/GQ/ Gear Queer Gear General

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>>34458685
>>34458702
YOU'RE ALL MEAN AND VAGUE AND POST CONSTANT IRONIC MEMES INSTEAD OF ANSWERING QUESTIONS

THIS WAS THE BEST OPTION AT THE TIME!

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I'm wondering how one might make the Enola Gaye EG18X smoke grenades a little more durable and weather proof. Maybe an epoxy dip coating? Can anyone recommend anything?

Also level IV multi curve ceramics at 7lbs per plate, or level III+, M193, M855, M80, and mild steel core 7.62x39 rated multi curve ceramic/dyneema hybrid at 4lbs per plate?

Also what other carriers are out there like the Velocity Systems LWPC?

Front swift clips, side molle, and front velcro are a must. Bonus for rear molle, lightweight, and drag handle.

Also SKD tactical extended their sale for another day. Get the 20% while you can, even though they're bootlickers.

Time to bully fat anon about his AR500 plate purchase for $300 a set
>>34458720
>the best option
No it wasnt

Here are two off the top of my head, people can name plenty more;
https://armour-wear.com/shop/all/hard-plates/hard-plate-10-x-12-alum-level-4-stand-alone/
https://uspalm.com/product/level-iv-hard-armor-plate/

Everyone was running 10-15% off the past couple days, the fucking OP of the last thread had promo codes. I dont know how you could be this stupid.

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>>34458720
How could a set of ceramics be $300 more expensive than your steels when you can get a set of ceramics for less than $300? Did someone pay your $50 to take their jugular slicing (just kidding) AR500 plates? I wouldn't be surprised honestly.

Also go outside and take some new pictures of your gear so you don't have to use shitty reaction images.

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>>34458735
>>34458720
These guys, while kinda sketchy, also have $300 ceramics.
https://www.patriotarmordefense.com/plates.html

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>>34458720
>b-but t-this was months ago and prices dropped recently!
Wrong

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>>34458749
>>34458736
Nice!

Where were you 7 months ago?

Look I've seen 20+ videos of AR550 steel stopping rounds that would decimate people. Most of the SPALDING was captured by the under coating. Ceramic may be better but it is far thicker and more expensive and only really has an edge if multiple rounds strike the same area and flay away the under coating.

I still stand by my purchase. It works and honest to god I don't expect to ever catch a bullet but if I do I'll be tickled fucking pink I'm alive. Not readying and rearing for 7 more.

>>34458804
>Where were you 7 months ago?
Everyone was right here in gear queer, which you didnt lurk before buying. See >>34458800 for nearly 3 year old prices on them .

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>>34458720
F

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>>34458823

Good job WGWS, you managed to link the new and old threads this time. I'm proud of you! Next time try adding the pastebin links too.

>>34458682
red
y is u skellington?

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>>34458804
I was right here talking about the $300 plates from patriot armor defense?
seriously man, shitpost less and pay more attention I guess. The whole point of these generals is to pass information along. If you don't even bother scrolling through the thread, and instead just make a new post of your image, you won't learn anything.
How much do your plates weigh? What size are they? Do you have the extra buildup anti spall coat?

>>34458823
Would love to appreciate your image friend but it is too large, and you only occupy about half of the entire thing. Crop out the sink and the area above your head. Can't believe I've got to explain this shit.

Also level IV multi curve ceramics at 7lbs per plate, or level III+, M193, M855, M80, and mild steel core 7.62x39 rated multi curve ceramic/dyneema hybrid at 4lbs per plate?

>>34458855
Because my diet consists of tropical fruits (mangos, kiwi, coconuts) and beef jerky
>>34458862
IV ceramics

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>>34458862
>How much do your plates weigh?
Like 8lbs each? It is hard to tell since the weight is really negligible if put on the shoulders.
>What size are they?

Shooters cut. They cover a great deal of the torso and leave some give for the arms.

>Do you have the extra buildup anti spall coat?
It is maybe 1 1/4th inch thick. They are rather thing. Ofter going inside the PC it hardly matters but it was not THICC pancake size.

>>34458887
you can't eat whole coconuts, you'll crack

pls eat more brgr, I don't want you to died

>>34458862
IV Ceramics +$0.02

>>34458862
>Also level IV multi curve ceramics at 7lbs per plate, or level III+, M193, M855, M80, and mild steel core 7.62x39 rated multi curve ceramic/dyneema hybrid at 4lbs per plate?
personally i would go with the special threat plates, if they stop M80 I'm not too worried about rifle threats past that because I live in an urban area where few people hunt and the primary threat is from basketball americans who don't generally commit criminal acts with .270 rem. I already know A2grip is just going to blindly say level IV without any discussion of threat analysis but whatever.

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R8 my fucking around in gear

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>>34458898
> I live in an urban area where few people hunt and the primary threat is from basketball americans who don't generally commit criminal acts with .270 rem
Then cover yourself in IIIA and call it a day
>. I already know A2grip is just going to blindly say level IV without any discussion of threat analysis but whatever.
Yeah because fuck having extra protection for negligible weight differences

>>34458930
You door has Toilet spelled wrong 3/10

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>>34458889
>What size?
>Shootes cut
I asked what size... Whatever. Spartan Armor systems lists their AR550 single curve shooters cut 10x12"(the size) with buildup coat at 8lbs, 10oz per plate. That is $245.

Single curve 10x12" ceramics are out there for $300, and the patriot armor defense ones are 6lbs per plate, saving you 5.25lbs total, or another 2L or water with containers, or 5 full mags.

>>34458897
The IV are cheaper. I wonder if Polyethylene/Ceramic hybrid 3+ plates rated for both M193 and M855 will also stop M855A1. AFAIK most level IV stops M855A1 right?

>>34458898
The special threat plates are 42% lighter per plate, but are literally 43% more expensive.
I'm wondering if it stops M855A1.

>>34458907
What rig is that? Do you have a carrier?

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>>34458973
airsoft rig of some sorts and no carrier

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>>34458930
looks like mine

>no sling on AK

5/10 max

>>34458973
I mean I was adding my 2 cents

Yes, it will stop that. It will also stop greater threats.

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>>34458930
Chink rig is better than nothing. What AK?

>>34458931
>>34458898
He's right about the IIIA. If you're only concerned about handguns, you can save a TON of weight and have a far more concealable rig by sticking with IIIA. I think cheaper even, but I'm pretty ignorant to IIIA prices.

