/agpg/ - AGP General

>>7404073
so being a trap counts as having agp?

>>7404073
That picture reminds me of my odd relationship with men. I've lusted for hundreds of women but have only ever been attracted to a handful of men. My lust and my attraction somehow felt very very different from one another.

>>7404105
No.

>>7404073
Tfw I don't identify as AGP and I'm "lesbian" but this picture did something for me

>>7404119
why?

>>7404162
It's cute. I don't think you need to be anything in particular to find it cute.

>>7404162
Doesn't matter what you identify as you are agp if you're a mtf attracted to women.

>>7404165
The same reason that anything else that isn't agp doesn't count as having agp

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>>7404073
>tfw you became the guy instead of the girl
Kill me.

>>7404277
Not that person but only if you stick strictly to the typology, in which case the term AGP is utterly useless since the typology is a false dichotomy.

>>7404308
Considering how many trans people back up this typology by admitting they're agp like how Blanchard describes proves it's not a false dichotomy. If anything it's just a very sensitive and controversial subject which makes it impossible to legitify to a lot of people. The evidence Blanchard did manage to gather has never really been debunk either and the majority of people who did try were just ass blasted bias transbian hons who didn't even hold a degree in this area of psychology.

I could go on about this all night but the fact of the matter is agp is real, blanchard was right, trannies got mad and used the power of the LGBT community to cover it up in fear of it making their growing movement seem invalid, and now we have a thread titled "agp general" which backs up his work even more. If you don't believe in Blanchard (the father of agp) then you also don't believe you are agp and shouldn't post here.

>>7404362
>implying that Blanchard's AGP concept equals 4chan's meme AGP

>>7404073
>Chat Noir with a girl
REEEE DELETE YOUR IMAGE

>>7404073
>when your sister's clothes are a perfect fit
>when they aren't any more

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>>7404306

I'll go to die with you.

>>7404306
>>7404585
>not waiting till the future when science will turn you into girls
jeez

>>7404114

So is your attraction to men entirely chaste or is there still a sexual element to it?

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>>7404626

Even then I'll never get my childhood and adolescence back and live them as a girl like in the OP pic.

Are there actually mental changes with hormones? I'm just starting but I want to know when it actually starts affecting your brain.
Everyone seems to say it "changes you" but I'm like a month or so in now and haven't noticed anything.

>>7404783
you might. think about it.

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>>7404531

I'll do no such thing.

>>7404783
I feel like my adolescence never ended maybe cause I never became a man

>>7404796
Maybe you are not a realgirl then

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>>7404797

You're talking about somehow making my body a young girl's and then growing up that way? People would think I'm a pedo for dating boys from school if they found out. And it's still not quite the same as going through everything for the first time. Though that's not necessarily a bad thing in its entirety.

>>7404808
>hetshit
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>7404362

i like dressing in girl clothes and female pov porn but i don't want to be a girl there ya go disproved the agp/trans theory

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>>7404985

Don't worry, the AGP hasn't hit you yet. This is just the premonition.

How do I get off the wild ride?

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>>7404222
Yeah, you're probably right, I just like it because it's cute anime shi-

>>7404808
>the girl has my proportions in this pic
>if a tall beautiful blond boy ever kissed my hand like that, I'd probably melt

Shit

>>7404913
Well in that regard I should be experiencing "reverse dysphoria" then according to what people have been saying.
I was more thinking mental changes on kind of a grander scale though.
I think my depression has been getting a lot better, but ultimately I still look like shit and my body hair is still nearly impossible to control so I'll always feel like shit about that no matter how much hormones I take.

But I always hear tales of people freaking out and stopping hormones because of weird mental changes. I just don't know what exactly those changes would be though.

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>2 years hormones
>5'5"
>115lb

Ask a passing AGP anything.

>>7405148
fucking womanlet

>>7404306
Anime? Love me sone meganekko

>>7404977
Lel thanks I needed to laugh

>>7404796
I'm ~4 months and I don't think I've noticed any mental changes

I think its hon memes

>>7404796
>7405599
1-4 months is hardly any time at all relative to your transition. I'm not sure if I believe the memes either, like of course your mental state is gonna change drastically when there is a huge change in your life for the better, and you'll change gradually over time because of the nature of your experiences as a girl, but yeah...

Just saying, 1-4 months is a really short time to judge anything.

>>7405623
Well they give antiandrogens+estrogen to prostate cancer patients all the time and they don't seem too crazy over it. I'm sure they're not happy with the manboobs or the fact that they have cancer though.

I've just heard all these ominous tales about how one day it will change your mental state and if you're not "trutrans" or whatever you'll suddenly be in total despair and your life will be ruined. Seems odd to hear considering hormonal therapies outside the transgender realm are used all the time and nobody has total mental collapses over a bit of gyno.

>>7405623
>>7405599
>>7404796
from 14 months:
>susceptibility to crying is not a meme, it's harder to control and you can burst into treats quickly or inevitably
>temper/anger lessened
>anxiety heightened
that's about it really. none of that "omgggg i think like a girl now and all my depression is cured now that my brain got the RIGHT homrones!"
the third one might just be coincidental

>>7405785
>susceptibility to crying is not a meme

I've been on hormones for over six years and I literally can't cry even when I want to. :/

>>7405804
ah well i guess they affect everyone differently. i hadn't cried since i was a child

>>7404362
>Considering how many trans people back up this typology by admitting they're agp like how Blanchard describes proves it's not a false dichotomy.
It shows that there are people who fit into one of the categories of the dichotomy, or think they do. It does not show that all people fit into the dichotomy. Not all people fit into the dichotomy, thus making it false.

>The evidence Blanchard did manage to gather has never really been debunk either
We had this argument a thousand of times already. You can't prove what he tried to prove using the data he had. You can't show one thing caused another if you don't have hard evidence for your proposed mechanism. If A and B correlate and B shows up after A but you cannot show the mechanism by which A causes B then you haven't outruled, say, A and B having a common root cause rather than one causing the other. This is the best case scenario where A and B cannot conceal themselves in lesser forms, giving the illusion that they are not present until they become too acute to ignore.

Relying on self-reports then dismissing self-reports that don't fit your theory isn't helping your case either.

>and the majority of people who did try were just ass blasted bias transbian hons who didn't even hold a degree in this area of psychology.
First thing first, science does not care who it is that practices it. That you saw fit to call them transbian hons shows your hand. Secondly were this the case the medical community at large would still advocate for the typology, but they don't, having relegated it to an unfalsifiable relic. You're going to argue that this is due to public pressure and I'm going to say that you blindly assume that to be the case because it fits your narrative. Third, anyone with some minimal training in the natural sciences can spot faulty methods.

1/2

>>7405785
Well I already cry a lot when I'm hungover so I'm already kind of a pussy anyway lol
Plus I'm already basically gay so the supposed "sexuality switch" probably won't occur that all the hons seem to clamour over saying how much dick they suddenly crave...

Maybe I expect too much from hormones. My life is probably still going to be shit even if I'm wearing a dress, I'll just miserable while wearing a dress lol

>>7404362
>>7405958
>I could go on about this all night but the fact of the matter is agp is real, blanchard was right, trannies got mad and used the power of the LGBT community to cover it up in fear of it making their growing movement seem invalid
Yes, I'm sure the entire mental health community was simultaneously cowed by a marginalized group wielding little to no social power and that's the reason they abandoned Blanchard rather than any of the flaws in his reasoning.

>and now we have a thread titled "agp general" which backs up his work even more
Fucking lol. You have to be trolling, right? "[7] /agpg/, 4chan"

>If you don't believe in Blanchard (the father of agp) then you also don't believe you are agp and shouldn't post here.
The word as it is commonly used by the people here has very little to do with Blanchard's definition of the term. I've been here for months. Go away and then fuck yourself, preferably in that order.

2/2

I tend to have a ghost feeling of female genitalia between my legs more than I feel a man's. I hardly liked to realize I'm a man until I speak even then I struggle to keep my voice deep and I drown out my thoughts of having femininity by doing something stupid to forget.

I haven't cried in ten years; Not medicating, have anxiety, balding/graying hair, I sometimes fade out mentally, and trouble keeping the weight off for fear of losing the only breasts I'll ever have forever. (Only 22 years old.)

It doesn't help when people sometimes see me a bit as a woman even in the smallest aspect and ask me, it plagues my thoughts later when I least expect it.

I don't want to cry for the fear of letting someone down when I could've been the stronger person and picked them up. I even try purge my emotions to just have this one thought to stay a man without feeling guilty of murder.

Is it AGP or am I just a looney who needs to be put down?

>>7405958
>>7405985
Thank you for these posts!
Should be screencapt and reposted just in case another Blanchard fanboy shows up.

>>7405994
Well that doesn't sound a lot like AGP but I don't know if what you say is enough to quantify whether you're trans.
Usually when people talk of agp it's specifically sexual in nature. It's like you fantasize about being in the position of women in stereotypical feminine roles and such.

