/agpg/ - AGP General

>>6547345
it's really rough, isn't it? luckily I have romantic attraction to women but AGP dominates my sexuality

What are some good non-LGBT and non-sexual sites that people here use as their female online persona?

>>6547292

Yeah.


I don't even know why I thought that except that I could be trans.


And I don't know whether I'm glad or not that no one ever found out I thought like that or caught me crossdressing or anything.

Maybe I would've gotten help but most likely I would have been yelled at for being "gay" or taken to one of those pray-the-gay-away camps my grandparents who my mom lived with until I was like 11/12.

>>6547584
>I'm AGP, does this mean I'm not trans?
>No, you can be AGP and trans.

lol
why lie?
what's your agenda?
you cannot be AGP and trans
trans does not actually exist
everyone knows this except those in denial pushing a social agenda

>>6548305
Video games. I'm scared of guys asking me to talk to prove it though. Need to work on my voice I guess.

>>6547584
You do know that Blanchard has, since coining the term, "Autogynephilia", been corrected for his mistake in the scientific literature repeatedly and admitted he coined the wrong term through mistake, right? "Gyne" does NOT mean "woman". I happen to be Greek and it is my first language. "Gyne" refers to the female reproductive organs. It originally referred to only the specific insects that reproduce as nearly all female insects do not reproduce--only those that become queens reproduce and they as a group (amongst ants, bees, wasps, etc.) are referred to as "gyne", or as a group, "gynes". For example, "Gynecology" is the branch of medical science that deals with the female reproductive organs. Your use of the word is ironic with respect to your misapplication as AGP and trans are the exact opposite of what the word means because they cannot reproduce at all as a female as they lack the female sexual organ to do so. If anything, you are Aautogynephilia or Antiautogynephila--the exact opposite of the word you use.

I'll never understand why so many throughout the alternative lifestyle community need to put a fancy label on something to define themselves and nearly all the time that label makes absolutely no sense from a logical standpoint in literal meaning or otherwise. I suppose it is all part of the agenda campaign to change people's perceptions, but in fact it just makes us all sound like dumbasses who are completely clueless about reality, science, the world and nearly everything in it.

>>6548403
What term do you prefer?

>>6548403
Take it up with the DSM folks. Still in the manual.

I like how trolls don't even know how to troll this thread. Like half of the time they come in and call Blanchard a shitter.

>decide to buy a bra on Prime Day
>place order
>remember Amazon doesn't always ship with boxes
>Order Cannot be Cancelled

how fucked am I fampais

First time coming out about this because it's so taboo.

I don't fap or look at porn anymore but I used to be addicted. I'm straight, or maybe bi i dunno. I have low libido but I get turned on mentally and physically while reading about feminization, nonsexual stuff I just happen to come across. It happens on its own.

Background: this isn't a new development. When I started puberty and got horny I would shave my pubes and wear my sister's bras and panties and sometimes makeup, I didn't fap but it was exhilarating until I learned it was wrong to do this and so I've never done it since. But I always got turned on at the thought of feminization so during puberty I read a lot about girls' feelings and pov in sexual matters and got into female pov porn, futanari, transformation, and trap/shemale porn and eventually even gay porn. I read porn escalation alters tastes but mine have never reverted since quitting.

How do you deal with this? I like girls and want a family one day but I have a feminine personality, I don't look manly at all, I thought I did until I kept getting told I look like a girl, and everyone thinks I'm much younger than I am. I wanted to be manly but it's not my nature. I don't want to be girly besides the agp fantasizing because weak men are despised. I want to be accepted as a man but if I take steroids to look manly I'll just age, go bald and get worse skin etc. So I'm trying to accept my androgynous niche instead of trying to be accepted universally, at least lookswise. I know feminine men don't age well so I want to preserve my youth but it means blocking androgens and giving up masculinity. There is a war within me between succumbing to society's pressure to be conventionally masculine or to accept myself as the feminine man I am. On the one hand who wouldn't want to be a powerful energized man , on the other hand that will never be me. Maybe I can find peace by striking a balance between feminine looks and masculine behavior.

>>6548895
Just be yourself, as feminine as you want. There are plenty of women into feminine men and quite a few women are into femininzation fetishes too. You won't ever really be happy if you pretend to be someone you're not, just be yourself.

>>6548895
From your description I assume that you don't feel dysphoria or actually want to be a woman in a non-sexual context, correct? If so you shouldn't touch hormones. Just live your life and act as you please. Fuck the haters. Men can be feminine and women can be masculine. Find people who accept you.

>>6548639
DSM=Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders

>>6548667
Everybody that disagrees with your infantile view of the world is not a troll.
Grow up.

1. Blanchard and his wild theories have never been respected by the scientific community and time and time again proven wrong.
2. Blanchard was and is a very prominent flaming homosexual.
3. Blanchard has always had an agenda and a political and social agenda at that. To call what he did "science" requires abandoning common sense.
4. In most scientific circles, Blanchard is considered a quack. His education is suspect, if not weak. It literally took him 7 years to get his Ph.D. and he was rejected 3 times--something that is unheard of anywhere (a Ph.D. in psch is 4 years typically and maybe 0.1% of all dissertations are rejected, yet his was 3 times). His post-doc work was at the Ontario Correctional Institute in Brampton, Canada (loser, and not respected in his field, where is the Harvard Post-Doc Fellowship his peers got?) He then joined the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry (aka the Quack Institute). His claim to fame is being on the APA DSM-IV Subcommittee--a position he got after Barney Frank, gay senator from Massachusetts, lobbied very hard for him to get, otherwise funding would be withdrawn for a couple APA pet projects. Since then, Blanchard has been quoted and cited innumerable times--by the gay community pushing an agenda.
5. Equating Ray Blanchard with anything having to do with real science is beyond offensive to anyone with a brain.

>some 2-bit quack (with an agenda) said it, therefore it is real, hurr-durr
>being this naive

>>6548946
>quite a few women are into femininzation fetishes too

Right. Non-crazy, tumblr, sjw's?

>>6549681

There's such a thing as a bimbofication fetish. Apparently there's a group for it on fetlife. https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/9392427-ask-lunakm-bimbofication-and-feeling-slutty There's also a forum for it somewhere online. I think the draw is mostly about being possessed as an object by a male and being customized to his taste.

>>6549745
the problem is not the people who identify as AGP. the problem is the people who think everyone transgender is AGP, who I will label as ignorant people

i.e. you are telling people with AGP to stop identifying as such to accommodate ignorant people

>>6549727
>>6549745
agreed

>>6548403
Literally copy pasted from Wikipedia
Italian is also different from Latin

>>6549969
>Literally
lit·er·al·ly
ˈlidərəlē,ˈlitrəlē/
adverb
in a literal sense or manner; actually; exactly

Hint: literally none of that was copied from Wikipedia, let alone "exactly".
Hint#2: actual facts are the same facts whether they are stated in or from any source of literature or writing. You finding factual information consistent with the above post that also happens to be found (only in part, btw) on wikipedia doesn't mean it came from wikipedia, but rather just reconfirms that they are facts that are commonly known (even to wikipedia).
Hint #3: there is nothing on wikipedia about
Blanchard being gay (therefore proving that post is not "literally copy pasted from Wikipedia", nor about his dissertation being rejected, etc. Wrong again.

>Italian is also different from Latin
Hint #4: Of course Italian is different from Latin. What's your point? We were talking about Greek. The word comes from Greek.
>Retard confirmed

Good job proving you don't belong in any intelligent conversation and that you spew falsehoods and illogical nonsense.

>>6548909
Normies just don't get it

>>6548949
You can do all that as a dude too. If your agp stops there you realistically can get pretty close to that

>>6550033
lol, ikr, he >>6549969 is a moron
so dumb, he's too dumb to really even respond to

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>>6549969
>Italian is also different from Latin
You know there is an 18 year age minimum on 4chan, right?
I can't imagine anyone 18 or older is this dumb.

>>6547584
>Autogynephilia, from Greek αὐτό- ("self"), γυνή ("woman") and φιλία ("love")

>>6548403
>I happen to be Greek and it is my first language. "Gyne" refers to the female reproductive organs.

You see where everyone is talking about Autogynephilia coming from the Greek language?
Do you see that?
Do you?
Can you read?

>>6549969
>Italian is also different from Latin

>>6550100
>>6550070
>>6550033
>>6548403
dumb shits. I guess I need to spell out every little detail for you. Greek is different from Ancient Greek. That was the obvious analogy.

>>6548895
>>6550070
>>6550033
Nobody gives a fuck about your modern language. If you took two seconds to verify, you would in fact find that it was literally copy pasted from wikipedia, with a link to Ancient Greek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard%27s_transsexualism_typology#Autogynephilia_and_autoandrophilia
(nice samefag btw)
The fact that you are mentally deficient is evident in your posts.

