/hrtg/ HRT General 008: I ran out of Star Wars episodes

>>6804109
So, due to certain circumstances, I ran out of Spiro but still have Estradiol. Should I even bother taking E while I wait for more Spiro? I heard that taking it without an antiandrogen will be useless.

>>6805090
I dont know about the halflife of spiro but you should be fine for a while.
Try to get spiro as soon as possible though.

E is useless for supressing T

How long should I wait from first GP referral to actually seeing somebody at the clinic? Also what's the likelihood of that first meeting ending up with me getting HRT straight away?

This has been asked a lot probably but what would happen if I only took spiro?

Mtf here super scared to do hrt. I am 21, will be 22 when I start. Is it to late? Should I be scared is it okay to be scared?

>>6805932
>REEEE

>>6805549
you'd be okay for like a month but you need either E or T in your system or you'll have some severe problems.

>>6805620
it's literally never too late.

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>>6804109
Hey girls I need some help

at what age would it be to late? I don't want to be a hon. I'm currently 20 and I hope to start by 25. I'm finishing school then moving onto a four year school and trying to finally become financially independent from my parents. Also I'm currently at 287 lbs and I want to get down to 180 lbs. How can I get a curvy, thicc voluptuous figure? I don't want to be a twig, nor do I want to continue being a gelatinous ball of fat.

Thank you.

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>>6805985
>>6805932
>>6805620
pic related is 34 years old. as long as you work on your makeup, hair, and voice gains, hormones will do the rest.

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>>6805995
and here's 25 years old

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>>6805995
holy fuck

thank you for helping my self esteem back

i have something to look forward too now after college

>>6806006
damn shes pretty owo

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>>6804109
So it's been really hot out today and I forgot to wear deodorant. Guess what I noticed? Male type body odor. I'm on 0.5mL of 40mg/mL every week and post op SRS. Does someone want to tell me wtf is wrong?

>>6805291
>what's the likelihood of that first meeting ending up with me getting HRT straight away?
If you start self medding your chances will increase

>>6804109
I am 5 days into hrt, on 50mg Cypro and 2 mg estrofem. How long until my skin thins out and becomes soft?

Also i noticed when i think about something sad i suddenly get this sinking feeling in my chest/gut area , its like realy bad falling into sadness that is going to make me cry out loud, but then it quickly goes away as i try and keep my emotions under control. is this from the estrogen ? or am i just falling for placebo memes?

>>6806494
did you have female body odor before you had SRS and stopped antiandrogens?

>>6807928
your body is getting used to new hormones, your emotions are gunna get a little fucked up for a while

>>6807943
Yes.

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Would 25 mg of bicalutamide per day be more effective than 200 mg of spiro?

>>6807996
Sounds like you still have some testosterone in your system

>>6808073
>effective
in what way?
bica wint kill your dick or make your brain female like Spiro, but it will be better at changing body hair and reversing MPB. Also bica wont reduce your T levels so it is hard to monitor

>>6808170

Why won't it kill my dick or make my brain female?

I thought it could pass the blood-brain-barrier.

Why not dick tho?

>>6808185
Because it doesn't lower testosterone levels

>>6808235

It prevents binding of testosterone to the androgen receptor though, which is the actual important thing.

>>6808159
How though? Especially being post op?

>>6807953
ah cool this sounds like fun

When will my skin become soft???

>>6805995
>tfw all I can see is how feminine his face pre-transition was compared to mine
she's only pretty because he didn't have a huge man face

>>6808425

Probably a few months or so.

>>6808452
>few months
T_T how do i make the time go faster?

>>6809391
Get a hobby.

>>6808170
i thought trannies' brains were already female ;^)

>>6808073
the effectiveness of bicalutamide is evaluated by observing symptoms. blood tests are ineffective because its anti-androgenic effects don't occur by reducing the amount of testosterone produced but by preventing testosterone from binding to androgen receptors.

please read wikipedia

>>6807876
They make you wait a year in here for hrt. Would they be pissed if I started before?

note: not that anon

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How difficult is it to find cis gays on feminizing meds? I'm turned off by masculine/average men, but I thirst for cute fag dick.

>>6809905
>>>/femboygeneral/

Beware, about 60% chance you find repressed trannies instead.

>>6809926
>Beware, about 60% chance you find repressed trannies instead.
Damn. I've tried hooking up two transgirls in my city and they both got really offended when I even touched their penises with my hand, and from what I've read since that's apparently normal for transwomen. Who fucking complains about a reacharound?

>>6809949
People who have a pathological discomfort with the masculine elements of their body, i.e. pretty much all MtFs. If they're explicitly saying they're transgirls then don't you think it might be a good idea to ask beforehand? Really it's their responsibility to tell you first but you should ask anyway just to be sure.

If they were just femboys on HRT you'd have more of a point.

>>6809579
http://www.transgendercare.com/guidance/resources/hbigda01/hbigda01_7.htm
>In selected circumstances, it can be acceptable to provide hormones to patients who have not fulfilled criterion 3 – for example, to facilitate the provision of monitored therapy using hormones of known quality, as an alternative to black-market or unsupervised hormone use.
assuming they follow wpath soc at least

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>>6809503

I did read wikipedia and searched for a while.
Are you implying I have some other definition of effectiveness other than sexual secondary characteristics/demasculinization? I'm asking about dosages.

As far as I know this is how the whole hormones thing works.

The brain, when not sensing T or E, produces some T and E and also releases an endocrine cascade which goes down and stimulates the gonads to produce a sex hormone (T for testicles, E for ovaries). The sex hormone then goes into the brain and regulates the release of the signaling hormones so that sex hormone production in the gonads is stabilized.


Now adding an anti-androgen will block T from binding to the AR. Spiro and bica both do this, except spiro is a partial agonist of the AR and bica is a pure antagonist of the AR. This inhibits masculinization. If the AA enters the brain (which bica does in humans according to wikipedia but I've read conflicting information), it will also prevent the brain from sensing the T in the blood and thereby cause an increase in T production relative to baseline, at least initially.

But there is one point. If you then add estrogen into the equation, the brain will then sense the female levels of estrogen and shut down the signalling cascade to produce T and E, and stop producing as much T and E itself. Yur testicles should then stop producing T because they are no longer being hormonally signaled from the brain to do so. So this being the case, I can see why bica or even spiro wouldn't lower T at first, but with external E logically they should both eventually result in a decrease in T production.

And, just keep in mind that mtfs used to be subscribed only E at high doses in order to do what I described.

People shouldn't spout so much hearsay bullshit with such an air of authority, it makes it hard to sift through and find the truth.

How do you apply Minoxidill?

Do you rub it into the areas of the scalp or just wait for it to absorb?
I'm trying to fix my receeding hairline

>been on HRT for 2 months
>still ejaculating when I masturbate

I thought this was supposed to stop?

Best way to self medicate? I'm a mtf with shit parents.
>inb4 don't self medicate you'll hurt yourself
Suicide will kill me faster than breast cancer ever will if I don't take hormones, fuck off.

>>6805100
>E is useless for supressing T
Actually it does suppress T, just not as effectively as most antiandrogens do. Better than nothing.
>>6805975
>you need either E or T in your system or you'll have some severe problems.
False, don't make me perform my eunuch summoning ritual.

>>6811340
Ejaculating isnt going to go away. The seed is gonna though.
Is your ejaculate clear or becoming more clear than pre hrt? Everything working as it should.

Not sure when this infertility effect starts though, might start later than 2 months, idk.