>Negligible weight differences
If we're talking the Armour wear offerings, the total weight difference is 6lbs. I am also being a bit autistic about it because my multi curve XL 11x14" ceramics were like 10lbs each.

>>34458934
Swine
>>34459003
Was waiting for Ruskie Afghan war sling to arrive
>>34459011
It's just for dicking about, it's an Armory USA AK74. Pretty neat little gun, got it for $900 with 3 Rus Bakes, 3 circle 10, 2 Romanian metal, 2 circle 21 mags, and 900 rounds of 5.45.

>>34458931
>Then cover yourself in IIIA and call it a day
they still own dracos and shit, stupid. just not fudd guns

>Yeah because fuck having extra protection for negligible weight differences
>6 lbs
>negligible
That's 90oz water, 6 loaded AR mags, 4 loaded .308 mags, a pair of side plates + side soft armor, 3-4 MREs, or a helmet + NODs + batteries for a month.

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>>34458930
>>34459003
He's right. Sling is important. Such a basic piece of gear the discussion for it almost belongs in the respective rifle general.

I went without a sling for like 6 months, and I still feel dirty. Multimeme Snickers incoming. Anyone know how to get one of those to run single point as well as dual point like an MS4?

>>34459007
Oh yeah I was just saying the ceramics are actually cheaper. Ceramics are $285 shipped, multi curve 10x12" 7lbs, and the special threats are $440 shipped, 10x12", multi curve, 4lbs each.

You pretty sure it'll stop M855A1? Not trying to kill me?

>>34458987
Why no carrier? Don't you have NODs?

>>34458987
where can i find this?

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>>34459059
J-tech is company name

>>34459055
tf do nods have to do with a carrier?

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>>34459059
Please don't buy an Airsoft carrier.

SKD has 20% for like another 20 minutes:
http://www.skdtac.com/PIG-UCR-Universal-Chest-Rig-p/pig.667.htm

http://www.skdtac.com/Blue-Force-Gear-Ten-Speed-Chest-Rig-p/bfg.510.htm

http://www.skdtac.com/vtac-molle-chest-rig-p/vkg.512.htm

http://www.skdtac.com/Esstac-Chest-Rig-Trim-Bush-p/ess.505.htm

>>34459052
>they still own dracos and shit, stupid. just not fudd guns
Holy shit anon you might be right. Maybe steel plates are the ideal poorfag living in the ghetto armor. Protection against pistols, shotguns, shitty ARs, and shitty AKs too. Plus you save $75.
Lel.

>>34459099
>Maybe steel plates are the ideal poorfag living in the ghetto armor. Protection against pistols, shotguns, shitty ARs, and shitty AKs too. Plus you save $75.
well except for the part where m193 is cheap and plentiful, plus ar15s are common

>>34459059
LAPG also is still running their 15% for another hour or so:
http://www.lapolicegear.com/fsp-sicr-chest-rig.html

>>34459086
I just assumed if you were going to spend the dosh on NODs, you would have already finished the carrier and armor stuff. Everyone prioritizes differently I guess.

>>34459052
>they still own dracos and shit
And they shoot center mass 100% of the time with those, right? Talk to any cop and ask them what 99% of the shit they confiscate is. Answer: Its 22, 380, 9mms and 45s. Rarely if ever are cops confiscating draco pistols and pile of mags off of your local gang banger.
>>34459052
If you covered yourself in IIIA you could carry twice as much! Its firepower vs mobility, if your concern is protection and youre innaurban you are going to be taking shit at point blank range

>>34459103
Okay I forgot to specify III+ steel plates. Anyone still buying level III steel plates who is unaware of them being defeated by M193 almost deserves to get wrecked. Almost.

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>>34459113
armor doesn't make much sense to me. it only protects my heart and lungs. Kinda got arteries that go all over the place.

>>34459120
armor goes with the expectation that you can get immediate medical treatment, just keeps you conscious in a fight. Sensible for HD, not so much for SHTF.

>>34459120
Yeah I mean I didn't buy my first set of plates until I had spent $200 on 8 CAT tourniquets. Gotta double up on each limb ya know.

In all seriousness though combining armor with TQs can really increase your survivability, especially if you're in a situation where medical support is still available.

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>>34459132
>immediate medical treatment
>indiana
>horse doctors
ill just get shot in the face and looted by the doctor if I ever make it that far

but Plates are probably at the very bottom of the list

>>34459132
weird, when thinking of shtf I think of it in a completely different way. If there was no medical care avilable and I wasnt moving large distances on foot I would want as much as armor as possible to reduce my chances of needing medical care in the first place. Bugging out and having to walk a long distance on foot is a different story though. Even then, I would still want a IIIA vest in that situation.

>>34459171
Can't visualize myself traveling long distances on foot in a disaster situation.

>>34459171
Except plates are just for protecting your vitals, and they are very heavy. Even the lightest fancy rifle plates are around 3-4lbs per plate. That is once again like 2-3L of water, enough to get your 10-15 miles if you're in good shape and know how to conserve while hiking. Armor is for acting in a group, when there is actual trained medical available. If you're bugging bugging, I'm thinking no armor at all.

>>34459185
Interesting you say that. Depends on what sort of disaster, and how long it has been since the advent, but staying off of roads and out of populated areas are pretty good considerations.

This is why my next carrier setup is going to be swift clip, so you can drop the armor and keep the mags.

Of course this is all just fantasy.

>>34459116
>And they shoot center mass 100% of the time with those, right? Talk to any cop and ask them what 99% of the shit they confiscate is. Answer: Its 22, 380, 9mms and 45s. Rarely if ever are cops confiscating draco pistols and pile of mags off of your local gang banger.
>hurr get level IV to stop relatively rare cartridges
>hurr don't bother with special threats innacity they're too rare
>not even knowing where i live but telling me what local crime looks like
Confiscated weapons are by and large the guns found on people's persons or in their vehicles. so of course there are less rifles seized when they mostly stay at home and the only way they're gonna get seized is if the cops serve you a warrant. As for firearms use in crime you have to consider that the most common types of violent crime will change in a situation where the police are unable to enforce the law effectively ala venezuela

>If you covered yourself in IIIA you could carry twice as much! Its firepower vs mobility, if your concern is protection and youre innaurban you are going to be taking shit at point blank range
again you don't know where i live, i can step outside and have a 800 meter line of fire across an arc of like 120 degrees. my point is that most people here don't own hunting rifles in calibers a special threat plate won't stop. there are long sight lines here cause muh urban sprawl

>>34459120
>>34459132
>>34459171
>>34459185
>>34459239
there has literally been so much shit talking in these threads because some people own plate carriers and don't think they will wear them in shtf because of the reasons stated and there are people think they will wear them.

both sides are talking about a hypothetical situation that is really unlikely and its fucking annoying that everyone has been so hostile. Its nice to see you guys talking about it like normal humans.