>>6549571
ad hom: the post

>>6549727
>>6549745
>>6549801
There is no other better research on AGP. Why should I give a fuck that other people will strawman you trannies as being "so evil" as us AGPs? That sentiment is rooted in self-superiority; you guys constantly claim we don't exist, we're harmful to you, or to fuck off and don't even help ourselves in our own threads, because they trigger you, and you think we should give an ounce of care to how other people think of you? Fuck right off. Feel free to fund research into AGP in order to help us. By all means, that's what we want. Nobody is worshiping at Blanchard's feet, but there are no reasonable alternatives.

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>>6550236
>calls others dumb shits
>can't even seem to understand the entire thread people have consistently been referring to "Greek"
>literally posts: "Italian is also different from Latin" despite neither Italian nor Latin being relevant in any way whatsoever, nor previously discussed
>busted and publicly embarrassed for being this retarded and called out on it by numerous anons
>backpeddles, abandons Italian, abandons Latin, now posts: errrrrr . . . "Greek is different from Ancient Greek"
>calls this "obvious"

>confirmed for BIGGEST FUCKING RETARD ON 4CHAN

fucking saved this thread
epic retard busted
will post and repost

>>6550236
>ad hom: the post
nope
ad hominem attacks the person making the argument as opposed to the substance of the argument
Blanchard did not post in this thread
moreover, Blanchard's credibility, academic experience (i.e., an outcast and shunned by the academic community as a quack) is very much at issue as he is literally the ONLY moron to make these proposals ever--and no one else has stood behind him. He is on an island. He invented that island out of thin air. It in fact does not exist. Why talk about the island and not the dude who is claiming it exists and pointing at nothing (with no science whatsoever to back him up, let alone anyone in academia subscribing to his nonsensical conjecture)?

Are you literally this fucking dumb that you don't even understand what ad hominem means?

What "science" is it you want to talk about?
see here >>6549727

There is no support for anything Blanchard has said. He is a nut. A gay nut with a political agenda. Period. The rest of the scientific community refers to AGP under what is called a "mental disorder". Sorry your depraved lifestyle doesn't want to admit this.

Get help.

While your at it, read a book and maybe ask your pysch if you are even average IQ.

You seem dumb as fuck to everyone around here and no one wants you here.

Leave dumbass.

>>6550236
>There is no other better research on AGP.
umm, cuz it doesn't exist and was a hypothesis by some guy ray blanchard 50 years ago that was not supported by the research of others
that's why there's no more research on this mumbo jumbo
it is not true, just ramblings of a fag

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>>6550236
holy fuck!

>>6550652
>So anyone can make up things now?

Blanchard has a Phd in psychology and is published. You're just a butthurt loser who is probably in the closet with a very bad case of AGP.

What are some video games with great character creation for AGP?

>>6550715
mass effect, skyrim (with mods), dragon age 1, eve online, second life

friendly reminder this thread is overrun
ignore the trolls and proceed as normal

>>6550590
>>6550620
>>6550629
>>6550641
So buttrekt you have to flame this hard
ayy lmao
seek help my faam

>>6550596

Did someone tell you to look for autogynephilia on /lgbt/? You're still an autogynephile if you want to be a specific girl as long as it's for the same reasons.

>>6550715
>>6550773

>skyrim (with mods)

Speaking from experience, can't go wrong with this.

>>6550596
most likely
there are lots of girls I know I really want to be

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>>6548949

>I just want to be someone's girlfriend, is that such a horrible thing?
>I want to be a traditional housewife, working less than my husband and cooking dinner so it'll be ready when he's home.
>I want him to lie with his head in my lap, nuzzling his hair, while he talks about his day.
>I want to be the little spoon. I want to rub my butt against his groin and feel his erection to tease him before we fall asleep.
>I want to make him lunch he can bring to work.
>I want him to say how happy he is that we're together.

Same. Except I know we wouldn't be going to sleep after I grind on his dick. ;)

>None of that will happen, but at least I have Mr. Vodka to help me forget for a night.

Lucky. Hopefully going with my mom to BJ's this weekend and I'll buy myself some hard liquor. I've gone on too long without anything but my parents' wine I don't even feel a buzz from.

>>6548949
>>6551612
omg i wanna get drunk now lol

>>6549571
m80 that's exactly it. You barge into a thread trying to get people angry by saying Blanchard's a good for nothing hack and the majority of the people here really dislike him. He's the main voice opposing WPATH who are far friendlier to transsexuals.

>>6549801
I mean, how should I refer to myself if I both have the fetish and don't know whether or not I'm trans? I agree the term is more or less useless due to the connotations it has to outdated theories but there isn't really another term.

>>6553222
agp
we don't get triggered over the word gravity because the guy who coined it didn't fully understand it

so what happens after you become the ultimate sissy?

>>6556948
you move onto diapers

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>>6548949
>>6551612
>>6551723

Better prep that alcohol.

>tfw you will never be in class one day when the topic of rape comes up
>tfw you will never see him struggling to say something as your female classmates mention exaggerated stories of harassment
>tfw he won't finally speak up and say he had an abusive relationship with a girl that ended with him trying to get help from the police
>tfw he'll never say that when the police got there she turned the accusation on him and he ended up in a jail cell but that at least it didn't end in conviction because there was no evidence
>tfw you'll never hear those attention whores dismiss his actual experience with abuse
>tfw after class you'll never ask him to talk about it
>tfw he'll never say it's no big deal while the tears he's holding back say it is
>tfw you will never take his hand and say it's important that he talks about it
>tfw he'll never hesitatingly agree to go with you
>tfw you'll never have a long conversation in a nearby eatery that he says made him feel better and give him a big, warm hug
>tfw you'll never become friends and study together
>tfw you'll never make snacks for your study sessions
>tfw he'll never develop a crush on you
>tfw he'll never ask you out one day
>tfw you'll never have fun together on your dates, laughing and making memories
>tfw he'll never try to have sex with you but can't from remembering his past experiences
>tfw you'll never run your hand through his hair and say it's okay if he's not ready yet, as you lie under him
>tfw you'll never see him go from struggling with intimacy to being confident and spontaneous over time from being with you
>tfw he'll never fuck you savagely and cuddle you lovingly
>tfw you'll never make him a whole man again

>>6557371
>tfw you'll never regain his trust in women to the night where he finally decides he's ready to enter you in loving embrace
>tfw you'll never cuddle him to sleep afterwards
>tfw you'll never call the police and tell them he raped you, sending him back into jail and destroying him just as he thought he stood a chance
>tfw you'll never give him a final smirk as they take him away

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>>6557388

Nooooooooooooooo, I wouldn't hurt him. ;_;

>>6556984
Who gives a shit? Go fuck your sister and play a banjo.

>>6557371
help am i supposed to be turned on by this help help help

>>6556948

You start looking for a bf.

>>6557757

You're definitely supposed to want it. Whether that makes you sad or aroused depends on you.

>>6558248
Well I was sad until half-way through I became aroused. Sadaroused.

>>6558260

So at like the part about the hug?

>>6558396
Yup. It only escalated from there.

>continuous thoughts and feelings of wanting to be a girl starting when I was 4/5
>always thought every guy wanted to be a girl until I was 13 years old
>dad would make fun of me whenever I did anything feminine or acted feminine, don't know how to act male, I'm just awkward in everything I do
>started crossdressing at 8, enjoyed it
>when I got older I would sometimes jerk off while crosdressing, if I cd frequently the "excitement" wears off and it just makes me feel warm and fuzzy instead of getting aroused
>still want to be a girl and think about it constantly
>masturbate to "pics that made you wish you were the girl" threads and related stuff


i wanna die desu

is there any solution to this that doesn't involve taking hormones or being a tranny

>>6559605

>"pics that made you wish you were the girl" threads

What is this?

>is there any solution to this that doesn't involve taking hormones or being a tranny

Depends on if your definition of solution is broad enough to include suicide.

>>6559605
Are you seeing a therapist?

>>6559620
rude

>>6559650

>rude

That's the common response when you neither want hormones or to transition. The only other option is to lobotomize yourself or wait for some technique that would change your brain while keeping you functional.

>>6559650
no


>>6559620
stuff like this
>>>/h/4287999


I think about suicide a lot but I don't know. I wish I could just be normal but I don't think I can be. It's like my life is stagnating because wanting to be a girl is just a huge roadblock and something that has to be addressed before I can do anything.

I have no hobbies or anything that I enjoy. The only enjoyment I get is from engaging in escapism.

>>6559876
Well then, first thing first: consider going to see a therapist. The usual disclaimer applies: find someone trustworthy who is interested in helping you rather than pushing any particular agenda. Some therapists are very trigger happy with the titty skittles while others covertly hate transsexuals and try to convince them they're all straight. I don't know whether you're trans or not but if these thoughts came at such a young age you might be.

Could you picture yourself happy as a man?
If yes, how?
If not, why?
If the conclusion to the above is that you can only find happiness as a woman will you transition? Why or why not?

