/brg/ Battle Rifle General

>>33581438
could that doggo possibly have a bigger tongue

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>>33581438
Postan pupper

>>33581606
Are you a female? Only women focus on this feature for some reason.

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>>33581606
Possibly.

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>>33581623
No, although I, too, have noticed that women pay more attention to that sort of thing.

>>33581669
where to get bipod and bipod-accomodating furniture?

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>>33581701
I got the bipod on robertrtg. They still had them last I checked. The wide handguard is in a couple places. Try the aforementioned, hkparts, and apex. The specific furniture I have is much more difficult to find.

>>33581438
Why doesn't anyone make a plastic G3 handguard with MLOK slots?
ditto the FAL

I SUMMON HCARFAGGOT!!!

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>>33581769
Whats wrong with metal ones?

Best prices to expect for 30-06 Garands and .308 Garands, each?

>>33581800
heat transmission, aesthetics, weight

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Where does the Belgian "combo device" fall on the scale of flash hider <-> muzzle brake?

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>>33581619
Do you feel you're still getting some benefit out of the AFG despite running it right in front of the magwell?

>>33583653
I put mine right in front of my magwell on my PTR and its totally fine. The AFG getting in the way is a meme

>>33583653
Also that image is pure autism.

Its just a fucking 1 1/2" angle to make it slightly more comfy

Also fuck the wanna be operators that hold their barrels so far up. God damn that shit is dumb.

>>33581894
>30-06 Garands
~750 if it's not in great shape.
The fact that the CMP sells non-matching but otherwise sound shooters for $830 means the price is basically artificially set right now.
Once they run out I wouldn't be surprised if the price on the shooters actually dropped initially by maybe $100, before resuming the milsurp climb.

>>33583862
I will grip further down *whenever* possible. It's just more stable desu

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>>33581800
>MLOK FAL
>Rhodesia died for this?

>>33584711
I really dont see how it is. Its much less comfortable, very unnatural, you have to stretch way out, your arms will get tired faster, and puts more weight on your trigger hand and almost none on your foreward hand.

Everyone should just feel out their favorite hand position and what forward grips they prefer and build on it. Enough show-off pretend operator trickery.

If that's what really works for you, then all the best.

>>33584687
Basic economics says over time these historic milsurp weapons will only increase in demand therefore increase in value.

Buy up mulsurp when you get the chance, even nuggets. 20 years from now expect everything to be harder to find and harder to pay for, especially because of the eternal fudd who sporterizes historic weapons and deserves to spend eternity in a white hot streamline trailer

>>33581438
So I'm pretty new to battle rifles and guns in general. An ammosexual friend of mine recommended getting a FAL parts kit (and it does seem cheaper) but after looking at the receivers more, it seems complicated. I can't just use any receiver with just any parts kit, can I? Should I just buy a completed one instead?

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>>33583653
Yes because thats where it feels confortable for me to hold the gun (although I replaced it for a magpul vfg

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Stgw 57 4 life

Went to the gunsmith with it and I will be getting some nice diopter sights for this baby. Makes shooting much easier.

>>33586256
I would assume other chamberings exist.

I'm sorry, I don't care how much the special caliber is "great" or misunderstood. It just is never gonna be overall good for me.

It's like when people used to bang on trying to convince others that traps were "great."

>>33586370
What's the problem with the caliber?

Do you buy guns based on how cheap the ammo is?

>>33586256
my nigga.. I need a barrel and a receiver for mine though.

>>33581669
>>33581725
Can anyone explain to me the difference in chamber space/fluting between the PTR models? Since PTR keeps making modifications to their rifles, I get conflicting acccounts. Do all models eat all kinds of steel-cased/tar/surplus ammo, or is it just GI models that do? Will a bull-barreled PTR F still eat shitty surplus, or would you have to baby it more?

>>33587402
All models have the same HK spec fluting now.

