Gear Queer General /gq/

>>34237102
>Unorthodox setup edition

Aka no multicam sof fags

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Second for LBT 6037.

I have some ideas for pouches, but would like some more suggestions for some A E S T
H E T I C pouches that would fit the look.

I really don't want to spend $100 just to get a OD MBSS 3x double stack pouch.

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Not my own rig, but it shows what can really fit on one.

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>>34237102
Once I get a lever gun I'm definitely getting a bandolier, I guess that's gear.

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>>34237102

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>>34237182

>>34237146
This is still the gear general thread, people can discuss whatever they want related to that, I was just looking to encourage people to share any oddball setups they have. Whether that's carrying 60rd mags, 10rd mags in ban states, recce setups with a bolt gun, sub gun/pcc mags, shotgun shells, etc.

>>34237195
Your setup looks cool af but holy shit that must be t h i c c

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>>34237146
Jew mad mang

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>>34237683
its heavy ye.

>>34237182
sweden?

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>>34237841
Yes.
>tfw no ipsc rifle license so i cant shit post in AR General.

>>34237873
How much is M90 over there?

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>>34238013
Depends on what brand you go with.
20-300$ for a pair of pants

considering getting multicam tropic (might work for swedish forrest)

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sordins are a sunk cost might as well keep them

not going to buy a new pc, going to buy a high cut and arc rails.

do i get a tac tailor canteen pouch or a usgi one? the usgi one is kinda wide for just a nalgene, wasted space.

also, post your ptt placement

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>>34238265
>going to buy a high cut and arc rails.
Oi vey goy dont forget to buy a ukranian helmet

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>>34238265
get ukie helmet

>>34238609
>>34238665
nah, I saw how THICC those where, and their performance. we just pushed that meme to fuck with /arg/ tripfags like you guys

SOHAH maritime cut for me

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>>34238721
>we pushed that meme to fuck with /arg/ tripfags
Uhhhh I did all the testing???

>>34239186
>he think's he's anything more to us than /arg/ scum immigrant

that's nice sweetie

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>>34238721
>WGWS tier bantz
>low energy
fucking sad

>>34239276
This desu

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>>34239276
>implying I havent been spamming me in a skimask for ages
Go be a retard somewhere else

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>>34239308
>thinking that a sadf repro jacket and a meme gun means you're really one of us

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Anyone else
>aesthetic operating t-shirts
here?

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>>34239323
newfag

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>>34239358

>>34239364
>no LV-MBAV
git.

>>34237873
I thought /k/oko was the only guy who carried a gorillion battle rifle mags.

>>34239364
>he doesn't play airsoft
>he doesn't post on discord
>he isn't overweight
get out

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>>34239358

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Ready to defend Nordland

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>>34239364
>No bingo

>>34239400
WANT

/GQ/, help me pick baby's first PC.
>don't care what color
>6'3", size L shirt, 34x34 pants, 210lbs
>want level 3 protection

Any recommendations? I don't plan on LARPing with it, but I think I'd be good to have, given where I live

>>34239737
a medium or a large would fit you're right in between those plate sizes really

what's your budget? because there's the budget for your plates and the one for your carrier

>>34239737
>/gq/ approved LBE + IFAK + More (READ FIRST)
http://pastebin.com/8wjMuz3w

Read the OP then come back and ask a more informed question. You will fare better than if we just spoon feed you.

>>34239674
I got it from an ebay seller who seems to just have a shit ton of unit shirts and other funny shirts from deployed guys.

>zone5tacair

>>34239737
>level 3
>not level 4
kys

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Help,does the LBT6094A fit a skinny manlet (5'4) like me, or atleast a non 2.0 JPC in Small?

>>34240335
That picture makes me 300 shades of angery

>>34240387
>>34240426
Is this a muhlicha?

Multicam works gud tho

>>34240447
yes

pics from way back. cant say i miss that happy shit at all. at least i met like 3 awesome dudes

>>34240408
gas the chinks

>>34240461
That was a joke but ok lol, what did you guys even do?

>>34237151
Get Paraclete double rifle mag pouches and a TAG MBITR pouch (the kind with loops) and an I.r. flag patch and lastly raid modded bdu's from fleabay

>>34240476
mostly patrols, practice with ham radios for comms, legit med training, movements, some prepper shit and a little bit of shooting.

only cool thing that i got out of it was the medical training from three trauma nurses on how to use the shit in my IFAK and how not to kill people doing stupid shit.

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Okay gents, heres the deal. Ignore the shitty color and filtering. I have a shit camera for this shoot. For the people that will say why the orange patch? Its not orange, its IR. I was using flash. For the people saying wow a glock43?! Dont worry there is a G19 en route, just put it there for pictures sake you can *imagine* what it would be like.

- Lessons Learned -

esstac "wtf" straps are not good for small pouches belt mounted.

The carabiner will be replaced, ive had problems with it moving since both ends are the same size.

The esstac pouch while it appears to be a different color green in the pic, it is ranger green. Its fabric however is slightly different than the other pouches, giving it an OD green tint in the pictures.

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>>34240704
Heres a kit pic. Added recently were the ESSE4, esstac pouch, and some other things. Ill re-take another full kit picture when I get the G19 and holster.

>Day pack
LBT-1476A

>Chest Rig
Mayflower UW Gen IV

>Belt
Tyr Tactical Gunfighter

>>34239894
budget is $500 for PC + SAPI. I want to stick with steel or at least steel core for the durability. And I like the idea of having side plates on the main carrier. Kind of SHTF, throw it on and go right the fuck now
>>34239916
already read it. Its just a list, doesn't talk about pros and cons of each. At least that's all I saw. So I came to you guys for first hand recommendations.
>>34240021
Sorry, should've clarified. At LEAST level 3. But I'll still go neck myself, just for you <3

>>34240984
Steel core won't make a plate any more durable when you drop it like an idiot.

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>>34240984
>want steel
>for durability
oh, now you can go kill yourself

gtfo, its 2017, not dealing with this meme anymore

there will meet be a "shtf" scenario that will allow any of you fags to dress up and shoot people. You're all retarded

>>34240984
you literally didn't give any useful info, many plate carriers come in multiple sizes

what stuff (if any) do you want to attach to your pc?

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>>34237102
Someone has experience with the Warrior Assault System holster (pic related)?

I want a holster that can receive both a Beretta92 and a Glock19 and be attached to a Molle battle belt.
I'm just worried that the thumb release button might be awkwardly low for the thumb to reach.

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>>34237195
What jacket?

Got the new LAPG STS pants in. Initial impressions soon.

>>34241529
Far Cry isn't real?

>>34237690
God damnit >:-(

>>34241281
I guess I meant steel core as in coated with anti-frag material. Sorry about that.
>>34241300
sorry, I'm new to body armor. I didn't mean to be spouting memes. I just wanted some help. What research I've done said that ceramic can break if handled roughly. That's what I was basing my statement on.
>>34241776
I don't know what useful info I need to give. Not trying to be a smart ass. I want front, back, and side coverage, for common rifle rounds. I want to be able to throw a jacket over it if need be and blend in, but I'd also like to be able to attach an ifak, pistol holster, and maybe 4 mags for each.

