/agpg/ - AGP General

>>7442871
>Following the previous cute OP with a low quality porn OP
you had one job
petition to restart the thread with a cuter image GO

>>7442874
i dont even go to this gen and i googled that show to watch because of how cute the comic was so i second that motion

>>7442874
vote against

>>7442894
>Liking trashy sluts with cowtits

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>>7442922

Reminder that your perverse mind inherently sexualizes large breasts.

>>7442933
Look at the "shirt" of the woman in the OP..

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>>7442946

Be honest. You don't think this one is slutty only because she is not as well-endowed, do you?

>>7442955
I still think it is slutty desu but if we're being serious then there's nothing wrong with dressing like a slut if that's what you want. I just find this highly unappealing. The monsterous nails, deep cleavage, short skirt and tiger pattern make her look like a cheap street walker.

>>7442975
Take the desu out of that sentence and I'll take you seriously.

>>7443152
This site filters To Be Honest to desu newfriend.

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>>7443152
baka desu
OP image is ugly allround, sorry

>>7443206
Damn. Is that so...

Fuck this site.

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>>7442975

Would you have preferred this?

>>7443152

How don't you know about the filter?

>>7443295
I'm an idiot.

For real though, I've only ever seen it sparingly on other boards so I just assumed it was some trend or something. It pissed me off every time I saw it though and then I came to this board and saw it a ridiculous amount of times and took out my aggression on that other anon.

>>7443315
you must be really new
s m h t b h f a m

>>7443323
I'm seriously not. I just thought everyone was a weeb or saying it ironically, I guess. I don't fucking know but fml.

>>7443340
there's been a plague of fb niggerspeak (I guess mostly on popular boards like vidia) and after chink moot acquired the site they implemented auto-correction to weeb equivalent baka desu senpai

>>7443295
Yes but you've also made me realize that maybe large-busted women just weird me out. Perhaps I'm subconsciously jealous? I don't know.

>>7443291
>>7443315
>>7443340
No big deal it is not like writing t b h is proper either haha.

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>>7442922
There are plenty of bimbois here that want to be trashy sluts with cowtits. Not all of us feel like tiny anime girls in cute costumes

>>7443383
I mean I get this as a sexual fantasy but I wouldn't want to look like this in my day to day life. It is hot exactly because it is degrading. If I could choose an ideal body I'd probably be a comfy stick with Cs at most. Knowing myself I'd be too lazy to put in effort into my appearance so I'd just go for something like a short ponytail, no makeup, sweatpants and a shirt. Add a trench coat if it's cold.

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>>7443421
Being degraded 24/7 just because of how we look is a large part of the AGP community. We can get along if people would only insult us as part of the fantasy and not because of what fantasy we have

>>7443439
Eeeeeh... AGP is a fetish for me. It is not my identity. Like, I also want to be a woman separately from that? Does that make sense?

>>7443449
It does because you're trans and AGP is a fetish for anyone. Being AGP is like being into feet or bondage. It's not a sexual orientation like gay or bi

>>7443383

Eh, I want to have large breasts and a small waist to hip ratio (which is why I chose that picture for the OP), but the bimbo facial aesthetic is highly unappealing as a sexual fantasy and as a day-to-day life thing for me.

>>7443503
>Being AGP is like being into feet or bondage. It's not a sexual orientation like gay or bi
Then explain pseudo-bisexuality/pseudo-androphilia.

>>7442922
i don't necessarily like this op but i definitely didn't like the last one

>>7443295
>>7443206
tbdesu I hate when people unironically use tb᠎h and I only use tb᠎h/desu when I'm shitposting

>>7444498
You might be an enemy of cuteness. Prove your humanity, specter - what do you find cute?

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>>7444498

You may have Hollowed, friend.

>>7445794
What's with all the androphile AGPs nowadays?

>>7445822

It's too easy to lose to the cock.

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>>7443680
>pseudo-X
They are exactly what their name implies. A fantasy is not a sexual orientation. Nobody is pregnantsexual. People are gay, bi, or straight and happen to have a fetish for pregnant women

>>7445822
I actually always thought it was more common. I always figured most gay guys fantasized about being a girl and getting fucked by guys and then upon actually meeting other gay guys I realized that's not the case at all lol

I had no idea gynephilia was the more common thing. I guess it does make sense since most tg erotica is gynephilic stuff about transbians.

>>7445822
does it matter? true-agps are only attracted to female-self anyway

>>7446007
>People are gay, bi, or straight and happen to have a fetish for pregnant women
So that makes us gay, or straight if you count us as women.

But then our orientation stops being androphile when not imagining being female.

>>7446025
I don't know if it is but that's what Blanchard thought and the transbian thing is a good point too.

>I always figured most gay guys fantasized about being a girl and getting fucked by guys and then upon actually meeting other gay guys I realized that's not the case at all lol
Did you start liking guys before having AGP fantasies? I was the other way around, so I never thought I was gay or thought gay guys were like me that way. I thought I had transbian sexuality until I started to AGP fantasize about guys more than other women.

>>7446047
>true-agps are only attracted to female-self anyway
If you were really attracted to your female-self you'd be aroused by having sex as her.

>>7446088
>Did you start liking guys before having AGP fantasies? I was the other way around, so I never thought I was gay or thought gay guys were like me that way. I thought I had transbian sexuality until I started to AGP fantasize about guys more than other women.
I'm not too sure which came first. I've always had kind of weird agp thoughts even while young and maybe I've had bi tendencies but I've always preferred being with guys even if I'm not actually a girl, I just like bottoming though.
I've always wanted to be able to crossdress for guys but I don't think they'd be into it. Plus now I'm taking hormones so I kind of feel like my life is a little out of control at the moment and not sure how I'd even find a guy that wants to be with me. Like I don't even know if I want to socially transition.

>>7446088
>So that makes us gay, or straight if you count us as women.
If you're a woman, cis or trans, who is into men then you're straight. If you're into women then you're gay. If you're into both you're bi. That's LGBT 101, anon.
>But then our orientation stops being androphile when not imagining being female.
Androphile is not an orientation. It's a aesthetic preference. Preferring to be with people who are masculine is no different then being attracted to people who blonde or freckly

>>7446111
I had normal attraction to girls and AGP at around the same time, if they are separate, and it was only when exploring AGP fantasies that I started getting really into submission and guys.

But now I'm in a similar place to you, wanting to crossdress for guys but liking them even without being a girl.

If I could become a girl I would but I'd rather just be bi and find a boyfriend who doesn't mind me being effeminate and crossdressing than actually transition. I don't care enough to socially transition beyond within a relationship.

>>7446134
>If you're a woman, cis or trans, who is into men then you're straight. If you're into women then you're gay. If you're into both you're bi. That's LGBT 101, anon.
When I think of myself as a girl I'm into men.

Is that <straight if I'm a girl/gay if I'm a man> or just a fetish or something?

>start feeling a little gay
>shave whole body
>ride dildo for 3 hrs
>cum

>remember I'm "straight" 6'2 and 200 lbs
>now have to avoid having sex with girls because I have stubble on my legs and shit

Why the fuck do I do this to myself

>>7446156
>wanting to have sex with girls
lesbo

>>7446139
Well I'm not 100% sure about transitioning but I really really don't like how my body is masculinizing plus I hate my man butt and everything.
I have a feeling hormones are going to kind of suck cause realistically how can I go my entire life hiding boobs? But I don't like my man body it sucks....

>>7446149
Not sure why this is so complicated.
A woman who is attracted to men is a heterosexual.

>>7446167
What happens if you stay on anti-androgens for life?

>>7446173
>When I think of myself as a girl I'm into men.
>A woman who is attracted to men is a heterosexual.
So now my AGP fantasy of being a woman makes me one and makes my attraction to guys female heterosexuality, and AGP isn't just a fantasy not a sexual orientation any more >>7446007 ?

>>7446198
>So now my AGP fantasy
Sorry, I misunderstood. When you said you think of yourself as a woman I thought you were saying you're trans. If you're a man who's in to men then you're gay

>>7446211
No, you still misunderstand. My fantasy is being a girl with a guy. Does that count as my gender identity and orientation and make me trans and straight like you said now?

>If you're a man who's in to men then you're gay
But you said I'm not into men because AGP is just a fantasy.

Just got told My pic triggered someone's AGP on femgen. Feels good, feels damn good

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I want to be a girl because of anime. Obviously I shouldn't transition because male to anime girl is not a surgery so what can I do? I'd like to make all of this go away if possible. I tried cutting off anime but it did no good and sort of made it worse.

>>7446198
>What happens if you stay on anti-androgens for life?
Well probably liver failure lol
In reality at some point antiandrogens and estrogen should atrophy your testicles to the point of no return though.

I've actually been looking at all this old research on heat shock proteins in testicles and during the 70s and 80s they thought that heating testicles to between 43-47 celsius would work as a contraceptive. I guess it turns out that after they had really studied it in animals that it creates all these crazy heat shock proteins which basically eat away at your testicles. In some animals they had a permanent 70% reduction in testicle size after just a single 45min exposure to 47 celsius.
I dunno if it will work but I'm doing it. I dunno if my testicles have shrunk much though. Supposedly it takes 20-30 days to notice since residual testosterone and HSP's just kind of hang around in your testicles for like a month or so.

I dunno if I'd recommend people do this though, I'm probably like legit crazy though so I give zero fucks.

>>7446156
>have to avoid having sex with girls because I have stubble on my legs

just tell them you have a bike race coming up or you're a swimmer and need to cut down the drag in the water. women don't care if you shave your legs.

>>7446224
>My fantasy is being a girl with a guy
Is it a fantasy or do you actually have gender dysphoria? If it's just a fantasy then you, as in you in real life, are gay. In your fantasy life, which is imaginary, the character representing you is straight.
>Does that count as my gender identity
Wre you trans? If no then no.
>make me trans and straight like you said now?
Do you not know what misunderstood means?
>But you said I'm not into men because AGP is just a fantasy.
I clearly don't have enough details so I'll try to get things clear
>Do you have gender dysphoria or is it just a fantasy?
>When you are not fantasizing, what gender are you attracted to?

