/agpg/ - AGP General

>>7497619
Nothing fucking matters, so what some people get off in women's clothing, its taboo so it gets them hard. As if men even matter in today's world, just stick to jeans and let me abuse you, right? Fucking hell.

>>7497619
You finally got me. What an outfit. I need my balls removed so I can be comfy in a pencil skirt. Pleated skirts too. I'm not very AGP but bras and skirts make me tingly. I believe I have a hard time distinguishing between fetish attraction and feeling sexy.

Do other people here feel a lot of guilt over their AGP fantasies?

The fact that I get turned on by the thought of being a woman doesn't bother me that much by itself, but the sexual fantasies that go along with it do. All of them are submissive and depending on how horny I am involve abuse and extreme degradation. After I finish masturbating (usually to the most extreme submission I can imagine) I feel guilt over being turned on by stuff like that. It really messes with my head.

>>7497929
>I believe I have a hard time distinguishing between fetish attraction and feeling sexy.
There is no difference, just varying intensity. Same as the trans-neutral-cis spectrum.

>>7498342
Yes, absolutely. I'm also a feminist so my sexist fantasies strongly conflict with my values. I try to reason that there is nothing wrong with fantasizing about bad things as long as you never intend to carry them out. Liking violent movies or video games is not immoral for the same reason. I remain emotionally unconvinced though.

>>7498897

Nice double standards, sis.

>>7497619
Are AGP trans women really just fetishist while trutrans are actually trans women and deserve to transition?

>>7499244
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I said the forms are equivalent.

>>7499444
To deserve is a spook.

I just see it in terms of utilitarianism. It fullfils the AGPERS wishes and rids them of distress and in many cases, of dysphoria.

>>7497619
>that pic
hnnnnggh time to get SRS

>>7499795
Gentle reminder: ignore trolls. Giving them any answer at all only prompts them to keep posting.

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>>7499810
Oh, and she has this kind of crap all over her body.

>>7499872
gross
why would she destroy such a nice body like that?

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bampu

>>7502813
I'm sorry Anon it is over all of the other AGPs here transitioned we're the only ones left.

>>7502976
To be honest between the [spoiler]hormones [/spoiler] and SSRI I have zero sex drive anymore. I'm not transitioning though.

>>7503026
Uh Anon you might be secretly transitioning given what skittles do to you. Don't tell yourself though. I'm not sure she'd understand.

>>7503026
tfw you no longer get horny but still want to look feminine

when cure is worse than the disease

>>7503068
Whoa there it's as if your desire to be feminine has nothing to do with a crummy fetish who would've thought???

>>7503074
s-shut up
it all a lie Im not trans I just fell for the meme

>>7503096
Sure thing ma'am. My bad.

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this and the furry fetish are so destructive, It makes you desire a love you could never truly experience. I could never love a women or a man the way I am because Ive trained my brain to believe the only sexual satisfaction there is is the idea of me being a women. Somebody should of warned me this would happen when I was 12

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>>7503141
>desire a love you could never truly experience
>could never love a women or a man the way I am

>>7503141
Generally speaking women are women in their sexual fantasies. A normative cis woman probably wouldn't be able to enjoy a sexual fantasy where she was with a man she was attracted to if she imagined herself as a man in that fantasy. What's the big difference between you and her? You're still attracted to other people, right? If so the "big" difference is that being feminine turns you on in addition to everything else.

>Somebody should of warned me this would happen when I was 12.
Why do you think this would've helped given how this orientation is thought to be inborn?

>>7503141
>>7503160
Epilogue: or you could transition and find love.

>>7503173
spoiler: you cant transition into a girl and no one loves hons

>>7503191
>you cant transition into a girl
Presuming that you're at least 18, which seems reasonable given that you are posting on this site, you're right. You'd be a woman, not a girl.

>no one loves hons
Not everyone can transition and pass, that is true. A whole lot of people can though. Why do you think that you're not among them?

>>7503202
I'm hopeless, broken and broke.

>>7503227
>Hopeless
Physically or spiritually?
If physically.. is it that you have no chance of passing, or that you only think you don't because you're afraid of the alternative?
If spiritually then please listen: there's hope! This can be done!

>Broken
Broken things can be fixed.

>Broke
Hormones are not expensive.

>>7497619
Go home TEFR

>>7503245
I get where you're coming from but people who are aroused by "AGP" fantasies and are trans need a place where they can discuss this and be told that it's okay. The wider community just shuts down all discussions about this because they're used to it being used as a way to attack them. This is not conductive to expressing your doubts and fears though.

>>7503191
truth, just look at mtfg

>>7503368
There are a lot of people there who are far happier now. Acting to improve your situation beats sitting on your ass any day.

>>7503368
I did breh I did >>7502267

>>7504625
>Someone not passing means no one can pass

>>7504664
guess why I relate to that poster and not some happy girl who started from young age

>>7504690
There are people who transitioned at 20+ and did well.

>>7503061
Trust me I'm alright sempai
I'm hopelessly unpassable

>>7504925
You must be confused because *I'm* hopelessly unpassable so that can't be you because I'm already me.

>>7504954
Maybe we are the same person. I wouldn't be surprised to find that I was that insane.

>>7505149
I have pretty much accepted my insanity.
>tfw no Mike Pence to zap you out of wanting to be a woman

>>7503380
>a lot of people who are far happier now
name some

>>7497619
The way she moves her hips...

>>7505213
People like that are under the mistaken impression that everyone in here is young, fem, and smol

Who here /agpandtransitioning/?

Just starting month 16 on HRT. No ragrets.

>>7505213
Done.
>>7505515

Just be warned that /mtfg/ is a cringefest.

>>7505760
Ive seen it, not very encouraging

>>7505760
but thank you for the effort

>>7505987
Granted, I had hoped that more people would respond, but that's at least a few!

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>watching hot POV video
>man enters scene, camera switches to his perspective

I frequently browse the AGP thread, and I can't help but notice how depressing it is. I'm non-binary and AGP but I've never found it particularly distressing. I'm surprised at how distressing and damaging AGP is for many people. Is it common for AGPs to feel this hopeless, or is it because 4chan as a website is filled with NEETs and other social outcasts?

>>7509331
I think this thread selects for people who are also trans and being both AGP and trans is kinda devastating. Just being trans gives you plenty to doubt about. If you throw AGP into the mix you're in for a ride, especially if you don't know better than to believe Blanchard's nonsense.

I don't but I'm the will-never-pass-so-gotta-repress freak which gives me another vector to depression.

Tfw too masculine to ever think about transitioning so I love me an AGP tgirl who would suck my cock and would Cum from me just sucking on their hopefully lactating titties

>>7509331
presumably most of the AGPs who don't feel hopeless never end up on 4/lgbt/ to begin with

>Briefly post with a girl avatar as a joke
>It feels good and natural
>Not even in a sexual way
I am falling down the "pretending you're a girl on the internet" hole aren't I

>>7509331
I used to be cool with it, it was just arousing and enjoyable until it made me dysphoric and unable to have any relationship or sex

>4chan as a website is filled with NEETs and other social outcasts?
that plays a prat too

>>7509350
I think those who are clearly trans are transitioning and occupied more with transition problems to care about AGP
and they are all in trans threads

>>7505644
How is HRT affecting your AGP?

>>7513147
So far it hasn't really. I still masturbate to my own body and shit.

>>7505644
I am, I was hoping that HRT would cure it and it hasn't :( Has made it less bad though.

>>7514129
If you're transitioning why is AGP a problem?

Ive found the best game for AGP people.
Been addicted to it, its pretty tough though.

Its called Trap Quest if anyones interested.

Youll fap a lot.

>>7505213
cornflakes

anons help how do I get out of this cycle? I literally today found out I'm not the only one experiencing this, and it has been putting extreme mental burden on me for a long time now. why can't I just be normal.. worst part is knowing that tomorrow I will be just as thirsty as I was two hours ago.

>>7503166

>Why do you think this would've helped given how this orientation is thought to be inborn?

It's not a fucking orientation. I have zero attraction to men.

