How would ancient civilisations react if you time travelled back

Can you speak their language?
Because if no you'll look like an asinine retard. Like you do right now.

>>33968590
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>>33968578
No, you couldn't, because you have about 200 rounds of ammunition and are taking on an army of thousands you retard.

Also if you had advanced weaponry they would see the massive value in it and offer you lordship if you shared your knowledge with them, because that would be infinitely smarter and more beneficial than just trying to get the one gun.

>>33968611
Yep. Hope you know chemistry and metallurgy and not just "this here's muh gun."

>>33968611

A modern AR would be like a devine death ray to them, one bang and the other person has a hole in them from 200 feet away.

>>33968655
Ancients peoples aren't as dumb as you think. They'll quickly figure out it's just some asshole with a weapon they don't understand and kill you in your sleep.

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>>33968655
They had all sorts of projectiles, from slings to ballistas and shit. They'd make the connection pretty fast. They weren't complete savages.

Eventually you'd run out of ammo or take a nap and they'd cut your throat or save you for damnatio ad bestias.

>>33968578
>How would ancient civilisations react if you time travelled back with a full modern day /mlp/ loadout with Poneys? Could you take over the city of Rome and declare yourself Trumpette by yiffing the reigning Emperor?

Yes.

>>33968692
>>33968698

So I'd be bigger than all of them, be impervious to swords and arrows due to body armor. Can "see in the dark" (night vision), and can kill someone with a weapon that looks like nothing they have ever seen before with one shot from 300 feet away. I think they would think you are one of their gods that has come down to earth.

>>33968778
>bigger than them
Unlikely

>impervious to swords and armor
Enough arrows or sword slashes will shred your armor

You may be able to fool the Aztecs and native Americans, but not one of the most intelligent civilizations of the world

>>33968840

>I get my historical knowledge from Hollywood

>>33968578
I think you'd reign for about a week or two. Eventually, the praetorian guard would devise a scheme and murder you and your men.

There was an anime about this unfortunately

>>33968611
>offer you lordship

and kill you after they got the weapons

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>>33968869
>The only military that would employ blacks is the USA!

>>33968778

>I'd be a big guy

Implying big guys didn't exist in ancient times.

>for you

>>33968643
thisismuhboomstick.ash

>>33968578
They'd probably conscript you. Plus your gun would need maintenance

>>33968578
They'd figure it out pretty fucking quick. You'd run out of ammo or be killed in your sleep.

You'd be much better off going back in time with some practical but accessible engineering knowledge to share. Bring quality mechanical clocks with you, those would be worth a lot. Teach them how to make audio recordings in wax cylinders like Edison did. Teach them fore-and-aft rigging for their sails. If you were ambitious you could try teaching them how to make black powder.

>>33968840
>Unlikely

FYI the absolute majority of people born before ~1800 AD would be considered manlets today.

>>33968778
And then you get stabbed in your sleep.

>>33969015
They'd be a hell of a lot fitter than a doughy boy like OP.

>>33968725
Are you implying ancient civilizations didn't know about the divine light of horsepussy.

>>33968778
>be impervious to swords and arrows due to body armor.
You need to stop being this autistic. Real life doesn't work like your tabletop role playing games.

>>33969015

the absolute majority of people born before 1800 died before they turned 6 years old, so in a way you are correct. In the euorpean context, however, you're full of shit. The average height of a medeival englishman was somewhere between 5'7" and 5'9"

The Manlet phenomenon is almost exclusively a result of the industrial revolution, when the diets of the urban poor (and miners) transitioned to being almost entirely sugar (in tea and candy) and potatos (aka sugar). Before that, assuming they weren't in a famine, peasants ate a fairly balanced, hearty diet (which averaged 3500 to 4000 calories per day, a peasant can starve to death on a 2000 calorie diet)

>>33968611
In this case you'd be much better off not bringing something polymer based and would benefit more from bringing something more based like glorious wood and steel of AK.

>>33968611
>>33968578

oh btw what would happen is regardless of how well you performed militarily, you'd probably shit yourself to death once you run out of tablets to put in your water.

A modern crossbow or compound bow would be way more effective paired with night vision, plus you really wouldn't run out of munitions

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>>33969057

You're right that there was a significant dip around the industrial revolution, but the modern average is still significantly higher than it was at any point in recorded human history.

