Gear Queer General /gq/

VCAS and padded VCAS

At some level they all do the same shit but I find VCAS the simplest and most durable.

VTAC has too much going on
Ferro sling seems kind of flimsy
WOTG I hate the stupid paracord attachments

Single point is shit
3 point is shit

As such, VCAS reigns as best adjustable 2 point for simplicity and durability

I also am a Blue Force Gear fanboy in general though

I'm finally has pc, and shits fairly hot

Should I go for the crye G3 shirt or the arcteryx assault shirt

Crye is cheaper but I'm autistic about zippers getting jammed or feeling the zipper pressed on by the plate, but out of the little info there is on arcteryx it seems like it's thicker and hotter but has some neat mesh for the pits

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Bulldog Tactical ISTC

>>34174115
This. Padded VCAS or bye.

I usually don't into slings but I'm going on a /k/ hike in a few weeks

Is it preferable to have the rear of the sling attached on the stock itself or mounted to an end plate loop?

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is the us army sleeping system a good setup? I need a good setup that can work down to 0 degrees f for under $250

>>34174083
Is the guy in the middle fat?

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>>34174083
Ferro Concepts slingster
BFG Vickers

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>>34174083
Magpul MS3

>>34175090
Up to you bruh as long as you can comforrably retain the weapon.

Just no 1 points or 3 points

>>34174136
I'm assuming you're civvie since you're finally into pc
Unless you have your eye set on a combat shirt, I'd probably just go with a hanes shirt or lightweight dress shirt you don't need to dress tier 1 to have fun with your friends.

but to answer your question cryes, IMHO the dead bird combats just look too neo-fashion to me
dead bird makes fantastic stuff for colder wetter climates don't get me wrong, but combats are just nyco and moisture wicking shirt in general with a few caveats

>>34175268
unless they upgraded them when I had my back turned
The sleep system was heavy bulky garbage compared to the stuff on the civvie market.
the only thing worth a damn was the Goretex bivvy and you can buy those for a steal off flea bay without the extra shit sandwhich

What do you guys suggest for boots?
I'm looking for a mid-weight pair suitable for hiking/climbing.

>>34176410
Salomon gtx hands down

>>34176410
go to a gucci outdoor clothing shop and ask them and get fitted.
chances are they're more qualified than your normal /k/ommando blindly recommending Salomon 4d quests or milsurp for ever qualm

>>34176441
Probably the best option. I just have experience with Salomon.

>>34176347
Why would you tell someone to wear cotton under a pc? Wtf is wrong with you?

>>34174136
Buy both. Sell whichever one you dislike.

>>34176454
as do I, I went through 2 pair of them, a pair of Low Renegades, Asolo Fugitives, a few danners , and a lot of Keens and Merrell

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>>34174083
what do y'all generally like better, single or two-point slings?

Also what QD setup is best?

what should i get for $300 guys?
can be anything from clothes to gear etc (not crye) was looking at kitanica but fuck that

>>34176480
Two point

Front of hand guard middle of stock is comfy

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>>34176465
Oh know, I did, how could I be so blind!? I should have my memeperator badge revoked and ceremoniously shot in the back of the head and be left in a ditch somewhere.

in all seriousness
overall larping, range days, You are not going to move enough long enough and keep your armor on all day even build up a build up a nasty rash

>muh cotton kills
dress for the fair

>>34176480
2 point
QD just adds weight, once I have it fixed in a position it is not moving.

>>34176480
Single Point slings are a meme for people who have never had to move over distance with their rifles. LEOs and basement dwellers.

>>34176480
two-point for the win, get one with a quick adjust for the length too.

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>>34176480
Two point. If you're worried about saving weight, don't go with QD. I tend to believe that QD is fucking awesome since I have a number of slings and ARs. Constantly taking a sling off for cleaning or switching is annoying as fuck. A lightweight QD setup is offered by Way of the Gun. It fits the Proctor Sling. You will have to buy it separately because the sling comes with shit as fuck 550 cord attachments.

>>34176548
What do you already have?

>>34175479
Actual question what is so bad with one point slings I am a hunter and im newer to being tactically literate.

>>34176754
Did you catch wind of what happened on Pearl Street yesterday?

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Frank Proctor Way of The Gun sling

pretty mustard lace

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Magpul ms3
I like being able to qd from a two point to a one point at the back plate of the lower

>>34176805
Nope, I've been hiking a ton. What happened?

>>34176754
plate carrier, rigs, uniforms etc just want something gucci

>>34176874
Antifa faggots threw a bunch of firecrackers at redneck trolls. A couple got arrested.

>>34176821
>Airsoft LVOA rail
>any gear credibility ever

no

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>>34176894
I swear, living here is simultaneously awesome and terrible.

>>34174083
haley strategic D3

>>34176611
>>34176714
Okay one thing I don't get, how does QD add weight? Are those little studs really that heavy?

Also, any recommendations on a quick-adjust sling? I see people recommending padded VCAS in this thread, would that fit the bill?

>>34176951
>Are those little studs really that heavy?
Nope, but ounces make pounds and /GQ/ is extraordinarily autistic.

>>34176894
Antifa got arrested?

>>34176885
So you just want something to meme with basically?

What kinda plates do you have? How are you with lights? Quality holster? IFAK done?

>>34176996
pretty much, i have fort plates and have all my gear sorted.
was looking at a kitanica jacket

>>34176996
>Antifa got arrested?
A few people from both sides I think. Fun to watch while bar hopping.

>>34176900
>getting mad that my $100 rail has survivied and done very well over 2000 rounds

>>34176613
So whats bad about them?

>>34177208
while the rifle is in your hands they don't carry any weight whatsoever. So if you want to be able to ruck a long ways with rifle in hand it's not happening.

doesn't secure the rifle well if you have to go hands free to climb over something

no way to cinch it down and stabilize for a kneeling shot

>>34177208
They don't distribute the weight of your rifle across your body. If you have to do ANYTHING with two hands, giving medical aid, detaining someone, hanging a steel target, loading magazines, or opening a can of soda, the rifle goes from zero to pain in the fucking ass in half a second. Obviously the rifle just bashes into your legs while running and the it's far more likely to end up in the dirt or smashing into rocks and trees. After a half hour of patrolling with a single point you develop a very distinct kink in the backside of your neck. After three hours, you'll want to kill yourself.

Single points; for SWAT teams and transition drills only.

