Single line formation

>>34157827
Walks together and gets blown up by a single grenade.

we use group formations in afghanistan and iraq dumbass. they are crossing water in the picture and need to be single file.

>>34157828
Not if one of them jumps on the grenade with his helmet dummy. Do you actually know any military tactics?

Mines.

If you walk where someone else has walked you aren't going to step on one.

>>34157831
Not if they miss the mine by inches.

>>34157831

yeah but then the front guy gets blown up. only do single file if you have a minesweeper at the front.

>>34157830
>>34157832
are you retarded

>>34157830
lol wut

>>34157834
Are you? I see you are from Finland a Slavic nation years behind American technology so I'll give you a pass this time.

>>34157827
Is this bait?
It smells like bait.
>single mortar/landmine can take out a group.
>bullets will find their target, regardless if they're fired in a group or spread out over 100 feet
>when returning fire, different angles of attack are actually a bonus.
>line of sight from different perspectives is a bonus

>>34157836
both of you are right. his tech sucks and youre retarded.

sage

>>34157837
Have you ever played the telephone game? Messages relayed between people are always told differently. If you try to communicate downs line your squad is going to hear a different message. You see football teams meet in a huddle right? So they all hear the plan of attack.

>>34157836
>everyone killed by airstrike
>everyone killed by one mortar shot
>everyone killed by a spray of automatic fire
>everyone killed by one shell
>everyone killed by one mine
>everyone in a group making it an easy target

>>34157839
god you really are a retarded super nigger arent you?

>>34157840
Not if your group is a bunch of pussies and can't lay down superior fire pinning down the enemy so he's not even allowed to fire.

>>34157839

Nigger please. Do you see defenses huddle most of the time? No they don't because they have to react when the offense goes no huddle . Defenses have their formation and listen to the mike linebacker for instructions. Same with the military the group listens to the squad leader for orders.

>>34157842
I didn't realize this was a bait thread

>>34157843
thats probably one of the best comparisons ive ever seen

>>34157827
> lets walk in an area that may have landmines as spread out as possible to find out

I was in the Marines. We just teleport behind you.

>>34157843
That's your problem you are thinking defense instead of offense. You are probably thinking of the old way of mass troops charges like the Russian did in ww1 and 2. When you have superior fire power you lay down fire power so thick no enemy would ever dare return fire

>>34157836

You give burgers a bad rep retard

>>34157827
Because wars aren't fought on big giant flat fields, OP. Stop being such a faggot.

>>34157827
>guy that has never been in the military asks why we walk in columns.

If you have ever moved through a forest or sand storm you would know why we walk in columns or staggered columns.

As someone else pointed out mines/EID's are also a problem.

>>34157830
nigga real life aint Captain america

>>34157827
you use a single line and follow each others footsteps if their are IEDs or mines around

don't be stupid

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>>34157827
>marching in file is most efficient for traveling
>NEET critiques military formation used since forever
>>34157828
look who's in front. das rite.

>>34157853
rare

>>34157854
>Used forever
That's why I'm saying it's 2017 and we need to switch up military tactics. Group formation is the way of the future and it's time we catch up.

>>34157856
>group of soldiers marching in file
>not a group formation
what clusterfuck formation would you prefer? this formation can go into a wedge pretty quick

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>>34157827
They are using the one means of dry passage between those two rice paddies. Probably not in enemy or contested territory and have a long march ahead of them making the risk of marching with soaked feet more significant than the lowered response capability of the unit.

In any case, it this crossing represents exposure to fire due to the lack of cover and speed is also key.

You are a fucking moron if you think they would just operate in black and white maneuvers like you describe. In combat you would probably freeze from terror based on your pathetic conception of warfare. You are trained a variety of tactics as a grunt and an officer should be trained in deploying them appropriately for any situation. If you can't even consider this you should stay in the basement if SHTF

>>34157830
Mang, the blast will still rip pieces of the helmet through you. No way it will contain the blast lmao

>>34157827
Because you don't know shit

Sincerely,

The SOF community

>>>>>k

>>34157856

you never have served in any army if you write such nonsense.

>>34157861
Although if you actually post this garbage on /k/ you'll be laughed at.

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>>34157830

>>34157862
/thread

>>34157856
>Group formations
You mean like the ones we learn in basic? Or how about the ones in the Ranger handbook?

We have group formations and we use them when they are tactically needed. The column just so happens to be the most common and useful.

Advantages of a column:
Easy to follow
Hard to tell numbers by tracks
Easy to stagger and open fire lanes

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>>34157856
I hate to admit it, but OP is right. Single line formation is complete shit and group formation should be used at all times.

We need to make sure Trump and Mattis are working on this 24/7 until it's resolved.