>>7446247
>>Do you have gender dysphoria or is it just a fantasy?
I don't hate my body but I wish I was a girl and have AGP.

>>When you are not fantasizing, what gender are you attracted to?
I'm "attracted" to girls but it's AGP sexuality attraction, wanting to look like them not wanting to fuck them.

>>7446272
>I don't hate my body but I wish I was a girl and have AGP.
Ok. You are cis
>I'm "attracted" to girls but it's AGP sexuality attraction, wanting to look like them not wanting to fuck them.
So you're not sexually attracted to girls? *IF* you are only attracted to men then as a cis man you are gay. You're fantasy life a girl is not real and cannot be your real orientation or gender

>>7446236

What was it?

>>7446243

You've obviously never sat in a sauna or a hot tub.

>>7446289
Not the other guy, but what if I'm happy as a guy, but take steps to look like a girl when I want to (hormones and crossdressing) sort of like a femboy who doesn't mind the tits

>>7446289
>Ok. You are cis
But when I said I thought of myself as a woman that was all you needed to think I was trans, no dysphoria needed.

>So you're not sexually attracted to girls?
I am very attracted to girls, but instead of wanting to fuck one I want to be one. It's still sexual attraction.

>>7445115
>>7445794
this is literally just run of the mill straight tranny shit

>>7446319
If you're born with a penis and aren't trans then you're a man. Putting on a skirt doesn't change your gender

>>7446298
This one
>>7445929

>>7446331
you posted in one of the crossdressing stories threads too!
>>7314849
>>7439335

>>7446328
Yeah I get that, but I reckon some would argue that taking steps to change gendered traits means you're trans even if you don't socially transition.

like, try explain a femboy to a pensioner they just can't wrap thier heads around it

>>7446300
Hot tubs are only like 37-41 celsius. I used to own one, we always set it for like 108F at the max, which is 42C. Usually even that was too hot to stand though. You need to get up to like 47 celsius to generate heat shock proteins.

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>>7446323

you sound like a drag queen

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>>7446325

And there's nothing wrong with it.

>>7446328
>If you're born with a penis and aren't trans then you're a man.
or to be more succinct:
>if you aren't trans you aren't trans
amazing observation anon!

>>7446323
> that was all you needed to think I was trans
I didn't realize you meant in your fantasy you think of yourself as a woman. I thought you meant all the time which is usually another way of saying you're dysphoric. I jumped to conclusions and thought you had gender dysphoria which was and still is what I believe makes someone trans. I have never and do still do not think just fantasizing about being a woman makes someone trans. Please understand what I'm saying this time. I can't think of any other way to explain the mistake I made
>I am very attracted to girls, but instead of wanting to fuck one I want to be one. It's still sexual attraction.
No it isn't. SEXUAL attraction is about what you want to have sex with

>>7446343
Oh god, I did
>>7434972
I completely forgot is done that. I'm home for Christmas so I can't crossdress, getting over it by posting the pics if myself I do have. You know? The ones I told myself I'd delete and never show anyone...

>>7446370
I never think of myself as a man. I just know I'm male and have a feminine personality and imaging actually being female when I'm aroused. So it's not like I'm a normal cis guy apart from my AGP fantasies.

>No it isn't. SEXUAL attraction is about what you want to have sex with
I get sexual arousal and have sexual fantasies involving pretty girls, exactly like straight guys, except I'm not the one fucking them.

>>7446381
>You know? The ones I told myself I'd delete and never show anyone...
honestly you trigger my agp too. especially that pic with the panties and stockings. you've got girl waist and hair...

so, glad you didn't delete them and never show anyone!

>>7446242
you probably just want to be a girl and anime is an excuse you are using to keep lying to yourself.

>>7446242
crossdress by yourself and imagine being an anime girl to fap, and leave it at that.

>>7446397
>I never think of myself as a man. I just know I'm male and have a feminine personality
Knowing you're a man and not being dysphoric about it is thinking of yourself as a man. Being feminine and being a man are completely compatible.
>and imaging actually being female when I'm aroused.
Again, that's just a fantasy.
>So it's not like I'm a normal cis guy apart from my AGP fantasies.
True. Being feminine is not the norm for cis men. But being feminine doesn't mean you're no longer a man. There are plenty of men, of any sexual orientation, who are feminine and still men.
>I get sexual arousal and have sexual fantasies involving pretty girls exactly like straight guys, >except I'm not the one fucking them.
But that's the opposite of what sexually arouses straight guys

>>7446408
Honestly, it's weird but what gets me is the tuck on the red panties pic, something about being pretty much flat definitely gets me going, that and the hair, but that's a wig unfortunately

>>7446429
>Honestly, it's weird but what gets me is the tuck on the red panties pic, something about being pretty much flat definitely gets me going,
so glad i'm not alone on this! it's what i love about pics of cis girls. not asses, more than tits, the smooth, flat front of the panties. not a trap bulge, just the female shape.

is this an agp thing?

>that and the hair, but that's a wig unfortunately
aw

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>feel shitty all day
>look in the mirror
>why even live
>not horny but try to fap cause its the last source of any pleasure
>get bored of porn cant cum
>see female PoV
>get off in 2 min
>expect to feel disgusted and ashamed after orgasm
>instead feel good and feminine
>badly want to see that soft female body when I look down myself

Are there non-porn female PoV vids where you could look from the eyes of a girl? I need that for therapeutic effect

>>7446357
>>>/mtfg/

>>7446422
>Knowing you're a man and not being dysphoric about it
I don't know I'm a man, I know I'm male. I never think of myself as a man and I hate the thought of being one. But my body isn't "a man", it's just male and I don't hate it.

>Again, that's just a fantasy.
It's what I imagine when I'm aroused the same way straight guys imagine fucking girls. What makes that an orientation and this just a fantasy?

>But that's the opposite of what sexually arouses straight guys
It's the exact same fantasy, from a different perspective. Something that's actually different from what straight guys are aroused by is gay sex between two men, and it's the same for me as for straight guys, something that doesn't arouse us. I'm not aroused by that or attracted to it. I'm aroused by and attracted to the same thing as straight guys, sexy women.

>>7446325
>>7446450
What's so straight tranny about it?

>>7446440
Yeah I've never been into the whole trap bulge thing, (not in real life but it can work in hentai (even then, it's better if you see steps taken to make it flat))

I do think it's weird that you don't hear about it on this gen though.

My normal hair is crazy long for a guy but ringlet-y, I wanna try straightening it when I get back from Christmas break

>>7446468
>I hate the thought of being one
>it's just male and I don't hate it
So do you hate having a man's body or not?
>It's what I imagine when I'm aroused the same way straight guys imagine fucking girls.
Imaging fucking a man is the same as when straight guys imagine fucking girls. Imagining yourself is a woman's body is the fetish part. Just like if you were to imagine the man you're fucking is strongfat because that's what you might prefer him to look like. Fashion and body type preference for you or your partner =/= sexual orientation. Attraction to which sex does
>It's the exact same fantasy, from a different perspective.
No. It's the opposite because the straight guy imagines himself as himself fucking woman and you're imaging yourself as someone else fucking a man.
>I'm not aroused by that or attracted to it.
You don't have to be. If you're a man attracted to men then you're gay, regardless of how feminine you are.
>I'm aroused by and attracted to the same thing as straight guys, sexy women
You're aroused to idea of looking like one. Straight men are not aroused by this idea. They are aroused by the thought of sticking their dicks in that woman which you seem to not want. How is this so difficult to understand?

>>7446236
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>tfw don't feel like a real person
>only way I could be a real person is to be a girl because then I could have relationships and care about my life

why can't i just die

every day I hope that someone will just shoot me or i'll fall and crack my skull open and die

>>7446499
It's alright, the pic didn't have my face, that's the real test. I posted it to 4chan a couple weeks back and got told I look like a faggot in a wig. Feels bad if that makes you feel better

>>7446481
same about hentai. but what i really dislike is visible dick, especially erect. but chasers seem to really like that and probably like female-looking least, after trap bulge.

>I do think it's weird that you don't hear about it on this gen though.
it's kinda hard to explain and i hadn't considered that others might be into it too.. but now we know we can ask about it each thread or start a what triggers your dysphoria/agp thread with it in the op.

it's obvious why we like it i suppose. it's so totally feminine and female, physically and in clothing, and sexual.

>>7446520
Yeah we can start the 'real' Flat-Is-Justice movement

>>7446520
I kinda dislike visible dick too honestly but I'd never thought too much about it,

I think I dislike it when it's focused on but don't mind when it's in the background or mentioned in a degrading way

>>7446473
everything. it's not agp it's literally just hetero girl or gaydude fantasy.

>>7446493
>So do you hate having a man's body or not?
I have a male body not "a man's body" and the best I can say about it is that I put up with it.

>Imagining yourself is a woman's body is the fetish part. Just like if you were to imagine the man you're fucking is strongfat because that's what you might prefer him to look like. Fashion and body type preference for you or your partner =/= sexual orientation.
You are equating arousal to the fashion/aesthetic of me and of my partner, but not of my sex and of my partner's sex.

If imagining I'm fit is equivalent to imagining my partner is fit, and both are fetishes, then imagining I'm female is equivalent to imagining my partner is male, and both are sexual orientations.

>No. It's the opposite because the straight guy imagines himself as himself fucking woman and you're imaging yourself as someone else fucking a man.
But it's the same fantasy. It's a fantasy that is heterosexual, either hetero male from one perspective or hetero female from the other. It's not a gay fantasy and I'm as unaroused by gay fantasies as straight guys are.

>You're aroused to idea of looking like one. Straight men are not aroused by this idea.
Neither are gay men.

>They are aroused by the thought of sticking their dicks in that woman which you seem to not want. How is this so difficult to understand?
Just like gay men are aroused by the thought of the same with another man. But I'm not.

>>7446562
Where's the line between AGP and hetero girl fantasy?