>>33968578
How long do you think it would be before they figured out that your amazing weapons were basically just a fancy bow?
These people weren't stupid, you would either be killed when you eventually ran out of ammo or killed in an ambush when you got overconfident

>Implying your AR's are going to beat out indirect fire from siege weaponry and archers

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do you think a force designed to go back in time like this should wear some kind of modernized plate armor or some shit? What would you arm them with?

>>33969146
Lasguns, since we're being sci-fi here.

>>33968778
>be impervious to swords and arrows
yeah ok

>>33968869
>There was an anime about this unfortunately
The stupid one about bathhouses?

Has OP finished jerking off to himself yet?

>hurr durr i wanna be emperor

>>33968869
Makes me sad that they fucked up such a great concept. It was good for a few episodes.

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>>33969374

there was also one that was better

>>33968578

The problem is that you'd eventually have to sleep, and as soon as you do that, the praetorian guard comes in and slits your throat.

Shock and awe.

Plant C4 and time the explosion with your shotgun. Make sure everybody sees your boomstick. Use a chainsaw on their spear. Anything that's loud and out of their world.

Tell them the world is not flat.

>>33969466
Anon, the greeks not only knew the world was a sphere, they had a damn good go at calculating the size of it.

And that's pre roman, so...

>>33969032

the average ancient human is about as strong as your trained "elite" athlete today

they would pretty much tear apart OP's speshul farces as soon as they run out of ammo

>>33969057
Tangent: I read somewhere that researchers studying the diet of medieval peasants were convinced that they were suffering from constant malnourishment, because the food they ate was inadequate for their lifestyle. They thought the peasants were wretched souls indeed, until someone thought "but what about beer?" When you account for the ale the average peasant drank (the stuff was somewhat low alcohol, but far richer then your modern Budweiser), they were putting away so much of the stuff, it was equivalent to several loaves of bread a day in liquid form. In combination with the food, they were getting more than enough calories necessary.

>>33968578
Not gonna happen op
Ur better off bringing a shitton of medical journals and Grey's anatomy, maybe a book or few on chemistry and mechanics. A group of guys with guns vs Rome would end badly for the guys with guns. Body armor and Superior weapons won't really shock them as much as you think. Romans will know what's up
> Huh, he uses some kind of loud device to propel a rock really fast , some future sling.
> Huh, his armor is soft but stops arrows.
Is about what it'll amount to. They'll just pile you. If we're gonna go full sci-fi your better off bringing an aircraft carrier or something that can support itself for a time.

First hooker you hire/rape will bite your dick off or stab you in the back.

>>33969531
>the average ancient human is about as strong as your trained "elite" athlete today
Doubtful. Yes the peasant classes were strong, but very much untrained. The upper classes often believed they were above physical labor and beyond purely martial training in the form of weapon exercises they were not overly physically fit. Both would lack quite a bit in endurance training, which is what modern militaries train first and foremost. Rome would be an exception to this rule, though, as they employed actual professional armies that were drilled and force marched often enough to be equivalent to modern soldiers in fitness and strength.

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>>33968578
I'd just go to Athens and share technology and ideas best suited to ensuring true democracy.

Instead of bringing weapons why not bring a suitcase full of non-fiction books on medicine and engineering. If Rome hadn't fell we would be terraforming mars rights now and the white race wouldn't be in the predicament it is in currently.

>>33968578
Romans were polytheistic, and believed in more than just Gods

Unless you can speak Latin fluently, you would be seen as a malevolent beast and would be slain as such.

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>>33968578
>Special Forces loadout with ARs?
It'd be a slaughter. 5.56 was only designed to wound, it would barely stop any chump gladiator with a desire to hurt you, let alone ten.

What you need to get is something with some stoppin' powah. Remember that in Vietnam the GIs would ditch the jam-o-matic M16 for proven reliable AK-47s. Personally, anything below 30-aught-six can't even be considered to reliably kill a man.

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>>33968869
Are you referring to gate because that is worst piece of crap ever made

>>33969626
Roman military men were marched and worked hard. They'd whoop your ass. They're the ones they'd send against OP, not faggy rich cosmopolitans.

But even those rich Romans would be fitter than today's equivalent.

>>33968578
I wouldn't take over Rome, I'd save it.

>>33969836
Cool premise, shit delivery.