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>>34157830
It's sad how many people fell for this

>>34157856
>t. Logistics Flag Officer

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>>34157827
Usually we used traveling overwatch utilizing echelon right/left teams unless the terrain dictated we use a file. File formation is mostly dictated by terrain as it's much easier to move through swamps/mountains/etc by identifying one good path and taking it instead of having each individual try to blaze their own path and potentially get separated. This is especially true when combining rough terrain and darkness.

Column formation is also commonly used on road marches and line formations are used during police calls/searches.

>>34157827
>sniping a column
>not being BTFO by 12 different guns immediately after

>>34157867
kek

>>34157827
I'm no tactician but I'd guess it's the same reason no one rides inside APCs: explosives.

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>>34157870
See? Look at all the alternatives there are to column formation. It is completely useless and should be phased out immediately.

No promotions should be available for officer using such an obviously ineffective tactic.

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>>34157827

you retard, you literal subhuman

single file allows a formation to fire to all sides, and if there is contact to the front or rear, presents a smaller target

>>34157827
So this is for marching, not patrolling. Typically in an urban setting you will still move in a file, but using proper spacing.

If this were a combat patrol or movement to contact you would see these guys in a wedge.

OP you have never been in the Army or Marines, so please do not judge their tactical decisions.

>>34157827
They try not but sometimes the brush is to dense

>>34157870
See, OP, you faggot. They are just executing a lateral line formation. Not a single file.

Idiot troll faggot

>>34157827
>i know more about military strategy than all the generals
dunning-kruger effect in action

>>34157839
Yeah because trained military personal are going to turn "theres a gook in the bush over there" to "theres a nuke in the swamp ever-clear"

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>>34157827
I like seeing American and Finnish soldiers training together on the Eastern Frontier of Russia in the Summer.

>>34157871
>SGT York
read about him

>>34157874
It also allows you to get an accurate headcount when you're entering/exiting a place you intend to stop. When a patrol base is formed usually you'll collapse into a file formation and an NCO will count you off as you form a perimeter and establish security.

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>>34157879
>Obvious military-industrial complex shill
This is not Dunning-Kruger effect. You just fail to recognize that OP has advanced military doctrine by centuries with his astute observations.

>>34157833
>yeah but then the front guy gets blown up.

Which is why they rotate who is in front. Everybody shares the risk. Also, have you ever noticed how they will walk in the tracks of a vehicle if there is a vehicle in front?

>>34157839
the point of telephone is to change the message into something funny and different, retard.

>>34157856
>It's the current year!

>>34157885
Typically the lead man is not rotated. It will typically be your most experienced E5 out in front.

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>>34157883
>Shilling for column formation
Yes but you've failed to address any of OP's brilliant points. Only rural and suburban retards still favor this antiquated military tactic.

>>34157874
I know right? I would equivilate using single line formation to outdated tactics used in ww1 like mass charging a machine gun. It doesn't work anymore. It's all about superior fire power now and a group of guys together is going to be able to produce the most firepower.

>>34157868

This

>>34157827
DISPERSION.

I can hear the DI's now lol.


And you learn every type of fomation early on in OCS and the silent symbols for each.you faggot. Every one has an advantage and time and place

>>34157885
This isn't true. When I was in, I was the first in through the door for my fire team every time. It was my job, and I got better at it. I'm big and my squad leader didn't like me, so I was point man.

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>>34157890
Absolutely I bet you and I could easily beat all the military fags here in paintball. They are obviously backwards thinkers and only use column formation because that's what they were taught.

>>34157830

Can fonrim, i've dnoie im befomre

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>>34157888
in the german/austiran army its usually the commanding nco who leads the squad and his second in command takes the rear.

There is not really a file formation here, maybe for marching but thats not a combat formation.

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>>34157889
Nah it's pretty good stuff. You can see here a formation collapsing and tightening to begin setting up a temporary patrol base in that grove of trees. Typical spacing should be 3-5m but here it's at about 2m because we bunched up a bit.

>>34157839
I always thought it was called Chinese whisper

>>34157894
Name the last time any paintball team has used line formation. That's right they use group formation.

>>34157827
Mines.

This thread gave me a good chuckle because I just graduated basic a couple weeks ago. Good meme mate

Actual retards in this thread.

google infantry tactics.

>>34157827
im in the army. we usually walk in diamond formation if we are likely to get into contact

>>34157900
I keep seeing people use the mines argument. Do you really think this is still ww2 and men walk around digging out mines with their knifes? Fuck no they don't. The call in the mine clearers. You are thinking of old outdated world war 2 tactics.

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>>34157827
>gi joe plastic green Bangladeshi helmets
I love those guys. A real motivated bunch of dudes besides having total garbage for equipment.