>>33587402
Everything will eat steel like candy

>>33587645
But will it destroy the brass?
You see the pictures of the case getting just about sliced into a dozen little pieces, but you also have people saying that their brass just comes out with an ash pattern on it that you wipe off and have unmolested brass.
I suppose a guy could just run steel exclusively through his PoverTy Rifle and reloadable brass through the rest.

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>>33587907
Some brass will turn out better than others. The worst brass damage from a PTR doesn't actually come from the flutes. The brass hitting the edge of the ejection port is what does the most, hence why many people get port buffers (pic related). Usually, the flute marks are relatively superficial but you'll get some that are more messed up than normal. I've seen several people reload G3 brass, it's just not always ideal.

>>33581725
I need that stencil. Can someone post it? I wiped my drives....

>>33586387
I really want to build one but I have no idea where to get a receiver....

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>>33588061
I don't have the file but the sticker and patch are from skinwalkersupplyco.

>>33587907
Ive shot brass and never had a problem.

There are pictures out there of every gun with brass cracking up in the chamber

I switched to Tula because its so much cheaper. Still get good groupings

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>>33584875
Something better than the CASV would be cool

>>33588291
the CASV is the best FAL handguard ever produced.
The demand for high end FAL shit got drained like twelve years ago.

>>33588303
Yea I know, but it only had to beat DSA when it came to railed handguards. I kinda like my CASV but the fact that I got two seperate rear screws from them that both had the wrong head size is a little annoying. Also it's slightly canted on my rifle cause the mounting is fucked up. And when I want to get it off I'm gonna have to take apart my gas system cause the screw head is stripped to shit due to it being way too soft and also the wrong size

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>>33587907
Here are a couple of cases from my last range trip.
The two on the left are perfecta and the two on the right are zqi (mke) both bought at Walmart awhile back.
You can see how some brands of brass are better for reloading.

>>33581789
did he died?

>>33581894
Where do you even buy .308 Garands
>typically

>>33586383
Stop being stupid/facetious on purpose. Just because the gun is cool doesn't mean its owner is not a twat.

If your post was true, you honestly only see it that overly-simple; you have no information to offer me.

>>33588376
How much was the ZQI?

>>33588474
$10/20
I haven't seen any in stock for awhile.

>>33588486
:/
>will I ever find .308 that's not 10$/20....

>>33584875
Rhodesia died because it was a racist state that forced native africans to be second class citizens in THEIR HOMELAND so that a bunch of fat old white men could fuck shit up.

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>>33588598
.004 rubles has been deposited in your paypal account. Thank you for doing your part correcting the record!

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>>33588598
Your analysis is lame.

R8 my VCOG.

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>>33589541
SBR when? Also how much does that weigh? I'm gonna make mine similar to that but with a 16 barrel, SR-25 thread adapter, and long gas system when I can put another 1500 into it

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I want a nice shooter M14 style rifle for LARPing purposes, and because I shot a Rhodie FAL this weekend and loved it but want to try something different in .308.

I want to stay as close to USGI as possible, and this would be a shooter.

What should I get? And any M1A related wisdom or advice is welcome.

>>33589790
Hold your elbows as far from your body as possible. This makes you appear larger than normal and can intimidate predators.

>>33589790
Don't get an M14

Get a PTR, FAL, or if you wanna drop big bucks an AR-10 or SCAR. Or be a snowflake and get another less common .308

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so honestly how bad would shooting steel out of my FAL be? i have a forged DSA receiver. idk if that matters.

>>33589720
She was an SBR back in 2008, but she's not anymore, the Cascades like longer barrels better.

Shit, I honestly couldn't tell you until I get a scale out, but it weighs less than an M4/320 combo, if that means anything.

>>33589828
>I want an M14 for non defensive purposes

First response is don't get an M14

Yeah you guys are as cancerous as I thought.

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>>33589925
Maybe your to sensitive to be here
try reddit

>>33589880
FALs don't do well with steel. There's actually a thread on the files about that right now.