>>34242886
Slick PC with aftermarket cummerbund is my recommendation. Blackhawk for cheap, perroz/ferro/lbt for ~$150.
Not many manufactures making cummerbunds with side pockets that are individually purchasable.

>4 mags for each
4/2 is my recommendation. More rifle mags are better than handgun mags when we're talking the same weight.

Looking at getting a chest rig. I live in a country where Crye and other good US brands aren't really stoked and very expensive to get in. Anyone had any experience with Chinese brands, mainly Flyye?

Looking at getting a Flyye JPC. Will use it for airsoft with mates and also with actual AR etc shooting.

Are they any good? A lot of reviews are good but I won't be able to handle one before I buy.

>>34242912
*stocked

>>34242912
Which county? I bet there's a wide selection of good domestic options and there's no way you can go shooting in China.

>>34242920
New Zealand. No domestic options that I know of. It's basically very expensive US etc stuff or cheaper Chinese stuff. I've just been doing research and the Flyye rigs have very good reviews for the price you pay.

>>34242939
Flyye has some odd sizing and coloration, if that bothers you go Toy Soldier. Their name is retarded but they're probably the best in asia.

If buying from chinks who rip off designs bothers you I would really recommend making your own gear. materials cost is pennis

>>34242899
Thank you. When you say "aftermarket", do you mean from a different company, or just not attached to the PC.

>>34243006
different company or get a shop to make you one. the two canucks shops up there offer custom services.

>>34243017
Sweet, I'll look into it. Thank you.

>>34240335
Skinny manlet here. 6094 kind of fits but not comfortably. I would advise against it if you're not at least a little built. The JPC in small should work though.

>>34242966
Nah, I don't care about chinks ripping off designs. I just want to get an "ok" product.

Any other good brands around that aren't Chinese that I can see if I can get here?

>>34242886
>sorry, I'm new to body armor. I didn't mean to be spouting memes. I just wanted some help. What research I've done said that ceramic can break if handled roughly. That's what I was basing my statement on.

You seem to be posting in good faith, so I'll be kinder to you than most and actually reply.

No ceramics will not break under and kind of reasonable rought handling. Military guys deploy for a year straight with them and toss carriers on the ground, jump to prone and smack into shit and the ceramics don't break. Short of tossing them off a 3 story building or hitting them with a sledge hammer, you won't break them.

Ceramic NIJ IVs are multihit, and are actually rated for it. Any idea that steel is more multihit is dumb, because by the time 3-4 hits happen, the spall liner will be gone. Also NIJ IV ceramic is better than steel's NIJ III or the non-NIJ "III+". III+ is the most snaky marketing bullshit ever.

If you don't know what size PC you want, get an SKD PIG. They fit any plate size, so at least if you buy plates and they don't fit you can swap them without also having to swap you carrier. It comes with a side plate carrying option. You could also get a normal MOLLE cummerbund and get MOLLE plate pouches to slap onto it.

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>>34242920
I bought the Flyye JPC because a lot of my coworkers (army) use it and find no flaw. I will receive it in a week.

>>34242086
Would like the answer also

>>34244197
Sorry, I meant to reply to
>>34242912

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I'm about get an iotv for pretty cheap, should I get stand alone level IV plates, or ICW level IV plates?

>>34244256
Stand alone

>>34244256
Define "pretty cheap", because I wouldn't pay more than $200 for an IOTV with soft armor (and even then I'd probably pass). Those things are crap.

I've actually got a much better opinion of modern milsurp gear than I think a lot of /gq/ does, but IOTVs are one of those things that is just utterly fucked in every aspect.

I need handheld comms advice. Can anyone help?

>>34244256
Go for standalone

>>34244297
Read the op first. Then ask more specific questions

>>34244324
Roger dodger

>>34244324
Ok, so I've read the pastebin and found a decent handheld vhf/uhf transceiver.

My follow up question: is there a means of communicating over longer distances than just LOS, like with HAM, but not HAM? Like if I wanted to communicate across Washington state. Is HAM the way to go? Or is there something that doesn't require registration?

>>34244365
>Is HAM the way to go?
Yes
>Or is there something that doesn't require registration?
Cross state is probably a use case for a repeater network, That would be registered.

There are some other things that are possible with satellites but thats obviously suboptimal for tacticool operator comms

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I use grenade pouches for bolt action rifle clips. The pouches also work for mini 14 10 round mags. You can fit 2 clips or 2 mags in a pouch. It's like a modernized Pattern 08 webbing.

>>34244299
>>34244282
Any particular reason why?

>>34244293
Don't worry cowboy, I know what I'm doing.

>>34244434
I'll look into handheld HAM. Thanks.

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So I tucked in the knee pads, and also took the cover on, time to see how long it will last until it fucks up.

Also is Skeletor legit jailed or something, where is he?

>>34244474
Even handhelds will be regulated my guy.

FRS, GMRS and I think MURS are the only ones not regulated at .5w

to get across an entire state you're gonna need a lot of power and some height, that is if you plan on using UHF/VHF. Pretty much anything you're thinking about doing will require you to have a HAM ticket/license.

but if you dont give a shit about asking daddy govt for one, i dont, then you'll have to play it safe and keep your transmissions short and to the point.

>>34244596
he's playing games on steam still, I think we bullied him too much

>>34244842
Damn, a-are we the bad guys?

>>34244642
I know the handheld will be regulated. Can you inform me more on FRS, GMRS and MURS?

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>>34244869
we have little skulls on our hats...

>>34244869
he paid $1000 for a smock so i think not

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>>34244842
LEAF Manlet BTFO

>>34244596
I didn't mind Skelly when he stuck to talking about the details of the construction of gear, that was totally in his autistic niche. But when he started talking like he knew shit about how to fight and be tactical, he started getting on my nerves. Especially when he "backed it up" by citing some unknown Canadian soldiers he had talked with; it really smacked of a kid trying to act like he was a military expert because his cousin was a Marine or something.

Just my $0.02, but the little guy just needs to pull back from having an opinion on goddamn everything when it comes to having to operate in the field or fight and just stick to being a gear encyclopedia with a ton of cash.

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>>34244895
>inform me more on FRS, GMRS and MURS
copy pasta that into the google machine and you will have your answer

>>34245162
What are the two different ir lasers/illuminators in the pic?

If you had 600 dollars (CAD) to spend on gear what would you buy?

>>34245725
What do you have and what do you want to do?

>>34245782

I have nothing and would like body armour.

>>34245842
Read the sticky for some ideas for carriers then start looking around for a good set of ceramics.

$600 CAD in the states. should get you a carrier + plates but you probably wont have pouches in that budget. ymmv in Canada but most of the shit is identical between USA and CA

>>34245875

So.. I still don't know what plate carrier to get.

The sticky link has a bunch of different names but I don't really want to google each one and go through them individually.

Is there a better resource that streamlines the choices? Is there a generic goto brand you guys recommend? What should I be looking for? I want something that doesn't hinder mobility too much but stops pretty much everything.