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>>7446088
>Did you start liking guys before having AGP fantasies?
dont know, I had bi tendencies and mild AGP from long time ago and I didnt feel it was connected, so I don't think its pseudo-bisexuality for me
but then as AGP blown up I see myself as a female with a man, I dont want to be in male role at all, gay or straight
would love to be with a woman or transgirl in a pseudo-lesbian relationship too (but probably not with a butch lesb lol)

>If you were really attracted to your female-self you'd be aroused by having sex as her.
uhmmm yeah... I want to have sex as a woman and I get off to being a woman in my fantasies, rather than to anything else

>>7446567
>I have a male body not "a man's body"
Please explain
>then imagining I'm female is equivalent to imagining my partner is male, and both are sexual orientations.
Half right. What you imagine your partner to be is sexual orientation. What you imagine yourself to be is not. A gay man who fantasizes about being a woman is still a gay man. Your fantasies are in your head, anon. You don't actually transform into a woman when you think about having sex with men. You are a man thinking about having sex with men in real life.
>But it's the same fantasy
No. It's the same characters but a different story.
>It's not a gay fantasy
In the fantasy world you're not gay. In the real world you are. If the only time you're a woman is in your imagination then why would you think you're not gay in reality?
>Just like gay men are aroused by the thought of the same with another man.
Not all gay men are tops

>>7446516
I've seen your pics, I think you need different cut and glasses to look more fem
you got sexy bod and clothes, I want that too

>>7446592
>Please explain
It's just a body, not who I am. Being a man would be who I am.

>Half right. What you imagine your partner to be is sexual orientation. What you imagine yourself to be is not.
That's arbitrary.

>You are a man
No I'm not.

>No. It's the same characters but a different story.
What's the difference?

>If the only time you're a woman is in your imagination then why would you think you're not gay in reality?
If the only time trans women are women is in their imaginations then why would you think they aren't male in reality?

>Not all gay men are tops
Gay bottoms don't want to be fucked in the pussy either.

>>7446604
Yeah, I normally go without glasses and wear a wig when I dress. I think it works pretty well andll only get better as the hormones do their work.

I wanna buy some feminine glasses honestly but I need to go get tested again and I keep putting it off

>>7446506
but you are a real person and you can be loved no matter how you look!

>>7446576
simply imagining yourself as a girl in a sexual or romantic situation isn't agp. shit like those cringy pics have too much focus on dialogue and an instantiated partner

>>7446647
how do you put on a wig if you have lots of curly hair already?

on mones you should look super hot, Im getting jelly again

>>7446636
>It's just a body, not who I am. Being a man would be who I am.
No. Man or woman is what someone's sex is. It doesn't have to define your personality. Have you really never met someone who's personality doesn't follow the expected gender roles?
>That's arbitrary.
No. That's the whole point. No straight enjoys the man on woman fantasy just because those two genders are present. The whole point of the fantasy is for the man the stick his penis somewhere in that woman. The sexual attraction to that woman is the entire point.
>What's the difference?
It changes the fantasy, Being yourself and sticking your dick in a woman is not the same as being someone else and having a dick stuck in you.
>If the only time trans women are women is in their imaginations then why would you think they aren't male in reality?
Because it's not the only time they are woman. Being trans is biological. If they are suffering from gender dysphoria then they are women 24/7 regardless of if they started physically transitioning yet.
>Gay bottoms don't want to be fucked in the pussy either.
You are proof that's not true

>>7446667
It can be tricky, but I can normally get a good result with some aggressive hair flattening and strategic bobby-pinning.
I do wanna buy a good quality wig soon, as well as try on a blonde/ redhead wig, I doubt it could ever suit me with my complexion but that doesn't stop it being a dream of mine

>>7446667
The idea of ever being called super-hot sincerely by anyone really gives me that tingly feeling (although that may be the mones (seriously my chest just won't stop, I've caught myself subconsciously rubbing it in front of my family just because it's a constant sensitive feeling))

I'm thin as a guy though so I'm scared of ending up flat after hormones, I've been eating a lot to try give my self the best shot at curviness

>>7446712
Flat chest still looks super cute. Plus then you can stay femboy mode just with better butt and hips.

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>>7446720
Even better, you can look like this

>>7446673
not that anon

>Because it's not the only time they are woman. Being trans is biological. If they are suffering from gender dysphoria then they are women 24/7 regardless of if they started physically transitioning yet.
Now you're getting weird m8

1. suffering dysphoria doesn't make you a woman
2. no evidence supports the claim that trans people have brains of the opposite sex. the evidence supports that trans people have brains with characteristics in between the two sexes

>You are proof that's not true
dumb

>>7446726
Yikes, that may get a little hard to hide over holiday times,

I know people like flat chests but breasts are like 80% of the reason I'm taking the hormones, they just make clothes fit right and lack of cleavage messes with wardrobe choices atm. I'm just a super dedicated agp crossdresser in all honesty :P

>>7446742
Boobs are harder to hide than butts. At least if your butt gets big you can just say you're fat

>>7446749

what are some of your waist to hip ratios? be4 and after hormones

>>7446749
True but I can wear hoodies, sports bras and pretend I don't like swimming anymore. Shame about never going on a family holiday though

If I ever met friends at uni that accepted this whole thing and I passed well enough, I'd love to go on holiday en femme. There's another agp trigger I hadn' t considered though:tan lines

>>7446763
I'm only 3 weeks into hormones so they haven't changed notice my yet, those pics were both pre hormones

I should really do some before measurements and pictures though, I'm getting a great camera from my sister though so I'll wait for that

>>7446763
meme ratio

>>7446798
Explain?

>>7446803
any sufficiently thin male can have a "very attractive" female whr

>>7446823
Guy butts usually are too small without hormones though. Plus the shape isn't appealing.

>>7446823
Fair, I've never really heard of the ratio being used as a descriptor before desu. I think shoulders and height would probably be the more defining measurements right

>>7446829
hence whr being a meme ratio

>>7446831
not height.
shoulder/hip ratio and underbust/hip ratio are enough

>>7446829
True, that's a big reason I'm taking them, that and less bony hips, and tits... And face. But they're the big ones

>>7446836
Idk being a thin guy with thin shoulders, my lack of any hips at all to speak of would surely mess up that ratio even when I think I can look pretty good

>>7446798
> Take hormones to look female
> Universal female beauty standard is WHR
> it's just a meme

Being this retarded

>>7446839
and in that case your shoulder/hip ratio is too large

>>7446849
>you're retarded for not falling for cosmo-tier retardation

>>7446088
>But then our orientation stops being androphile when not imagining being female.
This is not as universal as people try to present it as. I definitely experienced episodes of metattraction but I've also been attracted to men without imagining myself as a woman.

>>7446325
>>7446450
>>7446562
>>7446659
This is nonsense. AGP can be not just about the body, but also about one's behavior and social role.

>>7447126
Me too but the metaattraction happened first, so I think it's just that spreading into the rest of my thinking. But you are right, I am bi now.

>watching breakfast club
>scene where he describes to the girl her getting felt up
>i'll never experience that

;_;

>can't relate to myself as a male
>can only see myself living life/being happy/doing anything as female
>can't see myself in a relationship as a male, only as a female
>am extremely depressed because I'm not a female so I'm basically not a person since I can't do anything or be alive as a male

why couldn't i just be born normal

>>7448746
Do you intend to transition?

>>7448759
I don't know, I'm just really scared. I'm pretty sure if I don't though best case I'm going to be extremely miserable and want to kill myself and worst case I kill myself.

>>7448764
It sounds like you know what you need to do then. This is good. Many people in your position just stick their heads in the sand and hope things resolve by themselves.

It is only reasonable to be scared and I think pretty much everyone in your position feel the same. You just have to push through anyhow. What scares you, in specific? Do you have a support network? Understanding friends or relatives? A psychologist?

>>7448803
>Do you have a support network? Understanding friends or relatives? A psychologist?

I've never told anyone about it or how I feel.

I'm scared of ending up knowing that I failed and I don't pass as a girl but if I try to present as a normal guy people will be able to look at me and tell I'm a homo.

I'm also scared of people knowing, family, etc.

>>7448823
>I've never told anyone about it or how I feel.
Do you know anyone who you suspect would be supportive?

>I'm scared of ending up knowing that I failed and I don't pass as a girl but if I try to present as a normal guy people will be able to look at me and tell I'm a homo.
I think that's a common fear. All I can say is that if you don't try you will look like you are for sure, but if you do you at least have a chance to succeed and be happy. I'd try.

>I'm also scared of people knowing, family, etc.
Do you suspect that any of them would react very negatively, beyond the initial surprise?

>>7447139
This is nonsense.

Is it possibly to eventually get over being agp or do I have to go head first into hrt and accept it?

>>7449338
That's part of Blanchard's definition of the term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard's_transsexualism_typology
>Blanchard classified four subtypes of autogynephilic sexual fantasies, but noted that "All four types of autogynephilia tend to occur in combination with other types rather than alone."
>Transvestic autogynephilia: arousal to the act or fantasy of wearing typically feminine clothing
>Behavioral autogynephilia: arousal to the act or fantasy of doing something regarded as feminine
>Physiologic autogynephilia: arousal to fantasies of body functions specific to people regarded as female
>Anatomic autogynephilia: arousal to the fantasy of having a normative woman's body, or parts of one

>>7449409
All of the cases I've heard of where people got over AGP were cases where they went on HRT and lived as women for years so.. both?

>>7449432
none of those involve a normal interpersonal sexual attraction

>>7449478
You haven't read the post you called nonsense.

>>7449486
Then that post is irrelevant. I assumed it was referring to the context

>>7449506
Different people might find the exact same fantasy attractive for different reasons. That a fantasy is a "straight girl" fantasy is exactly why an AGP individual might be aroused by it - because it is a fantasy typical to straight girls.

>>7449409
you will get over it when your libido dies on HRT

no, it doesnt feel that great

>>7449520
next you're going to tell me it's AAP for a straight guy to think of hugging his gf

>>7449536
>Bailey claims AGPs are well-suited to prostitution because of their male-like libido
>Blanchard and Dreger praise his book, supporting him

>HRT kills libido and thus AGP
Which is it?
I don't think this line of reasoning is sensible since transwomen, including former AGPs, are generally otherwise sexually active. Hell, many were virgins before transitioning and only became active afterwards.