>>33589925
Cause they're a hassle and even the people who own them say they're not fun toys. If you absolutely want one get a Springfield M1A and buy a USGI stock and sling but there's a reason everyone advises against them

>>33589886
So you have the stamp on it but stick with the 16 barrel? Or is it a bit shorter to still make use of it?

Also what pistol grip? I hate the small selection of PGs for FALs but I don't think I've seen that ine before

Convince me to not get a SCAR 17.

>>33589967
No stamp at the time, but that was only an issue if you showed her to people...

Pistol grip is the Ergo G3 style grip, it's worked out pretty well so far and I'm not worried about it breaking or anything.

>>33589967
Why would an FAL be more fun.

>>33589880
cute

Receiver shouldn't care about ammo, and the ammo shouldn't affect the receiver. The "steel is bad" camp is usually either arguing that the ammo is just of lower quality and therefore may not cycle, may foul rapidly, etc; or that the steel-on-steel chamber contact will cause it to erode rapidly; or that the coatings on the steel cases will gum up the chamber.

So it's the barrel and the gas assembly that you should care about, not the receiver.

>>33590008
Because you won't have to worry about clearing malfunctions every other mag.

>>33590000
Again?
For the money you could buy several other high-quality battle rifles.
Very ugly.

Nice digits.

>>33590035
Do all M14s do this?


I'd want a USGI pattern rifle, with a standard length barrel. I know the SOCOM abortions have issues.

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>>33590020
i believe you, or i want to believe you. why does everyone and their mother say it is soooo bad to shoot steel? i love my FAL i just wish i could shoot it more, but .50/round is kinda shitty, thats $10 a magazine. as a student thats killer on my shooting budget as compared to 9mm and 5.45....

>>33590000
the quads should be proof enough lol if you can afford it and it wont be detrimental to your budget id say go for it, they dont seem to go down in value ever >_>

>>33589963
ill have to took into that.

>>33590045
He's bullshitting you M1As and M14s work just fine, people on /k/ just hate them for being more open than most rifles.

>>33590004
Kek, fair enough

>>33590008
Never said an FAL would be more fun? Unless you want me to like list why I enjoy my FAL more than Garand type actions

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>>33590162

>>33589963
i cant find the thread to save my life. i hate forums....link me senpai?

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>>33590208
>M1 long stroke more reliable than tappet
The M1 need very strictly specced ammo. While the M1A can eat pretty much any load of medium heat or lower. Try that shit with an M1 and I hope you have a spare op rod or reciever around.
I agree, the EBR stock is shit and optic mounting sucks.
Mags are kind of awkward at first but get better with experience. Also the trigger on mine was fine with no tuning so I don't know what the deal is there.

>>33589880
I'll weigh in on the steel vs brass after shooting both through my FAL

I'm not letting it touch steel again, not so much just cause of the casing, but just because the available steel .308 is loaded so fucking hot. I bought some Tula .308 right before the election because I could get an extra 60 rounds and I ended up selling the extra for dirt cheap after I got brass. Even aetting my gas to 6.5 it kicked like a motherfucker even compared to .308 CoreLokt and the ejection was still going strong. It likes 7.62x51 a lot better, I can turn the gas down a lot more and get softer shooting with reliable ejection
>tl;dr steel .308 is loaded hot and beats up the gun

>>33590356
fug...maybe i should buy a PTR....

>>33590499
Literally everything about the FAL is more expensive, so if the cost of ammo is gonna be a problem just go PTR

>>33590549
Aftermarket on the G3 gets up to the stratosphere.

>>33590549
fml i love this gun.....but fuck its expensive.

>>33590582
Sounds like a personal problem

>>33590267
Be fair to the M1, man. It takes repeated use with too-hot ammo to break one. Though I can't really deny that it will break under those conditions.