>>34246060
Google all the choices. Jesus don't be that lazy.

>>34246060
>Do you want soft armor?
Yea, means look at armor carriers
>Do you want side plates?
Yea, means rule out anything that can't hold them
>Do you want MOLLE or slick?
>Do you autism over having it in a particular color

>stops pretty much everything
That is your plates, not your vest.

>>34246079

meh

>>34244447
Less bulk and it is lighter overall. Plus standalone are lvl 4 while ICW have a kevlar backing to make it rate lvl 4

>>34246060
>doesnt hinder mobility but stops pretty much everything
you are a troll or have done zero fucking research, you're a fucking failure, gtfo just buy those ar500 plates like I already know you're going to ask about.


that being said, the plate carrier list has some bloat.

>>34246343
>that being said, the plate carrier list has some bloat.

True, imo it should just be a list of the best few options at each price point in like $30-$50 ranges.

>>34243396
Thanks for the insight. I had no idea the ceramic could be so robust.
The PIG looks really neat, I'll look into that more.
Thank you.

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>>34246353
I would slim it down to 3 categories
1. Bare minimum destitute tier "I need a carrier or im going to die" ($100-$150)
2. Solid middle ground ($150-$250)
3. Gucci operators only ($250-$????)

I dont really think there is a $30-$50 massive increase in quality worth defining

>>34246121
It's going in an iotv that has iiia in it. That's the reason I asked stand alone or icw, because this is already going to have soft armor.

>>34246451
What is this picture for ants?

>>34246457
Mobile poster detected, delete urself scrub.
>No you have to open the image individually because its super narrow (800x6855)

>>34246451
Hey thanks for the infographic. Have a <you>.

>>34246451
>>34244256
What is your opinion?

>>34244256
>>34246592
Unless you are getting the IOTV for sub $100 its not really worth it. They are huuuge and the soft armor while nice just really adds unnecessary weight. Dont get me wrong, they are well made and I have a couple laying around but I wouldnt go seek one out as a plate carrier

>>34238265
Usgi can resize and takes up 3 molle horizontally, though there's no reason you can't make it use 2.
Get nslgene canteens

>>34246451
BodyArmor102 when?

>>34246635
When I feel like it, I've been busy at work recently so maybe soonish

>>34246606
>they are well made and I have a couple laying around but I wouldnt go seek one out as a plate carrier

The release system on them is utter trash. I have no idea how you take a CIRAS and copy it, but mangle the simple original system and turn it into the IOTV's fucktardedness. And the handle doesn't ever want to lay flat and it dangles there worryingly that it will get snagged or pulled- or somebody will pull some shennanigans like OPFOR tripfag can attest to.

The center flap is so annoying because the slightly rounded cut makes actually fitting pouches on all the MOLLE impossible unless you got lucky.

The soft armor in them is so fucking thick compared to the aftermarket versions too.

Basically, what I'm saying is, if you want a full armor carrier in that style, get a CIRAS- it's the same thing except not retarded. Or any of the newer LBT or parachete offerings with full armor.

Fuck, I'll even come out and say it- an IBA is better to wear because at least it isn't full of stupid cords (and I am fully aware of all the IBA shortcomings).

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>>34237293
best bag witnessed

If I wanted to get something that can hold/has a bunch of pouches and pockets for holding stuff, and no holster, what should I get?

>>34246871
Do you want armor capabilities or no?

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>>34246871

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>>34246995
2 of 3

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>>34247012
3 of 3

>>34246606
I'm not asking if getting the iotv is worth it. I'm asking if(with a system like this) should I get stand alone, or icw?

>>34247092
They were designed to be used with ICW and if you plan to leave the soft armor in there you might as well go with some ICW plates

>>34245609
Those are two different IR chemlight, the smaller light is your standard ~6" chemlight and the larger one is one of the bigger ones, I don't remember what he said it was.

>>34244442
I like it

>>34246793
Do you have a burner email or some other form of off-board contact? I find myself wanting to ask you about your stuff but I don't come across your posts that often. In this case I've forgotten what I even wanted to ask about. :(

>>34244442
Nice, do you live in a ban state?

>>34247241
[email protected]

>>34247117
>>34246739
>>34246606

Getting the iotv for $50. The soft armor is atleast worth that right? Could I eventually put that soft armor in another carrier? Are they all cut the same?

>>34247917
Soft armor is removable and will probably fit another armor carrier. $50 is about on par for price.

>>34247973
So the carrier is a small, and I am on the small side of a medium. I'm sure it will fit me, but when I go to buy another carrier, would I have to get a small, for the soft armor?

>>34248073
if you want to keep using the soft armor then sure but if you are going to buy another carrier down the road it may be advantageous to buy standalone IV ceramics and then ditch the soft armor

>>34246985
No.
Its really just going to be a carry vest/rig.

>>34248224
Chest rig, battle jacket or FLC.

Do you plan to be innavehicles a lot?

>>34248253
Yes, innavehicles a lot.

FLC

>>34248262
Surplus FLC it is, thread on as many pouches as you want on the front but avoid your back and sides getting too fat or you will be upset when innavehicle

>>34248201
So I would have to get a small for the armor?

I will have more than one carriers, playing different roles. I will not be romping through the woods in that iotv, it was just a good deal that popped up through a friend. The iotv would be for stationary, denfensive, or vehicular things. You know, stuff that will never happen. I plan on having a slick carrier for romping, with level III+ poly ceramics(yes, chastise me)

>>34248269
Any brand recommendations, or just go straight to a surplus realtor and find one?

And as for pouches?

>>34248271
>level III+
I love this meme

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>>34248278
Surplus, FLCs arent really popular otherwise so the others will be chinashit condor tier.
>And as for pouches?
How many mags? what platform?
>>34248271
>So I would have to get a small for the armor?
It depends on the armor carrier heavily but I would say probably yes
> The iotv would be for stationary, denfensive, or vehicular things. You know, stuff that will never happen.
Glad you feel that
>I plan on having a slick carrier for romping, with level III+ poly ceramics(yes, chastise me)
Stop the level 3+ meme, stop it now.

>>34248300
No mags, looking purely for loose storage of small goods.
Otherwise, AR with 30 round PMags.

>>34247024
How to get earpro to work with FAST style helmets?

Bump for other earpro options other than Howard Leights and $200-$300 Peltor/Sordin

>>34248312
>No mags, looking purely for loose storage of small goods.
errrr, try a Fishing/photography vest? They were basically designed for this
>>34248315
>How to get earpro to work with FAST style helmets?
Not his infographic my dude
>Bump for other earpro options other than Howard Leights and $200-$300 Peltor/Sordin
Please hold, pulling down info

>>34248315
Peltor Soundtraps, Peltor Sports, etc.

>>34248324
I took a look at them, but all the pockets were flush mounts as opposed to expanded sides.
I also figured I may as well get a dual use system rather than buying two singles.

