/brg/ Battle Rifle General

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I dare you to show me an old school battle rifle that is more sexy than the FAL. None of this new fangled space age polymer shit. I want to see wood furniture

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>>33554527
Fuck what you want

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>>33554561
>we SPIW nao

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FAL a best :^

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>>33554656
About that...

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>>33554736
When I can pull a pin and two screws to change that into pic related then I'll start caring about the scar

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finally picked up my DS Arms 11in FAL after all this time yesterday

>>33554769
Get a short CASV and an FAL to SR25 thread adapter, then throw a 7.62 SFMB on it

>>33554087
>FRG on the man 2nd in on the left

"Not at their faces!"
"Yes, Sergeant"
>aims for the floor in front of them, ricocheting it into their faces

>>33554779
I was looking at either that or a mams

>>33554808
>mams
wdhmbt

Also what the fuck is wrong with the quad rail on it?

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Apparently the guy who makes Moses mags is back from his long hiatus.

Does anyone have any idea when Ironwood is coming out with FAL sets? I thought it was supposed to be the beginning of the year.

Where is the best place to buy a receiver these days?
>mfw didn't get in on the Imbel group buy because lol I can wait for the next one

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>>33554816
KAC MAMS pic related. there are panels you can put on it but they are all off right now

>>33554866
Oh I thought you mean an FAL rail

Whatever you do grab an adapter soon, I'm not sure how many the dude on the Files has left

>>33554878
alright thanks for the heads up

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>>33554808
>>33554866
MAMS brake is love
>do it senpai

>>33554527
Looks nice anon.

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My cetme with a vortex strike eagle.

>>33554769
What are those HGs?

>>33554808
Then your stuck with using KAC cans

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>>33554087
Just got this today chaps.

I'm sure this has been done a billion times but what are the pros/cons between say a PTR GI (woth paddle mag and rail) and an Imbel FAL?

I know everybody bitches about the mag button on the early-tier PTR, but I diddled one the other day and it wasn't bad, it just took full finger extension to reach. Do you guys all have stubby little digits?

>>33557070
It's reachable
But it's still too far out.

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>>33554527
FAL is the worst of the cold war battle rifle

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>>33557492
DELET THIS

>>33557492
What was the M14 like in the universe you're from?
Because in this one it was an instantly obsolete shitheap that got unceremoniously dumped in less than a decade for a multitude of great reasons.

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>>33555517
there is no manufacture that will guarantee their cans for full power 7.62 out of an 11in barrel I have called all of them so it doesn't matter anyways

>>33555497
they where one of the options when I custom ordered it from ds arms

>>33558138
1" away

>>33558138
>custom ordered a barrel too short to put a can on
what a dumbass

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>>33558570
idgaf if I want to be quiet I will just use the omega 30 on my sr-25 fampai plus unless I was shooting subsonic I would still wear earpro anyways from a rifle

>>33558668
Just buis?

>>33558746
right after I bought it 41F happened so I spent like 10k or so on NFA items and 16 stamps so this got stuck way on the back burner. I just ordered a NF Beast 5-25 but I will take a bit to get here as it needs to be built

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>>33558668
You'd only have needed to go an inch and a half longer and the suppressor world would have been your oyster.
You could've easily had the option, even if you never used it, of canning up and having a not-horrendously-obnoxious source of .308 firepower no larger than an unsuppressed Title 1 gun.
You fucked up, admit it.

>>33558778
Ahh.
Was thinking of a k624 myself

>>33558834
Realy he should got a 330mm barrel

>>33558834
you think I didn't know I wasn't going to be able to can it before I even ordered it? if I was getting a 13 or 14 in gun what is the point of a stamp for only 2 extra inches. I would rather shoot fireballs.

>>33558916
Should have AR "pistol"ed it for fireballs

>>33559045
I have a 8.5,11.5, 14 and 16in ar's :^)

>>33559093
A 308 AR

>>33559118
already have an sr-25 don't want another thanks for the opinion thou

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>Literally the only one sold on the internet as far as I can find

>>33559181
A DPMS AR-10?

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>>33558916
A 12.5" barrel would be suppressable, far too short to achieve by P&Wing any reasonable muzzle device, and would throw all the fireballs you could ever want.

>>33559203
A rifle-length Armalite AR-10

>>33559181
Are you new to the internet or something?

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>>33554087

>>33559967
Find a rifle-length Armalite AR-10 that isn't freefloated, then.

Go ahead.

>>33560527
>buy ff one
>install delta ring, handguard cap, new gasblock
?????????

>>33560572
>Pay two grand then un-freefloat the damn thing
??????????
??????????
??????????