As a slight aside I've seen people discuss all sorts of stuff in these generals though, and much of it isn't what I'd consider agp. I think these generals have blurred the lines a lot between what is and isn't agp. Like Blanchard always said you can't be agp if you're gay, but a lot of gay guys in these generals have said they self-insert as the female in porn and such.

>>7404796
The things I've heard that actually make sense are
>Lessened aggression
>Increased emotionality
>Improved mood

>>7406029
Where are all these people coming from that are so aggressive? Like that's not even a common trait among men. Or at least not one you'd see on a daily basis unless your a wife beater or something.

>>7406037
Testosterone increases aggresssive tendencies. In day to day life I guess decreased testosterone means you're less likely to get angry or feel the need to shout or argue.

>>7406044
Pretty sure that's largely due to socialization, not hormones. If hormones were the cause then buddhists monks would be a pretty rambunctious crew.

>>7404749
It's not chaste, no. It is hard to put into words. It's like I can quite easily become attracted to a woman just because she is beautiful but a man being handsome is not enough to do it for me. Behavior and demeanor influence my attraction to both sexes but it is like I practically can't be attracted to a man without these aspects in play. Still images of naked men don't really work.

>>7406054
I think you're right in that that socialization plays a more significant role in how one behaves but we do know that hormones influence behavior in this fashion. People can just overcome these influences. Think minute pushes, not all-consuming compulsions. Testosterone increasing aggressiveness is actually one of the few things we know more or less factually when it comes to this field.

>>7406078
I suppose that's true. I have heard behavioural changes occur for bodybuilders taking steroids. It's often undesired changes as well, roid rage and such.
I'd think for most people it would be relatively unnoticeable though unless you had really high testosterone levels beforehand.

>>7404808
>>7404073
duuuuuuuuudes what anime/manga is this?

>>7406244
it's a french children's tv show

I get off to the thought of being girly like listening to taylor swift songs unironically or painting my nails. Is that AGP?

>>7406279
Yes. Welcome to the fold.

>>7404796
I haven't personally noticed any, but a lot of my friends who don't know I'm on 'mones have started saying I act like a woman, so idk.

>>7406313
>>7404796
Correction: there actually is one change I have noticed, namely lowered libido.

>>7406023
Out of the porn, I do sometimes think how I would do things as a woman and had thoughts about guys but I feel guilty about thinking of being with them. I would like to like guys but even then if I were a trans women, taking them away wouldn't feel right if they didn't know and were sure. I'd just be happy being a single trans women being able to freely laugh, love, and cry until I'm wrinkly.

Thank you anon.

>>7404796
Transition definitely changes you a lot in many subtle ways. I can't tell what is due to hormones and what is just me changing based on my social treatment and life experiences though.

I'm more emotional than pre-HRT for sure, but I was already pretty emotional pre-HRT.

>>7405148
>Ask a passing AGP anything.
how good does it feel?

got a boyfriend yet?

agp still going strong?

>>7405696
>+estrogen
they dont give estrogen to men

>>7405804
you are totally not a realgirl! I can cry a bit when Im deeply touched or a lot when feel dysphoric and unhappy and Im not on HRT (kinda)

but seriously you could be simply less emotional by nature, phlegmatic women exist too

technically you'd have more serotonin and less dopamine on HRT (could be way less and way more prolactin depending on meds you take ie CPA) which inevitably affects your emotional state

>>7405994
>anxiety
>graying hair @22
Whatever it is, sounds like you really need some care and should see a therapist.

This internal struggle, constantly suppressing your emotions and trying to conform to standards of male behaviour when deep inside you feel and want to be the opposite is hell. It made me hate myself and increased my anxiety too, and sounds like you have it even worse with dysphoria.

>>7405994
>Is it AGP or am I just a looney who needs to be put down?
>>Is it AGP
>or
>am I just a looney who needs to be put down?
>or

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>>7405148
do you like boys, girls or boths?

if you like mne.... is your attraction men a result of your autogynephilia? or is genuine?

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>>7404931

>hetshit
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

No, it's pure love. Say it with me.

Puuure looooove.

>>7406054
>socialization
but take the same person with same socialization (far from trying to pass) and there can be notable changes with lowered aggressive and competitive tendencies

>>7404073
>>7404808
>>7406865
YOU ARE MAKING ME FEEL FEELS STOP AT ONCE

>tfw in the last few months I'll see something vaguely sad and think about it and feel like I'm going to sob for a second and maybe tear up but it literally goes away in less than 3 seconds

is this mental illness

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>>7406946

Oh?

Ohhhhhhhhhh...

Then you don't want to see this...

>>7406983
>tfw did this as a boy
>tfw I desperately want this as girl now

>>7406983
ungh...

>>7406844
>is your attraction men a result of your autogynephilia? or is genuine?
reeeeee!
liking men out of agp is genuine!
yes it's different to other people's sexuality but that doesn't make it fake or not real or anything!

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>>7404073
>Discord
working non-expiring link
https://discord.gg/vtuYjUa

>>7406844
Not that person but does it make sense if I say I have some sexual fantasies where the men are AGP props and at other times I'm genuinely attracted to men?

you're all fuckin faggots lmao

>>7407043
Another person, but for me it does cause I'm somewhat bi besides AGP.

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>>7407046

Tell us something we don't know.

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>can't stop thinking about killing myself
>know I'm too pussy to do it

>>7406983
>tfw will never have womanly hips
>just skinny boy ones
;_;

>>7407215
Instead of comitting actual suicide how about settling on social suicide via becoming a grill?

>>7406875
placebo effect. you think hormones might make you more feminine, you're open to acting more feminine, then you do, because you're letting yourself. must be the skittles!

>>7407215
>>7407232
This. It's what I did. Not the worst experience even though I only sort of pass

>>7406983
>>7407004
>subby af
>still kinda want to experience comforting a guy

>>7407237
Maybe for some people it's just a placebo but we know enough about the effects of testosterone to know that it tends to increase aggression. This is something studied even outside of trannies, the science is pretty sound.

>>7407237
Testosterone is not a placebo..

>>7407240
>Not the worst experience
go on.

>>7407258
>wanted to kms
>actually acquired a tank of nitrogen and a mask so I could make an exit bag
>before I did it I decided to take the pills and see what happens
>3 years later I don't want to kms anymore
I personally don't feel that I pass but I look a lot girlier and people usually think I'm a girl so that's nice at least

>>7407284
I'm glad you're okay. Are you happy nowadays, or at least content?

>>7407284
what is it that stopped you wanting to kys? just feeling girlier?

>>7407304
only content. But I'm capable of being happy, sometimes, when good things happen.

>>7407305
Yeah. Just feeling girlier and most importantly looking girlier.

>>7407319
Well I hope you count internet randos hoping you're happy as a good thing.

>>7407319
being girly is pretty important to you then i guess. what are the biggest things that make you feel girlier since starting hormones?

why content but not happy?

>>7407322
I do. I hope you're happy too anon, or at least working towards it

>>7407323
Yeah. I suppose it is. Biggest thing to make me feel girlier is my outward appearance. And people gendering me female

I don't know why I'm only content, that's just how it is for me.

>>7407330
well, here's another anon who's glad you are contented and hopes you feel happy more often too.

>>7405994
This sounds trans as hell, seek a therapist and those sweet mones

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Just wondering, what is agpg's reaction to this?

>>7407409
no sound and juddery camera make it less hot than it should be.

but still nice.
>happily exposing tits
>sitting against him like that
>being pulled back
>his arm around neck
so comfy and loving.

>>7407356
Thanks :) I wish you all the best too

>>7407284
It could probably help me as well, if even such simple thing as growing hair made me feel a bit better, the discordance with how you see yourself and how you actually look can be almost painful, for lack of better word

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>>7400396
>But I really want to be a qt little femboy or a trans girl and cuddle up with other qt femboys and trans girls. I just can't tell anyone because nobody is going to take me seriously and they're going to think its solely because of a fetish


You should tell, especially to a therapist and dont be ashamed of it, it's pretty common and normal to have AGP and be attracted to other 'traps' or gynandromorphs (GAM) as they are called in this comparative study.
I regularly observe it in reality too.

>>7406699
Yeah estrogen is used in severe cases of prostate and testicular cancer
Testosterone is also used for severe cases ovarian cancer.

>>7407582
You have to decide for yourself if it's worth it anon. It's not all uphill from taking them - you may/will lose friends or family and you will almost certainly replace some sad things in your life with new things to be sad about. But the overall effect at least for me has been slightly positive, so I am content with my decision. I've had urges to quit and go back to how I used to be, and I've had times where I can't believe I ever felt like I could go back.

Basically it isn't easy. I don't want to suggest anything to you or push you either way like mtfg would, it's a personal decision

>>7408193
Thank you for being real about it.
Im almost at the point where I have not much to lose, you could say I've committed social suicide already.

