Was this the most embarrassing moment in US military history?

>>34195897
Won't happen again, now that we're under Trump

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

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>>34195910
>who cares if most of our soldiers died and surrendered, at least we set the house on fire

>>34195897

The US military has a mix raced army however whites make for terrible solders, they cry PTSD at the very first sound of a grenade going off. They openly cry when being captured, it's pathetic.
The blacks and hispanics seem to be the only real men in the US military.

>>34195931
(you)

>>34195931
agreed

>>34195927
Just let the Canadians have that one. They don't need to know about the Battle of Baltimore.

>>34195931
Ooga booga we wuz soljas>>34195905

Every single false flag, stsrting with the Mayne.

>>34195960
Oops sorry bout the Trump bait quote. But it is bait too.

>>34195897
Am I the only one who can see that was clearly a botched sf insertion, since they got caught while they were still in the water they just played dumb.

>>34195958
>Has double the numbers as the British
>Battle ends with American retreat
What did they mean by this

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>>34195897
http://militaryhistorynow.com/2015/04/30/the-mayaguez-fiasco-americas-final-bloody-battle-in-south-east-asia/

>>34195897
it's iran, i'd assume to be treated just fine.

right?

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>>34195897
>Implying that was that bad

>Accidentally wander into Iranian water
>Held for a bit and let go

>>34195927
The Canucks didn't even do that, it was British Regulars.

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>>34195897
Kasserine Pass. A reminder that, even with your numbers, weapons and confidence, You should never underestimate a veteran army.

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>>34196223
you forgot something about the emu

australia got their revenge

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No

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>>34196245
In darkness they wait, planning... innovating....

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>>34195905
The matter was resolved in probably the best way possible. The US Navy made the mistake of entering waters they had no right to be in, and were captured, interrogated, presumed not to be a threat and released peacefully. They were fed, given water and even got to lay on some comfy rugs instead of a cold cell. Yeah Obama had faults, but I'm still unsure how much power he had in this situation.

Trump's a moron who just swallowed the cum of the Saudis and thanked them for it.

>>34196290
They made the female sailor wear a head covering, how embarrassing.

>>34196267
This really. Nothing beats getting defeated by empty island.

it's vietnam

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>>34196390
What the fuck, why'd the image get stripped?

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>>34196267
Where does it mention about the destroyer and sick? It doesn't state that in the wiki article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Battle_of_Kiska&redirect=no

>>34195897
The airforce.

>>34195897
Nigga that ain't the War of 1812.

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>>34195910
>implying that was Canadians and not British Marines

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>>34195897
yanke's are a joke

when the sas guys got captured the british threatened them with a tank to get them boys back and iran gave them boys back lol USA

I'd say the most embarrassing thing the US military has done in the face of the enemy was the surrender of Fort Detroit in the War of 1812.

However, the biggest embarrassment in US military history has to be Camp Douglas. Unforgivable. Not nearly as bad as Andersonville mind you, but that's hardly an excuse.

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>>34195897
when I enlisted, badoosh gotem

>>34196493
Good Lord. Get your /b/ memes and your sophomoric speech impediment back to >>>/b/

>>34195909
Literally an act of war

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>>34196245
>mfw Australians still buttmad from emuwars

>>34195897

tear gas before photo op

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>Alpha company entrenches in front of bunker complex waiting for air strikes
>at 10:00 start complaining the trees are moving
>10:10 VC attack front platoon
>command group for company wants to see what's happening
>they walk into a claymore placed by front platoon and become casualties
>10:40 Alpha company no longer exists, attack proceeds on the remaining companies
>Americans hear M60s firing, assume that Alpha company is en route and a little confused, everyone ordered to cease fire and welcome them
>within minutes command and control has totally broken down, no fire support possible because the VC are entirely inside every perimeter
>2 hours after the first fight with Alpha company, VC commander disengages to eat lunch

>>34196448
>USS Abner Read struck a stray Japanese mine during the operation, totaling 118 casualties

>>34196303
>They made the female sailor wear a head covering
my god think of the children

>>34196897
Still doesnt explain the 2500 wounded or sick

>>34196182
Damn ran away so fast they even left men behind.

>>34195958
>Just let the Canadians have that one.
It wasn't even the fucking Canadians. Dudes don't even know their own history and trying to rewrite it.