>>6560130
>Could you picture yourself happy as a man?

No, I don't think so.

I can't ever see myself in a relationship as a man and I've never been in a romantic one. I just feel fake and most of what I say and do is just false or not genuine.

I can't see myself as a man in even 1 year, I just sort of live day to day whatever with no real goals or anything.
I always had a really hard time when asked questions like "Where do you see yourself in 5 years" and on times and occasions when people are talking about the future a lot (like my highschool graduation was really bad for me, everyone talking about how the rest of their life was gonna be + all the girls in cute outfits making me really jealous, I went home and cried like a fag after leaving as soon as possible).


>If the conclusion to the above is that you can only find happiness as a woman will you transition? Why or why not?

I don't know if I can only find happiness as a woman or not.
I've wanted to be one forever but I can't know if it would make me happy.

I'm just hoping something will change and I'll suddenly be happy or normal or not want to be a woman but I don't think that will ever happen.

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>>6560393

fuck

this is too relatable

>>6561787
sorry anon ;_;

>>6560393
Well, Anon, with the line about a therapist still strongly applying.. if you can't possibly be happy as a man but you *might* possibly be happy as a woman the choice seems pretty simple, no? Don't rush to conclusions but if you think things through and that's the case then you ought do what you need to do to get a shot at happiness.

If you missed the last thread some other folks shared their experiences there.

>>6516644
>>6516528
>>6516362
>>6537767

>>6562667
I'm super scared about going to a therapist.

I just, taking hormones and transitioning would be so scary. I hate being noticed, and it's a lot of scary thing and work to do when I don't know if I'd even pass as female.
I can't even say the word transgender out loud.

>>6562752
I'm sorry. I wish I could say something to make it all better but I can't. You must be strong and brave and push ahead.

>>6562778
I'm sorry for being whiny.

>>6562798
You shouldn't apologize for talking about your feelings, especially in a thread dedicated to doing so. You are not whiny.

>Decide to try detoxing by not consuming porn
>Make it through a day
>Go to sleep
>Dream about watching a TV show where a man has to pretend to be a woman in order to get into art school
help

>>6548403
>provides nothing to back up their statement
>"you guys are all dumbasses"
>being this mad
Looks like someone is in denial of their agp.

>>6549571
>2. Blanchard was and is a very prominent flaming homosexual
Lmao this is how I know your a troll who doesn't know what they're talking about.

6/10 made me laugh

>>6563045
We should cap this and send this to Blanchard. He has a twitter.

>>6563175
kek

holy shit you guys
I just had the most intense orgasm of my life with the most intense agp of my life

can I still come here if my therapist diagnosed me a tranny? x_x

>>6568035

I have been diagnosed since before this series of threads started.

>>6568035
Of course. I mean, you can still have AGP-like thoughts and be transsexual, though a lot of transsexuals report their AGP getting axed by hormones over a long period.

I got some women's clothes for the first time today (thanks Prime Day!). When I tried them on I was surprised that I actually looked better than the trainwreck I expected. Manjaw probably still clocks me to even a casual observer, but the skirt I got hides my lack of hips fairly well. I was also surprised that I wasn't constantly turned on just by wearing the clothes; if I *thought* about it I'd get turned on, but just sitting in a skirt, bra, and shirt did very little if I was working on something else. When I eventually got off, I did it after I had taken off the clothes - the idea of being a girl was the fantasy.

Then I read this and now I'm just not really sure where I stand. >https://medium.com/@jencoates/i-am-a-transwoman-i-am-in-the-closet-i-am-not-coming-out-4c2dd1907e42

What's my deal? I'm definitely AGP, but I'm less sure than ever how to define myself beyond that. I feel like I need to wear this stuff at home a bit more to figure out what my sexual triggers are, because one of my friends wants me to crossplay with it and I'm not sure I can get through the day without being half-aroused the whole time, but I worry that's just going to muddy the waters about how I define myself.

>>6568298
well do you want to be a girl or a boy

>>6568439
I'm not 100% sure either way. I don't mind being a man; I know there's certain things expected of me and I've gotten very, very good at meeting those expectations, kinda like the person in that article.

On the other hand, it felt good to dress up in girl's clothes and - somehow - actually look more like a person with proper proportions instead of a fucking toad for once. If I was a girl, I'd fall into expected sexual norms much, much better as well, and wouldn't feel like I'm sexually defective just for existing as-is.

>tfw i'm 27yo and can still pass as a girl
>scared i'm going to kill myself once i can't pass anymore

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>>6568536
I felt that today so much.

>>6568536
Why do you assume that you won't be able to pass anymore at some point? Some transwomen pass even as grannies.

>>6568555
i forgot to mention i'm not on hormones

>>6568551
;-;

>>6563175
I'm gonna link that anti-Blanchard person's whole comment to him. I'm sure he'll get a laugh out of it.

>>6568680
Well.. uh.. if you're not on hormones you might want to get on them if you're going to *kill yourself* for not looking like a woman. Just a thought.

>>6568720
Oh god don't link the actual thread I don't want Ray Blanchard coming over to tell me I'm a degenerate. Just cap it.

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I don't understand this whole AGP thing. I'm a bi cis female and I'm "AGP" does this make me trans now? Kek

Many if not most women get off on looking hot and sexy. That's why lingerie is so popular. That's why I like having sex in front of a mirror. How is being turned on by yourself a male fetish?

>>6568807
This is a somewhat complicated subject and if OP wasn't insistent on not including a pastebin (coughcough) then I wouldn't have to write the exact same post yet again.

AGP encompasses both things which normative cis women find attractive as well as some which they do not.
Imagining yourself as a woman in a sexy situation and getting off to that thought because the situation itself is sex-related is something normative cis women. AGPs do this too.
Getting off to your own "femininity", whatever that means to you, is something normative cis women do not engage in but again most AGPs do. Things like getting turned on by dressing up in a normal every day girly outfit in a non-sexual situation, behaving in a stereotypically feminine manner or having others acknowledge your feminity in a non-sexual situation.

Here's where it gets complicated: you can be AGP, trans, or both at the same time. For a lot of people this is just a fetish. For others it is how their sexuality manifested after repressing trans-style thoughts since a very early age. Most posters who shared their story in this thread appear to have wanted to be women since 4-8 and developed AGP at 12-13. See:

>>6516644
>>6516528
>>6516362
>>6537767

HRT seems to axe AGP-style fantasies in most transsexuals but I've ran into at least two transwomen in this thread who reported still having such fantasies after transitioning.

I hope that was clear. I feel rather unfocused today.

>>6568852
>Imagining yourself as a woman in a sexy situation and getting off to that thought because the situation itself is sex-related is something normative cis women.
..do*

>>6568852
so make a pastebin my faam

>>6568298
I can relate to a lot of stuff in the article but I really hate how every article has to shoehorn in stuff about the patriarchy and tumblr stuff in general.

>>6568728
Lol, dude I'd love for Blanchard to come here and shit post

just take your hormones hon

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>would pray to god that I would wake up as a girl when I was 7 or 8
>prayed to satan when it didn't work
>started having agp fantasies when I was 13~
>also realized other boys didn't want to be girls
>feel like a life where I'm not a girl wouldn't be a life at all and want to die


why do i have to be a degenerate faggot

i wish i could just be a girl but I know it's impossible

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>tfw ywn b a qt trap

>>6559876
>It's like my life is stagnating because wanting to be a girl is just a huge roadblock and something that has to be addressed before I can do anything.
Real talk senpai, real talk.

>>6571209
What do I do about it though ?

>>6571249
well, what can you do about it? clearly ignoring isn't working for you

>just stop wanting to be a girl
we have been searching for this forever
>try to be a girl
take hormones and then ???

what else can you do?

>>6571633
shoot myself in the head

>take hormones

It's not an option because I'm too scared and embarrassed and ashamed and I don't think my family would like me if I did.

>>6571831
true, that is an option. but you can always reserve that one for later. if you had a choice between becoming a qt gril and dying, which would you choose (yes I know this may not be realistic, but humor it)?

nobody is going to know you're on hormones for a long time, and if you really are that unpassable, maybe never

>>6571090
>I wish i could just be a girl but I know it's impossible
I tried transition and it's not enough for me...becoming a girl truly is impossible and this is just a cruel joke. God or who ever made us also hates us and he's not listening, he doesn't care how much we cry and pray.

Life is a joke.

>>6548895
Don't worry. Be happy.

Literally.

>>6571860
>I tried transition and it's not enough for me

Why not?

>>6572122
I'm not that person but are you really surprised? The technology is primitive. Unless you started young or you already looked like a girl before you do anything, the best you can hope for is being a little off. And that's just appearances. You won't get decent genitals or reproductive system if you're into that

>>6572189
>>6571860

am i just destined to never be happy or have anything resembling happiness?


should I just shoot myself now and not deal with the trouble ?

