Trans Help General #120

How could i come out to my parents without being weird? I was thinking of seeing a doctor before and get an confirmation on my feelings. Also why does this feeling persist now that i've kind of accepted that it isn't so bad if i was trans, few years ago i would feel it maybe couple times a year although i was a shutin NEET which may have contributed.

>>6668303
Just tell them? Just don't make it look like you're a special snowflake

what foods can i eat to create estrogen / androgens besides soy?

>>6669258
none, hormones or bust.
natural stuff is shit for estrogen

i know but its better then nothing

>>6669280
If you're paying for it, it's a net negative. It really has no effects.

>>6669280
>>6669337 is spot on. You're paying to increase your e levels by 1% when you could be paying for HRT and increase your e levels by over 200%. "better than nothing" doesn't mean shit if you're wasting money.


Also, just in case you got your info from that 'guide' that floats around /gfd/ and trap threads (among other places), the section on 'natural' anti-androgens and hormones is useless info. And eating 10ml of semen a day will not turn you into a cute girl [spoiler]unfortunately[/spoiler].

Trans questioning male here, and I need to know: is it possible to go through HRT while still keeping my penis functional, or will hormones inevitably make it impossible for me to maintain an erection/ejaculate?

I'm sorry for asking so bluntly, but I've been agonizing over this for a while and haven't found a straight answer anywhere else.

>>6669658
the old saying goes: use it or lose it

>>6669658
You will lose some functionality, shrinking and infertility are common effects along with reduced/dry orgasms.

Maintaining an erection isn't a problem, getting one is. It's very likely you will have a reduced libido.

I want to become a trap how do I into hormones?

>>6669780
read the OP

>>6669258
none
soy doesn't work either
unless you consider eating multiple kilos per day without having T in your system
>>6669658
use it or lose it

Potentially stupid question: I just swallow the spiro and estrogen tablets whole once morning and night, is that correct?

>>6669280
>>6669258
Trying to increase estrogen by changing your diet is like trying to cure a migraine by eating imported willow bark.
Yes, it technically works, but it's expensive and there are much more powerful, cost-effective solutions available.
Yes, it's better than nothing, in the sense that .001 is better than zero but compared to the drugs' 100, its .001 is utterly insignificant.

are there any other informed consent clinics in NYC besides callen-lorde? they're "not accepting new patients" and they recommended this place called APICHA in chinatown. i don't know if they're informed consent or not. i heard of mt. sinai but their website is confusing and vague.

i'm losing my mind trying to find medical care and i want hormones ASAP without resorting to giving my bank info to randoms in vanuatu. FUCK.

I've been questioning for several months. I'm leaning towards being male, but I still have times where I feel like a girl. Am I crazy?

>>6670847

I don't live in NYC (nearby though), but I would guess if APICHA has a transgender health clinic and was recommended by Callen-Lorde, it must be informed consent as well.

>>6670627
Ideally 12 hours apart, but yes thats how it goes. Although don't just swallow the estrogen if its able to be taken sublingually ( absorbed under the tongue)

>>6670850
protip: cis people don't question their gender in any sort of depth

imagine yourself at retirement age. you're retiring with a little bit of savings, but you'll mostly be relying on social security (or your country's equivalent). you have a good wife/husband and you've been together for many years. you have a small house, but it's in a nice area.

you look at yourself in the mirror. your hair is white, your skin is sagging, your bones sometimes ache a little, but all things considered your health is good.

who do you see in the mirror?

Thanks, I needed that

>>6671482
its kind of hard for people to imagine an older version of themselves though

>>6674705
Just tried, can confirm it's pretty much impossible

yo-yoing betwen "I'm almost certainly trans nad it's not so bad" and "I can't be trans I'm just a delusional faggot"
How do you stop it in the short-term?

>>6675952
go on hrt

>>6674705
The vagueness of it is part of the exercise. That and the implied life lived.

>>6675952
Are you otherwise sane? Because cis people don't yo-yo.

>>6675958
>short term
and I'm working on getting on HRT legit, finding a therapist who might be able to help, all that

>>6675976
just depression really, but that's kinda par for the course for trans people it seems

>"Just come out and all will be fine Anon !"
Finally came out to my open-minded as fuck mom.
>"I don't understand"
>"Seeing a psychiatrist is dangerous, I don't want people to experiment on you"
>"I know some trans people, they're not happy"
>"It's too early, it's just a phase, etc."
Then pretty much just guilted me for two hours straight.
Back on massive self doubt; feeling guilty; don't have the money to self med. Fuck this.

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At what point does height start to negatively affect a trans girl's ability to pass?

>>6677007
probably something like 6'7"

>>6677007
realistically? 6'4" or so
if memeing? 5'6"

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>>6677089
>tfw 6'4"

>>6676133
You're mom would be okay with you being gay. She doesn't want you fucking with hormones.

Unless you're one of those creepy trans people who only like girls.

>>6677080
>>6677089
>tfw halfway between these 2 cutoff points
I guess we'll see what happens.

>tfw regardless of whether I pass, my height will make me a lightning rod for attention wherever I go
Fuck. I just want to blend in as a somewhat attractive but otherwise normal looking girl. ;~;
Maybe I could try moving to the Netherlands or something.

So I'm really unsure about being trans or not, will taking hormones change my line of thought to that of the gender the hormones belong to?

Is there any way to find out if you're REALLY trans?

>>6678637
Tell me if you know.

Can anyone tell me why I get sad and happy at the same time whem I'm thinking about being and living as a female.

>>6675952
Get stoned and watch sense8 and just say no every time the critical part of your brain pipes up.

>>6678587
im >>6677089 and im 5'11.75" and i pass just fine
i do live in scandinavia though
but realistically, height doesn't really impact it unless you're freakishly tall, just expect a lot of questions like "did you play volleyball/basketball/etc in high school?"

>>6679407
do you also have big hands and feet? what about shoulder width?

>>6679502
i wear a size 8 gloves, so hands are not freakishly big, but my feet are (US 12 women, 44 EU), i haven't measured shoulders but they are not very much broader than my hips are
my face is very feminine though, to the point i passed pre hrt

My testicles hurt as if I'm recovering from a kick for a straight 2 hours. I'm 1 month and 10 days on hrt. Is that a sign that my testicles are shrinking?

>Self medding
>Electrolysis lady says I should talk to endo to test my levels since I'm getting some new facial hair growth
Hah y-yeah no problem!

For real though its kinda worrying, but maybe its from the laser sessions I had before that I stopped 7 months ago, maybe those are regrowing.

>>6680896
yes

>>6681178
shit doesnt regrow with electro, so either your T levels are too high or your electro lady did a shit job

>>6681371
Yep, somethings up for sure. I have been a little suspicious that some of the follicles aren't staying dead, but we'll see whats the case after some private blood tests.

If I'm on AAs, estrogen, and fin, would using minoxidil even be worth it? My hairline's not awful, but it could be better. Just don't wanna have to rely on minoxidil for forever 'cause I've heard a lot of bad things regarding it.

>>6681658
Do not use. See this anon for reasoning:

>>6681513
>>6681676

>>6681711
But that's just saying you'll lose the stuff you gained back, not the stuff you already had. Fin works the same way in that respect.

>>6681738
Moar evidence from a recent thread:
>Oliver510: It's not hard to find many members posting on these forums, reviewers on Amazon, stating one of two events happening or both:
>1) Hair that shed after initially starting minoxidil(which is expected) did not return after continued use or after stopping use.
>2) Minoxidil not only didn't improve hair in any way, but once they stopped using it their hair loss worsened.

>What kind of fucking deal is this stuff for a 30% success rate anyway?

[1] https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/hair-loss-after-minoxidil-rogaine-permanent-worsened.100299/

>>6681818
I've seen that stuff before, but I generally ignored it since a lot of the people saying that aren't on some sort of DHT inhibitor or T suppressant, and I'm on both. It could very well be that they just continued to bald at their normal rate since Minoxidil alone won't stop or impede that.

But I guess if so many people who ARE on DHT inhibitors and T suppressants are saying not to use minoxidil, then I won't.

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FTM am I passing?

>>6681933
Is that Sam Hyde? Stop killing all those people m8.

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>>6681997
Sam has never killed anyone, he fights against bigotry

>>6681933
That's one really specifically targeted bus stop poster.

>>6682139
Just read it, wow.

Of course they don't realize the increased chance of death is a plus for trans people.

>>6682152
Yeah, or at least not a negative.

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>>6682152
When you pass this well, death isn't an option

>>6667958
Halp, i want to do a threesome with a cute Japanese tranny whore and another tranny from my local escort site. Do I just rock up, hand over dosh and fuck her in the ass while her friend fucks me in the ass/gets fucked by her. whats some fun shit i can do with tranny hookers, it will be my first time with a trans

>>6682198
Degenerate.

I'm very stuck... I'm sort of fine with being a guy at times and 80% of the time my dysphoria is barely there. It came and went a few times but since seeing a pic of Narcissa Wright on /fit/ (trying to repress myself by getting /fit/) I've had these feelings come back and they just haven't stopped.
My doctor took no notice of me when I brought it up with him since my dysphoria started "later than usual."
Any advice?