Also the M14 certainly was a little out of date even when it was made. For gods sake it's the only one of the big 3 that can take stripper clips.

>>33590578
I've not found any G3 aftermarket that gets close to FAL

Even FAL Hensoldt scopes are more expensive

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>>33581438

Can someone explain to me why m1a rifles are bad?

Overpriced for what they are?

I just really like wood on my guns

>>33590603
https://www.dsarms.com/p-13250-fal-sa58-stripper-clip-steel-top-cover-fits-cut-metric-uppers.aspx

>>33590605
PSG/MSG stocks go for up to $1300

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Daily reminder that if your FAL isnt 13lbs loaded, then it isn't sturdy enough.

>>33590267
>>33590616
I'll be the first to admit they're overpriced. I got mine for 1000 USD due to a friend but yeah try and find them low if you can.
A lot of the people in /brg/ just dislike that they're not exactly the best battle rifle for combat.

>>33590642
Huh. I retract my statement.

>>33590653
>that pic
>13lb loaded
Explain

>>33590642
I'm not talking about oneoff rare shit, even relatively common stuff is more expensive

FAL wood in most conditions for example are more expensive than G3

>>33590687
Type 3 upper
2lbs of racist paint

>>33590914
I want to see it on a scale. Mine is 12 unloaded and that's with a PRO on top.

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>>33589880
>FALgets worried about steel case hurting their gun

>meanwhile PTR masterrace shoots steel all day with better MOA

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>>33590987
Move aside pleb

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>>33590616
>>33590669
Honestly, there's usually a few bulleted reasons people give for disliking the M1A/M14:
- out of date the moment it was introduced (see >>33590603)
- better platforms for MOA, especially when it comes to optic mounting
- cheaper platforms that perform same or better in comparative pricing

That doesn't mean it won't do it's job. You aim, you fire, it works, MOA withstanding (as others said, certain stocks suck, I have wood and no issues). Mag can be a little awkward (see >>33590267) if you don't read the fucking manual; which, if you get a Springfield M1A, they give you the M14 military technical manual, which clearly shows how not to be a fucking idiot... so failure to load right is a fault of its operator more than the firearm. If it's that confusing to you, just sit with an empty mag and practice reloading and unloading it until you get it. It's not that hard unless you got tiny hands or something.

So, if you like the M1A platform, do not care for optic mounting much, or frankly do not give much of a fuck about MOA and cost, go for it. If cost is a factor, if MOA is a factor, if optic mounting is a factor, then factor it in to whether you pick it or any other BR such as a FAL, G3, or other.

Unless you live in cuck-states, in which case it may legally be your only option.

>>33590997
Well to be fair, those other rifles aren't particularly accurate either and the case could be made that M1A sights are exponentially better than FAL or PTR sights at precise shooting.

Mounting optics to a vintage FAL or G3 platform gun is equally difficult.

I'd argue that other than the stock layout, which is fine for semi auto IMO, it's a direct competitor to the FAL or PTR/G3.

FALs and G3 pattern guns come with rails for mounting optics now, which clearly is more suited for modern defensive uses.

Which the AR15 is superior at anyways so all you BRG fags trying to lug around .308 16" guns for SHTF are retarded.

>>33591058
Mounting optics on a FAL is pants on head simple.

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>>33591071
Fuck yourself desu

>>33591058
FAL has a higher stock height relative to the G3 when it comes to optics, FAL is a little more forgiving

>>33590991
>not shooting the son of the STG

heh, nuthin personal juden

>>33591058
They can be, assuming vintage as you said. Sights I do like myself, but I haven't tried FAL or PTR or G3 or anything like that, so I can't speak from experience.

For my post, I'm just listing what I often hear as the kind of catchphrase arguments people tend to put forth. Ultimately, it boils down to preference. You could have the fanciest gun, hell even an AR-15 or SCAR, but if you can't aim worth a shit the SHTF argument goes out the window.