Suppose we get to the point where we can move a brain to a robotic body. Would you accept, knowing that given our current level of technology you'd barely feel your body and would probably look like one of those weird hyper realistic dolls?

>>7408558
>Suppose we get to the point where
>knowing that given our current level of technology you'd barely feel your body
anon...

>>7407659
>>I just can't tell anyone because nobody is going to take me seriously and they're going to think its solely because of a fetish
>You should tell, especially to a therapist
Why this therapist worship? She'll either have transition pushed on her or get the gatekeeper treatment because it's "just a fetish". Femboys are not in the DSM and "professionals" will shoehorn you into something that is.

>>7408338
Yeah, np. I don't like to push stuff on people because I know my experiences are different from everybody else's.

I don't know if you were that anon I was talking to two nights ago but I was in a similar boat, basically had committed social suicide, ended up with a near death experience and that's what got it moving for me. I wouldn't have started transition if not for that experience

>>7408588
I could see us getting full body prosthetics way before we figure out how to make you feel everything as if you had a normal body. We have modern arm and leg prosthetics that work like that. Hell, feeling anything at all is a recent development.

>>7408338
I'd like to say that from the side it sounds like it was very much worth it for the other Anon, so you should consider it.

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>>7404073
Is that Cat Noir and Ladybug?

>>7404808
Cat Noir looks just like /lgbt/.

>>7407232
i won't be a girl though i'll just be a gross man thing thats on hormones

>>7408558
Considering my bone structure is too bad to pass, I'm dysphoric, and being a robot (and being a doll, for that matter) is also my fetish, I'd be considerably happier that way if it were done well enough.

Assuming the current level of robotics technology but with perfect consciousness transfer, I wouldn't do it, since I'd have no sensation and poor articulation (I'd think looking not-quite-human was hot, but would probably find it uncomfortable in day-to-day life, more so the less socially accepted robots like me were). If I had physical capabilities similar to that of a human then I'd probably do it. The sensation isn't as big of a deal as actually being able to move and generally do things normally.

>>7408960
Arguably less gross than being a normal man, especially taking into account how that's going to get worse with time (irreversibly).

>>7408960
Getting closer to how you want to be counts for a lot when it comes to feeling better about yourself.

>>7409041
it just leads up to my nightmare scenario though

>somehow get courage to order hormones
>parents somehow find out
>idk how they'd even react, probably poorly just because "taking drugs you bought off the internet you don't even know what they are" and want me to go to a therapist
>there wouldn't even be any way to explain/lie my way out of it like when i got caught cutting myself because i was edgy

>>7409099
>Young enough to worry about your parent's reaction
Go get therapy this fucking instant FUCK

>>7409099
If you live with your parents then there is a risk, but you can order to a PO box or some equivalent where you don't have to get the HRT delivered to your house so they won't intercept it, and then assuming they don't search your room you'll be fine (and if they do then you can probably find some way to hide them well).

The physical changes they aren't going to notice for a while regardless. When/if they do, making the connection between you looking different and specifically being more feminine, then to specifically taking HRT, is going to take a long time if it happens at all (especially if you're as unpassable as you're implying).

If you're in a position where you're suicidal over being male/masculine, then the risk becomes very acceptable.

What makes you think your parents will react badly? Do you fear they might harm you or disown you or something like that, or just that they'll be unaccepting?

>>7409124
I'm 19, not super young.


>>7409136
>What makes you think your parents will react badly? Do you fear they might harm you or disown you or something like that, or just that they'll be unaccepting?

I really just don't know. I know it's dumb to use as an example buy my mother was good friends with a gay guy until he killed himself (bunch of heroin at once) but I've also heard her say stuff like "when kids are molested they grow up to be whores, drug addicts, and guys that dress up like girls".

>>7408648
Not them, but I have read your story. The irony is I also was in swimming sportschool as a kid... them shoulders.

Im in bad place, I've wasted a decade and my desire to be female is mostly from AGP sexual fantasies and failing at life, I dont believe I am trans. I cant and wont transition but at least I can look better for myself and hopefully feel better too.

>>7409088
Thats my only hope.

Wife-anon here, i posted a few weeks ago. I'd say I'm less agp and more femboy after all, but this is where it all started so I figured I'd let you guys know.

I told my wife everything. I'm going to a fertilization clinic and then starting HRT after. She was so supportive of everything, including the agp stuff. She gave me skincare and makeup advice right away, and then we went shopping for makeup. We're going to do our nails when she gets home and I'm shopping for wigs right now.

I know it sounds bloggy, but my point is that there's always somebody out there that will love you. Ever since I started getting agp feelings in middle school, I thought that I would have to hide it from my partner forever. It feels good to know that's not the case.

>>7409159
19 is young! There's a good chance you still have time.

>I really just don't know. I know it's dumb to use as an example buy my mother was good friends with a gay guy until he killed himself (bunch of heroin at once) but I've also heard her say stuff like "when kids are molested they grow up to be whores, drug addicts, and guys that dress up like girls".
Ugh. Do you think you could suss out their feelings about transsexuals? Say, debate politics, starting with a few other subjects, and insert this one in the middle?

>>7409172
Fair enough on won't, but are you familiar with Sartre's concept of Bad Faith?

>>7409188
I almost cried reading this. I'm very happy to hear that somehow it all worked out. A selfish request, but one I must make: could you please tell us how that conversation went?

>>7409159
So you're moderately young, with parents that may or may not be unaccepting, and suicidally depressed over not being female, yet you're not transitioning? Though it's in many ways bad, people have done well similar situations to yours, and likewise people have repressed through them until it got bad enough they just gave up and transitioning or committed suicide anyway.

I know how it feels to doubt yourself and be scared like this; most of the people here do. But if you're looking for something that will make it clearer you're probably not going to find it; the feelings are heavily irrational, and you can't get a whole lot more information without committing further to transitioning (to some degree). I think you have to just acknowledge that your situation is bad, and that it very strongly seems that it isn't going to get better on its own (and that the most obvious and likely to succeed option is transitioning). Your situation seems like it's workable, and regardless, it's certainly worth doing something, because the chances of succeeding there are clearly higher than they are for doing nothing.

>>7409172
>them shoulders.
They still kill me ;-; my favorite was butterfly too soi worked my upper back and shoulders like crazy. I want to get a gym membership and start squatting to balance out the hips a bit, since losing weight didn't get rid of all the muscle

I don't believe I'm trans either but I'm transitioning anyway. My agp just became too big and I couldn't keep it under control.

Self improvement helps, get yourself into a better place and maybe it'll be more manageable. I don't know.

>>7409192
>Do you think you could suss out their feelings about transsexuals?

Probably not. I don't really talk to them that much even though I live with them. And if I do talk it's just about college or it's smalltalk. I don't talk about politics or anything like that with them.

>>7409210
I don't know why I feel so bad about it. I remember from a young age I would get made fun of for doing something girly or not allowed to watch a cartoon or show because one of the male characters was doing something girly (I don't even remember it but I wasn't allowed to watch teletubbies after one of the boy teletubbies had a purse). I've always been very scared of acting feminine/girly and constantly worry over how I act and what I do to make sure it's not girly.

I want to act that way sometimes but I'm just scared to.

>>7409206
Well she didn't know I was bi, but I casually let it slip while she was doing her makeup. I thought she had always suspected (we had done pegging, I had made some jokes about it) but she was excited. We went on a walk and I talked more about my sexuality and femininity. At some point I mentioned that I'm pretty sure I have low t.

When we got back, she asked if I felt gender dysphoria. I said no, but hesitated so she asked me to explain if I didn't mind. I told her the truth about everything. I'd ideally like to be appear truly androgynous when going out, and wear dresses, heavy makeup, wigs etc. around the house with her. I was starting to have trouble breathing, and she put her hand on my chest, smiled, and told me to keep going. Overall she's very accepting. Our gender roles are slightly shifted already in some aspects (she makes more money than I do, she could probably out-lift me) but I've already seen her taking steps to make me feel more comfortable. Sometimes I want to be the bottom, sometimes I want to be the top, and she's down for all of it.

Sorry, I rambled a bit. I'm excited if you can't tell.

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>>7409188
She probably suspected and was glad you came out. Good luck to you both.

>>7409192
>under pressure from social forces adopt false values and disown their innate freedom

All me. Trying to escape it partly the reason why I've become a nolifer, but lets not go there.

>>7409258
>My agp just became too big and I couldn't keep it under control.
Yeah, similar case. Also it feels like the only thing that could make me happy, but logically I know it's stupid. I rejected a woman that loved me as man, since I only see myself as female in relationship and sex and my male persona been more or less fake. It's all confusing.

Again, thanks for sharing your story.