>>6811426
To supress T with E you need heart attack inducing doses of E. Yeah it can have a supressing effect but for the purpose of it it is quasi useless.

Also, anon. Enuchs still have adrenal glands and have E and T both in their bodies. Just at much lower concentrations (for T anyway).

>>6811407
Send the medication to a PO box (possibly prohibitively expensive) or a trusted friend if you don't want them seeing it when it's delivered. The alternative is to watch the letterbox like a hawk and make sure you always get there before them, which is probably going to be stressful and unreliable, especially considering the large delivery windows.

Are they concerned about the drugs themselves or about you getting them semi-illegally?

d-does anyone know a site/provider that ships to turkey ,_,

>>6811463
Protip: castration levels of testosterone are basically the same levels that trannies should be aiming for. Women get t through their adrenals too, and trannies are supposed to aim for female levels, not total nukage of test down to nothing.

>>6811604
I don't care much about the legality, I just need help with getting them, and some advice with what to choose.

So I love soy milk, but I don't want to mess with transition. Will drinking a moderate amount of soy milk really effect the uptake of estrogen?

>>6806494

Why not take 1ml every two weeks?

is there any point to taking finasteride with cypro or spiro?

>>6810360
i wasn't trying to be a dick, it's just that tons of people don't even do that. clearly you are not one of those.

i think the reality is that using bicalutamide as an AA for transgender patients is very much an unstudied thing. the only studies we can find are relating to prostate cancer, where they measure the AA effect through PSA levels. i don't think it's possible to really make an equivalence statement to spiro. anecdotal evidence suggests daily doses between 12.5 and 50mg. i don't know if we have anything more than that

I did my first order with QHI on the 21st.
I sent the form filled out electronically, and have received no email back from them yet. They have charged my card though - is it safe to assume that they have accepted my filled out forms and will be shipping out my stuff shortly, seeing as they have taken my payment?

I just had the first wet dream in a long time. it was really intense, and i did masturbate last week...
does this mean my AA is not working properly? about a month ago I switched from 25mg bica daily to alternating 75mg/37.5mg from a different supplier.

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switching from spiro to cypro.

...when i quit spiro, do i cold turkey or taper?
can i take cypro at the same time as spiro, or should i completely stop spiro before starting cypro?

>>6813068
You can just take your first cypro pill when you would have taken your last spiro pill. No ramping down or up necessary. Just take your first cypro 12 hours after you've taken your last spiro, boom done.

t. did the switch

>>6812541
Yup, to prevent any T in your system being converted into DHT

>>6812740

My bad for overreacting, was getting similar responses from other anons and sort of conflated them all in my head. Well, I'll just have to be a guinea pig pig myself then. I ordered some bica, and I'm planning to take both spiro and bica for a while and then gradually taper off the spiro dose.

>>6804109
Can I quit AA after 7 years of HRT? Are my testicles dead now?

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Alright, so my transition is coming along nicely. Facially I'm doing not too bad. Body wise however, I need work. I have a very large chest so it makes my physique fairly uneven. I need to build my ass and thighs to balance it out and feel better about it.

Right now I'm looking at squatting weights and I'm not sure if that's ideal. When I grab my ass and legs, there's clearly a fair bit to grab on to and it feels pretty squishy, so I feel like if I built muscle, it'd add very well and the fat and stuff already there would keep it from looking hella muscley and gross.

But anyways, what do you guys think? Is there an ideal workout routine for this sorta stuff? Should I just follow anything on the internet? I feel like a fair bit doesn't apply to me because of my trans situation. Most workout routines would be for guys hoping to get massive quads and stuff. I just wanna be more fem.

So pls help!

Pic related.

>>6814597
No. It may take a long time, but they will recover and the T will come back up.

>>6814606
Is there any way to permanently stop testosterone production without orchiectomy?

>>6814622
It's really not even that much testosterone if you're on hormones for a while. Trust me, it won't make a difference between you passing or not.

>>6814625
But can it make my body and facial hair start growing? I've started hormones before all that shit become dark and visible.

>>6814622
why don't you just cut your balls off? 7 years?

>>6814603
>hrt general

>>6814634

HRT General? What?

>>6814597
>>6814622

I've heard suggestions that you can stop AA after your testicles atrophy. The estrogen should suppress the brain from signalling the testicles to produce T, I think.

This is kind of my goal as well, eventually stopping AA and just living on E.

>>6814634
>why don't you just cut your balls off? 7 years?
And how I supposed to do that? Get a knife and cut my balls off?

>>6814685
>>6814678

What are your T levels? And what is the state of your testicles?

>>6814686
>What are your T levels?
0.25 ng/ml
>And what is the state of your testicles?
I don't know. How can I figure it out?

>>6814698

... Look at them? Are they tiny and all shiveled up?

>>6814698

>0.25 ng/ml

That's female range for sure, so I suspect your testicles aren't producing any or much testosterone, which implies your brain isn't signaling them to produce it because it can sense the estrogen in your blood.

Like are they small or what? Compared to porn images? And how hard are they?

And where are they in terms of position on a day to day basis? Like lose and hanging down, or are they more higher up?

What are your E levels?

I'm not an expert or whatever, but from what I've been studying about the endocrine system and read here and there you may be able to reduce or stop your dosage. What AA are you on and how much?

Also note that trans in previous decades would be given only E with no AA and that would shut down their T production eventually.

>>6814639
She's saying you're not in the right thread I guess? I don't know, I'd like an answer to what you you asked too. I'm only just starting but pretty in shape, so I'm wondering if I can stop all upper body stuff and just keep squatting and be good with that

>>6814717
>how hard are they

Haven't heard this one, do they get harder or softer as they atrophy?

>>6814720

I've heard both, or no change. I can't say, I'm asking for my own personal curiosity and knowledge.

>>6814720
>>6814722

But I should add that personally mine have seemingly become softer, although I didn't check much before. And I also became more masochistic and tolerate pain more for unrelated reasons, so I'm able to squeeze them harder to check than I used to be able to, so that also adds some confusion to it..

I can't believe I'm here
but something must be done

>>6814718
exactly what i was saying. we have topics for a reason...and you'd be far better off asking in other threads, or even /fit/

If your LH level is not 0 with
estrogen and no AA, T production will resume eventually. Reduced testicle size is only predictive of increased time to recovery. E level is mostly irrelevant because the required level vary person to person.

If you want to know if you can go estrogen only, discontinue the AA and after 3-6 months test for LH level (or GnRH level if the lab don't have a LH test). If it is not zero (and no orchi), T will rise again in time.

>>6814813

Seems dubious, as LH leads to T production and both E and T suppress LH production.

So your E should suppress the LH so that your testicles aren't producing testosterone, right?

Further, before AAs were in common use people used to just take very high doses of E and it was enough to suppress T production.

>>6814837
Yeah they used ridiculously high doses of conjugated estrogens or ethinyl estradiol.
If you want thrombosis though...

>>6814859

That dose enabled them to overpower the fully active male-mode endocrine situation. I'm not advocating that. But what I am saying is once you have enough suppression of LH due to E, then it's reasonable that your testicles won't produce T (outside of female range) regardless of the AA's you're taking.

AA's like spiro and bica don't even suppress T production directly, they just suppress activation of the AR.

>>6814871
bica is simple in its mechanism of action in that yeah, it doesn't directly suppress T production at all, it just blocks androgen receptors so the androgens are no longer bioavailable.
the indirect result of that is that through aromatase, your body eventually converts those unused androgens into estrogens.

spiro and cypro do partially work as androgen blockers, but also do a lot more stuff, such as loading the hpg axis through progestogenic action which i believe also leads to suppression of LH.