>>34196240
A veteran army in a superior defensive position*
Everything about that was against the Americans.

>>34196942
It gets cold in the aluetians man.

>>34196895

Was the claymore actually friendly fire? The VC were firing on them with captured M60s, maybe they also set captured claymores.

>>34197201
Yet they still thought it was a good idea to cross it. Regardless, that incident made major changes to the US Army structure and doctrines, might as well fail there instead of Europe.

>>34196408
SARUMAN!

I am one of those guys that always supports our military and honors soldiers/Marines/sailors/airmen every chance I get. I have a son-in-law in the Air Force, a nephew in the Army, two sons and two daughters-in-law in the Navy, and a younger cousin in the Marines.

All that said, I can tell you that not ONE of the seven of them received what I would consider acceptable basic training. In fact, the only one that thinks he did was my Marine cousin, and it was nothing at all like the training our grandfather (his inspiration) got in the Marines nor what I got in the Army.

Most actually had more training in diversity, inclusion, and learning not to make fun of any LGBTQ "servicepeople" than they did on how to be an effective fighting force. The Air Force and Navy kids spent a fair amount of time learning to disassemble and reassemble a rifle but - get this - only had one session shooting live ammo. The Army wasn't much better; my nephew said he learned more about an AR-15 after the first few range sessions we had than the instructors seemed to know about the platform at all.

The Marine cousin mentioned that he never learned anything more about weaponry or tactics than he had already read in the hand-me-down Army manual he read before boot, and running/push-ups/physical conditioning was the only real training. Fortunately, he was a track and field star in high school, and he knows how to follow orders and not be a smartass, so he found boot not too bad.

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>>34196227
we wuz colonial marines n shieet

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>>34198023
Go back to your beer, old man.

>>34195897

Anything that happened after 1945.

>>34195931
Don't you have a lawn to mow?

That time the Anglophobe Mark Clark hated the idea of the British taking thee open city of Rome so he ran right into the city and ignored the entire German 10th Army, allowing them to move behind the Gustav line and turning the Italian front into a slogging match

>>34195931
If this was going to work on any board it would be this one. Try again in another thread and you should get the response you're after

>>34195931
I don't know about you but I'd be a lot more nervous about a visibly emotionally upset prisoner if I were a guard. They might not react rationally. Someone planning on doing something that might risk their life when they don't want to die is probably going to be pretty damn emotional about it.

But way to act like all men and military should be emotionless drones, sound like you like freedom a whole lot if the guy isn't even entitled to have human emotions. Weirdo.

>>34198143
Not him but >>34198023 is right. Yeah it's great that the military is open and inclusive, it is not great that combat effectiveness plays second fiddle to that. How many guys on here go on and on about safety briefs and power points for the most ridiculous shit? I'm okay with not all women being able to pass, I'm also okay with the tubs of lard I see in uniform getting the fat forcibly removed through PT.

I didn't join because they rejected me on medical grounds, but it is deeply annoying to know that clusterfuck retards from the inner city get a pass on stuff during "wartime" that I couldn't get just years prior to that. I hope we never have to fight a real opponent because I don't think we're up to it, too many fat fucks and retards are in uniform.

>>34198649
So, you never served, but you totally know better because of one or two anecdotes? Yeah, fuck right off, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about, and he's full of shit.

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>>34195910
You want a war leaf boy?

>>34196267
>mines don't exist

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>>34195931
Horrible b8

>>34195931
The blacks and hispanics overwhelmingly comprise non combat MOSs.

>>34198677
>>So, you never served, but you totally know better because of one or two anecdotes?
>using the anecdotes argument
>expecting me to take some retard on a Martian hair weaving forum seriously
Do you want me to drive 15 miles back into town and snap a pic of the two lardasses in military uniforms? I saw them today, I bet they're still chowing down at the diner.

I get that they're NG, but you can go piss up a rope if you think that's okay.

>the sad thing is I'm probably talking to a fat commander
Healthy at every size is bullshit.

>>34196182
Only way that could have been worse is if the Mayaguez had been rigged to blow when the US destroyer hove to next to it.
Or, given the shitshow already in place, a hypothetical veteran crew of Khmer Rouge insurgents lead boarding parties to the USN ship and seize it for Cambodia.

