/hrtg/ HRT General Episode VII: Flutamide Awakens

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First for having no hope for passing and taking HRT with the intent of just living as a male for the rest of my life.

Also, does QHI ship to the US? Or am I doomed to ADC?

>>6755350
>no hope for passing and taking HRT with the intent of just living as a male for the rest of my life.
Me too thanks.

>>6755350

QHI does ship to the US.

>>6755350
I think I'm actually going to pass, but right now I'm totally closeted with my HRT use and being trans. Its an interesting road to travel. Best of luck to you.

I've only been on it for like a week. Been taking 100mg spiro daily, anyone had good experience starting with 200mg like the OP image suggests?

>>6755288
how do i get a blood test
is there a difference between progynova and estrofem
how much is monthly cost in general

>>6755397
>blood test
if you live in the first world then any doctor should be able to order you a blood test, else you can try getting one online lel

>difference between progynova and estrofem
Estrofem is estrodiol hemihydrate and can be taken sublingualy to minimize liver risk, and increase effectiveness my causing a peakand fall in estrogen levels. Progynova is estrodiol valarate and is taken orally, it is slightly more effective than oral estrofem, but less effective than sublingual estrofem. The standard dose for progynova and estrofem is 4-6 mg daily.

monthly cost
depends on what drugs and what dosages you go for. a standard of 50mg cypro + 4mg estrofem daily will cost about 100 bucks a month.

Waiting on my 1st delivery! Super anxious.

How important is establishing baseline hormone levels before starting?

>>6755397
For some progynova is more effective (myself included, granted I do injections now), for others estrofem is more effective.
Injections are the cheapest and also widely regarded as the most effective thing available for DIY hrt. Injections cost only about $1.45 per week. Coupled with 50mg cypro it would be $8.45 per week. At 25mg cypro, which is what I'm at (you can lower the dose over time), it would be about $4.95 per week.

Don't trans women need to go to doctors to get hormones? Why not just ask them? Curious trans dude here. Self-medicating seems dangerous.

>>6757397
Self-medicating follows basically the same procedure doctors do, so long as you aren't stupid.

When doctors write prescriptions, then are giving you a drug to try out and see how it works. If desired effects are achieved at low to minimal risk, it is deemed a success.

Whether a doctor starts you on cypro, spiro, etc. and how much largely comes down to personal preference and guesswork. A doctor will start you on a prescription and then test your blood a month later. Just like we trannies do ourselves.

I wish I'd known sooner how easy it is to self med. I spend a bit more on it than I would with insurance, but this way I don't have to come out to my parents yet.

Does anyone get really tired in either spiro or progynova? I just started taking them recently, so maybe it's just something I need to adjust to. Or maybe the lack of anxiety is allowing me to actually become tired out. Seems I'm getting dangerously low energy at some parts of the day though.

>>6757397
There is this thing called gatekeeping, and in some areas it is pretty bad, either stalling people for years or flat-out denying them, giving them the runaround.

On top of this endocrinologists are some of the lowest paid doctors and love to power trip, on top of this many are quite inflexible and don't give a flying fuck about your levels or your feminization. Up here there is one clinic for thousands of miles around, and it is utter shit. Bad gatekeeping not by the therapist, but by the endocrinologist playing therapist. It's not even an endocrinologist either, it's just a nurse practitioner. Example: people here get turned down for being bi or being into girls.

Also they will only give out spiro in regards to anti-androgens, and if you don't respond well to spiro or have serious complications from it, like I do, there is no flexibility and you are totally fucked.

Stories like this are everywhere. Endos are shit, and the majority of them are going to be shit in regards to trans needs until there are more tranny endos out there.

>>6757372

>Injections cost only about $1.45 per week.

From where? The cheapest ampule of estradiol valerate IM I've seen is ADC which is $1.59 or $1.53 each. Then there are still the costs of needles, the sharps container, bandaids, and alcohol pads. Or are you talking about a legitimate pharmacy that isn't listed on GoodRx?

>>6757397

You don't really need to, since estradiol isn't a controlled substance the way testosterone is, so the DEA and other government agencies don't care when you import it. Of course, if you want it from a physical business, you need a doctor's prescription since it's not an OTC drug like in poor countries.

>>6757504
>$1.59 or $1.53 each
I get mine from ADC too. Are you selecting the largest quantity they offer?

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>>6757504
>>6757509
Actually just looked up my last purchase, it was actually $1.53. Guess I remembered incorrectly, it's been a while.

Why split hairs over $0.08 though?

Also this order is for two trannies, that's why there's cypro and spiro.

>>6755394
Starting that high will hit you like a truck. You are supposed to start low and move up over the course of a month to both see how you react to the meds and also to give your body time to adjust to them.
Also whoever made that OP pic is an idiot. Starting on estro before taking an anti-androgen will do absolutely nothing.

Appartently im blind.

Please help?
>>6757513

>>6757558
I started at normal doses and was fine. Ramping up is a myth. There was like a brief period of more irritability and emotional volatility, which went away. No problems with breast growth or anything either.

>>6757570
Can't just stop working.

I'd say just take your mind off it, ride it out. It will return to normal.

>>6757570
How long have you been on it? I had a spike when I switched to cypro from spiro, it lasted maybe a week or two before it started really dwindling, at the 2 month mark I was definitely feeling lower test than I ever had, at the 3 month mark I began to get difficulty getting hard, at the 4 month mark I switched to 25mg and only had a drop of semen coming out again, at the 5 month mark I don't even want to fap or have any sex or do any sex acts, and I have literally nothing come out when I orgasm.

Question for others: is this a sign that 25mg is working just fine for me? My sex drive is the lowest it's ever been and I never had absolutely nothing come out of my dick this reliably before. Trying to fap is a real chore but I do it to try to maintain some functionality and also to see if anything is coming out.

Every time I try to start on spiro, within an hour my heart aches and beats erratically, my muscles ache and I feel lethargic and light headed, despite me having a very low potassium diet.
I can't afford to swap to cypro, because it's much more expensive where I live.
The doctor / GPs near me will only see people that they've prescribe drugs for, not people who self med, so they can't say what's wrong.

Is there anything I can do about this?
I'm not sure whether to just decide to take spiro and go for it no matter it may also fuck me up with side effects,
or to just quit meds and hope I cope and don't blow my brains out over the next few years until the government will prescribe me the hormones legitimately.

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This is the meme right? I just say I'll fax it to them later and wink violently while I hit continue?

>>6757601
Im just like 10 days on it now...
The symptoms disappeared at like the 7th day.
I started both E and Cypro 10 days ago if it matters.

>I do it to try to maintain some functionality
Why? Not trying to discredit you but im wondering why you would want that? Its one of the things im really looking forward to, losing all penile functionality and the resulting shrinkage. Tucking is such a bother right now.
>>6757593
Well okay then...

>>6757617
Which country? If you can self med you should, and cypro is very effective, I've already got it down to 25mg which makes it very comparable with spiro in regards to cost.

I've had serious heart issues from spiro when I took it, and had to make the switch. I'd strongly suggest you avoid spiro because it might wind up giving you a heart attack or other nasty shit.

>>6757635
>I started both E and Cypro 10 days ago if it matters.
And no HRT prior? If that's the case don't worry, this stuff takes time. A lot of time. Months from now you'll probably be experiencing similar things to what I have. It was only so fast for me because of two years of previous spiro taking.

>Why?
Because I'm not a tranny, at least not an MTF. If I were interested in tucking then it'd be no issue, everything has shrank a good deal regardless. My flaccid size has gone down a lot, my erect size has decreased as well but not to as much of a degree, granted, I can't really get erect like I used to and have to be on or near the cusp of orgasm in order to be 100% hard.

I don't dick anyone but it is nice to get it sucked and handled with success, granted I'm not even feeling like sex anymore, so if what you want is no functionality of your junk you picked the right AA.

Hey, so I'm having a problem with blood pressure while on Spiro. It's giving me headaches and making it hard to think clearly, and I've nearly blacked out from standing up too fast more than a few times a week. Is there anything I can do about this before I talk to my endo about switching?
He has me on 100mg, a low dose because I already had low blood pressure going in.

>>6757759
>because I already had low blood pressure going in
The FDA needs to hurry the fuck up and approve cypro for the US. This is messed up.