>>33560593
>want a non-freefloated AR-10
>but not if it involves putting non-ff handguards on an AR-10
???????????
???????????
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>>33556200
>PTR
>pros
nothing
>cons
your a poorfag

>FAL
>pros
aesthetics
right arm of the free world
aesthetics
it was used to kill commies
reliable
>cons
it's sort of heavy compared to a SCAR or an AR10
if you're fat you won't look good in short-shorts

>>33560686
>"Wow why aren't you paying twice the MSRP you could be to make the gun actually worse? Do you even internet?"
Are you actually retarded?

Either way, Armalite parts are fucking unobtanium, which would just lead to another witch hunt for the right gas block. Just about everything but their garbage 16" AR-10 carbines are out of stock.

>>33560827
Why not just build what you want?

>>33560845
I want an Ar-10 that looks like an AR-15A2

Problem is, almost every AR-308 maker adds retarded geometry to their uppers or weird shit like Rock River Armory's trigger guard bolt release.
Tickles my autism the wrong way, and that's not even getting into the hellish nightmare of parts compatibility between the dozens of different companies' platforms.

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>>33556200
>>33560773
>PTR
>pros
HK slap
dirt-cheap magazines
Teutonic aesthetics
it was used to kill commies
more accurate than you'd expect
reliable
trivial to mount an optic even without the welded-on rail
>cons
sights are love-them-or-hate-them
cocking handle practically unusable for lefties and DYELs
shits where it eats, I mean seriously god damn what a filthy bitch
mangles your brass and chucks it into the next county
poverty gun

>FAL
>cons
the iron sights are on different halves of the gun so even if the tilting bolt is behaving itself you won't be able to hit shit
somehow even worse than an M14 for mounting optics
practically need to buy a whole new gun if you want to go from fixed stock to folding or vice versa
magazines suck but are expensive anyway

>>33561162
So how bad really is the bolt gap on PTRs?

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>>33561162
DYEFAL

>>33561200
define bad? Its just something you check once a year maybe.

I did have to send back my PTR because of the cocking tube gap but PTR covered the shipping and only took them two days to fix it.

Gun is really accurate with irons. Seems to go right where you aim every damn time

>>33560877
The different standards aren't really that difficult to understand. There are a couple spots where you pay attention.

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>>33561162
Stop being a mouth breather

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>>33563326
Doesn't work any better than a properly installed Sadlak mount for an M14, and weighs twice as much.
It's ugly and ruins the lines of the host rifle.
The alternative is sending your dustcover to a guy to have a rail glued onto it.
Scoped FALs look like shit either way.

>>33562169
So if I end up with a PTR, should I stick with the GI R or is it worth it for the 91FR with the bull barrel and handguard rail? Both have top rail and paddle mag release.

>>33564331
Soo much butthurt

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>>33564331

>>33564679
You just proved his point further.

>>33561162
>>33562169
I hated the normal setting on the ptr sights so I just sighted it into the second setting which is way easier to use

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>>33565144

I prefer the old school lines but this is tasteful enough.
That brown one though looks awful and not just the paint job.

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>>33564505
>>33565211
Thats what I did too. Dont sweat it, Ive heard the Bundswehr sighted in at 2 and used 3 as the general purpose setting.

1 is really just for CQC and night time.

>>33564505
I cant really tell you but I have the 91F and its very enjoyable and accurate. Handguard rail was a blessing as putting an AFG on it made a world of difference for comfort.

PTR is a fine choice. The rifles look beautiful, totally different build quality than Century and they have great customer service. Don't listen to the haters in these threads. Delayed roller blowback action is nice, and they eat steelcase like its fucking cool.

Awesome upgrades are the enhanced trigger pack from HKparts and the extended charging handle. I wish I didnt have a california castrated receiver so I could have gotten the paddle release. Now If I want to put one in I'd have to do some work with drills and dremels. The 16.5" barrel length feels very balanced compared to the longer lengths, but that's just me.

As for the sights, its totally preference. I happen to like the drum style, just know the 1 setting isnt actually meant for normal use. I've hit dead ass from 300m in the standing position without really trying. Getting the Enhanced trigger pack makes the kinda shitty stock trigger feel more like a bolt action rifle trigger. It's awesome. Get a muzzle break too and now youre slinging .308 with no muzzle climb like an absolute madman.

Downsides to the CETME/G3 design are no bolt hold open, magazines rock in like the AK, and you pretty much cant put any attachments at the 9 and 12 oclock positions lest you want to get in the way of the charging handle. HK slapping is worth it though, kek.