>>34196897
How did it not sink?
>>34196942
>>34197381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l6vpIivrmg

>http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/Reading_Room/Joint_Staff/12-F-0344-Millennium-Challenge-2002-Experiment-Report.pdf

>>34198740
Keep doubling down, neverserved, it's getting funny at this point.

You don't know their MOS, if they got hurt, or anything else.

>>34196245
>proud that they had to resort to nukes for land birds

>>34196245

Now you just have to win against the Foxes.

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>>34198947
>>you don't know their MOS
>>they got hurt
>reeeee stop bullying them
You apologizing for hams doesn't make me wrong.

I'm certain I'm talking to a 300lb walrus at this point, I hope you break your ankle at the top of a stair well.

>>34198649
>Yeah it's great that the military is open and inclusive, it is not great that combat effectiveness plays second fiddle to that.
You do realize that training is actually for combat effectiveness. If your guys are too busy fighting themselves and not getting work done accomplishing objectives,you're not an effective fighting force, even if you're a really cool macho fighter.

>>34195897
The entirety of the USN is a fucking embarrassment of complete reject tier trash these days anyhow.

>t. Someone who deployed with them

>>34199004
Yeah, no. You're just trying to make yourself feel better at this point by insulting others because you have no defense for the shit you're saying.

>>34199019
I was referring to physical fitness, I've been around the country and it is not hard to find disgusting people waddling around in uniform. Many are women, I question why my tax dollars pay for this. Isn't there minimum standards? Why aren't they applied to these walruses?

>>34199063
>you have no defense for the shit you're saying
I'm not an obese hamplanet. I don't need any more defense than that, you disgusting piece of shit.

>>34195931
How did you manage to bait both poc and whites with one post so masterfully anon?

That's fantastic!

>>34198740
>Do you want me to drive 15 miles back into town and snap a pic of the two lardasses in military uniforms? I saw them today, I bet they're still chowing down at the diner.
>I get that they're NG, but you can go piss up a rope if you think that's okay.
And they've still done harder things than you have ever tried.

>>34199090
>I'm not an obese hamplanet. I don't need any more defense than that, you disgusting piece of shit.
Neither am I, but as you clearly couldn't pass the MEPS physical and they did and completed Basic, you don't get to make that sneering judgemental bullshit.

>>34199128
>they've still done harder things than you have ever tried
What, choosing donuts versus cheesecake? Oh those poor darlings.

Get back to me when they run a 5k.

>>34199139
>you clearly couldn't pass the MEPS
I have limited lung function due to pleuropulmonary blastoma and they decided I was unfit. I was scared to lie when they asked the magic question, and when I revealed my previous condition it was a done deal. I couldn't even get a waiver, there was other 18-year-olds to choose from.

>you don't get to make that sneering judgemental bullshit
Oh, yes I do.

They might have completed basic but I've maintained my physical fitness despite my disability, I'll never be an olympic athlete but I at least have enough self-control and willpower to not be a fucking disgusting pig.

I pay for their fatness with my tax dollars. Our military is a joke as long as they exist and apologists like you keep making excuses for them. You might not be fat, but you're a fat sympathizer which is just as bad.

>>34199209
>Get back to me when they run a 5k.
They do.
Probably often at PT.
They've done 12+ mile rucks their entire career.

They're probably faster and stronger than you by a longshot, despite being potbellied NCOs.

>>34199090
>I was referring to physical fitness, I've been around the country and it is not hard to find disgusting people waddling around in uniform. Many are women, I question why my tax dollars pay for this. Isn't there minimum standards? Why aren't they applied to these walruses?
You realize how hard even non combat MOS is on your body? Before I joined up I worked pretty hard to get in shape and I didn't get it either when other people would struggle with PT. Besides if you suck at PT you're not really going to have a good time in the Army they lose out on benefits and other perks, you're less likely to get in on more training and career stuff, you do extra PT, they do restrict your diet and stuff. If you see a guy in bad shape he's probably getting ready to get out of the Army. Obviously they passed it at one time, might of picked up an injury or two, having some problems that arn't army related and got out of shape, all sorts of stuff. People can and do change it can happen really fast and really drastically. Imagine you found a wife that was a pretty unique person to you, you fell in love with them, then one day you hear they died in a car accident or something. You know you're never going to find another person like them, it fundamentally alters your life, people change. Maybe they just decided they don't like the Army, they get out of shape, Army can drag out letting you out. Talk to anyone that's gone through the Army they have a story about that one guy who wants out and he's been stuck there forever.