>Why do modern armies seriously do this outdated tactic in 2017?
Patrols are dynamic brother. You shift speed and formation as the terrain and threat level varies. Do you even serve?

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>>34157830
>>34157836

>>34157827
To avoid loosing more than one soldier in a mine blast.

>>34157882
Gods of War don't count

>>34157830
wut

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>>34157897
>Breaking character
Cool shit, seriously.

>>34157897
Niggas don't know about obliques and reformation etc..

>>34157896
>>34157888
>what is a point man?
>what is concentration?

>>34157827
It depends on the terrain. They just came out of a wooded area where a file was likely the most convenient means of travel whereas now in the open they would transition to a wedge.

>>34157829
yet a million armchair generals are going to talk out
of their asses this is why I love 4chan

>>34157894
Real war is not a 10 minute round at speedball field, paintfag.
You're not in contact all the time.

>>34157897
Why are modern guns painted black and not painted clear? Black guns stick out like a sore thumb against the foiliage. Clear guns would blend in and have a chameleon like affect and become the backdrop of whatever ground the Marine was currently occupying.

>>34157827
>why isn't the military like CoD?
the post

>>34157903
The Australian army generally opts for the rhombus, as it is the superior battle polygon.

>>34157895
Criminally underrated post

>>34157894
they're crossing water fucktard

>>34157827
>>>/k/

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>>34157916
>painted clear

>>34157916
stop posting, you're retarded

>>34157916
>Painted Clear

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>>34157916

From personal experience:

The file formation is the easiest to control and maneuver in restricted terrain. It is easy to communicate via hand signals front to back, and it is thus safer since an element can maintain good noise and light discipline when using signals and other close communication.

A file which is attacked by the flank can have the most amassed direct fire against an ambush. However, it also leaves the element open to sweeping fire from machine guns and leaves multiple personnel susceptible to death from grenades or other mass-casualty weapons. If you maintain proper intervals of distance, this can be mitigated.

In summary: a file formation is easy to control, incredibly hard to fuck up (mammals have done this for millions of years), but generally only suitable for tough terrain, when threat of ambush is low, or when an element needs to move quickly or through a linear danger area (an open area of exposure) such as a road or river crossing.

It's effectiveness is in it's simplicity.

>>34157912
no point man here, maybe for entries into buildings, but for normal infantry operations the ncos are expected to lead. Maybe still comes from the prussian/german influence.

>>34157926
Ok now you are just fucking with me. Name one time mammals have come under enemy fire?

>>34157916
Weapons are typically blued or otherwise coated to protect from rust. Some units will allow their guys to spray paint or add more camo if it's needed.

Other armies allow their soldiers to decorate their weapons with bright multicolored stickers, markers, or hang lucky trinkets from them. Several of the ANA we worked with had hello kitty stickers on the stocks of their AKs.

It's also important to note that being concealed is often not a priority. When engaging in area denial or show of force missions it's expected that you will let your presence be known.

>>34157928
Stop posting, you're retarded.

>>34157842
Who's got that picture of Neil Degrasse with the "we're reaching levels of autism previously thought to be unreachable"

This guy needs that picture

>>34157928
Does Emu War counts as Australians lost it?

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>>34157842
>>34157931

>>34157827
Are you stupid?
that's a marching formation, when the squad gets engaged they move apart

>>34157827
>Why do modern armies seriously do this outdated tactic in 2017
But it works

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>>34157926
>Mammals
I thought you were making some good points, but I guess you're talking about penguins or something.

WTF dude. This is a serious discussion about ridding ourselves of an obviously outdated and ineffective tactic.

>>34157934
Another problem with this formation is that if a skilled sniper gets infront of the formation and shoots through the first guy the bullet will also go through at least minimum the next 5 guys and take them out too. This formation is just outdated and bad tacitcs.

>>34157928
Mammals have migrated in lines for millions of years. Mammal herds have commonly and still commonly fall under ambush from pack hunters by the rear and flank--so yes, for millions of years mammals have, in fact, come under enemy fire (so to speak). Even pack hunters themselves, such as wolves, move in a file formation in a particular order when traveling.

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>>34157915
Paintball is a great proving ground for combat tactics. As OP has suggested, no paintball squad ever forms in line, because it's obviously ineffective.

You just suck at it, which is why you're so triggered.

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>>34157856
>let's revise a tried and true method for a dank meme guys!

>>34157939
Paintball is actually a great way to practice peels which allow a line formation to move in space that does not allow other formations to maneuver.

>>34157866
Also easy to control/communicate.

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>>34157976
It's not about memes. It's about saving lives. OP has demonstrated that column formation is antiquated and ineffective.

>>34157938
>Predator-prey dynamics
This just reinforces OP's point. Column formation is based off antiquated mammalian instincts that are not relevant in a combat zone.