>>34459239
The reason I think plates are a good idea for shtf is ideally, I wont be hiking and if I am like I said I can just ditch them. I would do anything possible to not have to leave the immediate area near my home because I have large amounts of food, water, ammo, medical supplies, tools, and other shit that I wouldnt have if I had to bug out. A few good real shtf examples im america are hurricane katrina and the LA riots, which each involved people in semi static positions defending their homes/neighborhoods. If im in a role like this why not wear plates at that point.

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>>34458722
>>34458720
>>34458749
>>34458736
I enjoy my SKD plates just fine.

Shit with the 20% off sale you could have got them for $151 yesterday lol.

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>>34459295
>Its nice to see you guys talking about it like normal humans.
It is just a hobby. I think we can take it seriously, but also be measured about it.

>>34459300
SHTF is a very ambiguous term, but If you're bugging in a la Katrina or chimpouts then of course plates are a fantastic idea.

>>34459362
Those are solid, and SKD still has their 20% off coupon up. They are single curve, and the cut is a little bit much for my taste.

I am however leaning towards level IV now. I was considering Armour Wear's special threat III+ ceramic/poly plates that are rated for M855, M193, M80, and mild steel 7.62x39 at 4lbs per 10x12" plate, but considering that M855A1 is standard issue and might penetrate those plates I am having my doubts. Furthermore, M80A1 EPR (I assume the new standard issue 7.62x51) defeats Highcom's Ceramic/Poly hybrid plate that is 1.3lbs heavier than the Armour Wear hybrid plate, so obviously it will defeat the Armour Wear plates. The question is will M855A1 defeat the hybrid Armour Wear plates?

What do you guys think about putting a level IV ceramic in front and a level III+ special threat in the back? That combined with the mag weight in the front sure is going to fuck up the balance I guess.

Maybe I just save myself the money and go level IV front and back?

I was really excited to be saving 6lbs, but being able to defeat M855A1 seems like a reasonable requirement.

I feel like I'm turning into Armourus Maximus. I see why he was super into this stuff. It is fun.

>>34459498
>but considering that M855A1 is standard issue and might penetrate those plates
That's the exact reason I changed my turn from getting some of the III+ poly plates and got ceramics

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>>34458720
I wrote the pastebin for a fucking reason you newfag
>>34458735
He's fat too? Christ
>>34458682
This is why you don't make new threads, can't even do it correctly

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>>34459646
About to be the reason for myself as well.

>>34460805
What did I neglect other than the pastebin?

>>34460881
The edition of course

>>34458862
You've probably been asked this a lot, but what's the rig? It's sweet.

>>34461022
NANI!

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>>34458682
hey y'all. I got a buddy who rocks an NPAP ak, and his birthday is coming up. I was gonna get him a plate carrier + mag pouch set up.

I don't want it to be too expensive (spending a lot of money for another dude is a little gay) but I want it to hold whatever armor he decides on, and have good mag AK mag pouches along with it.

Ideas?

>>34460890
Gargantuanon Sucks OP's Dingleberries Edition™

>>34461116
Price range, buddy's build, special requirements or requests? Color?

I suppose it's kinda gear related in the gear storage sense. Can anyone recommend a good gun safe for long arms that isn't too big?

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>>34460890
Good morning sasquatch.

Looking for a plate carrier similar to the Velocity Systems lightweight plate carrier. Front vertical swift clips and velcro for panels is mandatory. So are side molle for side swift clips. Rear molle, drag handle, and lightweight are a plus. Any recommendations?

I really enjoy these vids. Yeah it's airshit shut up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzBGzWFLtfQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxdSzMSSJ5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT4xjFnaXqI

>>34461283
>>>/out/

>>34461283
go away..

>>34460881
I was going to get some of the super stupidlight poly plates from varusteleka, but then M855A1 ruined my dream of fucking 3 pound plates.
>https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/cpe-light-weight-armour-plate-nij-iii+-stand-alone/16512

>>34461116
Beez

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I want to start building up my britbong kit.. Are these sweaters comfy? Is it worth it to hold out until I can find an actual military surplus ones, or are the reproductions just as good?

>>34461609
From what I hear those wool sweaters are itchy as fuck.

>>34461808
depends if you buy the full wool ones or a nylon blend.

>>34461116
>>34461142

idk like $120-$250. He's a about 6", 200lbs of muscle. Nothing special, just want it to look decent, not fall apart, and hold plates and mags. A spot for velcro swag patches would be nice too, but not required.

Live in the Pacific NW, so anything that blends in there is nice. Multicam works, green/olive, fde is decent but not great.

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Rate

>>34462033
http://www.beezcombatsystems.com/SAPI-ESAPI-Plate-Carriers_c38.htm

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>>34462638
c h i c o m

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>>34458722
You're in luck as I am a huge smoke grenade fag.
You have two easy options
-Electrical tape the body and a little bit under the cap to create a friction seal. Cheap, easy, wont wear as easily.
-Spray on plastidip. Keep the cap on and spray all over, this will create a seal over the cap that can be twisted off and broken for added security and waterproofness. Depending on how you store it it will wear off easily.
You could also combine the two, but it will add weight to them and to the size.
+Make you some pull tabs
+You can squeeze two into the USGI double m4 mag pouch easily.

>>34461022
>nonexistent pecs
do you think this person could bench the empty barbell

>>34463154
If you are an ultra-huge smoke grenade fag maybe you could persuade a smoke grenade manufacturer to sell G.I. style grenades without the fuses. The explosive in grenade fuses became a controlled item sometime after 9/11 and now requires an explosive handler license, but the grenade itself does not. Replacing the expended primer in a fuse from a training grenade is easy.

>>34463260
Or just be a man and make your own.

Is there an infographic of the basics to have in a B.O.B.?

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>>34463154
>>34463370
What do we have here?

>>34460881
where do you get your pants from?

I need something lightweight but preferably water repellent/resistant while being breathable in temps upwards of 35 degrees celcius... in dark brown (miring the color btw, exactly what I need). Also inexpensive.