>>33565229
That right there is exactly how I'd like an FAL if I had one.

for me, tacticool FALs make me diamonds. The only gun that does that for me

>>33561201
>>33562169
>>33563326
>>33564331
>>33564505
>>33564578
>>33565144
PTRs also cost MORE than a brand new DSA FAL so I dont understand why FAL shills on here make fun of "Poor The Rifle"

>>33565854
Cool thanks for the write up.
What do you mean the "1 setting" on the drum isn't for normal use?
I thought it was like 100m then 2,3 and so on.
I have an AIMPOINT PRO. Would that make any sense to put on a PTR or should I get some magnification to take advantage of the .308 range?

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>>33565902
>Implying I'm a FAL shill
Go be poor somewhere else

>>33565941
The settings scale by degrees of 100m (I think on PTR they adjusted it for yards actually) but you can sight them to however you want. I'd say half the owners of PTRs just sight #2 at 100m because the 1 setting is not fun to use. Like I said its more for CQC and night use. You'll see when you get your hands on one.

I would say take advantage of the .308 but I mean its up to you. Its not like only using iron sights makes you a better distance shooter than using an aimpoint. The 16.5" feels like a great carbine.

>>33565970
>>33565970
I wasnt reffering to you specifically, just getting your attention.

PTRs are always called the poorfag's rifle when they cost at minimum $1,100 new. Mine was $1,200. DSAs are about $1,000 flat. Doesn't make sense.

>>33566029
Thanks. Where did you buy a 16" 91FR?
The one on Atlantic is an 18" barrel.
Also, how does the rifle do with underpowered .308?
Does is cycle good with most ammo?

>>33566050
Too poor to pay attention
https://www.lanbosarmory.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=35344&referrer=cnwr_4191340829622

>>33566092
>>33566092
PTR is fucking weird because in their catalogue and some other places the 16.5" is labeled as an 16.5" but the PTR website says 18". my barrel, measured from the chamber is definitely not that long. The case my rifle came with labeled 18" as well.

Kind of fucking irks me actually but oh well.

I shoot almost exclusively Tula and have never had a failure. Tula does very well in the PTR's blowback action and is accurate. Some people say brass is actually worse for the action as it has more of a chance of breaking in the chamber because of the insane pressures. This only really happens if you are dirtyfag and never clean the chamber flutes. I've put tons of rounds of dirty as Tula through it between cleaning and the flutes didnt get clogged up, just so you understand.

Forgot to mention the other con to this system is your spent casings get fucked up by the flutes. HOWEVER there are people who dont give a fuck and still use them for reloading, so it is possible. They just dont do it twice typically.

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>>33565873
I used to be against tacticooling fals but when done right it can look pretty good.

Thinking about getting a second one just to rice out but I might as well go for a scar at that point.

>>33566124
alright so you found a cheap one. Doesnt make it bad. Glocks and Hi Points are also cheap

>>33566173
With battle rifles its a gut wretching decision to go tacticol .308 nigger exploder, wood furniture for class, or Rhodie camo for bush feels

>>33561162
>forgetting the much softer felt recoil of the FAL

>>33566218
I've heard this argument go both ways between FAL and PTRs.

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>>33566190
>alright so you found a cheap one. Doesnt make it bad.
> Hi Points are also cheap
you just outed yourself poorfag

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>>33566242
here we will compare the recoil of the G3...

>>33566218
>implying PTR recoil is harsh at all

it feels like a soft shove at its worst. Muzzle breaks or adding an enhanced buffer diminish it even more

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>>33566242
>>33566270
and the FAL

>>33566257
I dont actually own one smartass. or a glock. I actually hate glocks. I own a CZ-75 SP-01. Not exactly super expensive either but costs at least $200 more than G19

>>33566277
but the FAL's recoil is still softer, the roller delayed blowback is inherently more violent and jarring

>>33566293
fucking lol. You havent even shot one

>>33566284
They look pretty damn similar.
Whats the cyclic rate for each rifle?
Whichever is faster I would say is more impressive than the other.

>>33566284
Looks about the same. Barely controllable. Leave full auto to the SMGs and assault rifles. Battle rifles on full auto is full retard. Even some assault rifles are iffy on full auto unless you've practiced/trained with it.

>>33566305
I've shot both at a machine gun shoot in northern Idaho, the ergos of the FAL also felt better in my hands

>>33566319
>whats the cyclic rate

Not like it actually fucking matters

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>>33566319
>>33566331
bruh, the fucking g3 is flying around i his hands, the FAL's barrel is barely moving, get your head out of your ass

>>33566337
It does with him shooting full auto.

>>33566334
I've heard FAL has better ergos. Never picked one up so I cant say. I have absolutely nothing bad to say about FALs other than the sights are on seperate pieces and putting on a folder stock *allegedly more difficult than it should be. I cant speak from experience of course. I'm just here to defend the CETME from the trolls in every thread.