>>6681711
>>6681818

I've been using minoxidil for 6 months now (been on finn and a blocker for just as long, started hormones 2 months ago @ age 17). I've had significant hair regrowth so far (actual hair, not fuzz), the first signs of hair loss were 13 months ago.
My local GP is anti-trans (that's another story), so I'm seeing a transgender specialist and she says that as long as I'm on finn and a blocker I can stop minoxidil at any time and not lose the hair that has grown back.

There's so much conflicting information I have no idea who to believe, is there an actual answer to this or does it just differ between people?

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I want to get on HRT and i have already posted here but do i look like i could pass?

So, I came out recently to my friends and family, although my mom and my best friend had already gotten some idea of it. I also started HRT about 3 weeks ago self medding after caving into dysphoria. Unfortunately I run into daily problems because I worry a lot.
First, did I do this all to soon? I started to get these feelings in late October, but they could have possibly just been present just suppressed before that, because my strong /pol/ affiliation. Now, after starting HRT, I no longer hate myself for being trans, but I do often have times where I doubt if I am trans and worry that I might just be a confused femboy. After all that is the first direction I headed, because I figured it was better to be a femboy than trans. I just do not know what path is true. I haven't even publicly cross dressed and Ive barely had any makeup on before, but thats mostly because I am to anxious to buy makeup while looking like a guy. A lot of trans girls I talk to online had dysphoria sooner (I was 17 when mine started) and say they don't have doubts ever. Am I really trans? What should I do? Am I going to fast?

>>6682551
Yes you will be pretty

>>6682551
you got a kinda strong jawline anon but your lips are okay. The jaw will sometimes give it away though, would take high amounts of effort makeup-wise and maybe even surgery on that jaw eventually if that concerns you. Might just be fine though since lots of women do have strong jaws, side angle would help.

>>6682608
I'm similar to you op, also being far right wing, always kinda felt over effeminate since I already started with that body type. Ended up just deciding that going with the mtf idea was just what felt right, got nothing much going on anyways so may as well not waste my cute potential, that and I like cute cloths and dresses. With hrt sooner is always better then later as you may end up getting hit with baldness or something before it can stop it.

>>6682639
I was never really effeminate though, but that might just be because i was never around anyone that was. I used to be real simple in clothing, and I tried to do masc things. I cant decide wether thats because maybe i just suppressed so much and wanted to go unseen, or because Im just going through a wierd phase. Looking back on it I wish I never suppressed my life, and I kinda wish I wasnt raised by Friends who were masc and intimidating and stuff, I feel like I didn't get a life I truely wanted. I mean, I was terrified of anything even related to being fem and would refuse to wear anything that was fem... could this have actually been me wanting to be effeminate but rejecting anything to do with it because i was simply raised around strictly masculine guys?
Idk... I do know that I really like dresses and cute fem clothing now though, and I do know that now it feels good to be fem. Nearly natural and comfy, something I never felt before.

>>6682745
wanting to be cute and wear qt cloths is almost my entire reason to go mtf, I am extremely isolated socially, I go weeks without leaving the house since I'm a cripple so I didn't really have anything to lose so it was a rather fast choice since no real inhibitions besides admitting it to people and getting hrt being a bit of a hurdle. If you believe you could pass just think it over for a few weeks, most mental phases won't last that long.

>>6677007
Depends on how masculine you are otherwise; being tall doesn't hurt your ability to pass at all if you pass in every other respect. If you're tall and masculine then it hurts your ability to pass further.

Compare to tall cis women.

>>6678637
>Is there any way to find out if you're REALLY trans?
No. Honestly, that question doesn't even matter. Ignoring the problems with how you define what "really trans" is for now, more to the point is whether transitioning would benefit you. A successful transition is a successful transition regardless of whether the person is "really trans", and likewise someone who genuinely believes themselves to be trans is practically the same as an otherwise identical person who "isn't really trans". It's like the thought experiment where you assume free will currently doesn't exist, and then the world is magically changed so that everyone has free will, or vice versa, and what effect that would have; I can't imagine that there would be any observable difference at all.

>change my line of thought to that of the gender the hormones belong to
What does that even mean? They aren't going to directly make you a fundamentally different person. How differently do you think members of different genders thing anyway, and to what extent is that because of hormones and not social factors?

They're going to change your emotional state directly and via your reaction to the changes that affect how your body is and how you're treated by others, on top of everything else that comes with undertaking transition.

For me (who doubted themselves a lot but couldn't honestly say they didn't know they were trans), MtF HRT significantly reduced my generalised anxiety and made me happier and more contented with my life in general, and that's not even taking into account how the physical changes made me feel. Being more comfortable with myself (which is conflated with feeling more feminine) has also made me naturally act slightly more feminine. I'm still doubting whether I'm really trans, but it's even harder to seriously entertain the idea that I'm not at this point.

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>>6682322
>My doctor took no notice of me when I brought it up with him since my dysphoria started "later than usual."
Get a new doctor. Not because they disagree with you being trans but because rejecting the patient's concerns out of hand and not investigating further when they're not clearly 100% unfounded is unacceptable.

As you'll see many times on here: cis people don't question their gender like this, not this persistently, and not with this much distress over whether they're trans. Also, you don't have to be actively experiencing gender dysphoria every waking moment to be trans, just like you don't have to be experiencing anxiety attacks constantly to suffer from anxiety.

Narcissa also makes me really emotional. I guess I identify with her, and it gets to me how pretty she looks with well-composed pictures yet she doesn't pass under normal circumstances.

>>6682551
I think you could pass. you look like a pre-t ftm I know

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Couple of questions regarding mones:
Is it normal to get depressed when on just spiro?
My endo wants to keep me on 100mg spiro/1mg estradiol per day for ~6 months. Is that a really low dose? It seems like it.
If 100mg/1mg is low, I was thinking of upping my dosage without telling him, since I'm gonna be getting a new endo when I go back to uni. What would be a good/safe level to go up to for next month? 150mg/2mg? 200mg/2mg?
I've been on spiro for 2 months, estradiol for 1, by the way.

>>6685003
well if you're just on an AA then you really have no functioning sex hormone in your body, which is gonna fuck up a lot of things, especially mentally.

Can't help much with the rest of your post, I'm still trying to get on mones.

Ive had to stop cypro and am going to be prescribed a gnrh antagonist soon but I cant take spiro or cypro (anymore). Will the initial testosterone flare (1-3 weeks?) mess me up or hurt my transition?

Or should I just try to go for a diy castration instead, currently thinking about calcium chloride injection I have everything I need to do it here.

>>6685184
May be hard mentally, but objectively it sets you back at most as if you had started Hrt 3 weeks later, which is not much. If you were on cypro for a while, the peak will be dampened, too.

>>6685207
I stopped the cypro 2 months ago and have been on probably fake bicalutamide at 50mg for one month then 100 in the month after since then. so it will be more like 3 maybe even 4 months in total of super high T.

Nearly 25 soon as well, lost all my progress should probably just kill myself.

>>6685223
Undeniably that sucks. You know it can get better though, as you've experienced it before.

Get that blocker prescribed, get your progress back and see then, beside, if you're really on "high T" you're not in your right state of mind.

I'm looking for a job right now, I haven't held down a job since pre-transition, and such my references would only be able to reference pre-transtition me. I have had a legal name change.
How do I best deal with this without having to out myself to previous employers?
I was thinking I could talk to the new potential employer as to why it's impossible for me to leave reference (I'm trans and have changed name and in transition). Perhaps this would leave me open for discrimination.
Thoughts?

>>6685247
Ill try and wait for the blocker but I just feel like its hopeless at this point.

At least if I did the calcium injection in a week or two weeks time I might maybe be lucky enough to get an orchi and not have to face that spike in T.

Fuck why does my body have to be so fucking shit cant take anything.

>>6685267
this is an interesting question. I have no idea anon. The only thing that pops up in my mind is if you could just put down the references and hope they don't hear anything of it. Although some do background checks so they might find out. Plus did you change your gender? that could out you as well so.

>>6685293
>Plus did you change your gender
I didn't change my gender, but I'm not particularly worried about new employers knowing I'm trans, I mean they could just see my gender marker and name and deduce it quite easily.
I'm more concerned about having to call a previous employer and tell them I'm trans and changed name and going to change gender too, because I don't really see the point of those people knowing personal stuff like that about me.
Thanks for your input, appreciated!

>>6684524
Yeah, I was really annoyed as to how he treated my concerns. I see, I guess feeling this way for 4 or 5 times at the intensity I feel it means its more than a phase.

>>6669648
Gotta love dat trap aesthetics guide. I believe it said something about the consumption of semen encouraging estrogen production. It also said you have to drink alcohol to lower your T. Still gonna follow that couch to 5k routine tho, that shit's useful!

>>6685826
See the last sentence of my post, also I'm pretty sure it did say that alcohol would lower your T.

The exercises are useful (they asked /fit/ for help) but that's about it.