>>34157976
>Tried and true
Maybe for past wars but this is the modern age. Remember when troops lined up on top of each other during the revolutionary and civil wars? Well think of that except with machine guns. It's some serious fire power and would demolish any enemy.

>>34157938
Nigga are you dumb? Mammals don't line up in line formation when moving. They move in strong clustered hurds with horns in all directions to send off any attack from predators. Think of 300. This is the modern formation.

>>34158004
>>34158023
I can't help you, the line formation is used IN CONTEXT TO THE SITUATION AT HAND if you think it's used all the time you're legit retarded.

>>34158043
>I have never hunted the post.
Go out into the woods and find a game trail, it's usually only one person wide.

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>>34158049
>Context
In other words, whenever you feel like it, without any advanced tactical thinking like that demonstrated in OP.

>>34158096
Exactly. I am using advanced tactics not thought of yet equivalent to those used by the Germans in WW2 where they used squads instead of mass charges. Get with the times. You are the old guard, I am the new.

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>still posting intelligent replies to this bait thread that was moved here from /pol/

This is now a funny /k/ related image.

>>34157827
single line formation is not usually used.
it is used if there is threat of land mines
it is used when the path is narrow
it is used when breaking off for cover is the preferred ambush response
it is used when crossing wetlands across a thin dry strip (as pictured)

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>>34157890

>Equivilate

Equate. Just say 'EQUATE'

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>>34157827
To hide their numbers

>>34157860
What colour is the boathouse this time of year

>>34157827
>group formation where all the squad walks together

Aka perfect target for mortars, artillery, MGs, aviation assets, anybody with any weapon other than a bolt action, anybody with a grenade, anybody with an RPG, or a small child with a stick of dynamite and a jar full of gravel.

And lets not overlook what happens if any one member of your fucking marching band steps on a mine or trips a booby trap. Instead of just 1 casualty, the Old Man now has to write a half dozen letters. All because OP is too much of a boot to know why bunching up is a really bad idea.

Fuck, I hate shitty bait.

>>34157848
>you lay down fire power so thick no enemy would ever dare return fire

And then you run out of ammo and die to the guy with the muzzleloader.

>>34157830
I'm pissing myself laughing, honest.

I can tell most people in here are new to military tactics. A group movement allows for maximum communication and fire power while also giving maximum situational awareness due to all the eyes scanning the horizon.

>>34157881
That's Bangladesh.

>>34157827
t they're crossing a river on a narrow passage how the fuck do you expect them to walk

>>34157827
What if there's a doorway? How can they possibly all fit through at once?

>>34161079
>t. under enemy fire
>t. doesn't want to bet boots wet
>t. stays on mud path
>t. sisssy femboi army

>>34157827
Column.

Column is the word you are looking for.

>>34157831
/thread

most AOs these days have lots of these fuckers.

>>34157827
Ever heard of land mines?

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>>34157827
Iry am in Chinese chair force, ree ruse aincient Chinese vertical column to make enemy freel small and short when compare to our long strong members. you cry now!

if it's stupid but works, it's not stupid

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I'm more wondering about why entry teams use this formation. It looks pretty suicidal to me.

>>34157827
>Why do modern armies seriously do this outdated tactic in 2017?

When you need to go somewhere quickly you march in column or staggered column you faggot.

You aren't fighting from the column unless someone ambushes you, which they shouldn't because you should have someone on point who is looking for signs of life (movement, sound, disturbed terrain).

Do you think they are marching in column in order to get into a battle line and exchange shots?

>>34157896
>There is not really a file formation here, maybe for marching but thats not a combat formation.

You have literally posted a picture illustrating a staggered column.

>>34157827
Only times I've patrolled single file in a "tactical" situation is when the bush or scrub is thick as fuck and you can't see shit either side of you, or it's too dark to be able to see eachother.
Or going through an obstacle/mine field.
Also urban environment which is different alltogether.

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/k/ really is the easiest board to troll.

>>34157928
any war humans have fought with guns, because we're mammals

>>34157827
Try actually learning basic small unit tactics before posting please

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>>34164373
>Woman in front.
Def suicidal.

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>>34164540
>Muh evolutionary psych
The point of military strategy is to outwit and destroy your opponent. And your proposal is to just default back to base level animal "follow the leader" techniques.

This is the kind of ignorant thinking OP is trying to counter.

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>>34157827
>The men are strung out

Sounds like bad logistics. If you can't get heroin for them, at least see if you can score a crate of methadone. At the very least, oxy and some fentanyl patches. Jesus, people, do you really want the guy on watch to be going through withdrawals?

Unfuck this shit, and toss in some gin and grapefruit for the CO while you're at it.