>>6572622
be """""""glad"""""" you're """""""just"""""" a """"""""""fetishist"""""""" and not trans ;^)

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>>6572653
>had desires and thoughts about being a girl before anything sexual

im a double degenerate please kill me now


i hate existing

>>6571090
You know, you can get pretty close. Getting pretty close instead of dying sounds like a good idea.

>>6571831
>It's not an option because I'm too scared and embarrassed and ashamed and I don't think my family would like me if I did.
It is still an option. Just one you are currently lacking the courage to pursue. If nothing else you should really go see a therapist. That'll help you no matter what road you end up travelling. Personally I think that if you have a choice between life and death and you do not have to hurt anyone to live then you ought always choose life.

A family which would rather see you dead than happy isn't a very supportive one.

Either way, why are you scared, embarrassed and ashamed? Perhaps going over the reasons will help you think this over.

>>6571860
>>6572622
I mean, there are happy transwomen out there. You might not get exactly what you want but perfect is the enemy of good.

What are some especially good /agp/ things to masturbate too?

>>6572794
Ray Blanchard's twitter profile.

>>6572794
Your own titties and ass ;^)

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Admitted AGP opinions especially appreciated:
http://www.strawpoll.me/10768081

>>6573536
MtFs offend at a significantly lower rate than faggots and straight men due to lower testosterone levels m80.

I'm FTM with an AGP fetish, do I belong here?

>>6573822
As far as I'm concerned yes. I'm not really sure how that works though haha..

AAP here. watching you guys and mtfs is like watching someone who won the lottery shred the ticket. it's infuriating in a way

>>6574878
Same right back to you tbhfam

>>6547584
Can you be AGP and asexual? Or is arousal always sexual? It's like I like tits so much I want to have them.

>>6575236
I'm not asexual but I do have a very low sex drive and I have AGP thoughts and feelings.

>>6574878
FTM then? Right back at you

>>6575373
not ftm. I'll never pass (5'2" 100lbs soaking wet womanlette) so why even try. plus I'll never have a real functional dick

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>>6547584
I think all tranniez are AGP.

>>6573900
I have gender dysphoria and want to transition, but sometimes I still feel sexy trying to pretend to be a woman. Just throw around my sex appeal and my tiddies, mostly for attention/control. I have these really intense desires to be a lesbian, and I love gay-looking women with all of my heart, and I'm really gonna miss dating them. If I could be a man that wears crop tops to attract lesbians, I'd be happy for the rest of my life.

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>>6576528
>>6576528
>tiddies
Please go ahead and never say that ever again. I hate this word more than panties.

>>6576504
Sheen?

>>6576528
Strange how you feel dysphoria and still do this but I suppose we're nothing if not strange. Do you intend to follow through on your feelings and transition?

>>6575236

That's what Blanchard says. He called asexuals analloerotic in his research.

>tfw Blanchard is retweeting Milo

>>6547584
Isn't this just being a crossdresser/transvestite?

>>6579474
Thats a part of it but it goes further than clothes

>>6576567
It makes me feel weird to call them anything that isn't a joke. If I can meme them away I don't have to think about them.

>>6577548
Yes. I was planning on top surgery before hormones because they're huge and I reeeeally need them gone, but I honestly don't know if I can wait that long. I'm currently looking into the best method for getting T, I want a proper endo but I'm not sure where I could find one in this shithole.

>>6579652

Where do you live?

>>6579706
Tornadoville. The buckle of the Bible Belt. Oklahoma, where the wind comes sweeping down the plains.

I'm pretty early in my search, I'm just pretty pessimistic.

>>6579813

Try https://www.uhc.com/find-a-physician, http://provider.bcbs.com, or whatever doctor finder your insurance has.

Endocrinologists handle diabetes, so I'm sure there are some around. The question is whether that particular doctor gives HRT. There are also urologists and gynecologists that do HRT. And I even feel like there are one or two other types of specialists I'm forgetting that might do it too.

>>6579652
Good luck!

>Develop moobs.(Not hrt or anything, just plain old moobs)
>Embarrassed and don't want people to see them.
>At the same time when I'm alone my itty bitty titties make me happy.

>>6580451
I have moobs but I also have belly fat, I would like to get rid of the belly fat without losing the moobs.

>>6574878

Those ftm transitions are horrible to watch.

>>6580529
>tfw I've had no less than 4 friends come out as FTM in the last 5 years

On the bright side, I guess it's not sexist anymore for me to want to beat the shit out of the one who's being a horrible, manipulative human being?

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>>6580529
It just reminds me how T (natural or prescribed) is a one way road

>>6580529
I know...
They want to look like Chad but just end up looking like Dad

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>>6581354
how does a chad look like?
pic is what google gave me when I typed Chad

>>6581416
Ask r9k what a Chad looks like

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>>6581416

Handsome, masculine face; muscular; usually white; tall; well-dressed; etc. Pussy slayer incarnate. That's it for looks. Character-wise he could be stupid, an asshole, intelligent, and/or a bro.

>>6581354
Most I've known end up looking like Chads anyway. It's a double gut-punch: they threw away the gift of femininity and then got a better male body than you'll ever have in return.

>>6581521
It's cruel

>>6580581
oh no, it's still sexist

>>6579948
Wow, thank you so much! I'm currently on my mom's insurance ($10,000 deductible because she can't afford very high payments) but I'm looking to get my own ASAP.

Yeah, my issue would be with finding one who has experience with trans stuff. I don't know who to trust, y'know? I don't wanna end up on too low a dose and never see any changes, or on too high a dose and ruin my voice.

>>6581521
> femininity
> gift

What m8. It is a fucking curse.

>>6581521

Yah but you have a better dick than the chadest of ftms. You can also bust a nut on a slut. Oh and no surgeries requires, no injections needed. Want a triple whammy? Ftm chad doesn't have to deal with AGP.

Statisticly ftm chad should be uncommon, don't know how you know so many. How is it they're body is better than yours? Just more swole and defined than you?

>>6584600

You're welcome. What do you mean by ruin your voice? Does getting too much T too fast limit how deep it can go?

>>6584744
I honestly hate even hearing half the things you list as "benefits." Just the terms alone are gross.

The FTMs make better physical men than I do because they're either huge to begin with or they're that perfect ottermode size with little effort. Oh, and beards. They can always grow beards. Two months of T gives them better facial hair than I've ever grown once in my 26 years of living, and in a society where women are increasingly believing that a mans virility is tied to his facial hair, they look like better men unshaven and can still pass as women when cleaned up.

Meanwhile, I just look like a toad of a manlet with weird torso to leg proportions.

>>6585402
Well, you could always take test yourself
but since you're on agpg I have a feeling that's not exactly what you're after

>>6588657
Definitely not. I'm still on the more masc side of things and hate it. I'm more frustrated by watching people give up what I want to become better at what people want me to be.

>>6584753
Yeah, regular male puberty takes a while and occurs when everything (cartilage etc) is still stretchy and growing. Ftms tend to want as much test as we can cram into our puny bodies so we can look masc right away, but that doesn't give enough time for the cartilage and vocal flaps and chords to adjust to the changes.

If you go too fast, you end up with this weird high-pitched chipmunk voice, which sounds about as male or female as nails on a chalkboard.

>>6585402
Dude, all ftms have horrible facial hair for the first few years. And, much the same as cis boys going through puberty, they won't fucking shave it. It looks terrible. You're fine.

>>6585402

Wow feel sorry for you bro. You must be one helluva manlet if ftms are huge compared to you. Sounds like you hate your penis too?

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Um... I'll just leave this here...
https://vimeo.com/84150219

>>6591763
Not really, though I am definitely short. There's like a 50/50 split between the FTMs that ended up tall, good looking Chads, and the ones my size or shorter who ended up looking like the perfect bishonen boys you have to be to get attention without facial hair these days.

I don't know if I hate my dick. I'm just really indifferent about it, occasionally find it an annoyance, and have severe vagina envy since penetrating a girl does almost nothing for me sexually. Last time I had a go I was able to stay aroused but went on for 20 minutes without feeling much of anything.

>>6593014

Ah I get it, your short, masc and beardless, you have the worst of both worlds. Short but not cute, masc but not big.

So women like beards now? Good to hear, I only have one because shaving annoys my skin and my face isnt chiseled enough to warrant it since im kinda fat.

>>6592462

I've seen that video multiple times before. Seeing it made me excited to get the Rift and some girl simulator.

>>6547584
Anyone else here agp and primarily a dom?

>>6596186
Are there any girl simulators out there already? I mean stuff designed purposefully for roleplaying as one, not second life shit

It would be nice if you could import MMD models into the game and turn into a poorly modelled anime girl and watch yourself in a mirror and stuff

>>6597194

Looking at yourself in the mirror is fine and all, but I want the next update to include rough sex with a male.