>>34248324
>>34248315
http://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-PELTOR-ARC-Left-Right-Side-Attachments-1-EA-Case?N=5002385+3294756726&rt=rud

+ Peltor rangemasters

Filter out china when on ebay
>>34248334
>I took a look at them, but all the pockets were flush mounts as opposed to expanded sides.
Hmm, good luck. I mean you could get away with a bunch of GP pouches on a FLC but that sort of sucks.

>>34248300
>>34248286

I'll restate it. Level III poly ceramics that can stop m855 and m193.

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>>34248381
Who is more likely to take potshots at you? Fudds with their .243 or the US military?

>Spoiler; nobody is likely to shoot at you

>>34248416
>implying mil won't be using m855a1 in the second civil war.

If I'm in a position to have potshots taken at me, I would be in the iotv. If I'm wearing the level iii's then that means I'm high speed, and will just be a blur.

Has anyone tested .243 on level iii's? I know it would be faster than .308, but I'm not a durr.

>>34248465
> If I'm wearing the level iii's then that means I'm high speed
Are you so high speed that the extra 3lbs is going to make or break you?
>but I'm not a durr.
Exactly what a deer would say

>>34248465
>>34248381
>>34248416
Some one needs to buy some polyethylene ceramic (((III+))) plates and test them against some common hunting and civilian rounds. At this point in time I think we can be pretty confident that those plates advertised to stop M80, M193, M855, and 7.62x39 will do so. The real interesting question is will it stop hunting rounds and non ap .30-06?

>>34248497
Hell level IV is rated against AP .308 which has statistically more penetration than AP 30-06

>>34248497
Here is the meme, since III+ isnt standardized that sort of testing would largely manufacturer dependent
>hunting rounds and non ap .30-06
Wtf do you think people do with non AP 30-06
>>34248516
Depends heavily on the sort of AP ammo used, M2 AP blacktip 30-06 is largely subpar AP ammo as far as modern tungsten offerings are concerned.

>>34248497
I agree. This sounds like it's right up a2's alley

>>34248476
3lbs=3 light years

>>34248534
>manufacturer dependent

Which is exactly why you are gonna buy the lightest of the two that bulletproofme has. Now hop on it.

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>>34248538
>I agree. This sounds like it's right up a2's alley
Yeah i will buy a pair of III+ plates and throw them in the trash where they belong. Every fucking day I have to deal with people going "but these plates are rated to stop <specific load out of specific barrel length as only tested by manufacturer>" the standards exist because they allow you to buy without having to shoot everything you buy.

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>>34248534
I'm honestly guessing but I imagine there is a decent amount of non AP 30-06 floating around for durr rifles?

That is why someone other than the manufacturer should do the testing.


>>34248538
I for one welcome out new poly/ceramic overlords. Level IV is overbuilt anyways with most 10x12" single curve plates coming in around 7.5lbs per plate for anywhere between $150-$300 per plate.

>>34248583
>Level IV is overbuilt anyways with most 10x12" single curve plates coming in around 7.5lbs per plate for anywhere between $150-$300 per plate.
Thats the cheap plates, you can have 2/3 of following
>cheap
>IV protection
>Light Weight
Also
>arguing that you are too protected
Having disc brakes is dumb, drumb brakes stop just fine! They are overbuilt and a meme!

>>34248572
The standards are outdated IMO and level IV will be a dying meme soon.

I don't care about 6 rounds of AP 30-06.
I care about multi hit for M193, M855, M80, 7.62x39, and I guess M855A1 defeating would be cool at this point.

NON-AP readily available sporting rounds from Walmart/Academy/Cabelas/BassPro in 30-06, 7mm rem mag, and .270 Winchester would be important to test as well, but still less important than your 5.56, and .308 tests.

>>34248568
>Which is exactly why you are gonna buy the lightest of the two that bulletproofme has. Now hop on it.
Im thinking about no, I could spend that money on more grenade launchers or sandwiches

>>34248638
>The standards are outdated IMO and level IV will be a dying meme soon.
Only thing dying is the retard buying III plates
>NON-AP readily available sporting rounds from Walmart/Academy/Cabelas/BassPro in 30-06, 7mm rem mag, and .270 Winchester would be important to test as well, but still less important than your 5.56, and .308 tests.
Plates have been mostly a military thing since their invention so as a result the standards are geared towards military threats.

>>34248640
I just buy when SKD has a sale on stuff. Cheap and heavy, but under $100 a plate isn't bad for a fake operator like myself

>>34248627
Next you're going to tell me I need more than 3 speeds in my car. 5 speed transmissions are overbuilt and garbage!

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>armor shitshow thread
ive come around on ceramic 3+, is good meme, from a reliable vendor

>>34248627
lightweight is never cheap. find a level iii ceramic for less than $160. I find it kinda strange, but i guess its a demand thing

>>34248640
What grip told me he would pay for the plate.

>>34248638
>7mm Remington magnum

I don't think IV's can stop that fast of stuff.

>>34248667
Nij testing isn't military, and it's geared towards threats for police, right? .243 .270 and 7mm rm are police threats. What did that /k/ poster in Pennsylvania shoot those troopers with? A nugget probably, but still.

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>spiritus systems starts selling on skdtac
>no woodland
wdhmbt

>>34246343
>that being said, the plate carrier list has some bloat.
it needs to be sorted by categories like slicks plate carriers, armor carriers, etc.

Thinking about popping m gear cherry, but I'm also super poor. I have a bunch of surplus flecktarn shit (Parka+liner, big 4 pocket ass pouch thing, winter cap, and gloves) that I'd like to use so as to cut costs a bit.

Is there any decent rigs or webbing systems I should look into that won't bust my ass apart when I go to pay rent in a week? I'm a little wary of trying to pick up the surplus LKS webbing, mostly because the only place I could find it had it priced ridiculously.

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>>34249083
if you're struggling to pay the rent, I'd wait on the kit man

>>34249096
I wouldn't say I'm struggling, more that I just can't buy a whole rig in one go. It'd likely take me a couple paycheck cycles to put the whole thing together.

>>34248975
>What grip told me he would pay for the plate.
Alright just have him wire me the money
>>34249083
>>34249119
Read the sticky and pick a chest rig/battle jacket to start with as they are generally cheap and easy to deal with

>>34249119
belt rig, chest rig? do you want body armor?

>>34249083
>>34249119
Budget? Do you want armor? What do you want to carry?

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Selling Khaki LVMBAV $450 shipped in the US
Don't want spam buyers so no email
Call 7409718173

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>>34249822
Tags

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>>34249822
>>34249835

>>34249822
Holy fuck is that a good price

>>34249145
Will do, thanks.

>>34249157
Belt, and a chest rig. I'm staying away from armor for the time being, though a rig that can be used with armor in the future would be ideal.

>>34249246
At the moment I've got $200 to throw down on the basics and from there I can build on it as time goes by. It's a little odd, but I'm trying to find something that can carry PPS-43 mags relatively effectively. That and a place for water, food, and other survival basics.

>>34249835
shid

>>34239358

Risky shirt there, mate. All I'd see was the word "Communist" before I would open fire on you.

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>>34237195
M90!

