/DOTM/ Drill of the Month/ Marksmanship

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>>33570014
Pic is current all-time leader with a 299, though is "open" class since lolsingleshot

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>>33570037
And this is the current "traditional" class (IE, actual pistol and not some monstrosity) lead with a 295, courtesy of some anon in AK with more time than he knows what to do with.

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>>33570014
All in favor of calling of the 3 target posts per month and going with unlimited say AYE

pic is rules

>>33570047
AYE.

Contender anon here, I've got M-W off next week, gonna farm the shit out of this (with a "real" pistol). May even re-shoot it with my Contender, that 299 is pissing me off.

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>>33570046

bretty classy m8, full baller, the USP45 target gets me a little excited too

>>33570046
>be me
>load up 75 rounds one evening
>shoot this target on my second effort

Stay salty my friend.

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Lee Enfield no1 mk3 from bench at 50 ft

>>33570076
I'm actually the Contender anon, just wanted to give props to great shooting. I've yet to run it with my 1911 so I'm really not sure how I'll do.

>>33570084
I don't follow

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>>33570109
This is offhand

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>>33570115
damn you full blown stealth mode, well fuck keep shooting and keep posting in either division, keeps us all on our toes!


Extra Credit Shootan (Stuff that us with access to draw from holsters and "speed shooting can explore for friendly competition, learning and entertainment) - Please feel free to suggest contributions!

http://pistol-training.com/drills/ball-dummy-drill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97v3JoMhjkg [Embed]
http://pistol-training.com/drills/bill-drill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQKXBttw5wI [Embed]
And of course - the standard metric: http://pistol-training.com/fastest

Suggest/relay shooting stuff whenever, you are always encouraged.

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>>33570109
>>33570122
Why 50 ft? Isn't it hard to quantify errant movements and habits at that range with a long gat?

no bully just curious anon

>>33570198
I was working on tightening up my groups. It used to be all over the black about a month ago.

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>>33570227
Well fuck that's so excellent progress sir.

Do you own a handgat? We'd love for you to join us in our shenanigans, or better yet, spearhead the longgat division of DOTM!

>>33570247
I'll be picking one up in 4 days

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>>33570014
Beginning dump.

>My best
>Technically open div.

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>>33570273
noice m8, what make/model?

Who's got the new handgat shooter copypasta? BRING IT

Here's mine.

get your "mental aggression" on, don't shoot with a weakling state of mind, pump yourself up, be confident, strong and deliberate.

I go so far as breathing heavy or jogging to increase heart rate, yelling at myself, generally just getting amped, you want control, power and an excited state of mind.

>>33570303
Browning Hi power mk1

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>>33570277
Next up, single action black powder Remington 1858 with a .45 cylinder.

Yes I used BP loads, yes it was smokey, yes a cuple of shots on the 10 second timed fire I was blind firing through a smoke cloud.

>Had to clean the gun every five to ten rounds to be able to remove the cylinder to reload.

>>33569914
That would be absolutely diabolical, get three people together fanning hammers.

>>33569735
>Haha neat.jpg
Thanks, I love me some black powder
Think the FBI would let me carry it?

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>>33570303
>>33570273

cont. cause I'm a tard

Get some snap caps and do the "ball and dummy" drill.

https://pistol-training.com/drills/ball-dummy-drill

For me additional things I do:

Make sure my trigger finger is positioned so that it is driving the trigger straight back and not apply pressure to the left or right side.

I use my support thumb to aggressively push on the frame of the gun and to the right to fight micro anticipation of the recoil.

Try to shoot at the apex of your breathing.

Make sure you have a very positive high tang grip with as much purchase on the gun as you can muster.

Squeeze with both hands right until the point where you shake - then back off a little.

Focus on the front sight and repeat in your head "press the trigger to the rear" over and over while adding incremental more force.

While not ALL shooting requires the break to come as a surprise - in the beginning and for shooting groups - yes you want the gun to literally surprise you when it goes off, use the above technique to achieve this.

Use the isosceles stance, on the balls of your feet, bent slightly forward but comfortable. Don't lock your elbows, also rotate your elbows slightly up to apply more grip strength higher up on the gun.

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>>33570315
>Think the FBI would let me carry it?

Maybe not the modern iteration, but the pinkertons certainly would m80

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>>33570315
Shit, forgot to say, it was a 237/300
>I said I'd do it, and here it is

>>33569938
Hey man, I carry this fucker so I believe you.

>USP best P
>P30 a shit

This is my official "Duty/Carry gun" submission since it's my EDC

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>>33570336
>MFW I work for Securitas
>MFW our office used to be a Pinkerton office before getting bought out

Fuck Sweden. That is all.

>Typical Fridayin A/k/

>>33570363
Why you gotta always gotta up better points, can't a modern nigga catch a break? ;___;

jk as always m80, you down for the post cap removal? I fuckin am, gonna wreck this shit, or at least flail around like a dangerous and unmanned slamfiring Taurus

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>>33570423
I am so fucking down. Every Friday is going to be a target dump.

>So fucking pissed that I'm in 3rd place right now
>Blaming it on having 20/40 vision
>When I get my glasses I'll fucking kill you all

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>>33570014
Is rimfire allowed? If so, I think I might come close to the record with my S&W 41. This thing is a friggin laser pistol.

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>>33570392
that's nifty, truly. Wish I did work that had history or interest or even fuckin relevance kek....

hey but no user induced malfs today, my brain is using hebbian plasticity and overwriting the bad data, finally, hopefully, mebbe......

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>>33570061
>that 299 is pissing me off.
Same here, I have an urge to crush your score but literally the only possible way to do it is so clear a perfect run.
Fuuuuuck your couch man.

>If you guys have never used balloons as 50 yard targets you're missing out

>>33570504
EVERYTHING is allowed.

If you shoot with something outside what would be considered traditional or modern "duty" or "every day carry" gear then you simply move to the open division. The idea is to measure scores via the intent of the design of the drill, in this case it's designed around a fighting pistol, but if you wanna use a rifle, a tricked out long barreled scoped .22LR - or whatever, we definitely don't want to run you off. In fact I would love spectating the more exotic gear owners battle it out with the space magic gizmos

>>33570504
DO IT! Open division is one point from perfect!

>>33570506
My nigger rigged 16 round USP45 mag ran like a Chevy today, it's now at almost 300 rounds with zero malfunctions and locking the slide every time, even with .45 super.

>>33570538
100% this, there is a certain charm to shooting a "Serious bidness" thing like an FBI qual with goofy bullshit.

>>33570506
>Hit the fire extinguisher

I feel bad for that guy just because those are a bitch to clean up after.

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>>33570606
Agreed, dude already had to fight for his life, now he has to mop blood and sudz or pay for it to be done? Should force the family of the aggressors to do it kek.

Welcome to DOTM! gonna play with us sir anon?

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>>33570629
>gonna play with us sir anon?

going to the range tomorrow with my 92FS and my new FNX45

>>33570583
You kept the original spring if I remember correctly? I would even consider gutting an HKparts baseplate extender set spring - just a thought, I'm not an engineer. Also if it works, it works don't fix shit not needing any fixes.

>>33570669
>92FS and my new FNX45

fuck there's already a 290 score with a 92fs and a 290 score with a RDS FNS45 tac - are you like...foreshadowing how hard you're gonna rock this?

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>>33570713
FNX45 tac*

>brain fart due to pure rage about FNS guns rite guys

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>>33570713
>are you like...foreshadowing how hard you're gonna rock this?