In seriousness, I haven't looked into any current girl simulators since I'm waiting for 1. VR headsets, peripherals, and PC hardware to become cheaper (not sure by how much right now) and 2. one of the platforms to come out on top so I don't waste money being an early adopter of a later dead platform.

Does anyone else here like to fap in front of a mirror when they dress up? I know it's a meme but I've been doing it more and more lately. Sometimes I just dress up and fap w/o a mirror tho.

>>6597512
God no. Unless you're insanely passable I don't know how you could. I think I did it once and was just so thoroughly disgusted wig what I saw in the mirror I never did it again.

how do i make myself AGP? I'm a closet ftm and I want to at least be able to have sex and feel aroused in the female role.

>>6598433
Might as well just ask us how to make you not a tranny

>>6597512
I do, but I'm also transitioning, so seeing my progress turns me on.

>>6597512
>>6598939
same

>>6559605

>always thought every guy wanted to be a girl until I was 13 years old

Still cant get over this at 22
I cannot believe that every guy I see wouldn't rather be female

>>6601404
Lol
Then get on the pills my lad

Anybody gotten cold feet with HRT? Just wondering how long you can take them without permanent changes? Infertility i don't care so much about, but at which point do the breasts not go away anymore?

>>6601552
Probably between 4-7 months I'd say, although I haven't stopped so maybe they would still disappear after that. It's just a guess.

>>6601552
as a person on hrt who saw this browsing the front page,
breast buds form hrt form pretty early, within the first 1 or 2 months for me, and are permanent, but probably wouldn't be noticable to other people
beyond this I'm at month 6.5 and it's obvious when nude, but would probably mostly be reversible, but not for much longer

>>6601404
>I cannot believe that every guy I see wouldn't rather be female
1. I cannot believe that every man and woman I see wouldn’t rather be something they are sexually attracted to.
2. I cannot believe that every man and woman don’t see that male and female is inferior to shemale.
3. I have an explanation for all that: prevalent sadomasochism. To normies, if there’s no rape or exploitation, there’s no sex. Women are attracted to men who beat them and disregard respectful men (friendzone). Cisheterosexuality = sadomasochism lite.

>>6604967
>and here we see the betamale (neckbeardicous loserdicous) in her natural state, complaining online about being a 'nice guy' and contemplating forced transsexuality

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>>6580451
>>6580459
Nothing more tasteful than moobs on a healthy body (left). Moobs only look bad on bad bodies. To me, the sight of flat male chests is offensive. I would vote to outlaw male topless nudity. Anyone with me?

>>6604991
Not everyone who lives in poverty is poor. I have literally everything what it takes to be an alpha – except will. I’m not interested in deceptive relationships. It also doesn’t help that women have no dicks and don’t share my sexual interests.

>>6605020
tbqh all males should be examined at puberty (perhaps on penis inspection day), and those whose testosterone levels exceed a certain threshold should be put on HRT

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>>6605345
So wrong.
a) Testosterone is what makes women sexy and healthy.
b) Excess testosterone is what gives men boobs.

>>6605522
didn't you get banned from posting this forced meme in tranny help, lad?

>Very passable crossdresser from 16-23

Then I stopped, I either keep my current life or abandon everyone/thing I knew to make a girl life.

Wish I knew of this at 12, relevant links for AGP feelers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine

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>>6605558
There you go. I found the screenshot.

I thought I was banned for not having a trip code. I didn’t know that the purpose of moderation was manipulation of public debate and meme control. Maybe put it in the rules to avoid such misunderstandings. No mod came out to inform me about this prior to banning me. Also post an index of prohibited beliefs.

People force the opposite meme all the time. See >>6605345 and >>6605593. Why is my meme bannable and the opposite meme is not? And how do you stand by any belief without making a meme?

>>6605753
because the opposite wasn't posted a million times

>>6605848
Except it is. To the point that I am the only person posting a dissenting opinion. I can index them to prove it.

If no one posted the opposite opinion, I would sit quiet because I would have nothing to respond to. The opposite posts outnumber my posts like 1:10,000. You are selectively blind to the deluge of posts that suit your beliefs because they don’t alert you.

You know, banning people for spreading wrong beliefs would make SOME sense if they promoted violence, fascism, or AT LEAST an ideology contrary to the LGBT cause – such as, for example, homophobia. Not because such messages are wrong – but simply because doing so would be consistent with the (inherently liberal) LGBT ideology. It would make SOME sense.

I’m asking you: do you even know at this point which beliefs you want to suppress?

Or is your goal to thwart just ALL free thought indiscriminately?

Obviously you aren’t nationalists because /pol/ users constantly accuse you of suppressing nationalism, homophobia, misogyny and such. Which leaves only the second possibility: that you want to have a total control over the public discourse to suit any random ideology at hand, or even no ideology at all.

I’m not sure whether non-violent PSYOP is really better for the nation than outright war, physical repressions and government terror (assuming patriotic intents of those engaged in it). Look at East Germany and at the harm done by Stasi. They tried to do the same.

I’m sincerely not sure.

>>6605753
>See >>6605345 and >>6605593.
Meant >>6605610, not >>6605593. Sorry.

>>6605956
seek help

>>6606154
Help me.

>>6606215
there's a difference between memeing every once in a while and spamming an awkward opinion to the point where you can be remembered as "that guy"
like, it's nice you have an obsession with muscly women, but 99% of people don't, and then you get into massive arguments about it. it's not even funny

>>6606277
It doesn’t sit well with me but I’m thinking about it. Thanks for trying.
At the moment, I need a lunch more than anything else.

>>6606376
well i'm not trying to be mean, it's just that the difference seems clear to me. i can't even remember if i've ever posted something like >>6605345 before.

>>6548895
>I don't fap or look at porn anymore but I used to be addicted. I'm straight, or maybe bi i dunno. I have low libido but I get turned on mentally and physically while reading about feminization, nonsexual stuff I just happen to come across. It happens on its own.
This desu but skip the "used to masturbate more" part. Masturbation is a waste of time for me.

>>6551612
Oh Jesus christ. I didn't come here for like a week to avoid seeing responses to my post.
In the meantime I've had two extremely detailed dreams where the second one picked up after the first. They were both about being a girl, visiting a guy for summer and being his girlfriend (and dirty slut in private) for almost two weeks.
Then I wake up.

>>6547584
>Some people with AGP will go on to transition, while others are content with incorporating it into their sex life or simply the occasional indulgence. It varies greatly in intensity. If AGP consumes a lot of your mental energy or causes you lots of distress, it is probably worth asking more questions.

This seems silly. The only way I could indulge or incorporate it into my sex life is if I could actually inhabit the body of a girl whenever I want to. Technology is obviously not quite there yet, so how else could it possibly happen?

>>6607326
Aaand I just not realized I responded to a ten day old post, responding to my post which is even older.
Guess that's what I get for not keeping this tab open, to not constantly remind me of reality.

>>6557371
this actually made me emotional FUCK

>>6607328
Not everyone has the same type and severity as you do

>>6607328
If I went into HRT I'd prefer to have small tits for this very reason. I really just would prefer to be a closeted tranny but that seems next to impossible

>>6609769
you can always be a SERM lab rat

So, I know how weird this is about to sound, but does anyone else here love (and I mean -love-) the smell of their own ball musk? Like, I like any kind of perspiration in general but ball musk in particular is awesome. Sometimes on a hot summer day when I go out and wear those really short, tight shorts I can faintly smell my ball musk whenever they ride up (eg when I crouch down) and in a weird way, I feel like it enhances my femininity.
I know I sound like a stereotypical creepy old hon right about now but I'm actually pretty vanilla overall by agp standards, I just can't get over how good ball sweat smells.

>>6611273
Jesus dude

>>6547584
ehm, so i wanna ask a question i think have AGP in some form. Basically i want to be a girl and want to be with my bf and want to be socially seen as a girl and i have severe sex dysphoria yet i randomly pop boners even though im 8 months on HRT when i for example am doing my make-up, or am dressing a bit lewd or anything really, it's making me really depressed

>>6613127
How the fuck do so many of y'all have boy/girl friends despite being sexually fucked up?
I don't want to be in any relationship unless I'm a girl.

>>6547584 straight guy here (few homo experiences but way prefer women, dad, married)

first time posting on lgbt

>AGP definition

wtf. all men get boner on at the idea of being in a women's body. every guy ive ever talked to would love to be in a womens body and fuck themselves. we're all clear on this.. right? its very ordinary.

>>6613127
>>6613217

Your post numbers had me thinking I was replying to the same post twice (which I now am).

>>6613127

It's involuntary, right? You're not thinking anything related to it?

>>6613217

It sounds like she's transitioned to some degree though. So she is dating her boyfriend as a girl.