>>34249960
FIELD FACING FORWARD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>34249822
are you serious? I don't even have $450 right now. I want to jump on this so bad

>>34249983
There's no velcro on the left arm

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is there any known current development towards plates that can stop modern AP ammunition?

>>34250144
Yes. NIJ IV.

>>34250156
I dont mean old steel core AP, I mean modern tungsten core AP.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/05/28/army-chief-milley-says-army-developed-new-bullet-defeat-level-iv-body-armor/

>>34250186
i mean if you are asking if anyone announced they're working towards defeating a projectile that has only been vaguely described, the answer is obviously no.

>>34250211
m993 and m995 have existed for some time now, and as far as I can tell, while some may, not all level 4 plates will reliably stop these rounds. There is not much reliable information on the subject.

>>34250301
those are already beaten rounds, the XSAPI was supposed to stop those

>>34250337
>XSAPI
well that answers my question better than NIJ IV. Anyone know of any similar developments on the commercial end?

>>34250356
i mean it's not like the army designed XSAPI, they put it out to bid like everything else

Ceradyne was supposed to supply them but I'm sure LTC at least tried

Is there a discord link that hasn't fucking expired already?

>>34250782
No. The people making these threads don't understand that the invites expire quickly.

>>34250782
>>34250795
https://discord.gg/ztGj8qd
Invites are set to never expire but have 100 uses max. No way to know unless someone speaks up. If I make the next thread I'll make a note saying to speak up if the invite is expired.

>>34250301
Find me a supply of m993 and m995 and ill shoot all of the plates you send me :^)

>>34247275
Yes I do. If I didn't I'd already have an AR and the correct pouches.

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>>34229448
I recognize that cat!

>>34252452
HOW'D YOU GET MY CAT?! SHE WAS HOME WHEN I LEFT THIS MORNING!

>>34250795
the people making these threads dont have admin privledge

>>34253486
They do have administrative access to your mother though...

>>34254053
Thats not too difficult to get

Anyone hear anything about Highcom's AR1000 steel plate? Seems neat. Under 6lbs. Armox Advance UHH steel. But it's brand new and has little coverage.

For that matter, does anyone have anything from Armour-wear?

>>34254789
does it have an NIJ rating yet?

>>34254803
Yeah, I believe it does. Armox is hard as fuck too. Beyond the brinell scale. Military was jacking off about it a couple years ago.

>>34246793
>mine dont have the hole for a gun

tf mystery ranch

>>34245609
left blob is a 6" IR chemlight and the right blob is a 15" IR chemlight

>>34250855
What kangaroo pouch insert did you use? Also whats the side pouch?

>>34254803
3+

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>>34244596
I really like your kit, Anon.

Based off of FSK?

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>>34255854
Yeah, FSK/MJK. Was considering getting a groin protector, since there are older and official pics of them using it, but havent seen any newer pics of them actually using it. Also found it kinda silly having a lightweight kit with groin protector. Will probably post better pics once the weapon is in place.

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>>34256010
I also have to stop being lazy and get a better camera

>>34255783
so lvl 3

>>34256263
Yeah. It has 3 cert, but the practical limit is a good bit higher according to them. And highcom is a pretty trustworthy company.

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unorthodox

>>34257326
Do you use that to find ghosts?

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>>34247012
Any category/thoughts for heavier helmets you could add?

Anyone know a Spiritus-compatible insert for subgun mags or a way to get them to fit in there? Subguns are my fetish.

>>34258851
I don't have any, but I don't see why you can't just use the pistol mag inserts. People keep asking this, and that seems like the first obvious go to.

>>34249822
>>34249835
>>34249849
>>34249863
>>34250012
He's trying to pull a scam. Those pics are pulled from various places.

Tag pic is from ebay listing
https://picclick.com/Crye-Precision-LV-MBAV-S-M-Khaki-w-Radio-Side-Armor-322486938087.html

Crye branded "fabric tape" thing pic is from a devsix thead
http://www.gearsoc.se/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=11389

If it's not a scam, stop fucking around and post a timestamped pic.

>>34256050
Whats the point of the phone case for you?

Anon from yesterday that was asking about PCs.
I'm in AZ right now, and lo and behold, AR500 is based out of Phoenix. I stopped by today just to try on some stuff (couple in-house PCs that were knockoffs of the PIG and some Condor).
The one PC that I really liked (in b4 bully) was the Condor Micro. I liked the upgraded buckles/QR system over the traditional Velcro, comfy shoulder pads, and the fact that it seemed minimalistic, as I'm not some high speed oper9er who needs 5k rounds of ammo on me at all times.
The cons were that it was Condorshit, only accepted 8x10, and no option for holding side armor.
Can you guys recommend me a carrier that
>has straps and buckles, not Velcro
>offers side armor in 1 package, not an auxillary cummerbund
>fits 10x12 plates

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>>34259330
Pic related is the Condor Micro

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>>34259330
>side armor with no velcro
FirstSpear STT?
iirc blucarpet has one and had something he didnt like about it. Any particular reason why you're not open to velcro? Gives you a very increased amount of options.

>>34259330
The condor micro is dedicated to 8x10. No way around it.

Anyway, you'll find minimalistic stuff from Beez or First Spear

>>34259330
There's a plate carrier i can't remember the name of that has cobra buckles for the cummerbund and should have soft armor pockets in the cummerbund but i can't remember the name. Used to be part of Ares Armor but they split.

>>34259421
velcro is noisy, gets full of burrs and lint, and wears out dramatically faster than buckles.
>>34259485
I know that, I was just hoping you dudes knew of something a *touch* bigger.
Thanks for the recommendations, I'll look into them.
>>34259716
Those are called cobra buckles? Awesome, thanks for the tip. I'll do some googling. Thank you, sir.

>>34258980
I had a friend of mine test this out (I don't have a subgun, and besides that I live in CA and there are no 10/30 subgun mags) and he told me it doesn't work so well. He used one of those Pakistani MP5 clones and a 9mm AR (Colt style mags) if that makes a difference.The weight of the bottom end of the magazine (that is, the part that is sticking out the top of the chest panel), especially with curved magazines, makes the magazine sag and flop out of the elastic insert.

>>34259740
I would consider investigating ATS tactical as well. They make very similar carriers and im sure if you asked they could make you a custom with the features you want. I have an IFAK pouch from them and it's very high quality.

>>34237195
VeteranStalker/10

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Gloves question:

I have a pair of outdoor research ironsight gloves, and while the suede is nice I recently went to the range when it was 100F outside. Found out that wet suede is not fun.

Any recommendations for gloves with leather palm? arcteryx assault glove FR's were my first choice, but they're discontinued.

>>34254880

Insert: Ferro Concepts KTS - Kydex Triple Shingle

Side Pouch: Flyye Tactical Trauma Kit
It's modeled after the ITS ETA Trauma Pouch (Fatboy). I run a fatboy on my Eagle RRV but they barely come in ranger green so I started looking for an alternative. Honestly, this this is just as good and like half the cost.

>>34259805
I'll definitely give them a look. Thanks!

>>34259839
Thanks anon.

