was evidence, after I said I didn't believe your claims because they have no evidence!

>>7610994
Different anon but same thing. Before I detransitioned and went femboy mode I passed and it didn't fix me either. Not like '4chan passing' where you have to look like a 9/10 cis female to be considered passing, but in the 5 years I was transitioning I very rarely had anyone misgender me without having foreknowledge of my trans status because of my ID or something. I never had trouble in restrooms or anything. The problem is passing alone won't fix dysphoria. Just being treated like a woman isn't enough. I knew I'd always be disappointed by the limits of what could be done to fix my body, and I knew that I would always feel ugly without FFS (which I couldn't afford). So I remained a miserable NEET despite having what tons of desperate non passing transgirls wish they could have.

>>7610985
>but don't become TOO sub...women hate that.
This is the same cuckold logic that says MGM is good because it's what women like.

>>7611043
>The problem is passing alone won't fix dysphoria. Just being treated like a woman isn't enough.
>and I knew that I would always feel ugly without FFS (which I couldn't afford)

I'm trutrans and totally committed to this, but yeah still, this is kinda where I'm at with it. Passing doesn't totally fix the problems I see in my own face, so I'll just need to save up and get it done as soon as humanly possible.

>>7611055
>>7611043
>The problem is passing alone won't fix dysphoria. Just being treated like a woman isn't enough.
what did it satisfy?
what was left wanting?
why does your face need to be pretty too?

/lgbt/ is always saying that if i'm really trans i'd be happy to be a woman even if i'm not pretty. but i wouldn't, i want to be a pretty girl.

>>7610871
I would honestly think about being uncomfortable, and face your discomfort, and ask yourself WHY its uncomfortable

It might be you feel weak / inferior being pretty (as society sometimes tells women they are useless besides looks) and thus, hate the idea of it....if thats the case, you need to change those perceptions.

>>7610880
>no evidence bullying is the cause, thus, I say its not the cause
http://www.advocate.com/crime/2014/09/04/2-studies-prove-domestic-violence-lgbt-issue

>>7610913
Trans isn't static, like race though.

Anyone, with the right mental stimuli, and thought processes, could believe themselves to be "trans", particularly if you got them young

Course, actually doing such a study would be a crime against humanity, but I think its true.

BUT, hey, if your comfortable being an effeminate male, I'm not one to judge. Congrats on the improvement brother.

>>7610937
Costs of hormones and such, and problems like mental illness / other problems.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/19/transgender-regret-is-real-even-if-the-media-tell-you-otherwise/
They are less stable

>>7610959
Some people enjoy such a thing. And its not really emasculinizing if she knows you likes it. It. I guess maybe it depends how you feel on masculine / feminine / dominant / submissive, and how secure / insecure you are.

If you don't like it, whatever.

But I do agree, it lowers testosterone a little.

>>7610988
>holding a girl down and making her scream with your tongue is less emasculinizing than having your asshole fucked

What is it with people thinking that if someone gets pleasure, its not dominant? if I fuck my gf raw, and she loves it, am I being submissive? Come on...

I like eating out because I show them I can dominate them and make them scream, even without my cock....plus, its fun to hold a bitch down, make her cum from eating her out, THEN fuck her, so shes literally useless after and cant stand up

how is that emasculating, you idiot?

>>7611020
>thats why it was really fun when i was a kid, i was always nodding, never objecting
why can't you be like that now?

>and people i was together were always older so they made sure i felt like a girl in everyway possible and everything was perfect.
how did that make you feel like a girl?
why were they always older? or do you mean grownups not peers?

>>7610937
>>7611087
>Costs of hormones and such, and problems like mental illness / other problems.
>They are less stable
What? How are those costs to being cis female? Did you even read the post?

>>7611096
they were grown ups. between 20-30 generally. it was really fun to feel like a girl, i never needed to think about anything, they were always taking care of it and i just needed to be pleasing both sexually and looks-wise.

i guess my personality started to change when i hit 16ish when my family started to have huge problems within itself and i guess i felt like i needed to man the fuck up to deal with it. last time i was bottom was when i was 18.

>>7611081
>/lgbt/ is always saying that if i'm really trans i'd be happy to be a woman even if i'm not pretty. but i wouldn't, i want to be a pretty girl.
Because nobody wants to be ugly, regardless of their gender. We're a social species and looks are important.

>>7608679
>>7610026
>>7610754
You can't even tell which side of trans posters are coming from. You clearly don't understand people here very well, but you insist on trying to shoehorn your advice onto us anyway.

You've got a limited repertoire of things to tell us, and without knowing our specifics and without needing to you just parrot whichever one seems to fit.

It's like as evangelist or missionary selecting tracts to give out.

>>7609205
>>7610985
>This is why I said I could tell men in ERPS
But you can't. You just have some cliches and go on that, never realizing how many people you misgender! >>7609246

>>7610994
Cause maybe being trans wasn't what they really wanted? Or because you never REALLY become a woman?

>>7610999
I can understand your hesitancy, but I strongly encourage you to try. Nothing huge, like sex, just something... I think maybe you are insecure at not being in DIRECT control of things, is this true?