>>33566357
My point is you arent going to own a full auto unless youre a megarich fag

>>33566357
im still
>>33566380

Here is a video where forgotten weapons man and his friend compare the full autos. FAL is apparently better https://youtu.be/zYtx9g7BmOE

>>33566361
in my opinion its mostly the pistol grip and the stock, they just fit the hand so well if you have bigger hands and the thing points so fuckin gud

>>33566361
>I can't speak from experience
Then why are you posting? Just here to shit the thread up?

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The FAL definitely feels better in the hand. To me, the recoil was about the same with my PTR compared to Mugi's FAL. I still like the PTR better but I love both of them. I can't wait to get my FAL built.

>>33566331
>ywn get to disintegrate a communist in CQC with .308 full auto

feels bad man

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lol

>>33566501
steel case ammo bud, caused the failure by cracking near the base of the rim

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>>33566493

>>33566509
Does that ever happen to PTR/G3?

>>33566642
steel case ammo is typically made with worse quality than brass, and how the action works is liable to shitty ammo. how long can you operate a ptr in the bush without cleaning, on the FAL you can just up the gas

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Best battle rifle coming through.

>inb4 sour grapes
>inb4 whining about aesthetics and weight
>inb4 not battle proven

Gun Jesus said it himself. His word is gospel.

>>33566642
There's not really a reason why it couldn't but it's less likely. The fluting makes extraction very positive.

>>33566683
You can just turn up the gas until you break a piston I guess. The G3 handles steel case and dirty ammo very well.

>>33566683
Why wouldn't you clean in the bush?

>>33566642
it tends to have issues with fluted chambers

>>33566697
Swissfags get out

>>33566750
Bullshit. Fluted chambers are great with steel ammo.

>>33566742
don't need to as much, blow out the fouling with more gas for about a mag or two

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>>33566754
No.

>>33566750
no

>>33566697
Go be irrelevant somewhere else

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>>33566469
lol calm the fuck down faggot I simply listed two objectively true cons about the FAL and said it was a good rifle in the same post

sensitive ass confrontational bitches on 4chan these days. There's always one in every fucking thread who has to overreact. Especially on the interest boards.

>>33566757
Do all PTRs have fluted chambers?

>>33566781
Yes, it's part of how the G3 works.

>>33566781
lol yes they direct the gasses for the blowback. No gas tube on the G3

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>>33566757
hm

>>33566805
>>33566805
What is your point? It happens to steel case too.

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>>33566757
cant handle real people ammo for non poor people?

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>>33566777
You prefaced one of your 'objective' truths by saying something is supposedly true.

Might want to watch that consistency thing, tightens the argument up.

>>33566805
>>33566815
I'm not sure what your point is. You're objectively wrong about steel case ammo in fluted chambers.

>>33566805
So what? Don't shoot brass that you want to reload in a G3 derivative. The flutes are there to help ensure maximum over-reliability, not be a match grade bench rifle.

>>33566829
People say the folding stock requires buying a shitload of parts in order to fit it. That is all.

>>33566815
The cuts aid in extraction

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>>33566757
brass is the standard issue of any non poverty stricken military in the world! who woulda thunk that hk would make a rifle with chronic issues destroying cases and causing malfunctions? nevermind reloading, i think ill stick to the FAL so i can actually reuse my brass and not worry about it blowing up with actual ammunition

>>33566750
>>33566757
I shoot cheap shit tulammo in my PTR, and have had ZERO split cases, ZERO ripped off rims, and ZERO ammo related malfs.

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>>33566833
>>33566815
>>33566805

>FAL niggers always calling PTR owners poor
>Make fun of PTR owners for not reloading spent brass and buying new ammo

So are PTR owners poor or not faggot?

>>33566834
Poof
https://www.dsarms.com/p-12747-fal-sa58-para-conversion-kit-includes-stock-lower-trigger-frame-para-carrier-nose-para-top-cover-springs-and-para-sight.aspx

>>33566850
ok

>>33566855
same

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>>33566850
So you realized you were wrong and are trying to hide it. Gotcha.

>>33566856
We haven't had a good circle jerk like this in a while on /brg/. Sit back and enjoy.

>>33566855
And FOUR moa

>>33566697
Has he ever shot a SCAR 17S?
Serious question.

>>33557940
its still used as a dmr...

>>33566860
Thank you

FALs BLOWBACK'd the fuck out

>>33566882
Not in the US.