I didn't know it was a competition. I want to do it just to do it. I also passed the two images along to my gun buddy and suggested he try it. I would love to see what he can do with his Dan Wesson carry piece.

>>33570713
Don't forget >>33570277

>290
>92s with RDS

>>33570277
God that looks stupid.

>>33570753
>I didn't know it was a competition. I want to do it just to do it.

It isn't! Don't want to make it seem that way either, that said for the bantz and fun we've been doing some friendly dick waving is all.

In fact the real intent is to get /k/ active and on the range doing drills rather than plinking, helping anons build measurable baselines for them to improve upon. Something we need to work into the OP of these threads would be related to that - these exists for everyone and it's knowledge based with didactic intent.

Good on you for passing the criteria along - this is actually an insanely well designed drill.... rarely do I run into a drill I can't "trick" by just farming until I get an outlier "awesome" score.

>>33570785
Okay? Let's see your target.

>>33570815
I think he's mocking the gun's A E T H E T I C S

>>33570771
So someone help me figure this out, do we currently have 295 wheelgat EDC/duty leader and a 3 fuckin way tie at 290 for second place?

>autistic X ring tiebreaker counting inbound

>>33570392
>Fuck Sweden. That is all.
All there holes are occupied already anon.

>>33570047
N

>>33570931
you already burned two posts you really want just one more target post for the remainder of the month?

>>33570943
We're not doing that anymore

>>33570931
What are you bringing to the table today? Target?

>>33570882
Yep, and I'm gunning for a perfect score with a duty gun by end of month

>>33571127
>We're not doing that anymore

I know, he N was a NAY to the idea, so I was attempting to rationalize a polite response.

>tfw you realize we should have started with dot torture (probs too edgy) or something a little more accessible

I hope the lurker anons realize this is legit tough as nails, many of us are just dick waving

Fuck we need to start writing so /k/ metrics

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Casino drill DOTW when?

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>>33571146
Oh, well fuck that, overruled.

>>33571746
When you give me the fuckin target dimensions and distance it's SUPPOSED to be shot at so I can proportionally scale it to a 8.5x11 and adjust the distance.

Sorry not trying to bully but I asked for the digits last thread and you bailed

>>33571803
>Sorry not trying to bully but I asked for the digits last thread and you bailed

Did I? Sorry, probably didn't see.

You really can't shoot it on an 8.5x11, it's a fuckhueg target target. You can buy the targets here, Tom Givens the guy in the video came up with it and gets comissions if you buy the real ones like in this link.

https://shop.actiontarget.com/content/dt-2a-discretionary-command-training-target-version-2-a.asp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97v3JoMhjkg

The casino drill target has three variants so it mixes them up making it less predictable.
>7 rounds in a mag
>reload
>7 rounds in another mag
>reload
>7 rounds in another mag
>7 feet
>21 second limit

>>33571860
sry it's friday night im drunk and goin at it, if you convey to me the dimensions of the target (2'x3"?) and the distance I can proportionally relate it to something that fits inside a 8.5x11 - arrrrg this was what I first asked for kek

That said this will never be official DOTM because many anons cannot draw and shoot on demand from the holster - BUT we are gearing towards a club inside of this that will have access to these means. So do not leave us hanging, contributions is the thing to make or break us.

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>>33572240
>That said this will never be official DOTM because many anons cannot draw and shoot on demand from the holster

This made me chuckle because it's true. I have a few casino targets in my trunk, I'll get them for measurement maybe for tomorrow. That being said, I don't know how the fuck DOTM will be a thing if we cannot incorporate draws in our drills. That's like saying no drills with rapid fire, it's so...limiting.

>>33572331
It is but we have nebulous drills and popst, I actually encourage you to promote stuff you want to see shot, fuck i'll shoot it and post.

But the baseline DOTM - the thing that binds this huge spread has to be accessible, understandable and implementable for 99%.

>>33572356
Damn now that I think of it. Literally 99% of /k/ will never own a shot timer.

>>33572466

To rape your reality - there are 40 or less people interested in this topic on this board, we have kept it going for over 2 weeks now, and out of the thousands of people who visit /k/, about 40 can or will contribute

welcome, take a seat, you'll be here forever kek

>>33572506
>you'll be here forever kek

At least I have pf

>>33572515
true if you are farming knowledge... but pf ain't a friend simulator senpai, it's like doa for immediate feedback discourse

we gotta construct one here

>>33572539
>we gotta construct one here

100% on this. It wouldn't hurt if /k had a single "go-to" place for somewhat decent and constructive discussions on actually shooting and conceal carry related stuff.

While 4chan will never be able to have the accountability of a non anonymous forum, I think it's a pretty good idea anyways.

>>33572585
I know exactly where your angling, and franly we are in a great spot to take up the torch, I mean, I think that's the real intent of this since day 1.
Prob is (not a prob but an issue) overload of interested parties vs newbies.

fuck

so
drunk


fuck

Newfag to this thread, is>>33570014
supposed to be standard 8.5x11 sheet of paper?

>>33572585
Who knows, maybe accountability is over rated. just look at wikipedia

>>33570318
>repeat in your head "press the trigger to the rear" over and over while adding incremental more force.

For me, the phrase to repeat in my head is "front sight front sight front sight"
since I have the habit of trying to focus on the target.

>>33572863
>For me, the phrase to repeat in my head is "front sight front sight front sight"

That's funny that's what I do for both eyes open practical shooting

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21 or so ft with 50rds. How can I rein in my flyers?

Anyone else shooting this today?

>>33576610
Describe what you're looking at when you shoot, describe what you're doing.

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>>33576610
Here's my pasta, some other anons have some too.

Get some snap caps and do the "ball and dummy" drill.

https://pistol-training.com/drills/ball-dummy-drill

For me additional things I do:

Make sure my trigger finger is positioned so that it is driving the trigger straight back and not apply pressure to the left or right side.

I use my support thumb to aggressively push on the frame of the gun and to the right to fight micro anticipation of the recoil.

Try to shoot at the apex of your breathing.

Make sure you have a very positive high tang grip with as much purchase on the gun as you can muster.

Squeeze with both hands right until the point where you shake - then back off a little.

Focus on the front sight and repeat in your head "press the trigger to the rear" over and over while adding incremental more force.

While not ALL shooting requires the break to come as a surprise - in the beginning and for shooting groups - yes you want the gun to literally surprise you when it goes off, use the above technique to achieve this.

Use the isosceles stance, on the balls of your feet, bent slightly forward but comfortable. Don't lock your elbows, also rotate your elbows slightly up to apply more grip strength higher up on the gun.

get your "mental aggression" on, don't shoot with a weakling state of mind, pump yourself up, be confident, strong and deliberate.

I go so far as breathing heavy or jogging to increase heart rate, yelling at myself, generally just getting amped, you want control, power and an excited state of mind.

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>tfw new B by 1 point

wew lad

>>33570363


I AM COMING FOR U

>battle of the anons who will not compromise

>>33578971
>who will not compromise
Gee I didn't know those actually FIRED when loaded backwards...That's pretty impressive.

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>tfw ultra dweeb lucas halves my time on his drill

His face is even more punchable than mine

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>>33579054
NO COMPROMISE

EVER

FUCKING EVER

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Hey guys, recent hasguns here, and I figured I'd get in on this marksmanship general. Some friends and I gave the challenge a shot at the range today, here's my results.

For boring logistical reasons we did sets of 2x4, rather than the correct 2x5, with times appropriately adjusted. I'm pretty happy with 158/240 for a first try.