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>>6613233
>wtf. all men get boner on at the idea of being in a women's body. every guy ive ever talked to would love to be in a womens body and fuck themselves. we're all clear on this.. right? its very ordinary.
elaborate

>>6613342
>It sounds like she's transitioned to some degree though. So she is dating her boyfriend as a girl.
Yeah. So I don't understand exactly what the question or problem is.
If it's AGP to be a transitioning girl (is that the right word?) is turned out at doing "sexy" girl things?

I still really want my question answered.
How can you be in a relationship? I know I don't, unless I were a girl.
And, how the shit did you find someone so understanding?

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>>6609769
>you can't take t and be in a closet

>>6613432
>turned out
Turned ON, obviously.
And I would say yes, that's AGP, to be turned on at being (a woman who is doing things to be) attractive to a man

>>6613233
Yes and all men actually would rather be women they are just more mentally strong to get over it ;^)

>>6613127
Ultimately what matters is you finding a way to be comfortable with yourself. Are you happier living as a woman, even when not turned on or whatever? If yes then you ought find a way to work through the rest. If not then it is time to do some thinking.

>>6613233
Sure, but before bed did you ever pray to God as a kid to make you into a girl? Cry yourself to sleep about it? Feel like you've been hit in the gut because you can't be a girl? Genuinely want to be the girl in a relationship or family, not just cuz ezmode?

>>6547584
>you can be agap and trans
ok op whatever floats your faggot boat. I myself am not trans because I like being a man. However I have taken female hormones and t-blocker as well as breast augmentation, expressly for fapping purposes.

>>6616703
ah, thanks for the wonderful insight that proves that statement wrong

also
>I myself am not trans
> However I have taken female hormones and t-blocker as well as breast augmentation

>>6616703
The whole thing about agp (at least from my experience) is that it's not that you mind being a man, it's that you prefer being a girl.

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>G Eugene Pichler recommends self-identifying transsexuals with an affected autogynephilic addiction undergo anticonvulsant therapy to alleviate symptoms of the behavioral addiction.
>After the 90-day period the symptoms of the behavioral addiction should be completely alleviated and the affected individual can be taken off the medication.
http://www.transgression.com/Books/AcceptableLosses/OnlineMaterial/TreatmentProtocol

>>6621089
And what does that mean using regular words?

>>6624091
>""""""""pimozide""""""""

>>6626337
That's not an anticonvulsant

>>6624091
Epilepsy drugs for 90 days

>>6621089
>>6626342
+ I took this exact drug as a teenager/young adult and it didn't really have any effects on anything besides preventing migraines

>>6621089
i'm sure the SJW liberal Jewish cabal are the ones withholding this simple miracle cure so that they can turn your sons into fetishistic transsexuals
nice find lad

>>6621089
holy shit. i must try this out. time to kill this fucking degeneracy

>having dream
>ends up turning into straight sexual fantasy
>gril grinding on me
>start noticing her features more, wideness of hips etc.
>start self inserting and arousal gets amped up
Kill. Me. Now.
Why can't I just have one good thing

How common are fantasies like this? What causes them?
>>6628284
>tfw parents never forced you to trap in public and at school lest you wanted to be locked in your room all day and fed scraps
what the hell!

>>6634024
among us or among normies?

>>6634403
I meant us, or trans girls in general. But now that you mention it, among normies too?

>>6634474
idk, sounds like a fairly vanilla forced fem thing yknow? lots of trannies wouldn't admit to such a thing because then they would be agp fetishist scum. i doubt a lot of normies have this fetish

>>6568807
>That's why I like having sex in front of a mirror.
That's taking it pretty far. Even if I was a pretty girl I think I'd be happy just feeling a guy on top of me, no need for a mirror too.

>>6613127
I'm ftm, and I had the same shit happen to me. I'd get a little aroused dressing up, mostly because it was such a thrill. Like yeah, look at how hot I am, let's go break some hearts tonight! I mean, I was uncomfortable, but the attention I got outweighed my discomfort.

I've talked to a lot of women about this. It's normal desu.

>>6636901
>I've talked to a lot of women about this.
what did they say?

and surely for you the people to speak to would be guys, since they are the ones who would have aap like you if cis people do have it?

>>6637065
>and surely for you the people to speak to would be guys, since they are the ones who would have aap
No, I think anon was trying to say he had AGP arousal when he was still living as a woman, from wearing female clothes and stuff

>>6640347
if you have agp as a woman why would you go ftm?!

>Obsessively post in this thread for 2 months
>Actually feel better
>"All of these people experience actual dysphoria! I'm not like that. Maybe this is nothing more than a kink."
>Spend 2 weeks living happily
>Get depressed for apparently no reason
>AGP comes knocking
I can't figure out whether my AGP brings about depression or my depression awakens AGP.

>>6636901
That's really interesting. Whether normative cis women experience AGP-like feels is actually a major point of contention. My position used to be that the self-arousal of women at being sexy and the self-arousal of AGPers at their own "femininity" is very different. Maybe I'm wrong though. It is not really something you can ask the women in your life as a man haha.

>>6645660
idk
i started down the hill when the rest of my life was also going to shit. it's a difficult question..

>>6645660
I'm not really sure if I feel better, or worse, knowing there are people who feel the way I do.
I don't fetishize this… "thing" as much as some posters do, so I still feel alienated

>>6646212
Would you like to share your experience?

>>6646247
I don't think if /lgbt/ has an archive, I only post here from my phone, but I made this post
>>6548949
I don't want to have /lgbt/ in my search history, and I hate having this thread open always because then I can't force away the thoughts.

I also recently had dreams about (being a girl, of course), and visiting the guy I fantasized about in the post. I'd stay with him over summer, like his girlfriend.
Of course we'd have lots and lots of sex, and of course I'd initiate the moment he came home, but the biggest focus was on doing "couples stuff", like shopping together, taking walks and holding hands, him being taller than me.

It hurts, Anon. At this point I'd be satisfied with being a trap, but I can't be that either. And I'd feel bad knowing I could never give him kids.

>>6547738
Apparently you responded to me, too. Sorry for being so late.
I don't. I can see a girl, and see she's atteactive, but it ends there.
I don't want to have sex with her (and not with a guy either, unless I'm a girl)
I don't really masturbate either, like once or maybe twice per week. I wouldn't describe what I feel at the end of masturbation as an orgasm.
It's muscle spasms for a few seconds, then cleaning up.
I don't hate my penis, but I don't care about it either, so I don't have genital dysphoria.

I've accepted I'm not going to find love. It sucks I learnt this so early, I guess.

>>6643886
Because he only had arousal I assume and not the tranny kinda AGP people have here

i hate being retarded. all of a sudden my hard drives died and since i've been too depressed to do anything but play vidya i haven't backed up in a while. now i lose shit and i just want to cry and can't even numb myself with entertainment
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>>6634024
I used to have fantasies like that, but that didn't last long because I realised (or started being; can't tell) I was dysphoric shortly after they started, which made me much less aroused by them and made me feel like a total degenerate for having them.

Honestly, my AGP isn't very severe at all, even though my actual gender dysphoria is. At least for me, I think the attraction to most if not all of the AGP sexual fantasies was caused by one or both of these factors:
>the forced feminisation essentially acting as an excuse to be a girl without taking responsibility for it and with it being accepted by at least some people.
>most of the arousal coming from other fetishes the scenario has mixed into it (such as mind control, BDSM, or humiliation), with the actual feminisation aspects almost being just a "delivery mechanism" for them rather than the fundamental aspect of the sexual side of the fantasy. Though in this case whatever interaction the AGP aspects have with the gender dysphoria/transsexualism makes the emotional effect much greater.

>>6646524
>>6634024
Since I'm already writing on this topic I want to post more about myself. This is part of something I've I've been slowly writing out for myself for a while just to clarify my thoughts. I don't even know what kind of responses I'm expecting here.

I only consume feminisation pornography when I stumble across it, because if I were to go looking for it literally over 99% would be too unpleasant to tolerate and certainly to enjoy. The disgust and discomfort with things like that being sexualised (especially in an unrealistic way) makes me unable to consume porn like that. I can tolerate and enjoy it if the subject acts normally and actually likes what's happening to them on a non-sexual level, but then it's actually not even porn and basically just becomes a fictional portrayal of transition, and while I'm still aroused by it it's not really a sexual experience overall; I'm just very emotionally invested in it and I want to experience the character being who they want to be.

I'm basically "trutrans" in terms of symptoms in every way apart from the AGP and the age at which I started experiencing gender dysphoria (mid teens). Generally I'm not particularly aroused by feminisation, or by acting feminine, or other "AGP things". I definitely have a sexuality and can be sexually aroused by many other things, but sexual fantasies featuring myself have to have me being female (otherwise there's dysphoria and no arousal, despite the arousal from the actual idea of being female being weak to nonexistent). I think it's appropriately described as the arousal being incidental to the dysphoria rather than the foundation of it or a fundamental component of it. In other words my AGP feelings are very mild, and I'm not motivated to transition by the arousal in any significant way; I am motivated by gender dysphoria and what I understand to be my genuine female identity.