>>34176951
ounces = pounds = pain
anything I can do to eliminate extra weight off my kit the better.

trust me when you start building/adding shit to your rifle and stop caring about the ounces, it builds up to be a death by one thousand cuts sorta deal
as long as you don't let it get out of hand QD are fine, but to me, they're just pointless.

also, check out Ferro Concepts slingster those things are pretty nice too.

>>34177302
Not the one who asked but you answered my question thanks.

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>tfw all your ordered gear has shipped

Any good ar mag pouches with pistol mag pouches stacked on them? Currently looking at condor...

>>34178479
>condor

Noticing wear on my triple stack mag pouch and I haven't even used it that much. Don't cheap out, especially on load bearing gear.

>>34178658
I can't find anyone else offering the ar pistol mag stack configuration

>>34178700
Taco pouches

>>34175268
It's bulky but it will do what you want.

>>34178479
https://www.awsin.com/proddetail.asp?prod=52088

>>34178700
You're kidding right?
Single AR with single pistol on top?

What's a good molle mag pouch for 7.62x39 30rd ak mags

>>34179061
>W.A.S.
http://www.gearzonetactical.com/Warrior-Assault-Systems-Single-MOLLE-Open-AK-762mm_p_7765.html

>>34178479
>>34178700

On one hand. Your either trolling, or just the laziest person ive ever met. Either way, Ill help you just this once. Don't come back for more.

Esstac
High Speed Gear Taco
First Spear

These are a few better brands that all offer what your looking for. If your worried about the price, you probably can't afford to outfit a proper plate carrier for that matter, and go just ahead and buy your nearest chicom.

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Belt kits > anything else

Could anyone recommend a good pair of kneepads and backpack?

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>>34179906

>>34179935
I'll clarify. Can anyone recommend a good pair of adult sized knee pads in neutral colors?

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I wish Nebo was a bit more durable.
This little guy is actually pretty sweet.

>>34179971
just keep a pillow in your purse fag

>>34179906
>>34179971

>kneepads

arc'teryx

>backpack


GoRuck

>>34179978
Enjoy the knee surgery faggot.

>>34180038
Thanks

>>34179906
What's your budget for each and what do you want to use the pack for. This is basic shit desu senpai, know how to ask a question properly. The better your question the more likely you are to receive a decent answer.

>>34176810
I like that strap but I'm not sure because it's thin webbing looks uncomfortable after a long period of being slug. How do you like it?

>>34180077
Slung*

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Most updated picture again

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Does anyone have any input or opinion on this London Bridge sling? It's the only padded m81 sling I can find, which I think is kind of cool.

>>34180051
I figured you guys would just recommend a brand name and I'd go from there, but whatever. I already have a bugout pack, so I suppose this would be my combat pack, lightweight for short expeditions(2-4 days) running around shooting people and taking their shit. Budget wise I'd say 50-100$ for the pack and 50$ for the pads, milsurp is fine too.

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>>34174083

Are smocks the ultimate redpill in deployment gear?

>Windproof or waterproof, no need for parka
>Infinite pockets, so no need for mag pouches on molle vests or lbvs
>can wear armor underneath so no one knows you have it.
>pockets are fuckhuge. Carry gear or easily conceal a full size pistol
>doesn't stand out like mollle does. Pair with a travellers backpack and be ultimate greyman

Defend yourselves, GQs.

>>34180113
LBX is airsoft.

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>>34180339

Behold the glorious ass pocket of tactics!

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>>34180339
And how exactly am I supposed to fit that over this shit?

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hey guys hopped over from the NOD thread, the FAST mounting system is the standard plate thing on the front of the helmets right?

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>>34180364

And this one just because I think it makes Bob look great.

SO STYLISH

>>34180109
Are those head phones on the arc rails on an ACH?

>>34180369

>remove mags and shit. Leave plates.
>Put on smock
>put mags in pockets.
>If pressed for speedy speediness, do what some do and sew mag pouches into the chest pockets for snug fit so you can leave the pockets open.

SAS has been using smocks overtop plate carriers since there have been plate carriers. It's kind of their thing, and why it's called an SAS smock.

>>34180339
>combining load bearing and weather layering

no

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>>34180369
What pack is that on the back? I'd like to set up hydration on my JPC

>>34180405

The most elite fighting force in the world disagrees with you.

>SAS forever

>>34180380

I don't know about the tactical applications, but if I was ever homeless that looks pretty fucking great.

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>>34180380
>>34180364
>>34180339
Look, smocks are...fine. They can certainly be good in many environments, but an encumbrance in others. I'd rather be wearing a combat shirt under my body armor if the temperature is above 65 degrees Fahrenheit.

>>34180418
What do they do when the waether's too hot for the smock that they've stuffed all their ammo in?

>>34180441

Kinda the same if it were warfighting.

Now SHTF, yeah, smocks are pretty fucking rad. If you're innawoods for extended periods of time without shelter, they're great.

Good gear, but not GQ gear.

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>>34180418
smockless

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>>34180472
>Smockfag BTFO

>>34180414
No kneepads?

>>34180469
Not really, you need a real waterproof jacket. At least where I live.

>>34180491

The good ones are.

Arktis in particular makes some awesome shit.

>>34180393
There's nothing on the rails, and it's a full-cut ach, so arc-rail mounted comms wouldnt work.

>>34180490
Much more important things to sort out first

>>34180508
>Rail mounted coms wouldn't work
That's what I thought was the case but it looks like there is ear pro peeking out from the ACH. Darn, I just got mine and was hoping there was a way so I didn't have to fuck around with a headband under my helmet.

>>34180472
Still can't believe they wasted the SAS's time on a couple of knife-wielding punks.
Are British cops the most useless law enforcement in the world?

>>34180543
My peltors are in my trunk and I'm too lazy to go get them to take a picture right now, but there is an alternative headband thing that doesn't go over the top of your head, but is made up of a wire that wraps around back and pinches the ear cups against your head. I'm pretty sure it's designed to be used with an ach.

>>34179906
>>34180038

>goruck

>paying for overpriced gear catering to people that own brodozers and want to be """"greymen""""

better off getting an LBT slick front backpack when they're on sale, Mystery Ranch makes a ton of nice ones, Kelty is basic bitch but it works. That's just a few. Agree with kneepads though.

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>>34180575
>>34180543
Never mind, I mustered the motivation.