>>33566856
>not spending money on a reloading kit to make tailored rounds for specific gas settings
>not buying your bullets and powder to ensure your gun is running as efficiently as possible
>using the poorest of the poor steel case ammo literally made by starving vatniks
you decide

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>>33566877
It's sad because the G3 is still more accurate and more reliable than the FAL.

>>33566860
>you don't need to buy a shitload of parts to convert a FAL from para to regular or vice versa
>just buy this assembly that comprises half the gun and costs $400

>>33566877
Which is more than plenty for what the platform was designed for, hitting a man sized target within like 800 yards.

Also:
>implying anyone uses tula for accuracy/match shooting
top fucking kek

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>>33566902
And yet, just as obsolete, just as inaccurate, just as reliable, both with minimal factory or aftermarket support.

It's almost like both rifles don't matter anymore.

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>>33566902
>more accurate
>>33566270

>>33566531
oh great now i really want to buy an FAL pistol....ugh my wallet hurts...

>>33566900
>having multiple loads for gas settings
what a clusterfuck
>being this autistic with your rounds
>implying G3 and steel case arent a perfect pairing
Face it faggot, the G3 does fantastic with steel case, it uses steel case better than any other system out there. Read the reviews on Midway USA or other websites that sell it. G3/PTR/CETME owners always say it gives them great accuracy while everyone one cries

>>33566875
you can pretend being poor isnt a disease, its the same thing with the SCAR, people without the shekels to buy are all about those sour grapes! if it cant cycle brass it aint worth shit

>>33566910
>I want to change how the back half of the rifle operates but not want to have to change the back half of the rifle
That's cute sunshine

>$400 is too much
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-German-PSG-1-Rear-Stock-Complete-114p531.htm

>>33566921
bost viideo blese

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>>33566945
>implying G3 and steel case arent a perfect pairing
shit ammo for a shit gun, I get it, is this one of those fetishes where you like hurting yourself? you can talk to us anon, we won't judge

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>>33566936
>tries to make a point
>refers to full auto webms

FAL fanboys are truly buttblasted to oblivion

>>33566953
I have a decent job, and I probably can't justify a SCAR.

I would rather spend the same money on some silencers and threaded barrels and a reloading setup.

Besides, I'm planning on buying a Camaro this year, so gun buys are on the back burner.

>>33566531
woah m

>>33566850
Are you implying that militarys actually reload their ammo? Why bother when they just have a blank check to order pallets more every time they mag-dump?

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>>33566977
>Besides, I'm planning on buying a Camaro this year, so gun buys are on the back burner.
holy shit first the ptr now the camaro, sometimes you just cant get rid of a bomb eh?

>>33566977
Just $2750 rifle

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>>33566954
>>I want to change how the back half of the rifle operates but not want to have to change the back half of the rifle

>a folding stock changes how the rifle operates

>Grasping for straws this badly to justify $400 jewery

TOP FUCKING KEEEEEKKKKK

Meanwhile G3 buttstocks swap out in seconds

>>33566994
Brass has other qualities that are desirable that steel does not

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>>33566954
>posts a PSG-1 stock

HURRRRRR DURRRRRRR

>>33566896
ok then my eyes are broken apparently.

>>33567003
>sometimes you just cant get rid of a bomb eh?
I don't have to justify my likes and dislikes to some anon to feel good about myself. I happened to work in the factory that made them, and I loved it.

>>33566968
stay mad that deliciously cheap .308 works like dogshit in your gun but not mine

>>33567006
HK para stocks are like $350. Such savings.

How often are you swapping stocks where this is a legitimate feature?

And your saying I'm grasping at straws? Really need to learn how to vet your argument

>>33567006
what kind of collapsing stock can I get that wont tear my face to shreds while it bucks around like a two year old horse

>>33567018
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/G3-91-PTR-Retractable-Stock-4-Position-114p16645.htm

>>33567027
stay mad that your gun destroys match grade ammo

>>33567022
They are stuck in the past, or in guard units.

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>>33566975
>implying uncucked isn't the true for of any battle rifle
poortr-fags on suicide watch

>>33567031
>$350
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/A3-Retractable-Stock-HK-91-G3-PTR-114p828.htm

Same website. Not even over $300 brand new.

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>>33567058
>*true form

>>33567042
>>33567042
except it doesnt

>>33567072
>>33566805
>>33566815
>>33566850
>can't process anything other than potmetal steel cases

>>33567067
>HK sling

C U C K E D

>>33567087
But that's wrong.

>>33567064
I was looking at the four position one, but fair enough.