Just because a woman is not in direct control, does not mean they will be treated like shit, by a good man.

Consider how you feel in different "womanly" situations...being picked up and carried... being paid for at a date....being protected....ect....you can list others, but how do they make you feel? Be specific.

>>7611020
I see, well.. this is a problem with society.

I would challenge yourself to be a man, go hiking, get physical, ect

Aggression and force are inherent parts of men, try maybe going into the woods and bushwhacking. That was a favorite memory of me

Or do any physical, destructive labor, like woodcutting.

>>7611035
I mean theres no fucking evidence, dude.

NO EVIDENCE...THAT THAT HAPPENS....ANYWHERE

If you'd like to correct me be my fucking guest

>You lied
Actually you misunderstood me


when I said "IN THOSE RATES"

I didn't mean "In this hear statistics[link]", I meant

"I have seen 0 evidence that suicidal people become trannies in the same rates that trannies become suicidal"

And

"I have seen 0 evidence people who are bullied are as suicidal as trannies"

Its sad I gotta spell it out that much

Granted, I guess you were correct that I "said that" but your practically maliciously misinterpreting.

>>7611045
The fuck is MGM?

Anyway, how can someone be a cuck by not being sub?

I've never heard of a dominant cuck

>BITCH!!! GET THE FUCK IN THERE AND FUCK MY WIFE HARD RIGHT NOW!!!
Fucking funny to imagine though

>>7611081
>happy to be a woman
But you will never be a woman

>>7611104
Woops. Apparently not, my bad =s

>>7611145
That and you will never REALLY be a woman.
>what is a woman.

>>7610994
you know what happens when you pass? NOTHING

you're still the same person although older and with less money b/c of the all the time/effort/money it took to get to passing

sure, a few guys and (les) girls will be give you the time if you look good enough, but my dating pool is still much bigger as cis guy, even though I'm a femmy one

I love femininity, but I'm always a guy at the end of the day, even if I can alter my presentation to pass as a fem

>>7611081
the human condition is complicated, and relying on some limited interactions with the public where the gender you as female (if you're mtf) is not all satisfying.

life is more then your gender

>>7611159
I just don't want to assume shit. A girl might be presenting as female, but wanting to be male, and a guy can do the same thing

I'm not going to ASSUME shit I don't know, if I can help it.

Are you saying I cant give advice unless I know everything about everyone beforehand, without asking? Lol

>misgender
Are you saying because I think some people with vaginas are men, or because I call people who call THEMSELVES women, men, when they have dicks?

First might be true, but I frankly ask, and have always been right

Second is very true. I don't care about your pronouns, I refuse to deny reality for your feelings.

>>7611182
Amen, you sound like you have a bit of wisdom from your journey.

>>7610414

If it worked for you, you weren't trans.

just a homo queer anon.

>>7610407

if it also goes away for you too, you werent actually trans.

doesn't this thread have any actual trutrans?

>>7611111
why were you living as a girl with older people as a teen?

how did your personality change?

>>7611145
>>7611182
but getting to pass, even if you're an ugly girl, is supposed to fix dysphoria. why does /lgbt/ have the meme of wanting to be a girl even if she's ugly being what makes you trans? if being an ugly girl doesn't help or barely helps?

i know it's not nice to be ugly but it should at least fix dysphoria and let you be no more unhappy than a cis girl who is antisocial or unattractive, if trans means what it's supposed to.

>>7611210
idk i was always interested in being a bottom since a child. did stupid stuff like crossdressing because of curiousity and enjoyed. then i had my first intercourse at 13 and really enjoyed all of the feelings and continued.

but then at around age 16 family had huge financial problems and fights everyday and i guess it changed me.

>>7611200
Pretend your not trutrans and your cured

>>7611166
>when I said "IN THOSE RATES"
>I meant
>"I have seen 0 evidence
So you have no evidence against the alternative theories you yourself proposed. You know what I say to that?

>That which can be brought forth without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, asshole
>My point is, YOU have no stats for EITHER of those, so I'm saying they don't exist

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>>7611200
no true transwoman fallacy

I gave up on transition because it achieved nothing, but years of depression trying have just dulled me, the dysphoria is still there but its mitigated by how terrible I feel all the time

>>7611166
>Consider how you feel in different "womanly" situations...being picked up and carried... being paid for at a date....being protected....ect....you can list others, but how do they make you feel? Be specific.

When a man has carried me I've always felt incredibly embarassed. Recently a male friend of mine held my hand... It was embarrassing but not unpleasant I guess.

I can't really think of others.

>>7611225

So are you going to become a manly man like repression anon wants every man to be?

>>7611187
Misgender as in fail to identify people's genders online. lrn2read

You pat yourself on the back for being good at reading people while assuming genders based off cliches and then concluding you're right. Self-reinforcing circular logic. We've seen ITT that you're no better at identifying people's genders on imageboard than when sexting them.

>>7611238
I'm gonna get fit at least.
I'll see how it works out from there, maybe the additional strengh and confidence will help me find a sort of middle-ground

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>>7611210
even if you pass and don't get seen as a male, you'll always a step below all cis females

this is a shitty feeling and I hated it

and let's not forget you can NEVER escape your male skeleton, so every difference can drive you crazy

or you can always be a hon

>>7611220
Right, and you have 0 evidence that you SHOULDN'T kill yourself

This is retarded..