>>34199245
>healthy at every size bullshit
Typical.

http://www.military.com/military-fitness/weight-loss/troops-too-fat-to-fight
http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/penny-starr/dod-us-military-troops-are-fat-and-getting-fatter

Fat apologists can make excuses, but the leadership agrees with me. Trim down, tubbies.

>>34199252
I highly, highly, highly doubt that all of these landwhales hate their life in the military and are trying to escape.

You have just underlined another problem. They signed a contract so while they're in they don't get to just get fat and be a weak link. I HATE slackers and lazy people, that's not a good excuse at all.

>>34195983
>Am I the only one who can see that was clearly a botched sf insertion, since they got caught while they were still in the water they just played dumb.

Yes. It's just you.

It was a stupid fucking patrol with a stupid fucking navigator.

>>34199298
>I highly, highly, highly doubt that all of these landwhales hate their life in the military and are trying to escape.
You wanna know how I know you've never been in the military?

>>34199252
>>34199298
I was fucking Signal Corps, and we were in better shape than most other support jobs because we were constantly moving 200-800 pound equipment cases around that had to be shifted by hand, carried up stairs, carefully placed on top of connexes, lifted and stacked overhead.

> I HATE slackers and lazy people, that's not a good excuse at all.
You're a fucking asshole who doesn't know what it takes. Are you saying the old, fat guy is a bad soldier? Because one I knew was an 18D who was literally exploded out of a HMMWV in Iraq and was still a damn good medic who could help out in the greater scheme. You've never been in, you don't fucking know.

>>34199325
I might as well explain it a bit more. But yeah a lot of people want out do stuff that is grounds for termination of their contract. Generally it doesn't make them a weak link though because the leadership will totally make it their personally goal to make sure they're working. It makes them look bad otherwise, and if they're getting shit on from above, shit rolls down hill.

>>34196290
Unless you are an Iran Hawk that has been arguing for the US to go to war with them for the last 20 years or so

>>34199351
And if the only thing they have on you is PT or your tape, if you're good at your MOS and especially if you're tactically proficient, if you want to be there they'll put you in the sucky programs but keep you on.

>>34196363
THEYHITAFUCKINGMINE

REEEEEEEE

>>34195931
Sadly true, the people crying over it for proof

>>34195956
t. Leroy Gutierez

>>34199325
The fact that I already said I was rejected for having tumors cut out of my lungs when I was a kid?

>>34199346
>You're a fucking asshole who doesn't know what it takes.
You know what, maybe I am an asshole. I don't know what it takes but I do know that if most people can still stay in shape then clearly it is doable. It's a thing people can accomplish.

>Are you saying the old, fat guy is a bad soldier?
If he can't keep up with the young and fit ones? Yes. Yes, I am. Minimum standards are there for a reason. Your medic's exception does not disprove the fact that most fat people? They're useless. Huffing and puffing to do the same stuff my cancer-riddled body does easily. I'm not using my lungs as an excuse why I can't do something, I try and try to make sure nobody says I'm too sick or too hurt or too whatever to do anything. Maybe I am a liability in the military because I have to go in every couple of months for more screenings, I've already had one tumor they caught early on when I was in high school which influenced the decision to reject me. Fine. I accept that. Sometimes I need to be told no by other people, but I'm not hogging down on ice cream and blubbering about poor me.

I don't live in a world of "I can't" so don't fucking tell me how hard it is. Find a way. I do not accept excuses for laziness from anyone.

>>34199351
Well evidently that's become an issue for the people in the Pentagon, because they're openly admitting they have a problem. So maybe this is a good thing?

>>34199434
>I couldn't get in, and have decided to denigrate those who could because I'm jealous

You don't know what their circumstances are. Some of those "fat" guys outrun the kids. They may be on meds that clusterfucked their metabolism while also on a profile restricted to breathing and 5 minutes of standing. YOU. DON'T. FUCKING. KNOW.