>>7512988
Have you looked at some of the posts in this thread? "*3 paragraphs of stereotypical trans indicators* I'M NOT TRANS THOUGH feelsbad". Given the level of misery most posters here exhibit I'm having a hard time imagining more than a small minority of them are actually men. AGP men generally don't go insane and bawl over being AGP. You can tell because there are plenty of web communities where they gather and they're generally an upbeat lot.

My conclusion, then, is that those still here are either new to the whole thing and confused, in denial or otherwise can't transition for some reason. Those who transition (and we had several) eventually move on from this pit of despair.

>>7514129
Have you socially transitioned? If so, for how long have you been out and about?

>>7515090
The degree to which one is autoerotic is generally thought to be a part of what makes an orientation.

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Im so lifeless and my libido is RIP I dont have agp anymore, nothing makes me horny or excited
I bet it would return I felt better or took drugs

>>7514195
>young qt perfectly passing
yeah no shit, I'd be happy if I was her too

>>7515756
*IF I felt better

>>7515756
How's your life going? Why are you down?

>>7514153
It makes me feel disgusting/not trans.
I hate it, I wish It would go away.

It almost feels like dysphoria... at the very least it's distress

>>7519160
>feeling not trans makes you feel disgusting
weird as fuck desu

Do /agp/'s only like women and are submissive?

I mean, if not, how do I find one that I can be all super lovey dovey with?

>>7519261
me

>>7520387
So you're saying you don't like women and you're not submissive?

>>7520449
I'm a different anon but I like men and women and am submissive

>>7498342
You are porn sick. That's the fucking problem, retard. You watch videos of women being degraded, you want to be degraded like that, nothing is more degrading than being a sissy. You are in a dark place, dude, and if you don't get out soon you're going to start jacking off to cp or die with your hand around your dick choking on a noose in j-list thigh highs. If that's the life you wanna lead, fine, but stop whining about it like you didn't get yourself into this mess.

>turn 27
>suddenly the realization that I will probably never transition or even convincingly crossdress in the very near future is very real (and it's pretty bad already)

why god

I had a dream last night that a machine made me female. It didn't make me hot or anything, it just converted what I was into the XX set, and I voluntarily did it. When people asked me if I had started taking hormones or anything, I just went "oh a machine did it" and they left me alone, and it felt good to have it be judged as "just something that happened and now he's living with it" instead of having to justify my decision to others.

fuck, I want out. I want to just be ok with the fact that I committed to stick with being male, but there's always that nagging question in the back of my head these days, conscious or subconscious, going "are you sure? are you suuuuure it's just a fetish?"

How the fuck do other people even deal like this?

>>7519160
Did you socially transition? For how long have you been out as a woman? For how long have you been taking hormones?

>>7520932
Sorry to hear that you're having a hard time Anon. Given that you're this distressed about it... well, same question! Consider just about every other fetish under the sun. People don't flip out over not living out their other fetishes even if they're really into them. That you're this upset makes me think that it can't be "just a fetish".

Why did you decide to commit to being a man?

>>7520932
all me
why didn't it happen earlier or never blew up at all?
maybe cause I used to have a semi-normie life which made me content being male

>>7521391
easier to ignore things and just say to yourself you'll figure it out later when you have school/work/uni to stress out about and occupy most of your thoughts

>>7520795
Gb2 /r/NoFap pls feminist scum

>>7521137
>Consider just about every other fetish under the sun. People don't flip out over not living out their other fetishes even if they're really into them. That you're this upset makes me think that it can't be "just a fetish".
I mean, not every other fetish has a rough equivalent of what turns you on as a persistent thing that exists in the world and people live every day. AGP is unique in that way.

I guarantee you that if there were giant women who walked around and ate people who asked them to do it to them, we'd have threads like these on /d/ full of guys going "guuuuh do I really want to be eaten?" That's part of why the trans community hates us - we sound every bit as ridiculous as that does to them.

>Why did you decide to commit to being a man?
see
>>7523185

It's basically what happened. I was also obese for most of my early 20s and I'm still a bit fat now; I always kinda thought when I lost weight I'd be sorta androgynous and could play with the idea a bit, but I'm nowhere near there. On top of that, a lot of the things I want in life - namely, social stability with a biological family - are completely incompatible with transitioning, especially at my late age. It's why I fantasize about the idea of being able to pass it off as "just something that happened" - it's the only way I think I'd be able to convince everyone that the "me" they knew before and after transition is equally genuine. If it's a decision I make, that's when the whispers start about "holy shit he's crazy and a pervert," etc.

I also haven't found the trans community to be an especially understanding bunch, knowledge of my AGP or not.

Does anyone know how much masturbation affects testosterone and estrogen levels in males? Some anon (not on this board) said that fapping highers estrogen levels in males which makes me wonder if jacking it (usually once a day) is keeping me from getting rid of dysphoric thoughts.

Also, while I'm on the subject, what about diet affecting testosterone/estrogen? I'm not a vegan or anything but I try to not eat too much red meat.

>>7526335
masturbation idk probably not enough that it matters or is even noticeable

diet no

>>7520449
yep

>>7525270
>I mean, not every other fetish has a rough equivalent of what turns you on as a persistent thing that exists in the world and people live every day. AGP is unique in that way.
There are a lot of super mundane, achievable fetishes such as pregnancy but not a lot of perpetually pregnant women in the West. Another thing to consider are the many, many communities of crossdressers whose members identify as male, seem generally happy and function as men. Why are they able to have AGP, indulge it but not go full "tfw not a woman ;~;"? Finally just because something isn't possible does not mean that people can't be incredibly upset over it not happening. Humans are not that rational.

I suppose this is your choice. I can't tell you what to prioritize. What I'll say though is that I don't know anyone for whom repressing worked out, myself included, and I intend to stick to it! While society at large is not exactly accepting of transsexuality you can find people who are and stick to those people. This condition is in a very real way something that just happened to us given that the cause is thought to be exposure to abnormal levels of hormones as a fetus. Go and explain that to normies though..

>>7526752
Well a lot of those mundane fetishes aren't about changing who you are, I'm sure there are lots of people walking around with buttplugs or living other fetishes constantly that aren't noticeable. And with pregnancy as far as I'm aware that's male male fetish far more often than female right? Not like men can get pregnant.

Also you've got to take into account what percentage of people with the fetish actually consider living it out

>>7526335
drink shitton of green tea and eat soy and flax oil
could greatly lower your test
but then why not get on real hrt?

>>7498897
What? you want to be dominated?

It has nothing to do feminism, feminism is bullshit.

Just be a girl. Girls like to be dominated.

I'm so, so sad.

I remember when I was a teenager and used to watch Sailor Moon, something about that used to make me feel so sad, so sad that I could cry.

Then the dysphoria sets in, I used to think that I was ugly, socially awkwardness, I was really wishing I had feminine traits.

The shit got me for real when was 19.

I'm very angry, very sad, full of revengeful thoughts, pretty old to transition, sad, sad, sad, in general. I've cried about 2 times today.

There is no hope for me.

I ofter daydream that I own a genetic laboratory, and found a way to change genetics. I can't wait the day for that become true. That's my only hope.

>>7527750
I'm sorry. I hope you find peace. Are you absolutely sure you can't transition now?

>>7527876
Would never be passable, it would shock everyone, my family wouldn't accept it, and a lot more. It is hopeless.

Unless some medicine miracle happens.

>>7527990
I'm sorry. I'm in the same boat when it comes to passability. It sucks. I try to distract myself by focusing on my career, escapist hobbies and the dream that one day technology could save me. I hope that you find the strength to hold on, too.

Honestly if I could pass but everyone in my life were absolutely against me transitioning and I'd get fired I would still transition. Fuck anyone who doesn't want me to be happy and whole.

>>7528064
That's exactly how I feel, If I could pass, I would go 100% trans for sure. And would start my life again.

But where I stand right now, I would destroy everything, would not be passable and would not be able to "reset" my life in a proper way.

Yeah, just like you, distraction and career is my main focus, I need that or else my life would be 10 times worse. I don't want to have a social life or family anymore, I'm too sad, frustrated and angry for that.

And the funny thing is, I don't want to be fixed to think like a "male", I'd prefer to live with dysphoria than become a normal man. I can only be "fixed" by being a girl.