Do you NOT comprehend that that evidence is needed MORE to suggest something IS, than to assume it isnt?

I mean, heres a few things we have 0 proof that DONT exist

-underpants gnomes
-faggot fairies that leave pierced condoms under POS gays pillows
-hilary Clinton being a lizard

So, since there's no evidence against them, do YOU believe in them?

Your just a dumb fag that can't understand deduction...if theres no evidence suggesting something exists, generally people will not believe it exists, LIKE ME.

>>7611200
This is always a shitty argument

"oh, we don't know if your trans unless your happy for the rest of your life being trans!"

Ok, well, fuck that.

>>7611217
probably for the better, you were saved from the fate of being a massive pussy.

no offense.

>>7611218
Lol.

>>7610566
I wasn't evening whining anon do you need a hug
All I said was I feel a lot better after starting hrt even though my physical appearance didn't change.

>>7610937
>>7611104
>>7611166
>Woops. Apparently not, my bad =s
So how about actually answering the question then??? Why even bother to reply if you had no idea what I was talking about?

>>7611225
>>7611225
>>>7611200
>no true transwoman fallacy

This made my day.

>>7611231
It might be embarrassing because, in a way it is arousing. I do not mean arousing as in sopping wet ready to go, but many things are very subtly arousing to us, and if your insecure, this will certainly be a problem

I faced the same thing but inversed : as a young man, girls in sexy clothing made me feel incredibly embarrassed, and downright fearful even. I avoided them

It took forcing myself to be around that, to get over the feelings

Do not be afraid to try something, and feel whatever feelings come.

You don't necessarily need to act on them, but running away from feelings will cause immense problems for you.

>>7611265
>Do you NOT comprehend that that evidence is needed MORE to suggest something IS, than to assume it isnt?
>if theres no evidence suggesting something exists, generally people will not believe it exists, LIKE ME.
Except this all applies to your faith in repression as the cure all for making LGBT people normal again.

>I mean, heres a few things we have 0 proof that DONT exist
You forgot to list your theory.

>Your just a dumb fag that can't understand deduction...
When that's the best evidence you have, plus lying that other theories are proven false by statistics, nobody should believe you.

>>7611238
You don't need to be super macho, just don't be a fag / trans

Often masculinity is misrepresented.
>>7611239
You didn't specify what you meant. Your communication sucks by the way.

>didn't read the part about how I always CONFIRM with people and I'm always right.

Unless girls are lying with me to fuck with me, thats kinda proof I am right
>>7611284
Wait wait wait...those were costs I listed as costs of being TRANS

Pretty bad misunderstanding.

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>>7611312
Being a fag is just too delicious

>>7611298
Evidence that repression works?

Try me, every other anon in this thread, http://www.sexchangeregret.com/ , for starters.

But I guess its just an elaborate scheme by Christians to all chop off their dicks in the name of trannies looking bad right?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight....

Also if you look at psychology, learning being based on patterns, habits and perceptions, it fits with that theme, and of psychology showing fetishes can be gained via stimulus in big events, or childhood.

But whatever, if you don't know a damn thing about psychology, but are instead grasping at straws, I'm not going to bother.

>>7611320
I'd prefer not having the aids risk, mental health risk, or GBS risk, thanks.

>>7611312
>You didn't specify what you meant. Your communication sucks by the way.
lrn2read >>7611159 :
>This is why I said I could tell men in ERPS
But you can't. You just have some cliches and go on that, never realizing how many people you misgender! >>7609246

>>7611332
That's why you date fellow like minded paranoid /polacks/

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>>7611287
Yea, maybe that's why it's embarassing. I'll ponder. ty for your advice

>>7611312
>Wait wait wait...those were costs I listed as costs of being TRANS
Please read what you wrote >>7610788
>I would dare say women are objectively better, considering costs, problems, ect, and an extra hole / ability to have kids.

I was asking what "costs, problems, ect"
that CIS women have along with extra hole and ability to have kids.

>>7611332
>Try me, every other anon in this thread,

This entire thread is samefag central and sexchangeregret is garbage. 24 posters for 172 posts, repression is a joke.

just transition already.

>>7611496
I think the 24 posters are probably him, 4 people who posted once and NOPE'd, and 19 of us arguing with him.

>>7611496
being a tranny is a joke

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>>7611554
I still don't really get with this has to do with being trans, repression is a really weird culture to me.

>>7611554
this pic made me kill myself

>>7611554
please post girl x guy pics, it's easier for me to project into

>>7611585
being a femme sub gay is a substitute for being a cis girl, just like transition.

>>7611594
how's the internet in hell?

>>7611612
>being a femme sub gay is a substitute for being a cis girl, just like transition.

That really doesn't make any sense at all, I can't think of any relationship that would make me feel like less of a woman than one with a gay man. Gross.

>>7611525
life is a joke

>>7611631
with a straight woman?

obviously he has to play along, act straight, treat you like his pretty little girlfriend.