>>6813060
>has one wet dream
>masturbates once
>thinks their low effective testosterone levels should leave them with no sex drive of any kind

Also, alternating your dosages like that is probably bad.

>>6814886

Ah yeah I was incorrect about spiro. Oops. Sorry.

>>6814685
Go to a surgeon, obviously

>>6813060

Yeah why don't you just try 50 per day instead of that alternation thing? I can't imagine it helping at all but I could imagine it making things worse.

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>>6814743
what are you looking to do?

>>6814900
>>6814908
but do girls have wet dreams? and i don't mean with ejaculate

alternation is completely fine with bicalutamide, similar to anti-depressants. it doesn't reach steady state concentration for (4-12) weeks. compare with spironolactone at 8 days

>>6814908
addl: because it's far easier to split a pill into quarters and halves than thirds, and it doesn't have a negative effect

>>6814974

Ah, I was assuming a 50 mg pill.

Starting this week, 21. Can I check this is fine for self medding?

2mg progynova
100mg Spiro, that I'll take in 2 50mg portions 12 hours apart

I'm seeing my GP next month so after telling her I'm self medding that might speed up bloodwork and such, but if not after a few months I'll bump up to 4mg. Would I need to go 200mg Spiro too?

>>6815020
How clever or informed do you think we are?
Plenty of us have done our reading up but I didn't spot any actual medical professionals, and I think it would be very unwise of me to say with any confidence that you would be safe self-medding with a history of cancer.
I'm sorry, I really don't know what to say.

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>>6815039
It's fine, honestly self medding or not I'll be getting regular checkups and watching out for anything that could point towards cancer. Self medding won't increase the risk of me getting cancer so much as it will increase the risk of me missing some signs of it. Also, I've already been waiting 4 months just to get a referral to a therapist and I'm still waiting, once I finally see one it's another 6ish months before I can see an endo, there's no way I'm waiting that out.

>>6815020
Yeah definitely listen to >>6815039, you're going to get biased answers here telling you to just go for it without any medical backing. Good news is is that you're still really young so take your time, talk to your doctors and family and do it right

>>6815018
That's fine. It's a really common starting dose.

Whether you change it depends on your blood test results. If you can't get a test then you could safely increase it to 200mg/4mg.

>>6815066
I get what you mean but I'm just SO EAGER TO START. I don't want to have to wait up to another fucking year, after graduation and even let more puberty so it's destruction.
I wanted to graduate as ME, even if I don't fully pass I just want to be myself.

>>6814837
Measuring E level is irrelevant because the cut-off value for suppression is not well defined/varies depending on the person. Measuring LH is relevant, because the cut-off is well-defined to be at or near 0.


You seemed to advocate going E only based on testicles size and position, and E level in >>6814717 That's baseless. You also can't deduce a low T level is due to estrogen, when that person has said they're taking an AA.

>>6815077
I guess.
Good luck, whatever you do.

>>6815077
Just do it.

Then post your results here, so we will know what answer to give to future cancer patients

I am increasing my dose to 6mg. I have 2mg estrogen pills. Do I Take 4mg in the morning and 2mg at night or 2mg in the morning, 2mg in the afternoon and 2mg at night? Either way it's not split evenly over the 24 hours.
>split the pills
They're too small.

>>6815107

I do 4 in the morning and 2 at night. You could also do it 3x per day if you have the mental stamina for it.

>>6815107
There are two mentalities:

a) Maintain consistent levels throughout the day
>take 2 mg every 8 hours

b) Mimic natural body rhythms
> Heavy dose in the morning and lower bump at night.
http://www.eje-online.org/content/148/2/227.full.pdf

>>6815126
Ok b) is backed up by science so I'm gonna do that.

>>6815145
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

>>6815164
thanks for the good link. i didn't realize he read that pasta

>>6815164
-_-

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>>6804109
I'm having an appointment with my endo today, I was gonna ask him if I could switch from my 150mg spiro and 6mg sublingual estradiol to injections. Is there anything I should know about switching? I've been on this for years so I don't even know anymore.

Does HRT affect every cell in your body or just where secondary sex characteristics are developed (apart from your brain I guess)? Like is a spot on a trans girl's leg any more feminine than the same random spot on a cis guy's leg

>>6815728

It depends on the tissue type I think but like skin becomes like cis-girl skin. Softer and less oily. It also affects the brain as well. And fat distribution, musculature, possibly bones to an extent. So basically yeah the hormones have a lot of effects all over the body. But like it's hard to say if every cell is affected like for example some cell in your stomach that makes stomach acid, I don't know if there's really a big gender difference there, see what I mean? But every cell that responds to sex hormones yeah.

Is it ok if i take my blood test right before taking HRT? Because I will do it around 10am and i take HRT around noon.

>>6816175

Yeah you're supposed to do it before HRT.

>>6815107
>They're too small.
No they're not.
t. split them with a box cutter for ages

>>6816200
I split my E doses every 8 hours and I take my Cypro before bed

When so I take my blood test?

Can I take Bica only? I heard it's bad to take only AA, but is it really that bad? What If I take a really small amount like 10mg. I don't want to take estrogen yet.

>>6817250
It's not bad to take just an AA, others will claim otherwise but they are very uninformed and just spewing memes.

What you must do depends on the length of time, but you can go decades or even the rest of your life without testosterone and be fine. If doing more than a couple years it would be wise to adjust your diet so as to include more vitamins, particularly vitamin D and calcium, to help keep bones strong. Bone density loss can also be combated through regular load bearing exercise, as this tells your bones to stay strong. This is why astronauts lose bone mass when they spend enough time in zero gravity - there is no stress on their bones telling their body to keep them strong. Through these measures you can minimize bone density loss, which primarily takes place during the first 5 years.

Fun fact: people who go without testosterone have a higher average lifespan. Arthritis, osteoporosis, back problems, depression, etc. are all avoidable through diet, exercise, and taking care of yourself. People here will act like going past 2 years is a big deal but there are many people who go decades and decades without testosterone or a replacement for it, and if they take care of themselves they do fine.

>>6817285
One more thing:
If you're going to go for years or permanently like that, it would be best to have your testicles removed eventually. Taking AAs for years puts extra strain on your general health, and people without testicles have less bone density loss than those with testicles who take AAs. I would say it wouldn't be wise to go past 5 years on AAs alone. Even trans people who take estrogen with their AAs experience a good deal of bone density loss, something many seem not to know. This is because depending on the drug, the testosterone receptor sites are blocked in all tissues, meaning that even if their testosterone is within female range or castration range, it won't be doing the work on bone health that it would in someone without balls but also without AAs.

You can still go for years on an AA alone, and the steps I spoke of in my previous post will still help minimize bone density loss, but it would be wise to eventually get your balls removed.

Yeah, thats why you should get cypro so you dont have to take AA forever (Cypro chemically castrates you, literally deding your balls) and cypro doesnt (iirc) stop all T from binding with receptors.

If your T is like, reliably 0.3~0.8 nmol/L, do you need to worry about DHT? Like, at all?

>>6816743

Hmm right before a dose?
Like you want to know how your hormones are when the drugs are at their weakest.

hey how i administer estradiol injections? i ran out of the pills and recently switched to these
but i dunno where to shoot it

>>6820050

The front/side side of thigh muscle, but really you should look up a detailed tutorial because there are some important points.

Sterilize the area with alcohol first.

If you feel excessive pain/tingling, try a new spot without pushing deeper; that's a nerver.