So... I can only hope that, someday, technology fixes us.

I just don't know what to do anymore


>haven't enjoyed/been happy for several years
>part of it is believing I have no future, I just can't see myself as a man, don't really connect my body with myself
>hate male parts and characteristics
>only thing that makes me feel good in the slightest is sleep or doing girly things

i want to die

>>7528104
>And the funny thing is, I don't want to be fixed to think like a "male", I'd prefer to live with dysphoria than become a normal man. I can only be "fixed" by being a girl.
Ugh. I get you so much on that. I wouldn't be me if something made me okay with being male.

>>7528243
Why are you not transitioning?

>>7528254
>too scared that parents would find out
>too scared of it in general
>don't know if it would even help
>scared that it won't do anything and then I'll just feel like this and there will be no way to not feel like I do
>hate myself for being like this and wish I wasn't
>semi-hoping I just kill myself so no one knows what a fag I am, but I'm too pussy to kill myself so it probably won't happen

>>7528321
>too scared that parents would find out
You have to be who you are, not who your parents want you to be.

>too scared of it in general
I get that, but can it really be worse than what you're going on through now? You're suicidal. If you transition then at least you have a shot at being happy.

>don't know if it would even help
>scared that it won't do anything and then I'll just feel like this and there will be no way to not feel like I do
It is more likely to help than you not doing anything.

>hate myself for being like this and wish I wasn't
You shouldn't hate yourself for things beyond your control. You're not hurting anyone by being like this.

>semi-hoping I just kill myself so no one knows what a fag I am, but I'm too pussy to kill myself so it probably won't happen
There's nothing wrong with being what you are. Please don't hurt yourself. If things are this dire then why not at least make a last ditch effort to improve them? You know what you want. Why not at least try to get it? You think of all of the ways things could go wrong, but what about the ways they could go right?

Do you have anyone IRL you can talk with about how you feel?

>>7528398
>You shouldn't hate yourself for things beyond your control. You're not hurting anyone by being like this.

I know that logically but it doesn't really help how I feel. It's dumb but my parents making fun of some trans person at the jail they work at and talking about how they have to give them "non-essential" medication (hormones) makes me think they won't react well but maybe they're just complaining.


And I probably won't kill myself, most of the time I just feel a passive "I want to die" and then sometimes I get periods lasting up to a day of really wanting to kill myself and having a plan and all that.

I need to just bite the bullet and order hormones.

Will not beating my meat stick for a while help clear my head of AGP? How long?
Can't tell if I'm actually transgender or just REALLY like girls. Only reason I think it might not just be AGP is I'd totally let a cute dude ream my ass like a Pringles can.

>>7528463
probably will not have much impact idk

might as well try it though it's not like it will hurt or cost you anything and you might get something out of it

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>>7528463
>I'd totally let a cute dude ream my ass like a Pringles can.

Anyways, as for your issue, nofap won't do shit.
>actually transgender
Isn't a thing. If you have gender dysphoria you're transgender. That's it. Wanting to be a girl and wanting to kill yourself because you aren't a girl are very different things.

>>7528435
Yeah, I get you. It is one thing to know something is true and another to feel so. Do you have any way to figure out whether your parents/close relatives/friends would be supportive of you? Maybe bring the subject up while discussing politics to disguise your intent, ideally after discussing several other political topics?

Having an unsupportive family is rough but ultimately it is you who has to live your life, who has to be comfortable in your skin. Hope for the best but yes you should probably at least talk to someone in the know about transitioning either way and work toward that.

Good luck. I hope things work out for you.

Can anyone explain to me why discussions about this phenomenon carry such moral weight? There are hundreds of "fetishes" out there and as far as human sexuality goes "fantasizes about experiencing sex as the other sex" seems pretty fucking mundane to me. I don't get it. Is it because of the sissy subculture and all the weird racist shit?

Is there not a statistically significant portion of the population who sometimes has fantasies of crossgender embodiment? I mean I've heard women tell me before that they sometimes wish they had a dick so they could fuck their gf / bf / whatever. But when a woman says it is a "power fantasy"?

Why is it that when the person is male we all flip our shit? Nobody calls women who want dicks autoandrophiles. Its basically an internet meme thats never used in a real diagnostic setting because the guy who coined it did so to placate feminists and doesn't really believe it exists.

I just don't get why this is such a big fucking deal to anyone but the people who are coming to terms with the fact that they experience it. This shit wouldn't matter if people just cared less.

>>7529234
AGP fetishists leeching tax dollars to get HRT and SRS under the pretense of being transgender is a shitshow and a half.
Also men and everything men do is being scrutinized by other men and some women because fuck you that's why. Patriarchy or feminism or toxic masculinity whathaveyou.

>>7503202
>You'd be a woman, not a girl.
Wrong, I wouldn't be that either.

>>7526656
That's pretty hot senpai. Where do I find someone like you?

>>7529234
To put it as directly as possible it is a big deal because people try to use it as an excuse to hate and a tool to harm us. A reason why we are not legitimate, can't be trans and deserve no help. For an example of that see the first line of the very first response to your post. After all of these years people are *still* pushing this fucking stupid "fetishists are stealing your tax dollars to fulfill their sick fantasies!" narrative. People are *still* shaming others into repressing by saying they're not "really trans".

This shit matters because there are a lot of people who actively wield it as a weapon.

>>7529314
Fuck off you communist dreg. You not only waste peoples' money you trap real transgender people in waiting lists for treatment behind your unconscionably self-indulgent ass. This "narrative" is horribly real and we've seen it put on display time and time again. I am not saying there aren't transgender people who can get off to this fetish but there are a staggering number of creeps who "discover" they're "transgender" after an adolescence of idolizing femininity through media or worse masturbating to gender bender, sissy, feminization, or what the fuck ever porn. Moshi moshi Chris-chan desu, want to come to my lesbian pillow party?

>>7529385
You are the enemy, and are not fooling anyone. Please leave.

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>>7529385
okay dude

>>7529480
that would be one kawai gulag
since commies prosecuted gays

>>7498342
>Do other people here feel a lot of guilt over their AGP fantasies?
Yes, and like you they are about being extremely submissive as a woman.

>>7498897
>I'm also a feminist so my sexist fantasies strongly conflict with my values.
I'm an anti-feminist and same.

>I remain emotionally unconvinced though.
Me too.

>>7529314
>After all of these years people are *still* pushing this fucking stupid "fetishists are stealing your tax dollars to fulfill their sick fantasies!" narrative.
Just don't fund any transitions with tax dollars? Problem solved.

>>7529256
The only ones establishing a hierarchy of legitimacy are other transgenders. Blanchard considers both agps and hsts to be equally transgender; that is he understands that transgenders are essentially males who (for varying reasons) wish they were women. hsts are not 'more female' or 'less male'. The distinction only exists in your head. In the end both are genetically and phenotypically male.

>>7529385
>waiting lists
Exist with or without those people. Administering HRT requires semi specialized knowledge that not all doctors have. SRS is a rare skill set that services a vanishingly small percentage of the population who both desire and have the privilege to afford it. Transition care is necessarily limited and rationed because it 1) affects less than 20m people worldwide 2) is not a life or death condition. People die by the millions due to conditions like cancer and malaria. If someone is so mentally ill that they kill themselves because they had to wait an extra year to have their penis inverted the world is better off without such selfish people.

>masturbating to gender bender, sissy, feminization, or what the fuck ever porn
You must live in a boring world where everybody is heterosexual and has missionary sex with through the sheets with the lights off. All of these things have problematic elements, but there's nothing inherently immoral about wishing to be feminine because it makes you feel good sexually.

>>7530710
That's exactly the goal of the fundamentalist pieces of shit pushing this ludicrous plotline, with the end goal of getting rid of transsexuals by ensuring they can't get help. As always it is easier to kill the poor first.

>>7531689
Only on 4chan, and only because a lot of users here lean hard right. The people who have been pushing this agenda for decades are the fundies who are to this day still trying to use it to defund trans care, pass anti-trans laws and generally make sure that existence is sufficiently intolerable as a transsexual that people repress or kill themselves instead.