Questions:

-Do I score the shot that's outside the 5 circle? or do only scores above 5 matter?

-As you can see from the target, I really fell apart on the 3rd round. How do I keep things more together when firing so quickly?

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>>33572851
Welcome anon. The OP image is a version of the drill target that fits on 8.5x11 paper for printing.

>>33570047
Is the format for the drill.

>>33579573
Anything outside the 5 is a miss, and is not scored.

Practice, practice, and more practice.

>>33572851
Not to be a dick anon, but...
>Pic is printable target to use if you don't have B8's handy, and is scaled properly for standard 8.5x11" printer paper.
is literally in the OP you linked.

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>>33579573
First of all, so awesome to have you participate, and awesome work getting you buds involved as well. You sir are always welcome here.

>-Do I score the shot that's outside the 5 circle? or do only scores above 5 matter?

This is a 2 fold answer - most of us are cheap lazy bastards and have been using repair center targets, lacking the additional rings we have basically been scoring anything outside of 7 as 0, for you, anything outside of 5 would be 0 points (or negative 10, how ever you do the math)

>-As you can see from the target, I really fell apart on the 3rd round. How do I keep things more together when firing so quickly?

This is a complex answer, but I would start by practicing shooting in a rhythm , skip to 1:40 on this video - this might help you build that rhythm, or at least get familiar with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KanMzvFztbo

For me personally I build a very gradient like consistent increase in speed on the 15 and 10 sec shooting as my body gets comfortable in the recoil cycle as more rounds leave the gun.

>>33579654
Well, he asked and since the general consensus for dotm is to not be assholes, I did some overbearing spoon feeding.

>>33579686

I really like the idea of practicing with a metronome app. Next time I go in I'll try plugging my phone into my Howard Leights. Thanks!

>>33579845
Heck yeah anon, don't be afraid to keep us updated, that's the whole spirit of these generals, self improvement and involvement.

>>33579573
Also, how did you friends fair at the test?

>>33578971
>I'm still slightly ahead of you
AHAHAHAHA!
And next range trip I'll have my glasses and 20/20 vision, run run as fast as you can you can't out shoot me I'm the USP man!

>>33579573
Holy shit! That's the actual size of a B8 taret? That's nuts!

>>33579054
You've never used reversed bullets? Maybe your gun compromised and can't shoot them. Didn't you know flipping rounds makes them dumdum bullets?

>>33579573
>How do I keep things more together when firing so quickly?

First off, welcome to the club! It's good to have you here man.
When shooting the rapid fire you have WAY more time than you think, ficus on sight picture, do not pull the trigger until your sights are lined up and remember you need to see your front sight more than anything. Gotta slow down to go fast man, take a breath and just focus on smooth shots on target.

>>33570014
>Official NRA B8 targets for this qual

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VBZA7CE/ref=ox_sc_mini_detail?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1X8402DHAS76R

>>33580486
>And next range trip I'll have my glasses and 20/20 vision, run run as fast as you can you can't out shoot me I'm the USP man!

Ahh sheeeeiit, I'll def have to keep on my toes

>ammunition expenditure intensifies

>>33581125
>Wishing I could fire more than 150 rounds a week through my USP intensifies

Poor thing gets almost no use.

>>33579057
Don't worry, that nerd probably shoots the same drill over and over again and gets his best time for those ig followers.

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doesnt fit the OP rules but i figger i'll share this from last week

16" psa barrel

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>>33582790
Not bad. Stainless or CMV? Dot, irons, or magnified optic, and if so which?

I'm assuming benched? Setup?

Pic related is my 18" SPR with handloads, benched with rear bag.

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>>33582812
And here's my "varmint class" benchrest rifle. Not my best group ever but I'm very proud of it due to the comparatively high and variable wind I was shooting in. I really ought to find a nice calm day to go shoot bugholes with it.

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>>33582812
same setup as pic related, prone, no extra shoulder support, CMV 1/7 (surprisingly good group for 50gr)

>>33582900
That is an EXCELLENT group then, one to be proud of.

The AE 50gr Vmax load is a known shooter btw, and handles fast-twist barrels like a champ. People grossly misrepresent the effects of twist rate on rifle bullets, and while a 1:7 may be slightly suboptimal from a raw accuracy standpoint you're not gonna see it until you're into the premium cut-rifled barrels on accurized boltguns shooting off a bench. Hell I've shot as light as 38gr bullets through my 1:8 that produced >>33582812 with sub-minute results.

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>>33582957
thanks man.
Its only recently I've been shooting groups with the AR and I've always just gone by the layman's "fast twist:heavy load, slow twist:light load" rule. thanks for the insight.

that same ammo scored me some ground squirrels last weekend too

>>33579953

Friend #1 was trying out the Springfield shield .40. His shooting was alright, but we somehow lost track of 10 of his shots. I'm not clear as to where they went. 84/240.

Friend #2 scored a 134/240 with a Springfield XD 9mm. Nothing spectacular, but solid.

>>33583826
What would a passing score be, adjusted for your roubd count?

Also, thanks for reminding me that I should shoot this with my Shield 9

>>33583885

This is all adjusted for our 2x4 shooting style. So none of us passed. ;-;

The bright side is that there's nowhere to go but up!

And>>33583885 you should. If your wallet can handle the cost of .40...

>>33583982
>The bright side is that there's nowhere to go but up!
Good attitude!

I don't own a single gun in .40.

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>>33571803
>>33571860
This could easily be printed on six sheets of paper. Seems like a tough, yet practical drill. I guess that the goal would simply be completing the drill without fucking up.

I guess anons that aren't permitted holster draw at their range could modify to low ready or picking the gun up off a bench or something.

Can someone recommend a decent shot timer? You guys have convinced me it's time to pick one up.

>>33584506
>Can someone recommend a decent shot timer?

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?21214-Shot-timer-recommendations

The consensus is the Pocket Pro II as recommended by many including Todd Green. I have a Pocket Pro II.

>>33584506
>Swing by cabelas down on C street
>Grab a Competition Electronics Pocket Pro II from the reloading section
>Grab $20 worth of ammo
>Use cabelas.com/retailsurvey to get a coupon for $20 off a $150 purchase emailed to you
>Use cupon to get free ammo with shot timer
>Return timer if it sucks

>>33584581
Looks like I made a totally accidental good suggestion in >>33584584 lol

>I was just trying to be a jew with cupons

>>33584581
>I have a Pocket Pro II.

Cool. Feel like bringing it along next Friday? Won't the noise from other shooters trigger these things? I have zero experience with them.

>>33584633
Different guy m8, I'm the one that suggested you jew cabelas with the retail survey cupon. You need a receipt code to do the survey and get the discount, if you need one I keep all my receipts for that reason.

>>33584676
I must have some receipts somewhere. I'm in that place three times a week at least.

I'm going to need more small pistol primers and a scope for the new Savage.

Anybody tried the sellier and bellot primers? Gettin' pretty low.

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>>33584771
I use SB primers sometimes, they work fine.
What kind of scope are you putting on tge savage? I'll bring my model 10 FCP-SR on friday and we can compete

If you ever spend more than $130 you should be using the retail survey, it's a big money saver over time.

>>33584793
I'll probably get a vortex something or other. They seem to be decent for the money. Budget is sub $300. I'm open to suggestions.

The worst part is that I have three nice scopes sitting around doing nothing, and the strongest on is a VXII 2-7X33. I can't bring myself to mount it as it will just look too fucking retarded on a heavy barrel target rifle.