>>7449580
No, but it might be AAP for an AAP to get turned on by imagining the same sequence with him as the guy.

>>7449590
I can't see how you'd become more sexually active. Antiandrogens kill your liibdo transbian or not.

>>7449721
By and large dysphoric pre-transitioners avoid intimacy before transitioning because they despise their bodies. HRT lowers your libido, you are right, but it quite apparently does not lower it enough to prevent these people from being active. As such I find it unlikely that the only thing it completely quells is AGP.

>>7449768
It helps a lot though. Anxiety and depression can sometimes make people seek out weird porn and fetish addictions and the HRT will help kind of balance you out.

>>7449409
>>7449438
you could just keep experiencing it and enjoying it without transition or losing it.

>>7449536
not always true.

If you get aroused by thoughts of getting on estrogens more than by porn, does that mean that you shouldn't do it since its just a fetish?

>>7450434
Would kind of be a plus I'd think lol
I mean, not many people can get aroused at the thought of pharmaceuticals.

Though your boners will be killed by HRT. You can still pseudo-fap but I'd imagine the impotency would kill your pharmaceutical fetish.

>>7450509
It's not pharmaceutical, it's feminization fetish of course. I hope I could be happier on female hormones too.

>>7450622
You might be happier. Really depends. Personally I've definitely noticed an uplift in mood even though I still feel like shit about the rest of my life lol

>>7442871
Is there anything wrong with wanting to be a bimboi really badly? I keep trying to just be a good transgirl but I keep having these recurring fantasies. Deep down I really want to turn myself into something overly feminine and desperate. I want to throw myself into a man's arms and let him know I lowered myself this much out of devotion and need for him.

How fucked up is that

>>7450757
>desperate

>>7448866
>Do you suspect that any of them would react very negatively, beyond the initial surprise?

I really don't know. My dad probably would, my grandmother is very christian but she's never been hateful about anything. Her sister that lives across the country has a gay sonand she just says stuff like "I hope he's not doing things with other men".

Not the guy who asked but I get aroused by starting HRT and becoming a girl too so

>>7450509
Be a plus for what? Reasons to get on it?

Are you saying man should live by the impulses of their sexual desires? Do we revert to hedonism, or focus on what we know and the world around us?

>>7450645
I feel like starting HRT would be surrendering myself to sexual desires despite those sexual desires not being something I truly want because my sexual desires are different when not aroused

>>7449580
>next you're going to tell me it's AAP for a straight guy to think of hugging his gf
If he gets off to the thought of his male body as he's hugging his gf with it, then yes. But he doesn't and cis girls don't do the reverse.

>>7451166
Going on hormones isn't the end of the world. It really depends what you're willing to live with. Yeah you'll become sterile most likely, and you may get boobs and have permanent gyno if you're on it long enough than decide to quit. But the effects largely get reversed and a lot of times even the gyno goes away. It's nothing that normal cis men haven't dealt with themselves though.

I think you're playing up hormones too much. They won't completely ruin your life. If you think you might get some benefit out of it then try them. Getting aroused at the thought of transitioning doesn't make you a bad person and it doesn't necessarily mean you're not suitable to be on hormones.

>>7451213
I think why I haven't acted or decided anything for myself is because I don't want to lose options. I don't like the idea of losing sperm but I don't want to sperm bank or come out to anyone about my confusion or I just hate AGP

I just want to be happier as a guy

>>7451323
As far as I'm aware a sperm bank can only store sperm for 10 years anyway.
Just adopt if you want kids. I don't know why people are so obsessed with having their own biological kids.

>>7451334
Genetics and human instinct

I don't want to lose the option to have kids. I don't want to lose my chances to be a girl. I don't want to be a girl. I just want to be me.

>>7450434
Is it just a fetish, though? Do you experience no dysphoria at all?

>>7452139
>dysphoria
In general sense that I hate myself if that counts.

>>7452392
You can hate yourself for plenty of reasons though.
How do you feel about your body? Why do you feel that way?

I was out shopping, looking at shoes. I was in flip flops so I needed some socks before I could try the shoes on and my sister handed me a pair of girls socks just to see if the shoes fit, but I started to get an erection instinctively when I put them on. Fortunately I was wearing boxer briefs and jeans otherwise I would've been more worried keeping it down but what the hell, how am I supposed to stop this from happening again? I don't cross dress or anything, I stopped looking at porn and fapping too so that it doesn't get worse, but go figure I fapped in the shower for the first time in a while hours earlier. I wanted to fap to a normal straight fantasy but I ended up fingering myself while in position as if I were a girl riding a cock.

If I were gay it would be easier on my mind but the nature of these gay feelings is questionable. I thought I was a typical virgin porn addict whose viewing habits escalated from normal solo girl scenes to increasingly homosexual stuff only out of the necessity to find something "new" to get off to. But now that I've quit porn for a while and the feelings remain I don't know what to think. I've had dreams at night that have been straight, gay, bisexual, transsexual and transgender, which doesn't help, and as a virgin I have no real experience but I used to only check out girls and now I check out both.

And fwiw I noticed even though I always used to try to be more masculine, I've always been pretty gender nonconfoming. It used to really bother me that people thought I looked gay, I was also bullied for it and people tell me I look like a girl so I think all these things in the end contributed to my current feelings, but the agp stuff actually goes back as long as I can remember. I mean I was into normal boy things like toy cars and trucks and blocks and sports and video games but I remember getting erections at weird times even as a child and when puberty began cross dressing was a natural urge that I eventually repressed.

>>7452691
How can you tell if its depression, or BDD, or you cant stand your face cause you are not fem and not beautiful?
And its not like I unconditionally love female bodies, they can be disgusting too, with terrible proportions, fat and saggy skin. I'd hate to look like that,

>>7453412
You probably have a feminized brain. Which of the fingers on you right hand is longer, index or ring one?

>Trying to fap less, almost at a week now with 2 fap sessions a day
>AGP thoughts have not lessened, despite fapping less my arousal rate is the same
Why is this so hard

>>7453412
the arousal will go away eventually if you wear girl clothes regularly and it becomes a normal thing

>>7453630
if you are feeling depressed and disliking your body and you aren't really sure why but you also want to be fem that sounds very likely trans to me.

>>7454131
>the arousal will go away eventually if you wear girl clothes regularly and it becomes a normal thing
But seeing as I only get off to the thought of being a girl, what will happen to my sexuality then?

>>7454185
it will just be a normal girl's sexuality

>>7454215
Not sure if I'd prefer that honestly.

>>7454219
well I was just speaking in like general terms, obviously some random person on the internet cannot tell you what your personal sexuality will be like.
what I was kind of trying to say is that your sexuality will probably stay mostly the same but if you change your life and do more feminine things in your normal casual life you won't be aroused by thinking of yourself as girl you would be able to be aroused just by being yourself in sexual situations.
sorry if none of that made sense I'm not really good at explaining my thoughts.

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>>7454131
I mean I fail the 'trans test'
>would you want to be a 100% passable (or cis) but unattractive female rather than a fine man

Btw have you seen a de-transition thread where a guy had ffs and boobs then un-did it all down to getting manjaw implants and masc hairline surgery?

Can it be confusion of BDD for trans feels cause we all see females as the pinnactle of desired beauty in our society and get jealous of pretty girls.

>>7454690
well pretty much everybody wants to be attractive if they can
and unattractive girls have it worse than unattractive guys
imo that doesn't make you not trans

yes I did skim through that thread before but didn't that guy detrans because they couldn't pass as female?

I guess it could be just bdd but if you have bdd and hate your body and want it to be more like the opposite sex that isn't really that different from being trans.

Sometimes I wonder if my "SJW" politics are as a penance for my transness/agpness. Ultimately I feel like I am (personally) bad for women's rights. In this position, the only thing I can do to mitigate some of my "nature" by being the strongest advocate for women's rights I can be, maybe I can mitigate some of the damage I'm causing.

I know I'm being dramatic, and I think I'm slightly exaggerating to make the point, still :/

>>7454690
I did and that thread isn't there anymore, which is surprising because I guess they delete anything that goes against the narrative

>>7442871
This literally doesn't exist outside of the Internet.

>>7456067
wtf i hate agp now!!

>>7455973
it was probably posted by caraposter so it got deleted when mods started banning all his posts

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>>7455602
I agree with most of the 'sjw' stuff people cry about online but you also have to acknowledge capitalism and economic privilege which it seems most liberal 'sjw' fail to do.

why do you feel you are bad for women's rights?

>Mind doesn't want to be a woman
>Body does from sexual impulses

>>7455602
>sjw politics
not even once

>>7456763

yeah, because social justice is such a horrible thing

>>7456812
>SJWs
>"""""""""""""""""""social justice""""""""""""""""""""
pick one

>>7457018

well then why call them that?

>>7457048
Why do we call the USA Freedom Act the Freedom Act?

>>7453630
You can start by trying. What do you think? How do you feel? Why do you think that you feel that way? What are the various explanations that make sense to you? If you could have your ideal male body or an ideal female one which would you prefer?

>>7456724
hes a transphobic retard who bought into TERF nonsense

>>7456724
>>7458336

I mean I've sort of bought into the TERF stuff. the notion of gender is harmful to women, and trans people perpetuate it. You can't find a cogent definition of gender that doesn't directly invoke stereotypes

>>7458379
1. Women, by sheer volume, do far more in perpetuating the notion of gender. Once you get the majority to reject it then we'll talk about transsexuals.
2. Transsexuality and dysphoria stem from biological realities, not culture or social constructs. Being uncomfortable in one's body due to being miswired. The rest is socially conditioned gender stuff, which affects transsexuals as much as it affects everyone else. They're told people with the bodies of women must behave in a certain way and buy into it just as women do.

In a post-gender world there would still be transsexuals in the sense that there would still be people who take hormones and try to make thier bodies more like that of their non-natal sex because they feel ill otherwise.