This is the main reason people still quote Blanchard despite him being discredited, by the way. He gives the agenda "scientific" backing.

>>7531744
>..but there's nothing inherently immoral about wishing to be feminine because it makes you feel good sexually.
I seriously doubt more than a scant few have ever transitioned for reasons other than dysphoria purely because of the intense costs attached to doing so.

>>7530154
I just get off on on a fantasy of being a woman, I dont like the humiliation or degrading stuff or forcedfem, it seemed exciting before now its cringe, I cant enjoy 'sissy' porn anymore
I want to be loved -_-

>>7528243
I feel all of this so hard except the "girly things" bit.

I don't know why, but when I think of my ideal self I just think of someone on the androgynous side of female, or someone whose femininity is just background info. I think those are the freest people in the world. They can wear what they want and act how they want and nobody bats an eye. I think of myself like that and not only is it arousing, but suddenly all the traits I have I'm much more ok with for reasons I can't explain.

I never wanted to be Sailor Moon. I wanted to be Revy Two-Hands. I'm not sure if that makes me less trans or more.

(yeah I know she probably did sex work and is basically just Hiroe's personal BDSM fetish OC but her sex appeal never really registered with me nearly as much as just how fucking cool she was)

>>7528321
Wow, you're like a super pussy.

Rather kill yourself than possibly be considered abnormal by people who aren't great people in that case anyway

>>7532229
Is there any reason why you can't become who you'd like to be?

>>7532231
I know you're trying to help but please be kinder to vulnerable people.

>>7532246
I'm >>7525270 as well.

I think a lot of it is mental. I have never really felt like my life was my own to live. I've always thought I needed to meet certain expectations and demands, from my parents, from society, from the government, etc. Everyone has expectations and when you're a man, you're expected to fulfill them. Yeah, I'm AGP, but I think part of what makes me wonder and worry whether or not I'm trans is looking at how the world basically tells women "you can and should do what makes you feel happy" while I have always felt and continue to feel that men who do not have a cause or personal loyalty they treat as higher than themselves are failures - basically, if a man won't die for something or someone willingly, he is not a true man in my eyes. I know it sounds dumb and super fedora, but that's what I was raised to believe and I can't just walk away from that belief.

The problem is, I'm getting old enough that I'm starting to despair about that being the fate that I've been dealt, and that I'm going to have my own values force me to avoid living for myself. It's terrifying, and when you combine that with AGP it's not hard to develop a "grass is greener" mentality that I can't be certain is or isn't actual transsexuality.

>>7532264
Here's how I see it: no one has ever asked to be born. We are brought into this world without any say in the matter then raised by our parents and our society, living by inertia. What choice did we have but to do just that? I think that it is good and noble for a person to give back to the people who helped them but also that it is not only unreasonable but also wrong to expect a person to live for others while they themselves suffer. What of their own happiness, their duty to themselves? If this society does not care enough for the person to let them be happy then that person has no obligation to this society, especially since they never even chose to be part of it! Each person is the only one who can give meaning to their life. Seek your own happiness and help who you can along the way. That's the best anyone can do, the most anyone can be asked for.

If you must have a higher cause, pursue it while also pursuing your own happiness. If those around you wish you to live for them but not for you.. is that just? You can both transition and dedicate yourself to helping others, even if not those others who would deny you your one chance at being happy.

As to this being why you wish to live as a woman.. I have my doubts on that considering that many people struggle with the whole individualism vs collectivism thing without despairing over their gender. If you really do feel so much like
>>7528243
then it seems rather unlikely that all of your gender-unrelated suffering manifests exclusively as gender-related suffering.

>>7532127
>seriously doubt more than a scant few have ever transitioned for reasons other than dysphoria
I don't disagree. I didn't mean to imply that was the case if I did. I'm just trying to say people are making more out of this than they need to. Out of all the odd shit humans do sexually, being turned on by experiencing sex as the other gender is basically a non issue. Its ridiculous that for the longest time it was classified in the same category of illnesses as kiddie fuckers and dog fuckers.

While transition being expensive probably keeps a lot of casual fetishists away, I think the bigger deterrent is the fact that the social costs are even higher. Very few people have the privilege to transition and lose nothing. Most people do no exist in bubbles of perfect acceptance. I think that alone helps filter out the people for whom its exclusively a fetish that they can live without, and the people who have dysphoria alongside their sexual desires.

>>7531744
>>masturbating to gender bender, sissy, feminization, or what the fuck ever porn
>there's nothing inherently immoral about wishing to be feminine because it makes you feel good sexually.
It's the misandrist stigma against male sexuality, being enacted against transsexuals by transsexuals.

>>7534136
Yeah, I agree. Just wanted to make sure we're on the same page.

>>7530118
nothing inherently anti lgbt in communism

what percentage of you run pretend to be trutrans and bully other agps to save face. I know i do. I've gone as far as to get srs and everything. I do feel i'm still not womanly enough for myself.

>>7537588
>communism = anti-human
>lgbt = human
ergo
>communism = anti-lgbt

>>7537602
Did you get SRS just to prove you're trutrans and not AGP?

What do you do to AGPs?

>>7537602
>trutrans vs AGP
is a false dichotomy. Fucking Blanchard recently tweeted that he considers "AGP"s more "trutrans" so even if you believe his research (and you shouldn't) you still have no excuse.

>>7537630
Based Blanchard.

Do I still count as truer if I'm HSAGP?

>>7537612
i got it because I need it to be sexually fulfilled. Its the ultimate agp. Rubbing your legs together with nothing between them is the best feeling ever. It really tickles that agp sweet spot.

>>7537630
I don't care. People still have stigma against agps. Can't run around saying i'm just a guy with a fetish.

>>7537793
>Rubbing your legs together with nothing between them is the best feeling ever. It really tickles that agp sweet spot.
Makes me wish I'd transitioned.

>>7537793
waitwhat, you transitioned without experiencing dysphoria? That's really strange. Your life though I guess.

>>7537816
Best decision of my life. There is no happier agp than a fully transitioned one.

Then again I started early so I had a chance. it would suck to be stuck in hon limbo. I might not be an actual woman, but this, this is was worth it in every way. Think about it, people in previous generations didn't have the medical science we have today. People today have the chance to live amazingly close lives to those of women. I can look in the mirror and smile.

I can't be bothered to try and figure out whether my desire to be a woman is rooted in sexual desires or not. Do I belong here, or in MtFG?

>>7537842
Both. Pretend its 100% non sexual in mtfg. Then drop your trip and post here about how you really feel. Its what everyone else does.

>>7537842
Why not both? Though you should probably try to figure this out anyhow.

>>7537840
ree

>>7537840
I thought AGP went away with transition???

>>7537862
that's a meme

>>7537862
Idk. I have sex with other people, but i know my sexuality is only functional because I'm a woman now. I still masturbate alone with only my body to keep me company, but don't tell my trutrans friends that.

>>7537837
It was crippling enough just not in the same way. it was constant thought. It kept me from functioning in any other way. Therapist put me on the path when I was 15, and I'm really thankful.

>>7537873
>masturbating alone is AGP

Jesus christ the people on this board are dumb.

>>7537879
I masturbate to my own image.

>>7537873
AGP that doesn't go away when you can actually experience sex as a woman is the dream sexuality.

Do you like sex with men or women?

>but i know my sexuality is only functional because I'm a woman now.
That's the same for non-AGP trans women.

>I still masturbate alone with only my body to keep me company, but don't tell my trutrans friends that.
But that's not AGP unless you're actually masturbating to the thought of being female itself.

>>7537883
>>7537882

Is masturbating to the thought of being feminine but not a woman (like, perhaps, the thought of being a femboy) AGP?

>>7537793
>I don't care. People still have stigma against agps. Can't run around saying i'm just a guy with a fetish.
Fair, but by using these terms you're fucking over the majority of AGP transitioners who transitioned due to feeling gender dysphoria.