>>7409259

>I don't even remember it but I wasn't allowed to watch teletubbies after one of the boy teletubbies had a purse

Oh, THAT'S what my dad was talking about! My father has been telling me this shit about the teletubbies pushing gender confusion propaganda and watching it when I was young made me want to be a woman for a while now. I just thought he was crazy and the teletubbies were genderless. Now I see what he means, but it doesn't mean he's not wrong.

>>7409576
It honestly doesn't even make sense to me, I hardly even remember that show let alone the whole purse thing.

>>7409259
Do you have any way to access therapy?

>>7409278
Your wife is beyond amazing. Thanks for sharing.

>I was starting to have trouble breathing, and she put her hand on my chest, smiled, and told me to keep going.
This is so sweet. You're incredibly lucky.

>>7409573
My point on bad faith was just that you always have a choice. Not an easy one, but a choice still. If you've made this one, so be it, but know that you made it because you willed to.

>>7409576
It's been a common conception that one of them was gay. That show was some drug-induced silliness anyway.

>>7409258
>I don't believe I'm trans either but I'm transitioning anyway
You're literally trans now, even if you weren't before.

>>7409698
That depends on your definition. I'd say transitioning means you're "someone who's transitioning", and that "being trans" is identifying as a gender other than your birth sex or experiencing gender dysphoria.

>>7409784
Alright, sorry for being a jerk. It is just weird to see so many transitioners who clearly want to be women not count themselves as transsexual. Is there anything more to being trans than this deep wish, agony over not having fulfilled it, and the willingness to pursue it?

>>7409835
>Is there anything more to being trans than this deep wish, agony over not having fulfilled it, and the willingness to pursue it?
Probably not. Though there is also the almost-inevitable shame and fear that accompanies that, leading to many refusing to admit it (while also being in a situation bad enough to transition anyway).

The way I see it, so long as they're transitioning they're helping themselves no matter how they see it. A dysphoric "femboy" and a dysphoric "trutranny" who are both transitioning and happier for it are essentially the same thing but for their labelling (arguably not even perception) of themselves. It's complicated and kind of arbitrary to define; like, when someone is dysphoric, is on HRT and presents in a feminine way, is treated as a woman by everybody and prefers it that way, but insists they're a guy and think of themselves that way, who is anyone to say their identity or at least their statement is incorrect?

>>7409896
Wisest post I've read in a while. I'm just worried people are deprecating themselves in their own minds, even if those around them accept them.

>>7404073
I don't frequent /lgbt/, only came here because of the cute af image OP attached.

I've identified as bisexual for most of my life, mainly because I don't care to get into semantic arguments about sexuality/gender.
I appreciate that this term exists, though, since I feel it encapsulates my attraction to men (makes me feel beautiful, feminine, etc)

Good looks all y'all!

Hey whats the deal with AGP induced pseudo bisexuality? I exhibit this and I self insert as the woman or "woman" and feel attracted to the man and his dick. Then I cum and i'm totally straight again.

Would I experience the same effect bottoming in the real world?

>>7411974
You aren't really bisexual anon, you just think you are because the thought of being with a man is very feminine and that's the turn on. You're most likely focusing on your body as a woman more then his male body.

>>7411974
agp's a helluva drug. i wouldn't be surprised if you feel the same effect.
i'm kinda like you in that regard, definitely gyne-romantic though

>>7412046
>pseudo bisexuality

>>7407409

Ew, dude is a grease ball

>>7409573
>I rejected a woman that loved me as man
I dated one girl and after that I realized that dating women is literally hopeless for me. I just can't be the man in a relationship. So the next time that a girl had feelings for me I turned her down by telling her I was just gay. I wish I could apologize to the one I dated for how bad that relationship must have been from her perspective.

>Again, thanks for sharing your story.
Thanks for listening to it. I've had a lot to get off my chest lately and nobody that I feel comfortable sharing with, so having this convenient place to blog is nice :)

>>7409698
>You're literally trans now, even if you weren't before.
I agree with >>7409784, I feel like that's kinda semantics. But you're probably right, I just really don't like to associate with other trans people.

>>7409907
>I'm just worried people are deprecating themselves in their own minds
I am very guilty of this.

>>7413135
>I just really don't like to associate with other trans people.
I love you too.

Watching sword art online season 2 where kirito is a girl got me to shove stuff in my ass for the first time in years

Felt alright but I ain't got the right tools to hit my prostate

>>7411974
I experience the same but if there was a 10.0/10 guy I'd bottom IRL

>>7404073

I get aroused imagining how would I be as a woman, but also sometimes when I see a woman I like I have the fantasy of being HER.

>>7413184
I'm agp anon. Most trans girls don't want me to identify with them either

>>7413228
anon who do you think browses this thread

>>7413135
>I dated one girl and after that I realized that dating women is literally hopeless for me. I just can't be the man in a relationship. So the next time that a girl had feelings for me I turned her down by telling her I was just gay. I wish I could apologize to the one I dated for how bad that relationship must have been from her perspective.
Just say you aren't going to be the man in the relationship. Then if she assumes you will be anyway, that's her fault.

What went wrong in the relationship you did have with a girl?

>>7413276
I think I must have misunderstood your posts because I'm getting confused

>>7413296
Yeah. Too late for that now. I look too femmy, girls aren't attracted to me anymore. Thank god

>What went wrong in the relationship you did have with a girl?
I think deep down I just wanted to be her friend, not her boyfriend. I didn't want to be romantic, we never kissed because I thought it was gross.

Our last date was to go see a musical. She just cut contract and never spoke to me again after that.

>>7413334
>I didn't want to be romantic, we never kissed because I thought it was gross.
I thought AGPs were almost never into guys only?

That's not can't be a man in a relationship, that's not into girls.

>>7413346
I don't know, that is something weird for me. I'm attracted to girls in the sense that I like to look, sometimes I used to stare (have gotten better at that). But when it comes down to being in the situation I can't do it. Sexual fantasies back then didn't ever involve sex either, just being in a girls body masturbating. Now I do fantasize about being with a guy but I think that's agp induced. I haven't gotten to test out how I'd be in reality if I got intimate with one.

So yeah, long winded way of saying that I probably wasn't actually into girls.

>>7413346
>lust for women but are weirded out by vaginas
>rarely ever lust for men but are fine with dicks
free me

Ooga booga, where all the red pilled, guy liking agp cuties at?

>>7413420
/mtfg/

>>7413420
>red pilled
what does that mean in this context

>>7409278
I'm jealous. That is a kind of love I will never experience.

>>7413503
Nazi.

>>7413516
I want to be a qt /fa/ nazi girl like the ones they post on /pol/

>>7413518
What is stopping you anon?

>>7413541
Not qt enough
And I don't own a mock ss uniform

>>7413518
Kill all nazis desu senpai antifa now workers of the world unite

>>7413420
>guy liking agp
*raises hand*

>cuties
*lowers hand*

>>7413516
>>7413614
statist infighting

>>7413623
No lie, I am a statist. Most legbutts are liberal but I lean toward the authoritarian left, earning me few friends in these circles.

>>7413614
>>7413623
>>7413661
I have no strong convictions about politics at all, I just find Nazi girls cute

>>7409259
> I remember from a young age I would get made fun of for doing something girly or not allowed to watch a cartoon or show because one of the male characters was doing something girly (I don't even remember it but I wasn't allowed to watch teletubbies after one of the boy teletubbies had a purse). I've always been very scared of acting feminine/girly and constantly worry over how I act and what I do to make sure it's not girly.

Holy shit, same.

>>7413623
I mean are you hon status anon?

>>7409259
>I've always been very scared of acting feminine/girly and constantly worry over how I act and what I do to make sure it's not girly.
This is super common.

It's funny too because growing up I associated all sorts of stupid shit with femininity and avoided it. Like my sister liked hamburgers and didn't like hot dogs, so I forced myself to hate hamburgers and only eat hot dogs at cookouts for years. Because in my mind if my sister did or liked something then it was girly and I wasn't allowed to enjoy it.

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can an ftm be agp?

>>7414112
I guess but I don't know how that would even work. And it must not be that strong because you could just not transition and then live our your fetish

>>7414232
They could be non-dysphoric, just like AGP cis guys can be. They'd rather fix their dysphoria over being female than live out their fetish.

>>7414112
autoandrophilia

AAP

or unless you are Female to Male but like to dress fem?

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>>7407043
Probably just means you're bisexual, fampai. It's ok, I am too.

I know tBlanchard believes trans bisexuality is caused by meta-attraction and Bailey doesn't even believe male bisexuality is real, but we don't have to accept everything they say as gospel. Obviously bi dudes exist, so it stands to reason some will also develop AGP because of their attraction to women as well.

Tl;dr meta-attraction is a real thing, but don't buy into the belief that you can't genuinely be attracted to men as wel. Guys can be hot, roll with it.

>>7407659
>You should tell, especially to a therapist and dont be ashamed of it

I guess I'll consider giving it a try. Doing nothing isn't exactly helping either.