>>34463885
It's literally sugar and stump remover, cook until carmelized, add dye to taste.

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I need to get a new camelbak, but I'm pleased with this new carbine set up aside from how heavy it is.

Also the glock 80% has over a thousand rounds through it now with no problems.

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>>34461135
fug
>>34461277
good afternoon

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>>34461463
I was super close to getting the Armour Wear ceramic/polyethylene hybrid plates but alas I've joined you in the boat. In just a few years time M855A1 is probably going to be very plentiful. Level IV it is.

>>34462638
Better than nothing.

>>34463154
>Electrical tape
>Plastidip
Hmmm. I was thinking something far more hardcore: concrete garage floor two part epoxy coating. It'll add a good deal of hardness, rigidity, and durability to the cardboard canister, plus ensure weatherproofing. The trick is going to be applying it in such a way as to make it work with the caps.

I've got a Tactical Tailor Fight Light flash/smoke pouch coming. I'll let you know how it fits the EG18X.

>>34463891
>Water repellent/resistant
>Decently breathable
>Color options
>Inexpensive
Damn dude you hit the nail right on the head. They're the new LAPG STS pants. $35. Tons of color options. Not goretex but mild water resistance. Durable, integrated knee pad pockets. I like my pair a lot. Decently breathable as well. I went on a 10 mile hike in them at 85 degrees F with the knee pads in and them tucked into my boots, literally the least breathable configuration.
Pants are in pic related. The picture you originally replied to are a different pair of LAPG pants. Would not recommend. Too cheap.
Cheers.

>>34464240
Why is your image so small? I want to see your sexy PF940C.
Camelback brand camelbacks are obviously the best

Bump for looking for plate carrier recommendations that are like the Velocity Systems LWPC. Needs front vertical swift clips, front velcro panel, side molle for the horizontal side swift clips, plus back molle and drag handle would be nice as well. Bonus if lightweight.

In for RMR arrives tomorrow, I still don't have a pistol to put it on, sold the Kahr CM9 today to fund plates, and G19 felt too small in my hands.

>>34463972
That's the losers formula, real men autisticy experiment with 1950s declassified test documents.

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>>34464808
Guess I posted the thumbnail in moving it from one device to another.

Here is another shot of the ghost19.

>>34464923
Why did you go ghost instead of factory

>>34464923
How is the build/polymer quality? Does it feel chintzy/cheap or decent?

They supposedly are releasing a full size one soon.

>>34464977
P80 doesn't manufacture any complete firearms, only 80% lowers.

>>34464977
My state requires extra licensure steps to purchase handguns (but not own them).

While I could go through those steps and pay the money, as a matter of principle, I would prefer not to.

>>34465216
It feels like other polymer pistols to me.

I'll probably get the full size, assuming they fix all the ugliness of the gen 1 full size, and incorporate the mechanical upgrades from the compact.

lotta glocks in here. yall might want to rethink your decisions

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>>34465290
this

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Are you guys cosplayers or airsofters? This thread is fucking cringeworthy lmao

>>34465317
Both
>>34465290
Also weren't you gonna buy one?

>>34465317
My mom won't let me buy airsoft so i just train with simunitions

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>>34465297
>>34465322
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSrLw_Dndhw

not anymore

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>>34465317

Are Ratnik chest rigs any good? Thinking of getting one since you can get a complete rig with room with armor compartments for $200.

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Can someone ID this chest rig and/or the camo pattern?

Recommend me some small sapi cut plates.

>>34465426
the 6sh's?
>>34465360
wow, btfo

>>34465360
I thought this was really funny.

>>34465492
Should add, stand alone please.

>>34465498
The one I'm looking at is 6B46 - but I'm wonder if they're any good in generally.

Prices for US made stuff is waaayyyy higher, I assume because the government buys it so they charge more.

>>34465534
That's not a chest rig, thats a garbage can excuse of a PC. Had to use one for an extended period and it sucked, takes two people to put it on. If you want a vest get a 6b45. Also shipping will be a pain in the ass.

>>34465243
Yeah I'm hoping to get the fullsize as well. As long as it looks basically like the PF940C I'll be happy. I just sent them a fb message asking for updates on it.

>>34465492
What type?

>>34465559
Stand alone, ceramic. Just need a list of places to buy from

>>34465573
Hmm their small size is backordered unfortunately. I'm about to buy 10x12"s from them after dinner.
https://armour-wear.com/shop/all/hard-plates/level-4-sapi-plates/

I don't know too many other vendors with small SAPI.

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>>34465573
>>34465683
Try highcom

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My fereday rig came in today. It holds one or two AR mags in each pouch, but the flaps won't cover them in either case. Everything feels solid with the exception of the snaps

>>34465683
How is bulletproofme? They apparently have small sapi cuts.

>>34465752
Personally I think slightly overpriced but they carry legitimate stuff, and as you can see from their website have been in the business for a while now.

Is this for your lady? Why not 10x12" or SAPI med?

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Does anyone have pictures of the Rhodesian brushstrokes that Kommando store pushed out last summer? I'd ask in /MSG/ but it's dead and there isnt a new one

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>>34465829

>>34465899
Fuck thought I had the pants on there.
>>34465698
refer here

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>tfw no 3-gun/uspsa discussions ever
>tfw i still haven't completed my 2011 yet
>tfw i haven't found a local competition to compete in yet (mostly for lack of trying)
goddamnit i'm retarded.

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>>34458735
>>34460805
AR550 and I'm not fat. Also I bought these plates like 2 months ago. Current deals don't count.

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>>34466214
2 months ago you could have gotten hescos for $300 a pair
The pastebin has existed since december

Stop posting anime reactions and unfuck yourself

>>34466228
Well shit is bought and not much I can do about it now.

>stop posting anime reactions
I really couldn't even if I wanted to. It is a solid 90% of my gallery.

>>34466214
See >>34458800

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>>34466251
Then go outside and take pictures of your gear. It really isn't that hard.

Be honest. How much did the plates cost you? $275 shipped?

>>34466462
$295 before shipping lmao, ref >>34458604

>>34466517
>>34466462

$250 with free shipping my dude. Bottom right has the discount applied.

>>34465488
i-talian vegatato camo

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>>34466551
Could have saved 3.25lbs and got level IV my friend :D

Only $35 more. We both had discounts ;)

Bump for Armour Wear has pretty top notch customer service. I missed their 4th of July sale for some reason, had a bug during checkout. They made another coupon code for me so I could still get the sale price.