>>6757768
Iktf. What are my alternatives?
I was supposed to talk to him about this a week ago, but my appointment got cancelled because of something sudden, so now I have to wait another month. He told me to stop taking it in the meantime, but I'd rather just take it before I sleep.

>>6757759
Just talk him into switching meds or somehow get an orchi if you can. Having had low blood pressure issues from spiro myself, I can tell you it's better to get proper testosterone blocking than to try skirting around the blood pressure issues by lowering your dose. You don't want to get to the point where the blood pressure gets so low that you're getting heart palpitations from it, that shit is scary. If he doesn't want to switch meds, then get cypro online.

>>6757787
Bicalutamide, GnRH analogue + last resort: depo povera. All approved by the fda. Your insurance is good ?

>>6757659
Ah... alright. Man what a tease, givin me a taste of it working and then this. ehhhhhhh

>Because I'm not a tranny
Oh so you're one of the femboys who take hrt or one of these nonbinaries? I never really understood you guys but who am i to judge.

Thanks for your help, you've given me a piece of peace. I appreciate it. Always getting anxious about the smalles things...

this poster here >>6757789
>>6757803
This. Also if you have good enough insurance, or have $3000 laying around, an orchi would be a great option.

>>6757803
my insurance is very good. Currently getting estrodial and spiro for $3 or so, total

pros and cons of each?
I've heard depo povera is pretty ineffective.

>>6757789
I'm gonna get SRS eventually, so I don't see any reason to get an orchi

>>6757812
Don't worry, you'll probably be feeling a lot different within a month, particularly two months and more. It's a slow process but it's going to happen.
>Oh so you're one of the femboys who take hrt or one of these nonbinaries?
Something along those lines, wouldn't label myself as either though. I don't want to be a girl, I just like not being masculine. I considered not even taking estrogen and I still consider dropping it out of my regimen or lowering the dose once I run out of injection vials.
>Always getting anxious about the smalles things...
Seems pretty common among this crowd, particularly among the ones just starting out. There's nothing to worry about though, this stuff is strong and will work on you, it just takes time. Whether you can pass or not in the future, it'll be better feeling than what you were before.

>>6757832
>I'm gonna get SRS eventually, so I don't see any reason to get an orchi
:/ another victim of the vagina cult.

>>6757852
Ey b0ss fuk u.

>>6757632
P-Please respond. Some of you must have ordered on inhouse, right?

>>6757852
I'm a girl that gets mistaken for a boy because I have XY chromisomes. Of course I'm getting an upgrade.

>>6757896
Yes this is how you do it. They still send the package even if you dont send a receipt. All they care about is wheter you paid or not.

(btw depending on where you life, border control can seize your packet so be aware of that.)

>>6757832
GnRH analogues : top-tier all around, but quite expensive, insurance may not want to pay. (It's a category of drugs, there are nasal spray, injectable, implants)

Bicalutamide: works, main problems is not being able to monitor through blood test, and not prescribed much for HRT, so endo may be reluctant.

Depo provera and other progestin (chlormadinone, megestrol): basically cypro without the direct anti-androgen
effect, would only consider if all else fail, as they are slightly androgenic by themselves.

>>6757952
Alrighty, thanks.

I'm in the US so I'm not super worried about it. Tons of self medding going on here without issue.

>>6757957
I'm checking to see if my health care covers any GnRH analogues. I'm under Cigna, if you know offhand.

>>6757902
>>6757884
>scarred hole that requires eternal maintenance, costs a shitload, and requires complex surgery where many things could go wrong
>virtually never looks like a real vagina (seriously look at a shitload of healed end results, almost none of them look convincing)
>upgrade
Nobody who has gotten it and is advocating for it will show you their frankenpussy because they know deep down it doesn't actually look like a real vagina. You will never have a real vagina. You will never be an actual girl, and you never were one. You're not a girl who gets mistaken for a boy. You're a boy, one who has a very unfortunate, involuntary, and extremely powerful desire to be a girl, who feels wrong in their body. But that doesn't make you a girl, it makes you a defective boy. The best you can do is make yourself look like a girl, but you can't actually be one.

SRS is a hon meme, and a horrible one. It's a barbaric surgery and the results are never satisfactory, but buyers remorse/delusion/cognitive dissonance make them all act like it's 100% identical to a real one when it is physically impossible.
If anyone wants to chime in with the hilarious "my gynecologist thought I was a real grill when they saw it" bit, I've seen some really bad looking hons from Susan's say the same exact thing. Protipp: the gynecologists know, they just want to make you feel better.

If you ever had your face up to a real vagina you'd realize that nothing could possibly replicate the texture and appearance of an actual clitoris, particularly penile skin. There are many other telltale signs as well.

All this risk, all this cost, all this suffering, for a faulty end product only available through overpriced barbaric surgery. Fuck that shit.

>>6758062
take it to /mtfg/

>>6758099
Nice non-response hon.

>>6758108
what am I supposed to do, argue against your minimal research with more minimal research? I have a few people who have said their SRS looks good even if it's not real and that's about it. All you have are pictures of what look like back-alley mexico surgeries.

>>6758062
nobody gives a shit about your opinion

How do I into permanent hair removal?

>>6758137
>looked at hundreds of pictures of results from all the major surgeons, including le magical frankenvagina creator Suporn
>read up on all the major surgeons techniques
>watched videos of the procedure
If you're even considering the surgery then clearly I have done more research than you.
Everyone who gets it says it looks good, even if it's very obviously scarred (virtually all of them appear scarred)
Enjoy your scarred hole, you too >>6758201

Next time someone who has had it done claims it's perfect, ask to see it. Odds are they won't show you because deep down they know it doesn't look real.

>>6758277
Laser or electrolysis?
Just look for a laser center or an electrolysist.

>>6758509
Man, you sure have an agenda to push.

>>6758567
>agenda
That's what the vagina cult is pushing. I am merely trying to rescue its sad victims.

>>6758509
>discard your opinion
>automatically assume im pro srs
lmao

>>6758585
>speak against someone who is anti-SRS
>gets assumed to be pro-SRS
>acts surprised by this
Now That's What I Call Retarded, vol. 58

>>6758581
Maybe you're just not trutrans and trying to push your opinions.
I don't push srs on anyone else, I just know I'd rather have a flat front than be a futa.

>>6758794
>having a dick so big you don't already have a flat front
Sucks to be you.
>using the term trutrans
Hon status confirmed, granted the name gives it away hardcore. Looks like we got ourselves a fresh one.

I just found out they're going to test lupron tablets in women. Isn't that interesting?
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02807363?term=LUPRON+DEPOT&recr=Open&rank=1

>>6757768

I don't think it ever will since cypro has been used since 1964 and it's certainly out of patent by now. So the original manufacturer doesn't have much to gain by paying the FDA to reinvestigate the use of cyproterone acetate as a progestin and an anti-androgen specifically for trans people. As far as the FDA is concerned cyproterone is probably obsolete by the use of GnRH for most of its uses. Lupron depot is also coming out of patent somewhere between the end of this year and 2019, so you'll start to see generics at some point after that.

My mtf girlfriend has been on hrt for over a year now. Lately our sex life has gone to shit. She has absolutely no sex drive and she might just "force" herself to sex once a week and it just doesn't feel right. Wat do?

>>6759262

What's her hormone regimen like and optionally, what are her levels, if you know?

>>6759262
Perhaps try to convince her to take progesterone, but I don't know if she would take the advice of a non-tranny.

>>6759273
Uhh.. She takes one of those testoblocking pills and hormone pills once a day. I think the blocking pills are one of the most effective pills there are. Can't remember the names tho

>>6759299

Then I would suggest progesterone like >>6759275 said. I'm guessing cyproterone acetate is the testosterone blocking pill she's taking. She could also try injections instead of estradiol pills (the hormone pills). I've heard anecdotes of some trans women being especially horny right after an injection. Has she had her testicles removed?

>>6759327
>deduce she's on cypro
>ask if she still has balls

>>6759342

Ah, right. I wasn't thinking. Kek.