>>33584835
SWFA SS fixed 10x is my suggestion, I have one if you'd like to try it out

>>33585004
>SWFA
I was trying to remember what they were called. I've seen them mentioned for "budget" long range builds.

I'll probably just sell one of these other scopes and buy that.

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>>33585049
It's mounted on my CZ455, you can use it Friday and see how you like the clarity and magnification

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>>33585049
Remember that crazy dirty .45 brass from >>33570315 ?

Cleaned right up!

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>>33583826
cool! drag them out again for more DOTM shenanigans

>>33571860
Just bought 100 of these because Tom is the man

>>33584506
I think +1 second for folks without a holster (or unable to draw from one), starting from the low ready is fair, anyone else have thoughts on that?

>>33584633
They generally have adjustable sensitivity so you can make them work in most circumstances.

Nice to see you longgat guys taking advantage of the thread too, dry the FBI bull qualifier in the "open" division with your rifles!

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Gonna try and knock out my first attempts today, but it's also supposed to rain. We'll see what happens.

>>33586910
Do it! Do it! Do it!

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>>33586910
Awesome sauce m8, good luck!

>>33586910
Have fun anon

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>30 MPH gusts today

yep shootan was kinda off the table, but hiking in the wind is viable

>>33584581
>>33584584
>>33584593
>>33584633

I use a pocket pro II - cost effective and works, has all the adjustable features I could imagine I would need

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Well, my 299/21x was bugging the fuck out of me so I re-shot with my Contender today.
>300/28x
>both non-X hits were during the "10 second" (2 seconds a shot) string at 15 yards
yay.

Also shot it with my bullseye 1911 for the first time. It was embarrassing and I immediately trashed the target. Gonna have to practice at 25 yards, I had 2 completely off paper.

>>33590264
>Also shot it with my bullseye 1911 for the first time. It was embarrassing and I immediately trashed the target.

It's nice to know you are human.

Nice job setting the "open" bar sir

>>33590393
I mean, I still qualified, but just barely.
>I think I had a 227
I'm not used to shooting that thing past 50 feet, it was hitting high, and I'm not used to shooting on such a tight time window.

>>33590393
Oh, also.
>think I should keep trying for a perfect 300/30x?

>>33590540
You should def keepp participating bro, how ever you want to.

For me it's more interesting to see how people run this qualifier with a "fighting" or "carry" pistol, as that is the metric established for it - But I don't want to discourage your contribution though, just keep doin you bro

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>>33590264
Mother FUCKER

>The only way to beat you is a perfect 30x
>I have no magnified optics sutable for handguns

I'm channeling some autism next friday. One of these guns has to work. Maybe my Tanfoglio Witness in .38 super

>>33590906
I get the competitive spirit, but if you want to win the open just bust out a rifle

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>>33591044
That would be cheating. Once I get my glasses the Dan Wesson should do.

so are we still limited to 3 targets per gun?

>>33591296
nope, shoot and post and repeat.

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i did better with my fns9 and 10.3 but worse with my fnx and 14.5

still shooting it like i would a 3gun match, i need to actually try and practice.

>>33591296
We lifted restrictions to promote content.

Mind reposting your targets? I'm trying to build a mental map of the standings

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pulling the gun down with the rifles and with the pistols, i'm just shooting too fast for my skill set

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>>33591393
sure, i just made a file and renamed all my pics to keep track of progress

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I was hoping there would be more posts after the weekend!

Wtf anons

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45 holes are too big and i can't tell how many bullets went in each ring, it's annoying and the solution is to put them all in the x

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i also figured out why i had a ftf(feed) last time, the steel cased ammo seems to stick in my mags, guess i need to go back to brass

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>>33591296
swing away

>>33591426
I think you may be scoring the targets wrong.

A round clipping the ring always receives the higher point value. That target is better than 259.

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>>33591430
me too m8 - hard to quantify if we are doing too much or too little.

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>>33591493
oh, yeah, i score it where the majority of the hole is.

>>33591469
That sucks, are you using Pmags? I've always had good luck with Wolf in mine.

>>33591426
Question:
>Are we considering MRDS pistols open?
They technically have an optic, but in the spirit of combat/duty guns they're definitely suited more for carry than a race gun.

>>33591446
Snap a photo every string? It helps me

>>33591477
>I'm only 2 points ahead with my USP
Oh shit

>>33591426
>>33591493
Yeah his shit's all fucked up.

giddy breaking the line with the "carbon or grease" ring earns you the points of the higher catagory, so you have some recalculating to do.

>>33591530
Yeah, this is done with bullseye rules, if you cut the ring you get the point. Think of it as clipping the edge of a steel popper and knocking it over.

>>33591532
>They technically have an optic, but in the spirit of combat/duty guns they're definitely suited more for carry than a race gun.

people EDC a RDS fairly commonly - as much as it's not my style that is duty/carry division.

>>33591532
>>Are we considering MRDS pistols open?

I would say optics fall into open class.

>>33591572
I see lots of guys with RDS on their carry gun, in this instance I would say it's up to the user to "be on his honor" and say if it's something he could EDC or carry on the job or if it's a range toy

>>33591572
As a competitive shooter I want to agree, but >>33591567 has a point. This isn't about being 'fair', that's a legitimate feature on modern duty and carry guns, if it gives you an unfair advantage you should use it to win.

>Just my opinion, not saying that's how we should run this
>If it was a race pistol or something impractical for carry like >>33570277 I would definitely agree with you

Looks like we need 3 cats gents

STOCK
LIMITED
OPEN

I'm down, thoughts?

>>33591530
u scored this all wrong u nob

>>33591656
>Stock/Irons
>Limited/Enhanced duty
>Open/Range toys

I'm down

>>33591532
i consider my fnx open devision

the the problem was was my pistol mags

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>>33591532
I only sportingly challenge you because I want us HKtards at the top of the pack when the month closes out

>>33591764
redo your scores, you totally shit the bed on the numbers

>>33591792
No compromise! Gotta fuel eachother.

>>33591764
I respect your decision, good form sir. Although I do consider your pistol a modern duty gun and far more practical than open division implies.

>>33570014
What's the current scoreboard?

>>33591989
whelp it's a shitshow of scoring atm.. I or no one else has been on top of the scores

there's like 2 or 3 guys with a 290 in stock

there's a guy with 299 in open

also there's now a limited division, I think 290 is the top there too

today's scores are

14.5-281
10.3-293
fnx45-269
fns9-265

>>33591989

I count

>>33570046
295, Stock

>>33590264
300, open

>>33570277
290, open

>>33570363
287, stock

>>33584506
287, stock

>>33591426
Needs to fix their scoring shit/300, Open

>>33591477
285, stock

And one asshole with a 290 in stock using a Beretta

>>33592087
good on ya for the re-tally

>>33592101
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu I forgot about your nasty wheelgat score

side note: umm some longgat guys gotta get in here and do 30/30 in the x or else this pistol dweeb is gonna walk all over your dick

>>33592153
>your nasty wheelgat score
That wasn't me, but I was there to see it. I have a feeling he's not getting passed any time soon.

>>33591764
>the the problem was was my pistol mags
That's weird, you're sure it was the steel case and not just low powder in the ammo that caused the issues?

last week

14.5-285
10.3-288
fnx45-284
fns9-226

>>33592199
when i was removing ammo by hand, it mag would get stuck and i had to tap it.

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>>33592199
>That wasn't me, but I was there to see it. I have a feeling he's not getting passed any time soon.

Good because he's leaving little enough wiggle room as it is.

>>33591718
This has my vote.