>>34180502
Now I'm gay for Arktis but there are much better options for layering out there.

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>>34180616
Works fine. Wire sits between pads. It's just a bitch to get them both on together.

>>34180364

Was considering one as an everyday coat until asspocket showed up.

How much of a sperg would I look like with that?

Otherwise seems like a good fall/mild-winter coat

>>34180545
You know, I never thought of it that way. It's not like they deploy CAG when someone in the US goes postal.

>>34180339
rain gear, even goretex, usually fucking sucks. There's no real do it all fabric that's waterproof, ripstop, light, and breathable.

>>34180624

I dunno. The actually waterproof ones are good all-in-one parkas, and the two-layer ones are a shit ton better than fucking Gore-tex and it's noisy ass fabric.

I use my waterproof b300-something (forget the actual model number) for bow hunting, and it's a great stalking coat. And it gets rained on HARD.

>>34180400
The term "SAS Smock" pre-dates equipment being carried on body armour, and certainly pre-dates general issue of body armour in general. They are from an era of belt kit and chest rigs.

Having said that, when worn with belt kit or under a plate carrier in more temperate climes there are few items of kit that can beat it for practicality.

For the British climate, they are absolutely perfect.

>>34180670
I'm actually wondering if the London police even have their own EOD/bomb squad, and/or it is is competent. The British military being called in may have had a lot more to do with needing those guys than needing doorkickers. But if you're going to call military special operator EOD, you may as well ask for the doorkickers too.

Also, the US has laws explicitly limiting how the military can be used for police work. Calling federal military doorkickers requires a lot of hoops. I don't know UK laws, but they are probably more lax.

>>34180720
>Gore-tex and it's noisy ass fabric
Valid point anon. It would be pretty neato for hunting.

>>34180720
>I use my waterproof b300-something (forget the actual model number) for bow hunting, and it's a great stalking coat. And it gets rained on HARD.

I'm quietly saving my shekels for one in MTP for myself...I'm so excited...

>>34180692
>>34180339
>>34180364
>>34180380
best to go with highly water resistant, flexible, durable, good pockets, and throw on a waterproof shell if it starts coming down.

I run this since it looks very casual but highly functional as well:
http://www.eddiebauer.com/product/men-39-s-atlas-stretch-hooded-jacket/10112126/_/A-ebSku_0010049130000070__10112126_catalog10002_en__US_EBSite
super light, /fa/, and comfy because of flex

>>34180545
Yeah pretty much. British in general are pretty useless and cuck'd.

>>34180728
>can't own a butter knife without getting it registered
>more lax
Kek

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>>34180393
>>34180543
Yeah there's no way to do coms on a full cut, but I have the arc rails for when I decide to get an MPLS Charge. However I use the same Peltors as >>34180616 but I use the version with the normal headband. It's actually fairly comfortable.

>>34180819
More lax in terms of military forces being allowed to be used in a police role. The US has legal hurdles for that to happen with troops under federal control.

Reading comprehension, my dude.

>>34180616
>>34180648
>>34180829
Thanks. Much appreciated

>>34180662

You'd look kinda spergy, but it's a good heavy coat. If you reaaaaaally need 14 pockets including the butt one, then go for it and fuck the haters.

If you're okay with like...10 pockets (four on the front, two zippered chest pockets, and two sleeve pockets) they have a waterproof one with no ass storage.

Have the 14 pocket personally, and it's pretty great. Take it to football games, stuff a blanket in the ass, and never have to worry about sitting on the hard ground or cold steel bleachers again.

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can you kommandos identify what this guy has on his ar handguard? is that just a supressor cover?

source video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNn9t-18XrQ

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>>34180339
I already own a few.
I wouldn't advise you getting the arktis smocks with the built in rain slick much rather layer it under my smock.

I own the B110 and layer for the weather myselt.

>>34180940
It honestly looks like a plate carrier shoulder strap.

https://www.skdtac.com/Eagle-AIII-Pack-Shoulder-Strap-Pad-p/eag.102.htm

>>34180951

Thinking the B221 personally as a field/hobo coat.

Anything about the 110 that made you choose that specifically?

>>34180940
>micro red dot + magnifier
>unnecessarily long and heavy rail
>short barrel

yep it's garbage

>>34180984
minimalist simple and I didn't like all the extra pocket.

>>34181024
unrelated to the image, but if you were building a 14.5" pinned barrel upper, what length rail would you put on it?
10? 12?

>>34181097
9-12", depending on how ouncefaggy I was feeling at the time

>>34181130
barrel will weigh like a pound. A guntec 12" mlok rail is like 9oz.

might do a lightweight BCG and adjustable gas block, not for ouncefagging but to try and reduce recoil impulse from such a light rifle.

I'm buying a LPK with that MFT minimalist stock but if I don't like it, I've got an M4 style stock that has QD sling mount built in.

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>>34180339
>>34180369
>>34180380
>>34180441
>>34180482
Smocks are ultra level comfy when you're not trying to operate. They're more meant for load bearing rigs and webbing than a dedicated PC, unless you're wearing something low profile under the smock, and a chest rig over it. And even then, I'd still want to wear something not as bulky as a smock.

I personally use a smock for my go to inawoods trips when it's not blistering hot outside, which sadly isn't often here in SC. 65 seems like a good number. You can always wear more under it if it's cold.

Sumpftarn works really well in the fall and winter around here b/c there's no white snow anywhere, just dead leaves and pinestraw. I can fit two 30 round gi mags, or a handful of stripper clips in each of my two lower smock pockets no problem, which is much more comfortable than a chicom for me.

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>>34180951
>tfw they make things in jigsaw

>>34181158
>not for ouncefagging but to try and reduce recoil impulse from such a light rifle
Just put a comp/brake on it, or do pushups until you can manage the punishing recoil of 5.56x45.

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>>34180978
thx m8
>>34181024
>waah a heavy rail
it seems to work well for him, thanks for your opinion

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Here's my proof for when I said black actually isn't that bad for my environment. I forgot to bring my peltors along.

>>34180892
No problem man.

>>34181234
It's not for the painful recoil. It's because a short, light build is going to have more muzzle rise than a 16 or 20 standard build.

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>>34174083
>mfw I see a Thot to blast.

>>34181508
Woodland works. I don't think anyone would claim that it doesn't aid in concealment in the forest. There are just better options out there.