Now show me how to put clip on nvg on a G3. It's about as valid a point as your trying to make

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>>33567088
huh this is a familiar looking stock

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>>33567112
DELETE THIS

>>33567112
They wanted to pretend they could get a better rifle

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>>33567089
>fake news EGGS DEE
bruh you need to take a step back and look what you are defending
>milled gas piston rifle dedicated to the 7.62 cartridge
>stamped gun with fluted chamber and a couple of wheels that operates by shitting where it eats

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>>33567121
>>33567125
>PTR 91 fags btfo
FAL always a best, even patMac agrees!!!

>>33566531
It's sad, how much this video circulates /k/. There's also that Makiluk or whatever dude who does quick shooting with a .50 BMG rifle. I guess that means .50 BMG is completely controllable and anyone using anything other than .50 BMG is a cuck, huh?

I'm spending too much fucking time on day/k/are... but sure, you noguns fuckheads keep thinking that 7.62 Nato or .308 in an 8-10lb rifle is 100% controllable.

Has any relevant military ever used the G3? And no, west Germany, not militarily relevant

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>>33567196
Oh you want controllable full auto? Say no more!

>>33567203
Dinosaur protectors

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>>33567196
bud, there's a difference between controllable and manageable, and the FAL has an inherently more controllable system

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>>33566050
Nigga NiB PTRs start from $900 and up

>>33567432
Well the out of touch, unaware, and yet price sensative buyer is the perfect champion of the PTR.

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>want to buy a bunch of hidinium shit to make an 8 pound para fal
>a couple years too late to even be able to find it
Are we made, only to suffer?

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>>33565902
What the fuck are you on about?

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>>33567455
I personally think the PTR-91 is amazing for the price. I prefer it over my DSA SA-58 but thats my humble opinion and experience

Are all these threads just FAL and G3 guys shitting on each other?

>>33567139
I've now watched countless videos of PTRs shooting brass ammo with absolutely no issue.

>>33567595
Can you manage to shoulder fire your PTR while wearing the standard sling?

It isnt long enough for me. Im guessing its only designed for carrying and when you have to actually shoot you have to get the sling off of you

>>33567477
Just drill holes galore

Does anyone know where I can get a metric FAL buttpad screw that will be long enough for the Rhodesian style buttstocks? Looking on FAL files they said Tapco has them but they don't seem to stock them anymore and just looking at regular machining screws in Lowe's or Home Depot I can never find one with the right thread pitch

>>33567595
>For the price
Speaks volumes

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>>33567597
60% that,
15% SCAR gloating
10% everyone shitting on garands, BARs and M14s (we like the aesthetics and fun but berate anyone who suggests them a serious rifle for use)
10% AR fags coming in the thread and bitching about battlerifles being too heavy and ""outdated""
5% Swissfag shitposting

ily /brg/

>>33567691
>price is everything

>>33567701
Price is just a number

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>>33567612
> I've watched so many videos on how great the Cetme is!
>look how many show how great t is
>hey have you heard of this new game called no mans sky???

>>33567740
That was a sweet game for five hours. Glad I didn't pay for it

>>33567740
>denying video evidence
You do you i guess.
Be as ignorant as you want.
Nobody is forcing you to buy a PTR but being purposely wrong is kind of fucked.

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>>33567788
>Evidence
Oh you sweet summer child

>>33567821
>posts a Century

>>33567821
>posts a century that shows a video that isn't issue he's bitching about

>>33567821
>century
Yes. Evidence.
Here https://youtu.be/EU2HxW3eMXc
That's one of a lot of examples.

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>>33567691
Yes it does

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The PTR defense force has assembled! With no understanding of what evidence means no less

>>33567888
I posted a video of a PTR shooting brass ammo with no malfunctions.
My claim is that PTRs can shoot brass.
How is that not evidence?

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>>33567894
Is there someone making a counter argument?

And a video of it has little meaning. An easy form of evidence is that German 'hirtenberger' ammo, designed for use in the G3, is brass cased.

YouTube, not a source.

>>33567927
This is the idiot that I'm correcting and proving wrong with a video to back up my claim that he is wrong.
>>33567087

>>33567927
>youtube, not a source
>regardless of the video on the website

Full fucking retard. You should get a tripcode

>>33567957
Let me guess, you think Wikipedia is a source

>TFW the only thing holding me back from buying a PTR is that they're using the stupid ass looking CETME cocking tubes on them now
>With no plans to revert to the original design
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>33568093
can you post a comparison?

>>33567995
Dude all youtube is is a video hosting website.

Alex C from TFBTV was right. FAL owners are like members of a cult or secret society

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>>33568130
I actually deleted the original one I had made, but here's an older model PTR for reference. Notice how the tube tapers halfway to the end?

Compare to >>33567595
which has a CETME style tube. The flutes run all the way to the end with no taper

And no, for the life of me, I could not find a single army that used a G3 with an untapered cocking tube, so my sole, flimsy justification for buying another one is gone

>>33568172
Both rifles are great I don't see why they get so autistic with their PTR hate.