Excited to see how these plates are in terms of curve, real weight, and quality.

>>34466619
But you're still gonna get m855a1'd in the sternum, and then what was all that 16lbs - excuse me, down to 14lbs - good for?

>>34467135
Level IV ceramic defeats M855A1 handily.
I mean it stops AP 30-06...

>>34466594
Thank you

Does anyone know about these ceramic plates? Reviews seem to be good. $85 a piece.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Two-Pieces-Set-Alumina-PE-NIJ-IV-Bulletproof-Panel-Al2o3-NIJ-4-Stand-Alone-Ballistic-Panel/1511609999.html

>>34467437
>Russian plate

EEEHhhEHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh naw.

>>34467437
>aliexpress reviews
>legit
Pick one

Also
>china plates
>ever
Closest I would do is ukranian helmets. I have no problem buying samples to shoot but wasting time with the chinese is pretty pointless since if they fail the seller will just turn and burn

>>34467558
>I have no problem buying samples to shoot but wasting time with the chinese is pretty pointless since if they fail the seller will just turn and burn

not to mention that asking for test data is meaningless because there's nothing stopping them from sending a real helmet to HP white labs and sending you a piece of garbage

>>34467437
5.7 lbs claimed level IV ceramic/polyethylene hybrid plates for $85 per piece?

Buy one and test it out. I'm skeptical as shit. Highcom has the 3S9, a 5.3lb hybrid cermic/poly plate that is special threat rated III++
Stops M855A1, doesn't stop M80A1.

Maybe the extra 0.4lbs makes all the difference, but god damn those are cheap. Too good to be true rings free when you find a product that is less than a quarter of what reasonable established competition is selling for.

I just spent $285 for a pair of 7lb ceramic level IV plates.

Also just ordered a Velocity Systems lightweight plate carrier.

>>34467437
>dat single sheet of bubblewrap keeping it safe over a six thousand mile air, land, and sea journey
Good shit senpai

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https://youtu.be/mfBtq6zX1ww
What is the consensus on integrated packs?

I built one with a molle 2 radio pack, an ALICE rig and some paracord.

Great hunting rig as you dont have to take your gear off and make a ton of movement

>don't have to fight off buddy's back
>pertenant gear can be easily put on back
>just as easily accessed
>aforementioned means a rig can be flat to the ground unlike double stack mags

The us army haversack in 1930 was the last great example and then militaries stopped using them.

Why?

>>34461609

>>34461283
holy shit that looks like a lot of fun. especially the first one.

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>>34465317
Paratrooper, actually.

>>34470470
are you ETSing soon or thinking about staying around?

>>34470617
Depends on whether I'm going to Iraq soon.

Where is the best place to get some soft body armor?
Can you trust old police vests?
What are some good brands and good distributors?

>>34458682
>order a bunch of shit from tacgear.ru on ya'lls recommendation 9 February
>never got it
>sent dozens of emails, in both English and google-translated Russian
>never got a single response
>still in resolution through paypal 6 fucking months later
Thanks, assholes

>>34472293
I haven't had a problem with them, but they do take a long time to fill orders because they have russian mil contracts to complete. I would go through a russian who can actually call them than order it yourself desu

>>34472310
Their business practices are pure shit. A simple (google translated if need be) "hey we didn't forget about you/blow you off but we have contracts that need fulfilling, it will be X amount of time yet]" email would have taken 30 fucking seconds.

Six. Motherfucking. Months. And dozens of ignored emails.

Fuck them.

>>34472335
Russian post is absolutely awful - did they send it through that or DHS/UPS?

thread is probably dead but if there is anyone here, i need a ballistic helmet to finish my gear any1 have any recommendations?

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>>34472378
Budget?

>>34472366
My guess is they never actually even attempted to send it. I never got ANY correspondence past the payment confirmation.

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>>34458682
I'm looking for an entry level rig that sits around my waist or belt level that can hold rifle magazines, and maybe have a spot for a holster as well.
Right now I'm using a cold war era Canadian web gear setup. It's very comfortable but quite dated, but I'd like a style similar to it with a good harness.

>>34472474
at most $500

>>34473078
You have a few options, ACH, 6b47, SOHAH, other high cut manufacturers that aren't shit (ask and we'll tell you), could up it a bit and get an ops-core or airframe on ebay

>>34473078
Buy a surplus ACH and get comfy pads in chinstrap. If you have coin left over you can get a camo cover, NVG shroud and rails.

>>34473150
comfy pads AND chinstrap

>>34465297
>digi flora
>mixing it with anything but olive
SHIGGYDIGGY

>>34472890
For a while I used an ATS warbelt + generic rigger's belt + ALICE suspenders. It's not turbo amazing, but a step up from using straight ALICE style kit.

I got rid of it when I moved from a LBE style loadout to a stand alone light belt + chest rig loadout.

>>34474054
thanks for the response. I'll check those out. cheers.

>>34471508
Why not try out for spooky shit like RASP? I heard being a garrison ranger sucks but it seems pretty nice

>>34474947
He was batt but got kicked out

>>34475105
also tried out for the Unit but they walked him too much on his knees

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I have an MS2000 strobe without the IR cap. Does anyone know where I can get a replacement?

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How gay is it to start gear queering if I'm not military or law enforcement?
Asking for a friend.

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>>34472007
Sorry man. I don't know much about IIIA and it actually is one of the bigger weaknesses of /gq/, lack of knowledge about IIIA.

>>34473078
More than enough. Stateside there are some FAST style IIIA helmets for between $300 and $450.

>>34472890
You can get complete alice web rigs for like $30 or $40.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-MILITARY-LOT-LBE-w-Canteen-Ammo-Pouches-OD-MEDIUM-BELT-BLACK-USMC-BUCKLE-/280736979747?hash=item415d3a5b23:m:mAP4o1V99f6YWGf8ADdlZqg
Those quart canteens are basically 1L of water in case you're retarded like me and didn't know the conversion.

There is the eagle industries USMC belt. They were issued and can be had with suspenders for $30 also, but then you need to buy pouches.
http://www.arvadasurplus.com/usmc-sub-belt-battle-belt-iraq-afghanistan-coyote-marsoc-marines-special-operations.html#.WWBRvdPysfE

If you want to gucci it up you can build a sweet modern battle belt web rig using all the top stuff for around $175-$275 depending on what pouches you want.
https://www.vikingtactics.com/product-p/vtac-bb.htm
https://www.vikingtactics.com/product-p/vtac-ss.htm

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Found at goodwill for 25$ how'd I do?