Fucking judgemental prick. They've wrecked their bodies in service to the US, and here you come without any context of why they might look like that and shit your stupid opinion all over the internet.

>>34199434
>Well evidently that's become an issue for the people in the Pentagon, because they're openly admitting they have a problem. So maybe this is a good thing?
I don't know. I mean when I say they make it a personal goal, they make it a personal goal as a professional to direct some of their extra time as a leader trying to make you better. In general that's probably not going to be considered a whole lot of fun for that person.

>>34195927
>>34195958
>>34196487
>>34195958

I don't even know why we bother bringing it up. We have Vimmy Ridge and the Second Battle of Ypres as our proudest and most defining military achivments as a country...heck WWI MADE US who we are today.

People only care about 1812 since they get to lol and 'muricans. It's actually really silly.

>>34195897
Probably Pearl Harbor.
Complete failure of military intelligence, misreading of the political situation, drastic underestimation of Japan's capability, ships and aircraft arranged clustered and without adequate protection.

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>>34199514

Just a coincidence that the ships most instrumental to the pacific theater were all fucking off elsewhere though.

Yup, pure coincidence.

>>34199434
You sound really bitter. Military life isn't always what people think it will be, if you don't experience it you see the action movies and get an impression. In real life, people are people. You go through things, you have experiences, sometimes your work load gets pretty heavy and you might feel like you're in a real soup sandwhich when it comes to PT so you're working even harder when you're already working hard, a lot of people just decide well I can make more money and live a lot easier as a civilian.
I changed a lot after my time in the military, I always tried to do the right thing but like when you're moody and want to snap at someone I try even harder not to do that because it just makes the army look bad. Everybody loses their cool and goes off on people over something like you on people you don't think are meeting the standard. If you had got in there would be a time where you didn't meet the minimum standard and made some mistakes somewhere.

>>34199477
>YOU. DON'T. FUCKING. KNOW.
You're fit, aren't you? If you can do it why can't they?

Stop making excuses. The entire country is full of fat fucking pigs and it's disgusting and embarrassing. What, is every gigantic sow puttering along at Wal-Mart restricted to doing nothing? No, they're fat because they eat too much.

If I'm a "judgemental prick" for gagging every time I see a jiggling mass lumbering by then so be it. I've been called a shitlord before, I wear the title proudly.

>>34199479
>I mean when I say they make it a personal goal, they make it a personal goal as a professional to direct some of their extra time as a leader trying to make you better.
You know what? That's great. That is actually really great and shows that leadership skills are valued by the military. I realize that for some people it's hard to stay on task at first because your body hates losing that precious lard and it's painful, it isn't fun, but having support does help. I don't mind supporting people trying to better themselves, I've been that support a few times too.

I just don't think that this is what's happening across the board. I really don't. I'm sorry! I think fatties join, have to trim down to the bare minimum, and then once they're through the gate of basic/boot they balloon out again. It's a mindset that goes beyond the military, but people's lives are literally on the line in this profession. Wouldn't you agree? I think we can agree on that, you and I, that the minimum standards need to be kept.

>>34199587
>You know what? That's great.
No. I don't agree people just let themselves go. The only time they do that is when they are going to get out. I never met anyone that wanted to be a soldier and not do the stuff, if they don't want to do it, they generally don't want to be a soldier anymore.
As for lives being on the line, a lot of the time it's over blown. I can't even tell you some training situations I been in where if it were live fire not a fake situation I'd of been very fucking angry at myself thinking about it later. You don't know what you're going to do until you're doing something.

>>34199551
>You sound really bitter.
I'm not, I like who I am. (minus any tumors that are budding at the time of this writing) I stay in shape because I'm already kind of ruined, and because I like being fit. This has put a mindset in me because I know I'm on a clock, you'll live to 80-something while I'll probably be dead in my next decade of life. I don't let things hold me back and I don't tolerate people who make excuses because I just don't have the time.

Yes this might make me seem like a real asshole, I think I just have a high standard and a strict sense of responsibility. If people think that's bad then fine, they can think that all they want, but I'm not going to apologize for it.