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All these people arguing about the PTR and FAL and I'm just sitting considering suicide with my Garand.

>>33568231
sell it to me

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>PTR vs FAL
>Two weapons proven beyond reasonable doubt in conflicts worldwide right alongside the M16 and AK
>None of their proponents can stop fighting each other over bullshit reasons

>>33568231
Not a battle rifle

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>>33568231
>>33568245
She's likely the best rifle I'll ever have. Fucking A.
>>33568287
>Semi automatic
>Full power rifle cartridge
Okay, what would you call it then?

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>>33568266
I don't think you undersatand how important it is to have these unproductive bullshit arguments

>>33568294
>She's likely the best rifle I'll ever have
That's probably true regardless of how many guns you buy.

I own an M1a, a FAL, and a PTR91, and I'd prefer a garand to any of them

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>>33568266
This. Let there be peace.

>>33568294
Not magazine fed or select fire, and it's too old.

>>33568392
Are those the qualifiers?
>magazine fed
I could buy this one. Internal magazines do kind of push it.
>Select fire
I don't think anyone on /brg/ actually owns a battle rifle then.
>Too old
This one seems kind of bullshit to me. Most of the battle rifles are old designs.
Still though what would you call the M1 then? Service rifle?

>>33568462
The term Battle Rifle was to separate the WW2 rifles from the post war style .308 class infantry rifles from the assault rifles coming out in the 70s.

It's close enough for the purposes of this thread.

>>33568795
Okay I got you. Still, is there a proper term for it?

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>>33568294
Not a battle rifle

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>>33567927
>German
"hirtenberger"
Hirtenberger is Austrian tho.

>>33565970

I find it hilarious that you fags spend all of this time arguing about which of your obsolete rifles is better and this guy comes in and posts the only two patrician choices in the entire thread.

>>33569453
>shh, youll make the poorfags mad

Hey guys, I'm looking into buying at PTR or building an AR-10. Are there any suggestions of where I should start (AR-10 specifically)? I'm only asking because all my research has brought me to years old forum posts, or shit blog sites.
>inb4 wah waah spoonfeed me please waah

>>33569721
Buy receivers as a set
Unless your getting a noveske, armalite, or a specifically cut rainier, your getting a DPMS pattern headspaced barrel.
Match all other part specs to your receiver manufacturers comparability page. Think handguards and lower parts.

http://www.megaarms.com/maten/compatibility/

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I'm a suck for the classics, this will be my raifu one day.

>>33569873
>Shortest service life
>classic
Words have meanings

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Have room in my safe for 1 more rifle.

Should I get an M1A or an Argentine FN 49 in .308?

I intend to shoot this gun a lot.

>>33569903
get another safe you dummy

>>33570040
This man is extremely wise. It would be wel advised to heed his words

>>33569842
This was exactly what I needed. Thanks a bunch anon!

>>33570040
>>33570050
Better question is "if you could only choose one, which one?"

>>33570319
Which makes your penis harder?

>>33570319
You appear to already have one of each.
Get another of whichever one you like more.

>>33570328
FN 49 but it's less practical. I see SHTF happening very soon.

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>>33570367
What else is in the safe?

And if you want practical, there really is better choice

>>33570360
Not my picture. I have neither.

>>33570396
M1As are nothing but trash. Get the FN49.

>>33570396
>>33570425
I love my M1A but I agree with these guys, get the FN.

>>33569903
what is 2nd rifle in image (between FAL and M14 clone)?

>>33571053
fn49

Would a muzzle brake be worthwhile on a PTR? Never used them, don't know if the recoil reduction is significant enough to warrant deafening my range neighbors or dropping 200$.

>>33554087
Best prices to expect for 30-06 Garands and .308 Garands, each?

>>33568287
Garands ARE battlerifles.

FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME

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>>33572983
butterflies carry battlerifles

>>33568093
>>33568201

Then just buy an older model PTR if it bugs you so much.

>>33572983
An FNAR has a better claim.
A garand has a good a claim as a Remington 7400

>>33574566
FNAR was never select fire or even used by a military as far as I can tell.

>>33566346
This webm, and all webms like it, make me very happy.

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>>33554087
Nice day at the range

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>>33568201
>I could not find a single army that used a G3 with an untapered cocking tube, so my sole, flimsy justification for buying another one is gone
That would be everybody using it before 1962, since the tapered free-float cocking tube was introduced with the G3A3.

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>>33554087
Is the mpt-76 a battle rifle? I don't really know the differences between a battle rifle and an assault rifle, is it just the caliber?