>>7537862
It typically does after you socially and medically transition and spend a few years living that way. This is more or less universally recognized with the main difference in opinion between the pro/anti-Blanchard crowds being on the cause of this. Blanchard/etc believe that the male libido and AGP along with it are quenched by prolonged HRT treatment. His opponents point out that transwomen are otherwise more sexually active than cis women and that the cause is publicly transitioning normalizing the experience of womanhood. I don't think I've read any studies that addressed this directly but one that is often quoted by them is " Sexual arousal associated with private as compared to public feminine dressing among male-to-female transgender persons: A further response to Lawrence", Archives of Sexual Behavior, 40(6), which shows that of the transwomen who only wear feminine clothes in private 49–78% (depending on which definition you use) are aroused by the act while only 8–11% of transwomen who live and dress as women full time are aroused by doing so.

>>7537882
>>7537901
I see. And the other questions in >>7537883 ?

>>7537923
No that's autofemboyphilia or AFP.

Seriously though, probably. What's the fantasy?

>>7537955
I have sex with people, not men or women. I really don't care, both offer different things.

>>7529385
The real question is, are those creeps actually transgender? Or just straight men with AGP? I feel like I can relate to those creeps but I have too much pride/shame to express my AGP openly.

>>7531689
I've always felt the HSTS types are much closer to a ciswoman and have more legitimacy. However this is not what Blanchard feels. Since we don't really understand transgenderism, we can't say if one variant is more valid than another.

>>7537793
>>7537873
I envy your leg rubbing thing but I don't have crippling dysphoria. Do I transition?

>>7537973
Do you think you would have a good chance? If you think you could make it and not be a hon I say why not. Just make sure you have money and support for it.

>>7537630
Ok I heard about that, wtf how? Is he just trolling? How are AGPs more valid when trutrans seems closer to what a transwoman would logically be? Sillyolme just got btfo by based Blanchard.

>>7537998
I'm scared of being a hon. I won't do it. I'm not 15 like you were.

>>7537924
>Blanchard/etc believe that the male libido and AGP along with it are quenched by prolonged HRT treatment. His opponents point out that transwomen are otherwise more sexually active than cis women and that the cause is publicly transitioning normalizing the experience of womanhood.
They could both be true.

>>7538031
Sorry. I've known girls that started older, but who knows what your situation is.

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>>7497619
If you've ever thought "I'm a woman trapped in a man's body" and transitioned because of that, you're AGP.

According to Blanchard's observations, true transgender people transition not because they believe they're "women trapped in men's bodies" but in order to improve their social/daily functioning. Doing the things they want to do, wearing a dress because it makes them more confident and functional and able to make friends. Not wearing a dress because they want to became a woman.

>>7538063
Things have gotten so backwards holy shit

>>7538054
Yeah, I suppose. HRT factually does reduce libido but then it does not reduce it enough to make transwomen less sexually active than cis women so the idea that only AGP fades as a result is a bit weird.

>>7538063
>>7538076
I hope this will finally make people dump this hack desu.

>>7538063
But those are exactly the same thing, just expressed differently. The one person interprets it as feels and being trapped, the other explains why they're uncomfortable with being male.

>>7538076
The only reason the trapped in man's body rhetoric caught on was because a subset of trans people were incredibly desperate to not appear as gay men. They flipped everything. These are hons. Today outside the tumblr snowflake groups there has been a return to hsts as being the true trans, but artifacts from the age of agp dominance remain, such as that phrase.

>>7537840
>Think about it, people in previous generations didn't have the medical science we have today. People today have the chance to live amazingly close lives to those of women. I can look in the mirror and smile.
How close are you?

>>7538063
turns out im trutrans after all

>>7538259
Close enough. I might never get pregnant or have children, but other than that this meets all my needs.

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>fap to AGP-ish stuff(self insert as woman obsessively and shit)
>climax
>still feel dysphoria
>go to sleep
>dream that I'm a woman with absolutely no sexual undertones

what did i mean by this

>>7538767
you were never agp, get out. >>>/mtfg/

>>7538781
but how about
>>fap to AGP-ish stuff(self insert as woman obsessively and shit)

>>7538786
just misdirection caused by your dysphoria, get out.

>>7537973
you can try, but unless you're willing to put in the effort in life as trans person, you'll probably quit

and it's ok, b/c most quit

>>7538767
>tfw you never get to dream that your a girl

I'd honestly settle for being a woman in my dreams but it never fucking happens.

>>7538767
Spoiler: you're probably trans.

First time on /lgbt/ but unjust had a dream that concerns me. I dreamed I was my ex girlfriend. I remember still having a dick but I was a cute girl and that made me ridiculously happy. I was watching myself move in the mirror and making cute poses.at one point I talked and noticed my voice was feminine too. I started singing all the female parts of songs I could never sing before.

What is wrong with me? Why am I dreaming of this now? I'm in my 20's so I should know my desires by now. In the past I've wanted to be cute, even tried pulling off the trap look. I did it OK but my jaw line and arms are manly. Either way though, it's never gone this far. How do I become normie again?

>>7538996
Welcome to hell.

>>7538063
That's how I feel, but also, I really like women dresses, the way it is designed highlight some body parts and stuff.

So I find it really cute and sexy.

I'm afraid I can't interact with women neither, because I won't be accepted, and women tends to be really malicious.

So I always daydream about having genderless/trans people interaction, so I can have a proper social and happy life.

The worst thing about being trans, is that there are parts of your brain that develops like a male one, so I can never be malicious with anyone, I'm actually really passive, and in a ideal world I'd be lovely and helpful all the time.

Think about it always make me want to cry.

>>7537588
No, there is none, absolutely none.

Except for hundreds of thousands people who has been repressed by Guevara and friends, and repressed people who lives in Russia.

Not to talk about how they want to control your fucking life from birth to death. Besides that, there is nothing anti lgbt in communism, (but still... there is.)

>>7538996
AGP is normal, just like wanting to be cute and pretty or fit and ripped. Its sexual cause you are sexually attracted to female form which is absolutely natural too.

>>7539118
But the dream wasn't sexual. Being a cute girl, or rather trap because dick, just made me happy not horny. I don't find guys hot. I do find girls hot. I like being a a cutie more then I like being /fit/. >>7539029 is right. What is this hell

>>7538996
Dreams don't have to mean anything; it's all up to interpretation and context. Even if you feel an emotional reaction in the dream it doesn't mean that's how you actually feel in real life.

Do you want to be female at all? Do you feel that way about being cute and feminine outside of the dream? Do you feel bad about not being feminine (and if so why)? If you answer "yes" or "maybe" for any of those then it's worth thinking about more, especially if you think you'd be happier actually transitioning or living as a woman day-to-day, rather than it just being a fantasy you intensely want to fulfill.

I mean, do you even want to fulfill this or are you just concerned about how the dream made you feel?

>>7539229
I don't want to be trans or a girl. I like my dick and I like girls. I do, however, wish I could be cute. If being cute was as simple for me as it was for a girl, just putting on an act and a set of cloths, I'd be happy. Cute guys are just seen as gay and it's a different kind of cute.

>>7538063
>tfw somehow trutrans and aap
Thanks god aap doesn't exist


>>7539051
>I'm afraid I can't interact with women neither, because I won't be accepted, and women tends to be really malicious.
This is a common sentiment in cis women desu so at least you wouldn't stand out as a girl

What do you guys think about the works of Anne Lawrence, I feel like she pretty well describes me.

What I want to know is what happens to AGP after transition, (social, not just HRT)

Does it persist, or does it go away?

>>7538000
Sillyolme is an old overweight hon. Who cares what it thinks?

>>7540702
>muh academia

Gentle reminder for all AGPs to visit /repgen/ - Repression General, our other thread >>7535955

Gentle reminder for all AGPs to visit /mtfg/ - Male to Female General, our other thread >>7541344

>>7541719
>>7542031
can we pls have /congen/ - confused general, for agps who haven't decided between tranny and repression yet?

>>7542575
That's this thread.

>>7542585
o rite ofc

>>7540350
You know she sexually assaulted patients, and projects her perversions on everyone else, right?

>>7542670
>and projects her perversions on everyone else
Is that unusual for trans people?