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is it possible to detransition after a year on hormones? this shit is too hard for me i have anxiety every day cos of it, being in public makes me want to die, i still sound and look like a boy and i will never pass/ afford FFS

>>6686175
You look pretty female to me, the voice stuff just needs alot of hard work.

>>6667958
How do I get a more feminine face?

Mine still looks so like a guy's I'm too afraid to post it.

I'm a TV and i just recently made a profile online looking for partners. I've been contacted by a lot of goodlooking mid 20-30 "hetero" men. The thing is that i'm 189cm (which i state several times in my profile.) And i got quite a big dick aswell. I feel like this really isn't spmething a straight man usually likes and it feels like it will all go to shit If i meet any of them. Does anyone have experience with this? Sorry If wrong thread.

>>6686175

Work on your voice, senpai. As a Hispanic, I can say you don't look perfect, but you're pretty good. Are you done with hair removal above your lip?

>>6686175
>detransition
I think the technical term for that is anhero.

>>6686303
no i dont get alot of facial hair at all anymore tho. the swedish gov pays for laser but they take forever to evaluate your case,i contacted them in october 2015 and im still waiting

How do I tell my parents my gf is mtf. They would not disown me or anything drastic but my dad would be extremely pissed and accuse me of being gay. My mother would be fairly understanding because she's understanding towards trannies, but would probably still think I'm gay or it's some weird fetish thing.

>>6667958

why are trans people so obsessed with their physical appearance? its not possible to change your sex... does it ever bother you guys that in everyone of your cell nuclei exists a chromosome that defines your sex?

If I was trans I would just accept my body and still try to change my gender by being like a campy gay dude instead of some half-spawn artificially transformed body.

>>6686175
you look pretty male to me but those whiteboys can't tell because they are only attuned to tell white men/women apart

t. an actual Hispanic person who knows my fellow Hispanic people

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>>6686175
you got great potential compared to all white trannies on this board but you obviously don't look like you have been trying at all tbqh familia

seriously do you even mousse (your hair)

Sup guys, mtf here
at 3 months hrt, my dick was starting to smell like a vagina.
Now at 5 months I just felt down there, and it smells like a regular man's dick again. Should I be concered about this?

>>6686341
I would go over the positives and negatives of telling them, and def talk to your gf.
If you really feel the need to tell them, understand that their feelings are not your fault.

>>6686443
You should be getting your hormone levels checked every 3-6 months. Get them checked then adjust your dose accordingly.

>dick was starting to smell like a vagina
That scent is just heavenly.

>>6686482
I've been at the max dose of 200mg spiro since 2 months.

>>6686494
That should be plenty. Might need more E?

Should probably still get levels tested just in case.

For whatever fuck reason I'm out of my usual 10mg of delestrogen this week. The 5ml bottle only came with like 4ml of liquid estrogen. This didn't happen with my last refill, in fact I had some left over. It would be hard to mess up my dosage this bad so I have no idea how this happened. My pharmacy won't be able to refill my prescription for at least another few days.

Anyone else been in this situation? Can I just safely switch to my leftover oral estrogen pills instead for a while?

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>I will never be a girl

>>6690414

If you flip it upside down, it looks like a woman and her man laughing at a sad tranny.

But what was the name of the original comic? I'd like to compare this edit with the original panel.

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>>6690441
Dunno if it has a name, but this is the original.
[spoiler]I did the shoop a few months ago btw[/spoiler]

>>6685003
That is a low dose. However, it could be fine depending on what your levels are. I've seen few people going below 2mg oestrogen. 200mg/2mg is safe.

When exactly are you changing endos? If you're going to stay with this one for a while you probably wouldn't want to make it look like the dosage he's got you on is fine when his prescription alone isn't really enough. Honestly, if you get a blood test and your levels are wrong then that should speak for itself and he should change the dose (or if they're right then you don't actually need to increase it; either way). If he refuses to change the dose after blood tests showing he should then you can start supplementing it.

How frequent are your blood tests?

>>6686283
>This is the Trans Help General thread. We'll try to help you here with everything related to being transgender.
This is not the thread. Ask the gay general or something.

Actually straight guys are not going to be okay with male crossdressers. If you clearly state you're male and have a picture I don't see how they can legitimately complain if they meet you though (it's not as if they should be expecting you to be female or pass as female), not to say that it couldn't go to shit anyway. You should probably explicitly ask them if they're okay.

>>6686341
If you aren't forced to because she doesn't pass or because they'll inevitably find out, then there's no reason to (and as you've stated, there are disadvantages). If your girlfriend wants you to do it then talk her out of it.

Probably the longer you maintain a relationship with her the more accepting they'll be, because it will seem more like a "real" relationship and not some fetish hookup, and they'll build an impression of her as a girl. If they really hate trans people though then that might end up just making it worse, like it's more of a betrayal or something.

If you can explain about what being trans actually is that would help.

>she's understanding towards trannies
and
>would probably still think I'm gay or it's some weird fetish thing.
shouldn't really exist together unless she doesn't understand it.

>>6691050
>When exactly are you changing endos?
End of August, and I'm gonna be sticking with my uni's endo until about mid-May.
>How frequent are your blood tests?
I had one about two months ago right before I started spiro, and I haven't had one since.

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For calorie calculators like TDEE is it more accurate to use what you were born as, or what you are transitioning into?

>>6691861
hormones change stuff like that so if you're long enough on HRT with good levels, pick the one you're transitioning to

Are transdermal T patches effective? I'm not trans but I feel like I may either have low T, or T-receptors that aren't very sensitive to it. Do these usually come with a prescription or is it possible to just enter a pharmacy and ask for a pack?

How can I differentiate between self loathing with an idealization of the opposite gender and gender dysphoria?

>>6692416
I'd like to know as well since reading about stuff like gender dysphoria gives me even more vague idea what's it supposed to be and makes me even more confused, thankfully i'm seeing a professional in a few months (hopefully.)

. From the outside, I'm what people would stereotypically consider attractive. Female, long hair, kylie jennerish in appearance. But I dont feel that way. I dont always want to wear makeup and dresses. I want to be a man but im scared I wont find a life partner accepting of me. The men I'm interested in want a woman. And most gay men I know are extremely flamboyant or masculine. I can't seem to find anyone laid back like jefree star's boyfriend nathan for example. Their relationship doesn't need labels.

>>6692928
What exactly do you want to hear from us? It's extremely hard to find someone when you have very explicit tastes that are outside the norm. Being transgender usually just further narrows your options. You might die alone.

As a somewhat built 6'1 male, what woman size would fit me?

I want to buy myself some stockings, panties and bra which come together but they have some confusing sizes like 36-38, 38-40, etc

>>6692928
Just get some tumblr fag that is nonbinary "pansexual" LUL

>>6693004
Ftm trans looking to find someone thats not a stereotype is outside the norm?

>>6693014
I'm 6'0. I get 38-40, but it depends on how fat you are. Also why stockings? Don't be a sissy, that is totally out.

>>6693020
Yes. What world do you come from? Trans in general is out of the norm and stereotypes exist for a reason.

>>6693031
Lgbt in itself is not the norm so why are you here if all you want to do is discriminate

>>6693025
Stockings because it's my fetish.

Are you skinny yourself if you fit in 38-40?

>>6693036
I'm skinny, but I'm on HRT so I have a butt, but not too large.

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>>6693035
Are you literally brain damaged? I'm not discriminating against you, these are facts. Welcome to the real goddamn world. If you want someone to tell you everything is gonna be daijoubu then you head on over to Susan's or tumblr or reddit. I'm not going to sugar coat this, pal. Being trans makes your life harder. You're a shithead if you don't believe that and you're an entitled, sheltered twat if you think the world is going to bend over backwards to accommodate us.
You will have a harder time finding a partner.
You will have a higher chance of dying alone as a result.
If you don't like that I'm terribly sorry but that's the world we're living in.
>hurr LGBT is NORMAL!
It's not. LGBT is a minority, especially T. Not saying normal is perfect or better, but there's more normal than abnormal. That's how it works.

Cypro or Spiro?

>>6694888
>compare costs
>Google side effects
>pick least objectionable cost and side effects
If you're poor, spiro probably wins. If you're not cypro probably wins. Depends on (You)r personal feelings regarding your liver and kidneys though.

>>6694925
Regardless of cost or side effect, I've been reading alot lately that Cypro is much more effective tan Spiro. I was just wondering if there was truth to that

How old is too old to go on HRT?

>>6695285
Dead is too old. But it's better to start sooner to maximize results, the pace at which you acquire those results, and the time you have to live with them.

>>6695050
Not them but no. With proper dosing both will do their job and nuke your testosterone.

>>6695050
>>6695378
Er, I suppose the word I should have used was either. Please do not take both.

>>6695365
The only non-meme, non-fucking-arbitrary muddled answer.