>>34259830
I have OR overlords and they're pretty gucci i guess. if you look on ebay you can find them for pretty cheap. probably not as tactile as your ironsights though cause they're pretty built gloves.

discord link for the expired
https://discord.gg/KPCNRRU

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>>34259330
I cant believe im saying this
the first spear stt is right up your alley
>no velcro
>takes 10x12s and sideplates, but id do soft armor sides at most, side plates are gay

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muh overlords + cute meme knife

>>34260039
Hey, thanks, blucarpet. Why did you dislike yours?

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So, what's the lightest weight SAPI cut plate I can buy these days, and how much can I expect to shell out for it? I am trapmode physique and don't want to gain the muscle needed to carry heavier plates.
>pic unrelated

>>34260265
5-6 lbs per plate, depending on threat level
what kind of protection are you looking for

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>>34259830
Overlords

>>34260293
I have a JPC 2.0 that I bought for fetish play a while back. I want armor that will fit in that carrier and be able stop shotgun shells and pistol rounds at the very least, since that's what most people in my area seem to own and some recent riots have me spooked. Can I get Level II soft armor and cut a piece of plastic off a Rubbermaid box to provide a stiff frame so that it won't flop around? The cut piece of plastic would act like the polymer frame you find along the back panel of some rucksacks, allowing the soft armor to sit in the carrier without sagging or flopping. If that makes sense. I've had a chance to try on a soft armor vest in the past and it was a comfortable weight for me. I'm just physically not the sort of person these things are made for is the thing.

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>>34260347
JPC 2.0 that I bought for fetish play

>>34260357
I'm into /k/ stuff because I think it's hot, but that's besides the point. The JPC 2.0 is currently stuffed with stiff yoga mat.

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>>34260265
>>34260365
>trapmode physique
>I'm into /k/ stuff because I think it's hot
location?

>>34260386
Engaged, so no point in saying.

>>34260407
Lucky spouse

>>34260329
nice, my glove brother of another color

>>34260347
uh i wouldn't bother with NIJ level II, if it's riot time i want something that will stop more than just 9mm, preferably intermediate caliber rifles but if it's worth the trouble of wearing overt armor, at least NIJ IIIA.

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>>34254789
>https://discord.gg/ztGj8qd
>>34254803
>>34254854
>>34255783
>>34256263
>>34256444
Not just level three. Here are the special threats it is rated to by the manufacturer.
FN FAL 7.62 x 51 mm - M80 (NIJ06) 2780 847
Rifle M-16/AR-15 5.56 x45mm – M855/SS109 3117 950
Rifle M-16/AR-15 5.56 x45mm – M193 3150 960
Rifle AK-47, M, SKS 7.62 x 39 mm – Mild Steel Core 2380 725
Rifle AK-47, M, SKS 7.62 x 39 mm – Ball 2380 725
Rifle M-16/AR-15 5.56x45mm - .223Rem partition 2750 840

5.8lbs for a 0.35" thick 10x12" shooters cut plate. Lighter than price competing ceramics by about 1lb. Thinner too. If they have the spall thing figured out it might be viable.

>>34259740
>Velcro wears out dramatically faster than buckles.
Source please?

>>34237873
>>34239557
Nice job Svens! Keep it up guys.

>>34248922
This is where I'm at. NIJ is outdated. Special thread rated poly/ceramic hybrid is hopefully in my future.

>>34248975
>>34248640
Level IV confirmed for stopping .338 Lap.
Veteran's MFG claims there poly/ceramic hybrid III+ rifle plate is rated for 7mm and .338 Lap.
I think the
>Special threat rated III+ won't stop common hunting rounds
Argument might be weakening.

>>34249083
Budget for a web setup?
We had an Alice rig discussion the other day, and even talked about the surplus USMC battle belts. What firearms are you working with?

Check out the following:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USGI-Military-Lot-MED-PISTOL-WEB-BELT-CANTEEN-AMMO-POUCH-ALICE-CLIPS-MORE-VG/280385226235?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D51e3a4efd2614000b27b47521fba6d05%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D162394413065

Grab that plus get an IFAK on there and you have your basics covered. 6 AR mags, 2L of water, and IFAK.

Or grab this:
http://www.arvadasurplus.com/usmc-sub-belt-battle-belt-iraq-afghanistan-coyote-marsoc-marines-special-operations.html#.WUIC9hPysfE
You'll still need pouches.

gotta say i'm really skeptical of superhard steel plates. no free lunch, hardness usually means brittleness and shattered plates when you hit em with something really high energy.

>>34259368
Leave arizona as fast as you can, you are the worst fucking piece of shit and I don't want you in my state.

>>34260417
I can't handle 5 lbs a plate, though, and I don't intend to be going outside when the socialists are rioting. This is more for the stray bullets that go into buildings, because an old lady in my city caught a stray 9mm in the chest just sitting in her living room the last time Thug Lives Matter decided to destroy the city. So will Level II soft armor with a rigid frame to keep it stable work in a plate carrier, or not?

>>34260500
Shattered means energy absorbed. That's how ceramics work.

Not that steel plates would shatter, anyways. That's not how steel fails.

>>34260570
yeah i guess? would still consider IIIa, it's like 1.5lbs per panel

>>34260589
not normally but i've seen pics of shattered 6mm thick low-profile steel plates. mind you they took a lot of rounds.

>>34260570
>I can't handle 5 pounds a plate
I'm a fucking skeleton and climbed a mountain ridge with 2 8lb plates and 2 gallons of water how the fuck can you not handle an extra 10 pounds in a vest holy shit

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my b was a 5mm thick plate

>>34260616
and it was 1 round of M193 rip. must have been overhardened

>>34260570
Plate carriers are specifically designed to hold hard plates, without them they're floppy. What you've described may work but it won't be very nice. What you want is a soft armor carrier.

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>>34249867
>PPS-43 mags
Buy a fucking AR dude. They're like $400 right now.
Otherwise consider a surplus mag pouch so it definitely fits mags.
http://militarygunsupply.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=193

You might get lucky and this might work:
http://www.optactical.com/tatamp5domag.html

But seriously buy a fucking AR.

If you want a rig that can be used with armor consider a swift clip system. Get the rid now, later down the road you can clip the front of the rig to a swift clip compatible carrier.

The Mayflower and the Haley Strategic are the most popular these days:

http://www.optactical.com/mauwchriggen.html
http://www.optactical.com/hastd3chrig.html

https://www.velsyst.com/556-hybrid-chest-rig.html

Super super basic survival stuff can go in a GP pouch on a sustainment rig, but remember to separate your survival/sustainment gear from your firefight gear, to an extent at least. When you're planning out your chest rig or plate carrier, you really shouldn't be looking for spots for your thermarest, sleeping bag, jetboil, dragon dildo etc...

You might not like to hear this again but I would seriously consider starting your gear from the ground up with a different weapons platform, if you can even call a PPS-43 a platform.

If you're serious about gear/combat prepping, and you live stateside, you want a DI 5.56 AR. At least for now.

>>34257326
>>34257326
What is going on here?
Behringer isn't very good stuff.