>be me, bi twink
>mid 20s
>first kiss was a guy
>heavily repressed homofeels since childhood
>also heavily bullied since childhood
>started to hate dudes because of both
>puberty starts and wrecks my self esteem
>i don't want to grow up to look like my dad
>find out about crossdressing and genderbender hentai
>start exploring anal and crossdressing irl
>begin to wish i had a vag so i wouldn't have to worry about anal prep
>eventually begin thinking maybe being a girl would just be better
>maybe guys wouldn't treat me like shit if i were a girl (lol)
>start taking black market hrt at 17
>start slutting it up with guys (still boymode)
>its ok but most of them only want me to fuck them
>try repressing again and dating a couple girls too
>pussy is nothing to write home about. like an ass with 100% more child support.
>lose my anal virginity to a transgirl at 19
>holy shit dick is amazing
>start slutting it up with pretty much anyone attractive with a dick
>still have fantasies about vaginas but only if i have one


Wtf even is this? I love slender beautiful men, fem guys, transgirls... I can't even get it up around a girl most of the time. If I imagine a girl they're like a murky formless blob with genitalia that only exists to facilitate a specific fantasy. There's nothing about women thats really that enticing that I can't get from a guy as well. But the idea of having a vag turns me on? I already have small boiboobs and sometimes that fact turns me on too. Or at least the idea of other people touching and feeling them does. Their existence is pretty much a mundane fact of life to me at this point. Is this AGP or what? I mean I originally started taking HRT just because I wanted to preserve my looks avoid going full sasquatch. But I feel like theres this sort of background feminization thats pervaded the whole thing as well. I'm at the point now where if I wanted to I could easily make girlmode happen, but I don't think I want to do it if its just a fetish.

If I don't get an erection to crossdressing at all after coming to terms with my (potential) transgenderism, but still occasionally leak precum, does this make me AGP?

>>7543587
It means you've mostly cured your AGP but still have a way to go.

>>7542670
I didn't know that, that's awful. But that doesn't mean she's wrong.

>>7543826
What does that mean? Does it mean I can stop crossdressing and live as a heterosexual male now?

AM I CURED?!? :D

>>7544083
No, not yet. But maybe in the future you'll become a cis male again.

I didn't say anything about heterosexual.

ok but give me an agp top gf

>>7544956
>top
what is this

>>7544988
i want bepis in me

I've already come out to my family & friends but it's kind of hard to come out at work. I'm getting there but it seems like all people want me to do in the offtime is suck cock!! What a struggle

>>7544996
no anon, agp gf wants bepis in her.

>>7542670
Yeah its a shame we share the same condition with such a creep.

I am an agp gf top and I will bepis another qt agp g

>>7545024
> This level of bimbofication shitposting
Wew my god, lad!

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>>7545082

that's me ;p

>>7545076
>being lesbiagpn
>not being truagp

>>7537793
i want that feel so bad but i'm an old hon so there's no hope

kill me now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq64B99QKSY

>>7542031
halp! Im starting to enjoy mtfg
feels like Im an old housewife who has no life and watches soap operas instead

>>7543587
There's more to it than physiological reactions. If you still feel some sort of sexual attraction to it, regardless of what that may be, you're still AGP.

>>7540350
>What do you guys think about the works of Anne Lawrence?
I think that she supports the Blanchardian view and that this view is hopelessly flawed for all of the reasons you must've heard a thousand times already. Him massaging the data, inferring causation from data that only showed correlation and so on.

>What I want to know is what happens to AGP after transition, (social, not just HRT)
See the second part of
>>7537924

>>7543587
Are you undergoing HRT? If so, for how long?
Are you living as a woman publicly as well as privately? If so, for how long?

>>7543110
Are you comfortable in your body as it is? If you could have a woman's body and have people be completely acceptive of this but still refer to and think of you as a man would you be content? If you could act in a stereotypically feminine fashion without this being looked down on by those around you but had to live with your body as it is would you be content? Why did you answer the way you did?

>>7545842
Uergh AGP makes me feel so disgusting. I don't want a future where I am post transition and still AGP.

I'm on HRT and it's less now, especially the "sexual" part but I would say I have an emotional attachment to the idea of me being female. Like Lawrence says, the concept of my post transition life, even in the abstract brings me great comfort, it's almost like being in love with the possibility of the future (if that makes sense)

I know it's not going to happen (Chromosomes, skull size, ect). Really, especially with my face, skull, body ect, I'll never be female. But maybe with work and sacrifice I can get to some sort of middle ground, less masculine at least.

I just want to be happy damn it :(

I should see a therapist...

>>7548800
>I should see a therapist...
Please do. The fact that you haven't yet you're taking HRT and making all of these grand proclamations about your mental health status while referencing debunked researchers is simply troubling.

>>7548814
Yeah I know right, I did kind of see one before, but really bad experience, and now i'm scared they're gonna take me off HRT if they find out about my AGP.

>>7548800
Seconding the therapist part. Keep in mind that actually living as a woman for a prolonged period of time, both publicly and privately, is part of what is thought to "quench" AGP so if that's what you are after just being on HRT won't help.

>>7548841
Sorry to hear that. Try to find someone who is knowledgeable about the subject and is not bigoted. I can only say that the majority of transitioners overcome AGP, but the same statistics I'm using to claim that say that not all do.

>>7548814
if you want to belittle agp take it somehwere else my senpai

Has anyone stopped taking hormones and have their boobs flatten out again?
I'm really worried I'm just gonna fuck up my body, be an ugly hon, and won't even be able to return to a guy. Or if I do keep taking hormones I'll look really weird cause it changes your skin. I've seen pics of long term use and it seems to drastically alter skin tone and whatnot

>>7511508
I used to do this stuff and I have a friend who still does it but tries to say he doesn't (If you knew him you'd know that's a lie) but its very understandable.

Question, does it feel good because you get more attention, or does it feel good cause you're playing as a female and that reason only?

>>7549064
I think if you stop boobs would get smaller but any breast tissue that formed won't go away. No idea of about the skin tone but I assume if there was any change it would reverse since skin is constantly shedding and growing new.

>>7548852
Eh, for financial reasons, If I do see one It will have to be a state sponsored one. Talking of which, does anyone know
if UK NHS gender therapists' stance on AGP? I am really scared

>>7549064
I've seen this happen to FtM who went on T but you need really, really small breasts

Although if you get left with small gyno it shouldn't be that much of a problem, is not particularly attractive but happens to cis men too and a lot of the time is not even a total dealbraker in dating (just like most people don't like completely flat girls but won't necessarily write them off if the rest is cute)
If you're worried you could just stay skinny


Skin tone is hormone related and reversible
No clue why would you worry about this, it only makes your skin softer and paler

>>7549064
>I've seen pics of long term use and it seems to drastically alter skin tone and whatnot

How many of those have you seen? Of all the timelines I've looked at the only one where their skin tone changed was that one person on here who went from olive to fair/pale.

>>7550418
I am skinny, I'm like 115-120lbs-ish but I've still got little boobs already sprouting up and I'm like 2 months in only
>>7550441
Well maybe it's people's makeup. I dunno I just don't want it to be too obvious. I'm not sure if I can even pass, pretty sure I'll be hon-tier without tons of surgery

Is the discord broken

>>7550734
looks like some dumbotron used a temporary link

A8aZNQG

I beat agp with depression, farewell

>>7550406
Do not relate it transition as a sexual fetish or consider it as cross dressing.

>>7550162
I don't think it is attention since I was getting plenty of attention anyhow. I don't really know the reason, only that I felt the way I did.

>>7548814
>>7548841
why would a therapist help?

>>7549051
Probably most people here don't support the Blanchard/Bailey/Lawrence perspective on AGP, while still (of course) supporting a different idea of AGP.

>>7551215
it won't

>>7551250
When I first showed up to /LGBT/ I was a staunch believer in BBL style AGP. I figure some newfags will have that background. I came from an alt-right/terf background as well.

Nowadays I wonder whether AGPs are straight men with an AGP problem, or women with a testosterone problem.

>>7551416
>Nowadays I wonder whether AGPs are straight men with an AGP problem, or women with a testosterone problem.
Where do you draw the line?

>>7551431
Orthodox BBL will say the former, trans community(including WPATH) will say the later. I simply have no way of knowing at this time. They need to do more research and see if they can find links between the AGP brain and the cisfemale brain.