Is it possible to be truly transgender, but also suffer from a personality disorder like BPD? I am infinitely happier as a woman, have a boyfriend I (usually) love very much who also supports me. However, I've been going through a really bad time recently and many people have suggested that I speak to a therapist about Borderline Personality Disorder, but I've read a lot about BPD combined with gender dysphoria and I'm worried that I won't be able to get the help I need because of those two things in conjunction.

Anyone have any info on this?

If you're an ugly MtF that has already transitioned and going back is not an option, is there any reason to keep living?

>>6695589
To make the world suffer for doing this to you.

>>6695596
I'm over 30, I'm fat and ugly. I can pass. Even though I'm ugly people get surprised when they see the m on my drivers license or when I had to give my boy name before having it changed they would question if that was my actual name.

But what's the point? I can never go back in time and grow up experiencing the most important half of my life as a girl, developing as one and being raised as one by my parents, peers, and environment.

Aren't I just a broken man after transitioning this late?

>>6695639
>Aren't I just a broken man after transitioning this late?
No, anon. As long as you know in the depth of your soul that you were meant to be a woman, then you're a woman. Please hang in there.

>>6695639
Let them share in your torment. Take their childhoods away. Their parents, their peers, their environment. Main them, disfigure them, chain them up and force feed them into obesity. You should only die if you hate the world and you should let the world know why you hate it so much before you leave. Bring them a taste of your unique flavor of suffering and maybe they'll think twice before letting it happen to someone else.

If that's not for you... well maybe you should buck up buttercup. Ugly women can have fun too. Take up a hobby you find interesting or turn your career into a passion.

>>6695858
>da fuq is this?

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>>6695858

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hey guys. i'm 19 and female, and i feel like time is running out for me to transition to male. but i only have the kind of "dysphoria" as the MtFs who were beta men and felt like they'd never be happy otherwise

>tall, pass as a boy when lazy, or seen as MtF when trying
>don't fit in with girls
>most men are put off by me
>feel completely socially ostracized and miserable
>hate how the public sees me as a woman freak, hate misogyny which i could escape, feel like a monster that could be a handsome guy
>enjoy socializing when seen as male

but

>no physical dysphoria when i'm alone

i don't know what to do, it feels like transition will make me feel trapped in a body, but like this i'm miserable too

I'm a scatterbrain so please excuse any rambling or whatever.

Whenever I leave my house I keep having episodes in where I feel like i'm popping out of my body, and I get super distracted and practically go braindead. I feel like i'm dead and just watching everything around me go by and going on auto pilot. It's pretty unsettling and it's affecting me mentally. I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the gender dysphoria I feel daily? I mean it would make sense

Are you still trans if you want to keep your dick?

>>6696528
Yeah that's not a factor.

>>6696535
>>6696528
Is this a bad joke. No, you can't be okay with a penis, because a cis woman wouldn't be okay with sprouting a penis. Being a gender is first the body dysphoria, then the social part.

>>6696477
are you fat?

>>6696546
what if you would rather have a penis than a gaping hole with no purpose that at best looks like a vagina from a distance if you squint, and at worst is a pile of skin with a hole in the middle

I'm the person whose doctor took next to no notice of my dysphoria a while back. If I'm able to arrange sessions with a gender therapist, would their recommendation from what I tell them override the opinion and evaluation of my GP?

>>6696565
No dysphoria around the dick is different than choosing dick over a neovag. The way OP phrased it sounds like he wants to be a girl in all respects but the genitals. He wouldn't be trans if this is true.

>>6696565
This is exactly why i'm asking. If it wont be fully functioning it's pointless to get rid of my dick. I'll just deal with my defective post-hrt dick. Also A E S T H E T I C S

>>6696558
no, i'm underweight kek

>>6696566
I think so? Unless you live in a country where healthcare is really weird.

>>6696566
>gong to a GP for dysphoria

k e k how much money did you waste on that trip

Hey, I've been transitioning for about eight months now (mtf), living far away from family who don't know about it since I keep a masculine voice on the phone and never use social media. A relative recently died and they all want me to come back and go to the funeral, but the problem is that I already look quite feminine and it would raise a lot of questions and probably stones, lots and lots of stones (yay for having a fundamentalist family). Anyone have techniques for hiding feminine traits?

>>6696769
A beard? Also a loose fitting suit I guess

>>6696769
What traits need hiding?

>>6696546
Genital dysphoria is actually not the most universal trans experience, and discounting all other experiences because that part is different is just dumb. For example, feeling distress from your masculine bone structure while feeling neutral about your dick is not social dysphoria. Different people are different so let's not throw each other under the bus.

>>6696566
Your GP most likely doesn't know even half of what they think they know about trans topics. So yes.

>>6696842
Yes. There's real transgender people, with dysphoria about their genitalia, which is the foremost difference between men and women. Then there's people who watch too much anime, or like women's clothing, and get deluded into thinking they're transgender.

>>6696854
If you've at all listened to just the various people on this board you'd know that your personal definition of trutrans + anime + cd do not cover the breadth of experiences that lead people to transition. But it seems like granting people even that lies beyond your theory of mind.

>>6696854
okay hon

>>6696883
>>6696888
Physical dysphoria is the first requirement of being transgender. This will always include the genitals.

Many things can cause a person to want to transition. But without genital dysphoria, there's always going to be a different primary cause - whether it's hatred of gender roles, abuse, misogyny, and so on.

You're one of the tumblr kids who really believes hating gender roles means someone is transgender, though. You'll always cover your ears and cry trutrans, because transitioning is an easy bandage to slap over deep rooted issues in non-dysphoric people.

>>6696913
>You're one of the tumblr kids who really believes hating gender roles means someone is transgender

No I'm not and no I don't. I meant what I said.

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>>6696913
>Physical dysphoria
>This will always include the genitals

>>6696921
Explain to me how someone can be transgender without having physical dysphoria.
Or, explain how someone with physical dysphoria can lack genital dysphoria, if that's your argument. Cisgender means comfortable with your sex. A cisgender person would be extremely upset if they woke up with the other sex's genitals. Explain why this logic doesn't apply to your argument.

>>6696939
If an AMAB hates their bone structure, body hair, height, wants breasts, is terrified of balding, but doesn't really mind their penis they have physical dysphoria without genital dysphoria.

>>6696939
Off the top of my head I can recall three otherwise cis guys making threads about how they wish they had a vagina and if it's possible to get one without hormones, etc. I have a good friend who's told me in confidence she'd prefer to have a dick. Among my trans friends and acquaintances there's a whole spectrum of experiences and attitudes.

If you stop jamming everything you come across into predetermined categories you'll start to see that there's a lot of variety. But I guess it's easier to just dismiss people as irredeemably confused.

>>6696501
Depends on exactly how literally you mean it. Severe depression or discomfort with your body from gender dysphoria can cause feelings of dissociation, but more extreme dissociation could be a sign of some other mental disorder. It's impossible to tell what it is from just your post. You should see a doctor about it.

>>6696913
So physical dysphoria is only valid if it applies to literally all of the sufferer's sexual characteristics? Genitals aren't really special, even if some people might conceptualise them as "the epitome of masculinity/femininity"; they're a sexually dimorphic body part like anything else.

How much does someone even have to dislike their genitals before they qualify as "actually trans", in your eyes?

If someone was cripplingly dysphoric and suicidal over all of their masculine features but didn't mind their genitals, and transitioned happily and successfully without needing SRS after those features were addressed by HRT or surgery, then would they not be trans?

>>6696969
Okay, I didn't piece together what I was saying well. That person would be seen by others and labelled as transgender, but they aren't transgender in the sense that being trans is in and of itself the core root of the dysphoria.

The "born trans" idea is that someone comes into the world with a brain map for the body of the opposite sex. This brain map obviously includes genitals. Otherwise, people born with the right fit (cis) would be perfectly fine with waking up with different genitals. It's possible the brain map could be fragmented so there's only partial dysphoria but it'd be very rare. If you try to explain being trans caused by other sources, than you basically rob it of its validity. Ex: "it's caused by trauma - just go to therapy!" "it's caused by gender roles - why mutilate your body because asshole ppl won't let you wear skirts?"

So, whenever people come into these threads claiming no problem with their dicks, I won't see their decision to transition as a good one. They're harming themselves - because they aren't really trans, when the effects start to hit, real anguish will start.

>>6697000
> It's possible the brain map could be fragmented so there's only partial dysphoria but it'd be very rare
> it'd be very rare
That's one hell of an assumption, and your whole reasoning is based on it.

>>6696975
That's way too broad and anecdote filled for me to really reply.

>>6696992
Genitals are a primary sexual characteristic, things like voice and breasts are secondary. They are the number one physical difference between men and women. A cisgendered woman would develop that crippling dysphoria if she sprouted a penis. Because she is a woman, and wants a vagina. Someone can't claim to be a woman while being okay with having a penis.

They have to feel dysphora towards their genitals. I understand if they don't want surgery due to costs or complications and such.

No. If they wanted to be a woman, they'd have problems with their genitals.

>>6697013
.3% of people are transgender. If it's a brain map thing, how big of the percentage could possibly have a further complication?

>>6697017
Possibly big. The most we know is that some structures of trans people's brains are more like the opposite sex, but how that affects "brain map" is unknown.