I have my M1A for the woods and to deal with wildlife, and that's all I need it for. I don't even need to worry about SHTF situation; most people will get mauled by bears, coyotes or bobcats here.

>>33591168
Sorry, I dont speak /pol/

>>33591097
>FAL is a little more forgiving
The FAL is MUCH more forgiving when it comes to optics.

There's a single 3-9x scope under a grand that doesn't interfere with the G3's charging handle

>>33591177
/k/ is the ham-fist of /pol/

>>33591209
Your just going further down the rabbit hole with the jargon.

>>33591224
>I have no sense of humor

>>33591239
Your being unintelligible, not humorous.

>>33590997
No more chinese laundry.

>>33591317
Vinny best Disney Character of all time

>Boy Disney movies are forever kill in favor of diversity and equality agenda films

>>33591058
I think the only time a battle rifle might be justified in shtf scenario is if you're operating with a militia so that you have ARs and/or AKs covering closer areas.

>>33591563
Or if you live in regions that have longer, open areas where 5.56 isn't going to cut it. Prepping for your area/geographical location is more important than cools.

>>33590991
>he fell for the $3000 polymer gun meme
PTR and FAL fags are laffing at u m8

>>33590155
>>33590238
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=412331

Right in the front page.

>>33590991
>tfw getting to shoot a SCAR and it wouldn't stop malfunctioning

Real talk though, I think it was just on the suppressor setting because it kept short stroking.

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>>33591563
>Closer areas

Where?

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>>33591715
Im not laughin

>>33590035
Nigga FAL sux

Looking for an optic for my PTR-91 that will still allow me to HK slap.
Preferably something 1-6x or similar
Price range is under 1k, although Id rather keep it cheaper than that.
I'm thinking something from Vortex.
Help me /brg/. I'm optic retarded and I want to take a deer with my PTR.
If I can ever find a place to hunt that is.

>>33589925
thay are finicky shits that can barely hit spec before smashing themselve out of zero, and they accurize like a child with polio trying to masturbate, also get epilepsy in sand or mud because they seize the fuck up

>>33589963
also the last thread got derailed by that argument

>>33593581
Vortex Viper PST I guess

>>33590162
>>33590045
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrPjlcJ3rtY

>>33593581
I am in the exact same boat

>>33593739
Get the fuck outta my boat

>>33593705
We're talking about battle rifles for fun, not combat. Thus this is irrelevant

>>33594050
I don't think I would force my poor M1A to wear that stock for fun or combat, to be quite frank desu.

>>33594050
have you never gone shooting on a windy day or gotten a little mud on your gun? or been in the woods tromping around at all?

>>33594050
you know whats fun?
having an accurate rifle

>>33594072
>tromping around in the woods with a $1500 safe queen
nope

>>33594083
Is accuracy your only metric of fun? If so, you're really missing out on a wide variety of guns that are interesting and unique for multiple reasons.

>>33594068
Yeah that's a pretty ugly one.
>>33594072
Yes, but generally I don't go purposely dumping handfuls of shit into my rifle.
>>33594083
Oh? And how's your BRs MOA?

>>33594127
Not that anon, but moa and better on both of mine with good ammo

>>33594105
from the ones that i shoot semi frequently get MOA to 1.5 MOA very seldom zeroed

>>33594142
Well, it's good to hear that you're accurate at least. He still doesn't know how to have fun though.

I get sub-MOA with the nugget I fished out of a creek behind my house after some guy had a boating accident when I shoot ammo I handload out of aluminum foil and powder from roman candles i buy at the reservation down the road, so you all can fuck off.

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>>33594050
>the M14 is totally fine, you guys
>just never shoot it outdoors or drop it on any hard surfaces
>the Army was 100% justified in adopting it instead of the FAL

>>33594159
bud, saying inaccurate guns are more fun is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, just say you like it aesthetically or you just feel like being a fanboy, don't lie to yourself. I have no qualms knowing that the FAL is not the best battle rifle, but I continue to like it more than the others for reasons of opinion, I don't lie to myself nd make bullshit arguments

>>33594181
I never said it was a good military rifle you poor joyless bastard I said it wouldn't explode just by existing. The military totally shouldn't gone with the FAL.