>>7611585
Being a fag is marginally acceptable these days if you live in a western or westernized country. On the other hand people still think trannies are literally like the 'dolphinplasty' guy from South Park with 100% more pedophilia and 100% more rape.

Better to be the lesser of two degenerates. Plus if you have AGP tendencies, getting a boyfriend as a guy will help you find an outlet for being submissive while maintaining a normie exterior. And you're not tricking some poor woman into 10+ years of marriage and two unwanted kids when all you really want is to get railed by other dudes.

>>7611332
You make up lies and invent nonexistent statistics to somehow prove your stigma against being trans/gay/lesbian/bi when in fact the alternatives, like LGBT people committing suicide because of stigma like yours, make far more sense and have far more basis in fact.

>But whatever, if you don't know a damn thing about psychology, but are instead grasping at straws, I'm not going to bother.
You're here as a missionary, to justify your own life choices by convincing others into converting to your views. You have no place to claim anyone else is ignorant or grasping at straws with your record in this thread.

>>7611642
>with a straight woman?

I've never done that either, no straight woman would be attracted to me at this point anyway. But for some reason fags just disgust me more.

>obviously he has to play along, act straight, treat you like his pretty little girlfriend.

But if you're not even on hormones, how can you be trap mode like this?

>>7611677
Hormones barely do shit so it's fine

>>7611620
everything's the exact same

>>7611683
Lmao. You people are deluded, either that or you're over 25 and you know you fucked up, which is fair. But like, the whole gay thing, I just don't get that part of it. It's just so gross, I can't get past it. Sorry.

>>7607819
>until I get a gay boyfriend to treat me like a girl.
protip: gays like men

>>7611697
bottoming is pretty effeminate

>>7611695
So gross to date a gay man as opposed to dating a 'straight' man who is fucking a transperson who doesn't pass and has male physique

>>7611709
>doesn't pass and has male physique

Why do you make broad sweeping generalizations about people just because you're afraid this would happen to you?

>>7611703
and girls are tops.
good luck with that.

>>7611719
>afraid this would happen to you
It did happen to me and it will happen to most others

>>7611738
Women are shit tops. No girl will ever be as good with a strapon as a guy is with his flesh and blood dick. And a plastic dick will never feel as nice as a real dick for that matter. You can't replicate the feeling of warmth and the velvety texture as another man plunges his meat staff deep inside you.

>>7611738
>and girls are tops
where did you get that from?

>>7611738
where can I get a girl to top me then

>>7611343
Right, and am I misgendering them because they are trannies, or cis women?

And are all of them lying when they say they are men?

>>7611360
I would explore it, and GET OUT, of your comfort zone. Weather it be going to a club, going to a dance, ect, you must get used to those feelings which are uncomfortable for you.

If you don't they will trap you

Id recommend dancing, or possibly even viewing erotica, it might help get you out your shell, sexually speaking. You don't need to be sexually active, but being able to cope with trace amounts of arousal is ESSENTIAL to functioning socially.

>>7611362
Fuck, I could of structured that better
I mean problems / costs that TRANS have, and women having an extra hole / ability to have kids

I butchered that, I'm sorry =x

>>7611496
right, 24 posters, and you think 23 are not repressing at all, and the other 1 is making all other posts

I can't type that fast son.

>>7611522
Again, I can't type fast enough to post the shit others say agreeing with, or even entertaining it

Besides, what do you gays have against someone NOT wanting to be gay? You people act like Muslims practically, except you don't actively call for death of converts.

>>7611585
I think hes just trying to keep people under the LGBT umbrella, by any means necessary.

>>7611612
Try projecting into your cis gender though...it might feel weird at first, but give your fantasies for it full rights in your mind. And face any discomforts with it.

>>7611633
lifes what you make of it
>you made your life a joke

>>7611643
If someone doesn't feel gay, and wants to repress (THEY ARE REPRESSING TECHNICALLY, IF THEY GO GAY ANYWAY) then why not repress fully, and be FULLY acceptable?

Again, its like switching from crack to booze....better, but why not try being sober??

>>7611655
Name a statistic I invented.

>>7611683
hormones are pretty bad on your health actually

its rough on the body

>>7611332
>Evidence that repression works?
>Try me
You're clearly very obsessive about convincing us, by hook or by crook, into not transitioning. You're not a success story. You're more like the circumcised guy insisting that other boys will be bullied and dirty if they don't get the cut too.

>every other anon in this thread
Most anons are undecided and the happiest poster/posters have embraced femininity through being gay, not at all like your repression.

>sexchangeregret.com
Detransition isn't somehow proof that repression works.

>>7611697
Not supporting being gay or trans, but what do you call a man who fucks trannies?I wouldn't call him gay, wouldn't call him straight, wouldn't call him gay either

But I'd say hes gayer than completely straight, and not strictly BI either.

It also depends why hes with them

>>7611703
Point before you still has a point, full gays don't want trannies.

>>7611719
Most trannies don't pass.

Its an accurate generalization.

>>7611738
>girls are tops
Is this sarcasm? I cannot tell...

>>7611754
aids, GBS, prolapse risk

that is all.

>>7608536
I'm repressed as fuck then.

>>7611773
are you a trap?