>>33592228
me & reading comprehension are apparently at odds.

>>33592199
Yeah that's a stomping score, going to need a titanic ball buster to show up to challenge it

>>33592226
>would get stuck and i had to tap it.
Jesus, that blows. Does aluminum case give you the same issues?

>>33592297
I'm hoping I can beat it with my target revolver. Also, take a look at my USP target in >>33570363
Do you get the impression my sights might be off a bit? I don't want to blame my sights but I just installed them and I'm starting to question the alignment

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>>33592343
>Do you get the impression my sights might be off a bit? I don't want to blame my sights but I just installed them and I'm starting to question the alignment

fuk you are on a level not commonly discussed here.

I've always relied on the factory, do you have a bore sight? Does a bore sight for a handgat even work correctly?

I would imagine with the level of shooting you are at it would take an insanely good shooter or some kind of technical process to resolve.

my terrible, useless 0.02 cents kek

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>>33592443
Well shit...
I'll just put it on a bag and try it like that. This is the result of me shooting from my precision rifle bag with a pistol so it should work to diagnose and alignment issues.

I refuse to pay a gunsmith to install sights, I have a universal sight tool and needle files, fuck paying someone else to do it for me lol.

>>33592343
haven't tried

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>inb4 bully

I need a shitton of work on my handgun skills. Prior to this I spent an hour with my 92FS just working on accuracy. This is about what all of my results looked like today.

Pls be kind. I am trying.

>Calculated score: 102

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>>33593781
Anyone that's going to be a dick to someone who is trying to improve their shooting skills doesn't belong in dotm.

Good on you for trying the drill, it's far tougher than it seems on paper.

If I had to guess, you might be anticipating recoil and dropping shots. Have you tried any dry fire practice? It's really beneficial in most cases and doesn't cost a thing.

>>33593820
>Have you tried any dry fire practice?
I have snap caps for my Beretta, yes. I can do that sort of stuff.

How believable are pistol trainer targets? I was working on those today.

>>33593781
>FN
Now see, there's your problem.

Looks like you are flinching pretty hard, do you have any snap caps? Good on you for shooting it btw. Do you have a larger target we can see to track your shots that weren't on this one?

>>33593883
>I have snap caps for my Beretta
Are you loading them randomly into magazines to look for flinching?

>>33593901
I second this trick. It works.

It might also be worth noting that I've never used snap caps for my dry fire practice. They aren't necessary in modern, centerfire guns and will just slow you down.

Try pulling the trigger while balancing an empty cartridge case on top of the slide. If it falls off, you failed the drill.

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>>33593886
>there's your problem.
I need to aim higher with it, yes. Literally my second day owning that gun, though.

>>33593820
>you might be anticipating recoil
>>33593886
>flinching
Birchwood Casey seems to concur...
>>33593901
>Are you loading them randomly into magazines to look for flinching?
Mix them in with live rounds at the range, right? I'll totally do that next weekend.
>>33594003
>Try pulling the trigger while balancing an empty cartridge case on top of the slide. If it falls off, you failed the drill.
Really...

>>33594011
>Really...

Yes really. This is a very common trigger control drill.

>>33594011
>That target is meant for officer stance bullseye shooting
>Yes, mix snap caps in with live rounds, look at your front sight at all times, when you flinch you'll know it.
>Balancing a coin or empty casing on the slide or sight is fantastic for trigger control

You'll improve in no time, just keep at it and go watch a few dozen videos. Remember, front sight front sight front sight

>>33593781
>>33594011

Dude! Being willing to play and learn is the BEST characteristic you can posses, with that mentality you are guaranteed to progress 10x faster than the internet tough guy chad who is throwing his targets in the trash and swearing off DOTM rather than posting. (we know you are out there)

definitely take the other anons suggestions about dry fire and snap caps into play, to formalize it I suggest this drill: https://pistol-training.com/drills/ball-dummy-drill

It might be boring, but just rep it until it starts to come together!

>>33594011
careful reading too much into those "diagnostic" targets as they are designed for strong hand only traditional bullseye shooting

>>33585367
Sounds like a plan. It seems like the best scope considering my budget.
>>33585448
Those were filthy af. I have a small rotary tumbler at home that I've been wanting to try with stainless media. My vibratory one works well, but interested to see the difference.

>>33595452
I shot a 0.77" five shot group with my CZ at 100yds with it, I'm convinced it's adequate to 800-1000yds on a proper rifle.

I use a $19 discovery Channel rock polisher I got on clearance at walmart as a tumbler lol. It's water tight so I can rinse black powder cartridges with soap and water in it.

>>33592568
>I refuse to pay a gunsmith to install sights, I have a universal sight tool and needle files, fuck paying someone else to do it for me lol.

I'm terrified of fucking with factory sights because of exactly what you are dealing with.

Fuck duh, yeah a ransom rest is prob the easiest thing to do.

>>33570336
How has that fatass not accidentally shot himself?

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>>33596120
>I'm terrified of fucking with factory sights because of exactly what you are dealing with.
Being 3/4" off at 25yds? It will be fixed by Friday either way.

I really need a proper rest to test this stuff, a bag will have to do for now.

My file work on the 1911 must seem like suicide compared to this lol
Can't learn without breaking some stuff I guess

>>33596183
watcha doin here?

is that jig better than a regular vice with some flat or soft jaws?

>>33596183
also I have a GI type 1911 slide with a fixed front sight. any idea if there's enough material under it to cut it for a dovetail?

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>>33596205
Jig is a sight pusher, no hammer and punch just a screw and pushing tab. I removed the sight to file it down to adjust elevation, sight width, and profile.

You can see the jig in the top right corner of this picture

>>33596216
mmk any other thoughts on it?

i'm familiar with the idea. is it home-made?

>>33596232
I got it as a gift, I think they cost $30- $40
I have used it for at least five guns now, it has never given me serious issues and worked on everything from my S&W Shield to my Sig P228

>>33596209
The Colt government slide sitting in front of me looks like it does, but your gun might be different.

>>33596249
k

>>33596183
>Being 3/4" off at 25yds?

yep - autism and what not

>no shot timer? drag a friend(kek) or your mom out with a smart phone
How hard is to simply make a mp3 file with a countdown until you start and then a loud noise when it ends?

......................5...4...3...2...1...*whistle*.......*whistle*

I do it all the time for physical training, specifically Tabata or HIIT.

>>33597319
yep you can definitely do that

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>>33570014
The circled ones are my wifes. Did i do good, /k/? This was at 50m.

>>33597939
what rifle/sights, benched/prone/unsupported?

>>33597957
It was a handgun/Bersa Thunder380 with factpry sights. I used unsupported.

>>33597984
at 50 meters? That's insanely good, suspect even

>>33597939
>>33597984
Utter bullshit.

>>33597939
You got meters and feet mixed up m8

>>33601419
It's possible, never underestimate fixed barrel guns

>>33597319
Or just use the stop watch app on any smart phone ever?

>>33602340
Not gonna hear it over the sounds of the range unless you're able to jack it in to electronic earpro, which not everyone has and which cost half as much as a shot timer for the cheapest of the acceptable ones (Impact Sports).

>>33602432
Earbuds under your muffs works.

Also, what cattle packed range do you shoot at where you can't hear a buzzer?

>>33603239
Windy outdoor or any indoor range where I'm not the only shooter.

If you're at a calm outdoor range you might be able to hear it I guess, my phone doesn't go up very loud though.

>>33603727
Then how does >>33597319 help in the slightest?