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>>34476673
Its allowed
>>34472007
>Where is the best place to get some soft body armor?
Concealable, overt or what?
>Can you trust old police vests?
Yes and no, kevlar degrades when exposed to UV but the vast majority of them arent exposed that much and should be fine. Bulletproofme swears by them as good.
>What are some good brands and good distributors?
See above questions
>>34476831
ATS isnt too bad, you did decent

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>>34476771
get your rmr from the cabelas sale?

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>>34476831
Not bad. ATS is entry level legitimate gear.
Weird that you found it at goodwill.

>>34477330
Yes. I am very jewish. Just arrived today. Part of me thinks I should have gone Leupold Delta Point Pro, but the bottom line is that I wanted to just drop the money and get what everyone calls the best.

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>>34476771
Thanks for all the info! I'll be tacticool in no time.

>>34456142
Marine reserve in an MOS with cucked cutting scores and realitivly meh PT (also fuck LCPL seminar). Almost have 5 years tis. The funny part is some shit is way nicer than in the Marines, and some is way worse, and it seems completely random what. Like we get nice hard knuckle gloves in the Nat guard, but all I got in the Marines was a pair of glove liners and oversized leather gloves. But in the marines we got nice plate carriers instead of IOTVs.

>>34457220
We too have an Africa deployment coming up.

>>34456995
I like it so I can keep my canteen and random shit when I drop my flak. The lbv doesn't bother me, and it's not like it makes the IOTV any worse than it already is.

I want to buy a Gorka 5 suit for when I am doing man tracking training with the dog in the forest, only problem is that its in Atacs FG. Will I regret the purchase or are these decent kit? Being camo I cant retire it to casual wear if it isnt up to being in the forest in all weather for upwards of 12 hours.

>>34479158
besides not being water proof they're pretty great. In my experience though unless you treat them with a waterproofing spray or something (never tried this so no idea how well this would work) they get soaked fast.

>>34465360
judging from or others vids your hk seems to have problems too m8. time for a sig.

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>>34466228
>Stop posting anime reactions

>>34461283
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzBGzWFLtfQ [Embed]
>how will MilSimWest fags ever recover

Any recommendations for a bump helmet that meets at least OSHA standards and allows for the use of earpro and NVGs?

>>34458682
Does anybody wear outdated/less effective gear for the A E S T H E T I C S?

>>34479297
Duh, why wouldn't you

>>34479297
I have a coyote MOLLE FLC. I vastly prefer the color in terms of look, but I don't consider the vest itself dated or ineffective.

Its are blue force gear, though. Helium Whisper for the motherfucking win!

>>34465290
>>34465360
Blu, what year are your Ceradyne Defenders? They're level IV? I've got the money and am contemplating on picking up a pair.

I did it, /gqg/ I fucking did it. I bought a crye motherfucking precision jpc. And some tactical tailor pouches for my baofeng, Leatherman, and surefire. That 12-16 week waiting period doesnt phase me bc it'll be there by the time I get back from the 'raq

>>34480258
Dude, not even to hurt your feelings or meme, but it's 2017 not 2007 why the fuck did you go with Tactical Tailor???

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>>34479291
You can get knockoff FAST IIIA for between $250-$450 depending on reputability of manufacturer and country of origin.

Do you not want a ballistic helmet for weight considerations?

>>34480258
Nice!

>>34480339
TT ain't great, but it ain't bad. The fight light stuff is halfway to decent IMO.
The rest is overbuilt with poor form design. though.

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>>34480339
I'm from washington, they from washington

Did anyone buy that Haley Strategic in woodland?

>>34480360
Main issue is money. I'm pretty much broke from buying armor, gear, and new AR parts. I just switched jobs so I'm not getting paid for a bit. I get to write this off on my taxes at the end of the year, but that doesn't help much now.

>>34458682
Alright boys. I realize now after 2 years that 10x12 plates are too small for me. I'm 6'4 with large shoulders and a large chest and i've currently got a skd pig brig and its ridiculous on me.

tldr: can anyone link me some good 11x13 or 11x14 plates and/or give me some recommendations for a large dude?

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>>34481274
Badda bing
https://highcomsecurity.com/collections/plates/products/guardian-4s17m?variant=20353441604

I use these

>>34481274
Same poster. Also looking for a PC with generous adjustment. Looking at the first gen crye jpc, anyone know how the cumber band adjustment is on it?

>>34481307
Is the price for single plate or a set?

>>34481370
Single plate unfortunately, but I believe there is a sale right now.

>>34481448
perfect. thank you my fellow giant.

How's the jump from 10x12 to 11x14? I'm guessing it felt a lot better for you

>>34481464
I never had 10x12s so I have no idea

What do people think about the sposn smersh? I'm thinking about the Belt system M1. Or should I just get a war belt with suspenders?

I'm interested into getting into this stuff, recommendations for absolute beginners when it comes to gear.

>>34480855
GT did.

>>34465829
Anyone wearing this autism uniform needs to be permab&.

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>>34475105
>>34476440
Yes and yes, thanks for the reminder.

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>>34481274
I'm 6' and 200lbs thought I needed 11x14"s, turns out they were too big. Go figure.

https://armour-wear.com/shop/all/hard-plates/level-4-sapi-plates/

XL SAPI 11x14" Multi Curve Level IV ceramics for $220 per plate

>>34481027
Hmm I hear ya on the money thing. Can you explain how you have NVGs but can't afford a ballistic FAST to mount them on? Issued stuff?


I ordered a Velocity Systems LWPC. I'm a little concerned about the durability, but we'll see.

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>>34468267
integrate unless you're a sad person and operate alone.

>>34481653
You get RFS'd for not getting your tab?

What batt?

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>>34480360
>get a FAST knockoff
Do not do this. People underestimate how much a helmet shifts once it gets shot, that 1-2 inches of BFD will kill you when it goes rocketting back towards your skull because the helmet was designed to be cheap, not effective. People may shit on OCs but as LAPD swat proved, they can take a .44 point blank with minor deformation.

Here was an opscore that got shot from the too down as the officer in question was moving up a stairwell to aprehend a suspect. Protect your melon from melons, cheap shells = more weight and more BFD.

>>34482353
>Here was an opscore that got shot from the too down
Thats very clearly a glancing shot

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New chest rig arrived today. Getting new gear in the mail is the best feeling.