>>34181508
The black is the most visible part of your gear tho.

>>34180336
I'm not very experienced with packs or knee pads but I can let you know what I see here.

Several people have LBT 3 day assault packs, they're out of your price range but LBT runs regular sales with good discounts (down to $75-100) that almost always include these packs. Dan has some sort of Source pack that he likes.

As for knee pads, Arc'teryx knee caps get recommended a lot and the people who have them like them, at $60 they're slightly out of your price range. A2Grip owns multiple pairs and WhatGrip?WhatStock? has borrowed some of his.
Alta are another brand I have seen in use and recommended, not familiar with their models but SKD carries some that are $22 currently. Cat Boy uses these as seen here. >>34180109

Hopefully this is somewhat helpful to you. I tried to provide names where possible so you can ask people about they're stuff directly. You can also keep an eye at people's kit pics and ask about stuff that interests you, people usually like to talk about their stuff. Just keep in mind that experience with other competing products is important. For example: Arc'teryx pads are good but are they worth twice the price of the Alta's? Only someone with personal experience of both can give you an answer and then it comes down to your personal financial situation.

>>34180414
That looks like the PIG 2L hydration pouch, same thing Big Cat is using here. >>34180109

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>>34181679
Whoa that ain't me,

>>34180648
fatty detected

>>34176810

Ready to buy as I type this

Thanks for the recommend

>>34181715
REEEEEEE
I meant Cat Boy, your names are very similar.

>>34181508
>car stock adapter
>magpul mags
rail system, but just for a fucking afg
>no light or optic.

what a trash ak. Warsaw stock is fine.

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>>34181574
I was referring to my pc, but I agree there may be better options. I've just found woodland to be the best so far.

>>34181595
You right. The reason I got black (a while ago) was because 1. wanted to test it with green pouches 2. I liked the idea of being able wear it under my black carrhart and it not being as noticeable 3. Black matches the black in m81

>>34181952
Is you're real name Atlantic cuz you seem pretty salty friendo. The zenitco rail is in fact for the afg and for a streamlight that's on the way. The stock is just a placeholder until I get around to ordering a stock with a cheek riser. And the magpul mag was the mag I happened to grab, I left my steel mag in the case. But being a college student and life have put a burden on gear :^)

>>34181679
>>34181840

Not me. sorry I usually use a trip but I've been namefagging lately

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I can confirm the LBT 3-day is good. For sure worth it when they go on sale. I'm sure July 4th they will have a sale.

--

Chest rig comes in tomorrow

What's a carrier I can wear under a smock? No need for pouches or molle, but maybe something that has the ability to have a panel mounted to it like the lv-mbav.

>>34182404
Slickster muh nigster

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VTAC sling on QD user here.

s'all good, but I think in another life I would have probably picked the VCAS if I was exposed to it earlier and didn't want to have to replace all of my rifle slings.

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this smock business is absurd. Clearly the superior combat rain layer is the poncho.

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Got my carrier somewhat done. Looking at a bgf ten speed tripple or an ats tripple shingle for the front instead of the 2x2. The LBT Blow out might not stick around for long. Going to sew up an insert to keep all my supplies on instead of stiffing them in a ziploc or in there loose.

>>34182594
Vtac sling is my hands down favorite sling.

>>34182421
Thanks my guy. Time to buy one and copy the pattern cut.

Tryna make my own getup in a pattern that works for my environment.

>>34182712
I didn't realize those LBT medical pouches didn't come with inserts. I've got USGI inserts, so maybe I can make them work if I pick one up on sale.

>>34182643
>Not the anorak
Try again.

>>34182594
nice CAG gun
what's the mag pouch next to the MBITR?

>>34182821
It's an Eagle Fort Bragg pouch.
Speedest of speed reloads and quieter than any Kydex insert

>>34182844
oh ok yeah i have a couple myself. didn't recognize it cause i can't see the loop you pull the flap down by

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Seal buyer anon here.

Oh boy, oh boy.

>Combat shirt, field shirt, combat pants

Oh man, oh man.

>>34180728
>laws explicitly limiting how the military can be used for police work

Was going to say this. They pretty much can't be used domestically at all, but are probably used as advisors or something.

I know Australian sas is used for any terrorist attacks, hostage situations, basically any serious stuff, like what the FBI would be used for.

>>34182948
>They pretty much can't be used domestically at all, but are probably used as advisors or something.

Since the standing laws in the two countries are different, the response is different. If you are in a country that doesn't have laws against using the military for police work (Aus, UK), you use them and there is really no need for a hyper well trained police doorkicking force; when you have the ability to call in literal special forces there is no motivation to make an operator police unit. Since the US has laws limiting the use of military in police operations, we've got stuff like the FBI HRT. HRT trains alongside SF, and is in terms of CQB probably damn near as good. No need to break the rules and call Delta force for a domestic incident when you've got civilian law enforcement forces that are capable.

An exception to Posse Comitatus is to use military forces to deal with a hazard to the public that isn't a person. Like an IED or boobtrapped apartment- the US can call military EOD and working dogs in all day long for that. In which case they wouldn't be "advisors", they'd take over entirely if called in until they said it was safe, and then the police get control back.

>>34183035
>a hyper well trained police doorkicking force
We're talking about a situation, though, that, had it happened in the USA, would have ended with the knifemen getting shot 80 times and teabagged by literally the first cop they ran into.
They wouldn't have even needed to call in SWAT or get their AR out of their trunk; a clueless rookie with a Glock could have done the job that the UK felt the need to fly in one of the world's most elite counterterrorist forces to do.

>>34183121
desu clueless rookies with Glocks deal with that kind of shit on the reg here in the US

>>34174083
Am I the only one who feels like their plate carrier isn't wide enough? I feel like I have a lot of exposed flesh to the left and right.

Bullets ricochet in flesh and there enough exposed that even a slight deflection would be a kill shot and its not exactly a small target.

>>34183222
The plate carriers are the right width, the people wearing them are not.

>>34183035
I didn't mean advisors in the sense that sf are "advisors" in Syria and half the world. I meant it as them truly acting as advisors. A member who really specializes in the situation at hand, not just a random team of sf "operating operationally". And most likely being addressed/introduced as just DOD advisor by Feds/other mil that accompanied them there.

I don't know of any situations where mil has been called in for ied's or booby traps. I only know of mil being called in for riot control, as in state national guard for show of force, or to burn down churches. Or obviously for natural disasters.