>>34199668
>You don't know what you're going to do until you're doing something.
True enough, but I don't think minimum fitness standards are something we should just let slide. I want to be clear that I'm not demanding perfection, that is unrealistic and unfair because I'm not capable of delivering it myself. I am NOT perfect. What I am looking for is everyone meets a minimum at all times, and this minimum clearly is not difficult for most people to maintain. Even if they're getting out or they want to give up, they still signed a contract and still have a job to do which includes these minimum standards.

>>34196487
Canada didn't even exist until 1867. Claiming that Canada destroyed the White House is like claiming that Nazi Germany sacked Rome or that the Japanese defeated the Soviet Union at Tsushima.

>>34195897

THE KOREAN WAR

>>34197523
I always knew the white wizard was pulling the strings

>>34198448
Very underrated comment! Americans forget how many terrible blunders happened in the italian campaign! The anzio landing were a botch job too

>>34198023
>navy and air force don't have a lot of small arms training
Fascinating.
>
Most actually had more training in diversity, inclusion, and learning not to make fun of any LGBTQ "servicepeople" than they did on how to be an effective fighting force.
In basic? Now you're just lying.
>The Army wasn't much better; my nephew said he learned more about an AR-15 after the first few range sessions we had than the instructors seemed to know about the platform at all.
He learned how to field strip, clean, diagnose and correct malfunctions, zero, and shoot it. There's no need to waste time on teaching the history of the rifle or variants.
>The Marine cousin mentioned that he never learned anything more about weaponry or tactics than he had already read in the hand-me-down Army manual he read before boot,
So you're saying if you read the manual for the training you're getting then you won't learn anything new when you get there? Fuck man. That's deep.

>>34195897
Ummm how about the Phillipines and dugout Doug McArthur

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I'm constantly dumbfounded everytime I read something about the Battle of Hurtgen forest. What in the fuck were they thinking? Especially when they had knowledge of who was leading the defense - only the single most talented defense in depth commanders the Germans had and was called "Hitler's Fireman" for a reason.

Not faulting the American soldier by any means, but rather the gall of American Command to put their boys through what veterans called "Passchendaele with Tree Bursts"

>>34196290
>innocent passage does not exist

Pleb

>>34196895
>155 vs 1400

Would hardly call that embarrassing

>sailors are pussies
No shit OP

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Can any Murcan tell me, dumb europoor, what the fuck happened in 'Nam.
No offense, but how could US got buttfucked so hard by barely existing country like Vietnam?
I know that they've lost more people and shit, but it should've been a walk in the park for you guys.

Again, i'm not trying to rustle anybodys jimmies, just curious.

>>34201735
What we did in Bosnia, Afghanistan, and Iraq is what we learned from Vietnam. We just kept adding forces and let them build up theirs. That dragged the war for a long time.

You can't go into a country slow, you gotta fuck her right in the pussy.

>>34201735
>how
Because there was next to zero public support for it.

>>34201735
we made the mistake of not fully committing to genocide and we paid the price

not implying i support genocide but VC and civilians looked awfully similar

also hippies

>>34201735
>No offense, but how could US got buttfucked so hard by barely existing country like Vietnam?
Technically, we didn't. The North was basically fucked and unable to fight when the Tet Offensive happened as a last-ditch impotent failure, which lead to the peace treaty we honored two years later by pulling out what little we had left when the North decided to invade again.

>>34201735
TL;DR

LBJ and most of his cabinet committed the US to an unwinnable conflict because "we can't afford to back out on an ally"

It's the arrogance of power.

>>34202009
>Technically, we didn't. The North was basically fucked and unable to fight when the Tet Offensive happened

The VC wasn't all the North had though.

The VC got fucked, which is why the NVA began to take over.

By 1973, it was a conventional war.

This still meant that even after 58,000 dead, the US still had to fight Korea 2.0 against the NVA if they wanted South Vietnam to survive the 70s.

The US public, understandably, refused to do this.

>>34198023
>navy kids learned to disassemble a rifle
>in basic training
No, they didn't.
You know the vast majority of sailors don't even touch a gun after basic training right?

>>34201735

COIN is not fun and not easy and ultimately you have to be a mean son of a bitch and find some mean son of a bitch in house to be your proxy, prop em up and get out of town. Reason why Chechnya is acceptable for the Russians right now.