>>6758062
As someone who has seen both natal and neo vaginas in real life, there is definitely a distinction, but it's not that massive. Perfectionism is the death of everything trans really, because no you aren't going to have the exact right finger digit length, hip joint angles, shoulders, eyes, and brow unless you start before puberty and even then you're still not going to be spot on. It's a matter of getting close and even just getting closer when close isn't an option.
>There are many other telltale signs as well.
If you're transgender there's a lot more telltale signs to worry about than the texture of your clitoris.
The most valid point is that something can go extremely wrong with surgery, and when it goes wrong oh fuck it goes so wrong. You also forgot the lubrication bit. It's completely different lubrication if there is any at all.
>inb4 buyer's remorse/lying to yourself/whatever
I don't plan to get one, mostly because there's a damn good chance something better will come alone before I hit 30. Now THAT you can say is just me lying to myself.

>>6759327
She just told me the pills shes taking are "androcuur" and "prognova" how are they? She still has balls.

>>6759111
It looks like they're in phase 2 of testing.

>>6759393
>androcuur
Yep, that's cypro. The stuff they give sex criminals in the UK so they can't get aroused anymore.

>>6759393

Yeah, androcur is cyproterone acetate. Like >>6759401 said, it's effective in reducing sex drive, which is why lots of trans women like it. I personally haven't noticed a drop in sex drive on it, so I don't personally know what they're talking about though.

>>6759397

I found it notable because I didn't think it was possible or useful to put it in tablet form. I guess the only reason that it could be useful is trying to figure out which drug is best for a patient. If you gave a patient a 1 month injection with no idea of how they'll react, that would be pretty bad in comparison to a pill that lasts a day. Though I'm pretty sure they have low-dose injections don't they? Like a tenth of a milligram.

>>6759401
I'll suggest to her to switch to progesterone then. Her next doc appointment is next month, I'm just praying here my nuts won't explode before that.

I just hope the new drug won't screw her transition. Cypro has worked fine for her, except for the sex thing.

>>6759469
>switch to progesterone
Nonononononono.
You ADD a progesterone.

>>6759374
Wouldn't it make sense to hedge you bet by getting one now ? Assuming the new tech could be implanted on existing neovagina. And that you're affluent enough for both, if necessary.

>>6759432
How the fuck are they doing it, that seem pretty crazy. You have more info ?

>>6759475
Oh? So she will stay on cypro and have a normal sex drive with that? She also tells me she gets more tired than before hrt now. She always falls asleep when we're watching a movie and almost instantly starts sleeping when in bed around 22-23

So i bought bicalumatide and cypro both, about 6 months worth each. Idk why i got both, but which one is recommended to take?

>>6759483
nvm found that

http://mobile.in-pharmatechnologist.com/Ingredients/DOR-s-oral-leuprolide-to-start-trials-mid-year

Well here to hoping it gets to market. The tech is legit, though it's pretty futuristic as far as galenics goes.

>>6759432
I'd be kinda excited about pills, not a fan of injections. It looked like it was a shot every 3 months too, which would be really bad if the patient doesn't react well. Here's hoping.

>>6759374
My beef is that it costs so much yet will literally be a lifelong struggle maintaining it, on top of all that can go wrong, and I have seen pictures of those horror stories.

On top of this dating is harder after SRS because a guy can just go get a real girl with the real deal and ability to have children. With a dick you at least have something to bring to the table. With a frankenpussy there is even less to offer than before. Either way only someone who is okay with fucking an extremely feminized dude would willingly and knowingly sleep with any of us.

>>6759483

>How the fuck are they doing it, that seem pretty crazy. You have more info ?

Doing what, specifically?

>>6759541
Woah. That looks super fucking cool. Wasn't this about 10 years ago though? Have they not finished testing?

Also, why do they recommend taking Spiro with food?

I'm the blood pressure issues girl. I've been taking it first thing in the morning and I'm wondering if that caused it

>>6759513
Sounds like puberty.

Is anyone on bical right now? If so, how is it working for you so far. I may plan to switch from cypro to bical. I heard it does wonders for body hair which is what im looking for

>>6759571
I would never let my mtf gf to go through SRS. I like her the way she is even though SRS is free in my country.

I sometimes like fondling her balls, but immediately get shouted at for it. She kinda hates the whole thing and I understand it, but I hope she won't ever get a frankenpussy.

how do you deal with a large forehead and high hairline ._.''

>>6759693

Some surgeons pull your hairline forward during FFS. You could also try minoxidil or hair transplants.

>>6759621
Indeed, didn't see the date. That's not a very good sign, but maybe they just cut the funds of their research division during the financial downturn. At least it's phase 2 so there's progress.

Food gives better absorption and lower peak, but the effect is not big, so most probably won't solve your problem.

>>6759571
>>6759653
Dating is a lot harder being LGBT at all, trans especially. Why not just avoid transition altogether? Oh. Right. The whole dysphoria thing. Which you conveniently seem to forget despite pretending to be trans yourself in your first post. This shit isn't fooling me. I can tell that you're getting two (You)s here.
>inb4 totally impossible to fake screenshot
Whatever. Go start an SRS gen to troll in or better yet fuck off. If you are serious, fuck off anyways.

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>>6759810
But..

>>6759810
Yes so let's make dating even harder than it already is, all for something that isn't even a vagina anyway.

Have you considered my dysphoria is such that getting a fucked up scarhole would do nothing for me, because it's not the real thing and would be constantly reminding me that I don't have the real thing, when I can just ignore my current bits and not give a fuck because they're shriveled to shit, instead of having to do frequent maintenance (reminding me that it's not the real deal) so a scar hole doesn't close? On top of that I'd have to pay for it and it'd set me back in life in many other ways. Fuck that shit dude, why the fuck would you want to replace something that isn't a vagina with something that isn't a vagina yet costs a shitload, could go horribly wrong, and requires constant maintenance and reminders of what it isn't?

You're just a delusional fuck. Get real.

>>6759721
I'll try it for a few days. I'm not totally off Spiro, just skipping doses from time to time... And I don't need to use my brain for a week or so.

>>6759935
It sucks that your insurance doesn't cover it, but don't take it out on people who want something that they don't have to avoid during sex.

>>6759935
>scar hole doesn't close
>claims to have done extensive research
>doesn't even know why you dilating is important
bait/10

>>6760020
>implying I'd get it even if you paid me
Leeeeel
>>6760059
>dilating
What do you think I meant by maintenance? lmao
>close
A bit of an exaggeration, but yeah if you don't dilate shit gets smaller yo.

Man the hon memes are strong with you guys. Let me guess, neither of you are even a year in, are you? Kek

>>6760020
>>6760142
Ooh didn't notice this bit
>people who want something that they don't have to avoid during sex
>implying I'm a delusional fuck who has to avoid their genitals during sex
God you new hons are retarded. Your avoidance of your genitals is also likely exaggerated and fake in nature. It's just a body part, one you've always had, like your finger.

>>6755350
Who's this sexy trap??? Ffff

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I was having low blood pressure symptoms when I took 200mg of spiro. Knocked it down to 150 and things have been much better. Is 150 going to be a decent dose to continue with? I want to stop self medding for cost reasons soon anyway, get me some of that cypro or whatever the hip new anti androgen is.

>>6759653

How did you meet your girlfriend? Why do you prefer her as she is?

Does anyone take cyprotone acetate with progesterone?

Question: do you take your blood test in the morning before you take your dosage or after?

>>6761457
Morning before, since blood tests commonly ask for a 12 hour fast before being tested.

>>6761190
Someone that seems to do so over here >https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/4yc1ax/could_cyproterone_be_negatively_affecting_my
I may try that out myself eventually but I think I''ll wait at least 6-12 months into transition and have dropped my cypro dose to 25 too.

My E levels are at 90. I'm using patches and I asked my endo if those levels were too low, but she was extremely adamant that they were okay. I'd be more inclined to trust her, but I had to fight her to prescribe me an antiandrogen and she thought progesterone alone would block T. Because of this, I'm kinda skeptical about her opinions as a doctor. I told her that I'm skeeved out by spiro (since it's only a T blocker as a side effect) and that I'd like to do something different, so I'm gonna switch to Lupron, which I used since I was 15 and stopped since getting this new endo about a year and a half ago. I'm 20 and I've been on HRT for two years and about 3 months if that's important. Thanks!

>>6757558
>OP is an idiot
-_- you read it wrong .