Why would you say they can get called in for ied's after writing a paragraph about how domestic police develop sf skills(i.e. SWAT EOD) and units because they can't use sf domestically?

>>34182786
yeah i've got one some where i might try first as a proof of concept

>>34183253
Fat joke? 6ft 200lbs 14% bf.

I have broad shoulders and a big chest.

Legitimately curious if I should be concerned about lack of coverage. I feel like I see LEO with chest rigs that wrap around them completely with no exposure. Some of them are pretty big.

>>34183267
I got what you meant, but I'm saying for tactical things there is really no need to call in military tactical advisors for major incidents. HRT and other civilian police forces are going to be just as competent in CQB (they do literally, actually train with Special Forces), *and* they are more familiar with police, so they'd integrate better.

>I don't know of any situations where mil has been called in for ied's or booby traps.

There is an exception written into the laws for dealing with threats like explosives or chemicals. The point of laws barring the domestic use of the military is to prevent a martial law dictatorship kind of thing, but dealing with inanimate threats was kind of figured to be the good of public safety.

Military EOD literally all the time to deal with things police can't or don't feel comfortable handling. Most of it is not breaking news, but it happens near daily. The law says that military EOD can not just show up and demand to control a scene, but if requested by the police can then take control of it. There is also another law stating that military ordnance is the responsibility of the military, so if a farmer finds an old military shell in his field, the police are obliged to call the military, even if they have a functional HDS/Bomb squad.

> I only know of mil being called in for riot control, as in state national guard for show of force, or to burn down churches. Or obviously for natural disasters.

The National Guard is under a different jurisdiction and command. National Guard are owned by the state and activated domestically by the state governor. Active duty troops are controlled by the Federal government.

So, National Guard can be sent into deal with riots while legally, an active duty military unit couldn't be sent (without Congressional approval).

Both state and federal troops could legally be used for disaster relief, but I've never heard of it happening.

>>34183337
You understand that plate carriers only provide protection where the plate is? The amount of cloth on the body doesn't factor into stopping bullets.

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>>34183386
larger carrier holds larger plates. A number of carriers supplement with soft armor.

The concern is that if your rig leaves greater exposure in the encircled area, is it a greater risk for slightly angled shots and thus worth buying a larger carrier and plate (and or supplementing with shoulder/arm plates to try and cover the area) or is this an unmitigatable risk solved only by avoiding getting shot.

Anyone need a handheld tactical SATCOM transceiver?

Harris RO Tactical SATCOM Handheld Radio on the cheap! Cheap!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RO-Harris-Tactical-SATCOM-Radio-/263020572414

>>34182022
How do you like those knee pads, would you or anyone else recommend them?

>>34179061
Hsgi taco pouch. Only pouch I use for my ak mags.

>>34183481
Somebody else here. Pretty sure those are Hatch kneepads.

If I were forced to wear kneepads (like say being in the Army), they are better than the thick as fuck military kneepads. Still not as good as having built in pads on the pants though.

TBQHWYTITT, having kneepads that strap around your knee suck, especially for any kind of extended innawoods stuff. I'm big on safety and all that, but I've not once in military or /gq/ days felt the need for kneepads or ever thought to myself "dang, shoulda worn kneepads today".

>>34183267
>I don't know of any situations where mil has been called in for ied's or booby traps
Army EOD got called into the Safeway I worked at right after high school because our manager thought the motor for one of the rotary Christmas displays was a bomb. True story, happened in WA in 2010.

>>34183518
Sorry, 2013. That feels so long ago.

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2010/feb/22/bomb-scare-forces-evacuation-leavenworth-safeway/

>>34183518
Stuff like that happens all the time. Most times the military gets called in because somebody found military ordnance- Grandpa died and his kids found his stash of grenades, or a hunter finds an artillery round.

But the cops can call the military in for anything like that. There are a lot of incidents of kids cooking up bullshit in garages, or stupid incidents like your's where it turns out to be nothing.

>>34183481
>>34183507
They're actually Alta knee pads. 10/10 would recommend, I hike with them and they're failure comfortable.

>>34183380
>Mil eod working domestically near everyday

Then you can show a source? I get the mil ordnance thing, but literally anything else, I don't see happening.


How often does FBI srt actually deal with active terrorist attacks? Now compare that to how often army sf deals with active terrorist fighting. You can train with the best trainers in the world for 20 years but when you have no real experience, you're going to want to have a little bit of guidance from the guy who taught you everything you know and does this every day.

>disaster relief
>never heard of it

Army engineers get called in to do shit all the time, even sometimes when a disaster hasn't happened.

How old are you? Do you remember hurricane Katrina? There were thousands of ng but also 82nd AB and an artillery btn. All under the control of northcom.

Disaster and engineering shit is really the most that mil is used domestically.

>>34183577
>can you show a source
Dude
>>34183518
>>34183538
There's one example that's so mundane it stands to reason that they'd get called out for everything from christmas displays to ordinance.

>>34183446
And yet you bring up chest rigs which don't provide ballistic protection?

>>34183337
LEO wear level iiia soft armor which wraps your torso, and sometimes wear plates. Level iiia soft armor only stops most pistol rounds and fragmentation. Rifle plates stop rifle rounds and which rounds, from what rifles, depends on the plates level of protection.

There are body armor vests that hold level iiia inserts and rifle plates. That sounds like what you are looking for.

>>34183446
It's a non issue. You have to remember those cops aren't planning on running or anything like that. Eventually you get to the point where the armor starts to hinder your ability to move and that will get you killed. Your ability to move quickly and out maneuver the shitbags trying to kill you will help you more then the extra armor the cops wear. Of course accurate fire plays into that as well.

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>>34183577
>Then you can show a source? I get the mil ordnance thing, but literally anything else, I don't see happening.

I don't have any scholarly sources on hand at the moment, but just roll with me on this one.

>
How often does FBI srt actually deal with active terrorist attacks? Now compare that to how often army sf deals with active terrorist fighting. You can train with the best trainers in the world for 20 years but when you have no real experience, you're going to want to have a little bit of guidance from the guy who taught you everything you know and does this every day.

Right, I get this thinking, but I've never seen the military called in for tactical advice. I really can't prove a negative here, which is what you're asking for.