>>6634024
>>6646524
>>6646533
I can literally tell you the exact thing that either started my dysphoria or made me aware of it. It's a /d/ thread from 2010 entitled "4chan Trap Slave Conspiracy", which is a "true story" about how 4chan users are kidnapped and forcibly made into feminised sex slaves. I saved it and thought I deleted it out of shame and confusion after I became dysphoric, but it turns out I didn't. The archive I got it from is gone now, but most of the main part is reposted to http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=49945As

As I said in >>6646524, it's arousing partially because it mixes together so many of my other fetishes. At the time it was about the hottest thing I'd ever experienced, and it pretty much kick-started my sexuality. Reading it again after so long, I can still pinpoint the parts that had a particularly strong effect on me (and still do), and a lot of them are the ones that seem to have the most non-sexual value (though they are still arousing). Like this, for example:
>Good sluts have been known to be rewarded by sexual encounters with women; but at this point, it is more of a lesbian experience than anything.

>>6645674
>>6637065
It's not that cis girls have AGP thoughts the same way amab people have AGP thoughts. There's no taboo aspect or anything. i mean, some girls get off to imagining that they had bigger boobs and a better figure, but it's not super common from what I've seen.

It's more of an arousal when getting dressed up, putting on your best outfit and doing your makeup nicely. It's really exciting, like you're hyping up your night.

Or putting on lingerie, it's not so much going "look at me being a woman in this lingerie, oohoohoo so l-lewd" like an autist, but more "dang, look at me! I look fiiine, i am gonna get some good dick tonight." "I'm gonna be the girl that rocks his world."

It doesn't focus so much on actually being or becoming a woman, because they already are, but I'd still class it as AGP because they are aroused because they imagine themselves as the sexy women in that situation.

I'm not explaining this very well, sorry. I can type up a better explanation when I've had some sleep if you want.

>>6643886
Because I still have gender dysphoria and it makes me much more comfortable to present as male.

Being attractive as a girl was sort of a meme to me. Like it was fun because I got attention, and people liked me because I was attractive, and it was definitely arousing to be able to command that kind of power with my tits. But in the end, it just got kinda tiring. It wasn't what I really wanted, and I think I was doing it partly because I had something to prove to myself.

I'm just a lot more comfortable now. Sometimes I miss being able to turn heads, but it doesn't happen often.

>>6646736
>I'm not explaining this very well,
It makes perfect sense to me. That girls are aroused at making someone else aroused, where a guy with AGP is arousing themselves by doing the same things.

>>6646966
I definitely get aroused by the other person being aroused

that's why a hard cock is such a turn-on

>>6646977
Well, I'm not aroused by the idea of being a girl, only at making a guy aroused (as a girl).

>>6646736
>Being attractive as a girl was sort of a meme to me. Like it was fun because I got attention, and people liked me because I was attractive, and it was definitely arousing to be able to command that kind of power with my tits. But in the end, it just got kinda tiring.

Transgirl just passing through and I can relate. In relationships before coming out I could definitely feel some warmth, maybe even pride in being someone's "boyfriend" just because I felt valued and important to someone. Looking back I can also recognize that the way I saw myself back then was much less healthy than it is now. I put no value in my own well-being. Sort of like my idea of a perfect relationship as a man was to just be there and enjoy the life of my partner and children vicariously.

>>6646350
>I don't hate my penis, but I don't care about it either, so I don't have genital dysphoria.

That's not how it works. There are a lot of tranwomen whose feelings toward their penis is between disinterest and mild acceptance but still want and get SRS. Thinking that you have to absolutely despise your genitals to be dysphoric is a normie and gatekeeper maymay.

>>6647106
>maymay

says the AGP anon

>>6647122
I'm not AGP, anon. When I masturbate I think of dicks that float through a shapeless ether, like a normal person.

>>6647106
What is genital dysphoria then?
I genuinely don't know.

>>6647160
Genital dysphoria can be intense disgust and hatred, sure, but dysphoria can also be very low-key. It can appear when you put on tight fitting pants or simply underwear and you see a bulge, but otherwise you are fine with it. Or you might be okay on your own, but feel embarrassed when you are around other people just feeling your penis, even if you are sure that no one else can see it. You might not get or be aware of genital dysphoria until you start going full-time. Keep in mind that most trans people masturbate before transitioning, which gives you objectively good feelings, even before you understand what sex or masturbation even are. Many dmab trans girls might not even be aware that vulvas are a thing and still identify as a girl somehow, but also simulatenously play with their genitals. You are bound to develop complicated feelings about your body image this way.

>>6647193
Thanks.
I definitely don't have any of this.

>>6647362
Do you present as female? Have you had thoughts, dreams, or fantasies about genital mutilation as a child? I'm not trying to convince you you do have repressed dysphoria, but dysphoria is a thing that changes and develops over time.

>>6647193
I have this but I don't want to get rid of my penis because it feels like I'll regret having a normally functioning sex organ.

>>6647384

>Have you had thoughts, dreams, or fantasies about genital mutilation as a child?

Did anyone else have this strong desire to chop off their dick whenever they got blindingly mad as a kid? I haven't heard of anyone else having that. It wasn't out of a sexual desire or I think dysphoria, I think it just felt like that would be that would relieve all the anger.

>>6647414
>It wasn't out of a sexual desire or I think dysphoria

Well, a lot of mtfs don't think it's dysphoria until years later when they go, "oh, right."

>>6647384
>present as female
As in, do I ask people to call me "her", or wear "girl clothes"?
No.
And no, I don't think I've ever thought or dreamt of cutting my penis off.
I just don't care for it.

>>6647425

No, I can point out other memories that were out of dysphoria from that time, but I really don't think that was out of any sense of dysphoria. Just a desire to harm myself when I got angry.

>>6647503

I think when people say "present as female" they just mean dressing like a girl, nothing about passing is implied.

>>6647518
>dressing like a girl,
Nope. Only in my dreams/fantasies/porn.

>>6621089
Might be an idea for severe agp. Problem is agp is an orientation, although perhaps we can become addicted to excessive expression of it.

I smoke a bowl of weed erryday to manage my agp and it does seem to help some.

Some of pichlers science and ancedotal evidence is a bit questionable. If this is really a valid treatment protocol, it should be tested in a study at least.

>>6647068
>Sort of like my idea of a perfect relationship as a man was to just be there and enjoy the life of my partner and children vicariously.
How'd you get to the point where you are now? That sounds a lot like my views on men and women, honestly. I always envied women for getting to be free while we didn't.

>>6547584
Does anyone else think agp might just be a transformation fetish and nothing else?

I have gotten turned on my all sorts of transformation fetishes during my childhood and teenage years that includes male to female and human to animal etc. Anything that had some form of transformation made me horny but the male to female ones especially.

>>6650987
Nope.

>>6651021
I guess it's just me then.

So...I guess I'm not agp but rather a tranny with a weird transformation fetish then?

>>6650987
It could be. If you have both it can be hard to distinguish them. If you aren't turned on by any AGP stuff not involving transformation (fantasies of having always been a cis female, acting in feminine ways, being thought of as a woman by others, etc.) then you'd be fairly safe to assume it's just a subset of your transformation fetish, but even then you can't be sure.

>>6650987
It's the same for me. Humiliation and playing an inferior or less powerful role add into it. Sometimes it's the opposite and I fantasize about being a girl because they seem to have more value in society and males are ugly and worthless. In the role of the girl you can feel confident and sexy with your social future secured.

>>6650987
most of this board consist is glorified fetishes with some social agenda mostly based on victim complexes. nothing to be surprised about.

>>6651047
Or just a guy with a transformation fetish.
I don't want to be a girl, I want to be a guy's girlfriend and to love him.

>>6650987
Yeah I did. For years. Then I started, at random, feeling really sad that I wasn't a woman.

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>Visiting old friends for the summer
>Get drunk off my ass late one night
>Can't satisfy my libido, so I start slowly replacing my clothes the clothes of one's sister
>Endless barrage of taunting ensues
>Can't remember too much else about the night
>Friends wake me up the next morning, all with shit-eating grins
>Show pictures of me in the leggings, skirt, and blouse that I'm still wearing

They all have blackmail of me, but I have never been so aroused. Adding to that, I'm actually somewhat happy that my friends got to see me like that. As for their take on it, I can't tell if they just think I was being goofy or if they recognized the sexual side of it. They made it out to be funny, so I guess they never saw how erect I was.

>While getting aroused
Oh yeah, I wanna fuck that bitch pretty bad!
>While fapping
Oh yeah right in my pussy I'm such a bitch oh yes~

Man, at least most other fetishes are clear on what they want

>>6658489
Did they show the pics of them balls deep in you're bussy ;^)

>>6596307
I am. Though I do have some masochistic fantasies on occasion, I am primarily dominant. To be honest, I find that submissiveness tends to increase when my self-confidence is low, along with my AGP fantasies/desire to transition When my life is relatively stable, I forget about transitioning and I don't have nearly as many AGP/masochistic fantasies.