>>7551451
Hopefully this doesn't sound too tumblr, but the way I see it is everything is a spectrum. On the identity/sexuality spectrum, we have men on one side, women on the other, and overlapping areas for any different variant you care to define.

>>7551250
This.

>>7551250
>the Blanchard/Bailey/Lawrence perspective on AGP
Lawrence thinks AGPs are the truest too?

>>7551309
I know but I wanted to hear why they thought it would.

>>7551215
Because talking to trained professionals about issues they know a great deal more than you about could help you figure things out.

>>7551514
>issues they know a great deal more than you
HAHAHAHA

>>7551525
Some of them absolutely do know more than you and anyone else in this thread. Dedicating your life to something tends to do that. Some know shit about gender and transsexualism because that's not their specialty.

>>7551487
Blanchard implying that AGPs are the truest is a shocking 2017 development. I doubt the rest of the orthodox AGP crew is even aware of this.

Blanchard is probably doing it for the lolz. Maybe he reads 4chan after all?

>>7551532
>ywn get therapy from Blanchard himself

>>7551547
he re-tweeted someones personal opinion, he didn't say anything like that

>>7551547
It was pretty much implied in Bailey's TMWWBQ.

>>7551588
No but it opens up the question of whether he agrees with it. Seems like a troll to me. Now AGPs can be like "we truest nigga" and Sillyolhon will be like *shitty hon falsetto* "ummm excuse me no he didn't actually say that"

>>7551590
Would come as a shock to the terfs and the transphobes.

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>>7551547
>>7497619
>>7551487
>Lawrence thinks AGPs are the truest too?
So it's confirmed then, Laurence and his pervertred friends were really just trying to give the Hons controll of transsexuality, make hons and other perverts the only ones allowed to transition.

They already made it clear that by their archetype all AGP are middle aged monstrous caricaturish hons like Andrew Laurence

And those hons also happen to be the only trans that are pedophiles, petverts and rapists and other monsters.

So he wants to make hon petverts the only type of trans around.

What say everyone rally and talk the Altright and mainstream into genociding every single "true" hon.

Trans won't exist according to Blanchard so all the better. The mantle will be pased on to boys who look like girls and have pill habits and live without the shame of these "true trans" hons existing.
>>7551675
>Sillyolhon
He's AGP too, all hons are AGP, and he's a confirmed kid obsessed pervert too

>>7550977
that doesn't really sound like you improved though

Best starter stockings/heels/garters?

Finally found this term and it fits really well to how Ive been thinking. Looking to explore.

>>7552983
>So it's confirmed then, Laurence and his pervertred friends were really just trying to give the Hons controll of transsexuality, make hons and other perverts the only ones allowed to transition.
Obviously the solution is helping AGPs transition earlier.

>And those hons also happen to be the only trans that are pedophiles, petverts and rapists and other monsters.
HSTS lies.

>>7552983
>Laurence and his pervertred friends were really just trying to give the Hons controll of transsexuality
Like a lot of AGPs Lawrence is self hating. I don't think the aim is to give the 'hons' control of anything though. In a way the statement that AGP are more true trans makes sense if you don't buy into the innate identity argument. AGPs want female bodies because they want to experience sex as women. HSTS want female bodies why? Because masculine gay men don't date flamers and straight guys aren't curious about cock? Even that isn't true because there are tons of south american and asian trannies living out their lives as khatoey and travesti with no intention of getting their dick cut off. Why? Because at the heart of it all they're feminine MEN and they enjoy having dicks and having sex with men, as men.

>And those hons also happen to be the only trans that are pedophiles, petverts and rapists and other monsters.
>No gay men have ever been perverts, rapists or pedophiles
Uhhhh okay then sure. Perversion doesn't discriminate based on orientation, and orientation itself is a nebulous concept rooted more in 19th century psychotherapy than in science.

>everyone rally and talk the Altright and mainstream into genociding every single "true" hon
Pointless waste of energy. Nobody outside of some third world Arab or Slavic shithole is going to do it.

don't waste your time responding to bait...

>Fantasize about what my day to day life as a cool lady would be like
>Not turned on
>Fantasize about specifying to a doctor how I'd like to look, which is exactly how I looked in the previously mentioned fantasy
>Instant boner
Someone please explain myself to me.

>>7557468
It's the process of switching that turns you on?

Now imagine you've just become the woman after talking to the doctor. It's your first day as her, not a standard day when you're used to being her. Does that turn you on?

>>7554982
Most trannies that keep their dicks do so begrudgingly because they either cannot afford SRS or feel that it's an archaic procedure that's best results are only a dysfunctional approximation of a vagina. It's not because they like being men, dumbass.

>manage to have non-AGP fantasies for almost two weeks and even fap and cum to non-AGP stuff
>"see it was just a silly phase nothing to worry about"
>start thinking about AGP stuff last night
>start off fairly innocent as usual
>after 30 minutes: "I want to be a pretty girl and have all the cocks inside me and be degraded now!"

JDIMSA

>>7557529
>or feel that it's an archaic procedure that's best results are only a dysfunctional approximation of a vagina
This. The moment I can become fully a cis girl, I will. So how dare anybody tell me I'm not really trans?

>>7551588

Could you give me the link to Blanchard's tweet?

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>>7554390
is it better to be a pervert or asexual? hard to say

>>7557468
you have conditioned your brain to be aroused by feminization, not the result
I've read one transwoman who still got aroused by feminization fantasies even after the transition

>>7557887
pic

>>7554982
Oh shit now I get it. Don't forget social interactions too, they go from being a beta fag to a qt woman.

>>7557529
I enjoy my penis, but in my early teens being a woman with a vagina was very appealing. With my masc body I'd rather have the dick to go with it.

>>7554813
>Obviously the solution is helping AGPs transition earlier.
If they aren't AGP they'd be so radically difrent from the theory of AGP that they'd be something else.

Even Blanchard and Andrew and the others admit that being AGP is inseparable from being a monstrous hon.


So we can eliminate the AGP lable and use hon because it's better descriptive of the AGP phenotype.
>HSTS lies.
Look at every pervert, predator or otherwise monster on GenderTrender they're always hideous hons.

There has never been a cute who's a monster inside. So beauty and hideousness are perfect proxies for non AGP/AGP status.

And btw any hsts who's a hon is automatically AGP and corrupted.

>>7558360
>If they aren't AGP they'd be so radically different from
If they aren't hons I mean. Non hons that somehow are "AGP" according to your criteria are so different from Blanchards idea of "True trans"/AGP that they have to be something else.

Remember even he says that being a hon is a key part of AGP

>>7558360
>GenderTrender
lol

>>7558449
It'd true though, every "true trans" that's a monster is a hon and every hon is true AGP and every true AGP is a hon

Find one example to contradict cause seriously just look at the pedos the voyures and the wife beaters they all look like monsters

>>7558460
It'd very true you'd right.

>>7558465
Hon final solution when?

>>7558360
>GenderTrender

>being this beholden to a slave ideology

>>7558646
They're right on this. Every one of those AGP hons that Blanchard calls his chosen people is a monster who does unspeakable things.

Everyone who looks like a monster is AGP.

It's very simple all the monsters look like monsters. And they're always doing what they can to take over and spreading their rot everywhere.

>>7499444
trutrans is in a way more agp than agp itself because they try to ignore that they can never be fully female while agps accept that their desire is just a fantasy, agps just put a sexual bent to it.

>>7559419
The problem is the traditional definition of AGP means every AGP is a monstrous hon and they're all perverts and abusers and other kinds of monsters

So they aren't even human, just gotgesque parodies of humanity

>>7559419
AGP doesn't necessarily accept anything, its not an ideology, its just a fact of life. Personal beliefs are entirely separate.

>>7558360
Yes GenderTrender is fun, but you realize that it's all cherry picked right? Well behaved feminine looking AGPs don't make waves. I think part of the problem is, the barriers to transition were much higher in the past. So you'd end up with delusional, aggressive, narcissistic, masculine AGPs actually transitioning.