>says to stay on low dose of estrogen for 1 month before increasing dose.
>says to also start AA at standard dose
>does not say when to start AA

>>6761528
Your new endo is utter garbage. Most endos are, because they are some of the lowest paid doctors out there and they also don't really give a shit about any trans issues or about you passing.

See a new endo or self-med. This one -will- turn you into a hon.

>>6760478
Met her in a restaurant near the place we both work. I couldn't notice if she's cis or mtf, coz I'm pretty bad in noticing that and she's really passable.

I prefer her as she is because I love her and her personality. She's always the little princess needing attention and protection to me. She's way more femine than any other female I've met.

I don't care how her body looks like, but I certainly wouldn't wish any surgeries for her, except maybe a boobjob, which I'm willing to gift her soon.

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>>6755288
I made a pretty picture. Please include it in the next OP if you like it. I tried my best since i hadn't seen anyone do anything with the survey data yet.

>linked version
http://imgur.com/a/Wh6Fy

>>6763617
Can you explain the histogram of overall results better? what does the number stand for? Percived attractiveness?

Otherwise, doing gods work.

>>6763770
Nah, in the survey there is an "overall rating" question to rate 1-10 how good or satisfied your are with your HRT. At least that's what I remember. In the data it's just called "overall rating" so I may be mistaken on that and confusing it with something.

>>6763770
Also the reason I made histogram instead of just a bar graph is some people rated like 7.5 or 6.25 so each bar in the histogram is "every response from X to X.99" etc

So I guess there is an injectable estrogen shortage and nothing is available until next quarter. Do I switch to pills?

is my doctor going at a reasonable pace? i feel as if theyre not giving me as much estrogen as i need, her reason being that im so small so she's worried and starting slow

i'm 18, 5'5 and 100lbs, about 4 months in and was on .5 and 100mg of estradiol and spiro, and just started 1 and 200mgs of them this week

>>6765704

You know you're underweight, though, right?

Any one know if 50mg bicalumatide has less hepatotoxicity than 50mg cyproterone acetate or the same? Which one is less harsh on the liver?

>>6765715
very aware, i really wish i could stop being skelly

>>6765704
That's quite slow tbqh. If possible ask for more.

I'd say you could start seriously stuffing your mouth at 4mg E, the pounds will stick, mostly go in the right places and solve the skelly problem.

>>6765704
He's going too slow. Like most endos do, he is holding you back. Either get him to up your dosage, or find a competent endo, or self med.

I self med because there isn't a competent endo who gives a shit within thousands of miles.

>>6765584
If you can't find a source, switch to pills. They will do fine. I've done them before to give my injection sites a break, things were fine. I had better luck with progynova than with sublingual estrofem, as far as results are concerned.

About to order hormones for the first time online

Cypro or spiro? Estrofem or progynova? Why take one over the other

>>6766639
Everyone is going to say estrofem because of memes but IME progynova was better results-wise. It's going to vary person to person, you can't go wrong with either one. The progynova is cheaper, can't complain about that.

Cypro is very potent and also doesn't have as many annoying side effects, but it is also more expensive than spiro. However, its dose can be lowered over time, unlike spiro. It is very good at killing your balls. Spiro is only an anti-androgen as a side effect, cypro was intended specifically to be an anti-androgen.

If you can manage it, I'd recommend cypro at 50mg/day. Just keep in mind it is more taxing on the liver, but at 50mg or less that won't be as much of an issue.

>>6766639
Cypro is more effective but more dangerous. You might need to visit doctors and get blood tests more often. You can lower your dosage over time as it essentially kills your balls, Spiro not so much, you gotta keep taking it.
If you are in the US, Cypro can only be bought online as it's not FDA approved, but Spiro can be gotten with a prescription.

Estrofem and Progynova are really back and forth, anecdotes claim one way or other but Progy is cheaper. Estrofem is generally more widely recommended by trans health experts though but results are usually the same anyway.

>>6766700
>>6766680
Anyway to take Cypro without liver failure?

I never drink alcohol if that helps.

>>6766713
You won't get liver failure, it just increases your risk of damage especially if you have generic predisposition or drink anyway.
As long as you monitor your health and get blood tests you'll be fine.
Ideally, bicalutamide and dutasteride combo is the best but it's pretty expensive by comparison and much harder to monitor progress with, hence its uncommon to use.

>>6765704
Your doc has you up at 200mg of Spiro but only 1mg estro because they are concerned about your size? They don't know much of what they are doing.

>inhouse progynova is out of stock

Now what

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How do you do blood tests if you have no insurance and have never been to the doctor

>>6766814
Private MD Labs, look 'em up

>>6766797
Uhhh check again, it's in stock.

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>>6766853
Are these two the same thing?

How long should I take hormones before I get a boobjob?

I hear it's better to let them develop first

>>6766713
>>6766754
I don't even do blood tests and I'm only on 25mg per day now, so I'm really not worried about it. It's only really an issue for people taking 100mg or more.

Just know the signs and symptoms to watch out for, loads of people take this stuff with no monitoring, statistically speaking you will almost certainly be fine. None of the trannies I know have had liver issues on cypro, granted all of them take 50mg or less per day. There are risks with any unmonitored HRT, may as well go for the stuff that won't automatically make you feel like shit, while also being more effective.

I'm not too worried because I plan on getting an orchi soonish anyway.

When I began my transition, one of the meds my dr prescribed was finasteride. Several months into my transition, I heard the dr molested a lady and she took him to court over it, so I decided to switch dr. The next dr I get, she continues prescribing all meds necessary except finasteride. I asked her why that was excluded and she insisted I consult with my previous dr to continue that prescription. I can't go back to that dr if he molests his patients and I can't continue getting finasteride with a valid prescription so would any of you be able to recommend how to get it? Thanks

>>6755288
▶HRTG Data Analysis: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AudRJceTA5C9gRLLWnbpdzlIxe4r

please respond >>6766864

>>6767236
Where did all that come from? Is there a survey link?

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>>6763617
That is so cool! This is realy turning me on seeing all this, like 50% chance of liking men more from hrt etc

>>6767254
Its in the OP, if you check the archives in like the second thread ily made some graphs a while ago

>>6767193
Why were you on finasteride? for hair loss? some doctors will prescribe finasteride as shit tier antiandrogen
, what are your other hrt meds? you might not need finasteride if you are going ok with them...

I want to get on a GnRH agonist, but my insurance won't cover Lupron. What alternatives should I look into?

>>6766864
>>6767244
Sorry, yeah it's just a different packaging design. It even says so on the site. They are same thing.

>>6767236
Wow I didn't realize how much data cleaning I'd done compared to the old analysis. There is a much larger data pool now though which is better.

It's interesting to see how estrofem took over in popularity, but also how the trend of a lot of people being in their first few months of hrt being common.

~1 month in, how long until I stop getting headaches?

>>6767517
>but also how the trend of a lot of people being in their first few months of hrt being common.
I don't see how this is a surprise, trannies tend to drop out of trans spaces after the first year or well into it. I know I did. I think it happens around the point you stop counting the months since starting and just going about living your life without even thinking about this shit.

>>6767257
Idk that's the part that kind of scares me the most since I've always been distant with intimacy and idk what liking a boy is like really. I'm probably just lying to myself about that and repressing it but idk

>>6767523
Are you on spiro? If so try drinking more water and see if that helps.

>>6767658
Yep, just 100mg for now because self-medding is expensive.

I've been keeping up at least 2 litres a day since I started and that feels like a lot (I definitely didn't drink that much water before. I'll give it a shot.

>>6767755
Have you added any salt to your diet? That can help as well, mainly because your body is flushing it out faster than before.

>>6767755
remember to not just drink water as you can accidentally flush all the salts out of your system. thts why i drink sports drinks when i get particularly pee crazy from spiro

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ill probably be homeless soon and im too depressed to do anything about it

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>looks over survey data
>sees somebody started hrt at 13 years old
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>6768032
Haven't really added much but my diet has always been high salt. Blood test after the first week was 143 mmol/L (lab range 135-145), which was exactly the same as a pre-HRT test a couple of months ago.

I have to live with my parents for the next two years. How can I hide my hormones? How would I get them to my house?

>>6766948
Best to wait a few years desu. Boobs grow over many years.

>>6767462
Cypro?

>>6768290
I'm in the US. Also, I'm not selfmedding.