>Disaster relief
Yeah, I totally spaced on Army Corps of Engineers. Katrina was kind of a blip on my radar and I didn't instantly recall 82nd being there- but there you go. That shows what Federal military can be used for. Disaster relief is not blocked in the same way as being used to actively police is.

>>34180940
It's a SHTF wrap. KE arms sells them.

>>34179906
arcteryx knee caps are the only kneepads you should every buy that don't attach to your pants.

>>34183557
Fucking kids can't appreciate Granddad's heirloom grenades he stole from the Army

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>>34180728
>>34182948
>>laws explicitly limiting how the military can be used for police work


not anymore

>>34183768
>In 2008, these changes in the Insurrection Act of 1807 were repealed in their entirety, reverting to the previous wording of the Insurrection Act.[9] It was originally written to limit Presidential power as much as possible in the event of insurrection, rebellion, or lawlessness.

You can ignore the top half of the screenshot.

The 2011 NDAA addition is a fucking can of worms situated inside a legal minefield that nobody wants to touch. Trust me, senpai, there are endless mandatory powerpoint breakdowns of this shit.

>>34179906
>>34183741
I hear these are very good too. Supposedly eliminate the problem of drooping pads.

https://agilitegear.com/products/axis-knee-pads

>>34180077
its not all that bad desu but you're slightly right about heavy rifles digging in

>>34183845
I was using it all as an example of how far we have strayed. They used the military at waco and ruby ridge they used them during the LA riots and katrina. There were military advisers that arrived fully geared at both the bundy ranch staging area stand off and at the FBI field headquarters during the Oregon stand off. There were Craft mercenaries at the san bernadino shooting and at the boston bombing before either event happened and after non-uniformed military teams showed up.

>>34183874
the arcteryx ones do that without the need for a big fucking plastic hinge that is just gonna make them more uncomfortable to wear.

>>34183684
Ok, obviously the eod stuff happens and is news worthy. But I doubt you are going to see a list of the different people and where they are from that would be collaborating during a terrorist situation(and not even just terrorist situations). I'm not asking you to prove that it doesn't happen, I'm just saying that there is no reason for it not to happen, and would only be a benefit and would not break posse comitatus.

>Disaster relief is not blocked in the same was as being used to actively police is.

I think this is where you are misunderstanding me with the advising. I'm not talking, nor was I ever, about the military actively or covertly reacting to a domestic situation, I was just saying that when a major situation happens it isn't just FBI in one room saying "this is what we are doing". They want as much knowledge and qualified brains running immediately giving them options and ideas. That means dod and dhs advisors and who knows who else for situational advise and NSA and other intel agencies for intel.

And if you understand what I meant from the get go, then idk why you replied to me in the first place.

>>34183978
We're talking in circles here. The original start of this was "delta advising tactically", which I'm just going to be like, I can't prove a negative here and say they have never done it domestically, but that's not the procedure and these organizations are huge on procedure and territory. If you want to expand and expand to include other organizations, yeah DHS is part of it.


>And if you understand what I meant from the get go, then idk why you replied to me in the first place.

I was agreeing with you damn. I was like "oh yeah I totally spaced out on Katrina, you're right" and affirming that the 82nd's use in Katrina was in line with everything above board. People so angry here.

>>34183899
You're not getting the difference between state and Federal, and what is allowed for each.

>non-uniformed military teams showed up.

Then how do you know they're military? Infowars.com?

>>34184027
Fug, I was going to ask you about some of your gear but I can't remember what it was. :(
Can you post more pictures to jog my memory?

>>34184027
Have you taken this out on hikes- I want reviews. This has an internal frame right?

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>>34184112
sure can friendo

>>34184124
That did it, what pack is that? Also, was it you who said they had a lot of friends who use and like it or someone else?

>>34184124
Vanity question, but why not paint your helmet? A shiny brown bleh color is not aesthetic.

>>34184122
short little stints mostly so far.

It has a plastic sheet for an internal frame.

I love is so much. Its tall enough to fit my 6'7" torso like a glove. Its stupid light and dose not have a shit load of retarded pockets that you dont nee/want. Ill have to wait till day and take some internal pics. I dont know if its truly worth the 400 with all of the surplus stuff floating around though. But god damn do i love it.

>>34184111
>unironically being dismissive of infowars

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>>34184143
5.11 rush 72
fucking hate it so much. made by retards who think they know what a hiking pack should be.

>>34184151
Uh it was fine for what I was using it for. I ended up selling it when I got my Ukie helmet

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>>34184143
oh fuck me. you're probably talking about the Tactical Tailor Fight Light pack.

yes, all my buds have them and we love the shit out of them. Small, light and can hold a good amount of shit.

>>34184176
Like I said, vanity question. While your new paintjob is not to my tastes, I can respect how clean it is.

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>>34184152
it looks fucking good tho. do you have any pictures of you using it yet?

>>34184191
well thank ye very much. Kinda nice to see someone not shit the bed and sperg about tastes

>>34184192
its so pleasing to the eyes senpai
Nothing in the field just yet, I've just been so damn busy that i've not had the time to use it or even take pics. That pic is actually the only one i have of it unless i take a shit one right now. can do if you want

>>34184218
I remember seeing the helmet in past threads and actually thinking it was a fiber cover like the materials over OpsCores.

What's the MR pack going to be used for, just day hikes? Or going to expand it with pouches to be an overnight/3 day bag?

>>34184238
Using for backpack camping. So i've got it loaded with tent, clothes, cook gear and so on and so on.

got it stuffed to the gills right now

>>34184274
Sorry if I'm being autistic here, what kind of tent? I'm trying to figure out the best tent and right now I'm just using an old 2-person one with poles and it's huge when packed up.

A layout of your camp gear some time would be cool.

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>>34184218
>That pic is actually the only one i have of it unless i take a shit one right now. can do if you want

only if you have m81 woodland to put next to it for maximum comfy

>>34184188
That's the one, thanks senpai. Would you say it would work well in conjunction with a PC to hold hydration and other miscellaneous shit?

>>34184288
honestly man there are like 50 million 1 person backpacker tents that are all the same thing. I started using just a bivy over my sleeping back instead.

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>>34184288
I have a eurika midori 2 and its an ok tent. way to hot in summer and way to cold in autumn. But the two pole sections break down really small. Maybe like 14in long completely broken down.

