Black Powder

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Anyone know of anywhere to get reloading gear for a beaumont rifle, guy i know has one hes asking for 300

>>33572176
>Brass frame

Being a cheap bastard apparently. At least it's an 1858 though.

Guilty. I'm a cheap fuck. I did end up paying less than 200 before tax at least. Been selling stuff on the local craigslist like crazy to make it happen. Even all of my snowflake brass for funs I don't own.

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Armi San Marco 44 cal reporting in.

I have a shopping cart on Amazon with a poncho, sheepskin vest, and leather hat.

I'm not sure if I'm ready to go all in on spaghetti western yet but it's an Italian pistol so I guess I'm already fucked.

>>33572430
I really like the engraving on that.

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>>33572176
Don't forget that the MIB's LeMat was converted to fire Colt .38 short.

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>>33572176
I did it too. Ive wanted a walker repro since I was 8. Its pretty fun to shoot (and pose with in front of a mirror)

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>>33572500
Close up for you

>>33572671
Really beautiful

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Armi San Marco 44 cal
I fuckin love it.
Also have a 50 cal CVA Wolf

>>33572430
They are the better made ones on the market.

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Do love me some black powders, pictured are a Colt Walker (Uberti) and two 1858's from Pietta, all in .44 cal.

I also have a double barrel howdah pistol in 20ga and pedersoli blue ridge percussion in .50.
Not sure if it counts but I also have a Beaumont Vitalli, although I've never fired it because ammo is about 80 bux for 20 and the reloading dies are 200.

>>33572859
Nice

>>33572859
That one in the middle is a work of art!

I'm upset I didn't get into black powder sooner. Measuring, pouring, loading each cylinder... It's so calming and interactive.

>>33572979
This!
I love how a single shot just bellows out a huge cloud of smoke too. Guys hate cleaning em, but I think its a relaxing part of the ritual.

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my "J. Bishop Warranted" .40" percussion pistol

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>>33573038

>>33573027
Yo gimme sum .40 bulits fo my gat

>>33572859
I'm mad jealous of that middle one.

>>33572979
>>33573000
Awww yeh, after a day of firing, taking them apart down to a screw and scrubbing them clean is total bliss. The smell when the cleaning fluid reacts with the powder residue is my fave.

>>33572633
duuuude isnt that an amt hardballer longslide chambered in 30carbine?

>>33573048
ayo mang we only got .375 will dat work fo' ya?

>>33573072
Yeah, its my token snowflake.

>>33573072
Correction tho, its a javelina, not a hardballer. Pretty much a hardballer minus the grip saftey.

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Pedersoli Howdah I mentioned earlier, had old pictures hidden. Love sending two .60 cal round balls downrange, but its finicky in the kind of powder it uses, it doesn't like substitute powder that much, but if I pour in 10 grains of FFFF Goex brand black powder and then 30-50 of any substitute FF then it fires every time

>>33573061
>>33573000
Yep. I cursed mine the first time I cleaned it but now it's a labor of love.

The smell of the powder igniting and the smell of the steam coming off the water during cleaning is intoxicating.

You guys ever shoot a target point blank? The scorch mark is amazing.

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>>33573104
Muh nigga

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I'm looking at getting myself a black powder rifle from Cabela's soon (gift cards, gotta spend em there).

Was leaning Pedersoli Pennsylvania Long Riffle. Anyone have thoughts?

for a beginner that will probably only shoot once every two years or so would it be better to get a flintlock than a percussion?

I'd feel it would be one less thing to buy on something I'd only dabble in.

>>33573999
Get a flintlock if you want a flintlock.

Get a percussion cap if you want a percussion cap.

>>33573999
A percussion revolver is definitely the easiest way to get into into the sport.

They're more accurate, faster to load, easier to shoot, and actually have fewer base components to each shot.

Percussion revolver:
-Ball
-Pistol powder
-Cap
-Bore butter (if you want to)


Flintlock
-Ball
-Flint
-Pistol powder
-Priming powder
-Wad
-Lube

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Love me some black powder

Currently have an Uberti 1847 Walker and 1851 Navy, as well as a Traditions Kentucky Rifle I built from a kit.