>>7611800
>Name a statistic I invented.
What is your first language?

Your lies about stats to defend your dogmatism is already well discussed ITT.

>>7611837
thats a dumb comparison, because circumcision IIRC has almost no benefits in the modern world. And being trans / gay is proven to make peoples lives harder.

>happiest posters
Have you considered maybe people are putting up a front to try and shut down debate?

Besides, the people who are actually being reasonable and having calm debate are those whom are at least entertaining the idea

If someone wants to repress, your kinda an asshole to try and discourage them.

>detransition isn't repression
How does one detransition without repressing? Literally how

>>7611843
Yet you say your still having intense urges? You aren't doing all the steps

Tell me more details, I might be able to point out whats wrong.

>>7611863
You said I invented stats saying that said depressed people DONT end up trans at the same rates, and stats which say bullying DONT lead to a 41% suicide rate.

I never said such statistics exist, even though its probably true.

>well discussed
just because you post several times doesn't mean its well discussed..

>>7611840
>what do you call a man who fucks trannies?

a chaser

>>7611906
I'm the one who made the thread about not wanting to transition because of unsatisfying results.

>>7611908
Well at least trannies admit that they want nobody to fuck them.

>>7611853
pretty good guess, and I don't know what led you to even guess that

ans: no, trapping is dangerous b/c I don't want to get beat up or dead

>>7611930
Trapping is fine as long as it's a girl or a numale, and you tell them yourself eventually.

It's a little annoying having to squirm so they don't accidentally put their hand or their leg in a place where they can feel something's wrong, so it's better to them soon, maybe a few weeks to a month into it.

>>7611906
>I never said such statistics exist,
>even though its probably true.
That which can be brought forth without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, asshole
My point is, YOU have no stats for EITHER of those, so I'm saying they don't exist

>>7611908
I guess thats one word...but I would also say an otherwise straight man who is fucking desperate, and a gay man who enjoys fucking unstable people.

>>7612129
Fuck off shitposter.

>>7611914
Sorry, its kinda a mess of replies.

>>7611951
You literally don't understand do you?

So are you arguing :

1- that these stats are actually true, and being trans comes from being suicidal and bullying causes 41% suicide rate
2- That I can't say for CERTAIN they aren't true, since theres no absolute proof of it

2 is technically true, but theres no ABSOLUTE proof of anything, just shit which suggests it. Theres no abslute proof ice melts from heat, it could be just from something we cannot detect, which is always present where heat is

Because correlation of heat, and ice melting, isn't causation am I right?

Look, if you want to say I technically have no absolute proof, Fine, whatever : Ill give you that

However if this is true, consider these

Why aren't a fuck ton MORE veterans, homeless people, widows, ect, pretty much any population with higher suicide rate, why is there no evidence of higher trannies in these walks of life?

2: If bullying causes a 41% suicide rate, how come en mass suicides in middle school, with 20% of students an heroing, aren't a thing?

THESE are the reasons I say this, because common sense suggests its true.

But I guess you lack common sense.

>>7612148
Its true. Often its a chaser, who REALLY likes trannies, a straight man whos SO desperate, he fucks a vaguely feminine looking ass, trying to feel less alone, or someone who wants a desperate, unstable piece of fuck meat.

Those are the biggest tranny encounters, from what I've heard in personal accounts.

>>7612196
I've also never met anyone whos picky about dates to the point they will be single for a while, and isn't sadistic, or desperate in some sense, who has ever said they would try a tranny.

....actually I guess fuckboys count

yes, manwhores too.

>>7612196
>THESE are the reasons I say this, because common sense suggests its true.
>But I guess you lack common sense.
So you admit you have zero evidence, despite your lies earlier, but muh common sense means evidence isn't needed? Fuck off.

>>7612242
Right right, and if someone comes towards you at night with a bat, you have no reason for alarm, because theres no evidence proving your in danger

Fuck off, reality involves common sense.

>>7612273
Shame your assumptions, purely justifications to comfort you for your own repression, haven't got a fraction in common with common sense.

>>7612464
They line up with behavioral psychology, something I'm sure you know NOTHING about.

>>7612544
You would have discredited yourself less if you weren't constantly hostile to everyone who questioned your assumptions/lies.

>>7612612
You weren't questioning, you were firing accusations / hostility at me first

If anyone has POLITE questions, I'm completely fine with them.

>>7612621
>You weren't questioning, you were firing accusations / hostility at me first
Where?

>If anyone has POLITE questions, I'm completely fine with them.
No, you lie to them, as you did to me and others.

>>7612633
>where?
>>7612242
>>7612148
>>7612464
>>7611951
>>7611837
>>7611655
>>7612633

>lie to them
Where?

>>7612689
You'd been spamming your garbage long before any of those posts. You'd been called on the lies too, so no excuse about forgetting.

>>7609000
>Interesting theory, but you gotta understand the DSM is highly politicized. Its not so much "what works" so much as "what the DSM board approves"
the problem is, any argument claiming transition is used as a treatment only for political reasons is an argument that assumes there was some sort of progressive tranny agenda suppressing the truth in the 1950s
the political zeitgeist of the era where transition was first implemented was much more homophobic than that of russia or extremist christians today

>>7612705
>asks where
>I clarify where
>ASKED WHERE
>FUK U

>>7612710
What do you mean suppressing truth? I think it just has not been studied much, new mental illnesses are always arriving, as they are often a result of social stimulus.