>>34184303
>m81 woodland
only have that in pants senpai

>>34184312
oh shit yeah it does. You have a couple options when doing that. you can bring the straps over the shoulder and use the attachment adapters to connect it or use the adapters to attach it to the back of it

How do you guys manage to look cool in your gear? I just look like an autistic poorfag in every picture of me. I know cool isn't what matters, but still.

>>34185089
post yourself in your gear, we will explain what you are doing wrong.

>>34185089
are you hulkamania or are you manlet?
if you're a manlet, especially if you're asian, i have bad news. you look like an airsofter all the time. if you're a ripped manlet then it might be okay but shit still sucks.

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>>34185117
You can't see it but im wearing cadpat pants
>>34185137
Scrawny and tall.

>>34185176
you aren't even wearing gear pham.

if you want to look cool you need to be smart about being a poorfag.

if the sks is what you got

https://www.amazon.com/Military-Bandoleer-Bandolier-Cartridge-Ammunition/dp/B0058PBJ0W

start with this

it looks like you are wearing civi hiking jacket which only works if you have complimentary colored gear on. you have to look like you are trying to look like your in tora bora or some shit

1 hole balaclavas only look cool if you are wearing full highspeed kit.

cadpat is gay but if you are a canadian work with it and set up a surplus cadpat kit or something.


your backpack looks like condor or something else shittty.


this plus your shitty camera work makes you look not cool.

>>34185216
It's a bdu coat. Like i said, poorfag. I recently got that exact chest rig to go with it, so that's something.
You're not wrong about single holes but I still want my face covered while trespassing n shiet.
The backpack is an sog daypack and I actually really like it desu

>>34185232
you're doing fine man. it works it's just not aesthetic

>>34176902
Boulder would be a phenomenal place to live if we could go back to the 1400s or some shit before Whitey "I've always had dreadlocks" McColumbine fucked it up

now it just has the same awe as post-nuke pictures of japistan

>>34185239
I know it works, I just want it to work cool.

Would anyone happen to know the strength of velcro onewrap versus standard webbing?

I wanna nigger rig one of my slings with velcro so I can slap it on literally anything but I don't want it to snap under tension or anything

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Anyone seen The Wind that Shakes the Barley? I love the cartridge pouches and bandoliers they use, any idea of how to put together a sort of "safari set" for vintage guerilla operators, like the Boers, IRA flying columns or even the more civilian freikorps such as the Austrian Heimwehr (don't bring up IRA discussion it's old by now and all I care about is their gear)

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Hey guys

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>>34176611
>>BBs on the ground
airshit detected

>>34182022
>needing a cheek riser
>needing a red dot one of the quickest iron sights on the market
>buying streamlight
>not using a barrel clamp and spongebob duct tape

your ak is trash

>>34184086
I was using dhs as an example. They would be through dod since that is the total oversight of the military.

I was referring to your original reply to my original post.

Does anybody have the baofeng radio infographic?

>>34184303
Why are you fat?

>>34186974
too much falafel

Looking for a new belt, something to go with olive drab trousers since black leather doesn't match well.

>>34182022
AKs are garbage but yours is especially so.

>>34184167
>jar of pickles.mp4

>>34186526
Good eye, I didn't notice that.
but it isn't uncommonit in CQB training to use airshit though.

I've done some cqb training with the local SWAT and they trained with airsoft as well.

>>34186506
1/10 made me reply

>>34179906
No joke paintball knee pads under your pants are probably the most comfy thing in the world for extended wear.

Not my picture but have used pretty much every brand on the earth; light weight very easy to move in them, mesh so your legs can breathe, extended coverage to not just to knee... I don't know why people dont give them more credit.

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>>34187236
oops

>>34182904
>Experimental aor2 DG3
Bullshit.

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Sling is an SOE single to double with QD and HK clip

>>34186537
>having a chin weld
>red dot on camping rifle
>not getting a protac rm over a streamlight
>not using superior "dill with it"

ishygddt

>>34187097
That still puts me at more guns than you anon :^)

>BDS .308 chest rig arrived

either I'm losing more weight than I thought or these are meant to be worn over armor

>holy molle space

best thing about this is the mag pouches are shallow enough to work with the FAL 20 rounders, and for 30rd+ you can stick on the velcro straps to keep them secure

and it's built as well as they claim, I'd trust the stitching to hold up enough to tow a truck with, it feels like it's worth the cash/wait

will post pics later if there's interest

>>34187216
lol

>>34187313
Those look ridiculously overbuilt.

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What happened to that tripfaggot Skeletor?

>>34188486
He is playing a bunch of steam games being a faggot.

>>34188486
got arrested by the mounties for posting too many gun pictures

>>34187015
He said why, not how.

>>34188486
got replaced to a gay family by the canadian government.

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notice me senpai....

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>>34189102
Argfag b gone

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>>34189167
you cant use my own meme against me hahahahahahahaha

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>>34189186
Are you sure about that?

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>>34189215
yea im sure. i spent like an hour making gt memes.

you want more?

be a good boy.

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>>34189263
How did you spend an hour on like 6 mspaint memes?

>>34176791
1 points are fine. Least shit to get in your way when you need to act.

People saying 2 points are better for traveling are right, but something tells me they havent needed to actually use a 2 point slung weapon in shitty conditions ever. 1 point QD is master race.

If youre moving tactically at any distance you're holding your rifle anyway, slings exist purely for using both hands while retaining your rifle, not for comfortably hanging it from your body.

Speaking purely in terms of moving in any place where you expect contact or there is a chance for contact, I dont give a fuck what you do with your bolt gun out hunting

>>34189351
>sling
>not for comfortably hanging it from your body

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Code 4 holster is in... fit wasn't awesome but nothing a hair dryer can't fix. It came with malice clips but I took them off and put on some blade-tech molle clips I have. Much better.

>>34189361
Like I said, im talking in terms of weapon retention in some form of operational environment, not you dicking off to larp in the woods

Might as well disassemble it and put it in your bag in pieces if youre doing the former with your weapon slung on your back

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>>34189263
>>34189215
>>34189186
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>>34189102
>samefagging this hard.
You probably even used a VPN to change the id's so you could argue this. It's obvious. It's time to stop.

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>>34189330
6?

oh honey i have a lot more than six.
>>34189457
nice try bud

>>34189496
Like I said, you're either using a VPN or posting from two different devices. It's obvious. Stop it.

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>>34189496
Very nice, will witness memes.