>exclusively fap to thoughts of being a woman since I was like 16
>im 25 now
>thoughts are usually about being very submissive
>self inserting bdsm porn
Am I trans or just fucked in the head /agp/? This is literally the only thing that turns me on

>>7557560
>after 30 minutes: "I want to be a pretty girl and have all the cocks inside me and be degraded now!"
Whyboner.jpg

>> tfw you put on panties for the first time after an orchiectomy

my panties fit so much better!

>>7551588
>>7557887
Retweets can't be linked to.

>>7559861
i mean they internally accept that it is the truth because of the nature of their fetish

>>7559563
i believe that the blanchard definition of agp includes trans women who've had gender reassignment surgery yet still fetishize their look

>>7562803
so jealous I hate tucking

>>7562766
well you could be trans or it could just be a normal fetish, depends mostly on how much it affects your life I guess.

How do I become AGP?

>>7564218
Honey, AGPs are born not made. When I was around 10-11 and started looking at porn, I wanted to be the woman. Initially I wanted to be a lesbian, I knew I'd get a "sexchange" and do lesbian porn when I was an adult. It never happened, but thats how AGP boys think. Even now I'll walk by the womens clothing section and think "thats so cute, I wish I could wear that".

>>7564266
My AGP fantasies didn't start until I was around 20. I have always been very submissive in my fantasies though.

>>7564218

Why?

>>7564266

>Initially I wanted to be a lesbian, I knew I'd get a "sexchange"

I can relate to that since I had something similar when I was young. Getting memed into believing "it will go away" during the period of your life when you had your best chances is the worst.

>>7563667
which happen to be monster hons, that a critical requirement for his def

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Is transition worth it if i wont pass and have the worst voice ever?

im 25 and want to be a woman so badly that i want to die, but im also so deeply ingrained with shame from all this that i start shaking at the idea of people even seeing me in slight makeup. how could i possibly get through full transition

time to go back to therapy i guess

>>7565375

>Getting memed into believing "it will go away" during the period of your life when you had your best chances is the worst.

Ugh fucking tell me about it. I remember visiting my first porn site at 10-11ish years old, it was ten.com or some shit like that, and the home page had a video of an orgy going on. I remember thinking that I'd be one of those chicks one day getting railed and screaming my head off. Now a 22 year old man mountain who has no hope in the world of ever having anything remotely close to that.

>literally just googled lucid dream techniques to see what it'd be like to be a girl in my dreams

What theee fuck is wrong with me?

>>7567468
yeah therapy might help

you should consider too just taking hrt but not fully transitioning if you are too scared. If you have people in your life you can come out to who will be understanding that can help ease the shame too.

>>7565375
If I have GID I might as well learn to enjoy it..

>>7567624
Nothing. I've just tried to do that spending 2 extra hours in bed

>>7567624
don't do it

>have dream where i wake up
>look at myself and i'm a girl
>think "holy shit is this real," and having lucid dreamed before i convinced myself that i wasn't dreaming
>look in my closet and find it full of normal grill clothes
>it all seems so real and detailed
>be at my old uni, feeling really good
>catch sight of myself in a mirror, see a cute azn grill looking back at me
>completely elated
>suddenly wake up in my bed
>none of it was real
>lie there for several hours crying

>>7567845
:(

>>7567845
That hurts to read :( I hope you're ok

>>7567845
But those moments you feel great in your dream are so worth it.

>>7564266
The realest shit.

>had a writing assignment in 4th grade asking "what would you ask youself if you could talk to youself as an adult?"
>still remember briefly mouthing "when did you decide to become a girl" before writing a less-concerning essay
>now late 20s, not any better

Really the "it gets better" movement, in my head, has an asterisk at the end that says "unless you're AGP and not 100% trans, then you're fucked"

>>7567998
i'm really not but thanks for the sentiment

>>7568017
they really aren't
not until they make soma

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>>7568178
It is for me, well maybe my life is too shit and uneventful otherwise, so even seeing myself as a girl or having a goodfeels dream like something from my childhood is a nice change. It feels more real than reality.
What is soma but a drug?

>>7564478
So an AGP late bloomer? Strange, I always thought it starts early puberty.

>>7565375
I was born in 84 so I missed the trans train by alot. Whats strange is, I feel this idea of wanting to transition around 10-11, then a few years later I repress a bit. I'll fantasize about being a lesbian but I have mental block about transitioning. So much so that I identify with crossdressers more than transsexuals. The thought of transitioning never even occurs. Instead I have a strong desire to crossdress. Though I do remember reading about trans stuff, but once I read about SRS risks I was like lol nope. The idea of possibly losing my ability to orgasm made teenage me very scared. Oh and I also picked up pseudo androphilia and sexual attraction to crossdressers/trannies around this time.

I think for a long time I subconsciously wanted to be female, but I would express this through a desire to crossdress and express femininity. Believe it or not I never became a crossdresser, but the desire to do so has never went away. At 30 I remember seeing a beautiful curvy woman working the food court at the mall. I was attracted to her and she triggered something in me. Then I had a horrible feeling, why couldn't I have been born a woman? That was when I started to feel an intense gender dysphoria i'd never felt before. Previously it'd been a lot more vague and subtle.

So I starting reading about trans stuff a lot more and started smoking a lot more weed. I'm feeling better these days, but i've never been the same since i've had my trans awakening.

Oh yes and I know that man mountain feel.

>>7567468
Hard to say, depends on if you live in a hon friendly area. I'm very scared of transphobia so i'm not interested at the moment. I know i'm too far gone without FFS anyways.

>>7567624
Omg is that what the secret is?

>>7567845
Oh wow better keep that genie in the bottle. I never ever have girl dreams normally.

>>7563748
pfft. been in so much pain doe. went back to work this week. agony. hopefully another week and i'll feel better.

>>7568207
There is nothing strange about it. Not everyone is trans to wish being a girl (if only sexually) from early on.

>>7568199
ah yeah, i guess i get that. i used to love going to sleep because my dreams were so nice. but then the meds fucked that up

>>7568207
Your story made me feel really hopeless.
Im not trans, Im just an unhappy old man who fantasied of being a girl too much.

>>7568236
My dreams are really dull most of the time and mixed with garbage from videogames, cause I spend too much time on them and I usually forget it all right after I wake up.

Im not too far from AGP meme 'falling in love with female-self' having just a small taste of what it's like to look like a woman is the best feeling in the world.

>>7564266
>Honey, AGPs are born not made.
False >>7568777

>>7567845
Well, I could always use a good cry, been too long.

>>7568236
I always get vivid dreams

Here's part of what I dreamed of last night, or more like this morning

I was walking around a foreign mall alone while eating from a party sized bag of potato chips. I found myself inside a women's store and was intrigued by all the beautiful accessories for sale. I felt like a kid in a candy shop. I was looking at the jewelry and saw some gorgeous earrings when I realized I didn't belong there, and then I walked around the store nervously, I was suddenly out of flow and tried to play it cool while thinking to myself, "just shopping for my sister"
I turned around to check the stores name as I walked out. "Chanel"

I was done shopping and headed out of the mall, back to where I belong, wherever that may be, but then there was a guy following me. I tried to lose him but then he caught up. I was relieved when he turned out to be nice and just wanted to compliment me before parting.

I kept walking and passed by a restaurant with the most delicious looking pizzas with hot bubbling cheese, but something told me I had already had dinner plans and couldn't indulge. I was still eating the potato chips too.

I walked a few more steps and then I woke up and tried for a few minutes to go back to sleep, but couldn't.

This "shopping for womens stuff" is a recurring dream for me and it's obviously symbolic of things that happen irl. Whenever I'm shopping I have to repress the desire to check out the women's sections and I always feel a yearning when I walk past women's shops. I don't crossdress but I would if it wasn't something to be ashamed about. I tried it for the first time since I was a kid a month ago. Putting my sisters bra on, I immediately got an instinctive erection without "feeling" anything and before even looking at myself. This has happened to me with other things, erections from nowhere which in retrospect were caused by a submissive force. I felt bad when I saw the empty space at my chest (I'm really skinny) and took it off

>>7568219
did you not get painkillers? I here people say stuff like they walked out of the surgery room so I didn't think recovery would be that bad :s

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