Also have pic related on order from MVTCo

Eventually wanna get a Trade Gun kit from Track of the Wolf, and either a P53 Enfield or an 1861 Springfield

>>33572198
Vitali magazines are sexy, I may get a vetterli or Beaumont just for that

There is an Uberti Cattleman for sale near me in .357, I wanna know if it needs to be on half cock to rotate the cylinder (like a colt) or if it doesnt (like a Ruger)

>>33573764
Can't really go wrong with Pedersoli. Go for it!

>>33576850
The cattlemans are almost identical to colts. The only difference I know of is the second notch in the cylinder pin that allows it to be put on "safety"

>>33577022
Thanks, I prefer the more authentic colt style over the rugers

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Can someone link a good, cheap, BP rifle kit? I'm looking for a beginner one.

>>33573999
Flintlocks fire more dramatically, so I'd get one of those.

>>33579229
If you want to fire dramatically then get a matchlock.

>>33579067
Beginner kit as in you just need to blue the barrel and finish the stock?

>>33581140
As in a disassembled gun I need to put together

>>33581181
That would be every rifle kit available. There's none that actually come with a finished stock as far as I'm aware. Most kits go for ~$300 and up, but you can find pistol kits for 1/3 the price sometimes.

>>33581181
I recommend looking at midwayusa, deercreekproducts.net, and muzzle-loaders.com. Check online to see if anyone's selling a kit in an estate sale or something near you for the best possible deal. Personally, I prefer the Traditions brand for any kits I buy.

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>>33576693

Fucking this. The Italian 1870/87 is damn near perfect

>>33583881
My god, I need one.

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5" 1858 reporting in

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This little girl has actually been my preferred carry pistol from time to time.

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>>33585731
How do you like yours? I just shot the DOTM FBI qualification with mine

>>33570014

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>>33585844
Did you do it two handed or did you shoot cowboy style? I swear these things are only meant for cowboy shooting sometimes.

>>33585844
Nice.

I haven't shot it yet, so i wouldn't know. Yuropoor here, so I'll never get the chance to convert it

>>33585926
Never say never. Things may change one day.

>>33585844
I got one of these from uberti and the hand spring broke immediately. My luck is shit.

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I've got an Uberti 1847 Walker and 1851 Colt Navy London. Here they are alongside my Cimarron Model P. The blackpowder pistols are great fun to shoot, but it's quite difficult finding ranges that will allow it.

What's the difference between conical and minni ball?

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1860 master race reporting.

Bumping for more BP fun.

so whats the deal with black powder substitutes?

i bought a pound of american pioneer (shockey gold) FFg substitute, and the granules seem really fucking big for FF. i wanna use this to load black powder 12 gauge solid brass for my ithaca. can it be loaded the same as goex or equivalent?

>>33591987
iiieeee, ya got me there. I have no idea.

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>>33583881
why are 1860's-1890s blackpowders so sexy?

>>33591987
>>33592658

Ok I've been looking at some of my info but it's to long to post here. You have an e-mail I can shoot it to?

>>33591987
>>33592781

Pyrodex is the most common "black powder substitute." It is really the only synthetic black powder "performance" substitute in common use. By performance substitute, I refer to a charge of loose powder measure by volume. A 100 grain volumetric charge of Pyrodex RS (Rifle/Shotgun) is very close in performance to Goex FFg black powder.

There are differences, though, and this is where things get a bit convoluted. Pyrodex is bulkier, another way of saying "less dense." By weight, it is more powerful than Goex black powder. But, the traditional method of measuring black powder is indeed by volume, so in that sense it is a black powder performance substitute.

By actual weight, it is not the same. 100 grains measured by volume of Goex FFg is about 101.3 grains by weight. 100 grains measured by volume of Pyrodex RS is about 72.5 grains by weight. Pyrodex is where confusion can start to set in, as the standard "F" designations of powder coarseness start to go out the window.

Pyrodex "Select," formulated for use in muzzleloading rifles, is touted as an "extremely consistent" grade of Pyrodex, and has the largest grain size of them all. It is even farther away from black powder by actual weight; 100 grains volumetric equals about 63.9 grains by actual weight.