Also this chart seems a bit off, but I guess the average AGP is quite a more gynephilic than I am. In my case I've had bisexual feelings for a long time and I definitely feel more attracted to biological males than biological females. Basicallyfeminine males > masculine men and transguys > my idealized female self >>>> women who aren't my idealized female self.

>>7408607
>Femboys are not in the DSM and "professionals" will shoehorn you into something that is.

That's partially my worry here. Its one thing to not like being a guy and even have dysphoria, and another to completely upend one's entire life to try to live as a gender different from the one you were born. I don't know that I'm really ready to make that leap. But the femboy on HRT route might work for me.

It's difficult to describe to people from the outside in a way that makes sense. Basically, I have fantasies that involve being biologically female yes, but for me being a feminine *male*, speifically, is a much stronger fantasy. And I'm using feminine male as a catchall term here for stuff like twinks, femboys, transgirls and crossdressers. I basically see them all as fundamentally part of the same category. I don't see myself as any particular gender, but I know I what I want to look like physically.

>>7414577
that pic looks like they are all extemely gay from number 1 on. 0 looks curious

>>7414684
>but for me being a feminine *male*, speifically, is a much stronger fantasy. And I'm using feminine male as a catchall term here for stuff like twinks, femboys, transgirls and crossdressers
I'd say transgirls are the outliers in that list, since they identify as women and want to be women; the others are innately masculine on some level, while transgirls are for all intents and purposes female but for the elements of their bodies they can't change. Maybe "trap" is a better term for what you're imagining when you're talking about yourself being a transgirl in your fantasies? To me that implies a lot of the same femininity but not necessarily a feminine identity; maybe an ambiguous or apathetic perception of their gender: "I don't really care whether I'm technically a boy or a girl, this is just what I am", or something like that.

>>7414748
Yeah, I'm trying to put down exactly what the "gay look" is; whatever it is they seem to have captured it really well. It makes me wonder how much of it is purely down to stereotypes and how much of it is an actual common trait or set of traits amongst gay men.

Am i agp if i get hard wearing panties? I just want to wear girl clothes and not have to feel bad about apparently being turned on by it. I don't want srs just because it sounds scary and dangerous, but i wouldnt rule out a "real" vagina procedure.

I have been really aggressive in the last few months of getting on HRT so i can finally experience what i think my body needs. But all the talk about AGP/fetishizing transition id giving md all sorts of retarded doubt.

I miss the German girl.

>>7414920
You can be AGP and trans. At least for a while, since HRT+social transitioning usually strangles AGP over time. Believe in yourself.

>>7414920
>Am i agp if i get hard wearing panties?
Not necessarily. Could just be a crossdressing fetish or something, but it's common for AGPs too. Any of the fetishes that would result in that arousal can coexist with transsexualism.

Do you have gender dysphoria? Would you mind elaborating on what you mean by "i can finally experience what i think my body needs"?

>>7414831
>I'd say transgirls are the outliers in that list, since they identify as women and want to be women; the others are innately masculine on some level, while transgirls are for all intents and purposes female
Maybe its not nice of me to say it, but I can't really agree with that personally. I respect the fact that they would like to be treated as female socially, but transgirls will always be male in my mind. I try to respect the pronouns of the ones I've met , but on a base level I will always seem them as very effeminate males and different from real women, which is part of the appeal for me.

Plus, it doesn't necessarily hold true that femboys and crossdressers are more masculine. The world is full of unpassing hons that aren't fooling anyone, but there are also plenty of cute crossdressers and even drag queens that can pass with a little effort. The older they get of course, the less true that is, while passing transgirls will remain passing for longer.

>It makes me wonder how much of it is purely down to stereotypes and how much of it is an actual common trait or set of traits
A little bit of A and B. Gay men are probably more likely to express female or gay coded dialect and body language. Its partly a signaling thing, saying to other gay people "Yes, I am gay.". I think its also likely that it forms based on the perception that people who are attracted to men are supposed to act a certain way to attract men. But obviously, not all gay men send off gay vibes. Many of them are quite masculine, so I imagine its something picked up by men with more feminine qualities naturally. The same way butch lesbians tend to come off rather masculine in personality.

>>7414949
My friend told me that too, she said that when she started HRT she got less erections but just the tightness of the clothes kind of forced them sometimes.

Am i right about my understanding of AGP? Is it correct to say that for some people (cis men and mtf) with AGP, it's kind of an example of "exotic is erotic", more to do with how that person developed their sense of arousal? Like let's say you and I were raised by parents who were very prudish or shy about sex/gender. Because of that and other sources of development we learned to carefully avoid certain topics or ideas out of a learned sense of fear or shame. As a result, for example normal thoughts of "i wonder what my sisters clothed feel like" or "whats it like to be a girl" were so avoided that they became sort of fetishized. Then the only way to really deal with those conflicting emotions are to secretly act on those fantasies... Which just fuels the cycle of shame and fear and further normalizing the otherwise normal thoughts. So people with AGP would have not developed it if they had a healthy outlet to explore or express those otherwise normal thoughts.
(1/2)

>>7415095
(2/2)
For cis men this means they are prone to mistaking their (now ingrained and fetishized) normal exploration of gender as /wanting/ to be a girl?

For trans girls this means that in addition to already feeling confused about their gender. They developed a fetish because they learned to believe "something is wrong with them". Some trans girls didnt "learn" those fetish creating thinking patterns - just like cis guys were comfortable to explore thinking about being a girl, realized it wasnt for them, and went on with their lives.

Does that seem like a decent explanation to you? Is that why you always read about "trutrans" girls who have "never" had sexual arousal from their self image as a woman? Excluding of course the ones who lie that they never felt that arousal, maybe out of fear that they would be labelled as a fetishistic crossdresser or something.

>>7415087
I wasn't really talking about passing; more about their perception of themselves and their identity and all the other wish-washy stuff. If nothing else, wanting to be treated as female by society and feeling seriously bad about not being marks a significant difference between transgirls and feminine guys (who don't care about that or are even actively bothered by it).

Can you say why you think of transgirls as effeminate males? To you, on what level do they differ from cis women, and to what extent does that apply to transwomen in general (as opposed to just applying to some, even if it's very common)? What makes it appealing to you?

>>7414974
I think i experience dysphoria. For me, its like those moments where you are falling asleep and suddenly remember an embarassing moment from middle school, and you go "fucking idioooot" out loud to yourself. I get something like that, except its when i feel the "weight" (not literally) of my male body or just have a moment of acute awareness that my body feels wrong in some unexplainable way. When those moments happen i just get this face like i heard bad news. Kind of like when walter white is freaking out and he does that thing where his mouth is open and hes just staring off somewhere? Its like that. Idk there are other kinds of moments but thats the worst of them.

>>7415095
>>7415102
It's one theory I see presented fairly often, yes. I personally think it makes more sense than the alternative given how AGP usually goes away after one has transitioned and lived as a woman for a lengthy period of time, yet the desire to be a woman remains and said individual usually remains sexually active. Those facts are very much inconsistent with the popular alternative explanations.

>>7415087
I think it makes sense to think of a transsexual as literally between genders given how they share traits with both. Men, women, FtMs and MtFs are thus all different categories.

>>7415158
Fuck you dude

How do I know whether I'm AGP+Trans or just the former? Every time I try to explore these thoughts I just get horny.

>>7415126
>perception of themselves and their identity and all the other wish-washy stuff.
Fair enough.

>wanting to be treated as female...marks a significant difference between transgirls and feminine guys
I agree, though the categories can be a bit fluid in my opinion.

>Can you say why you think of transgirls as effeminate males? To you, on what level do they differ from cis women
I think the difference between sexes is greatly overstated. Its strange to me that, as a society, we treat male and female like separate species. But there are still observable differences that place most people more closely toward one end of the curve or the other. The fact that transgirls lack female genital anatomy (SRS does not a real vagina make) and never had the potential to produce female gametes places them more closely toward the male end of the spectrum for me.

Although I will concede that the use of exogenous hormones and the accompanying *cumulative* physical changes does place them farther along the curve. But again, I don't think males and females are so different. We all have the same hormonal receptors and our bodies will respond in kind when given the proper chemicals. If you do it early enough (such as in CAIS), you can even make a genetic male, for all intents and purposes, female.

>What makes it appealing to you?
This I can't easily answer. A part of me does feel as if I should have been female (socially and maybe physically), and that thought scares me. So to an extent I do think I see myself as a transgirl, but I have difficulty acknowledging claims of innate female essence because it seems antithetical to reality.

On top of that, it feels as if my attraction to other natal males is the only 'safe space' in my sexuality not consumed by AGP. The heterosexual portion of my sexuality is tainted. By contextualizing transgirls as males I feel more comfortable in being attracted to them. Basically, I see my homosexual half as more pure.