>>34260265
>>34260293
>>34260347
Lightest SAPI cut?
There are some very light poly level III plates that will stop handguns, shotguns, and some rifles. We're talking 2.5-3lbs per plate.
http://www.officersurvivalsolutions.com/products/body-armor-ballistic-helmets/stand-alone-armored-plates-level-iii-price-per-unit-detail.html

These guys claim 1.6lbs per plate for their level III
http://americanblastsystems.com/a-nij-iii-icw-1-6-plate-15-year-warranty/

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>>34260666
>1.6 a plate
im starting to see level 3 plates as a more viable option. There are situations where I wouldnt bother with armor because of the extra weight (rucking an extremely long distance) but at that point fuck it, thats so light weight for a plate that can stop a pretty good amount of common rifle rounds.

>>34260702
whew, nevermind, didnt see the "ICW" on those plates. Thats +1 pound per plate for the soft armor which isnt as amazing

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>>34260702
>>34260728
I didn't see that either.
2.5lbs per plate for honest NIJ level III is pretty good. The trick is getting that weight for less than $300 per plate.

Consider again my first link.

Or these if you want to take a risk with an ebay vendor.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Level-3-Dyneema-bulletproof-armour-plate-set-AK47-7-62NATO-10x12-inch-2-pcs/221900701682?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3Df1592d1df2b346b4b6910906397af3f3%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D221544850383

3lbs per plate. Level III+
$220 per plate after shipping.

Also start exercising you fuck.

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>>34260475
>Not just level three. Here are the special threats it is rated to by the manufacturer.
Everything you listed is within the realm of level 3, nothing there is super penetrating
>MFG claims
>MFG claims
>MFG claims
>MFG claims
All day every day
>Argument might be weakening.
Level
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I am getting excessively annoyed by repeating this every thread and day to you
>>34254789
>For that matter, does anyone have anything from Armour-wear?
I have some of their ceramics

>>34260819
>M193 at 3150 fps
>Within the real of level 3

That's not even close to true, you retard. Go read the NIJ ratings.

>>34260636
What if I were to make a container with the shape and dimensions of a SAPI plate and apply velcro to both the soft armor and the inside of the container? It would give the needed rigidity to sit tight in the plate carrier and also allow me to wear lightweight soft armor in the fancy-pants carrier I already have.

>>34260887
Pretty crafty, desu sempai

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>>34260858
>Go read the NIJ ratings.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/223054.pdf

Can you find any mention of 5.56 in here?
>>34260570
>>34260887
You could get IIIA composite hard armor for no weight at all

https://www.spartanarmorsystems.com/level-iiia-10-x-12-hard-armor-set-of-two/
Please note:
>set of two
Before you freak out at the price

>>34260939
Will those fit in a carrier designed for medium SAPI cut plates?

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>>34261017
Negative they are 10x12

These will: https://www.dfndrarmor.com/product/dfndr-lightweight-body-armor-level-iiia-handgun-plates/

>>34260939
>https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/223054.pdf
>Can you find any mention of 5.56 in here?
the point is that you need some kind of special threat rating to tell you if you can stop certain 5.56 rounds, learn reading comp

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>>34261127
>the point is that you need some kind of special threat rating to tell you if you can stop certain 5.56 rounds, learn reading comp
I'm done

>>34261158
Hi done, nice to meet you, I'm anon.

anyways certain level III plates regularly fail to stop multiple of the 5.56 loadings listed there, so
>Everything you listed is within the realm of level 3, nothing there is super penetrating
is complete bullshit.

Sorry you can't handle being ignorant about armor despite your attempts to act hard.

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>>34261176
Post your level III++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plates that are guaranteed to stop .380acp (this time for sure!)

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>>34260819
The M193, M855, and the steel core AK are most certainly not included in NIJ III testing.

NIJ rating is outdated and inefficient, and arguably a rather terrible rating system:

> Types III and IV armor shall be tested with a single test threat
>Type III hard armor or plate inserts shall be tested in a conditioned state with 7.62 mm FMJ, steel jacketed bullets (U.S. Military designation M80) with a specified mass of 9.6 g (147 gr) and a velocity of 847 m/s ± 9.1 m/s (2780 ft/s ± 30 ft/s).

NIJ level III is literally the following:
Take 4x supposedly III plates. Shoot each one with 6 rounds of 7.62x51 M80. Make sure that out of the 24 rounds fired, at least 12 are stopped.

This is all straight from their NIJ 0101.06 PDF
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/223054.pdf

>Everything you listed is within the realm of level 3, nothing there is super penetrating
Wrong. The M193 is not tested for by NIJ level III, neither is M855, or the 7.62x39. M193 is notorious for penetrating cheap level III steel plates, and M855 is notorious for penetrating Polyethylene III plates.

Who cares if 3+ isn't a standard. Every serious armor manufacturer out there has left NIJ standards behind. There are tons of special threat ratings out there, and yes they vary by manufacturer, but that doesn't make the product useless.

The argument is weakening.
You must have realized that to a certain extent when SKD released their special threat rifle plate.

>>34260939
To answer you challenge to anon, see the first part of my post.

>>34260939
>>34260887
At 1lb per plate and about $340 for the set the spartan armor IIIA isn't bad, if your primarily concerned with pistols and shotguns. If rifles are on your radar at all you should pass, and grab the special threat III+ I linked that weight 2.5-3lbs per plate, but that will/should stop most common rifle rounds.

>>34261017
>>34261044
I thought SAPI medium was 9.5"x12.5"?
Should fit a 10x12" plate just fine assuming THICC

>>34261200
Nigga, you realize you can call a supplier and ask for a copy of their test results right? There are plenty of reputable companies that sell special threat rated plates. Not every plate that LTC, Tencate, or Ceradyne makes is NIJ rated. Actually, many of the plates they make for the mil/LE market are not NIJ rated since the military has its own standards and big federal LE agencies like the FBI and the DEA have their own test protocols.

Anyways, I've been telling people for ages that III+ isn't a real NIJ rating, literally years ago. You haven't stumbled on anything new. The difference is you assumed that means all special threat plates are shit, when in fact many of the companies you like make special threat plates.

>>34260939
>Can you find any mention of 5.56 in here?
No you can't.
Therefore, M193 is outside of the realm of LVL III.
You're a dumbass, case closed.

>>34260475
I was Velcro hater. I'm just talking real life experience with Velcro strips on coat cuffs, rain fly's, etc. No data whatsoever to back it up.

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>>34261315
Oh okay. I was just curious. A lot of carriers attach the cumberbund to the front by velcro, that is why I asked. I hate commercial velcro too, but between guitar pedal boards and the AWS OCPC carrier that I sold the other month, I've come to at least tentatively believe in industrial/military grade hook and loop.
I see where you're coming from.

>>34261207
>The M193, M855, and the steel core AK are most certainly not included in NIJ III testing.
And IIIA isnt rated to stop 5.7x28 loadings or FSM 9mm loadings.
>1-3a: a smattering of pistol threats (with some shotgun)
>3: full power rifle lead core
>4: full power rifle AP
Almost like they were trying to cover a highlevel overview of threats.