>>33592696
They are all sexy Bro.

I'm gonna trip for this thread.

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>>33592827
I tried Goex Pinnacle back when it was still available. It worked well enough but I had to use a volumetric measure rather than a powder flask with calibrated spout. Even though it was advertised as FFFg the grains were far coarser and tended to clump up so they would not meter well through the flask valves.

Pinnacle was an ascorbic acid-based powder so I suspect moisture absorption was a contributing factor but the metering and clumping issues existed from the first use from a sealed bottle.

I've been using proper Goex FFFg powder for several years now and aside from the difficulty in finding it, it has none of the problems I experienced with Pinnacle.

>>33592827
I've never tried Pinnacle. So clumping is the only set back? I had one type, I forget what, but I just smacked the hell out of it and it was good to go. I do remember it was from an ol' boy that horded it in the basement. Anyway, it shot fine after beating the hell out of it.

Damn, I never knew this.....

* Pinnacle is a heat degraded ascorbic acid based powder as was Clean Shot
* Hodgdon sued Clean Shot Technologies for infringement of their Pyrodex technology
* As a result of the verdict, Clean Shot went out of business and formed a new company, American Pioneer Powder making the same ascorbic acid based powder
* Goex wanted in on substitute powders and contracted with APP to make an ascorbic acid based powder called Pinnacle
* Hodgdon had Pyrodex and in the meantime developed Triple Seven. Hodgdon Powder Company began to ship their new black powder substitute in February, 2002.
* In 2009,Hodgdon purchased Goex and had in their product line, Pyrodex and Triple Seven. Pinnacle was deemed to be a low revenue product and was phased out
* In addition, Hodgdon was aware that Pinnacle powder was nothing more than the same minor modification formulation of the old Clean Shot ascorbic acid based powder

Here is a recap of the law suit between Hodgdon and Clean Shot:
November 2001, Shawnee Mission, Kansas Hodgdon Powder Company announces that Clean Shot Technologies, Inc. was shot down by a jury verdict in a patent infringement lawsuit filed by Hodgdon.

A Federal Court jury in West Palm Beach Florida on Monday November 5, 2001 unanimously handed down a verdict in favor of Hodgdon Powder Company, Inc. and against Clean Shot Technologies, and awarded Hodgdon damages in the sum of $1,014,660.

The jury rejected all of Clean Shot's claims that the Hodgdon patent was not valid, including evidence of products claimed to have been made by the long defunct Golden Powder Company. The jury unanimously found that Clean Shot had willfully infringed Hodgdon's Pyrodex Pellet patent by copying and selling pelletized powder known as "Quick Shots". An injunction prohibiting further production and sale of "Quick Shots" was issued November 7, 2001.

Hodgdon will also file a post trial motion asking the Judge to increase damages up to three times.

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>>33592977
It's such a shame that Goex is so difficult to source—it's definitely my favorite to use. I can't find it locally, so I always have to pay hazard shipping fees on top of the price for the powder. Why isn't Goex sold alongside Pyrodex and Triple 7? Is real black powder just too niche in a world of substitutes?

>>33588610
Same happened to me. Hand and trigger/cylinder stop springs break like crazy.

>>33596182
Do you know where to get a replacement spring that actually works for less than 30 dollars? The uberti spring differs from other manufacturer's springs to the point that it sometimes fails to completely cycle when the hammer is pulled back. I haven't even fired the thing because it just feels unsafe right now.

>>33595380
Which caliber do you have for the Howdah? Do you use shot or conicals?

>>33599058
I 3d print shot cups and fill them with steel bb's. Haven't shot conicals out of it yet.

>>33601598
Forgot to say that it's 20 gauge.

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>>33595380
It comes down to the legal difficulties. Since blackpowder is legally an explosive, anyone selling it must be licensed as an explosives dealer with the BATFE and must have licensed storage containers. This is too much trouble for the niche market it serves so most big box stores only carry the substitutes which are classified as flammable solids - the same as smokeless powder.