>>7415158
Sorry. I didn't mean to upset anyone, but I'd have to be an idiot to think that comment wouldn't do just that. I sometimes forget how varied the posters here are.

I think that so long as the gender binary is enforced on a social level and the infrastructure of the world is built for men and women it not only makes sense but is only decent to treat people as the gender they want to be treated as. When we outgrow that, though, I think it is fair to consider transitioners as different from both the gender they were and the gender they embraced. At that point one has to hope that the implication of being categorized as such wouldn't be socially significant in the slightest.

It is fair to call this a clusterfuck.

>>7415395
was a response to
>>7415197

>>7413420

>Ooga booga
>red pilled/nazi

You know she doesn't want the BBC, don't you Tyrone?

Why do you want an AGP over a "trutrans?"

>>7415600
>Annoying hyperfag who has to be validated every 10 seconds or they'll chop off their own dick and whose interests involve trivial women shit
>vs
>Shy bisexual nerd who is laid back, desperate to please, probably plays video games and has other real interests aside from handbags and shoes

Real hard decision there. With the former you're getting a woman with all the attendant problems, minus being able to have kids. With the latter you're getting a bro with a qt feminine body.

>>7415854
>>>/femgen/

>got ffs
>the pain turns me on

>>7416037

So you're recovering right now?

>>7416049
mhm

>>7416037
How much was it, and what surgeon?

>>7416076

Are you a masochist or do you associate the pain with becoming more feminine.

>>7416037
if I stay within my budget I'll have enough for it by the end of next year !

how long ago was it?

>>7416103
30k, Spiegel
>>7416106
latter
>>7416293
like a week

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>>7404797

Seriously, what did anon mean by this?

>>7417571
Well humans are expected to achieve singularity by 2045 so if you hold out until then you can be the little grill.

>>7417530
>Spiegel
i'm so sorry

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>>7417579

What's the point of that when it's not the body but the experiences that I want? Who are going to be my new parents? How am I going to go back to school? Besides that, cyborg bodies gross me out.

>>7417597
Well you'd be immortal and at that point most likely we'd be able to reverse age anyway. We already can to a certain extent. In mice studies C60 fullerene bucky ball compounds have easily made mice survive 4-5 generations longer than their counterparts.
We're not too far away from reversing aging and agelessness. It's a fair compromise to missing your youth.

>>7416037
I hope you like the result. I'm happy for you.

>haven't had borderline trans AGP feels in a while
>have a dream where I'm trying to escape someone
>friend volunteers to change my identity
>look in mirror and see someone with a very Sombra-esque vibe (sort of a cyberpunk look, lots of neon highlights and an aggressive haircut)
>be extremely pleased with how distinctly not-me I look though I can see the faintest traces of my old features still
>feel excited about the idea of a new start and identity
>haha nope wake up fucker time to work

I guess it was good while it lasted but gdi I'm 27 and I'm too old for this shit

>>7417582
lol, you know these guys do upwards of 150 people/year? of course spiegel is going to have some shitty examples. it'd be suspicious if he didn't. I started hrt at 18, and my face wasn't masculine to begin with. I'm not remotely concerned, and your baseless fear mongering is a detriment to transsexuals everywhere.

Am I bi, trans, or do I just have a bad case of AGP? I am really into the idea of being a girl but only to satisfy the AGP, this includes being with a guy, but only that the idea of sucking a dick is feminine. After I am done fantasizing I have no interest in men. I also hate all features of men including myself, i'm 19 and am getting more masculine as time goes by, wanting to shave and be more feminine in nature.

>>7417873
The dreams where I get to be a woman are the best.

>>7417873
>look in mirror and see someone with a very Sombra-esque vibe
im sorry you had such a horrible nightmare

>>7417958
I'm going for Spiegel as well. People on 4chan try to dissuade me from him but I've never been impressed by any other surgeons except Dr O (who doesn't do it anymore) and one person from Dr Bart. So even though he's expensive Dr Spiegel is my choice

>>7418720
>trusting a Jew

You'll learn one day.

>>7417992
Sounds agp and/or trans

I have conducted a small experiment on myself to see if indulging makes it worse - and yes it does.
Abstaining for a week or so and avoiding any erotic content and AGP fantasies Iv been feeling almost normal and no intense desire to become a woman.

But after I gave in and masturbated and watched normal and ts porn these feelings came back strong, and persisted even after I was done to complete depletion and had a nap.

>>7418798

Is Spiegel a Jew name? As far as I've seen, Ashkenazi names are composed of two German words.

>>7419123

A week is too short a time. But you also don't want to mess with a longer amount of time because what if you end up needing to transition but you've wasted your shot?

>>7419156
>is spiegel a jew
Bless your heart. Take this however you wish.

From a Jewish publication
http://boston.forward.com/articles/187802/beauty-in-a-brave-new-world/

>Spiegel’s wife, Dr. Onir Spiegel, is an Israeli doctor who also works in his practice. The couple belongs to Congregation Kehillath Israel in Brookline. Both Drs. Spiegel are active in CJP and the Newton JCC, and their children attend Jewish day schools. “Everything I do,” Spiegel said, “is through a Jewish lens.”

http://jewishtimes.com/38501/spiegel-honored-for-plastic-surgery/news/
>Spiegel lectures widely in the field of Jewish ethics as it relates to facial plastic surgery and is considered a world expert in the field of cosmetic and feminization surgery.

https://www.yjpboston.org/events/jmed/
>YJP = Young Jewish Professionals
>The next YJP Chai Medical Division event is going to be held on Wednesday night, March 19th. Join us for an evening with Sushi and Cocktails and hear renowned plastic surgeon Dr. Jeffrey Spiegel

>>7418798
>Not only a jerk but also racist
Unsurprising.

>>7419419
I simply support making informed choices, anon. Whether you choose to see his Jewishness as good, bad, or neither is your own decision.

>>7418135
Hey, I actually like her design a lot. I'd love to look like that, if only to have an identity that's not "dull and racially ambiguous."

>argue in favor of facial surgery
>instead get propaganda about the Jewish influence
kek

>>7419355
This is why I refuse to transition over AGP. It's a shekelgrubing conspiracy.

Now, how do I get some of this sushi and cocktails and presumably shrimp because Jews love shrimp?

>>7420075
>implying you aren't scapegoating your problems
I'm glad I wasn't this spineless and pathetic when I realized I had GID.

>>7420170
It's all a ruse. Your dysphoria wouldn't get worse on its own because you're not really trans. You were told it would and believed that so it did. A little bit of psyops and shilling got the Jews a shitload of money because you were horny.

>>7420203
>'oh shit, he's right, I'm cis' says the male to female transsexual as she lies down in her bed. 'if only I knew to not trust the jews I'd be living my life as the man I always knew I was!'
grow up

>>7420052
Harry Benjamin, Magnus Hirschfeld, and Stanley Biber were also Jewish.

>>7420240
I suppose you're going to tell me I'm jewish next because I wanted to transition on my own?

>>7420230
You got tricked. There's no shame in it, your entire world has been engineered by them to trick you. I'm not telling you to detrans or kill yourself. Just don't try to suck other people into your shitty situation to justify your mistake.

>>7420251
>used to be depressed and reclusive
>transitioned
>now confident, outgoing, and socially active
wow those kikes sure rused me good

>>7420268
You won't be producing more Aryan babies will you?

>>7420268
Congratulations on the placebo effect. They told you it would do that, remember? How your "dysphoria" was at fault for these issues, and that only transition could ever cure if. There are cheaper treatments for depression and anxiety. I'm glad this worked for you but you really did get taken for a ride.

>>7420282
>implying i can't have children
>>7420288
>all problems solved
>placebo

>>7420300
Placebos do work... I encourage you to visit the wikipedia page. It has a simple overview of how and why it works, and can direct you to numerous papers showing the placebo effect in action against both mental and physical ailments. What you believe is extremely important in determining what your body can and will do.

>>7420300
You want to be a woman because our (((society))) through the (((media))) has been drilling it into our heads that only women can be loved. The family unit has been broken up, promiscuity makes for broken guarded hearts and loneliness, and the reciprocal relationship between the sexes has been destroyed. Sensitive, impressionable young men like yourself see that women are still cared about, and naturally you want to become one. In reality you just want to be loved.

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>being this bored to engage with low quality shitposting

>>7420329
I don't care about being loved as a woman.

Look anon, your viewpoint is that Jewish people want to undermine Western society by sterilization. So they convince people to switch genders. You don't see how that's less plausible than people just exercising their rights to bodily autonomy?

>>7420353
It's by no means the only way to bring about white genocide. Feminism, the pill, race-mixing, drugs, pornography, immigration, welfare for non-whites. Do what thou wilt is the Satanic motto, and the Jews just happen to be behind the push for pornography, prostitution, promiscuity, and dilution of our country. Just saying.