>>33594191
Sorry *should've
>>33594182
Honestly you sound legit autistic man.

>>33594177
pssst This is /brg/ where everyone pretends to be snipers despite the fact half of them can't hit the broad side of a fucking barn.
Some of the autismos are only here because there's no 'totally a sniper guise' general.

>>33594247
Precision rifle general

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>>33590616
>>33590997

The m1a scout will always be my go-to battle rifle. Just keep it greased and it's good to go. Been debating on whether I want to keep the aimpoint on it go with a LER scout scope, though.

>>33594278
Yeah except they actually know how to shoot there. Here it's just people with 4 - 1.5 MOA rifles trying to one-up each other.

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>>33594181
>>33594191
>Reminding me we could of had United States pattern FALs
Please stop. Please, please stop.

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>>33594468
If it helps, it would have been a hideous inch-pattern gun, so it's not that much of a loss.

>>33594560
Did FN make the prototype T48s in inch? I was always curious about that.

>>33594560
Wait seriously, that's the US FAL prototype?

>>33594560
fug off that thing looks sexy as hell

>>33594607
Personally I think it's kind of cute in a fugly way.

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>>33594560
>tfw will never find that furniture for sale
I want it so bad.

>>33584687
>The fact that the CMP sells non-matching but otherwise sound shooters for $830 means the price is basically artificially set right now.

omg will u fucking meme lords stop with this shit

Those $830 ones are refinished rifles with brand new stocks and barrels, reparked receiver and other shit.

Field grade ones were like $630 before they sold out late January, since the CMP might be getting flip garands I am going that route.

>>33593855
:(

>>33584687
>non-matching
Garands don't have serial numbers to match things to

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>>33594577
>>33594582
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T48_rifle

>>33594607
ugliest furniture on worst pattern, eat shit m8

>>33594713
>gorgeous wood furniture on domestic system of measure
fuck yourself until you die buddy

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>left handed
>ptr charging handle out in in low earth orbit
>FAL parts kits are expensive, no forged receivers at reasonable prices, cant shoot steel
>M14 is an m14
>ar10 is an AR
who else /battlerifleincompatible/
like I said earlier ill probably just buy a flip garand if those work out.
or maybe do a main hand AK style reload with the ptr, right hand on foregrip, reach out with left but literally noone near me has any .308 HK pattern guns so fuck if i know

>>33594713
>Captain Grant is visibly upset

>>33594795
get a scar

>>33594832
>$3000 ugly tan hunk of meme that uses mags that are inferior to the sr25 pattern, and is so shittily designed it destroys optics

how about no

>>33594795
Reaching with your strong hand for the ptr doesnt seem that bad to me as long as you keep it shouldered

>>33594872
it accommodates your disability though

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>>33594795
I too am a left and know your plight.

The CETME/G3 family are all like that.

Cast receivers are fine. Just get a modern production one. Like everyone shits on DSA yet never gives a reason. I have however heard that they are just fine.

M14s are shid indeed.

AR10s are too light.


Personally I am just going to accept not having a carry handle on a FAL and buy a DSA. I was thinking of a PTR but as stated in your post and mine the charging handle is just too fucking far out there. Plus I'll get a warranty of some sort with a new production rifle. If you are dead set on building a FAL look on GB there are a few affordable kits on there. I was planning on doing that and just buying a DSA receiver but I don't feel like its worth the hassle.

>>33594872
It's not the SCAR's fault that most optics are designed for 5.56 guns with lightweight reciprocating components (i.e., M4s).