>>7458379
>>7458439
Please make a separate thread if you want to discuss feminism, especially highly insulting transphobic part of it.
(Im sure you will get lots of replies and save this one from a flamewar)

>>7458492
Fair enough. I just don't like letting people get away with saying things like that.

>>7458505
I'd rather convince you to not want to die! What can I do for you, ma'am?

>See trans friend celebrating her first christmas as a girl
>When aroused I'm extremely jealous of her

I don't understand this fetish. I wish I didn't have this fetish.

>>7457547
Not him, but

I think I am depressed and lack real company, and one of my sources of comfort is masturbation, which I only masturbate to you guessed it thoughts of transitioning into and being a girl. I don't really like it and the feelings it tries to bring into my normal life. It feels like because there isn't much in my life, my fetish tries to invade it and make my life about it. Which I suppose is the explanation I feel like I have.

In all of these button scenarios, the ideal button I would press is "My ideal male body and be happy living as a male". While I don't mind female, I just don't feel it isn't me. I hate that it wants me to change my entire life to accommodate it, when I don't want to spend all that money on transitions and surgeries, on clothes, practicing make-up and voice, I don't want all that. I just want to be happy as me without feeling these things I feel when I am aroused or around transgirls or even girls sometimes. I hate my life and it's all because of this abomination of a fetish that has transformed into something not satisfied with its role as a fetish and wants to consume me as a whole and it makes me want to die.

I'm pretty sure I'm just writing this because it turns me on more than out of any desire for advice or to help others, but I don't know. It's kind of a blog too.

Despite having experienced arousal at seeing my own body becoming more feminine before, I can't really recall experiencing anything I'd consider outright autoeroticism until now. I've been on HRT for a while, and recently I took a picture of my exposed chest with my shirt pulled up (the first time I'd done anything like that), kind of posing, and the way I was thinking about it wasn't just arousal at the knowledge or idea of my femininity, nor even just arousal over myself, but an actual desire to fuck myself and pretty visceral fantasies of it. I wanted so badly to lick my tummy and suck on my cute little breasts while I gently stroke my pussy (which I don't even have) before slipping my fingers in deeper and feeling myself clench around them, and I want to feel all of that happen to me. I want to moan and squirm and cum and cuddle in the afterglow (with myself?) after my mind has been washed away in pleasure. I want to be coveted. I just felt so fucking cute, and sexy, and fuckable, and it made me happy to feel that way, and just to be able to feel that way. Regardless of the sexual overtones I wasn't dysphoric over my body like normal; in fact I liked it. In that picture at least I didn't look particularly masculine, and you wouldn't have been able to ascertain my ability to pass from it anyway.

So I guess I'm falling deeper into AGP as I transition. It's already intensified a little bit since transitioning but this was really defined and intense. I'm not passable so I wonder what will happen if I ever start seeing a girl in the mirror and genuinely being perceived that way by others; maybe there's a threshold where this will all become naturalised and I'll stop being aroused (with it escalating up to that point), or maybe it'll just peak there. I don't even know which one I'd prefer.

>>7458815
Thanks for making want to get on mones even more.

>>7458610
Same advice as usual, Anon: go see a therapist.
Same note as usual, Anon: people who are just fetishists generally don't go insane over not living out their fetish nor do they compulsively masturbate in order to keep it at bay.

>>7459086
>go see a therapist.
no qualified therapists in the area
>lol you are just a fetishist go fuck yourself, next!

>nor do they compulsively masturbate in order to keep it at bay.
Im pretty sure that fits perfectly into being a fetishist and if you mention that you get turned on by feminization any old-shcool minded therapist with give you fetishism diagnosis

>>7459086
therapists are 100% useless

>>7459166
>no qualified therapists in the area
Sorry to hear that. I've heard that some therapists work online, but I don't know whether they are any good.

>Im pretty sure that fits perfectly into being a fetishist
I have plenty of fetishes. I don't compuslively masturbate to them in order to not think about them because thinking about them makes me feel bad. There's a difference between just masturbating too much and doing so in order to avoid certain thoughts.

>if you mention that you get turned on by feminization any old-shcool minded therapist with give you fetishism diagnosis
If they haven't opened a book in the last 30 years. Mind, it will be part of the diagnosis either way, but not its entirety.

>>7459206
Not all of them, and not for everyone. Therapy helps a lot of people, especially those in denial.

>>7459166
you could try here idk if it is any good though I've never used it

https://www.7cups.com/

>>7459206
Therapists are useless I guess if you are expecting them to magically solve all your problems for you

They are actually really useful as a person you can talk with confidentially and help explore your thoughts and feelings

>>7459258
Not everyone lives in progressiveland, Transvestic fetishism is still an official diagnosis separated from Gender identity disorders in many countries.

>>7458815
>and the way I was thinking about it wasn't just arousal at the knowledge or idea of my femininity, nor even just arousal over myself, but an actual desire to fuck myself and pretty visceral fantasies of it. I wanted so badly to lick my tummy and suck on my cute little breasts while I gently stroke my pussy (which I don't even have) before slipping my fingers in deeper and feeling myself clench around them, and I want to feel all of that happen to me. I want to moan and squirm and cum and cuddle in the afterglow (with myself?) after my mind has been washed away in pleasure. I want to be coveted. I just felt so fucking cute, and sexy, and fuckable, and it made me happy to feel that way, and just to be able to feel that way. Regardless of the sexual overtones I wasn't dysphoric over my body like normal; in fact I liked it.
AGP combined with hetero male sex fantasy. I get that too. I want to be a hot chick with a hot girlfriend to touch each others body and a boyfriend to get to be totally feminine and submissive with.

>>7459338
only where they use ICD right?

>>7459344
>biscum proving to be sluts as always

coudnt resist

>>7459449
wew

It's kind of true honestly, for me at least.

>>7459305
Thanks I'll try it. At least some one will tolerate my rambling.

I want to put this out of my chest and maybe talk about it with fellows. I am a very dominant guy, both in bed and outside. However my AGP so strong that I think I would be happy in a relationship with another man as a man just because I would be his woman in bed. I am not even attracted to men in general and I feel like a normal heterosexual guy. Just the idea of me in a feminine position, being protected by his arms, laying on my side in kneesocks, panties on my knees as I am deeply penetrated and kissed on the neck like his tender girl that is submitting to him and sating his aggresive desires. I want to have a female body (I am still fine being a man) but I feel the urge of being in a role of female during sex is just enough to accept a relationship with a man even though I lack the attraction to men.

I remember putting on panties and kneesocks one day. When I looked to the mirror and saw my butt my heart jumped into stratosphere and I got some major shivers from the excitement, from the thought of being in a feminine role and that was when I knew.

Am I gay? Since I want to have sex with men I'd assume I am. However I am confused since I want to have sex with men for different reasons than with women and I am not really sure if I should try to explore my bicurious side. The desire to please a dominant man as a woman is very strong though.

>>7459086
I still really don't want to spend the money on a therapist...I just want to be happy as me why can't I be happy as me why do I deal with all this pain and shit I hate my life I want to die I don't want to be a girl I just want to be me

fuck just let me die

Friendly reminder that you're all disgusting misogynists and should kill yourselves.

>>7459602
Idk if it is true for you but for me I used to think that I wasn't actually attracted to men but it turns out I'm just not attracted to most of the men in porn or like those model magazines

Also cis women sometimes say things like they don't care about a guy's looks it's about emotional attraction.

So I guess what I am trying to say is attraction can be complicated and hard to understand so don't stress too much.

Also wanting to have a female body but not really caring about your social role or whatever can still mean you are a tranny. Not everyone is the same and if you think transitioning or partially transitioning would improve your life you should at least think about it.

>>7459602
>Am I gay? Since I want to have sex with men I'd assume I am.
Eh it's sorta bi but not the same as regular bi. Here in /agpg/ we call it meta attraction.

>>7459602

The fact you see it as the woman's role to lay there and get fucked is pretty misogynist. most women do not even orgasm from piv.

men were a mistake.

>>7459719
>not being a misogynist anti-feminist
>not knowing men and better and dating one because of that
>not appropriating their pretty looks for your superior self
>not embracing your place as a better girlfriend than any cis girl

>>7459695
Thanks for the response. This actually the first time I am talking about this with other person.

I don't think I am a trans. I care about my social role. I am a man and I feel like one. I am assertive, dominant, I like my masculine body, I am 6'5 tall and I have a very submissive female partner other men lust for, so I am kind of in that alpha male mood.

>>7459712
Meta attraction sounds like a different concept altogether even though I never heard about it. I like kissing with women but I can't imagine kissing with a man, I don't know but the face is just not appealing. Everything else is a different story, but it's an inner feeling, not the outwards one I experience with women. My vocabulary, especially with english as a secondary language I can't express myself better.

>>7459719
Women I've been with and the experiences I shared with my male friends, as well as statistical data suggests that women have strong preference towards submission in sex. I am fine if another woman wants to ride a man to insanity and is pleased that way, the woman I am in my head is submissive. There is nothing wrong in that and you are just being unreasonably hateful and not really helpful.

Also I don't understand what female orgasm has to do with this at all

>>7459753
Meta attraction is the attraction to men as part of the AGP fantasy, being a woman and typically being submissive, rather than the normal sexual attraction to men gay men or straight women have.

>>7459753
that poster is just some insane sjw, pay it no mind

>>7459602
Could you be my dom mistress?

And yeah its quite common to want a man mostly cause you want to be a woman in sex to validate your femineity (there is some talk about it in earlier posts)
I cant stop fantasizing about it too while not really interested in 'normal gay' sex (haha Im not entirely sure anymore)

>>7459719
TERF retard please leave

>>7459765
Tbh I agree with them there is tons of casual misogyny online and especially on 4chan, this thread is no different but the way I see it is probably more productive to help the people here sort through their gender/sex issues before you try to explain why what they see as perfectly normal is sexist.

>>7459737
kys

>>7459675
I'm sorry. You've been dealt a bad hand but you must make the best of it. Please don't give up. You have to pull yourself out of this mess and sometimes that means finding someone who can help you.