>>6768080
That sucks. Can you still reach out to people/ressources/shelter ? Say, one call every day or every other day, it's doable.

>>6768172
PO box. As for hiding, if they're the type to search your room without warrant, may want to stock the bulk at a friend place. Otherwise just be careful.

>>6767462
Suprefact/busrelin, Firmagon/degarelix, Zoladex/gosrelin, histrelin, deslorelin. Maybe one is covered.

>>6767366
For hair loss. I definitely need it. My hair is already thin and growth improved so much where some hair loss was occurring during the six months that I was on it and without it for over a month now I have noticed my hair thinning again. It is extremely frustrating. My dr said it would affect my transition and something about it affecting my testosterone levels in the wrong way, but honestly I don't want to spend $400 on an appointment in her office just to argue with her and show her pics of my hair changes in the past six months from being on it.

>>6755350
>no hope for passing and taking HRT with the intent of just living as a male for the rest of my life.
Why does /hrtg/ attract more hons than /mtfg/?

Been on HRT for 2 months now and I think I might have been a bit too impetuous
Getting laser done too, 2 sessions in

But I'm 25, NEET and probably don't have the highest chance of passing

I'm beginning to have doubts, not about having gender dysphoria but just whether or not to transition
I know I won't be happy as a male, probably won't be too happy as a woman either but is it worth dragging it out when either way I'm probably gonna kill myself somewhere down the line?

Sounds like you need a happy movie an a cuddle buddy

>>6769129
You'll feel better on hormones anyway and femboy status could be attainable, way better than nothing.

>>6769129
Just self med the finasteride.

>>6768466
Man Cypro not being approved in the US is dumb as hell as its (imo) one of the best AAs you can get.
Unless you have liver problems yeah.

>>6769585
The funny thing is in its trials, it was used at 200-300mg/day and was used in the application of an AA for prostate cancer patients. At this dosage, of course liver damage will be a huge concern, compared to the relatively small amounts that people like us would take. At that really high dosage, it was determined that other already-existing medications were better for the purpose of prostate cancer treatment, and cypro was denied approval. They likely will never open up the process again in a trial for trannies, so it's probably never going to be approved in the US and we will have to continue to self-med if we want it.

I'm self-medding it myself at a dose of 25mg/day with good success, and I'm trying to save up to get an orchi so I don't have to worry about sourcing it anymore.

>>6769785
does prostate cancer cause loads more T? I dont see why they would use these doses considering 50mg/day is enough to completly nuke anyones testerone levels.

>>6769799
With cancer they want to nuke it really hard and really fast, also they want to nuke it to as low as possible, while people like us are aiming for female range or castration level.

So just got my bloodtest results. My e is 558pg/ml on the 5th day of a 20mg/ml bi-weekly injection from my doctor. Is that about right for an injection? My testosterone is 21ng/dl from 25mg cypratone and 1.25 mg finasteride.

Everything is under supervsion of my endo, except cyperatone. He has no idea and probably thinks im just on spiro. So i pretty much have a bunch of prescription spiro bottles in my drawer to last me a long time if anything happens.

>>6771013
enlighten me here, can't you get a prescription for cypro and then buy it at an online pharmacy with that prescription? or does the non-approval means it's not even able to be prescribed?

>>6771013
Can you re-check the units for E, that sounds extremely high.

>>6771030
You can just buy it from an online pharmacy without a prescription. That's what I do.

Non-approved means no doctor in the USA can prescribe it.

>>6771075
Yeah its pg/ml. Also correction, 4th day from the injection

>>6771030
Im the one you replied to. I live in california so they wont allow for cypro as its not fda approved so i just but it online on ihp

>>6771127
Well that's high, could be passed as being soon after the injection though, more or less.

>>6771013
Will you sell me some spiro?

How long does it take QHI to approve your first order typically, after you have emailed them the signed form?

Will they accept a form I filled out with a computer and signed with a touchscreen? It's identical to my regular signature, just was done electronically rather than with a scanned page that I used ink on.

>>6767193

>I can't go back to that dr if he molests his patients

Why? Is it that you don't want to put food on the plate of a patient molester or that you don't want to get molested?

>>6766814

>have never been to the doctor

As in, in your whole life?

>>6767257

Why does that turn you on?

>>6768082

I know, senpai. To think, what could have been.

>>6769007

She probably means that if part of your T isn't being converted into DHT, then you have more T. Not like that's significant though, when you're losing hair without finasteride.

>>6769097

Reminder hons talk and go out dressed the way they think women do, not live their lives as males while on HRT.

>>6769799

It's because prostate cancer requires androgens like testosterone to propagate itself (not all prostate cancers, but generally). Without androgens, you starve it. Though cyproterone actually has a low ability to activate the androgen receptor on its own, so it's not that great for something like prostate cancer.

>>6776731

>>6776731

>How long does it take QHI to approve your first order typically, after you have emailed them the signed form?

I don't think it was more than 2 or 4 days when I did it.

>Will they accept a form I filled out with a computer and signed with a touchscreen? It's identical to my regular signature, just was done electronically rather than with a scanned page that I used ink on.

Other anons have had success with that.

OK, what are all the various AA methods and doses? My body is rejecting Spiro.

>>6779594
Can't speak for the other AAs but cyproterone acetate has a typical dose of 50mg, works extremely well, and you can lower the dose over time. I'm down to 25mg with nuked test.

>>6779602
Sadly I can't get it prescribed here in the USA.

>>6779609
Inhouse pharmacy

>>6779609
Bicalutamide 50mg + dutasteride 0.5mg daily is a 3rd option some go with.
But I agree with the other anon, if you're cool with self-medicating then cyproterone is best, you can get it without prescription on inhouse pharmacy. When it asks for prescription just select "I will email it" they never actually check for it though.

>>6779609
If you're going the official route why are you even asking us? Just self med it, that's what I'm doing.

>>6779620
$5/month versus $??/month. I have prescription drug insurance. Money is tight for me.

>>6779682
It'll be alot. If you can't afford it, go with what your doctor recommends.

>>6779682
Expect about $1/50mg for cypro at the cheapest.

It's nice though because eventually it will require you to use less, that is the nature of cypro. It nukes the shit out of your balls and with time you need less of it to keep them subdued. So it may be $1 per day or so now, but 6 months to a year from now it'd be like $0.50 or perhaps even less.

>>6779703
I need to tell my doc what to prescribe.

>>6780017
Then tell him lupon if your insurance covers it.

>>6755288
hey so i am starting on 50mg Cypro and 2 mg estrofem, and i am wondering when should i take my estrofem? should i take the whole pill with cypro at night? or take half at night and half in the morning?

>>6776941
>Why does that turn you on?
Because i don't want to like men, i thought i liked women but now oi am starting to fantasize about sucking dicks and being fucked by a man, even though i don't want to T_T but deep down i know that i do want to... if that makes any sense? so the thought of hormones turning me into more of cock hungry degenerate turns me on at an instinctual level, and i can also rationalize any changes to my sexuality by blaming it on the hormones kukuku

>>6780568
Half night half morning. Spaced roughly 12h apart.

>>6780593
>i am starting to fantasize about sucking dicks and being fucked by a man, even though i don't want to T_T but deep down i know that i do want to... if that makes any sense?
Makes perfect sense to me considering I went through the same thing. It is very weird. You'll adjust though with time and it'll feel normal.

>>6780654
How does one even split a pill that small?

>>6781448
Pill splitters?
http://www.kamagrapharmacyonline.com/de/image/cache/data/PillSplitters-228x228.jpg

is the half-life of spiro thing crucial? My pills are one dosage each and don't have a break line along them so i just take the daily dosage at once, but it's been a week and I haven't noticed much yet

>>6781448
I used box cutters or knives.

>>6782270
>it's been a week and I haven't noticed much yet
gee, i wonder why
that said, i think the diuretic effect of spiro should kick in pretty soon after beginning treatment
idk though because i don't have personal experience with spiro

>>6782280
i have been experiencing the diuretic effects though

>>6782285
so then you know it's working
nothing happens in a week in terms of changes, this is a puberty which lasts for several years

>>6761457
Are you sure? I don't see why that would have anything to do with fasting; it's food you have to avoid taking, not medication. I thought the fasting is to ensure your blood sugar is read accurately.