Is anybody else so AGP that they never developed a normal sexuality or even know what their sexuality is?

For years I read and watched AGP fantasy stuff without masturbating (although I'd get hard). Meanwhile as I aged through puberty I never developed what I thought was an attraction for any other person I'd ever seen, emotionally or sexually. I remember saying I had a crush on a girl in like Grade 4 but I think that might be just been because she was nice and pretty. I never watched porn and never had a sexual or romantic experience. So, from like the age of like 16-17 I assumed I was asexual, although I constantly flip flopped in my brain and never consolidated on one identity.

Then, I'm 18ish years old and I start having wet dreams, often. I don't ever learn what happens in these dreams (potentially revealing something about my sexuality) because I don't remember dreams ever period. But, the whole ordeal is embarrassing so I try out masturbating as a utilitarian thing to prevent them. When I try it for the first time I find out that I can jerk it to straight content as well as my AGP stories. So, I assume I'm heterosexual and I guess this thing I've been reading about called AGP. But, I've still never found an attraction to somebody in real life, so does that mean I'm asexual? Should I doubt my hetero porn behaviour as actually just working through AGP thoughts (to this day I find it hard to seperate AGP and non AGP attraction when masturbating)?

So, here I am now. Probably attracted to women and most definitely AGP but without any romantic feelings or lived attraction to anybody I've seen. Maybe I just have a really low libido? Maybe attraction is much much more subtle than I'm lead to believe. Idk. But, the one thing I never even remotely ever thought I was was attracted to men.

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>>6666138
Part 2/2

Queue like a month ago and I feel like experimenting. So, I scroll through some female hetero and male gay oriented tumblrs and subreddits and I manage to jerk it successfully. Welp, now I'm fucked. I've managed to masturbate twice more since then. But, the one thing that I don't know is if this is just a result of AGP (yet again?) and I'm just fantasising about it in a way I never have before (it's always been very focused on my own body and not sex). But it's not the same as my attraction to women. I can't just look at a hot guy and masturbate to it. So far each time I've thought about sex specifixally when climaxing. Which leads me to thinking, is this how sexual attraction really is supposed to work and my hetero tendencies ARE JUST 100% AGP?

I don't fucking know anymore guys. Am I straight? Am I gay? Am I bi? Am I an ace? I can't believe I'm at a place in my life where this is the conundrum I'm stuck with, AND that it's actually bothering me. I just want to know. I just want to be normal and capable of these relationships others are. I don't care if I'm any of the three or even ace. I just want to know who I am and be able to feel something.

Aaaaaand now I'm crying. Sorry for the blog.

>>6666138
>>6666149
i have the same wonders and also had the same conclusion/hypothesis:
>But it's not the same as my attraction to women. I can't just look at a hot guy and masturbate to it. So far each time I've thought about sex specifixally when climaxing. Which leads me to thinking, is this how sexual attraction really is supposed to work and my hetero tendencies ARE JUST 100% AGP?
i've mostly been masturbating to (well, this one) hetero video, self-inserting as the girl

>>6666138
>Is anybody else so AGP that they never developed a normal sexuality or even know what their sexuality is?
>Meanwhile as I aged through puberty I never developed what I thought was an attraction for any other person I'd ever seen, emotionally or sexually
Yes
>low libido
If you add in a "never had an orgasm", too, then yes. I scheduled a doctor's appointment for the libido and orgasm thing.

>>6666562
Also
>I don't fucking know anymore guys. Am I straight? Am I gay? Am I bi? Am I an ace? I can't believe I'm at a place in my life where this is the conundrum I'm stuck with, AND that it's actually bothering me. I just want to know. I just want to be normal and capable of these relationships others are.
Yes to all. Spent a week and two bottles of vodka wondering if maybe I'm gsy instead.
I feel the except same way about wanting to be capable of being in a relationship. I would feel like a total loser, because I couldn't/wouldn't be able to satisfy my partner's sexual needs.

>>6658598
>this is me
>this is litterally me.
>this is not figuratively me.
We are the same person.

>>6666138
>>6666149
Wish I could help but this is pretty foreign to me. Hang in there.

>>6579652
The fact that there seems to be a significant number of people gifted with big tits/dicks who wish they didn't have those parts at all while others wish more than anything to possess those attributes in even modest quantities is a good argument for maltheism

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>>6670445

Neither of them have hips, but the one in red and pink at least has huge tits, so I'm a little envious of that. Purple bra has some nice tits too though.

>>6670475
same person in both

>>6670445
>dude belly
>not visible knees (probably masculine shaped as well)
>no ass
>decent boobs tho
not jelly at all because boobs are a sub par part of the body tbqh
come back after they grow a big ass ass and then I'll be jelly of them

>>6670445
>large shoulders
>large ribcage
>narrow hips
>man abdomen
not jelly

>>6670445
>>6670475
>>6670513
>>6671061
>'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.'
Better than what I could hope for. Jealous for sure.

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>>6674035

Just being honest, senpai. Why go 100% jelly for a girl who's only got 30% of what I want?

>>6674075
I'd still trade with her.

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>>6674078

You might have a point there. But I'll wait until after I'm on injections to see if I still have reason to be envious of her titties before I'll say I would trade. Though I guess I shouldn't hope for much since my father's sisters and mother are all flat, and my mom's breasts didn't get beyond a small size until after pregnancy.

>>6674078
Duh.
But there are other girls I'd much rather trade with.
Brain transplants when?

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>>6674035
>muh sour grapes
the picture shows a tranny with several very obviously male features. why would i be jealous of that when there are a million pictures of insanely cute real girls to be jealous of?

>>6651047
I have a theory that transformation fetishes grow out of trans feelings, as there is a heavy overlap between transformation and genderbending and most people report trans thoughts prior to getting into the porn stuff.

>>6549681
I was dating a non-crazy woman that loved me dressing up and getting all fem. It's out there, but it might take more than a little looking.

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>>6677318
>tfw there was nobody to tell you this when you were still young

>lock crossdressing stuff in a bag and hide beneath old stuff
>go away for a year and a half
>return, stuff hasn't disapeared or been messed with
>big success

>>6677720
>hide dildo and lube below shelf in the back of my closet
>one day while I am at college mom decides to clean out my closet and remove the entire shelf
>doesn't care about me being a fag
>going to start hrt soon
went pretty well overall I guess

>>6676793
because you can never be a real girl
but you can be a tranny with some manly features

>>6678115
so?

Is there even any point in going on HRT as an AGP if you have no hope of ever passing(height + feet and hand size) ?

I fantasize about being a girl a lot but if I start hormones I won't ever end up truly being one nor even looking like a(cute) one so what's the point? I was thinking of maybe just starting to work on my girl voice and catfish retards through the internet

>>6678269
the point is that if you're actually a tranny you won't get any worse on hrt, and either way since you're going to be a foreveralone faggot you might as well make fapping more stimulating

>>6678321
I don't think transitioning is a good idea if it is only a sex thing for you. If you're both AGP and transsexual then that's another story.

>>6678321
>the point is that if you're actually a tranny
I don't think so.
Trannies, from what I have read, have a problem with being a man as much as with wanting to be a woman. For me I don't really hate being a guy much, I simply get insanely turned on from imagining myself as a girl up to a point where if I could choose I'd most likely choose being a woman.

>you won't get any worse on hrt
I would become a social outcast and a freakshow hon.

>and either way since you're going to be a foreveralone faggot
Not my case really.

>>6678115
the skeleton is inescapable

>>6678334
well if you've already made up your mind so hard then why ask?

>>6548835
Go get it with a straight face. People don't fucking care.

>>6548835
dunno how it is in america but in canada any packages I order from amazon are always either in boxes or opaque bags with no indication what's inside.

migrate
>>6684429

>>6548403
The *literal* meaning of the term may be somewhat off (female reproductive system vs. external genitals, secondary sex characteristics, and cultural stereotypes of femininity), but one might say it's "close enough", and with some elaboration it's clear enough what the term is supposed to mean; especially clear to those who experience it and thus immediately know what's meant.

Also, from what I know, Blanchard has never really been disproven. It was just some trans activists going all incredibly mad over his classification and claiming he's wrong.

>>6549571
>Blanchard and his wild theories have never been respected by the scientific community
To the contrary, his typology was used by other researchers looking into transsexualism.
>time and time again proven wrong
[citation needed]
>was and is a very prominent flaming homosexual
Uhm, so what?
>had an agenda and a political and social agenda at that
[citation needed]
>In most scientific circles, Blanchard is considered a quack
[citation needed] (Also you're repeating yourself to no end; why make those separate bullet points?)
>adhom adhom adhom
Nice.

It's weird how mad you are.