>>34189457
good attempt friend

>>34189518
lel
>>34189529
wew

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>>34180728
>There are references online to an Alpha Troop within 821 (EOD) Squadron, 33 EOD Rgt providing EOD support, including Assault Improvised Explosive Device Disposal (AIEDD) support, to United Kingdom Special Forces (UKSF). They also provide support to police tactical firearms units.

>AIEDD is a specialised form of EOD that is designed to be carried out during counter terrorism (CT) operations. The focus of AIEDD operations is on speed, keeping the assault momentum going by quickly assessing and clearing (marking or disarming) any explosive threats to the assault force or hostages. This may include dealing with explosive devices placed on hostages, terrorist suicide vests, booby-trapped access points etc.

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>look up my steel cased and despair

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On the subject of slings, anyone here worked out a decent sling for ambidextrous usage of a bullpup?
More specifically AUG/AUG variants?
No matter what I do I always end up with a sling that either chokes me out when I switch hands, sits snugly over the fucking extraction port when I switch hands or just acts like a damn bungee cord whenever I've got my weapon slung.
Pic semi related

>>34189652
Throw it all in the trash

>>34189738
You know you're not the first person to recommend that.

>stop liking what I don't like

>>34189742
Why would you like steel case for any qualitative reason

>>34189768
>not training with ammo that causes malfunctions to simulate adverse conditions and subpar weapons maintenance that may occur during a situation where you will probably need the gear you are practicing with
Also its cheap

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>>34189768
Cheaper then brass. I'd prefer having more of stuff I'm most likely going to piss away killing paper. Besides it only takes a few moment to clear a malfunction and knowing how to do so is good practice. Over 700 rounds of this polyshit and not a single malfunction yet. Knowing it could though keeps me on my toes.

>>34189566
You're not fooling anybody. Go back to your contaibment thread and stop soiling the mans's good image.

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>>34189727
>ambidextrous usage of a [...]AUG/AUG variants
Maybe if you were planning on shooting off both shoulders you should have considered buying almost literally any other rifle.

>>34181508
FL?

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>>34189909
Ausfag infanteer, trust me I would love to buy any other rifle.
Or just be able to buy a rifle in general.

>>34189351
>something tells me they havent needed to actually use a 2 point slung weapon in shitty conditions ever
Fuck off. I fell for the 1 point meme in Iraq and paid for it dearly. Patrols in full kit in 124 degree weather are shitty as is. Add neck pain and a rifle smashing around to that and you've got yourself a recipe for 1 point hatred.

>>34189968
What the hell is wrong with Australia?

They live on an island where everything can kill them but piss themselves if there is a gun within 40km of them.

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>>34182786
They work, you can cram a lot in there.
>TQ
>Gauze
>Quikclot
>Light
>NPA
>Chest seal
>gloves
>Coincidence bandage

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>>34190007
You haven't even seen the best part
Pic related, its the "replica gun" that sent the school into lockdown

>>34190024
>mfw their so nogunz they don't even recognize a fake gun when they see it

I mean granted they probably automatically assume its homemade in Australia but still they have vidya at least they should know better

>>34189968
Yeah, that's country's doing good.

>>34187038
5.11 Maverick riggers belt in sandstone.

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>>34189964
Yeah central FL. The pvc patch is by American Sheepdog llc, it's in their ghost colorization. It's really well made and I think they do pvc patches for all states.

>>34190408
Why don't you come to FL /k/ meets

>>34181024
>competition gun
>posting your incorrect opinion on why its bad

we all believe you're a really experienced and hi speed operator bud you must be a huge bad ass

>>34190591
I actually have come a couple times, I was at that one a while ago where we caught the tire on fire with a flare. I also usually work weekends but I've been wanting to go recently.

Anyone know if the 5.11 rush 72 pack is any good? It feels heavy as shite

>>34191151


Read this >>34184176

>>34191162
Thank ya sir

>>34187910
fuck the ubr looks like ass on an ak

any regrets on the tech sight tho

>>34191293
>fuck the ubr looks like ass
ftfy

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>>34191105
Oh shit, I'm flarebro.

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on that new shit

>>34190021
Sweet thanks for showing that the USGI inserts work in the lbt pouch. Ill be loading mine up when i get home

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>>34174083
Is a belt lanyard running down into my pants pocket my best option for semi-discreet carry of a laser rangefinder such as a Sig Kilo 2000?
I'd prefer something belt-mounted, but with the rf itself being an inch and a half thick, I don't think that's realistic.

>>34187313
How do you run a 10K with all that padding?

>>34191654
Wat ist the Chest Rig?

>>34191931
Mayflower UW Gen IV

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>>34191817
It'll will wobble and it's not gonna be great for running and moving in difficult terrain. You're better to get a pouch for your belt, or on your chest. Get it tight.

>>34192034
Interesting, since it could be swapped quickly on a PC.

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>>34180369
what radio and comm setup if you dont mind?

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My grammudda told me that partizan spectre is the coolest and most objectively efficient camouflage on the market. Is she correct? If so, how so?

>>34192481
>no pattern is universal

That, and, objectively, it doesn't seem to make much sense having such light tans and bright greens simultaneously. Can't think of many environments that fill that niche of colors. It's not effective on heavily vegetated ground prone b/c tan sticks out like a sore thumb, and too much green to be viable in tall grass.

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>>34192597
Basic bitch Multicam is as close to universal as makes no difference.

Are first spear Strandhöggs any good? I'm looking at a slightly used one for 200. Good deal?

>>34192774
pretty solid

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>>34192774
>$200 strandhogg
jump on that shit nigga

>>34192864
Is that one? How do you like it? I'm only really concerned with the plastic attachment points at the cummerbund.

>>34191561
Oh shit, long time no see. i was the kid with the 5.11 shirt and jeans. i think i only had my ak at the time i went.

I have some thoughts on the mayflower, ill post them in the next thread since we are close anyway. Overall Im happy.

>>34191293
I personally like the ubr but to each his own. the techsights are a god-send, they also ~lower 1/3 cowitness with the aimpoint. i would recommend

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>>34192774
>>34192971
don't buy blu's gear he uses them for Brazilian fart porn

>>34180545

The guys were wearing phony suicide vests, it's obvious they were fishing for as big a response as possible and they got it.

>>34193153
I wonder if they expected to get extra virgins for getting their faces martyred off by the SAS?

new new new

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