>extremist Christians today
Example?

>>7612733
>What do you mean suppressing truth?
transition was used as a treatment long, long before being even any of the things related to being trans (gay, transvestite) was acceptable, let alone being trans itself
it was used as one because they figured out it worked better than everything else they had tried, and it was the last-ditch option
claiming people are suppressing the truth about better options requires believing there was some kind of pro-trans agenda 70 years ago pushing this
>I think it just has not been studied much
please do not talk about conditions like this when you have not read the medical literature for them
the total number of transitioned patients evaluated in the literature is somewhere in the tens of thousands
transition has been found to be successful not just by the standards of mental health treatment but by the standards of health treatment in general

>>7612710
Also, have you considered maybe alt treatments to trannies was banned along with homosexual "conversion therapy"?

>>7612733
This is why nobody wants to talk to you. Several people have already explained why most of what you say is flawed over several hours. You're free to re-read what you ignored the first time.

>>7612773
i really don't think you understand how incredibly homophobic and transphobic people were until...very, very recently
your argument hinges on the idea that, *in an era where conversion therapy was mainstream, in an era where homosexuality was considered a mental illness*, there was a conspiracy/agenda going on to make transition the only accepted treatment for transsexualism when the zeitgeist of the era would have gone for absolutely anything else

>>7612798
I think its just you buddy.

>>7612801
I understand how it was.

I also understand that it homosexuality was removed from the DSM, sexual orientation is a protected class, conversion therapy is pretty much illegal, and there's huge pressure to not try and dissuade trans

I think its less a conspiracy, and so much the LGBT were given an inch when gay was removed from the DSM, and they took a mile.

Pretty sure there might of been treatments identical for trannies, but they have since been outlawed.

Its not a conspiacy, its just basic deduction. If LGBT thinks treatment is transition, and "homophobes" (normal people) think its being transitioned, and LGBT end up getting political power / backing, its not unreasonable to say the "goto" treatment will switch from conversion therapy, to transition...Because of the power switch.

>>7612877
>Its not a conspiacy, its just basic deduction.
:^)

>>7607819
My repression story

>Grew up with mom, who was single, or dating FTM trannies
>had no father figure, trannies wanted nothing to do with me
>was shut in, saw brutality in a black middle school I went to, kinda was afraid of it
>was always being told men were brutes, this confirmed it. Hated myself for my masculinity, got insecure in puberty, not wanting to be like THAT.
>absolutely ashamed and fearful over my sex drive, feel like shit about women, because I honestly think sex with women is always painful
>think I can turn gay, because its more acceptable to my mother
>doesn't work
>want to chop my dick off, hate my male body, naturally don't trust men, like women, but way to beta to be a boyfriend, and don't want to be "evil" for having sex
>destroy a few girls self esteem when they come onto me, and I reject them because I don't want to be an evil guy
>Eventually move in with dad
>he encourages me to do masculine shit, tells me enough of the pansy bs
>I absolutely hate it, and him at first
>do job in hard labor, it kicks my ass, but I develop muscle, feel great, T rises
>feel better, but still ashamed sexually
>lots of attention from girls, terrified of them
>become shut in because girls scare me when they flirt, because I'm afraid of being hurtful
>A few girls I bumble into dating kinda demand sex, but then say they felt used. This makes my mental health worse
>Eventually look into psychology
>read up, study, find something called sexual aversion disorder from DSM4
>out dated, but fits.
>counsoler refuses to treat cause outdated
>fuk u
>treat myself, slowly work it out and try and force myself to be around women...its terrifying, but I realize nothing bad happens
>slowly get used to it, stop hating myself for being a man
>feel great now.

>>7607819
Does anyone else feel like being stuck as their assigned at birth gender is a dead end?

My brother and my dad are both bodybuilders, and my mom is an ex model. I know it sounds quite shallow but I'm jealous of my family for being so beautiful, for having something that they're really proud of and for being happy with their appearances. although I have no interest in bodybuilding because I don't see myself as a man. I wish I could be more like my mother but of course that's never happen.

The most I can manage is just staying shape and focusing on my skills not immediately related to my sex. To be honest, this is just another day in the life of a repressed trans person, missing out plenty of life experiences for your sex and neglecting the life you really want because you can't have it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E12uYrZNKB8

>me when I'm at the gym
>"I am a living weapon >:) I am alpha!"

>me when I get home to bf
>"snuggle me you hunk :3, I want cock"

>>7615287
Sounds like the best of being male and being female! How separate are those two sides of you? Does your bf feel the same, or is he always alpha?

which sounds better in the case of being mtf?

Should I continue through college, get a degree and possibly end up seeking therapy/transitioning if I was positive it was what I wanted.

OR

Should I drop college at the end of my freshman year, join the Marines and hopefully die overseas. It won't be suicide and my family would consider it honorable. Little would they know it was what I wanted.