Just how quickly does the HRT take effect? Neither being 24 hours from your last dose nor taking it almost immediately before the test can be good for the accuracy of it.

prognova or estrofem

who wins

Is all oestradiol hemihydrate able to be taken sublingually? The instructions on mine don't say anything about that and just specify swallowing it.

I managed to get a prescription to go on injections but I am having trouble sourcing them and when I do people are saying it will be like 80$ a week because they have to be made in a compound pharmacy.


Seems like many of you are on injections and you're quoting very cheap prices etc. Does this mean there is a premade injectable estrogen that I wouldn't need a compound pharmacy to make?

Do you know of a place I can get it legally in Canada? Specifically Victoria Canada.

>>6757617
Maybe an allergy? I'm assuming you're not on an excessively high dose (>200mg)?

Either way, can you get any other antiandrogen at all? Bicalutamide, Lupron, etc.?

>>6782775
If ADC ships to canada you can get them legally. Check their site. $1.53 per week at their prices.

>>6782863
>ADC
What does ADC stand for?

>>6780593
>>6780663

Well, that didn't happen to me. Back when I was pre-HRT, I saw lots of stories about orientation changing on HRT. I dismissed it because it seemed ridiculous that someone could develop an attraction to men from something nonexistent through the use of hormones. I thought I was attracted only to women then, but I remembered that there was a time maybe 8 years ago that I questioned whether I were gay or not. Back then I thought the answer was that I was still straight because I still had an attraction to women, regardless of what I felt for guys. So, knowing that I had some unaddressed attraction to men, I didn't want to be one of those anons who thought HRT changed their orientation without genuinely exploring the possibility of me being bisexual to begin with. Because then I would be supporting a bogus idea with bogus evidence. So I started fantasizing about guys, and I found that I was bisexual. I started HRT some months later.

>>6783087
Attack Damage Carry.

>>6783191
What a useless human.

>>6781448
I literally just use my teeth. Just bite the portion you need off.

Way quicker and less crumbly than using a knife

>>6785587
>not relishing the act of licking crumbs of estrogen off of a knife
C'mon anon...

>buy expensive hormones from the net
>hyped to actually get them
>get distracted and left them in car
>they were in the hot texas sun for a couple of hours

How fugged are these pills? I just memed myself didn't I

god fucking damn it

>>6785735
a couple hours shouldn't be an issue.

>>6785602
>not snorting it off your loving gf tinkler

>>6782739
No, not necessarily. Depends if it has a coating and what is binder is. Some are specifically designed to be taken orally and digested. Even estrofem isn't officially listed as sublingual, it just happens to work out well.

>>6785924
I feel like I'm paranoid as fuck rn desu

When I took some earlier, they tasted a bit more chalky and kind of light before dissolving quicker? Then again, they might have always tasted/acted like that (it's just regular Estradiol).

They were in a little bag inside the standard orange drug cylinder, but had been hit by direct sunlight.

P A N I C

I used to use this thing called Pueraria Mirifica, I didn't know crap about HRT or transitioning and was desperate to start.
Can someone look at it and tell me if it's worth anything of real value?

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/natures-answer-pueraria-mirifica-estro-balance-60-veg-caps?SourceCode=INTL140&CA_6C15C=895442154

>>6785587
>>6782275
jesus just get a pill splitter
they're like 5 dollars

>>6782739
if it's micronized, sublingual. this goes for all estrogen

>>6786011
>>>/placebogen/

>>6786041
>muh pill splitter meme
Why do that when I can just use one of my dozens of box cutters to the same effect? Muh pills don't crumble nigga

pre everything here, wondering if starting on AA before E has any advantages or disadvantages. mostly because I know that I want to use spiro but I don't know as much about estrogens.

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>>6755288
Today has been my first day on hormones, i took 50mg of cypro and 1mg of estro last night then another 1 mg this morning. How long untill i know if these are sugar pills or not? I must say after taking estrofem i felt very fucking chill, and way less anxiety, but i take it this is just placebo/ psychological effect of knowing i'm on hormones etc When will i notice real effects?

>>6785954
The estrofem tablets I have have a blue coating, does that tell you anything?

Finasteride is dirt cheap here

http://www.alldaychemist.com/fincar.html

>>6786950
If you have actual factual estrofem (a brand name) you can take sublingual. Besides that idk on other estrogen pills.

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>>6755288
Currently on 0.5 ml of 40mg/ml IM Estradiol Valerate every 5 days, and my boobs still won't grow (post-op SRS). Why, /lgbt/?

>>6789669

What are your closest female family members' natural breast sizes? Did you ever take spironolactone?

Two questions:
>how hellishly hard is it to get hrt in the u.s? "Real life experience" is the most fucking bullshit ever

>i turned 18 like two weeks ago. I'm like 5 foot 6 and weigh like 135 lbs. do i have potential?

>>6789669
Genetics.
If you haven't gotten them yet you never will unfortunately. I'm assuming you're years in.

>>6789669
lost the genetic lottery?
also people have reported switching administration methods boost growth

>>6788934
start by reading the OP instead of expecting to get spoonfed

>>6789736
>What are your closest female family members' natural breast sizes?
D+
>Did you ever take spironolactone?
Yes

I originally started at 15 with estradiol sublingually and finasteride. Added spiro. Things were going well until I got presured from my parents to stop as changes were happening too fast. Boobs kind of deflated, restarted half a year later, boobs inflated back to where they had been but never grew beyond that point.

>>6789839
Started at 15, 26 now.

>>6789851
From what to what? Or just anything?

>>6788934

Did you take the name L from the DeathNote character?

>>6788986

I have read that spironolactone can stunt breast growth due to some effect it has on the estrogen receptor in the breasts. I'm asking to see if it might hold any water, since the place where I read it only said there were accounts and it didn't provide any source. I kind of doubt it since there must be femboys and trans girls that got to average and large sizes, but I don't know any specifically.

>>6789836

It's not at all hard from my experience living in a city. RLE is mostly the hallmark of hellholes in Europe and some parts Canada these days.

Who knows if you have potential without seeing a picture. If you told me you were 14 or younger, I would have said you definitely have potential without ever seeing a picture.

>>6789877
>From what to what? Or just anything?
injections to pills mostly i think, but i think anything should work

>>6789914
What would a good dose be? Sublingual or oral? When I was doing sublingual I was getting tons of estrogen for maybe half a day (since it all goes into the blood at once from under the tongue).

>>6755288
Is progesterone a meme? It made me feel happy but didn't do anything physically.

>>6790078
Injector here, likely one of the people the person you responded to heard about who had boosts from switching methods.

Keep in mind I'm only a little under 3 years in or so, so that likely has a lot to do with it, but I have switched methods before to give my injection sites a rest, and noticed boob growth restarting and increasing when I've done that. I didn't have so much luck with sublingual estrofem, but oral progynova (estradiol valerate) gave me good boosts.

You could try it out. I noticed over time injections have been doing less for me than they did at the start. Perhaps you are experiencing this sort of "diminishing returns" if you have been doing injections that whole time.

Give oral estradiol valerate a shot and see how it goes, can't go wrong with trying other methods. Don't expect any miracles, but it did give me shape improvement, some increased size, and the most breast growth pain I've had since my first year. I went back to injections to prevent too much growth because they're already fairly sizable and I'm not MTF in the first place.

>>6789912
No. It's sorta short for Ellie

>>6789858
OP confuses the shit out of me.

I'm in Japan and a doctor prescribed me these. I'm not exactly sure what the second one is for, or if it's in a correct dose range.

>What the doctor gave me written in a piece of paper
ペラニンデポー2A
プロゲデポー1A

> What I researched on my own
ペラニンデポー2A:
Pelanin Depo 2 vials 1ml • 10 mg
(Theres also 5mg vials, confusing)
Generic name: estradiol valerate

プロゲデポー1A:
Proge depot 1 vial 125 mg
Generic name: Hydroxyprogesterone caproate

Anyone who knows why the progesterone and if it's in the correct range please tell me.

Also, anyone who knows what I should be testing to be safe under these meds, please help.

>>6791562
I forgot. Supposedly it's to be injected twice a month, every two weeks.

>>6786011
The problem with herbs is that you don't know specific doses, and you don't know secondary effects, and there aren't recorded reports of the effects it has on humans.