You've been coming here for a long time now, and things have not gotten better. Surely you can see the sense in trying something different?

>>7459755
So would a gay relationship like that work? Are AGP men with meta attraction happy like gay men just for different reasons? I feel the urge of me pleasing a dominant male in bed just the way he wants is so strong that would be the case with me but I don't know because it sounds so different to the standard concept of homosexual couples.

I suppose a gay top would be okay with me being his girl in bed (just in bed, not outside). That's what submissive bottoms do after all, no difference right?

>>7459781
I don't know but I'd like to try it too.

Some gay guys don't like feminine behavior, so I'd need to find one who did and basically treated me as a girl but male, not as a fellow guy.

>>7459779
how about helping my gender/sex issues before telling me to an hero?

>>7459800
the person saying that isn't me

>>7459808
?

both parts of >>7459779 were you.

>>7459719
In case some of you are not versed in TERF talk that person just said most women don't even orgasm when a man fucks them using his penis to penetrate their vagina.

>>7459779
There's a difference between being a feminist and a hateful radical.

>>7458439
Important to add to point 1 that as well as being the ones who perpetuate it, they are the ones who benefit from it.

>>7459815
Yes, the one is a subset of the other.

>>7459780
How were you able to tell it was me anyways?

I want to believe I can conquer anything but I can't even conquer these stupid emotions. I just don't want to be a girl. It's a fun fantasy but it doesn't feel me but it keeps trying to consume me and I keep getting jealous of transgirls and it just hurts and hurts endlessly fuck why couldn't I just change what I was born as so I could see what I wanted this hurts so much fuck everything fuck life goddamn it

>>7459779
kys retard

>>7459828
>why couldn't I just change what I was born as so I could see what I wanted
For all you know you'd have been an FTM anyway.

>>7459778
Only if you'd sometimes tenderly kiss my ear and just whisper simple

>I will never let you be a girl of another man

during the deep sensual thrusts. Oh wow, I just got massive shivers. You'd need to accept four things though. I am very tall, my hips are wide, I'd wear knee socks and panties all day and I would be completely and only yours in bed.

>>7459823
>Important to add to point 1 that as well as being the ones who perpetuate it, they are the ones who benefit from it.
I wrote that post. If you think women do not face oppression, even in the west, then I don't know what to tell you. Gender roles hurt everyone but women are generally hurt by them far more than men are.

>>7459823
Feminism is a major, noble civil rights movement.
Radical feminism is the subversion of that movement toward supremacism.

>>7459843
>Gender roles hurt everyone but women are generally hurt by them far more than men are.
How on earth did you figure this?

I don't know why you think "real" feminism is some wonderful force for good either. It's like Islam and radical Islam.

>>7459838
So never happy with anything because I don't allow myself to feel happy and I dont feel comfortable as a man but despite my jealousy of MtFs and their transitions I don't want to be a girl but want to be a girl and I don't know I'm losing it inside I just want to die inside and out let me be dead please life is suffering I don't want it anymore I don't want to be trans or live as a girl and I don' want to just be a guy forever I don't want to lose any options and I feel strangled I am getting older and older and it hurts more and more as each day passes I want HRT but I don't I want children but I don't I want to live by I don't why can't I make up my mind about anything I just type what I think and fuck fuck fuck fuck all this goddamn it just

you ever get stuck int houghts and just dwindle and unable to distract yourself and feel hurt and are happy for what you lived but wish you came out years ago but at the same time wish the trans thoughts would just go away because I really really just want them to go away fuck everything

>>7459857
Sometimes I feel pretty sad I didn't come out and transition years ago.

>>7459857
I know exactly how you feel anon. I'm starting HRT soon. I feel way scared about coming out as trans, and I don't know how to handle public ally transitioning. And yea I wish I could just switch back and forth sometimes.

But I really thought about it and I realized that I'm more comfortable presenting as female, i feel more comfortable in those clothes and I pretty much always long to look like and be a woman. So I figure I need to transition. I'd much rather present as a girl and sometimes go boymode than be stuck as a gross guy.

>>7459857
Also don't wait. I've been repressing this for years and all I wish is that I had let myself accept this years ago so I could start my transition sooner.

>>7459828
>How were you able to tell it was me anyways?
I pay attention to the way people write. The major clue, though, was you describing how you felt your "fetish" was a part distinct from yourself trying to take over your life.

>I want to believe I can conquer anything but I can't even conquer these stupid emotions. I just don't want to be a girl. It's a fun fantasy but it doesn't feel me but it keeps trying to consume me and I keep getting jealous of transgirls and it just hurts and hurts endlessly fuck why couldn't I just change what I was born as so I could see what I wanted this hurts so much fuck everything fuck life goddamn it
I'll be honest here: I did my best and I don't know how to help you. I'm sorry that you have to go through this and I'm sorry I can't offer a simple solution. My gut tells me, now as it did months ago, that if it was naught but a sexual desire it would not cause you this much distress. I can't pretend to understand you though. Only you know how you truly feel, and you insist things are otherwise. Perhaps I'm wrong, and perhaps you are repressing.

I can tell you a few things for sure: One, that what you are doing now isn't helping you to get better. Two, that getting outside help is probably the only way you'll get better. You are ill and need help. Help I clearly can't offer you, nor do I think anyone in this thread can offer you. This is why I've been trying to push you to see a therapist. If you don't get help I'm afraid that you'll just feel worse and worse.

I understand that for some people it is not as simple as deciding to see someone though. Money, time, stigma..the costs are non-trivial for certain people. Finding a good therapist is even harder! I just don't see any other way forward. This is something you have to do. I know that everything hurts and you just want to curl up but you can't. You have to take action to help yourself. Please don't give up. I believe you can be happy. Please seek help.

>>7459813
oh sorry I forgot about that part of the post and thought you were talking about the other person lol

I don't actually want you to kill yourself I just use kys as a way to call someone stupid or something I guess. So sorry about that it was a dumb choice of words but I still disagree with what you said.

I do try to help people here and I don't bring up feminism or political stuff unless other people are already talking about it.

>>7459890
>i feel more comfortable in those clothes and I pretty much always long to look like and be a woman.
Different anon, I feel like this too, but I'm not going to pass, so repression ho!

>>7459900
>but I still disagree with what you said.
Yeah I guessed.

>I just use kys as a way to call someone stupid or something I guess.
>I don't bring up feminism or political stuff unless other people are already talking about it.
Maybe being unable to argue against people who disagree with you is part of the reason you folk get seen as biased and illogical.

>>7459901
Don't repress. It just hurts you.

>>7459828
Maybe you'd be less conflicted and distressed if you accepted yourself as you are instead of fighting and trying to repress. And from there work on improving your life and figuring what you really want.
At least accepting myself helped me, though I still dont know what to do. How I feel often changes.
I'm still not sure about mones, and Im afraid estrogen will mess with my mind too much and I have no chance to transition.

t. the other confused person

>>7459909
But I don't want to be a hon.

>>7459913
How old are you? Just start HRT as soon as you can at the very least, take some AA and it should clear your mind a little. You can do it.

>>7459918
Too old. Repression time. AA won't help my mind.

>>7459854
>How on earth did you figure this?
By seeing women constantly being oppressed all around me. Religious and conservative folks keep them subservient, they face harassment - workplace and otherwise - when they go into fields that are not considered to be women's work, they are afforded less respect by society, they are coddled like children, they are thought of as emotional and irrational, and the media bombards them with the idea that all of the above is not only perfectly fine but is as it ought be from birth to death. A fair amount of them get sexually assaulted during their lifetime by virtue of being female.

Men are treated as disposable, are not allowed to show emotion, and are more likely to be the target of violent crime. I think they are definitely ahead as society allows them to earn their worth. A woman is seen as having innate value, but primarily as a man's trophy.

>I don't know why you think "real" feminism is some wonderful force for good either. It's like Islam and radical Islam.
Non-radical feminism is what brought women from being essentially non-citizens to citizens with (theoretically) equal rights in the west. Just as the struggle of the black man did not end when he got the same rights as everyone else neither did that of women. The law might be on your side but the way people think and act could still be oppressive. This is the problem we face and have been facing for the last few decades and I think doing so is definitely Good.

>>7459936
I'd trade getting men's lot in life for women's in a second.

>>7459900
>I do try to help people here and I don't bring up feminism or political stuff unless other people are already talking about it.
I just bring it up anyway haha. You can do both, if you do it well.

>>7459941
Might have something to do with you wanting to be one though, and less with what said lot entails other than being a woman..

>>7459955
Or vice versa.

>>7459949
no you dont, make another thread for this crap if you are so bent on discussing it instead of insulting people here

>>7459907
arguing on the internet is usually just people screaming "no you're wrong!!" at each other until they get bored. I realise I am part of that problem though.

>>7459949
yeah I read or think things though and then I have a really difficult time actually expressing myself in words so I usually just stay quiet.

>>7459936
>>7459949
>>7459965
Go make the "AGP vs Feminism" thread you evidently want.

>>7459956
If you'd like to be a woman just because you think they have it better then I think you either value things very very differently from the vast majority of humans or - and I find this more likely - you are ignorant of the actual realities women face.

>>7459970
>you either value things very very differently from the vast majority of humans
Women are humans.

>you are ignorant of the actual realities women face.
Or you overestimate them and neglect to see misandry.

>>7459963
I'm not the TERF. I haven't insulted anyone.

>>7459911
I don't repress though, I acknowledge my feminine desires and urges. Not publicly, but I accept that I have them and the thoughts that come with.

I am almost 25 and I feel like if I were to do this I would have and should have come out 3 years ago when the confusion first hit me

>>7459977
Don't fall prey to the sunk cost fallacy.