>>33969786
pretty much this, you'd get made fun of with a peashooter 22 magnum like an AR, even by ancients who'd never seen a gun before

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>>33969921
>Russian, US, Chinese special forces taken out by regular jsdf soldiers and a loli
What?

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>>33969786
>>33969974
Jesus where does fuddlore like this keep spawning from? Noguns? The 5.56 was not designed to wound, it was designed to be able to equip more soldiers with a cheaper and lighter round that was effective at stopping a man sized target. The M16 jammed in Vietnam because of a ton of reasons, chiefly it was not chrome lined, anywhere. Also, ball powder was still a thing, and left more residue inside the gun. The self cleaning characteristics of the M16 were due to log powder implementing. The troops we're told the rifle didn't need cleaning. Olin Corp development of the ball powder and it's marketing to Winchester and the military made m16s prone to failure.

Secondly, the 5.56 is definitely deadly if the proper round is used. We used the proper round in nam, and combined with the slow rifling and sheer velocity of the 5.56 causing hydrostatic shock (people shot in the upper chest experienced hemorrhaging in the brain)
As armies shifted toward new combat Styles they needed weapons that could be fired controllably in fully automatic for suppression and Battlefield movement, the 760 by 51 NATO cartridge of the M14 rifle proved to be too uncontrollable.

The military can't even use expanding ammunition, a556 Vmax is incredibly Lethal.

>>33970167
NO SHUT UP THE AK IS RELIABLER THEN AR

>>33970167
It pains me to see people taking this obvious and common bait

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>>33969383
Outbreak Company just shows how anime and waifu wars devolve people into degeneracy.

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>>33970167
>complaining about noguns and fuddlore
>while falling for stale bait

>>33968869
Instead of focusing on power fantasy in fantasyland, it began focusing on power fantasy in real land and did a horrible job of it.

>>33969626

both the peasants and the legionnaires would tear apart modern pansies with their bare hands

does anyone seriously think 6 hours of combatives will make a difference

>>33968692
>Ancients peoples aren't as dumb as you think. They'll quickly figure out it's just some asshole with a weapon they don't understand and

And run the fuck away.

>kill you in your sleep

You would attack an enemy that uses advanced technology that is like magic to you. It looks like you are the dumb one.

>>33970712

Trying to kill something dangerous you don't understand is one of the two major ways people have always dealt with such things throughout history.
The other is to start worshipping it.

>>33970533

General malnutrition doesn't lend itself well to physical strength. Any reasonably fit modern day serviceman (and OP was mentioning SF) would rape any ancient warrior six ways for Sunday, unless pure stamina was required.

>>33970782
>Trying to kill something dangerous you don't understand is one of the two major ways people have always dealt with such things throughout history

All the idiots attack first and die. The smart people wait and watch the idiots die, then run away.

>>33968997
>Here's a book about how this General from Carthage is gonna push your shit in
Also, no Christianity, it's gonna fuck your empire to death

>>33970782
>General malnutrition

Not an issue for the vast majority of Roman peasantry. They ate cereals and protein-rich legumes. Fresh recruits into the Roman legions were immediately sent on daily 30 mile marches with 50 pound packs. These people performed hard labor of the kind that is unheard of today, day in, day out.

Your rape would go the other way and it would not be close.

>>33969894
Can't be fat when you ain't got vittles AMIRITE

>>33970912
...What?

I have a few things to add:

Remember that "peasants" doesn't include the massive underclass of urban poor in the cities of Rome. These were people who were barely able to scrape by on a day-to-day basis and who in many cases depended on government-subsidized grain (the first incarnation of welfare/food stamps) to survive. This urban underclass of ancient Romans DO match the whole stereotype of "unhealthy, short, and physically weak man of antiquity." As other anons have said, however, the freemen who tilled the soil and your typical soldier in the legions during its days of greatness (early 2nd century) were all incredibly tough people.

Modern body armor is not very good against the weapons used by the Romans. I don't know how SAPI plates in a plate carrier would hold up to the rigors of ancient warfare, but any kind of protection that is solely dependent on ballistic fibers like kelvar, aramid, etc is easily defeated by edged weapons (it's why people working in an environment where they are in danger of being stabbed as well as shot use a completely different kind of body armor).