Before injecting, try sucking up on the syringe. If blood comes out, do NOT inject, and try a new spot. Always make sure to do this.

>>6820253

>that's a nerver

nerve*

>>6820257
>that's a nerver
Nerevar.

>>6820232
>this kills the spirofag

In regards to estradiol pills, should I intake them sublingually? & should I spread them out throughout the day instead of all at once?

>>6820886

Just swallow them. Try to split it up to at least two different times.

>>6817285
>>6817318
how much should I take then?

What dosage of finasteride should I take if I'm taking bicalutide? I want to avoid hairloss

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>>6822754

>>6822820
Why does 5mg even exist?

>>6821342
You have multiple options. I'd recommend 50mg cyproterone acetate daily, since you can lower the dosage over time and it's very effective. But there is also bicalutamide if you wish to retain fertility for the time being.

>>6822850
Guess it's something like cypro for cancer patients (300mg) vs. trans people (50mg) - 50mg will also nuke your T (most likely).
In the case of cancer you just want to unleash as much as possible to nuke every last fraction of whatever.
(Though from what I've read; dht will take a week to return to baseline from just a single dose of <1mg fin).

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>>6804109

So... How the fuck do I self med without killing myself? I can get hormones over the counter in my country, but doctors won't recognize nor treat me because in my backwards country transgender people don't exist.

Does 4 mg of Estradiol valerate and 200 mg of spironolactone sound alright?

I'm 25 years old, 5' 7", and 152 pounds.

>>6822907
how long will using bica keep me from going sterile? and how much of it, 50mg too?

>>6823374
>how long until sterility
Never because it doesn't shut down sperm production.
>how much of it
I have heard everything from 12.5mg/day to 50mg+ per day. You might want to go hop over to femgen and ask them there, they tend to take bica more than the average user of this general.

>>6804109
/a/ reporting in,
Do you have that wallpaper without the HRGT text

>>6820909
lol absolutely not this

>>6823362
start with 2mg's not 4

>>6823414
why not?

>>6823422
swallowing gives you the worst estrogen intake/side effects ratio of probably any administration method
sublingually is how one ought to take the pills
i shudder to think how many have been doing that to themselves:(

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>>6823400
here you go XD

>>6823467
so wait like progynova too? i thought sub-lingual would be like a whole different thing that would need a different binder or something to work. Can I sublingual my progynova pills then, just put them under my tongue, let them dissolve and don't swallow?

>>6822850
My doctor actually told me i could use 5mg of the finasteride as an AA. He prescribed 1.25 mg for hairloss, but then later he said "there is nothing stopping you from taking 5mg" .

I took this to mean he would be understanding if i self medded, so next time i see him i will tell him i am still on 1.25mg of finasteride, but also 50mg Cyproterone and 4 mg Estrodiol Hemihydrate aswell

>>6823479
>progynova
Na not prognova, but you can with estrofem

>>6823479
progynova is supposed to be swallowed, estradiol valerate is not viable for sublingual administration

>>6823479
yup
unless you want to put them up your butt
i mean its just like sublingual
just dont swallow them.
less sick gains more health risks

>>6823523
>>6823525
Thanks, yeah I'll just swallow my 2mg's to start with then. When I get round to the next batch I order I'll look at estrofem and consider that. Do you think there's much difference/benefit to either method?

>>6823533
See above, apparently not for progynova

So i take 50mg Cypro and 2mg of estrofem sublingualy and for some reason i have no sex drive for the whole day, but as soon as the estrogen dissolves under my tongue and i get that slight sugary taste, i get realy realy horny., and uncontrollably start fingering my prostate and sucking my fingers as if they were a dick is this normal?

>>6823422
Is 200 mg spiro alright then? It's the one I'm actually more concerned about because heart attacks and arrhythmias.

>>6823570
200mg is pretty high to start with but nothing too crazy, more common seems to be 100mg.

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Do i realy have to wait a month to up my estrogen dose from 2 to 4mg? Its been a week already and i feel fine, i have had these weird emotion things but i quickly learnt how to keep them under control, and now they are pretty much gone and i feel normal. How about i up to 4 after 2 weeks instead?

>>6823517
Finasteride only works to stop DHT with is a byproduct of testosterone, not testosterone in itself.

>>6823579
it's a marathon not a sprint. you're on AA's now I'm assuming so there's no need to rush in to stop any more masculization

>>6823589
b..but i want my skin to go soft as soon as possible T_T Also i have way more strofem pills and will run out of cypro first, but if i take 4 mg after 14 days of taking 2mg , then i will finish both packs on the same day wich would work out nicely

>>6823525

If micronized it will work sublingually.

>>6823479
you can absolutely sublingual valerate

>>6823699
but estradiol valerate is a precursor that has to be converted to 17B estradoil before going into the blood though right?

>>6823546
>hrt making you horny
sounds like AGP

>>6825248
Right.

>>6825248
and how do you think it gets converted?

>>6825319
By the liver.

>>6823362
You can buy hormones over the counter?

Which backwards country do you live in? Sounds like my kind of place.

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I'm currently on 10mg estradiol valerate (intramuscular) every ten days.

Is that a high enough dose?

I'm 120 lbs, and don't have access to blood tests atm, due to being a poor ass student.

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would something bad happen to my bicu,ralex and fin if I get them out of that clingy film to a bottle?

>>6825418
10mg/week seems to be more common among those who inject, some even do that every 5 days. I would consider it a touch low but not necessarily hyper-low. How is your body reacting? Do you feel low-sex-hormone-feels nearing the end of the 10 days?

>>6825319
>>6825327
so now i've got two people saying you can sublingual progynova and two people saying you can't?

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>>6825474
Its kind of hard to tell, since I am only on my second dose, and I've been on AAs for 6 months.

As long as the dose is not super low, I'm happy.

>>6825486
if it says it's micronized, yes
if not, maybe

but if it can't really the worst that will happen is it will taste bad and you'll end up swallowing it anyway

>>6825523
It doesn't taste bad. It actually tastes good IMO.

>>6825520
I would bump it up to 10mg/7 days, that's what I've been doing for years and I feel kinda shitty at the end of the week due to low levels.

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>>6825447
I bloody hope not. You'd think they would have some sort of label if the drug decomposed in the air. I think your safe

If anyone has another opinion, I'd like to hear it.

>>6825523
Well, your salvia will destroy some of it... If something is not suitable for sublingual then you should just swallow it.

Besides im p sure it does absorb the estradiol valerate, but im not sure if estradiol valerate by itself without conversion does work in the way we want it to. I was greeted with a massive headace when i tried to sub my e.val. but nothing else.
Took ages to dissolve too...

>>6823579
Im thinking you'd be fine. Just keep track of your levels.
My endo put me on 6mg straight away anyway.

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>>6825535
Thanks for the advise, senpai.

Is taking Bicalutamide with Estrogen going to fuck me up mentally?

Because, iirc, it doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier, so I will have both T and E working at once...

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>>6825559
I don't know about e but just taking bicu made me way hornier for some reason.

>>6825447
>>6825540
Why though ? As a convenience, to have your dose for the day/week/month, it's fine; but the conservation to expiry date is guaranteed in the packaging, so long term that's taking a risk.

>>6825559
Crosses in human but not in rat, hence the confusion.


As for the sublingual estradiol valerate, it works in theory, but if the pill is not made with that in mind, it will dissolve quite slowly, not very practical.

>>6825545
I got headaches too but also the first strong breast growth pains I've had in years, when I tried e. val. to give my injection sites a break. Also got even smoother skin.