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>>34482469
Fucking image flip. Let's see if this works.

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>>34458973

>>34482443
Here we go, the poorfag ukie defense brigade is here again

>>34482729
Have you ever seen anything made of kevlar shot before?
>poorfag
lol

>>34481696
I don't have nvgs, but I plan on getting a monocular down the line.

>>34481970
A, 2/75, for 2 weeks, I don't bring it up in RAGNAR threads because 2 weeks ain't shit.

>>34482971
If you weren't a poorfag you'd have a real opscore. And you'd know that Opscores are aramid polycarbonate, not kevlar. But keep your thick heavy poorfag kevlar retard wannabe helmets.

>>34483675
>aramid
>kevlar
Pick two. Kevlar is a branded name for aramid fabrics.

Atleast do a little reading before trying to bait

>>34483754
Alright, Dyneema, same shit. Wow you are retarded.

>>34483840
>Dyneema
>Same shit
Not even close

>>34483897
Dyneema is what OC's use and it's an aramid fiber. Stronger and lighter. I don't like this little shit either but he's right.

>>34482971
>>poorfag
>lol
Confirmed trust fund kiddie

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>>34484011
Clearly
>>34483991
Someone who doesnt understand kevlar/aramid from dyneema/UHMWPE is trying to lecture people about ballistic capabilities. My autism wont let it stand.

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what could i get for this shit?

>>34484141
Ill give you $50 shipped for all of it

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>>34484175
send me 1 meme gun and its yours

>>34484141
Email?

>>34484196
Stallard Arms JS9 on its way

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>>34484218
ive been talked out of it

>>34483326
It's ok little guy, they told me I was gonna be Ragnar too.

>>34483897
>not having reading comprehension
off yourself skinnynigger

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>>34484118
Carry on

>>34458682
I want to wash one of my consealable plate carriers (First Spear Slick) and my FLC, how do I wash them?

Do I put them in the wash? If so, then do I use hot, warm, or cold water and regular/normal, delicate, or permanent press cycles?

I would prefer not to hand wash these.

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looking to sell my rig.

>SOE Mookie War rig light 8 mag
>hydration bladder carrier
>pull out med tray
All coyote
>3L hydration bladder

>>34458682
Where can I get some cheap ceramic plates?

>>34484432
How cheap are you looking?
>>34484387
Cold wash, no uv enhancers, hang dry, delicate
or
Hand wash

>>34461022
What kind of sleeves are those?allee

>>34484450
$250 for front and back.

Thank you!

>>34484563
You're probably going to be lookin right at around $300 per set. Could probably do $280ish if you wait for a sale but $250 for a set is going to be p difficult

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Anyone have experience or opinions on 5.11's TacTec PC?

>>34484141
>>34484272

For how much would you be willing to let that plate carrier go for?

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>>34482729
You're kidding if you think that was a straight on hit from .44 magnum.

>>34483043
Hmm. Interesting. Like I was saying though you can get FAST style IIIA helmets that will be good to go for as cheap as $300. $450 will get you something that is solid.

>>34483840
Polyethylene(Dyneema) is very different from SiC (Silicon Carbide (ceramic)) which is also very different from Aramid fiber.

>>34484011
Simply because you're wrong as shit I've got to interject. A2 is far from a trust fund kid. Can't let fake news win.

>>34484141
What helmet? what carrier? What plates?

>>34484432
I just got a set of 10x12" Ceramic Level IVs weighing 7lbs each multi curve for $285 shipped from Armour Wear, but that was with a 15% off coupon. I think without the discount it was going to come out to $335?
Patriot Armor defense has single curve level IV ceramics that they claim are 6lbs each, $300 for the set.

$250 is going to be pretty hard. A while back US Palm had level IV ceramics for $125 per plate, single curve, but I think there was shipping also. Armour Wear a while back was clearing out their "carbon fiber" wrapped level IV ceramics for $250 for the set, but those are now long gone.

>>34484658
>Evike
>5.11
First tip, don't buy your gear from an airsoft vendor. Second tip, don't buy 5.11
The stuff is okay quality, but they have a "premium" branding and so over charge for that said level of quality.

>>34484725
I just googled the picture. I can get it at a vendor discount, but I feel like a Shellback Banshee at full price would be better.

>>34484697
$700

>>34484720
pls be joking

>>34484926

Okay deal

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wanted to move radio pouch off pistol side and cut down on some wire length. solution? route comms through admin pouch ive literally never used to hold anything but a patch

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>>34485210

>>34485227
>tfw no bollard buddy to opr8 with

>>34485210
>>34485227
Blu, what year are your Ceradyne Defenders? They're level IV? I've got the money and am contemplating on picking up a pair.

>>34485318
I swear I saw your question earlier, and I was really gonna tell you. but uh, there's not date on there. there's lot number, serial numbers, gr code, all kinds of wacky shit that I could use to figure out the date, but I don't give enough fucks

these plates are hella comfy though

>>34485334
Appreciate it, how much did you spend on your pair?

tweev is a faggot

>>34485371
$500, but no plate frame

>>34485512
pretty much only thing that is preventing me from droppin the cash, having to spend 150 on the frame is slightly annoying

>>34485580
its gucci and gets you epeen points

>>34485654
Yours Medium or Large?

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>>34485708
medium

>>34485717
I've got a 10x12 carrier so I'll probably go with the large

>>34485765
go with medium senpai 9.5x11.5 plate your large plate will be Tight

>>34485845
alright baby, pretty excite for first hard plates. got a soft vest for work but recently got the clear to use an external carrier,

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>>34458930
>tropical shirt while shooting

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>>34484450
Shooting WHEN?
AK mags WHEN?

>>34481696
Shooting WHEN?

I have 4WD and ground clearance now. IMMA big boi.

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>>34486312
>ground clearance
>no lift
You are like a child.

>Toyota master race
Have you gotten her dirty yet? Any mud in suburbia?

>>34486312
>Shooting WHEN?
Never, fun is illegal
>AK mags WHEN?
When the customs people get their vodka rations so they stop stealing shit.

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Just moved to Virginia. Don't know a soul. Just waiting around the apartment and goofing off until work starts.

I should get wall art.

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>>34486415
My previous vehicle had no ground clearance, getting to shooting spots sucked.

>tfw teetering on two wheels because ruts are 4 inches deep

>>34486472
>Never, fun is illegal
That what it seems like.

>>34486501
Also I apparently live in the horizontal dimension.