>>7459977
still too young, wait till 35 ^)

>>7459982
I am not it's just my whole life hurts and all I do in it is hate myself and right now I hate myself for these issues

>>7459996
that scares me. I don't want to be 35 and still unsure. Also being 35 and SURPRISE I'M TRANS

>>7442871
> AGP is very real to the people who experience it.
> Ghosts are very real to the people who experience them.
> Past lives are very real to the people who experience them
> Sexual harassment is very real to the people who experience it
> Flat Earth is very real to the people who experience it
> God is very real to the people who experience it
> Hallucinations are very real to the people who experience them

Kill yourself.

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If going fulltime and wearing female clothes on a daily basis lowers your agp and just makes it all mundane, will it help if I dress as female all the time at home?

>>7460144
It might but with that there is an issue of having to keep it secret and stressing about that.

I would say though if you think it could help you should try it.

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>>7460006
You know why hons exist - they are not sure too, until it's too late and they cant bear it anymore and have to transition in late 30s if not in 40s

You hate yourself and getting very anxious the most for not doing anything and knowing you are wasting time.

>>7460215
>>7460006
this is basically the thing that drove me over the edge. ending up 35 and having never gotten over it would be so fucking terrible, so much more terrible than at 25... even though that's still really fucking terrible. i hate myself so much already and i didn't really have much to lose.
although i don't even know if i'll make it to 35 anyway so maybe i made the wrong choice

>>7460160
I live alone so it's no problem keeping it secret. And I'm already stressing enough about having it and not being able to tell anyone, nothing to lose.
Might feel worse about having to put on manly look when going out and as a downside.

>>7460245
Have you ever talked to a therapist or anything like that? They are good for stuff like this because they need to maintain patient confidentiality so it's not like anyone else would find out. Personally I also found forcing myself to talk with someone irl about gender issues / agp made it less stressful.

>>7460144
Are you on hormones? That would probably help with your mental issues more than just dressing as a girl.

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>>7460087
One of these things is not like the others

>>7460482
best to just not respond to obvious baits like that

I did think it was kind of funny but still stupid and doesn't really warrant a response.

>>7460491
My bad, I just love that pic

>>7460144
I'm pretty sure the whole reason living as a woman helps, hormones aside, is that you normalize the whole thing rather than hide it. As long as it is a shameful secret it will be a problem.

>>7460215
>You know why hons exist - they are not sure too, until it's too late and they cant bear it anymore and have to transition in late 30s if not in 40s
What about the people who aren't sure and stay not sure instead of can't bearing it any more?

>>7460244
>ending up 35 and having never gotten over it would be so fucking terrible, so much more terrible than at 25...
How would it be so much worse? It's not like T hasn't already done its thing at 25.

>>7460446
No gender therapy here and Im distrustful and skeptical of therapy overall, I've been to therapy for depression related issues when I dropped out and it was a waste of time talking about nothing.

>see an attractive woman
>don't know what I want more; to be with her or to be her

JDIMSA

>>7461526
It's terrible I dont know what else to say, everything seems pointless and death looks like a comforting relief. Maybe some feelings are not as strong as when you are younger, dull sadness instead of that anxious uncertainty that blends with sexual excitment.

>How would it be so much worse? It's not like T hasn't already done its thing at 25.
It's only getting worse steadily every year. I dont look like some hopelessly mask reddit hons (sorry) but the changes are obvious and they are bad.

>>7460087
Ok true point but why single out AGP? This all equally applies to trans and indeed sexuality in general.

>Felt more or less fine for a month or so
>Dysphoria hit me like a truck today
Why does it come and go like that, for little to no reason? Sometimes I feel like I could live as I am and wonder why I ever obsessed over my gender and other times it just hurts to the point where I don't want to do anything at all. I don't really know where I'm going with this. Just venting I guess.

>>7461807
I experienced that very same feeling yesterday, but
>wanting to die in your sleep
>Not wanting the world to end so no one would have to suffer your death and all of us could achieve salvation as well as die as men
Come the fuck on man, I pray for it all to end every day. We're overdue for an impact event anyways.

>>7462037
I've been in hit like a truck mode since august. I just want them all to go away. I know who I am, I want to be that person, not something some corner in the back of my mind wants me to be.

>tfw you write an enormous response to someone and they ignore you

>>7462455
Was it >>7459898
because I will respond soon I am just busy suffering

>>7461807
>see a pretty girl showing off her boobs with a smug face on
I don't even feel attraction, only bitter envy.
Day ruined.

>>7462037
>Why does it come and go like that, for little to no reason?
Maybe hormones? Or whatever chemicals affect that part of our brains.
I already wish I was trans for real instead of this uncertainty and recurring desires.

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HSTS tranny here

What is it about being a woman that is arousing? Is it because you are just really excited that you can get straight guys now? It just doesn't compute for me why you guys do what you do.

>>7462833
There's not really a reason for it; it just happens, like with many other fetishes. You can come up with post-hoc justifications but the arousal comes first and exists regardless of them. And most of the AGPs who transition do it because they have gender dysphoria. There may be arousal alongside it, which can muddy the feelings somewhat, but it's still there no different to in any other transsexual.

>>7462833
>wanting straight guys
Most agp mtf are lesbian or bisexual.

>>7462925
this

>>7461526
Why not just wait until 45 then too?

There's a poster, or a few posters here that are really a beacon of light in this negative website, I really appreciate that :)

Happy Christmas

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>christmas dinner
>dad works at jail
>he's talking about how he has a "man with tits" in the jail and it's annoying because "he" has to have special treatment
>has to be given "non essential medicine" (hormones)
>is making fun of them and everyone else joins in
>pretend to laugh
>dying on the inside


haha there goes any confidence I had about ordering HRT guess i'll just shoot myself in a few months like I planned to

>>7462833
>What is it about being a woman that is arousing?
It's weird to describe because it's basically the same feeling as being a hetero male and wanting to fuck a girl, except instead of imaging fucking a hot chick, it's being the hot chick getting fucked. I can go into detail, but that's literally what it's like for me.

It's not hot for a reason, it's just inherently hot the way having sex is for a het guy.

>Is it because you are just really excited that you can get straight guys now?
No, not at all. I only want guys because of the AGP.

>>7464047
You could try talking with your parents again bringing up that topic to change their view on trans maybe trying to explain them what it is so they would feel some compassion instead of laughing at some comical dehumanizing image of 'man with tits'.

Also you can still take mones in secret, there are no drastic changes in first months. And plan to move out and live your life for yourself instead of being so dependent on parents and their opinion of you (Ive been there too and ended living like neighbors who dislike eachother enough to never have dinner together). Its your life and your future.

>>7461526
big puberty changes are mostly done by mid 20s but puberty isn't really truly over until early 30s. like look at the difference between beards and chest/back hair of a mid 20 year old and a 30 year old. that stuff keeps developing and getting thicker. there is also balding and just general aging as a man so yeah the 10 years does make a difference.

>>7464206
I don't want thicker facial hair or more body hair, but whether I can pass or not (shoulders, face, etc) is already done, so is keeping the male hair from increasing really worth committing to taking hormones forever?

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>>7464213
yes, if you are dysphoric now it will only increase and you will cry over the lost years

and whats your other option? time to pull that lever

>>7464213
That's your personal decision I guess. If it's making you miserable you should maybe try a few months of hrt, there usually aren't any permanent changes before 6 months so you would have lots of time to decide.

>>7464047
Sorry to hear that. Don't let this hold you back though. You belong to yourself, not to your father. You owe it to yourself to try and make life work out for you.

>>7464101
>I can go into detail,
Please do. This is interesting. So being a girl is the same exact feeling as having sex with a really attractive girl?

Are you actually trying to be your own gf?

>>7462833
>Is it because you are just really excited that you can get straight guys now?
damn yo, how self-absorbed can you be?

>>7446088
>aroused by having sex

>>7465798
How is that self absorbed?

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I didn't know these threads existed on this board, I was just stopping by. I'm kinda bi I guess and i've been with men and women a lot over the years but i've never really took part in any significant way in the LGBT community with others like me. And I think it's because this thread is me exactly.

I want to be a girl so badly and not many men and women understand that and I don't know any trans people. I've tried to meet bi guys and bring it up but they never are into it and think it's weird.

I've wanted to be a girl badly since I was like fifteen. I used to fantasize about it all the time. I had a life all sorted out in my head, a name etc.

Had a dream a while back I was washing my face in the bathroom in front of the mirror. I was drying my face and when I looked up at myself in the mirror I was a beautiful Asian girl. I felt so happy, like insanely joyous and happy. I wanted to cry. Then I woke up back in my disgusting white male body.

I don't exactly hate being male (or white, I love white people.) and having a dick feels great but, it's just really hard to explain this deep deep desire. If I could press a button and change permanently I would.

>>7465875
Why are you not transitioning?

>>7465909
I don't have the money or the autonomy. I live as a guy and most people and my family think i'm straight.

I have thought of it, more and more the last couple of years. I just don't know if I have the guts to ever fully go through with it.

Have been lurking for a while in the /agpg/ threads - I've been AGP since my very first fap (Never been able to imagine myself as a guy sexually), and based on a few times in my life where I've been down and had fairly strong gender dysphoria for short periods, however I do not wish to transition because I'm comfortable as a guy physically (My dysphoria comes from social interactions, mainly - which is quite interesting to me).

I don't really need to "be" a girl, I just need to be "treated" like one, and I also believe I'm not full trans* or anything - so I tend to just be a girl online and am fairly comfortable when doing so - however it does bother me that I have this issue and I'm often forced to repress it because it feels like I'm just being fake as a person - but that brings the dysphoria back -

It's basically a double life (being a girl online, being a guy in real life), and I honestly don't mind it apart from feeling fake (The female side feels fake, as I essentially have to mislead people into thinking I'm a girl when I'm not, I'm just AGP + minor social dysphoria)

I'm obviously somewhat trans, but I'm not sure what to do - and I also have the obvious fear that it will get worse over time, but it's only gotten better the more I express "her" as such.

Anyone with advice on this? My gender confuses the shit out of me.

>>7465945
I once felt a lot like you and hoped it would all go away. It didn't and I missed my chance. I don't know if you should or should't do it, but I think that you should make the effort to figure this out now so that you at least come to a conscious decision. You have more options than you think you do. In all likelihood, whatever you decide, you can make work. Money can be earned, and with money comes autonomy.