There are a few experiments done on rats and it's supposedly the highest concentration of phytoestrogens that you can get from a plant, but you also don't know what else you'd be putting inside your body.

There's also the question if phytoestrogens are a reliable HRT. Until this particular herb came to light, most things with phytoestrogens were deemed toxic at the quantities you needed to actually have feminization effects. This plant, however, breaks that toxicity rule. There are feminization effects(scientific evidence in rats, and some anecdotal evidence in humans) without it being toxic, at least in the short term (aka, the rats didn't die)

But in the end it still is shrouded in mystery and is not really safe to just start with that.

>>6792042
In my experience progynova was superior in regards to feminization. But they are more or less the same.

>>6792169
Yep same dose.

>>6790713
>>6792058
Is progynova/oral estradiol valerate available in the US?

My blood test kit arrived today but tomorrow I'm switching from Estrofem to Progynova

So should I wait like a week before taking the test?

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Anyone else experiencing this issue with inhouse? Is there any alternative or fix to this?

>>6793730

Echeck.

>>6793730
>>6793836
It's not that, it's that I literally cannot choose an option. It's entirely blank.

>>6793846
>>6793730
update: i deleted and remade my account and the option to pay became visible again

weird shit

>>6792300
As far as know, it is

I just took my hrt, but I'm uncertain as to whether took it earlier today. I just don't know for sure one way or the other and it didn't occur to me until after I took my meds.

The fuck do I do? Spiro, 75mg and estradial valerate 2mg twice a day. Am I going to die? Get sick?

>>6794164

You're not going to die over that.

>>6794164
my daily dose is 6mg valerate, you'll be fine
kek

>>6761528
90 is too low. Mine was at 86 and I was using 0.075mg patches (which is hearsay to be the equivalent to 1.5mg orally). My doc wanted my estrogen in the "hundreds" and wanted to switch me to "0.5mg". When I repeated to make sure I heard it right she said that was right... I don't know what she meant, but I was almost certain they don't make 0.5mg patches. The pharmacy tried to give me 0.025mg, I called the office back and after two hours they called and said they fixed it. I asked if it was 0.5mg now. They said yes. I show up and it's at my old pharmacy and it's 0.05mg... the pharmacist has pity on me and calls my doctor. 20 minutes later I am holding 0.1mg patches.

For fuck sakes, your E levels can be so much higher than that. I know a transwoman who does shots and her E peaks around the 300's once a week. That's a bit extreme, but it could be so much higher than 90.

You're getting cheated, mate.

>>6794164
I know a tranny who tried to kill herself (unsuccessfully) with an entire bottle of spiro, you'll be fine.

Anyone have b4/after body hair comparo or pics?

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>>6755288
Has anyone tried this hair reduction cream inhouse sells?

>>6795179
Wow, patches sound pretty fucking terrible...

>>6755288
Hey so i started Cypro and estrofem a few days ago, and i am wondering when i will stop getting so fucking horny , i swear i masturbate almost everyday and still get boners, its anoying as fuck. how long till Cypro kills my dick?

>>6797656
2 weeks in, still didnt happen...

Though my endo put me on only 10mg/day for some reason.

>>6797656
>a few days
It takes months to fully knock out your sex drive. Even after two years of spiro, when I switched to cypro my sex drive wasn't fully and utterly destroyed until 4 months in or so.

It is a gradual process. I would say maaaaybe 2 weeks to a month until you begin to feel a gradual decrease. Around two months you'll probably still get horny sometimes. Three months to four months you might start not getting horny really but still have ability and have some stimuli make you horny. A month or two after that you could probably expect dead sex drive, with potential for not even being able to become aroused or much difficulty in arousal. My equipment still works but it requires physical and mental stimulation to function. I never get horny without a concentrated effort on my part, and it often just won't work, I'll find no porn or material arousing, not even my partner will be able to make me aroused or get a boner. Other times it functions well enough to make it work, but it takes a lot more effort, and can easily go away. Most of the time nothing can turn me on.

So you are on the right meds for destroying sex drive, but it takes months to get to that point.

>>6797782
Hey does it come back though? I am recently on hrt and love it, but I'm a bit worried about it making me have no interest in sex

>>6797776
10mg a day will probably work with time. This stuff really does nuke your balls hard and more recent research has said lower doses like that are effective in bringing test down to female range in most people. Still, I think it would have been better if your endo started you off high and ramped it down over time. I started at 50mg and am now at 25, toying with the idea of going to 12.5mg per day seeing as dropping it to 25 had no differences compared to being at 50.

>>6797796
I still fap almost every day, it's just a chore at times and I have to occasionally try a while first or hunt for the material that will work that day. It's no longer a need though and after I adjusted, it's also no longer even a desire, so I have to force myself into it but it quickly becomes enjoyable most of the time.

>>6797639
pretty sure patches are just behind injections in the official power rankings of hrt
they give a constant stream of estradiol into your blood and therefore stable levels
it's a hassle wearing three of those at the same time though

It's been 5 days since I sent my initial QHI order in, along with the signed forms and all that, how long does it usually take them to approve it and process the order and ship it out?

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>>6798111
Lol is it safe to take DNP in general? You're retarded if you even consider DNP. Just like steroids, you have to work your ass off to lose weight with DNP... and you STILL have to diet.

Just pick up a bottle of hydroxycut (metabolism/weight loss), dandelion root (lose water weight), and caffeine pills or coffee. Also walk regularly and you'll lose all the weight you want to lose unless you eat like a fatass.

>>6797656
That other anons experiences I would say are not shared by all. A few emont on spiro and I haven't had the heart to fap in weeks. Sometimes I kinda just did it anyway but if it's not very deliberate I just lose interest and stop. After the first week of starting hrt I've only masturbated till ejaculation twice, while before I was a several times a week kind of guy. So really I think how big your sex drive is beforehand has a lot to do with it.

>>6798196
They say they aim to get shipments out within 15 working days. From making my first order and sending forms and shit, it took me about two weeks. If you drop them a message, they're great at replying.

>>6798301
Does it become bigger after you start hrt if you before had a very low sex drive?

I mean damn, i used to do it once or twice every week and now i feel like it almost every day. REEEE

>>6798314
>AGP confirmed

>>6798314
it did for me for a while, but now it's kill

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god i wish there was an easy way to tell if hrt will actually make me look passable, if I know one thing about me its that luck isn't on my side 99% of the time

>>6798314
Your sex drive is going to decrease markedly, it just takes a while.

Currently on 6mg progynova and 200mg spiro per day. I've been on this dose for like half a year but my testosterone is still like 2.08 ng/dl. So I'm thinking of switching to bicalutamide 50 mg every other day (25 per day on avg). Will this likely be more effective than spiro?

>>6797656
My sex drive increased significantly for the first week or so and then began to drop. Nipples being ridiculously sensitive and pleasurable probably contributed to that as well as just the hormones.

>>6797639
No, the patches are fine. It's the doctor fucking up that caused all that mess.

The only shitty part is the lint that builds up around the edge of the otherwise invisible patch and having to scrub that shit off. But i guess that's a small price to pay. I can't really say I've experienced any negative side effects from hrt. And I'm free to kill my liver with hard liquor instead.

>>6799687
2.08 is good, what are you talking about? In at 21ng/dl with 25mg cypro.

>>6800646

Oops, I meant ng/ml.

>>6798314
>Does it become bigger if you before had a very low sex drive
Not necessarily no. I mean, it could possibly for some people but in most cases it nukes it.

>now I feel like it almost every day
I was like that at one point. But yea your drive will drop, could be by a little could be a lot

Hey, so I think I have a relatively unusual problem. Five or so months back I switched to injectable estradiol, my initial dose was .5 ml at 20mg/ml weekly (10mg per week), but my blood tests after a couple months showed my estradiol levels at a ridiculously high 1215 pg/ml, even with the test being done in the middle of the week. My doctor then lowered my dose to .3 mg, and after a couple more months the result was 871 pg/ml. I'm also on 200 mg of spironolactone and 5 mg of finasteride daily, and I've been on hormones for a little over a year and a half now. Before I switched to injections I was on 6 mg progynova daily, and my levels were normal if a touch low at 133 pg/ml.

So my question is, why are my levels so high? What could be causing it? I'm at a below normal dose and I have quadruple the normal level. I'm stumped.