>>6697033
Yeah, that does make sense actually. I read a lot about people who've regretted transition, especially in states where there are no barriers... I want to make sure people think critically about why they're pursuing transition first. They could be born with the need for it, or it could be other causes, it's already a very difficult thing to figure out, and common attitudes on being trans make it harder. For example, a mother who says her 3 year old kid is trans because he wants to play with dolls. I'm still unsure about what I am and how to filter the garbage out from what's genuine dysphoria.

I'm going to bed, it was nice talking with you anon have a good Monday.

>>6697033
>The most we know is that some structures of trans people's brains are more like the opposite sex
I thought this was a meme and studies are inconclusive

>>6697056
>a mother who says her 3 year old kid is trans because he wants to play with dolls
this doesn't actually happen and even if it did no one is going to give hrt to a fucking 3 year old so why does it matter??

>>6697016
>Genitals are a primary sexual characteristic, things like voice and breasts are secondary.
That doesn't necessarily have any bearing on the impact it would have on gender dysphoria. A beard and a penis are both things which are exclusive to males, but you're saying that only the penis is the be-all end all. Am I right in thinking you have have dysphoria over every sexual characteristic to be trans? If not then why are genitals so important?

You could make an argument for other features being more significant, since genitals can be hidden and mostly ignored, and you can still effectively be "a girl with a penis", whereas it's much harder to genuinely think of yourself as a girl when you obviously look like a man. To many trans people, looking in the mirror and seeing a face that feels like their own is far more important than their genitalia, and their genitalia doesn't affect their day to day lives like a fundamentally incorrect bone structure would, for example.

>No. If they wanted to be a woman, they'd have problems with their genitals.
So the crippling dysphoria about everything else is coincidence then? Where is that coming from if not transsexualism? It's not body dysmorphic disorder, and if it's severe enough you can't put it down to social factors because no-one wants to kill themselves for years and specifically hates their sexual characteristics just because girls get treated nicer or because of the patriarchy or whatever (especially clearly when trans people in these circumstances can explicitly say they don't care about any of that and are only bothered by their body).

>They have to feel dysphora towards their genitals.
So, just some dysphoria, no matter how severe? Is that what you meant? Do you see the problem with declaring there's a hard cutoff between people who are "really trans" and who aren't?

>That's way too broad and anecdote filled for me to really reply.
Your statements don't even have anecdotal evidence going for them.

>>6697073
>this doesn't actually happen and even if it did no one is going to give hrt to a fucking 3 year old so why does it matter??
Yes it does happen. The term "trans" is diluted and meaningless at this point, and you have people going around seriously claiming that not conforming to gender roles makes you trans (even if they're technically correct in the loosest definition of the word).

Incorrectly interpreting a child being "trans" to mean they're actually transsexual and need some sort of intervention or different treatment over it can be harmful even without giving them drugs. Generally perpetuating misinformation about transsexualism (to people other than the child, since the parents are probably going to talk about it to someone) is also bad. Telling a kid growing up they're "trans" when they're not (leading them to come to their own conclusions and be confused by other definitions of the word), or semi-forcibly raising them as the opposite sex, or telling their school or friends about it and insisting on special treatment, or many other things which could end up being done based on stereotypes and misconceptions could clearly be harmful to the child.

>>6697151
>Am I right in thinking you have have dysphoria over every sexual characteristic to be trans?
*Am I right in thinking you believe you need to have dysphoria over every sexual characteristic to be trans?

Is coming out on Facebook considered a bad move? Like, I get that it can seem attention seeking and impersonal, but I have a lot of friends on there who I rarely see, or will probably never meet irl because they live in other countries. Should I be concerned about how it might make me look like an attention whore? Or just not care and use it as the quickest route to get this over and done with to as many people as possible instead of having to repeatedly come out to groups individually?

>>6697219
Yes you should be concerned about that because it's pretty much the first thing that comes to mind when people make a public announce like that. I wouldn't do that.

I don't know what to do about me being nonbinary. I am getting to that point where I am going to get into a career, start becoming a proper adult, so my gender will be more important than before. Certain dress codes, mr or mrs, etc.

Is it possible to present as gender neutral in a professional setting or should I present as male?

I don't wanna present as male but it's slightly more appealing than presenting as a woman. But then I couldn't wear skirts or cute clothes to work. Crossdressing by guys is still probably against regulation. And what if I dress in a nice masculine fashion at work but a co-worker seems me in a dress outside of work? That'd be...

I'm stumped. There's not much out there for genderqueer adults after college. I don't wanna fool myself into believing everyone will use they/them pronouns for me, and I don't have the confidence to brush everything off.

>>6697276
If you are nonbinary you shouldn't care that much about pronouns. Wear male clothes for work unless you are absolutely sure that you can get away with otherwise. Don't throw away a job or carreer for something like this. You can still look very very good while dressed as male even in a professional environment.

About your co-worker seeing you outside work, that really shouldn't be a problem.

>>6697296

What? Nonbinary people care a lot about pronouns.

>>6697331
maybe if you are from tumblr

>>6697465

Tumblr is like the only forum for nonbinary people. I don't pay attention to that part of the site much though. They're too soft, they're just gonna say stuff like "Use what pronouns YOU like, wear what YOU like, screw others opinions!" and I don't want that. That's not how our society works. It would be ideal if I could do that but it's not happening any time soon. I'd get ostracized and teased to bits.

>>6697569
that's because nonbinary is a meme gender is actually isn't real
tumblr seems to embrace those things

>>6697017
>3% of people are defective
>how likely is it that they have more than one defect?
Considering that there's a substantial portion of trans people with mental illnesses, I'd say the odds are pretty good.

>>6698173
if nonbinary isn't real, then how come i exist?

check mate, uniscum

>>6698674
you made it up to be a special snowflake

>>6697276
There is definitely a trade off between "professionalism" and androgynous presentation, which may be very steep depending on your line of work.

You kinda have to define what's your limit in term of loss of employability, and, on the other hand, loss of personal comfort, first. How much (in litteral $) is your presentation worth to you. That kindof of stuff.

>M(tF?)
>18" shoulders
>5'8"
>men's 9 1/2 shoes (US)
>stupid big hands
So, that's it then? Even if hormones go perfectly and I get every surgery in the book I'm fucked?

How do I know if I'm trans or simply have AGP? I've always liked the idea of being pretty and objectified to some degree but always in a feminine sense. People always compliment me on my legs (girls have told me on several occasions that they're jealous of them, I've been told I have a nice 'box gap' too) and these comments have always meant more to me than when people have complimented me for actual accomplishments. At the same time I don't really consider myself female but having a dick just doesn't feel right for me, I want a vagina and no breasts... When my boyfriend blows me I pretend the spot under the tip of my cock is a my clit; I can't get off with the mentality of it being a blowjob. Seeing a psychologist in two weeks because I just can't handle this shit anymore...

>>6699406
>or
Why not both?

>>6699239
>>5'8"
>>men's 9 1/2 shoes (US)
this isn't even that bad
shoulders and hands are bad though
but you can pass if your face is good
not 100% of the time, but nobody does

>>6699239
Women vary hugely. Take a look at this. https://www.caloriecount.com/forums/health-support/average-shoulder-width-woman-whats Just random women reporting their measurements. It's gonna be ok lil nigga you can do it.

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>might be transgender
>might just want to be an anime girl
Should I kill myself or what?

>>6699748
yeah
kys

>>6699783
I mean I was hoping it wouldn't come to that.

>>6699798
sorry

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>>6699748
>being a trans girl
>wanting to be an anime girl
Don't worry about the latter invalidating the former.
If someone is either of those things then there's like an 80% chance they're the other as well.

>>6700019
Yeah but I'm in a chicken and the egg situation. If I just want to be an anime girl that's fine. If I'm transgender then I have a problem.

It might be a few months before I can get HRT legit, and I don't 2want to fully start until I've lost some weight anyway, but would self-medding an AA accomplish anything in the meantime?
Slow the growth of facial hair at least?
Any consequences of taking an AA without estrogen for long periods?

>>6700051
You can do something if you're trans (namely transition), if you just want to be an anime girl you're really fucked because you can't become one.

>>6700880
Well I mean if I want to be an anime girl I can just immerse myself in anime and dump money into simulation techloligy. If I want to be a real girl I'm basically fucked and have to dump money into surgeries to get kinda close. I need a litmus test, but instead of acidic or basic it's autogyne-ephebophiliac weeaboo or transgender. I didn't find one in the sticky.

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>>6699748
I'm a anime girl NEET who likes wearing dresses when no one is looking.

Wearing dresses to bed is the best.

>>6700921
A lot of people try to brush off their trans feelings as "just a fetish".
(Not that you're necessarily trans, but it sounds like there's a good chance you are.)

If you could go back and restart your life, except you'd be born as an average-looking girl, would you?
If you could wake up with a cis girl body tomorrow, and everyone you know doesn't question it and remembers you as always having been a girl, would you do it?