>>34486514
The amount of wrx owners I have to associate myself with is decreasing, This is a good thing.

Ill text you some coords to a good spot I verified the other weekend

>tfw trapmode and unable to lug around level IV ceramics
Chest rig only can't be that bad, right? I mean, some pretty badass guys have gone out and done some pretty badass shit without armor...

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>>34486514
>teetering
I don't know what that is. Sounds like a horrible way to live life. I just have my own property to shoot on, the south rules.

>>34486652
All those badass people weren't traps.

>>34486684
That's just a temp plate that's long expired. I didn't forget to blur it, it doesn't matter.

>>34486652
The amount of (you)s this post will get will be next level

>>34486698
Thanks.
>>34486684
Are there badass traps out there?

>>34486652
>>34486724
Are you single?

>>34486763
Engaged, sorry.

>>34486788
You already derailed one of these threads with your JPC, git

for real tho someone post the fucking pastebin already, I never saved it and I need it now

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r8 my new Aloha shirt. Am I ready to operate?

>>34486852
cheers m8
https://pastebin.com/XLnt705P

>>34486889
You're ready for Hawaii 5-0

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Anyone know a good pouch for a Vita? Screen on this damn thing can get fucked up quick unless you pack it in a good case.

>>34484298
Joke's on them, because all the guys I was buddybuddy with ended up not deploying while I went and did advisor shit.

So... do RATS tourniquets actually work, or what? I'm seeing mixed reviews. Some people say they're a compact Godsend, some people say the company is shady but the product works, and some people say they're garbage and not trustworthy. What's up with RATS? I like the idea of a tourniquet that can fit in my pocket.

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>>34487578
Extreme anecdotal bro science alert:

EMT buddy of mine doesnt like it at all. Had him put a proper cat correctly on my arm and then we compared my capillary refill after 30 seconds to the rats. While the rats ended up working it was less effective than the CAT.
>I like the idea of a tourniquet that can fit in my pocket.
SWAT-T is another choice. We ran a similar test with it and it proved to be effective we both felt that it would be kind of obnoxious to try to put on a SWAT-T if it was covered in blood.

From our totally legit testing;
CAT/SOF-D > SWAT-T > Rats > russian bel t> pants belt > nothing at all

>>34487635
Hold up there. What differentiates a Russian belt from a pants belt? Are you talking about the rubber surgical tube they typically slap in their triangle folders to keep an improvised tourniquet handy?

>>34475105
what happened

>>34487805
>What differentiates a Russian belt from a pants belt?
An iron curtain :^)
>Are you talking about the rubber surgical tube they typically slap in their triangle folders to keep an improvised tourniquet handy?
Yes the rubber straps with the two locking nubs, its not quite surgical tubing.

>>34487841
Do they even still use those officially? I'm sure they're still in circulation out there given that there's photos of guys in Syria issued the old Soviet WWII style canteens and pouches, but have they not officially replaced it with the recent modernization? You'd think they'd come up with a CAT knockoff or something given that they've only just recently gotten to the MOLLE-vest-over-slick-armor stage of development we were at a little over ten years ago (although admittedly their take on the FLC, the 6sh112, is comfier than the FLC).

>>34487817
Engaged traps happened.

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>>34487967
>Do they even still use those officially?
Some guard unit in the far east probably has them as current issue.

This might be the wrong place to ask but what would be a good winter coat for snowy conditions?

>>34488004
You want to wear a lot of layers. Your outer layer doesn't need to be thick, but you want it to be wind and water proof. That said, any gortex hard shell jacket should do. For your inside layers, you'll want combinations of insulation and moisture wicking.

>>34488004
Arcteryx

>>34488012
>>34488013
Thanks, I've lived in Florida my whole life and will be spending the a month in the snow this winter. Trying not to die.

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Is single-curve fine for a rear plate, or should I just pay the extra $20 and get both plates multi-curve

>>34487817
He got peered out of batt because nobody liked him

>>34488589
Haven't seen you around in a while.

>>34485210
Not familiar with the First Spear PC you have but I know routing comms cables through the kangaroo pouch on 6094s was common.

Anyone have the OP template with pastebin links for the next thread? The old threads have fallen off the archive.

>>34488650
Just remembered that the pastebin actually had a template in it. Unfortunately it's slightly out of date and IIRC doesn't include the newer IFAK guides some medfags wrote and something else.

https://pastebin.com/8wjMuz3w

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Suggestions for a hard pistol case?

My browning hi power's muzzle melted its cheap $6 plastic case from Midway USA.

>>34481653
nice patch brah

>>34486142
>tropical shirt

>>34488004
Moisture wicking base layer; polypropylene undershirt/long underwear

Then fleece sweatshirt/pants

Then water/wind proof goretex pants/jacket

Remove fleece sweat pants or add another sweat shirt as necessary

Do NOT forget some good gloves + beanie and proper boots

To those who were talking about smoke grenades, what are some that LOOK like real military use smoke grenades? The Enola Gaye EG18X seems to preform well, but let's be honest it looks like a toy.

>>34489893
>what are some that LOOK like real military use smoke grenades?
None of them. ATF bullied manufacturers into restricting them for fear of grenades

>>34490206
Restricting something based on purely cosmetic features? That's ridiculous!

>>34490250
The difference between a real smoke and the EG18x is that the EG18x uses what amounts to essentially some matches being pulled over a striker. True smoke grenades use a M201A1 fuze (or similar) with a striker and chemical burn delay. Since thy are threaded into the body the ATFs concern is that you will unthread them and use them as a primary igniter for some home-made grenades. Cartels have been reloading the fuzes and doing more or less that. So the ATF told manufacturers to stop selling live smokes/cs to random civilians or they would declare them destructive devices and the amount of red tape would shoot through the roof (department sales would also fall). Now they can be only purchased for department use on correct letterhead

Question for gear fags. When wearing a t-shirt does your sling burn into your neck after a few hours???
If yes what do you do to protect your neck? I'd wear a collared shirt but I live in the south and regardless it seems like the sweat will cause chafing and blisters.

>>34490302
But they still look very funny, are there no commercial options that look like the real deal? Like metal and all?

>>34490341
nigga did you even read A2's response? No. There is no real deal unless you know LE who is willing to "misplace" one

>>34490341
Not that I know of
>>34490330
http://milspecmonkey.com/store/head-gear/327-msm-shemagh-multi-wrap.html

I have one of these that I use, they are pretty obnoxious from a pattern standpoint but they are super thin