The Romans won their empire through adaptability. Every single major enemy they overcame--the Germans, Gauls, the Britons, the Dacians, the Parthians, the Macedonians etc--all fought differently than the foes they had conquered previously, and, every time, the Romans were able to adapt their tactics to respond to those of their enemies. An unsupported SF unit (remember that SF is just elite light infantry) would not be nearly as much of a threat to an empire the size of Europe as tactifags want to believe.

>>33971107
>be SF in old Rome
>get run over by horses
>get his with large rocks
>get diseased from water and food
>get knifed by thieves and peasants looking to sell gear

>>33968778
>they would think you are one of their Gods
So? I have the distinct feeling that they wouldn't have a problem killing one of their Gods if they could.

>>33968578
if you dont have control of the army then you wont hold the status of emperor. the army is controlled 60%-95% with money/housing/general welfare babby stuff like always/etc and 5%-40% charisma. very few emperors ever controlled the legions with charisma. if you're "asking for a friend" whos taking the trip tomorrow, tell him not to go unless he knows how to quickly and concisely inform the praetorian guard that theyre going to get paid lots of money if they hail you as emperor. also, have fun balancing giving rights to the filthy italian allies and barbarians just enough to keep them loyal. at the end of the day, theres a 99% chance the praetorian guard is going to axe you in favor of whatever highschool quarterback general gets all the poon

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>>33970883
>30 mile marches with 50 pound packs
>unheard of today

>>>/lgbt/

>>33970923
he means he cant be fat if he doesnt have food

>>33971157
The biggest problem they would have aside from just disease would be that they would have no means of dealing with a situation where the Romans would simply decide to hunker inside the cities.

Rome in particular had two sets of massive walls that were thick enough that handheld explosives wouldn't be able to damage them unless you tried sapping them (incredibly dangerous and likely to fail), and an unsupported SF unit would have no way of maintaining a siege against a continental empire out to kill them.

If the hypothetical SF unit decided to bring the fight into the cities themselves, they would void their greatest advantage by allowing the legions to fight them in close quarters where the legionnaires have a massive advantage.

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>>33969786

>>33971223
>ignoring "daily"
>cut up the post to move "unheard of" to refer to marches instead of hard labor

absolutely pathetic intellectual dishonesty.

by the way, they do these marches every day, and then they had to built a night camp. just to qualify as a legionnaire they marched ~25 miles in 5 hours while fully loaded for multiple days.

historical records document cases of forced marches that far exceed these distances.

>>33968869
There was an American comic about time traveling with a shit ton of gold, Humvees and Apaches as well

>>33968578
I'd go back to bongistan in the 1700's and teach them how to make AR's and live the rest of my days shooting baguette's and living it up with my new redcoat bro's

>>33971878
>1700's
>teach them how to make AR's

Better teach them how to bring their metallurgy, chemistry and all of the accompanying industrial complex up to ~1960 levels real fast, too, or all you're going to accomplish is getting executed after the prototype that cost them a fortune to make doesn't work because they simply can't work metal to the required tolerances, and even if they took the painstaking effort to hand-fit everything to work together, the bolt lugs would shear and the barrel would burst because of the shit steel they used, and even if by some miracle it survived a shot or two, the thing wouldn't cycle because the anything you managed to scrape together for propellant was shit, the cases were shit (if you even got someone to manufacture something that would work as a case), and the accuracy was completely all over the place because surprise, people in the 1700s can't manufacture a .22 caliber rifled bore or a jacketed .22 caliber bullets consistently for shit.

>>33970167

butthurt .223 owner detected

enjoy your varmint round

>>33969015
I consider the majority today to be manlets.

The soldiers would be about the same size as you and hard as nails, having killed all their lives.
Not shooting killing neither but stabbing and spearing and punching and bludgeoning.

Roman soldiers served for twenty years.

>>33969695
> White race
> Romans

Pick one

>>33972169
Romans were pretty white, Sicilians are a bunch of eggplants.

>>33972088
Fag

>>33968578

>How would ancient civilisations react if you time travelled back with a full modern day Special Forces loadout with ARs?

they'd probably all fucking die since you'd be taking two thousand years worth of diseases right into their cities.

>>33972584

Since the Romans don't have any effective means to combat either bacterial or viral infections, you won't do shit because the modern strains will be no more effective against them than the ones they already have to live with.
You could fuck up modern society pretty bad if you introduced a ton of antibiotic and antivirotic resistant strains overnight into it, but a society that can't treat the infections to begin with won't even notice.