>>6701074
>it sounds like there's a good chance you are
On what grounds? Is wanting to be anime girl really a legitimate symptom? Can I see you license again, doc?

Yes to both of your hypotheticals, but we both know it's a little bit more complicated than that.

>>6699239
>>men's 9 1/2 shoes
>like that's a bad thing

fuck you anon

>>6701091
>On what grounds? Is wanting to be anime girl really a legitimate symptom? Can I see you license again, doc?
Calm down, ma'am.
I wasn't officially diagnosing you. I'm just saying that despite what /pol9k/ may have told you, anime can't "make you trans", although trans girls quite often use anime as an escapism from their trans feelings.

>Yes to both of your hypotheticals,
Cis guys don't think like that.

>but we both know it's a little bit more complicated than that.
True.
Being trans fucking sucks, but if a trans person puts off transitioning, then they'll only make things worse and regret it later.

what's the best way to ignore that I wish i was a girl


videogames and anime don't do it anymore
reading doesn't either
and when I try to zone out or daydream it just comes back to me not being a girl and wanting to die

I'm trans and with unsupportive parents. I just turned 18 with another year of HS. I'm 5'8" 145 and want to cut more weight.

Can you give me some advice regarding how to self med without making it obvious? I was thinking of starting around January, but what brands can have the function of an anti androgen without feminizing? Obviously I intend to go on E but I would like to not show effects while still in this house. How can I get this online discreetly?

>>6701188
YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR.
My theory is that I just hate myself a lot and anime made me think being a girl would be better because anime girls are near perfect 95% of the time.

I guess it's not normal to want to be a girl but I'm not trying to tell if I'm normal or trans. Normal is way off the table.

The downsides of transition really are horrible. Especially if I don't end up passing and it's all for naught. If I don't have to do it, I'd really like to not do it.

>>6701193
Lobotomy. Being a girl (transitioning).

anybody got a good guide for waxing/epilating (good routine etc.)? im sure ive seen one around here before but i cant seem to find it

I just opened a new thread, and was directed here, so I'll just copy paste:

Hello everybody. I'm extremely confused. I just discovered I might be trans, as in I really just dicovered it. I've never had this kind of thoughts, but I digress, I'll start from the beggining. I'm a 23 year-old biological male, and I have been crossdressing for about 3 years now. At first, I only did it for the arousal, so it never crossed my mind I might actually be a girl, but I've been feeling happier and happier when I do it, to the point where putting on a skirt makes my day in a way not many other things do. Also, I've been feeling more emotional than normal. I've seen all these trans people who knew it since they were little, but I've only had two experiences like this in my youth: First, I used to put on towels on my chest to simulate breasts, at about 15. Second, I used to want to become one of the witches from a popular series back then. I just wanted to know if there are more cases like mine, and what did you do to deal with the situation. I don't even know who I am anymore. Thank you very much.

>>6701193
have you tried drugs and alcohol yet?


>>6699239
waaah wahh wahhh wahh
>men's 9 1/2 shoes (US)
kys m8

>>6702495
no, not over 21 so can't easily get alcohol anyway

>self med potentially fake bica for two months now entering a third
>pay for a private doctor who says she can help me out
>dangerously allergic to spiro and cypro
>she refuses to prescribe me bicalutamide in combination with a blocker
>will now only give me a gnhr antagonist.
>broke and cant even afford to buy fake bica from inhouse for the next month or so ,now i only have around 20 days to sort something out
>feel like im regressingly and detransitioning daily

A gnhr antogonist is going to take another month to sort out and then I have another two to three weeks of triple my normal testosterone to look forward to with nothing to block it and it will cost me 250 pounds to boot giving me nothing for food or bills.

Fuck my life I just want to transition like everyone else and all I have ever done in my life is fuck up and fuck up and fuck up and end up in hosptial I cant take this any more I cant fucking take anything and im only getting older and older.

Like HEY WHY DIDNT YOU TRANSITION BEFORE 24 XDDD because my body is fucking shit and im literally looking down the barrel of being seen as a crazy moron for doing diy orchi or waiting another 4 months for public health care to maybe help me out after already waiting 5 fucking years. I started this whole awful mess with my doctor when I was 19 and im still no closer to what I want at 24 now aproaching 25 in four months time.

Maybe I wait another month to potentially sort out a blocker if my local GP agrees to it plus another month of super high T with nothing I can do about it fuck fuck fuck. Or maybe I ask if she would just do the bicalutamide on its own but I worry shed mess up the doses and only give me 50mg or something no matter what my T is because she seems incompetant as fuck.

I just want you all to know if I die its been nice talking to you all and I love you very much, well sort of. And to anyone reading this who can self med or has good trans care I hope you realise how lucky you are.

>>6667958
What hairstyle would look best on me and hide my shit features and bring out my better features?
Best i can do is look like a 14 year old emo boy.
Im also shit at knowing what makeup to apply and how to improve eyebrows, but really for now advice on hair is what I really need. I tried to keep it back best as i could

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>>6703726
Pic

>>6702498
>not over 21
This probably doesn't help your dysphoria, but every single day you go without HRT gets you exponentially closer to hon territory if you ever do transition.

T-blockers can stop this without overt feminizing effects. Just a thought.

so, now that I"m fairly certain I can afford it, I'd like to do some electrolysis/laser.

where do i start? how do I get an estimate? I don't have much hair to remove, just my beard and thighs. How much would that be about? I don't have a lot of hair, my beard is about shaggy/franco tier and same with my thighs

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>>6703730
This. Hide this. It's probably the same on the other side unless your bones are all fucked up so hide it there too. Cover the forehead if you can get away with it without looking like some emo twinky dude. You'll pass better as a really weird looking chick than if you enter that stereotype. I don't know what style will work for you but if you don't hide this thing you are basically screwed.

>>6703815
Will hrt help hide this eventually?
Or am i screwed by this forever?
Does anyone know the best way to help hide that part of the jaw?
God i hope my new cut will atleast help.
Like it matters, ill probably just end up offing myself in 10 years anyways.
I dont care about looking like some 100% cute anime girl, but i dont wanna look like a freak.

>>6703788
I'm a fat fuck so it would probably take me a year of losing weight to be at a healthy enough weight to do HRT and I'm 19 now, so I'd be 20 or 20 1/2 at the very earliest.


And by that age I would have about a year or two left in college, so I'd either have to somehow transition and pass in a year or two or I'd go into a job looking weird because I'd be a tranny on hormones for 1 year and be trying to get a job in inbetween mode (if i even pass lol).

>>6703925
>Will hrt help hide this eventually?
nope
>Or am i screwed by this forever?
don't worry it's just bones so FFS can easily fix that
>Does anyone know the best way to help hide that part of the jaw?
use your hair :^)
>God i hope my new cut will atleast help.
depends on the cut famallah
>Like it matters, ill probably just end up offing myself in 10 years anyways.
k
> i dont wanna look like a freak.
you don't like a freak but your hair looks like it has no volume
work on that then

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What do you do when your boobs become too big to hide? Do you settle with looking like a man who has gyno or a crossdressing man wearing a bra?

>>6667958
M 20 here... When I was younger I would very often fantasise and wish that I was a girl... As I grew older I dismissed it as a set of confused feelings as I began to realise that I was gay.

I've been into crossdressing for a while but I never knew why I liked it... It just felt right.

Recently my fantasy of being a girl have come back. I was at the local arcade and because of my long hair a guy mistakenly called me Miss. It felt so natural.

I'm so confused about myself... I feel like I want to be a girl but I don't feel like I want to make a full transition. Maybe just hrt? I don't know I'm so confused I just feel like I need some confirmation. I'm scared of the fact that I may be trans as crazy as that might sound.

How do I work out what I really want? Am I trans? How do accept myself if I am?

>>6704581
Gyno/baggy clothes when non-critical.
I bought a binder for the other times but I'm trying to wear it as little as possible.

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>>6703676
Hang in there anon plz

>>6704816
Is a binder necessary for you? Have you considered a sports bra instead?

>>6704922
Not that anon but binders or certain gyno wraps are much more concealable than sports bras.

>>6704936
But sports bras are much safer and comfortable to wear for longer periods of time.

>>6704936
binders make your tits sag, they are intended for people who are going to remove them e.g. ftms

>>6704952
Sports bras are good for most clothing but they can't give you the flat chest needed to wear suits.

>>6704952
>>6704975
Any recommended brands to try? I have a sports one myself for around the house, but I wouldn't wear it to work with how thick it is.

>>6704996
when i was still doing boymode i used a nike compression bra, now i use it for actual workouts and it's pretty nice

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>>6704996
I occasionally wear a calvin klien bralette, it's not too tight on the boobs

>>6705012
>>6705000
Thanks for those! CK looks like a decent yet non expensive one, I'll pick one up! Nike looks nicer but costs more, its under the shirt anyways not like anyone will see.

>>6705012
Do the straps ever peek out from the collar of your shirts? I usually wear a bralette with normal straps that aren't so close to the neck. Both have their drawbacks I guess.