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>>33597939
You lie like a cheap rug bitch.

>Five shots
>50yds
>USP45

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>>33606380
That flyer. If you can even call it that...

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>>33606661
Lol, it's a very selective crop of a picture to make fun of his obviously BS post, that wasn't my group.

>Blue
First group

>Red
Second group after adjusting for elevation

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>>33606738
>50 shots, 300 meters, Liberator .45 ACP

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>>33606874
seems legit

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>>33606896

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>>33606874
>Not all in the inside of the ten
Fucking amateur

>>33606930
HOW CAN I IMPROVE??

SHOULD I USE A DIFFERENT GUN??

SHOULD I MOUNT AN OPTIC????

>>33606948
>Liberator with a 6x scope
I want this now

>>33606738
that's nasty USPman

>tfw 50 rounds squirreled away in muh truck

weather, just stay nice for 6 more hours pls

>>33609694
Oh shit, I hope it works out for you.

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dotm - HELP

someone is working voodoo or blair witching me or some shit.

>they collected spent bullets from the backstop area
>ritualistically displayed them and even pushes some into existing bullet holes

am...am I gonna get shot to death?

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>tfw no drill to practice pistol whipping

Contender guy here.

I seem to have at least mostly fixed my "hitting low" issue. Pic is best 2 targets from today.
>the big one I really don't know how to score, it's not the correct format but close
Also I have no idea who fired the (I assume .40) that hit top dead center or why they shot my target but it clearly isn't a .45 hole.
>the other is a 294
Rear sight is bottomed out, I can't adjust it any higher even though it really needs a couple more clicks. Might have to file on my front sight a little bit.
>also my fiber optic bit fell out on the second shot of the day and I couldn't find it. Fuck.

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>>33611215
and I forget the pic. Fuck me today.

>>33611226
wew lad - excellent shooting anon

>>33611722
Thank you.

I really need to buy some proper B-6 and B-8 targets, the fucking target holders on this range are too wide for printer paper.

That or remember to take my cardboard backers with me, which would also make scoring a fuckload easier
>shoot SWC's
>no backer so it tears the fuck out of the target anyway

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>I'm coming you little fuckers
>Friday is judgement day

>>33596175
yeah that looks like a great way to shoot yourself in the foot

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>>33611226
>294/300
>Duty pistol
>With partial front sight
>suspicion intensifies

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>>33612957
>>33611226

It's gettin hot in here.

I spent my 50 rounds today on "practical" shooting

brainfarted the first string in the Tactical Conference 2017 Pistol Match Course of Fire, but shot it well so I'm calling it a new drill.

CDB (compressed double bill): 5 Yards, 2 8" diameter circles 1 yard apart, 4 shots per target from concealment.

>>33613718
>duty pistol
nah man that's a purpose-built bullseye 1911. And the sight itself is intact, just lost the fiber optic light pipe out of it. Little slower on target but still fully usable.

Also that's a cherry-picked target out of the 8 I shot today.

>>33613883
Copy that, carry on. I really should cherry pick targets, I'm only shooting one per gun.

>>33613840
I'm mad jelly of your "range". I have to either drive 3 hours to my farm (and deal with 6ft tall ragweed) or shoot at the high-restriction DNR range.

>>33613943
I've got a whole host of guns I don't shoot well enough to bother posting targets for, so I'm gonna farm the shit out of my good ones.
>tfw shot my Ruger MkIII today
>tfw shot a 144
>tfw also shot my JC Higgins Lightning (SAA-lookalike DA .22lr potmetal revolver) and did better than my "target" mkIII
I really ought to sell that thing and find a .22 I shoot well. It turned into a money pit and I'm not doing appreciably better with it.

>>33613948
Believe me I don't take it for granted, I grew up on the coast - being able to drive 5 minutes of of a small city and do fucking ANYTHING on public BLM land is definitely a treat.

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>>33591477
>that slight holster wear on the slide

hnnnnnnng

>>33614541
Is that a stock 92fs with aftermarket grips?

whatever it is - dotm approved

>>33614651
Looks like a WC Brigadier, so a $900- $1200 custom 92

>>33596216
I don't know why, but it never occurred to me to use a caliper to make sure my rear sight was centered. I should probably check, since I was hitting consistently two inches left at 25yd.

>>33614939
It works, but centered with the sight dovetail doesn't mean centered with the bore/POI so you still need to tweak it on the range

>>33614016
How do you fail at shooting a MKiii? Is it broken?

>>33570014
>You are encouraged to use your duty/carry gun
>25 Yards

>Tfw my duty and carry gun both have 12lb triggers as required by my job
>My job is pants on head retarded and thinks 12lb triggers are a good thing
I'm not even going to bother.

>>33618008
>12lb trigger

What is it? DA/SA or literally 12lb 12lb 12lb 12lb?

>>33618008
>I'm not even going to bother.
Seriously? You're not going to push yourself with a gun you're required to use? You realize that's why we make fun of cops for sucking ass right?

Just go do it, worst case you learn something and improve. I'm betting I could take your gun out to 100yds on a B27 target.

>>33618058
12lb DAO over and over and over.

>>33618120
If it makes you feel any better, I score 100s on our course of fire - timed strings of 2 and 3 rounds at 25, 15, and 10 yards - though they score it as any hit on a silhouette counts, so it's hardly a huge challenge. Could I keep it on paper at 100 yards? Probably most shots, but project gangbangers don't trade shots with me from the next block over, so I doubt I'll ever have to.
Sucking ass is inevitable with 12lb triggers though. I'd rather spend my time and ammo shooting guns I actually enjoy.

Consider this: The vast majority of police shootings happen within 20 feet, and most often involve point shooting for lack of time to aim. Those skills I practice with my duty, since our course of fire is stuck in the 1970s, along with the "semi-auto hair triggers are dangerous, we gotta give everything shitty DA revolver-esque triggers!" mentality that pervades my city administration.

>>33617892
>is it broken?
Defective. Rear sight dovetail was milled crooked and the sight is set as far left as it can go and still shoots to the right.

It also keyholes with anything but Gemtech's 42gr ammo.

>>33618008
>>33618212
it would still be cool to see you shoot it anon

>>33591477
>>33614541

nothin like $1,000 pistols that get used

Instuctions unclear, shot target on phone screen

Lads, how can I tighten up my grouping at around 100m when shooting 5.56? I'm at around 20cm grouping

>>33620493
Prone? Bi pod? Unsupported?

Picture of groups? The more you can explain/show the more anons can help

>>33620541
I'm pretty new to shooting, this prone, unsupported and i don't have any pictures of groups :(

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I only browse /k/ every now and then so I wasn't aware that you were doing this competition. Definitely like the idea and will be participating in the future.
This is a group I shot just a few days ago. Distance is 25 meters (27.3 yards)and shot by a buckmark urx. Opinions?

>>33618212
>Consider this: The vast majority of police shootings happen within 20 feet

Ah yes, the "It doesn't happen often so I'll use that as an excuse to never challenge myself" argument. Failure is scary after all, wouldn't want to do poorly at 25yds and bruse your ego, much better to intentionally handicap your skills to arms reach because youre too scared of not doing well.

Fuck you and fuck your mental gymnastics you giant fucking pussy. You carry a gun as part of your job, go learn to fucking use it and stop being a liability because trying is uncomfortable.

>>33620589
>I'm pretty new to shooting, this prone, unsupported

Prone is considered supported FYI.
Whelp very hard to help with such limited info, but maybe another anon will have some ideas.. Stick around

>>33620680
It's not formaly a competition anon, actually the priority here is community participation, that said yes some of us are taking this as an opportunity to push ourselves against each other, we will probably have an informal scoreboard tally at the end of the month as well.