My big fear is that I might have some sort of partial estrogen insensitivity, which could be the case I guess, but I've also experienced a bit of breast growth (which I suppose could be attributable to the antiandrogen idk?) and also smoother skin, hair thinning, less muscle, no nasty body odor, crying a lot over dumb things, etc.

>>6803037

How is your testosterone?

Also maybe you should decrease your dose lol.

>>6803037
>>6803185

Also what AA are you on?

>>6803185
>>6803197
As I mentioned, my AA is Spironolactone, 200 mg daily. My testosterone hovers around 20 to 25 ng/dl.

From what I've read and what my doctor has told me, my dose is already low, I'm more concerned with why my estradiol is so high in spite of that.

>>6803229

I dunno but your brain could be temporarily over producing estrogen due to endocrine feedback loops. Or you might have some sort of pituitary tumor.

>>6803248

>endocrine feedback loops*

I mean that thing that happens when your T gets blocked, where your brain will start producing excess T and E. But if your T is low then yeah I suspect its an error in the testing, or some tumor as I mentioned, possibly. But I'm not a doctor. What did your doctor say about it?

>>6803255
At the last follow up he noted that my prolacting was high, but in line with my estradiol levels, so he didn't have enough reason to suspect a prolactinoma. I got my more recent blood test results online just yesterday and haven't had my follow up yet, so I'm not sure what his opinion is.

>>6755288
Is it worth taking b12 supplements if on Cypro? I mean i drink a lot of milk etc so i am pretty sure it inst lacking in my diet

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Would 25 mg of bicalutamide per day be more effective than 200 mg of spiro?

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Hey girls,
>mtf
>21
>10 months on HRT
>stopped Androcur because i felt depressive at 7. month

Hey girls,
do you think I could pass?
My friends tell me that.
I am doing daytesting since January.
My doctor forced me to, because he didn't want to give me more medication without a proof. My dad is disgusted by me. My mum is acceptive and is okay with me being a girl.

I am living completely as a girl since January,
but i had to quit my job because of me being discriminated.
I don't want to go out anymore, because anyone is watching at me in disgust.
Because of all these events I don't even want to go on the woman bathroom, because I know that they would freak out. I don't like it on the male rooms, but I know I am not allowed to go to the female toilet.
The welfare center doesnt realize how much I am getting discriminated and wants to cut my welfare. My dad wants to kick me out of his house if I don't take a job after they stop giving me welfare.

What should I do?
I even started the name-change-process to prove him that I am serious and a girl which gets treated badly.

>>6803037
Same thing happened to me. High estro, high prolactin but the next time I had my test taken the levels were fine. My endo said it could be just an inexplicable blip which happens sometimes?

I even had a wet dream when I was 1 year into hormones despite not having one for an entire year. Maybe it's just testosterone's "last stand"? Idk.

>>6803784
>stopped cypro because i felt depressive
just start taking B12 supplements, nigga

>>6803799
Another transsexual told me I only need to take more estrogen to kill my T
My old doctor didn't belive me and wanted to force me to take Androcur or Spiro.
But I don't want these unnecessary medications.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRrVBR0CqoI

It is very informative and shows why we shouldn't take these blockers.
At the moment I am at a friendly female gynecologist. We talked about my story and the unnecessary Use of blockers. Now I am getting anti baby pills and estrogen gel.
It works perfectly, no depression and my breasts started to grow aggain.

>>6803817
so wait, they forced you to take cypro (androcur) only? that's fucked up

however these blockers are needed as long as you have intact gonads

your gonads could always rev up the factory and flood the body with 10 times the testosterone found in females. that's why the blockers are needed, to stop that since estrogen alone could not stop this testosterone flood at least not in reasonable doses. taking more estrogen may work but you risk internal damage to your kidneys and liver ESPECIALLY if you take the pill orally

here's source:
>Estrogen Alone May Not Suppress Testosterone
http://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/endo/46497

>>6803817
>Another transsexual told me I only need to take more estrogen to kill my T
You'd need an unhealthy dose of E for that.

>>6803847
No, they forced me to take androcur, or not prescribing me hormones aggain.
I have intact testicles, but they will produce female hormones if i take enough estrogen.
Look at the videos

>>6803852
Estrogen isn't unhealthy.
It is a hormon everyone has.
As long as it is from a natural source it won't do any bad.

>>6803874

Are you trolling or just woefully ignorant?

Hormones incl. estrogen should be below a certain range otherwise it can fuck with your health.

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>>6803874
>my testicles will produce female hormones
Hon science: the post

How do I split 6mg of Progynova?

I sleep for more than 8 hours a day

>>6803899
What kinds of effects can it have on your health?

>>6803910
>Hon science
No surprise, look at the video he posted in >>6803847

>>6803899
It is in an normal range
I am taking two hubs gel and one pill per day.
Sadly I can't post results yet, but you should really check out her facebook group.
She has hundreds of ppl being happy with estrogen only.
f a c e b/oo/k(dot)c/o/m/rachel.francon
She knows much more than any of these so called doctors.

>>6803915

I just take 4 mg after waking up and 2mg approx. 12 hours later or before sleeping, whichever is earlier.

You don't need such precise timing. You could try 2 mg at each of breakfast lunch and dinner. That way it's also easier to remember.

>>6803927
>I just take 4 mg after waking up and 2mg approx. 12 hours later or before sleeping,
Why not the other way around?

people are literally animals, you people live in a delusional fake reality.
It's prerfectly ok to dress and act however you want butjust know only scientifically minded people are really human.
If you have a narrative based beliefsystem you are a primititve savage no matter how passive you are.
You literally just make up stories about yourself and pretend they're real for attention and self esteem.
You realise we evolved from cavemen and apes right? Life is pointless and everyone dies.
It's completely ok to say you're an attack helicopter, due to free speech, but if you actually believe it you're nuts.

>>6803935
>science only matters when it's consistent with my feels

>>6803932

No particular reason. But I guess if I think about it maybe I'd want a higher dose of estrogen during the day. But really it doesn't make a big difference probably.

>>6803935

You could actually become an attack helicopter by extracting your brain and plugging it into the flight console/computer of a flight helicopter.

Do you know the DNA of everyone you see in the street? Is that how you tell male or female, with superhuman DNA inspecting microscope vision? Or do you go by visual cues, behaviors. We can become females for most intents and purposes, besides reproduction. But in daily social life there isn't a substantive difference between a cisgirl and a transgirl.

>>6803915

Estrogen can cause blot clots and shit at excessive doses.
More does not equal better or more feminine; biological females evolved to tolerate a certain range of estrogen, which you can see in the OP info.

>>6803965

>blot clots
blood clots*
kek

Would you rather be a real guy working to make something great in society like an engineering invention or medicine, who chops fire wood and talks like a reasonable down to earth person, or would you ather be some talentless, unskilled weirdo who dyes their hair and says they're quasi-mocha-demigendered?
Those people always make really bad art and think underground rock music is the most improtant thing ever because they're all about 'expressing themselves'.
Guess what asshole, you just copied a social trend that is literally pointlessand meeaningless, in order to gain an identiy because you wouldn't have one otherwise.
The 'self' and the 'expression' are mutually dependant.
you're not expressing yourself, you're just making a self because you didn't work hard enough early in life to have one.

>>6803971

>in during closet trans denial tantrum

>>6803965
What about hair loss?

>>6803980

I don't know. You can probably use a search engine or wikipedia to find this out extremely easily.

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>>6803935
you're contradicting yourself so hard i can't believe you are not trolling

if life is worthless and meaningless why do YOU care what do people identify as? why do you still feel the need to call them nuts when they only do what they want to do? why can't you allow them do that without being a judgmental prick?

>>6803971
>engineering invention
Boring
>medinine
Interesting
>who chops fire wood
Boring and worthless

The only thing you listed that is worthy of boasting about is medicine. The rest I can ask a monkey or robot to do and they will do it far better..

Anyone get crazy emotional dreams when they first start? I had a doozy last night.

>>6803799
>B12 supplements
Do i need these if i drink loads of milk?

new thread
>>6804109

>>6803910
what? that's what happened to LalaLilly

>>6809471
Lalalilly claims intersex though.

Also 98% sure shes bullshitting.