>>6705135
nope

How to wear womens panties without tucking tricks, its very uncomfortable. wearing wide front part and extra size currently

>>6705531
the only real way to solve this issue is to get SRS or get a Penectomy and Orchiectomy.

I just ignore it. i tuck if i have to but if i don't have to i just wear comfortable boxer briefs. poofy skirts and dresses will hide everything anyway.

good luck.

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How long does it take on average for mental changes to take effect while on hrt? I am going on 3 weeks so far and idk if I can tell or not. I know I have cried or at least teared up quite often in the last few weeks but other than that, nothing.

also should I inject once a week or once every 10 days?

>>6667958
How tf am I supposed to transition? My parents want me to "put my money where my mouth is", and, as a teenaged 5'11" trans girl with no hormones, spend a year going out in exaggerated dress like a caricature, and basically have the hardest possible experience, probably to dissuade me from transitioning. What should I do?

>>6705991
Informed Consent clinic, or if you must then try self medding from an online pharmacy place.

>>6705961
Inject as often as you need to in order to keep your hormone levels stable. I inject every 7 days because my hormone levels dip below normal on the 7th day.

>>6678220

>Unless you're one of those creepy trans people who only like girls.

Woah. Browsing trans help and being hit with this when considering going mtf even if I am only sexually attracted to girls kinda scared me off. Thanks for the help. I'll be staying the fuck away from this board from now on.

>>6707128
There's actually a lot of legitimate and useful advice here amongst the shit.

It's really common for trans girls to be attracted to girls, even though many are straight. Thinking that you have to be exclusively attracted to men to be a "real girl" when even cis girls aren't held to that standard is as much bullshit as believing you have to conform to the caricatures of 1950s gender roles that some people insist are needed to be legitimately trans.

>>6704763
Well from what you say in this post you sound pretty trans to me. It's completely normal to be scared, transition is a pretty major life change and any rational person would have worries. You could try seeing a therapist who specializes in gender and sex issues. Local LGBT groups may have other resources you could check out as well. Good luck.

>>6705961

Valerate is 7 days, cypionate is 10 days, I think.

Just shaved my face first time in maybe a couple of years.
It feels really great. Somehow I used to having a beard, I guess because of living in a closet and all that shit. Beard kinda makes you more confident about your cover and I just had it for years in one form or another to appear more manly and maybe give people less reasons to doubt my orientation.
I remember as a kid I always wanted to have a beard, probably because of being in denial and to seem more mature. But when I actually was able to grow it, and became more aware of myself, it seemed more and more like some mask that I kinda have to wear.
All relatives got out for a week so I decided on shaving it, and somehow my face seemed to look nicer and more feminine in some way. I don't know if it's just an illusion of perception after having a beard for so long, or maybe I have some genetic predisposition. I mean I've seen a lot of people who still seem masculine with a shaved face, but it really looks less masculine when I look in the mirror. Maybe I really am just shitting myself, but nontheless.
Just wanted to share this, maybe trivial for some people, story.
btw am a bit drunk right now so my post may look weirdly written

>>6705531
get a gaff or wear a super tight pair underneath your normal panties to keep the balls in the inguinal canal. there might still be a bulge but it wont look suspicious.

>>6667958
So hypothetical question, if an underage transgender person had wanted to acquire hormones how would they go about it? Also, would there be anything else they could do to feminize their appearance? Again hypothetical question.

I have a small hump on the back of my neck, probably due to years of bad posture. Are there any exercises to either minimise or reverse it, or am I fucked?

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>Tfw realizing how much better my life would be if I were female
>No dysphoria
>Afraid that if I go mtf I'll eternally regret the decision
I wanna be cute and loved by men, but I don't wanna be a tranny. Fuck.

>>6696477
Are you still following this thread? I feel really similarly to you, though I do have some issues with my body. Also, when I have to dress up I think I look like a mtf and I think I sometimes get clocked as mtf. But the social aspect is my biggest problem. I don't think we're trans, more just sick of gender in general, and maybe nonbinary? Like, I hate how gender affects every aspect of social interaction. For example, if I and a guy friend of mine met with another friend, I would get pulled into a hug but my guy friend wouldn't. People are treated differently for such a stupid reason, and I wish I could opt out of it. But I'm pretty sure I can live the rest of my life in this body.

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>only interested in being a girl, not a woman
>want to be female only so long as I am beautiful
>put off my the idea of transition because I'd be an ugly freak because shit genes
Seems like I'm not trans and just OD'd on anime girls, but
>hate having a cock and balls
>intrusive thoughts about maiming myself every time I see a knife, scissors, yard clippers, or cable cutters
Fix me doctor 4chan.

>>6711039
Dysphoria. Go tranny.

>>6711039
>I'm not trans and just OD'd on anime girls
What exactly makes people think this is possible?

>>6712490
I'm not them, but when I was still questioning I was actually terrified of actually being trans and tried to rationalize it away with any convenient excuse, so it's probably something similar for them.

>>6712644
Before you came to conclusions, was dysphoria there and obvious? Do you ever look back and say, gee, how did I never realize? Are you happier now?
Currently I'm confused, because I dunno if it's just my submissive dick talking but I've been wondering whether I'm happy identifying as male. I'm not masculine at all, if anything I'm reluctantly masc at times. But I've always been interested in crossdressing, men, and stuff. I like my cock, but I dunno. I don't have dysphoria since I feel fine with who I am (Although I'd love to be a cute twink) and I'm so confused

>>6712490
Self denial, societal pressure to think of literally any other reason, everyone on /a/ wanting to be the little girl.

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is an orchi / srs necessary to live a long life as MtF without screwing up your liver? don't AAs eventually pretty much kill your testicles anyway, so you can at least lower your doses at some point?

>>6712681
What exactly makes you confused ? If you feel fine with your body, you don't really need to do anything. You can do crossdressing and not be trans either.

With the caveat that you can fool yourself w/r/t being trans, as anon described, so...

>>6712883
pretty much, especially cypro shouldn't be taken for more than a few years.

>>6713514
>shouldn't be taken for more than a few years.
8 years now, no problem at all.

I'm starting to seriously wonder if I'm trans again for the first time since I was a kid and I'm freaking out a little. I just kind of want to say that and see how it feels.
The only reason I ever put the thought away when I was a kid was I heard that science just can't make working dicks from nothing. And that was like the whole appeal, so I figured no point, put it on the backburner and let science catch up. afaik it hasn't, idk.
I don't know if I'm all the way trans though, if I'm even anything but cis to begin with. I just want to ditch the tits and grow a dick. I could make it a secret dick and just chalk the titties up to cancer fears and no one would have to know I'm some kinda fucking snowflake, I'd snap that deal up in a heartbeat. I don't really have any interest in fucking, so keeping a secret dick would be easy. But I also kind of think if I had a dick and it was fully legit, the prospect of fucking would become a lot more appealing.

But it's like... why WOULDN'T girls just want dicks? Is that an absurd question? Dicks are just better. You can fuck shit and you can pee anywhere. That's not trans, that's just facts, dicks are better. Is that not a normal thing to think?
And why WOULD girls want tits? They bounce around, get in the way, and give you fucking cancer. People went nuts over fucking Angelina Jolie cutting hers off, and it's like why? Of course she did.
And fucking periods, who wants that shit? No one.
So what the hell decides if this is trans shit, or just normal?

Best way to deal with dysphoria that isn't transitioning due to personal reasons? I walked past some shops today, looked in, saw all the dresses and felt so upset...

>>6713738
Change your circumstances and transition, else you'll either eventually kill yourself or transition in your 40s and become a disgusting hon.

>>6713586
you must be at a ridiculously low dose now like 5mg a day, right?

>>6705961
it happens gradually
if ever

>>6713682
>And fucking periods, who wants that shit? No one.
you're wrong

>>6713682
that's autism
regards autism frogs

genuine ftm post right there tbqh

>>6713682
I absolutely feel the same way about everything in your post. But if I am ftm i have all the time in the world to decide because t is magic. Ftm can transition whenever so I can just put off thinking about gender feelings.

Is it weird to feel less than human? MtF coming up on two years HRT and finally looking sort of feminine. My colossal hands and shoulders are so out of place on the rest of my body. My face doesn't really look male or female. Without surgery I've just landed at a weird in between state and I'm getting uncanny valley vibes looking at myself. It's like a bodysnatcher doing its best to appear human but its body just doesn't have the right proportions to fit in the flesh suit. I know everyone thinks I'm disgusting but none of them have the guts to say it to my face, like I don't notice them avoiding me just as well. Nobody respects me anymore. They think I'm beneath them and maybe they're right. I don't know what to do.

>>6714003
That's really meme-y, friend. The earlier the better. Also your hips will just keep growing wider.

How do I deal with arm hair?

>>6716991
I use this, its very fast and easy. I just run it down my arms maybe once a week.

https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-ES2207P-Electric-3-Blade-Cordless/dp/B0018A32XS/

>>6717124
That's the thing- do people actually shave their arms? Is that a normal thing? I did it when I was like 13 and my mom thought it was really weird and my arms felt strange all bald.