>>7618865
go see a therapist

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>>7618650
It's a good relationship. He's a 100% dom and I'm 100% sub, he's always alpha.

Literally changes whenever I'm around him. I just feel so comfortable around him. Really helps dysphoria because I feel so disarmed and protected on his arms

>>7619702
Should I? I really don't want to talk with anyone about it, I just want to not have these feelings of uncertainty anymore. I'm considering the Marines because they could put some order and opportunity into my trainwreck of a life. Also I have a higher chance dying as a Marine than as a civilian so that's a win right there.

>>7618865
College, or None Of The Above.

>>7621141
Don't trust therapy to help you. Don't try to get killed. Don't expect the military to give you order and make you better able to cope in life.

>>7619968
>He's a 100% dom and I'm 100% sub, he's always alpha.
Is your relationship different in any way from a dom guy/sub girl relationship?

>Literally changes whenever I'm around him.
Do you feel like a man the rest of the time? What's it like switching moods/modes?

>>7625052
I feel depressed when I'm not with him, but the thoughts keeps me going. I'm so happy when I'm with him.

He holds my hand in public and holds me by the hip, protects me and makes me feel safe, I always cuddle up to him or cry into his arms when I'm feeling sad

>>7608536

Great, Ill just never look at women again
Youre a fucking genius

>>7609453

Nailed it
Very well couldve written this myself

/lgbt/

>>7613355
>A few girls I bumble into dating kinda demand sex, but then say they felt used. This makes my mental health worse
I see, I feel this comes from them having to ask, most girl's cant conceive that they should ask for sex. Totally the opposite of men

I've been visiting queer forums lately and it cheers me up, but I personally live in Poland where even gays are still looked down upon, it's an overtly religious shithole. (legalized marriage? Forget it) I need to bail someday to a civilized country and find a nice local community.

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>>7608463
>twinkhon
How would you describe a twinkhon? How does it differ from a hon?

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>think being gay will solve this dysphoria
>was crying in my boyfriends arms last night about how I want to be girl
>just held me and stroked my head and called me by my girlname

>>7627569
Amy, you need to transition already.

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>>7627572
I know. I know.

Nothing works...

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>>7627588
Well don't let it go. You'll make it.

>>7627569
How old are you? It may not be too late.

>>7607819
Just curious, but why repress? It'll just make it worse once you get to 50 and break down. Then you'll be a hon for sure.

For the longest time, I thought I was going to be a hon, but I ended up somewhat cute and passing. A lot of my earlier holdups were due to body image issues. It's pretty nice to have tits. Even got some nice hip growth in, too. Not impossible at all.

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>>7627628
Just turned 22

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>>7627638
Not too late, anon. Your body will still be quite receptive to hormones. Get on them before the 24-26 range and beyond, because your dysphoria will get a hundred times worse after that.

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>>7627642
Fear always win. I'll just pussy out like I always do and cry into my boyfriend

>>7627569
How can you have dysphoria if you have a boyfriend?

>>7627634
>implying every man who ever crossdressed goes mad at 50

Right....

hollywood will be FILLED with trannies in 30 years


Repression only works as long as your dilligent, if you allow youself to ponder being gay, or transexual, or whatever, it will happen

Its like a few of my friends, they regularly watch shit like tosh.0, youtube videos of "funny" crossdresser people, ect, and now they all act like major faggots

And if they keep it up, in a year or so, they will be gay

Control your habits, control your life people!!!

>>7630737
Big difference between ever crossdressing and being on /tttt/.

>>7630743
There is, the difference is how often you do it, and how far you let the fantasy go.

>>7613355

>destroy a few girls self esteem when they come onto me

What does that mean?

>>7631061
Because he rejected them. Girls aren't used to rejection, so it cuts a lot harder. Guys have to grow thick skins in the dating game far more than the gentle sex.

>>7613355

A cishet finally learns what it's like to be stigmatized simply for what you are, mainly with the exaggerated boogiemen stories they tell you about what you are. If only the rest of you had a similar experience and the insight to make use of it.

>>7631097
>it's ok to force a child to be a gender/orientation they reject
>but only if it's LGBT and not cis or het!

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What are some things I can do to empress my femininity? My Dysphoria has been so bad lately. But I'll never pass and still look like a girl.

>>7631185
>wear guy clothes
>get a girlfriend
>do things you love to keep your mind occupied

>>7631201
I mean girl clothes and boyfriend

>>7631201
The first one is the only possible one and I'm already doing it.
Next

>>7631201
i notice that when i'm working, i don't feel sad/bad b/c i'm too busy

but when i'm outside of work, i just think about this

>>7631185
Honestly, think about typical feminine things, like a man picking you up in his arms, and consider how you feel about them....uncomfortable? Scared? Disgusted?

It might pay to prod around your mind with that, theres a chance that stuff from your past might make you insecure, and pushing past it, and growing used to those thoughts, will help out a lot.

>>7633440
Its a conscious change, you need to challenge yourself like said above.