Who cares if its not independently tested? Who cares if III+ and steel plates in general have had piles of recalls?

http://bulletproofme.com/RP-Level-4-Stand-Alone.html#Lightweight
10x12 multicurve ceramic IV for 6.7lbs at $220 per plate

>Should fit a 10x12" plate just fine assuming THICC
If you want to test this hypothesis I have a medium sapi sized carrier and some 10x12 plates and I assure you that they do not fit due to width restrictions 9.5 != 10 (+edge).

>>34261250
> Actually, many of the plates they make for the mil/LE market are not NIJ rated since the military has its own standards and big federal LE agencies like the FBI and the DEA have their own test protocols.
You mean to tell me that mil and fed invent their own standards for their processes? Halt the presses.
>you assumed that means all special threat plates are shit, when in fact many of the companies you like make special threat plates.
There is no reason to buy special threat plates when IV ceramics exist and are easily obtained. Every federal agency or relevant military utilizes a plate that is designed to prevent AP threats because they exist globally. Walk into any sporting goods store and look at the shelves, there arent 300 different hunting rifles chambered in fast calibers because they are nice to look at.

>buy the bare minimum protection to save 0.5lb to 1lb
Get the polymer/magnesium AR lower next, it wont fail until you need it.

>>34261355
>Every federal agency or relevant military utilizes a plate that is designed to prevent AP threats because they exist globally.
You really have no idea what you're talking about. Plenty of LE agencies go with special threat plates. WPPS issued special threat steel plates. SOCOM has also bought into special threat plates in low-vis applications.

>There is no reason to buy special threat plates when IV ceramics exist and are easily obtained. Every federal agency or relevant military utilizes a plate that is designed to prevent AP threats because they exist globally. Walk into any sporting goods store and look at the shelves, there arent 300 different hunting rifles chambered in fast calibers because they are nice to look at.
Nigga I own level IV ceramics already. The reason to buy special threat plates is because they're fucking light and thin.

>>34261355
Hmm so medium SAPI carriers don't fit 10x12" plates well? Interesting.

>>34261355
>There is no reason to buy special threat plates when IV ceramics exist and are easily obtained.

I disagree completely. Special threat plates are often lighter than level IV ceramics, and can be tailored to meet the threats that the customer requires. I don't need nor do I want armor than can stop 6 rounds of AP 30-06. I'd rather save 6lbs off my kit total, and get some 3-4lb special threat rated plates that stop M193, M855, M80, Mild steel core and FMJ 7.62x39. To meet NIJ level IV standards obviously requires a good bit of mass. Seriously what is the lightest level IV 10x12? I think you can spend like $400 per plate and get down to around 5.5lbs maybe?

The hunting rifle argument is beginning to falter as I already expressed. If you want to defeat common carbines, and common hunting rounds, then find a special threat plate that does that. Spending more money and carrying heavier plates that stop 6 rounds of AP 30-06 so that you can assume (NIJ IV doesn't test ANYTHING EXCEPT black tip 30-06) they will also stop .270, .338, and 7mm simply isn't necessary when there are manufacturers out there selling cheaper lighter special threat rated plates that are rated for those rounds.

I mean of course you can consider the possibility that the manufacturer is lying, or that the product is defective, but the first problem is probably negligible thanks to the free market, and the second problem is still very much possibly even if you're buying muh NIJ IV rated plates.


Bump for will thicker poly/ceramic (approx 0.9") single curve 10x12" plates fit in a small/medium SAPI carrier?

http://www.optactical.com/vesyliweplca.html
http://www.lifeandlibertygear.com/shop/velocity-systems-lightweight-plate-carrier-lwpc-sm/
OPT says it will fit up to SAPI Large which is 10" wide. LLG says it will fit some 10x12".
Hmm.

>>34261518
RMA has some ultralight level IV, but when I called and asked, it turns out the plate in the 10x12 is actually only 8.5x10.5.

Talk about bullshit.

>>34260819
How do you like your armourwear ceramics? They've got some good looking specs but no verification.

>>34259312
Not breaking my phone

>>34260240
If I remember correct, it was the adjustment. The STT is a cheaper version of the AAC/Strandhögg, so it lacks some features.

>>34262012
Also I have a small dream of eventually have some sort of UAV/small drone that I can use

>>34260570
Here you go bitch. Level iii at 3.2 pounds.

http://www.bulletproofme.com/RP-Polyethylene.html

>>34261652
As well as one can like ceramics, they came very well packaged and have been good to me. They are a little on the heavier side but for budget buying they are so well priced, they have come down in price (as most plates have) since I bought them and are now an excellent choice imo if you are okay with the weight
>>34261518
>I don't need nor do I want armor than can stop 6 rounds of AP 30-06.
Then save another 8 pounds off your kit and drop plates entirely or save 6 pounds and drop to IIIA inserts only. The slippery slope of basing your protection around a target weight is on par with people drilling holes in their frame/unibody to save weight
>. I'd rather save 6lbs off my kit total
This would make sense if your setup didnt involve clipping a massive battle belt to himself
>"but Im just offsetting the weight savings!"
Then you aren't saving weight just moving it from one part of your gear to the other. Skeletonize the pistol grip on your AR to save an extra ounce as that is ~2 rounds of 5.56.
>special threat rated plates that are rated for those rounds.
I would be extremely suspicious of any plate that is capable of stopping 338lap and not 30-06 m2
>but the first problem is probably negligible thanks to the free market
"I guess I will never buy these plates anymore" said the man with the sucking chest wound
>Bump for will thicker poly/ceramic (approx 0.9") single curve 10x12" plates fit in a small/medium SAPI carrier?
>Hmm so medium SAPI carriers don't fit 10x12" plates well? Interesting.
No they wont, I own both 10x12 plates and a spare medium sized sapi carrier. the extra .5" and edge padding makes them too big in my sample size of one. You can try jamming the plates in there yourself.

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>>34262653
>Then save another 8 pounds off your kit and drop plates entirely or save 6 pounds and drop to IIIA inserts only. The slippery slope of basing your protection around a target weight is on par with people drilling holes in their frame/unibody to save weight
your blind insistence that every plate needs to stop AP centerfire rifle rounds is silly and has no basis in reality.

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>>34262673
best just to strap in and wait it out senpai

>>34262653
Why don't you just carry around a ton of reactive armor? RPGs are a real threat.

>>34262673
>>34262829
It's like a calf getting separated from the herd by a pack of wolves. It's best to just stand back and watch them rip it apart and eat it alive.

>>34258454
Yeah. As follows:

Get something lighter.

>>34262851
im just going to make sure my wife is exposed to eezo during pregancy so my child is biotic and wont need to worry about armor ratings

>>34262919
or you could just adopt a middle eastern kid. I would think that they are starting to grow an immunity.

>>34262400
Doesn't block greentip.

That's why 3+ is rad for poly plates. It usually blocks greentip, which is a super common round, unlike m2.

>>34257326
Cool rig. Is that a Rode NT1-A? Do you use it to record gunshots?

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