>>6823477

Thank you so much! I love it! I love Nano!

>>6823477

Ughh, whateves, fuck yourself faggot.

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>>6804109
So when taking estrogen sublingualy where exactly do i place the pill?

it feels like a lot of the time the pill ends up getting stuck to the back of my bottom teeth.

Also is saliva bad for it? if i swallow some of my saliva before it is dissolved will that fuck it up?

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>>6825693
>>6825698
priceless...

tbdesu though i don't have the picture any more with out the writing because i flattened the layers on the original. But sure i will make it again just for you, also i think it would make a good wallpaper too

I don't get it
>>6825712
>>6825698

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>>6825722
just having fun

How do you even tell if your e.val is micronized.

>>6825708
I put it between the cheek and the gum because stays there longer and doesn't get diluted by saliva. I've noticed that the 'estrogen high' (where your anxiety goes away) lasts way longer now.

>>6825806
>estrogen high
so thats what they call it...

how long did it take your gender therapist to prescribe you hormones

>>6825843
~6 sessions, so 3 months. A acceptable time i think.

>>6825540

You don't want to expose the pills to moisture, which might reduce their shelf life.
If you really want to just do like a few weeks worth at time. You could probably add a "DO NOT EAT" desiccant silica gel packet thing if you have any lol.

>>6826146
Protip: eating the DO NOT EAT packets won't actually kill you.

Has anyone switched from cypro to bical? Im planning to switch fro. 25mg cypro to 25-50mg bical. Do i need to ween off it first or the next day i can just make the switch?

How to unload xtra meds?

I am giving up, have roughly $100 of spiro & estro

Would like to recover some of that cost.

Which sites sell micronised Estrogen tablets?

>>6827264
Tell me your story, friend

>>6827204
How long you been on cypro? worried about fertility?

>>6825806
This.
Or put it between upper or lower lip and gum, if that makes sense. Like the same place someone would put tobacco chew/dip or snus. There is a reason they put I there.

>>6827373
Are you supposed to put it under the tongue or just next to the gum?

>>6827284
Short version...

Dysphoria for long time.

Just started taking meds. Self admin

I just gave up... not worth the trouble or heartache. Just gonna bury her deep down.

>>6827389
Most people say that even if they don't pass or present etc. that they feel better just taking the meds

>>6805620
You're pretty as fuck do it asap

Can I get some advice on my situation?

For background, I am a senior in HS planning on self medding later in the school year before I finish.

What I have gathered so far is that I should take cyproterone 50 mg along with some kind of E. I could take spiro, but I have heard bad stories about its side effects. I'm not sure what the implications of taking different types of E.

What is the effect of beginning to use progesterone cream and should I do it? I'm not sure of timelines in regards to switching to injections or starting progesterone but I was hoping I could learn that. My goal is to have a cheaper regimen, lowering cypro after several months.

I am also not sure of which provider to go with online or how to pay for it. My parents are unsupportive and can see my spending on my debit card until I turn 18. I have a job and savings , but I'd like to not make the HRT public until I have effects I can show so they may be more supportive.

If anyone can provide any insight here, it would be very helpful.

>>6827409
>until I turn 18.
underage b&

>>6827389
How long have you been on the meds?
This anon is right, you know >>6827393

It is far better to be rid of testosterone and the shit feels and shitty bodily stuff, it's far better than nothing.

You could even be able to go femboy mode, which has a shitload of perks and is infinitely better than being a normal dude. Some people even wind up finding out they're fine with that and lose their dysphoria entirely by the time their bodies have been affected enough to go femboy mode.

Just keep taking the meds, if you haven't been on them long you haven't seen their benefits yet. Wait until like 2 years in before you judge the meds. You could easily find that even if you don't pass, the changes they bring make your life livable and take your dysphoria either down to a manageable level, or get rid of it entirely.

>>6827421
>Wait until like 2 years in before you judge the meds
so after you become sterile?

>>6827284
For 2 months on cypro. I heard that bical helps with body hair the best and thats my biggest prob

>>6827421
That was actually my plan when I ordered.

Ifgaf about sterility.

Bica is twice the price of Cypro, fucking hell

https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/p-98-calutide-50mg-tablets-bicalutamide.aspx

>>6827409
Here's some advice, it worked for someone I know who started at 16:
-Get a job somewhere that gives you a debit/credit card in order to receive your paycheck. Example: Wendy's
-QHI.co.uk charges your card through another site and shows up as a company called "NUBRAIN" which you might be able to explain away somehow. You might want to google them first and see what shows up, to see what your parents could find out. If it works okay, come up with some story about what you bought.
-Progesterone should wait until after you've been taking the hormones for a year
-50mg cyproterone is a perfectly fine starting dose, and you will indeed be able to lower the dose over time. I started at 50mg and am now at 25, maybe with potential for going to 12.5mg soon.
-Injections are actually pretty cheap but as an under 18 year old you may have difficulty getting the needles. You can order the syringes/needles online, and they won't check ID, it'll just be in a big box and might have medical-style labeling on it. If your parents checked the package or found them they'd also think you're a hard drugs user or something, it'd definitely force you to blow your cover.
-Do you have some sort of shipping down? Have you prepared for the possibility that even with your shipping going somewhere other than your house, that your parents likely have zero respect for your privacy and will one day just go through your shit like it's nothing, finding your pill stash? This is how that 16 year old I know got found out (they're 17 now and actually got their official prescriptions yesterday after much fighting with gatekeepers). Luckily for them it went okay, but who knows how it'd go for you.
-QHI.co.uk will take visa and mastercard. I think they also take cash in various forms, if mailed in the right way. Read up on the payment methods on their website.
-This might not work, but try using a prepaid visa card to buy the meds. Your parents won't be able to check that.

>>6827428
>actually wanting to knock up a girl and spread your tranny genes

>>6827465
You only need to take 25mg of bica every other day.

>>6823422
my endo started me on 2 2mg estradiol a day and was wondering if I should split them between the morning & bedtime or not

>>6827467
Thanks so much for your help, I'm gonna have to figure something out

>>6827467
Going to add:
I would advise just going with progynova to start out with, rather than injections, as the only place who sells the injection vials for a reasonable price (e.g. less expensive than taking progynova) would be alldaychemist, and they don't take cards, all their payment methods basically require you to be 18.

So I've tried taking estro under the tongue. How long does it take to dissolve? Like, Christ. I even had a tiny bit of saliva under there and was sitting waiting for over 10 minutes. My jaw even started to hurt.

>>6827489
Yes, try to do one every 12 hours. So if you're up at
6AM for example, one at 6AM and one at 6PM would be ideal.

>>6827496
people ITT are saying you're not supposed to take it under the tongue but outside the teeth area

so between the gum and lips or gum and cheek

>>6827467
Yeah I'm in a job right now saving all the money I can get. Thanks for the advice, I may try that. If I get a PO box there wouldn't be an issue I think, and I can just keep all my shit hidden in my car. I have a few thousand saved so I should have enough to at least start. My goal is to get accepted to some university where I move out; this house is really hostile at the moment.

>>6827492
I did not intend on starting with injections lol, I was referring to later on down the line. I'm gonna start with pills as they're easy to self med.

So is Bica completely superior to Cypro?

>>6827523
Depends on your view.
It is a silent and complete antiandrogen, meaning it doesn't do anything but block your androgen receptors, however it doesn't knock out testosterone production or stop sperm production, meaning you retain fertility on it unless taking estrogen, which may or may not make you infertile.