>>33970027
To be fair, she's a demigod. Death will only slow her down and she swings a giant axe around like a toy.

what if rome vs 5 apache helicopters, 3 m1 Abrams, and 2 SF squads?

>>33973256
>no fuel
>no ammo

literally lion food

>>33969057
>between 5'7" and 5'9"

So, manlet territory.

>>33968840
>Enough arrows or sword slashes will shred your armor

Wut?

This thread made me realize that some people on /k/ are the dumbest motherfuckers alive.
And they let you operate fucking guns?
Jesus christ.

>>33971878
Sign me up, I'd fucking pay to do this

>>33975778
>/k/unts
>dumb

shocker

>>33971357
You're still wrong, modern infantry hike farther while carrying more weight. A sword weighs what like 8 lbs? A rifle weighs that much plus the 30lbs of ammo you need.

>>33969894
Man you are retarded.

>>33976598
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_march#In_the_United_States_Armed_Forces

>They then progressed to the "faster step" or "full pace"[3] and were required to complete 24 Roman miles (35.544 km or 22.086 modern miles) in five summer hours loaded with 20.5 kilograms (45 lb). Training also included some forced marches of 20–30 miles, often followed by the construction of basic defences for an overnight position.

>In order to gain the Expert Infantryman Badge (a further qualification for existing infantry personnel) candidates must complete a ruck march of 19 kilometers (12 mi) within three hours, carrying a rifle and load. The total load (including the rifle) may be up to 31.75 kilograms (70 lb).

It is unclear if the 45 pounds includes armor, but if it doesn't, then the Roman load can easily match the modern load. The Romans marched close to twice as far, then they had to construct defenses afterwards, and they did this for multiple days.

Stay wrong.

>>33972394
Not that anon but being a Roman citizen had little to do with your ethnicity and a lot more to do with how you acted, and whether you played the part of a loyal roman.

That movie Ben Hur is actually a good example of this. Ben Hur was a jew. His brother, however, was a Roman.

>>33976620

epic comeback

>>33976598

more proof of your wrongness

http://www.unrv.com/military/legionary-weapons-equipment.php

>t's been estimated that a Legionary could carry anywhere from 66 lbs. (30 kgs) to over 100 lbs. (45 kgs) of gear and weapons.

>>33968578
Watch the movie GI SAMURAI 1979 (or Timeslip) to get a pretty good idea of what would happen.

Why couldn't GATE have been that movie but with magic and shit?

>>33976629
>45lbs vs 70.
>22 miles in over 7 hours. (Summer hours are longer 12hr vs 15)
>Thinking after a march you won't fill sandbags or dig a fighting position.
Man, I can SMELL the noserve.

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>>33976695

>>33976692
>45 vs 70
see >>33976656
wrong again

>>22 miles in over 7 hours. (Summer hours are longer 12hr vs 15)
if you actually read the link, it estimates five Roman summer hours as six timed hours

>Thinking after a march you won't fill sandbags or dig a fighting position.
not for that qualification listed, you don't

as usual, "serve" is synonymous with "stupid"

>>33976639
So humans have changed from less than 2000 years? A physically fit modern man could easily be in the SPQR.

>>33976703

obviously. evolution has not stopped.

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/27/226837803/modern-humans-still-evolving-and-faster-than-ever

and as many anons mentioned already, ancient humans had a physical workload that modern humans cannot even comprehend. why do you insist on wallowing in ignorance?

>>33976702
Super wrong.
http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/weight-of-war-gear-that-protects-troops-also-injures-them/
Back to >>>/tg/ with you.

>>33976620
Faggy cosmopolitan detected. Those Roman soldiers would snap you in half.

>>33976718
>reads npr trash.
>paleo diet.
Stopped reading there. Here's the thing, with modern medicine, nutrition, and muscle training regime's a modern human would be a fucking MONSTER to the Romans. Any sort of hard labor you're talking about usually killed people before they were 60, and not speaking of diseases and malnutrition.

its rome its more about flaunting your weapons and fucking you way into power

>>33976728

wrong about what? point out something in that article that contradicts what i said in the linked post. at least point out the part from the link that backs you.

goddamn you are retarded.

>>33976746
Try a Kansas farm boy/retired Marine.

>>33976755
>Stopped reading
There's your problem.