The one stellar COIN operation that comes to people's minds is Malaya and that was basically bitch-tier-babby mode because you had a specific ethnic minority (Chicom) in a land whose majority detested them and said minority were the most inept bunch of losers imaginable.

Person who can come up with an easy way to win against insurgencies or asymmetrical fighters (since post tet the VC ceased to exist they were just NVA regulars fighting as gorillas throwing banana peels and barrels at Americans) will win the nobel peace prize of war. And no 'killing as many as you can' or just being brutal and ruthless isn't the solution considering the Krauts tried that shit in the Steppe and Yugoslavia and faced far worse insurgencies as a result.

Also insurgency/asymmetrical is still war and war is clausewitz' politics by other means. Non-Commie Viets and us lost the political war in vietnam and then >>34202009 >>34202047

I hate people that try and mealy mouth excuse us losing in vietnam - We left and within 5 years our ally fell. That means we lost. By the logic of "America didn't lose in Vietnam the South Viet did", the Soviets didn't lose in Afghanistan Najimullah did. Yet that being said no Europoor coulda won vietnam either. Britain just got a bunch of softball insurgencies where they were sending SAS or royal forces to back up their Omani/Emirati ally or at most a lil' long scrimmage like Malaya.

>>34202136
Did you even read my post?

>>34195931
Shouldn't you be shitposting on /tv/?

>>34201735
We went in to the protect the ally(puppet) of an ally we didn't even like, all the while conscripting average joe americans to go fight and potentially die a horrific death in a war over a country whose strategic value could be summed up as "well if they go commie, everyone else might too." And we spent 10 years doing it.

And of course, keep in mind they were lukewarm commies before it all began. There's a decent chance we could of just backstabbed the French and got them on our side from the start. But hindsight is 20/20.

>>34201735
One, the USSR and China poured A LOT of resources into Vietnam, and was only able to win after Demoshits defunded The ARVN and RVMC, the latter of which rekt NVA so hard they stopped taking prisoners.
>muh Mai Lai
Which WAS bad, but was only ONCE. The NVA made it POLICY to kill any "counter revolutionaries". Where was the outrage? If the US wanted to win Veitnam, we would be purging all media and collages, Walter Conman would be found suck starting a .38

>>34199792
Canada was established in 1791, confederation of the union was in 1867. The battles were fought by Canadians.
>durrr, it was just british rebelling against british, americans didn't fight in the american revolutionary war

My great great grandfather killed loads of butthurt americans in the fenian raids, don't make shit up and think nobody will call you out.

>>34195931

This is ausfag-tier bait.

Don't you have a Kanga to hunt with your Boomerang, m8?

>>34201735
Vietnam isn't what anyone thought it was. Misconceptions abound. >>34202136 makes a good point regarding COIN (COunter INsurgency operations).

Much of what I know about the war comes from Max Boot's "The Savage Wars of Peace: Small Wars and the Rise of American Power"
Vietnam was in essence a colonial war. But the Army wanted to fight it like WWII and Korea. They wanted to come to grips with the enemy and defeat them in the interior highlands, long before they could reach the main population centers on the coast. A few of the Marines wanted to fight it the way they had in previous occupations like in Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, etc. But the Marines failed to argue their position well enough. They wanted what they called an "expanding inkblot strategy", basically just defending the population centers on the coast, sticking to the South Vietnamese like glue to protect them from reprisals. Counter Insurgencies aren't won by killing the enemy so much as they are won by making sure your collaborators and informants aren't killed in their sleep. The problem is that it's police work, and men will die through attrition. The benefit is that you can protect civilians, and create the trust within the occupied country necessary to train a native constabulary. That constabulary then forms the basis for a stable police state.

The Marines plan was rejected because the estimates of lives lost and time spent were too steep. In hindsight, the Army plan lost a similar amount of men over a similar timeframe.

There were also way too many restrictions. The US couldn't invade North Vietnam. Haiphong Harbor was not mined from the beginning, so Chinese and Russian cargo vessels freely dumped supplies. In stark contrast to the Korean War, very little ordinance was dropped on Hanoi itself and the irrigation works on the Red River were left intact. The vast majority of US bombs fell on the jungle highland of South Vietnam. The Vietnamese simply dug into the earth.

>>34198690
show that picture to drumpf and his orange dumbass will probably thinks its real and start a war over it.