I once wanted to be a woman too, and even took estrogen, before I knew what was going on. Not anymore. You can be loved for who you are anon, even if you are a male. You don't need to fall for this illusion. Tune out the media, find a red pilled girl to make a life with, the way God intended.

>>7420378
>God
no thanks, you're repressed, I'm out

>>7420378
>Do what thou wilt is the Satanic motto
You know that doesn't mean "Do whatever you want!", right? It means that you must complete His will for you in this world, and not only exists largely outside of Satanism but originates from Hermetic texts referring to a sort of fate or destiny.

>>7420392
Not all religious people are repressed.

>>7420392
Then do it for your bloodline. Your ancestors would be disgusted.

>>7420410
It means the individual becomes the arbiter of what is morally right, rather than God.

>>7420075
>>7420203
>>7420245
>>7420251
>>7420282
>>7420288
>>7420329
>>7420378
>>7420430
Go back to your containment board stormscum.

>>7420170
I know you're probably taking the bait for fun but please don't. This just encourages them to litter the thread further.

>>7420472
>self-hating trannies don't belong here either

Thanks, senpai.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TGandSissyRecovery/
lel

>>7420472
>implying I can't be AGP and also hate the covetous Jews who did this to me

>>7420789
>tfw the jews cut half your dick off turning you into a sissy
(((thanks)))

>>7420378
>>the way God intended

>Blames everything on the Jews because he's a low IQ, low effort beta
>Literally worships a semitic tribal blood god
>Being this beholden to a parasitic eastern faith with no roots in Classical Europe
>Not worshipping Odin or Zeus or literally any other Euro god

>>7420805
I think uncut is generally considered more feminine though

>>7425564
While uncut is more feminine (and a requirement for being a feminine penis), being cut is emasculating and turns people into sissies and future AGP trans.

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>start hrt
>libido plummets and agp gone
>almost 2 months now and libido and agp coming back
fuck

>>7425564
>>7425646

>uncut
>feminine

Why? You realize most men are uncut, don't you?

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>anime makes me idolize youth and femininity
>hentai traps make me AGP as fuck
>the slippery slope of dickgirl porn makes me think it's ok
>know all of this and still 'dysphoric' over my body hair, manhands, wide shoulders, and narrow hips
H-Help.

>>7426173
I'm just going by what people say in 'feminine penis' threads bro

>>7426173
Being uncut is necessary for a feminine penis but not sufficient by itself.

>>7425835
you misspelled "yay"

>>7426173
basically this >>7426866
although if you'd like to troll r9k, make the equivalence

>>7426896
Feels good to get off but sometimes it feels more like a chore since I can't focus on other things when I'm horny. Don't really like getting hard either.

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>>7425835
Santa Blanchard will gift you a bag of skittles and estrogen-fueled female sexuality since you've been a good girl.

have you guys watched any sissy hypno porn?

>>7431459
I watched it once while on acid. Probably not the greatest decision. Then again watching any porn on acid/mushrooms is pretty crazy. Porn makeup looks pretty neat on acid though, albeit it makes me more jealous of women.

>>7431459
i couldn't get into sissy that much just because the writing was always so shitty
is hypno good?

>>7431581
Most hypno stuff is pretty cringey. A lot of it is just shemale porn overlayed with visual effects and some EDM playing in the background

>>7431581

I just watched one the other day and i'm totally hooked.

so I like the idea of being feminised and I don't really care who does it because bi, but at the same time I haven't crossdressed since I was super young, even though the idea has appealed to me for years at this point, I just don't have the courage to do so because overweight as fuck.
I also don't mind my facial hair as I think it makes me look good, but I want to be a lot more feminine than I currently am so I just don't know.
I want no accountability with my life, but I know I have to be accountable as a male, and I just don't want to be a lot of the time.
I've had this confusion for a better part of my life, and even though I can get along with Men and Women super easily and attraction to both sides is there, I don't know what it is that I want.
how do I know if just agp or something deeper?

Somebody tell me it's going to be ok...

I know it probably won't but every time I post here that's really what I want :(

>>7431814
It's going to be ok, anon.

>Super close to finishing the video game I've been making for the last forever
>Hit by AGP
>Don't want to do anything

>>7431459
most of it is terrible and i hate it

>>7431459
I listened to sissy hypno recordings when I was first becoming aware of my AGP and dysphoria (or I gave them to myself by listening to the hypnosis, who knows?). It was weird because it strongly appeals to so many of my other fetishes (like brainwashing in general, submission, and humiliation) that it was hard to realise just how much the feminisation aspect itself appealed to me, and then to realise that the appeal was more than just sexual.

I stopped when it started to make me uncomfortable with the focus on emasculation and on how despite the feminisation I still wasn't really a girl either; every file I'd found seemed to be like that. This was before I really started to develop an explicit feminine identity, or at least one I was aware of, but there was still something there. I realised that despite the appeal of being forced and humiliated and everything, what I wanted most was something that would let me feel like a girl in a natural way. I did find some files which sort of accommodated that, and they were nice to listen to (as well as making me sad), but even they seemed to presume I was totally a guy who was just exploring their femininity, rather than that I had any sort of "true" feminine identity or that such an identity could be my "real" one (rather than just a persona or something).

I haven't tried to listen to it for a long time, but I've been having the urge to again, partly due to accepting my AGP a lot more recently. I would have already if I knew anything that I'd like.

A lot of sissy porn has super low production values for some reason, which is why I never got into it beyond the hypnosis.

If anyone can recommend some hypnosis that shows acceptance of you being/becoming a "real" girl rather than just a failed feminised man, or just any feminisation porn where the "victim" actually explores their femininity and their identity and it's not just an excuse for them to have sex with a bunch of faceless guys, then I'd appreciate it.

>>7433140
>or I gave them to myself by listening to the hypnosis, who knows?).
I do. Hypnosis does not work like that. All it does it make you focused and uninhibited while entranced.

>>7433194
True, but I didn't mean hypnosis specifically. Plenty of people here have mentioned how indulging in AGP stuff made it worse, so I guess what I meant was that perhaps there were some latent feelings but they wouldn't have been a problem if I didn't go so deep into all this.

Looking at it further it seems increasingly likely that the feelings were always there and were going to come out and develop whether I aggravated them like this or not, even if doing so would make it happen faster. I still don't want to jump to any conclusions though.

>>7431814
I really wish I could hug you.

>>7431749
if the thought of becoming slim and feminine makes you all tingly and lightheaded and overcomes your desire to stuff your face with more food

>>7433318
I lost a whole bunch of weight a couple of years back but got lazy due to depression and weed, and trying to get back into it is super hard. I'm planning on getting back into dieting and exercise soon but due to my body type I'm probably better off just getting swole. =\

>>7433140
I can really relate to most of that, similarly listened to hypno at first to dose off and have some erotic dreams or just to fap (Im really really bad at going into trance) 'straight' erotic hypno seemed rather boring, explored femdom and forced fem and that totally clicked with my fantasies and hidden desires, it was scary but felt so good.
And some files that werent directly about sex or any humiliation, no 'sissy' shit just feminization that made me believe and feel I was a woman and suddenly made me feel so happy like physically all warm and tingly and not just aroused. Really makes you think...
Of course It was all fueled by AGP sexuality but still. I guess they made me accept my female side, and wanting to have sex with men too. Not like I havent imagined being a woman getting dicked in porn all the time before, but thats not the same.
I have also stopped listening to all that since it messed with my mind too much and made me feel unhappy about not fulfilling these fantasies in real life.

So yeah, if you already have these tendencies hypno can make it much stronger into fullblown dysphoria even for someone who is not very suggestible and has troubles going into trance like me. Be warned.

What typically referred to as 'Sissy hypno' is just fetish porn shit for porn addicts to wank to.

>>7433194
All hypnosis is self-hypnosis, that's right.

so this happened to me recently

>be me, i'd descibe me as 'closet agp'
>department christmas party at some bar
>apart from our department, there is apparently some rock band's crew there celebrating
>they're pretty much all mid-40s skinheads and drunk
>every time i pass them the make some homophobic/transphobic(?) remark
>official party ends, proceed to unofficial party
>the venue is the lowest of the low, everyone is gross and drunk
>some guy passing me says something like "wtf, do men look like women now?"

this is literally the first time i was harassed in this way, and twice in a row on one evening. i must admit, part of me even feels flattered, i was not aware that i looked anything but male. is this god's way of telling me to do transition after all?

>>7434523
I'm sorry you had to go through that, but maybe it is a sign that you could pass after all.

>>7414921
>I miss the German girl.
An AGP trans girl?

>>7435066
Yup. The one who used to post here.

>>7435281
What was so special about her?

>>7435816
She made good discussion, and was handling a survey of people here which would have been interesting and informative to see the results of.