>>6716991
Epillator.

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>>6682551
Same question as this guy

>>6717497
come back when you grow your hair out, trim your eyebrows, and learn to use makeup

I'm getting on an airplane in 20 hours. I'm early in HRT. I've never been on an airplane before, or even in a large airport. My only experience with scanners and security is amusement parks and museums in the US. Is there any way for me to 100% hide my pills so that there's 0% chance of anybody knowing of their existence (whether that's the airport people or the people I'm with)? I'm terrified of the possibility and highly considering going off of them for the entire length of the trip.

>>6718638
just put them in the bag you're checking in
if you're willing to go off them for the trip, you could go off them for the plane ride and just take em again when you've landed and picked up your bags

>>6717234
Depends on the culture you're from and how hairy you are. And of course how you personally feel about that hair.

In my teens I knew one girl who used to epilate her arms. But when I think about it that was probably as much a replacement for the self-harm she quit as it was about the hair.

Having ffs is a pain in the ass. Just saying. The pain isn't the problem, but the swelling is horrible. You're numb on all your face. Just wanted to tell this because none really seems to be prepared for this

>>6718638
Get a daily pill container, one with the M T W T F S S and pack it if you really need to. They'll see it and automatically assume vitamins.

>>6718648
You're saying in luggage instead of carry on? How closely is luggage checked?

>Exchange student left to go back to China but left a bag of her clothes in the laundry room.
>I wait several days to make sure nobody's coming for them then stuff a couple items in my laundry basket.
>Trying on some clothes and slip on this dress. It's a close fit but I get it on easily enough.
>I look in the mirror and all I say is an ugly man in a dress.
>Try to take it off but it won't budge, like the crawfish trap of clothes.
>Spend 20 minutes holed up in the bathroom where it is over 100 degrees stretching and sweating and pulling it off.
What's the fastest way to kill myself?

>>6681933
It's easy to pass as a ftm once you get a beard it's pretty much done

>>6718638
>Dear 4chan, how can I smuggle drugs?
Are you of serious my comrade?

>>6719041
only explosives afaik, i've checked in knives and stuff before

>>6678685
you're sad because you're not female and you're happy because you're thinking about being a girl

simple as that

Is it genital dysphoria if I have never really enjoyed touching my benis to clean it thoroughly in the bath (nor have I masturbated for that matter)?
Is this something to consider as part of the picture?

>>6724752
Yep, yes, absolutely.

>>6714003
>FtMs can transition whenever

End this meme. Maybe a 45 year old Ayyden who got screwed over by autistic TERFs into living as a "butch womyn" and only gets on T after a midlife crisis is marginally better off than a 45 year old hon, but transitioning earlier is still better if at least for getting to live out more years as you'd want.

Laryngeal ossification starts in the mid 20s, so even if you have a tiny female ribcage you'll still have a better male voice if you start T before then. Also a gradual increase of dosage helps, makes FtM puberty longer but less sudden on the body desu.

>>6718638

I'm wondering this myself since I have a flight to the Caribbean soon. I read a couple of things, and according to the TSA itself it can go in luggage or carry-on, but it should remain in its original bottle if you don't want it confiscated. Don't put different medications in the same container either, that will be confiscated as well. Other sites recommend getting a copy of your prescription and a letter from your physician explaining what medications you take and why. I have a prescription for my estrogen, but not cyproterone since I'm American. I'm hoping when I see my doctor, she'll write I take estradiol and cyproterone and then the guys at the airport/customs won't think too deeply about why there's no prescription label on my cyproterone. Also hoping they won't fuck with me if my doctor writes I take them for GID.

Although, now that I think about it, my mother helped me smuggle cacao beans out of the country I'm visiting years ago, even though you're not supposed to bring organisms across international borders that might become invasive species in their new country. I think they really only look for hard drugs, maybe so they can use them themselves, lmao.

>>6718748

Sounds like when I got beaten up.

>>6725076
Oh trust me, it's way worse than getting beaten up

>>6702098
would lobotomy even work? They haven't done them here since like 70s so it probably isn't even an option. I just want to be normal.

>>6725076
you can just keep them on your person, they arent metal or anything right?

shouldnt be an issue leaving the US (every other counrty on the planet has much more rational security measures)

>>6725319
A lobotomy would definitely make you not want to be a girl. In fact it will probably make you want nothing. And feel nothing. Probably won't be able to do anything. Lobotomies turn you into a human vegetable and shouldn't be something you're actually considering.

There's a reason they stopped doing them.

If I suffer from delusions of a supernatural nature when I'm unwell, is it possible that the rather (in comparison) "normal" notion of my dysphoria... Is it possible I'm not really trans?

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>>6719329

You know, a good person would try to see if they could ship her clothes to her before taking them for themselves. Obviously she wouldn't buy a return flight just for her clothes.

>>6725468

No, they have had scanners that produce images like this for a number of years now. There are ways to get around it (like keeping a dark object like a gun to your sides in the darkness surrounding the image of you). But you wouldn't want to try and then get caught with your pills anyway, because then they ask themselves what made it such a big deal that you had to hide them. Then they would confiscate them for sure. However you want to bring your meds past security, it's not on your person. The last time I flew, which was from a northeast state to a southern state, they hassled me over some tissues for my nose that I left in my pocket. I left them in there because I didn't think they were a big deal.

Because of these scanners, you can't even go get SRS in Thailand without someone knowing a tranny boarded the plane on the departure.

>>6726508
>Because of these scanners, you can't even go get SRS in Thailand without someone knowing a tranny boarded the plane on the departure.
fucking america, for once im glad to be european

>>6726779

Well, they say that the person who sees the naked image of you is in a separate room from the actual scanner, but even if that's true, that doesn't stop anyone from taking pictures of the scan in that room. What's the security procedure for boarding a plane in your country?

Reposting from HRT general.

>So everyone knows you're not supposed to keep medication above 30 degrees Celcius (86 degrees Fahrenheit). Because of all the heat we're experiencing in the northeast right now, I became curious about how hot it is in my room, which is where I keep my medications. It turns out it's somewhere between 90 and 100 degrees Fahrenheit in there. I also have no air conditioner. So just how worthless are my meds now? Anyone have a study on how cyproterone acetate and estradiol are affected by temperature?

>Also, where do you all keep your meds? Obviously I can't keep mine in the refrigerator because my parents would find it. I also don't have an air conditioner in my room. The basement is the coolest place, but it's always filled with bullshit and my dad goes down there to move stuff around all the time. So it's off limits as well. I could get a mini-fridge for my room. And I guess to protect my next purchase, the cost would be worthwhile.

Quick question. I've seen a few conflicting answers to this online. Is it possible to have an orgasm after an orchiectomy?

I just had the surgery yesterday, but I was too embarrassed to ask my surgeon since he looked a lot like my dad. It doesn't really bother me either way, just wondering.

>>6727243

>I was too embarrassed to ask my surgeon since he looked a lot like my dad

I don't have any definitive answers for you, but kek. I would think that if girls post SRS can orgasm, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to orgasm post orchiectomy. You use your penis for sexual pleasure (or your prostate) and those weren't touched.

>>6727310
Okay, so I could probably still orgasm, but would it just be dry? Like, there wouldn't be any seminal fluid...

>>6727320

I was under the impression seminal fluid came from the prostate (or at least some liquid is added to sperm by the prostate before it's ejaculated). But it's not like I'm interested in that part of the body, so I don't know.

>>6727383
Hm. Guess that I may be mistaken. Thanks for the help.

>>6727383
Sperm is from the testicles, I'm pretty sure semen has it's own gland/whatever where it's created.

>>6728730

Which is what I'm saying. Ejaculate is more than just the sperm from your testicles.

Is there a sure way to know if you're trans? Like i'd want to live as a woman but i don't want to transition because it would mean i would be a man pretending to be a woman and i think that would be worse because people would see me as a weird fetishist.

>>6729038
Not really. That thought probably occurs to a lot of trans people though and is one of the many mental roadblocks people normally use to dissuade themselves.

>>6726835
its the same as everywhere else, just no scanner
i experienced that last year when i went to the US for vacation, it's pretty weird

>>6729038
People who aren't trans don't even consider any of this shit. It's pretty obvious that you're trans. Welcome to the shittiest club on earth.

Is it normal to be constantly yo-yoing between deciding "I should be a girl/guy" (delete as appropriate)?
Also is it trans to have had enjoyed girl's cartoons more than guy ones? I loved Totally Spies and PPG as a kid!

>>6729812
Am trans, can confirm loving Totally Spies and PPG.

>>6724989
>Laryngeal ossification starts in the mid 20s

>tfw mid 20s
Whelp, at least it'll be an exciting mid life crisis.

>>6729812
Normal for what & not really.

>>6729646
>People who aren't trans don't even consider any of this shit.
Not that anon, but it's always either "thinking you might be trans means you're definitely trans" or "you're not trans unless you're literally suicidal, fuck off tumblr trender snowflake sperg".

So I'm either in the shittest club on earth, or the other shittest club on earth, fantastic.

next thread:

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