>>34204202
>oh shit he called him drumpf
>he can't do that, can he?

>>34196290

Trump created jobs and killed terrorists at the same time. Obama would literally give weapons, for free, to the terrorists. Suck my dick lieberal.

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>>34195897

2001-present

>>34204181
The single point of failure was that the US did not invade North Vietnam.

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>>34198823
>Only way that could have been worse is if the Mayaguez had been rigged to blow when the US destroyer hove to next to it.

That would've been fucking awesome if the Gooks had done that.

Could you imagine the footage? Making my dick hard just thinking about it.

>>34203558
As a Fellow Leaf, I should point out that Issac Brock didn't exactly trust Canadians with firearms for long time. Can't exactly blame him for that considering first generation canucks were half insane, full blown alcoholic fur trappers.

That said, when they sobered up they did their part.

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>>34195897
>1776
Embarrassing you let the French do everything for you and you still almost lost
>1812
Tried to take over Canada and you got so BTFO we burned down your stupid white house and youre still crying.
>Civil War
Best war desu, only Americans died
>WW1
You did nothing
>WW2
You did less than nothing and claim it was everything.
>Korea
somehow managed to lose against yellow people half your size
>Vietnam
somehow managed to lose against yellow people half your size again AND who weren't even conventional
>Iraq + Afghanistan
See Vietnam just with inbred brown people.

Its far easier to state what moment WASNT embarrassing for the US.

>>34204246
Trump just sold $350 billion worth of weapons to the biggest terror-state in existence.

>>34195931
nice bait, minorities are usually in non combat roles and the ones who are have been weaponized as fuck and assimilated to the point that they're a caricature

Try again

>>34204693
Your first argument contradicts everything post WWII.

>>34195910
was burning the white house such a big deal back then?

>>34195897

Its creation.

>>34204267
>Implying there weren't worse guys than that before 2001
>Out of context images totallaly prove my point guize!

>>34195897
Those were tears of shame. For being captured by the same people who couldn't even beat saddam.

>>34204693
Oh how the syrup drinkers forget.

You Canucks and the British with you native allies tried to invade the US as well. You lost the battle at Meigs and then on Lake Erie.

Of course now we would willing give you Detroit, but who would want any part of Michigan?

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>>34195931
This

>>34204693
>The lies according to haters

>>34205465
"Quick fellers, this here kraut wants to surrender!"

"Somebody go find a negra!"

>>34195910
could you please come do it again? asking for a friend

>>34195931
niggers shoot others in the back

>>34196745

A legitimate accident, I swear, our greatest ally just made a mistake.

>>34203558
It was a province, not an autonomous political entity.

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>>34195931
My uncle is a Vietnam Marine Corp M60 Gunner vet
>He's also a Mexican
Drinks beer all day to keep away the PTSD like ALL DAY
He just got back from a trip to Vietnam to see if he could come to terms with his issues
Travels to Hue city where he saw the most drawn out combat
Has a full on breakdown
>Derp only the white man gets PTSD

>>34199030
The Air Force isn't much better. I work on a base and the quality of personnel I see walking around is shameful. You've essentially got the Snowden lookalikes, the chicks just trying to get pregnant, and niggers.

>>34201076
What about it?

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>>34195897
>this entire fucking thread

>>34206196
>OnnaAFB right now actually and I can also confirm this
>t. Guy currently in a AFB

>>34204701
110 billion actually, and how will that affect anything. Will ISIS some how learn to drive M1s and fly F-15s? Will they some how stop being routed by the SA? No? Then who cares, we sold weapons to them under Obama, and now we sold a fuck to the Saudis who are more dependent on America than ever. Seems like a good deal to me. The Political Islam of Quatar, and the Muslim brotherhood has always been the real problem. The House of Saud allows us to control Islamic politics to an extent, evidenced by the House's support of the secularist Kalifa Haftar in Lybia. In fact the Saudi government is down right hostile to political Islamic movements.

>>34204693
Your first argument basically fucks up the rest of your points from the get go.

>>34204701
>>34207327
Technically is was more of a "hey would'ja be interested?" thing. He can't actually do that without congress approving.

>>34202110
>what is guard duty

>>34196303
Might have been a paper bag if she looks like half the girls in the corps I've met.