Cypro will over time wreck your balls, which could be seen as a massive benefit, as over time the balls will become very atrophied and require less cyproterone to maintain that. It beats bicalutamide in cost both because of this, and because it is simply cheaper in the first place. It also lowers testosterone levels drastically.

Biclautamide is known to have fewer side effects, although taking cypro myself I must say I have had no noticeable side effects so far.

Cyproterone is a partial agonist to the androgen receptors, but it's negligible, meaning it pretty much doesn't matter that it very minorly activates them.

Whether bica or cypro is superior, is entirely up to your personal taste and desires.

>>6805090
Same thing but i ran out of progynova and only have Androcur left
i'm fine for a few days right?

>>6827504
I'm not sure I understand. Can you make a image showing where?

I want to /femboy/ so hrt sounds great. I'm reading all the infos in the OP but guys...

Gyno is my only gripe with it. Anyone else want to /femboy/ by self-medicating HRT but are worried about growing massive tits?

Any ideas on handling this? I'm totally new to the board and especially this general, so I'm sorry if I am asker #432563. I just can't find info on this anywhere else :c

>>6828044
>SERM
Something I saw in the femgen threads, I don't remember what kind of meds it was though

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>>6828044
>>6828140

SERM IIRC stands for Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator. Basically they act like estrogen except in breast tissue they bind up the estrogen receptors without activating breast growth, and in fact hinder and to a degree reverse any breast growth that may be present. It's basically a way to get the benefits of estrogen without growing tits.

I'll save you the trouble of going to /femgen/ and dealing with those toxic catty fucks and give you the updated SERM guide posted in the old one.

With SERMs you can avoid breast growth and attain your femboy looks. Good luck to you.

>>6828044
>not wanting to grow cute boy boobs

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>>6825806
>>6827373
Wait so its not even under the tounge, but its in front/outside of the teeth?

can anyone explain how this works? like is there special arteries we have to aim for or something?

>>6828140
>>6828179
Oh my gosh thank you!!

I read the infographic, and see that your post also says these types of drugs "act like estrogen except in breast tissue". Does this mean that I use SERMs instead of, say, Estrofem?

Is it:
Estrogen
Anti-androgen
SERM

Or is it:
SERM
Anti-androgen

Or is it just:
SERM

Assuming I go and get the meds listed in the infographic (or otherwise similar), would I just add them in, or do they replace something?

Thanks for your help, seriously. I'm tearing up lol.

>>6828517
If you choose to add estradiol you just take it alongside the SERM and the antiandrogen.
Otherwise serm+antiandrogen will work fine.
If extra feminization minus breast growth is desired, add in the estradiol alongside the serm. The serm should feminize on its own though, alongside the antiandrogen of your choice.

>>6828605
I understand that I should bicalutamide and raloxifene are my friends and I should use both of them with my anti-androgen and, if I want Xtra fem effects, also with my estrogen.

If this is correct, then I understand totally :D

I'm surprised I can't find many others asking the question about HRT without being an actual tranny but rather just a femboy. I'm glad I got help so quickly though :)

Now I just hope IHP really does fail to check my prescription status...

>>6828487
You don't want it resting on your teeth, but in this pocket area highlighted in red.

See all those blood vessels and shit? That's why it's a great "sublingual" absorption area. It has loads of blood vessels without having loads of spit production going through it. You can do the same in the counterpart area above your front teeth, I can post another image to illustrate that if you wish.

Oral tobacco users use this area because it has loads of blood vessels and not so much spit going through it. The same benefits apply to sublingually-taken medications.

Go check out the area on yourself, it should have pockets and unless you've neglected your gums for years, there should be far more than enough room down there for the pill to sit there without touching your teeth.

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>>6828690
Fuck, forgot the picture.
>>6828658
Bicalutamide is the anti-androgen, but yes. Raloxifene and bicalutamide are your friends, and if you want

>>6828699
and if you want you can add estrogen*
Fuck I am just sucking ass at making posts tonight.

Also trust me, they will not check and they do not care about whether you have a script.

>>6828699
Stupid question, what is raloxifene and what does it do?

>>6828781
Nvm, i googled it

>>6828781
It selectively binds to and activates estrogen receptors, basically acting like estrogen minus the boob growth. It is a SERM.

>>6828179
So for a femboy, this is the advice to follow? Acquire these two drugs:
bicalutamide (antiandrogen that fucks less with your penis/balls)
raloxifene (SERM with estrogen properties that selects against tit growth)

But the instructions are unclear on one thing:
>if you quit estradiol, your T levels will spike dramatically

I can't help but wtf at that. I'm not trying to do this stuff forever. I might be ignorant on how HRT works, but isn't HRT something you eventually stop doing? I thought I'd just take some drugs for a few months and stop when I hit a point I like.

According to this infographic, I'll be spiked with T if I stop estradiol. I'm also confused about how long to be on bicalutamide for. It says "Start with just bicalutamide for up to 3 months", so do I just stop taking it entirely after 3 months/when my T levels are shot and I'm on raloxifene, or am I still taking it with raloxifene?

How do I quit raloxifene and maintain its results? If I don't quit, won't I keep getting more and more girly? I have a stopping point.

t. femboy who wants to do it right ;-;

>>6828942
If you stop you will lose any progress you've gained. HRT even for femboys isn't something you stop unless/until you decide you don't want to be one anymore. That is, if the femboy in question requires HRT to be one or wishes to remain a femboy past 23-25.

T spikes when quitting estradiol because your brain doesn't have estradiol telling it "we're covered in regards to sex hormones bro, you don't need to tell the balls to make any"
With bicalutamide it doesn't matter what your T levels are at though, because it silently blocks the receptors.

If you want to follow the bica/serm route, then you never stop taking bica and you never stop taking serms. If you stop, you remasculinize. You can't quit taking the meds and maintain the results.

If you quit, you lose it all. if you don't quit, you keep it all. If you want a kind of mid-ground then don't take serms, don't take bica (it has high rates of gynecomastia i.e. breast growth associated with it), take cyproterone instead, or get your balls removed. Don't take estrogen or anything with it. Gynecomastia may still develop but has less chance.

You will only hit a certain point in your progression of getting girlier on bica/serms and much of it can be dealt with through clothing and hair choices. If you don't try to look like a girl you probably won't look like one. Remember, it's not going to make you as girly as estrogen will. Even estrogen requires a certain starting point in order to even look what you would consider "too girly" and odds are following this guide you'll just look more youthful and feminine without looking like a girl, particularly if you're not trying to look like one.

>>6829127
I didn't know it was meant to be ongoing, but I know this now. That's okay.

So my options are:

Do not take bica+serms; take cyproterone instead (or remove balls). This will take test down a few notches with less risk of gynecomastia.

or:

Take bica+serms. Cock and balls are saved but tits have a higher chance of growing.

Option Cyproterone will get you to a "mid-ground"
Option Bica/SERMs will make you "look more youthful and feminine without looking like a girl"

Those sound identical, so am I just choosing between a decommissioned cock and a possible set of titties?

I'm sorry if I seem to be breaking your words down too harshly; I'm trying my best to understand. You're helping me very much and I'm grateful. This information is a lifesaver and is keeping me from bumping into walls.