>>7407215
i know exactly how you feel and then i went and told a friend and they called the cops and then they made me go to a fucking mental hospital and my insurance wont cover it and now im fucked out of 5 grand, still gotta pay for meds even though i dont take them(required to get them now because im 'high risk', if i dont i get involuntarily committed where they will forcefully inject the meds if they have to) and the meds they made me take just made my depression 10x worse and made me jittery with racing thoughts
dont go get help, you will only get fucked and then get in an endless loop of in and out of mental hospitals and a bill that keeps getting higher

>>7417629
will i get to relive my childhood but as a girl once we're immortal?

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>>7435911
of curse no, we will be let to die
only our overlord get to live forever

AGP is really a curse, I sometimes think of cutting my penis and testicles off so I could be free of sexual feelings, but maybe it wouldn't work. I wouldn't ever do it anyways, as i'd probably die and I am a coward.

>>7435873
that's so fucked up
what meds?

>>7435911

u might get to permanently be a girl in VR.

>>7435873
Sounds like a guy from discord who apparently got into huge debt after suicide attempts
murican healthcare, right

>>7436312
Nuke your test with AAs and you'll be chill.

>>7436684
already have, Lupron as well, It may give me cancer but it works well vs T. AGP is less but it's still here.

>>7436707
I found with hormones I've really balanced out a lot more. I've been a lot healthier, less depressed, and I don't spend all day thinking about fapping. I don't even really watch porn anymore. I do have trouble getting erections and I don't jizz very much but when I do fap I usually just chill in the shower and fap rather than sitting around watching porn and searching out tg erotica like I used to.

No idea what I'm going to do if I actually get legitimate boobs though. I'm okay with the ED cause I seem to be doing just fine so far plus I have plenty of dildos anyway lol

>>7404073
Cute

>>7436707
thats some heavy and expensive nuking you got there

>>7436726
>tfw just took a shower
yep, same, no more compulsive masturbation to anxiety and porn addiction, I do it when I feel like giving myself some pleasure to my fantasies

and I looove the lack of nasty manly smell and hoping for more feminization, Im yet to get on E, been only taking some AAs to test waters

>>7436808
UK NHS, will give it to under 18's as a puberty blocker, I'm over 18 on E now but they haven't taken it away. I really hope they don't, selfishly.

>>7404073
what is that comic you posted from? it's adorable

>>7415087
>but on a base level I will always seem them as very effeminate males and different from real women, which is part of the appeal for me.
>which is part of the appeal

You're either really young and ignorant or a total fucking asshole. I hope you grow up one day.

>Dream that I pass from certain angles
>Best dream I had in ages
Even my subconsciousness is all "let's not get carried away here".

>>7435816
She was really cool all around, and talking some things through with her was one of the few good things I did in my life.

>>7437854
Haha. That's depressing.

>>7437128
just a typical gynandromorphophiliac aka chaser

>>7436323
>>7436044
maybe i can marry an overlord in vr in exchange for getting his special treatment?

>>7434523
>i'd descibe me as 'closet agp'
So why are people assuming you're gay/trans? Were you dressing in female/feminine clothing?

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>>7437034

It's fanart of Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir

>>7435873
yeah I'm never gonna tell anyone how I feel about wanting to kill myself and how I feel about wanting to be a girl

I hate how random it is, something sets me off and I spiral into wanting to die for a few days and crying and everything and then I'm better a few days or a week later. Stress makes it a lot worse too.

I just don't feel like a real person because I just can't see myself as a guy.

>>7414684
>Also this chart seems a bit off, but I guess the average AGP is quite a more gynephilic than I am. In my case I've had bisexual feelings for a long time and I definitely feel more attracted to biological males than biological females.
AGPs are stereotypically very gynophilic, but on /lgbt/ there are plenty of us who are bi and iirc even androphilic AGPs have posted.

>>7414348
>They could be non-dysphoric, just like AGP cis guys can be. They'd rather fix their dysphoria over being female than live out their fetish.
An FTM who has dysphoria about being female but still has AGP is very different from a non-dysphoric male with AGP.

AGP can some with or without dysphoria against being male in males, but it would be new for it to come with dysphoria against being female. How do you fetishize something while being dysphoric against it?

Cis guys and mtf girls can have AGP, maybe with a spectrum between the two, but natal girls haven't. They can have AAP, whether cis or ftm, and despite the claims of AGP-like feelings in cis girls, to be a natal female and have AGP, even if you identify as male, would be something never before seen.

>>7438683
>So why are people assuming you're gay/trans? Were you dressing in female/feminine clothing?

i didn't think so
>bootcut dark pants
>black boots
>dark grey slim fit t-shirt
long hair, parted at the side
>no makeup or accessoires of any kind

must of been the hair i guess

>>7409258
>>7409698
>>I don't believe I'm trans either but I'm transitioning anyway
>You're literally trans now, even if you weren't before.
>>7409835
>It is just weird to see so many transitioners who clearly want to be women not count themselves as transsexual. Is there anything more to being trans than this deep wish, agony over not having fulfilled it, and the willingness to pursue it?
I often see people getting told on /lgbt/ that they aren't trans if they aren't dysphoric, even if they would prefer to be girls or have AGP.

So you could call someone like that who chooses to transition not trans.

I don't believe "trans" is a thing and I'm not dysphoric about my body. I just wish I was pretty and got treated like a girl and I have AGP. I'd be a girl if I could but my psychiatrist told me I don't have GID. If I transition, surely I'm still not trans.

>>7439302
What did your doc told you to do to cope with AGP and all the desires if you are not trans and not going to transition?

>>7439083
Why not go see a therapist? It sounds like it could really help you.
Also, the obligatory "why aren't you on skittles yet?"

>>7439758
That when I stop being depressed I'll stop envying girls.

Which was wrong because I'm much happier now but still have zero male sexuality, only AGP.

>>7439810
>That when I stop being depressed I'll stop envying girls.
This guy sounds like a professional.

>>7439810
So did he just put you on ADs?
I still envied girls but wasn't bothered much
by it when I've been feeling fine.

>>7439813
It was a woman but yes I've basically lost all faith in psychiatry.

>>7439828
Basically, but I was already prescribed ADs anyway.

>I still envied girls but wasn't bothered much
by it when I've been feeling fine.
Same, but I still want to be one when I'm feeling fine and still don't have normal male sexuality, straight or gay.

>>7439895
>It was a woman but yes I've basically lost all faith in psychiatry.
I would too, but to be fair there are hacks in every field.

>>7439784
I'm scared and keep putting stuff off. I'm scare of people finding out I'm seeing one or taking hormones, I'm scared of appearing feminine and vulnerable since I've always gotten made fun of for it so I don't want to show emotion.

>>7415600
>Why do you want an AGP over a "trutrans?"
Trutrans are lefty feminist transbians.

AGPs are red-pilled alt-right/libertarian sluts.

>>7440093
You have the rare chance to change your life for the better, and things will only get better if you act to make them so. For once your fate is in your hands. Seize this moment. Everyone is scared. You'd have to be thick not to be afraid in such a situation. To be courageous is to do the right thing despite being afraid.
Stand up! Move! Act! Whatever you decide, DECIDE! Do not let things simply resolve by themselves, watching your life flow between your fingers, acting the part of a passenger in your own body. Stillness is death!
Live!

>>7440093
Basically this >>7440392

Do you want to be a girl or not? Make a decision now and go for it, but don't be male by default, because you couldn't decide.

Pick a path and be able to justify your choice to yourself without saying "I was afraid".

>>7440421
Or go see a therapist to help you figure things out. Just act.

>>7440443
The whole
>Stand up! Move! Act! Whatever you decide, DECIDE!
is a bit less powerful when the context is "Get an expert to tell you what to do."

>>7440459
I see where you're coming from but deciding to get help is difficult and important.

>>7440517
Not as difficult or important as deciding on your own life.

>>7440523
I can agree with that and I understand your skepticism of psychology. However, hearing an expert's opinion is still useful so long as you remember that the choice is ultimately yours.

>>7439895
Well, diagnosis is not always correct especially when it comes to psychological problems and there is still too much unknown about gender issues.

There is this old diagnosis Transvestic fetishism in IDC10 (Classification of Diseases) which is still a standard in many countries, it should be replaced by a new revision next year internationally.
And what are you supposed to do with that diagnosis, dress up sometimes to feel better?

>>7440244
>lefty
>feminist
unlikely!

also
>AGPs
>being that cucked

>>7441526
I'm AGP as fuck, but I'm also SJW as fuck

>>7404073
>sexually aroused with thoughts of being woman
>thoughts constantly filled with idea of being a woman
>sometimes wish i was female
>although comfortable in male body
>AGP?

>>7440244
from what i see people who care about stuff like 'trutrans' are mostly red pilled / right wing whatever

>>7441600
>comfortable in male body
u sure about that

>>7441594
Same here, though 4chan makes it hard to express this.

>>7404306
This

>>7441594
>>7442434
SJWs pls go

>>7442703
Never! Someone must counterbalance your negativity.

New thread

>>7442871
>>7442871
>>7442871