The stimulis which ENCOURAGE being girly (dressing up, manga you self project on, trans success stories, ect) and seek out, and force yourself to do things which feel masculine

(please not, flip gender roles to make yourself cis, for this, same rule applies)

Essentially, if you avoid the thoughts encouraging transition, and find the thoughts which are uncomfortable (you must prod around your mind, and life, and find them) and FACE them (do not run, face them, and allow them to slowly become normal) You will find dysphoria slowly loses power

This is HARD, don't get me wrong, and facing that discomfort will be painful, and scary, but as you grow used to it, it holds less power, and you can overcome it.

>>7633502
How come some people are happy transitioning?

>>7635583
Probably because they pass.

>>7611244
As a relatively fit mtf with more muscle than I'd like from my guy days...lol good luck.

>>7635583
Are they? many kill themselves, drink, do drugs, ect.

many get extremely defensive to any questions or criticism

many are incredibly antisocial, or are on all kinds of substances

This doesn't seem very happy to me...

Also, this person?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/final-days-alexis-arquette-a-928507

whored themselves out, died of aids, unhappy..

>>7639315
yeah, lol.

>>7639361
>whored themselves out, died of aids, unhappy..
But she had a hell of a ride before that point.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m55z6O5Qlc


Male Hormones are no strangers to war. After all, we've been fighting for as long as we can remember. War is all we know. In the past, we fought for control of the womb. We fought for puberty. We fought for freedom. But all that changed after E-Day. For one year, we've been fighting for our very survival against inhuman, estrogenic monsters. But it is a fight we cannot continue. Testosterone faces extinction, unless we end this war now.

Private: so why the Brain Sergeant? Why not just raid from here

Sergeant: Testes the one base they can't breach yet

Private: heard there's a shitload of estrogen there sir
Sergeant: more like ten shitloads.

We had hoped the Androgen bombing would decimate the Cypro Horde. But they survived. And have returned, stronger than ever. They've brought with them a force that can Atrophy entire muscles. Even Testes HQ, our last beacon of hope through all these dark days, is now at risk. Soon we'll have nothing left to defend. And that means we have only one option: attack. Hormones, what I ask of you now is not an easy thing, but it is necessary. If we are to survive. If we are to live long enough to see the seasons change, our sperm grow and experience a time of peace that we have never known, then we must now take this fight to the Estrogen! We will go to where they live and where they breed and we will destroy them! This is the day we take the battle to the heart of the enemy. This is the day that we correct the course of hormonal history! This is the day that we ensure our survival inside this Endrocrine System! Soldiers of the y Chromosome, my fellow hormones, go forth and bring back the hope of masculinity!

>>7638102
>passing fixes everything
the only thing that happens is the public doesn't see you as male

there's still a ton more that you have to do, and it's all very tiring and very hard

>>7642771
>there's still a ton more that you have to do, and it's all very tiring and very hard
namely?

>Go to gym
>feel like dying

>see all the normal happy cis guys with no mental issues
>and all the normal happy cis girls

>>7643370
makes you wonder where "how did I get so lost (in life)?"

>>7642771
That and it literally NEVER goes away, you NEVER feel 100% normal

Your just always pushing for whats unatainable.

>>7642827
periods, being scarless, bone structure, face structure, having friends and family, needing to hide your imperfections out of insecurity, trying to act like a girl and training yourself 24/7......

in short, all the effort you spend "being a girl"....

a real girl could spend being an AMAZING girl, because shes already a girl anyway.

>>7643370
This... you will never be like that, just "happy" and living, and nothing bothering you. Not being trans anyway. Literally doesn't happen.

>>7643419
being trans. I repressed and I feel a lot better, and happier than being depressed over having a dick

its kinda fun, and its nice being stronger.

>>7643419
>>7643476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrG6IcloA4E

Me after every workout.

>>7643476
>being scarless

What does this mean?

Also you sound like someone who quit a game just because she couldn't get a perfect score.

>50% chance of being a girl
>.3% chance of being a tranny
Wew
Wew
Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew Wew

>>7643506
>srs scars
>breast surgery scars
>cutting scars
>needle scars from injections
>emotional scars from viewing yourself as inferior all the time
>cutting scars

>>7643514
>chance

Everything has a cause, even if you cannot perceive it.

>>7643555
funny thing is i can remember when i was a normal boy, and i pretty much grew up as one

But there were things that happened and you just lose your way in life and here we are

>>7643583
>things that happened
things caused it

>>7643583
I miss my naive teenage days where I felt jealousy because I wasn't a normal tough guy and once I became "zyzz" I would be happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdBoybKnzZw
>tried to ignore my childhood trans cues
>"Just go to the gym, get fit and sexy, girls will love you"

>finally get the female attention I felt I needed to become normal
>I cried after the first time I got with a girl, fawning over my muscles, broke up with her a week later.

>>7643639
in my case, it was fear and shyness that is source of everything

>>7643655
yeh, i tried too, but exercise is always good for health

>>7643695
So face your fear, force yourself to open up.

>>7643476
>having friends and family
>trying to act like a girl
iirc guys do these too.

>in short, all the effort you spend "being a girl"....
>a real girl could spend being an AMAZING girl, because shes already a girl anyway.
lol, girls are shit. i'm a better one as a male.

>>7643583
>funny thing is i can remember when i was a normal boy, and i pretty much grew up as one
what went wrong? when did things change?