>>6829336
Cyproterone will knock your test right the fuck out, harder than even cutting the balls off.
If you take this route, or balls-removal route, make sure to eat a diet high in vitamins, especially in vitamin D and calcium, to promote bone health, and also do frequent load-bearing exercise (meaning, go on runs and walks and do light exercise, you don't have to lift weights and such, but exercise tells your bones to keep themselves strong)

bica+serms = balls are saved, so is cock, tits have no chance of growing
bica alone = balls are saved, so is cock, tits have a chance of growing

All make you look more feminine, bica+serms give more femininity than bica or cypro alone.

>>6829376
I understand so clearly now oh my gosh :'D

I misunderstood when you said "don't take bica (it has high rates of gynecomastia i.e. breast growth associated with it)". I didn't know you meant that was only if you take it without SERMs.

So the real difference between the two options are that bica+serms will be more potent AND my genitals are saved AANDDD i don't get boobies!!

This isn't only clear, but also wonderful news! I'm so excited and happy and looking forward to how I will feel on HRT. Thank you also for the advice on vitamin-rich diets and muscle-building exercise. Don't worry, I have mountains of veggies and train pretty hard.

Seriously, you're a savior. I think I know exactly where to start, so I'll get to it. I fucking love you.

>>6829420
>So the real difference between the two options are that bica+serms will be more potent AND my genitals are saved AANDDD i don't get boobies!!
Precisely.
No boobies, more fem, genitals are saved.
Also with the bica+serm route you don't have to worry about vitamin rich diet and bone-health exercises and stuff. That's only if you went with cyproterone alone. I am glad to have been of service.

>>6829376
As well as other anon, you've given me a good idea of where to start, so thanks for your help! >>6829420
Bica can be quite expensive compared to other AAs but between you and me, they're pretty cheap on assetchemist right now. If you're taking 50mg a day then a 28 x 150mg pack will last nearly 3 months and it costs next to nothing

>>6829447
lol, i'm surprised someone else found that out, considering the massive shilling for inhouse that goes on on this board

>>6829447
assetchemist still has £6 prescription fees, but yeah, their bica is cheap

weird question

i got my hair dyed today, but it looks like shit because the color refused multiple times to take at the root, even after double bleaching. the dresser said something like "I've never seen this before, except in old people with blood pressure problems, what meds are you taking?"

then i remembered spiro works as a blood pressure med. Did spiro fuck my hair up?

>>6829589
it used to be 12 like two months ago

Anyone have any tips for ordering from asset chemist? Just request a prescription and out some bull shit in the fields?

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I go in tomorrow morning for my first appointment. I'm really scared. What should I ask them for? Or is it all just bloodwork at the start?

Please help.

>>6829765
it's per med so 12 total for e/aa

>>6830030
just say your doctor's on vacation or something, it's just a formality, they can't confirm

>>6830045
I only got one med though

>>6830054
huh, maybe they dropped it

>tfw they cut spiro price and i got 4 months for the same price as the last 2

25/month CAD is pretty good for non-covered

>>6830045
I'm either blind or they dont sell raloxifene

>>6830238
Just the brand-name stuff (Evista). Expensive tho.

>>6830800
whats the point, if you've been on cypro your balls are fucked anyway.

>>6830848
then you're already going to atrophy, and they're both pretty equal for hair, both take ages to make a significant difference.

>>6830848
Just add finasteride

>>6830890
not really

I understand it will take several months to notice any physical changes, but how quickly, and in what ways does one's mental state change when on hrt?

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>>6830905
ha
i guess they found a better source since I did that...

>>6830913
Immediately after taking the first estrogen pill you will finally feel normal for the first time in your life, but only if you are tru-trans.

>>6831094
Makes sense, is that how quickly the hormones affect your brain? I would imagine there are some instant changes and some that take a little while to build up.

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my therapist said I should bug my gp about my doses because, as he put it, there should be more growth by now as its over a year.

>>6831335
how much do you take, pham

>>6830914
they sell generics now
>>6830905
still need to pay for bica every day of your life, cypro will eventually just chemically castrate you and it's cheap af anyway, so savings

>>6831349
600 spiro 6 mg progy

>tfw resistant to estrogen
true story

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I need help, folks.

>One year HRT this month
>10 mg Cypro + 3 mg estro gel (1.5 in the morning and 1.5 in the evening)
>started taking additional Finasteride (1.25 mg a day), because fucking DHT would not go out of normal male range
>went to the endo last week
>Got the results of my blood test today
>FUCKING DHTstill in NORMAL MALE RANGE

What the fuck do i do now?

>>6831094
This happened to me. The internal voice that dictates how I should react to stimuli went away and I was organically interacting for the first time.

I think it might have come back a little though? Nah, it didn't. When will I start crying like a mofo? I'm at 3 weeks and am a little more emotional, but I've always heard that hormones are gonna turn me into an emotional mess for a while

>>6830042
>pictures that depict violence against women
Please stop posting these, because they hurt

Is it safe to be on Spiro for a month before starting Estrogen? Waiting on injections.

>>6831370
yeah, you and two other people, ever

>>6831439
Yeah, hella safe. Most people recommend this, as the estrogen won't do anything really until your T is basically knocked out, which takes a little time.

The negative effects of not having a primary sex hormone slowly accrue over the course of many years. One month is nothing.

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>>6831385
>FUCKING DHTstill in NORMAL MALE RANGE
LOL
you probably have to use dutasteride
- it's 5 times as effective as finasteride
- it also blocks two enzymes related to DHT synthesis (there are two of them and finasteride only blocks one of them)

high amount of DHT still doesn't tell anything. some people are genetically more susceptible to DHT than others (le baldness) but in conditions where one isn't normally susceptible to it HIGHER mean DHT levels are seen because it's not about how MUCH of it is there but how much cells are programmed to recognize it.

in other words, don't look at how much mean DHT you have in your blood and instead check for its obvious effects on your body like baldness or thick lower body hair

>>6831464
What does it mean if my nappies are far apart?

>working toward a femboy body for the past few years and today i found out that i have male-pattern hair loss (i'm 21)
>i had so much progress
how can i become more girly and not lose my hair?
if androgens are causing it to fall out, going on an anti-androgen might help, right?
i'll do almost anything at this point
for bonus points: how can i get meds without anybody knowing they're meds?
pls respond

I started today on 2mg progynova, 100mg spiro, self medding. Won't be able to get blood tests for over a month. When should I look at upping my dosages?

Can I get a straight answer on whether estradiol is supposed to be taken sublingually or by swallowing?

>>6831941
They usually prescribe finasteride or dutasteride for hair loss as it prevents the conversion of test into DHT. Full-blown antiandrogens like spiro, cypro or bicalutamide will usually do the trick as well. You can get any of these from inhouse or alldaychemist

>>6831869
I get mine for less than that, and on top of this you can lower your dose over time with cypro, leading ultimately to vast savings even compared to spiro. I'm at 25mg, probably going to test out 12.5mg soonish.

>>6832019
After the blood test, unless your levels turn out to be correct already (unlikely since it's a low dosage). A month is fine.

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>>6832085
Ok. Can this be taken sublingually?

>>6832125
Thank you!

Anyone else started HRT but still not told anyone, including family? I'm just trying not to think about it but sometimes it hits me a little bit like Christ what am I even doing

>>6832186
Basically any pill can be taken sublingually. Even if it doesn't enter the bloodstream that way, you will still eventually swallow it all. Might taste disgusting though.

>>6832232
I've heard some weird stuff like some are pro-drugs that need to be metabolized by the liver and changed in to the active form, though?