>multiple thousand word article has three mentions of paleo-diet, all in a single paragraph at the beginning
>ignore the entirety of the article discussing the ongoing evolution of humans, a point which completely fucks your pretend-incredulous question about humans changing in the last 2000 years
The retard just keeps on digging.

>>33976767
>retired Marine

ding ding ding

>>33976767
A single Roman soldier could fuck you so hard, it'd be a gang rape.

>>33969146
>do you think a force designed to go back in time like this should wear some kind of modernized plate armor or some shit? What would you arm them with?
I often think about this it would make for an entertaining video game.

What would be used for weapons, assuming the following conditions, the modern side does not control however they access the world that resembles the roman empire. Because they do not control access they can only send small groups and travel is only possible for a small period of time say once a month. Assume for plot reasons it's extremely critical operators complete some mission on the other side but the objective makes it impossible to just nuke them.

Assuming the situation is so critical no resources will be spared, how would modern forces adapt?

>>33968578
wanna know something 100 times more valuable than an AR? Solar powered pocket calculator. You'd be a god among men.

>>33976755
>Any sort of hard labor you're talking about usually killed people before they were 60

You're fighting 60 year olds?

There is significant evidence that pre-historic humans were stronger than modern humans, and they had no medicine and nutritional knowledge. They didn't train because their daily life is hard. Romans had to work just as hard to get by in life. Modern training is nothing compared to life-long rigor.

>>33976758
>>33976775
>>33976780
http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/archive/index.php/thread-15616.html
Here is some historical reinactors to school you retards. And the Marine Required Reading List includes a LOT of military history, so fuck off.

>>33976813
Prehistoric? Like 10,000+ years? Maybe.
2000? No. A physically fit modern person could fit right in, except he would be taller.

>>33976823

literally everything in that thread contradicts you, and backs my points. did you even read it?

>On a more realistic scale, estimates range from 48 lbs. to 43 lbs. (60 Roman pounds) stated by Vegetius, excluding armor and weapons
>excluding armor and weapons
20-25 pounds of weapons and armor brings that to 70 pounds

>We did experiments up on the wall early in the decade and found that the with the armour and packs the legionary would be carrying the same as a Marine yomped accross the Falklands namely 55Kgs
55kg is 121 pounds. And the Romans marched longer, as shown earlier in this thread.

>And the Marine Required Reading List includes a LOT of military history, so fuck off
reading is different from understanding.

dumbass marine stereotype fulfilled once again

>>33976767

>18yo farm boy taught to kill with an M16 with modern tech.

> 15yo farm boy taught to kill with a short sword and spear with with low tech.

A basic Roman Legionary would gut you, and probably 90% of all modern forces without firearms one on one.

>>33976831
>A physically fit modern person could fit right in

I like how you just state this without any proof whatsoever. All the data on Roman training, marching and loading contradicts you, but you just don't care.

Even the thread you posted with the re-enactors stated that they cannot last two days of the documented march lengths that Roman legionnaires performed regularly.

>Its another "stoned teenage sandwich architects and *retired* E-3 toilet cleanliness technicians think they're military historians because they can use Google" thread

>>33972738
Injuns.

>>33976915
you could just go to a different thread

>>33976656
Is that the minimum to maximum range, or a window of the theorized Maximum weight range?

>>33976883
>Posts reenactor thread for accurate equipment weight.
>LARP'ers cant into 24/7 soldiering.
Holy fucking dogshit you're dumb.

>>33976859
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ancient.eu/amp/1-11830/
>average age 18-20.
WOW. It seems that the Romans did the same shit modern militaries do!

>>33968869

>unfortunately

kek

>>33970855

also Varus don't trust Arminius he is a barbarian savage and probbaly a traitor as well :DD

>>33976857
>Reads page 2.
>We find it unlikely that this was their normal load.
https://books.google.com/books?id=LfRiXN5hhCUC&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=roman+equipment+weight&source=bl&ots=vzzA9WXz1o&sig=tc7J8Gnj8aV7DxFj4sGG5y8T5DA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidsoD_hPTTAhWD5CYKHUaoBKE4ChDoAQgcMAA#v=onepage&q=roman%20equipment%20weight&f=false
>low end 45lbs >high 96lbs.

>>33972738
>t. Native American

>>33977067
>>33976920

It worked on the natives because they were isolated from the rest of the world.
The Roman civilization was made up of people from half of the world and regularly receiving goods and visitors from further off still.