Is that a pellet gun or some such? Not really familiar with recoiless shooting so can't really say anon.

Jeez I'm just useless....

>>33621187
Whoa whoa whoa, we're hoping to keep DOTM at least kind of civil anon, the idea is draw in more participants, ya know?

>>33579284
Trex Arms! Never see /k/ reference them. Got a iwb/nomad from them. Debating now if the appendix rig is worth it.

>>33621938
Lucas has the most punchable face is the history of time, but he can shoot, plus the throttle control drill is bretty well designed and his gear seems to work well for human skelingtons,

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>>33621187
This guy at 3 yards with my gun still in the retention holster worries me a lot more than almost anything else, besides getting t-boned in an intersection.

If it makes you feel better, I'll shoot over the weekend. Just to satisfy your autism, I'll post my duty and personal gun groups side by side just to demonstrate how much it cripples you.

>>33621787
Ooops, seems like I didn't express myself well enough. I knew that it wasn't a formal competition and actually like the fact that it is a community event. I just meant that next time i go to the range, I will try to shoot your drill.

It's a buckmark contour urx chambered in .22 LR, not a pellet rifle. It might not seem like a traditional pistol but that is because it is the precision competition model. It has a 5.5 inch precision barrel and a full length weaver rail on top. It is actually intended to be a host for a magnified optic, hence the full length rail, but i'm currently just using irons. I might add a red dot optic in the future but have no intention to ever mount a magnified optic.

>>33621187
not him but I'm strongly considering on using my 226 that has a 12lb trigger for the dotw, decocking after each shot.

>>33622142
Practice your draw. Firearms instructor here. We run a drill like this. You are hooded, the hood is ripped off, and someone is often bum rushing you with a knife. I can get out of the holster and on target at 3 yards, before he can swing. Most people freeze at first, don't forget TO GET THE FUCK OFF THE X

>>33622199
Hard to find places that allow you to practice like that, and our range certainly doesn't. Half the ranges around don't even like you shooting from the holster, but I do my best.

Wish they put us through Simunitions training more often - they put us through a similar scenario last time.
>Be onna corner with partner
>Sketchy guy approaches, "Hey Officer, I found this-"
>at 3 meters, reaches into jacket and pulls something out
>GUN GUN GUN!
>Partner stays on the X while drawing, gets sim'd right in the neck
>I duck behind the only cover, a stop sign pole, and dump 5 or 6 sim rounds into the instructor

They stopped doing Simunitions though. I don't know why, but it was legitimately among the best training I ever had - on other cops, they tried to pull an Amadou Diallo and "drew" a wallet.

>>33622165
Awesome anon! Print out some B8 repair centers and try to beat this magnificent bastard lol. >>33590264

>>33622187
That's neat anon, punishing on the "timed" and "rapid" stages it seems, good luck! Heck shoot it both ways if you can...All participation is encouraged.

>>33622142
What if you see him at twenty yards? Or he's thirty yards away and swinging on an officer? These pople don't teleport into your personal bubble, most police involved shootings happen at close range because police intentionally get close to threats. If you're purposefully training for only one type of encounter because "It will never happen to me" you are exactly why I immediately think less of an officer opening their mouth about firearms use.

Don't go shooting at longer ranges and pushing yourself because of my spergy bullshit, do it because having that capability might legitimately enable you to save another persons life some day. You're not just armed for personal defense like the rest of us, you owe it to society to be better with your gun.

>>33618212
You need to come one department to the east. Our DAK triggers suck slightly less than your DAO since they're 6.5 lbs. They only suck for rapid fire stuff because of the long-ass pull every shot. Why didn't you just go with the Glock 19? My friend is in your department, and now that his trigger is broken in a little more, I'd actually almost prefer to carry his 19 than my 226 DAK.

>>33622142
And be glad you still use 9mm. We use .40 for no scientific reason; it was louder than 9, so someone in charge thought it must be better. I shit you not. I think we may switch back to 9 soon, and once our new commissioner comes in next month, I'm hoping that we switch to Glocks or the 320. All the guys at FTU have 320s now, so I'm hoping that's a sign.

>>33621187
Not helpful. There are dozens of other threads for you to shit up.

>>33623184
If he's 20 yards away and closing, I'm ordering him to drop it and show me his hands until the threat is imminent, or I'll become the next posterboy for trigger happy police brutality because obviously he dindu nuffin was a good boy gon chop down some trees.

If he's 30 yards away and swinging on an officer, of course I'll take the shot if they're not rolling on the ground with each other. I know I can reliably hit a man size target at that range in center mass. Don't think I don't practice at all with my duty guns - I certainly do, especially since the job gives me free ammo at their range to shoot their course with, but the amount of improvement you can make with that trigger is very finite.

>>33623280
I'm out of this shithole as soon as I get a job offer down in Florida. They still do 20 year retirement, no state tax, lower cost of living, and some depts there even let you take your time in front.

>>33623813
Sorry for my attitude earlier, cops that find excuses for their inability or reasons to not train are a pet peeve of mine.

>but the amount of improvement you can make with that trigger is very finite.
Are you sure that's not just because you seem to immediately say, and I quote, "I'm not even going to bother"?

Get out and shoot the DOTM and report back man, I got faith you can drastically improve with a little practice, and at the very least it will give you more confidence with your duty gun.

Btw, there was a guy in the last thread that carries a 12lb NYC trigger G22 by choice, and he shot this drill without hesitation.

>By the way, I'm sorry your department sucks man, nobody should have to deal with that crap at work in addition to all the social stress that comes with your job

>>33623184
Don't want to derail the thread, but where in Florida? And do the thing allow straight laterals?

>>33624005
Lol, don't worry, attitudes being directed at me are part and parcel. Apologies for it are rare.

I've shot enough through my boat anchor that I'm fairly confident my skills with it have reached their plateau - or at least any improvement is miniscule compared to the trigger's impact. For all of their retardation, my job is generous with ammo when we train, and they don't go cheap either - the same primo gold dot +Ps we carry.
I still see improvement when I practice with my personal guns in my own time.

>>33624141
Nobody I've found does straight laterals, but starting from base pay isn't so bad with the salaries and costs down there. I'm looking around Broward to be close to the wifey's family. Fort Lauderdale closed their applications recently, but they look promising. Putting in for Hollywood and Plantation this weekend, and fanning out to all the little towns from there. There's a couple of sites which list all the depts in Florida by county, start with their sites, they usually say on there.

>>33624279
I'd consider going somewhere else if I could find a comparable work chart and pay. Those are the advantages here.

>>33624344
Pay-wise, I doubt you'll find better than what you get on the island. Even with our new contract, you still blow us out of the water.

>>33624279
>I've shot enough through my boat anchor that I'm fairly confident my skills with it have reached their plateau
I'd be very interested to see a side by side comparison of a targer shot with you duty gun and a target shot with your personal gun.

>>33624141
>>33624279

Just to chime in - as long as what you guys are talking about relates to shooting and shooting related knowledge - even in the slightest, you are welcome here. Frankly we need bumps and some fresh faces to keep the thread visible and interesting for the rest of /k/

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nice to see we are retaining ~35-40 anons, would love to see it grow.

No DOTM today, FURIOUSLY trying to make a clean run on the 2017 Tactical Conference course of fire, keep botching it like a fucktard on the 15 yard string - which is hilariously sad because all the FBI bull stuff should have prepped me for that exact kind of shooting, literally hate myself right now.