>>6832084
cool, thank you
will those give me boobs? i hear you're supposed to take another medication to not get boobs
and do i need to take an estrogen pill as well as an anti-androgen to actually get these effects?
i know i'm asking a lot but i'm scared and in a bit of a panic

>>6831369
Thats a lot of spiro
Why are you taking so much of it?
Body on the heavier side? Other reason? Im curious

>>6832433

>>6828179

>>6832488
i am dumb but also glad
sorry
and thank you <3

Is there a way to estimate your hormone levels without blood tests?
How do you self medders know when you've reached the right dosages?

So far im just going easy with it, but i wanna up my dosage at the second month mark. Can anything
bad happen on a 200mg spiro & 4mg estradiol daily dosage?

>>6832541
I know, they're pretty expensive though

>>6832595
The ones i've seen are like 200€ a kit
hrt can cost way less than that

>>6832631
Oh, well thats better. I'll look into it, thx

>>6830045
>>6830030
>We can only despatch your medication once we have received your original prescription. Details of where to send your prescription can be found below.

>Please be aware that when ordering and not having your own prescription will incur a £5 administration charge to cancel the order.

I see red flags. Are you telling me that I can just go ahead and place the order while saying my doctor is busy or something, and the drugs magically appear to me?

And if by some miracle this works once, I can keep getting away with it as I supply myself with more and more drugs?

>>6832832
Are you dead set on using that site? I ordered from AllDayChemist to the UK last Wednesday, and they arrived yesterday even over the bank holiday. No prescription, decent enough price. Only thing is the envelope comes with huge declarations of it being personal medicine but if that's an issue just bullshit and say it's modafinil or some shit

>>6832832
There's two options, pick "I need a prescription" when adding to cart, it'll ask you some questions and that's that (my doctor has been on vacation for months lmao)

They only need the actual prescription if you pick the I have a prescription" option.

>>6832845
Oh geez, I'm not dead set on any site. I just saw asset chemist was selling bicalutamide for cheap so I thought I'd take advantage.

Honestly though, I'll take any site that sells bicalutamide and raloxifene for an acceptable price without hassle with prescriptions and ships to Alaska. Bonus if the price is great and the shipping is quick, but I'm really just worried, borderline panicking, that this is somehow not going to work out at all.

Do these UK sites ship world-wide? Also, I fail to see how an envelope with a warning label would be an issue. Maybe I misunderstand that part.

>>6832863
It's funny how these loopholes work. Thanks for showing me how to get around that particular site, in case I settle on it.

>>6832879
I only have experience with asset chemist, but it ships to Canada so it's pretty much guaranteed to ship to Alaska.

>Also, I fail to see how an envelope with a warning label would be an issue. Maybe I misunderstand that part.
Depends on if you're out to whoever you're living with.

>>6832879
Whoa are you in Alaska? I'm in Alaska and can tell you anything you need to know in regards to shit that will ship to Alaska.

Literally just got my QHI package an hour ago. Shit ships faster than any other place I've ordered from in the past years.

IHP will ship to Alaska.

ADC will ship to alaska.

I've ordered through both in the past. Has a few stops after customs typically.
This QHI order, I placed on the 21st, and it arrived today. Fast as fuck, but they didn't ever give me the tracking numbers. Whatever though.

>>6832879
>>6832919
Additional info: I'm also an Alaskan femboy, kek.

Fucking trippy bumping into another on here.

>>6832930
>>6832879
Additional additional info:
If it says it will ship to the USA, it will ship to Alaska in basically all cases. I suggest asking companies if they ship to the US rather than asking if they ship to Alaska. In the past I have asked IHP if they shipped to Alaska, and they said "we don't ship to that country" because they didn't realize it was part of the USA. I spoke to another Alaskan to find out they actually order through IHP themselves. So worry not, if it ships to the US it ships here too.

>>6832906
Oh I get it, it's for parents/siblings/friends/roommates and stuff. Thankfully I live alone in a studio; a luxury that shields me from this issue. I sympathize with those who have to hide packages from parents.

>>6832919
Oh cool, the links in the OP work for me then. I might hit up assetchemist for their cheap bicalutamide but it's good to have options. I hope I can dance around the prescription requirements. Can you tell me what QHI is though? I'm curious and have only been lurking this board for a week now.

>>6832930
I thought you were a tranny like most others who get HRT :P but what do I know.

I did NOT think someone on this slow-ass board would be in my state and lurking the same thread just as I namedropped "Alaska".

I'm an okay femboy, but could be way better. HRT + laser hair removal + healthy lifestyle means I might even go teenmode :D

>>6832957
It's qhi.co.uk, a british company. Fast as fuck shipping, takes visa and mastercard. Pretty handy.
>I thought you were a tranny like most others who get HRT
Yeah I'm just a HRT popping femboy, I do have a tranny gf though who I met through another imageboard years ago, who happened to live here in Anchorage and just happened to be browsing that board that night.
>I did NOT think someone on this slow-ass board would be in my state and lurking the same thread just as I namedropped "Alaska".
Me neither, I didn't expect to ever see someone else namedrop "Alaska" let alone a soon-to-be pill popping femboy of all things.

Do you have a skype or steam or anything like that? If you don't mind that is. Not often that shit like this happens.

>>6832982
I'll give you my steam :D cuz i don't really have a skype yet.

Add mee~!!!

search: dev_catamite
The profile pic is Gondola with his ass in a toilet.

lol i'm paranoid about posting it but idc I want to be your friend :3

>>6832997
Added, profile pic is an anime chick holding twin p90's

>>6832997
>>6833003

Side effect warnings should read: May cause friedships.
Its so cute that this happens.

so I want to get on hrt for aesthetic reasons, but i'm failing to absorb any knowledge on what a smart self medication path would be

does anyone here want to talk with a retard on skype for a little while, just to help me understand this stuff a little better?

Someone in another thread said spiro made their acne go away, is this something all AAs do, or just spiro? also, what is this shit about potassium being bad? and same question, is that just if you take spiro? I plan to take bica.

>>6834066
Anything that reduces DHT has a good shot at eliminating acne.

>>6831369
>>6831335
your body is rejecting the hormones in an attempt to get you to realize you're not trans

>>6831306
>>6831408
you're getting memed you dinks

the mental effects are extremely subtle. when you hear people talking about "omg i feel soooo amaazing now that i took my first pill XD :3" are just getting a relief of anxiety from believing they will no longer masculinize, and they would get the same exact thing from placebo.

yes, you will probably have a lower sex drive, experience orgasm differently, and be more susceptible to crying, but hormones aren't going to "make you think like a girl," whatever that's supposed to mean

>>6834066
Spiro (and only spiro) retains potassium and flushes salt, so if you keep eating potassium at RDA or more you can get hyperkalemia and die.

It takes a lot, though, the potassium RDA is pretty high (~4.5 /grams/), I just cut to half that and haven't had problems on blood tests. Kinda annoying since potassium's in so many things though, and it's not mandatory so you have to check a lot of foods online.

I'm really new to this kind of stuff, I don't know where to start. I want to take HTR because I'm 19 years old and my face is already femenine, I don't know what kind of doctor should I visit or where to get them. Guide me

>>6834849
see
>>6804109

>>6834849
All Day Chemist
or similar site

>>6834171
I believe I said "turn me into an emotional mess," and not "make me think like a woman." Don't put words in my mouth. My sex drive is definitely different though, orgasms are a little different, and I am more susceptible to crying and feels in general. That isn't THAT subtle tbhon

>>6835333
oh sorry for not tailoring my response exclusively to the language in your post. no need to get butthurt about it

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Its kinda funny that IHP sent a little fake prescription packaged in with my meds :3

>>6835421
they did?
how realistic is it?

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