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>>33968692
>kill you in your sleep

Why do so many people seem to forget that bows and crossbows existed? One small unit volley even at rifle range and you're done.

They would just think "this guy dressed like leaves with a hand cannon is being an asshole, kill him!"

>>33968598

>>>/r/eddit

>>33968578
That depends what you're doing
If you behave they will probably give you funny looks / ask what you have there in English you can barely understand (assuming late Medieval England in this case) and they'll probably think it's pretty cool, but they already had firearms at that point.

The English will probably send an army of longbowmen after you and you'll probably get a few before you die in a hail of arrows/get ambushed and get an arrow through the face at close range.

>>33977195
They will send an army after you if you start killing people * I meant

>>33977149
That graph is bullshit
Many advances happened between Rome and the Renaissance
"Dark Ages" aka Migration period just implies that not many written records survive

>>33968578
No. They would figure out you have limited ammo.

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>>33977149
>tries to quantify "scientific advancement"
>no units
>no sources

>>33968578
you could bluff your way to get what you want, but much like the indians did to cortez they would probably call your bluff and attack you.

>>33969082
oh surely they could live off of lead-laden wine for a time

it'd be practically the same as we all are now

>>33970712
Natives caught on eventually, it's only magical for a little h'while.

>>33971252
sometimes SF guys bring a trailer full of LAWs or AT4s with them though.

>>33969626
professional soldiers and noblemen who trained from their youth to be soldiers wont be weak

>>33969695
>Italians
>white
Okay

>>33968864
This tbqh

>>33972088
Humans are varmints. In a way. Like you. Pest

>>33976808
>the meek shall inherit 5% of gross as payment!

>>33977057

so what then? the low end estimate with armor matches the modern load, while the high end far exceeds it

whats your point

>>33969786
>Remember that in Vietnam the GIs would ditch the jam-o-matic M16 for proven reliable AK-47s
No lmao

>>33968578
I'd help them stop Islam before it gets too popular

>>33969836
There were others, there was also an awesome movie called GI Samurai.

>>33968578
More useful would be some history books to learn those aqueduct-niggers some knowledge of the future

>>33968611
Shock and awe would go a long way. Look at Cortez and the Aztecs.

>>33977149
you can say the same of any "dark age" of any society after any war

>>33968840
Technically yes ENOUGH slashes and stabs from Romans would get through IIIA. It'd've dulled dozens and dozens of blades doing it but sure, ENOUGH of anything will kill anything.
A few puppies lying on me would be fine but 100 puppies lying on me would probably make it hard to breathe, yes.

>>33976808
oh ya? what useful thing are you gonna calculate that i cant do in my head?

>>33982232
6 x 70

>>33968840

Dude it's proven, recorded fact that average humans of today, especially in developed countries, are bigger than ancient humans, or even a few centuries ago. Most of it is chalked up to available diet and exposure to diseases and illnesses during development that could impact growth

>>33969531
>Poor diets
>No concept of sports medicine
>No modern medicine to account for injuries, preventative and otherwise.
>On average smaller
>No concept of muscle building or weight/endurance training
>Implication peasant work makes one strong

>lol they just worked really hard all the time they'd totally kick our asses guys!

>>33982990
>final greentext turns out to be true

joke is on you, retard

>>33969532
That made me laugh and at the same time taught me something new, good job mate

>>33982884
>Dude it's proven, recorded fact that average humans of today, especially in developed countries, are bigger than ancient humans, or even a few centuries ago.

Actually, that's not particularly true.

there are a select few countries, the Netherlands, for example, where average height is significantly more. (average in the Netherlands is something like 6'1" now.).
there are a select few countries where average height was significantly less - feudal era Japan, for instance, while modern japanese heights have risen to about the global average.

but evidence from skeletal excavation has shown that on average, people were not really that much shorter in the medieval era, for instance. The average male height in the UK is about 5'9" to 5'10". bodies from the burial finds at Towton (mid 15th C), the average male height is about 5'8" - just an inch or so less than the modern average.

the point where people were growing up stunted wasnt the medieval - it was the industrial age, when there were cramped, unsanitary cities, with insufficient infrastructure to allow fresh produce into the cities for consumption. Net result; awful diets, and malnutrition.

>>33968578
>have the ability to control time
>go back to a shitty time and get killed