Anyway, it uses 7.62 NATO and has an effective range of 600 meters (660 yards)

>>33575770
It's a piston 308 AR for roaches
It counts, it might not be any good, but that's a different story

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>>33575787
>It counts

nice

>>33574678
the action is so fucking aesthetic

I'm gonna do it guys. I'm going to buy a SCAR 17S. Someone talk me out of it.

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Posting some more tur/k/s

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>>33576801
another one

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>>33576833
And that's the last one for now, I'll post some more when I come back from the store.

>>33572918
>dropping 200

wat

yes they are worth it. fuck your range partners

>>33576801
>>33576833
>>33576854
>roach posting

>>33576730
Do it

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>>33576730
No, its tits

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>>33576854
I'm back from the store.

>>33577656
So is it an AR10 clone or what? Looks heavy

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>>33577722
Yeah, AR clone but with the HK417's piston system. I weighs 4.1 kg (9 lbs)

>>33566531
>FALeesi, Breaker of Wrists

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Posting VCOG love.

>>33577755
are they actually any good? Can you buy them in the US?

>>33578099
It probably isn't and even if it a good gun, it isn't good enough to justify buying from roaches

>>33579028
Probably. There are plenty of great AR 10s made here anyway

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>>33579071
Indeed there are

>>33579192
Why do you prefer the handstop over an AFG? An afg will provide the same assistance with hand placement with much more comfort

>>33579713
Too small without modding.
That rifle isnt really a running and gunning setup. A closer to the rail setup makes it easier to get it into a saddle on a tripod.

>have an older CETME with a paddle mag release and 11 mags
What should I try to jew for this thing on Armslist?

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>>33554769

>>33579863
Ask $700 and accept $600, you can get an older model PTR for anything more than that which anybody with their brain turned on would do instead.

>>33579891
>anybody with their brain turned on would do instead.
Yeah but that doesn't really cover most of the people in the rural midwest.

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>>33574678
>>33576241

I want an AR10 with a binary trigger.

I'm now the proud owner of a FAL. Does anyone have any optic recommendations? I have a Vortex viper pst 6-24×50 in mrad, but I feel it's a bit much for a FAL. I also have a Vortex crossfire 2 1-4×24, but it has no reticle hash marks. It's also kinda cheap.

I'm also probably going to paint it someday. Any tips for that?

>>33580032
So make one

>>33580049
Spraypaint is easy.
Optics depends on the budget

>>33580049
Post an image you dummy.

>>33580201
>So make one
Wut

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>>33568266
Literally the bread and butter of /brg/

>>33580476
Put together an AR10 and put an echo/binary trigger into it. I think its the echo trigger you could do with a 308 AR

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Sup /brg/ I just got a FAL kit from Gunplumber. My safety can go into the full auto position. Is it legal to use this lower with a semi receiver? I did some poking around on the net and it looks like the parts that make an FAL full auto is the ejector block with a safety sear and the upper receiver being cut to allow for the safety sear. I think I'm good but I wanna be safe.


tl;dr: can I legally build a semi FAL with my FA lower?

>>33581016
The upper will have a semi auto block in it. Dont worry

>>33581016
If it's anything like ARs, you can use any combinations of parts you want as long as you use a semi receiver and the end result is a gun that can't go full retard.
If you're really worried, you can always send it back to Gunplumber and have him put it together for you.

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>>33581044
Can't argue with dubs, thanks for the quick response

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Fuck it. I did it.

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>>33581100
>You bought the wrong color

>>33581120
Never been a fan of FDE, to be honest. Also, why that stock, m8?

>>33581134
Shitsngiggles
Had an AR lower sitting around that I was slowly, SLOWLY buying parts for without knowing what I wanted to do with it (bought it on a lark). Finally decided go A2/3/4 thing with it. So the stock came in today, decided to have some fun.

>>33561162

>Filename

G3 is truly the only rival to the AK family for king of the third world.

>>33581211
Mauser

>>33581134
The SCAR is FDE by default.
The black version was an afterthought and should be avoided unless you have a compelling reason not to, e.g., you're a LEO buying it as a patrol rifle and your department has a "no brown rifles" policy.

>>33581305
Like I said. I just don't like FDE. Not sure why. Maybe it's some form of autism. I just prefer my rifles in black.

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>>33581134
FDE scar best scar

>>33581322
And I just find it hard to believe that, out of all the shades of FDE that the SCAR comes in, you can't find a single one that you like.

>>33581341
>>33581342
Well I already bought it so might as well just go with it. And like I said, I just like black rifles.

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>>33581370
Cerakote that shit

New thread:
>>33581438
>>33581438
>>33581438