F.A.S.T are stable, but not going down, I can't do anything right

/blog

Looking forward to more targats posted from the coming weekend, I will make sure to do a run or two at it.

>>33570392

That's a nice collection you have going there. How long have you been building it up?

>>33626175
Two years serious collection, had three of them for longer, it's about 2/3 of my handguns

>>33570392
The "I will never improve on shooting" starter pack

>>33626374
USPanon is a strong shooter sir, while I might not agree with his methodology of training he's snappin necks and cashin checks

>>33626374
Oh my, you are just adorable. Care do defend your bullshit assertion?

>He has more guns than me
>Better be a jealous faggot and pretend it's a bad thing
>I don't like grapes anyway

>>33626458
It doesn't work for everyone, I'll agree with you there.

>>33626771
Different anon here.

While it may not be true in your case, it's fairly solid reasoning
>most of 4chan is poor because they are young and degenerate
This is immutable fact. Average poster age of 4chan as a whole is 19 and average age of /k/ is 20
>therefor it is a reasonable (if not correct) assumption that you have a fairly tight gun/ammo budget
While still an assumption statistical odds are on his side
>your arsenal already represents a lot of money, therefor it, statistically, represents a large portion of your budget
Again still an assumption but statistically likely
>this leaves little budget for training ammo, meaning fewer rounds per pistol, meaning less proficiency with any given pistol
Still going off the original assumption you don't have the money to train extensively with each, which is still statistically likely

And the secondary, time
>it is assumed you are employed
Your arsenal represents more than what NEETbux can buy
>it is confirmed you waste time on 4chan during daylight hours
I mean, you post here during times when the entire Western hemisphere is still illuminated
>therefor due to employment and 4channing you don't have the TIME to reach proficiency with each handgun individually, and spreading your limited range time across a wide assortment of handguns goes against muscle memory with a particular firearm

And I just realized I've been typing "you" the whole time instead of "he" but fuck going back and fixing it all.

>>33626928
Yeah, like I said, I realize it doesn't work for everyone. I shoot something like 1,350 rounds of pistol ammo a month and dry fire quite a bit, but my biggest thing is learning how to use experience with one firearm to improve with another.

This whole "If you use a 1911 you'll suddenly became a retard and try to load magazines in the muzzle of a Glock. " thing doesn't hold water outside of bleeding edge grand master levels of competition.

I also think it's important to consider the people that pick up a gun other than their primary carry and suddenly can't hit a barn from the inside and fumble reloading and forget the safety. I don't have that problem

>>33625635
Just wanted to comment, your recoil control is fantastic.

Also, expect more USP and S&W model 65 DOTM targets this Friday. I'm feeling frisky.

>My roommate just bought a S&W model 10 so he can participate with the superior weapon of real men

>>33626928,
>it is confirmed you waste time on 4chan during daylight hours
>I mean, you post here during times when the entire Western hemisphere is still illuminated

Joke's on you, I maximize use of my time by shitposting at work while getting paid!

>>33627151
thx m8 I look at guys like Cowan and Vogel and Sevigny and I see huge distances to advance, relatively speaking.

But then I see guys like Vickers run a handgun and I love myself, kek.

>Also, expect more USP and S&W model 65 DOTM targets this Friday. I'm feeling frisky.

BRING THE HEAT

The bar has been set pretty high, it's got me legit on my back foot with even tryin to catch up...I'm a participating observer at this point.

>>33626928
>>33627055
>>33627344
>Joke's on you, I maximize use of my time by shitposting at work while getting paid!
The days when I don't have the down time to fuck around with day /k/are are the best days, sigh

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Trying some shit at home since the last thread. Can't do the dummy drill until saturday.

>>33627941
nice anon, also just in general try a two handed grip and break the trigger, be aggressive and contain ALL movement. what you want it to feel out good paths of resistance and waste in your trigger finger movement and grip. Do it over and over until the failures present themselves.

>>33626374
More like the "This guy shoots better than you" starter pack. He's consistently putting up good targets, yet all you can do is run your faggot mouth.

>>33584793
A few clicks away from ordering one of the "demo" model swfa scopes. Are those high rings on that setup (look like Warne highs)? Wondering if I can get away with mediums...

>>33629943
That's a "Demo B" scope, I own two of them. Do it.

Warne tactical mid height rings, absolutely love them.

>>33629504

Reminder* we are trying to be a touch more amicable in these threads! I'm USPman doesn't mind some light ribbing

>>33630666
*I'm sure

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>>33630666
Whatever you say satan.

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>>33630886
For anyyone curious about the tactical conference course of fire:

Target: Two IDPA with 3x5s added to the head, targets spaced 30" apart

String 1 - 5 yards - Draw and fire 3 rds to the body on T1, then fire 3 rds on the body to T2, then 1 head shot on T1 and 1 head shot on T2.

String 2 - 5 yards - Draw and fire 3 rds on T1, dominant hand only, switch the gun to the non-dominant hand, and fire 3 rds on T2, non-dominant hand only.

String 3 - 7 yards - Begin at Ready, with only 4 rds in the gun. Fire 4 rds on T1, conduct an empty gun reload, and fire 4 rds on T2. *Shooter may transition to a BUG instead of reloading, his choice.

String 4 - 15 yards - Draw and fire 3 rds to T1, drop to a Kneeling Position, and fire 3 rds at T2.

Score is time + Penalties

-0 zone and 3x5 = no penalty
Head box outside the 3x5 = 1 second per shot
-1 zone = 2 seconds per shot
-3 zone and misses = 5 seconds per shot

It reads easy but dang those miss penalties are stiff

Sorry if I've missed it somewhere, but I'd like to join, but I've only got my durr rifle with me for a good few weeks, but on the upside I got some spare magazines and I could use some work on my unsupported shooting.
Should I start from a slinged position, or is low ready acceptable?
Should I play at the same ranges, or longer range?
If the target gets shot up bad, is it acceptable to replace it for the next stage, to preserve legibility?
Sorry if I sound clueless, but truth is that I am, as far as practical shooting goes.

>>33633098
>Should I start from a slinged position, or is low ready acceptable?

I'd say it's your call, just note which you do when posting results

>Should I play at the same ranges, or longer range?

Sane range is fine

>If the target gets shot up bad, is it acceptable to replace it for the next stage, to preserve legibility?

Yep, plenty of folks shoot a different target for each string to track their shots better

>Sorry if I sound clueless, but truth is that I am, as far as practical shooting goes.

Not at all bro, all good. Also this is the official drill for the whole month, so might be you get your hand gat in time! Either way feel free to shoot this qualifier after the fact and report in DOTM is here to stay!

>>33631981

Nigga should have done his follow up shots.

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>>33633355
yep he fucked up big time

>>33633782
Is that a fucking Draco?

>>33635498
si senior

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Sweet, we are primed for a new thread for the weekend, maintaining roughly 40 unique posters too, ggwp lads. Raise a glass to getting even more anons involved.

bump so the eurocucks and aussies don't kill us prematurely and we roll seamlessly into the new thread tomorrow.

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life support

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>>33636575
That's metal as fuck

>>33638093
The A/K/ crew can hold down the fort. Have 175 round of .38 special and roughly 150 9mm ready to go for today's shooting.

If anyone is a reloader, Accurate Arms #5 is VERY clean powder. Soak with a little Kroil and what little residue is left just wipes right off. I was even able to reload once fired cases without tumbling them, which is something I never thought I'd try.