Whatever you do, make sure it is not nothing. Don't idle. This is your chance.

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>>7465875
>I was drying my face and when I looked up at myself in the mirror I was a beautiful Asian girl
>tfw you will never know this feel
>tfw even my perfect transition can't fix my whiteness
AGP or not, life would be so wonderful

I banned myself from crossdressing and now i dont have that strong urge, went on hrt, stayed on it for maybe 17 months now, am a femboy i guess now

Agp cured

>>7465967
I feel like i'm getting too old.

I just had a major breakup with my girlfriend of eight years that was emotionally devastating at the time and now i'm trying to find like minded guys to hang with. Maybe if I had some irl support i'd try.

I at least want to start crossdressing more, maybe publicly.

But I could never fully transition. Like, I know a lot of trans people don't think it counts unless you go all the way but I still really really like my dick and balls all things considered. I've never hated my body, more so I just wish it were a different shape (womanly),

>>7465965
Is it that you are more comfortable when you are acknowledged as a woman and treated like one, or would you be fine with being thought of as a man but being allowed to "act like a woman" (i.e. embrace feminine gender roles) and be treated like one would treat a woman, with those around you being loving and accepting of that?

>>7465977
I'm sorry to hear that. Be well.
There's nothing wrong with transitioning but keeping your genitals. People are different from one another and so have different needs. Don't fret over labels.

I guess what you need to ask yourself is this: could you live on and be happy as you are? How likely is that? Are you willing to take the chance? Now flip these questions, asking yourself how transitioning would affect you.

>Maybe if I had some irl support i'd try
Do you know anyone who is likely to be supportive? Could you talk with them?

>>7466007
I know a handful of people who don't or wouldn't care but no one who is supportive. I'm kind of on my own in everything I do. Not that people don't care about me but no one gives a shit about my personal problems.

>>7465987
I am more comfortable being acknowledged and treated as a woman - the gender expression is essentially what I do online - the issue is it doesn't feel authentic as such - I feel like I'm *not* a woman but I'm just acting like one online to compensate for *something* as such.

Whatever that is I'm not really sure, as I don't have physical dysphoria - I don't have any qualms with my sexuality apart from it being entierly female in my head only (Namely, it's impossible for me to even imagine having sex as a guy, it's totally foreign to me - I'm essentially asexual as a guy)

I'm bi as a "female" and that doesn't really bother me at all, so it's not repressed gay or anything. It honestly feels as if I'm not trans, just AGP + social confusion because of said AGP, as apart from what I said I'm comfortable with who I am.

>>7466040
That's very interesting. So you feel bad because you are not acknowledged as a woman, but you don't necessarily feel the need to have the body of one. This is in a lot of ways the opposite of how I usually think of dysphoria - a desire to have a certain body mixed with a society telling you that people with that sort of body act in a certain way so you ought act that way too if you want to have that body.

How would you describe the sensation of your social dysphoria? What triggers it, generally but with a concrete example or two? What alleviates it, in around as much detail?

>I feel like I'm *not* a woman but I'm just acting like one online to compensate for *something* as such.
>I don't have any qualms with my sexuality apart from it being entierly female in my head only (Namely, it's impossible for me to even imagine having sex as a guy, it's totally foreign to me - I'm essentially asexual as a guy)
So you would need to have a woman's body in order to enjoy sex and have a relationship?

>>7466062
Indeed, it interests me just as much as it annoys me - My social dysphoria is triggered by a few things - in general seeing girls socially interact, as in just talking with other girls or guys makes me slightly dysphoric, also any explicit mention of my gender (He did such and such) tends to make me uncomfortable.

What I do to get rid of my dysphoria is generally just being a girl online, talking to people as a girl online, being treated as one as well as people thinking I am a girl, essentially the reverse of what causes me dysphoria - and when I "am" a girl, I mean, I do everything as normal but I'm just a girl doing it. (Only online).

If I do this every so often I tend to not have to worry all that much about dysphoria apart from the AGP and the general feeling of having to do it - but have to deal with the fact I'm essentially faking myself.

Yes, I would need to have a female body to have a relationship and enjoy stuff sexually,
but at the same time I feel absolutely no need for sex or sexual relationships at all and I'm comfortable being alone, as long as I have friends. I have a need for love, of course we all need love, but to me a platonic friend that is very close is more than enough for me to be happy relationship wise.

I have the AGP urges and fantasies but pretty much zero sexuality apart from that - my AGP sexuality is essentially one of a normal female's but disconnected from reality almost completely - it's pure fantasy to me, nothing more.

>>7466115
I see.
Your situation is difficult to make sense of. On one hand you say that you are more or less fine as you are and transitioning is a major hassle at the best of times. It has non-trivial medical implications and a lot of people are not accepting of it. On the other it sounds like you would do better as a woman purely in the sense that it would get you what you want - you would be treated the way you want to be treated and could find and be with a loving spouse. If it makes you happy and helps you achieve your life goals does it truly matter whether you think of yourself as a "real" woman or not?

It looks like you'll have to make some sacrifices either way. Which of the two paths do you think is more likely to make you happy over the long term? What are their ups and downs from your point of view? Imagine that some external circumstances force you to take one path or the other. How would you feel about that in each case?

>>7465668
>Please do. This is interesting.
Any specific questions?

>So being a girl is the same exact feeling as having sex with a really attractive girl?
Maybe not the same feeling when actually having sex, but the same attraction. Seeing a hot girl gives me the same feeling as a hetero guy gets, except that feeling comes with the fantasy of being her and having sex with a guy as her, instead of having sex with her. The same arousal, but a different perspective.

It's not just wanting to be her and have sex as her, the way a straight girl wants sex with a guy, or even the way a gay guy does, because the focus isn't on the man I'm with. Instead it's on me. A straight girl is attracted to guys and wants to have sex with them. I'm attracted to girls and want to have sex as them. So in that way, what the fantasy feels like, it's more like a straight male fantasy than a straight female/gay male fantasy. It's a straight up male fantasy with my role switched to being the hot girl instead of being with her, rather than (like a gay guy's fantasy) my partner being switched to being a guy.

I don't like guys instead of girls. I like being the girl instead of being the guy.

>Are you actually trying to be your own gf?
No. I don't want to be a guy or have a gf. I have the same fantasy as guys who do, of the guy being protective of his gf, of her being hot, of them having steamy sex together, but I'm her not him.

I want to be my idea girl, not have her. Where a girl or gay guy wants an ideal man. But she's not my gf, I don't want a gf. My attraction to girls is real but it's a projected attraction to what I want to be myself.

For a girl/gay guy, being female/male is incidental to their attraction to men. For me, my attraction to men is incidental to wanting to be a girl.

>when you randomly come across AGP comments on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaCCG7QkM_c&lc=z12idlcwtpqxxpcmi233trs4nrmxez0pv04
>tlw1950
>I wanted to be Marcia Brady and have sex with Greg Brady. I was certainly a screwed up little boy.

>>7467047
This sounds like you are just massively overthinking your attraction to men. That or just putting the discomfort of transness into weird sexual terms.

Like you say it's super important that you are ideal, but who doesn't want to be ideal for their partner? Who doesn't want a protective bf, or sex with your protective and qt bf?

>>7467092
>This sounds like you are just massively overthinking your attraction to men.
I wanted to be a girl before I was attracted to guys. That's why I think it's a reverse of the normal wanting to be pretty for a guy. It's wanting a guy as part of being a pretty girl.

>That or just putting the discomfort of transness into weird sexual terms.
Maybe. But that makes it its own kind of transness. I'm not really dysphoric physically, I'm not even hugely dysphoric socially, although I do wish I was treated like a girl and got to act as one. It's sexually and romantically that I really want to be female.

>Like you say it's super important that you are ideal, but who doesn't want to be ideal for their partner?
It's literally what I get off to. Girls don't get off to being female when they have sex. They get off to the guy having sex with them and the act of sex. Being pretty helps that but it doesn't make it. But for me it does. And guys want to be fit for their pretty girlfriends but it's not their own fitness that they get off to: it's their attraction to the pretty girl and the act of having sex with her. For me, it's literally my attraction to myself as a girl. I normally don't even picture my fantasy bf. He's just a male who is there, out of shot. It's the pretty girl being fucked, me, that's sexy for me.

A trans girl identifies as a woman instead of a man. A gay guy is attracted to men instead of women. I am attracted to being the woman instead of being the man. That's different from both the others. Although I do identify as a woman too.

>Who doesn't want a protective bf, or sex with your protective and qt bf?
Yes that part isn't different from how girls feel.

>>7465875
You just sound trans not AGP tbdesu
But I feel you. I had a dream where I was walking around somewhere and ended up in front of a mirror. I saw myself as an Asian girl (not even a particularly cute one) and it was actually the most content I'd ever felt in my life. I cried when I woke up and couldn't fall back asleep.

>>7459828
Anon, I feel this way.

Watching trans timelines literally hurts my chest. I cant get off unless I imagine im the girl now.

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>>7467655
>tfw no global eugenics program so no girl will have to suffer being non-Asian again

I was told to avoid communities like this by multiple people since they don't help my thinking abut as promised I will respond to you, feeling ignored-san

>>7459898
Because my fetish is a part distinct from myself that I haven't felt otherwise. The more I fap the more it tries to take over me and who I am. The more it implants other thoughts that are otherwise unwanted into my head. The more afraid I become...

I came out to my mother about my issues and I will be going to see a therapist. I'm scared but these thoughts ruined Christmas, and that is something I can't accept. I can't let this ruin me, I need to reclaim myself.

>>7467682
They just turn me on and that warps my mind into something I am not.

>>7467713
I'm glad to hear that you're getting help. How did your mother respond?

>>7467752
She said what amounted to "I'll tolerate it I guess". Then she had a breakdown over it the next day after work and didn't understand that having a breakdown in front of me doesn't help anything. My ideal life would be for the urges to go away and be her son again, but I don't know I'm just stuck...I hate this situation.

>>7467778
Good luck!

New thread.

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