>>33594795
Why not just unshoulder the rifle, seat the stock on your thigh holding the foregrip with your right hand, and charge with your left?
Protip: that's how you reload an M1, so don't tell me "that won't work anon I need to keep the rifle shouldered" and then tell me that your solution is to buy an M1 which you'll unshoulder to reload every time.

Does anyone make a non-folding charging handle for the PTR/G3 rifles?
I hate having to finger the charging handle up before yanking it back. And if I use my palm then I scrape my hand on that little nub that the handle hooks onto

>>33594892
Thats like lighting a Van Gogh or Rembrandt on fire to stay warm instead of paying the bills.

>>33594881
Don't trust this poster, its an ayy lmao who does not understand human anatomy yet.

>>33594914
FAL is steeped in mystery and romance. Read the steel-case thread that was linked earlier, it's literally 100% rumors, conjecture, conflicting anecdotes, mis-representing things as evidence, getting called out, and then everyone agreeing that they still don't use steel because some guy in arizona said not to. It's a perfect little hugbox and they don't want to offend anybody but they don't have any evidence to offend anybody with anyway.

>>33594959
> >>33590356
Here's an explanation with no memes

>>33594952
>Van Gogh
Post-Impressionism is a bunch of degenerate trash.
Burning's too good for it.

>>33594872
Get it in black or cerakote. The SCAR mags are better than SR25 pattern mags that aren't $100+. Don't use poorfag glass.

>>33595012
I'm more of a monet man myself

>>33594938
The act of unlatching the charging handle is what disengages the rollers. Its required for functionality

Buy this
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-91-G3-PTR-C308-Cocking-Handle-Extended-125p199.htm

Its much nicer than the stock charging handle, and easier to unlatch

>>33595012
Van Gogh is seriously overrated. He was the beginning of the end of art

>>33594929
>seat the stock on your thigh
>not putting the buttstock under you arm, then reloading

That ptr reload sound super slow and objective worse than the garand's.

>so don't tell me "that won't work anon I need to keep the rifle shouldered"
>implying I am expecting the same manual of arms between rifle developed in the late 1920's, and one in the 1950's

>>33590356

>tula
>loaded hot
what? All I've never before now have heard Tula called hot.

>>33595120
i think i had a slight stroke while writing that

ps capcha is fucking gae

>>33595096
>I want a certain rifle but I'm too retarded to work around my handicap to operate it
Some people can't be helped.

>>33595120
Steel case is not hot when it comes to 5.56 or 7.62x39
Different story for .308 apparently
>>33595056
Thanks, I'll look into it.

>>33595120
I'd have to see if I can find what grain it was, but the CoreLokt I have is 180gr Soft Point, so even if it was 180gr Tula, it was very fuckin noticeable when I loaded some of that right after the Tula

I'll check my order history with SG and see if I can find it

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>>33595171
Just checked, it was 150gr, so I'll let that speak for itself that even I found the 150 uncomfortable and hot as shit compared to 180gr .308

I feel like that's where most people's arguments lie and they just don't realize it. I sold off 1 extra box of it so I went through 200 rounds of the shit too, not like I found a couple overloaded ones in a single box

>>33595208
Just so I understand what you're getting at, you're saying the recoil was noticeably higher than your other stuff, which you equate to increased wear?

>>33595249
Not just recoil, there was a noticeable effect on the gas system

If you don't own an FAL, basically they have an adjustable gas block that goes from all the way open (7) down to all the way closed (1) in increments of .5

Generally you want to find out how close to open you can get the gun to run reliably and then close it down another .5-1 to guarantee function, and then the intention is if you get adverse conditions or something you'd close it up tighter so more gas is used to cycle the action

Now, using Tula 150gr I could open the system all the way up to 6.5 and get reliable function and noticeably higher recoil than 180gr Remington on #5, or Israeli 7.62x51 surplus (which i assume is 147gr) also on the #5 setting, but I probably could've turned that down since it cycled it relatively light to the 180

>tl;dr ammo is loaded too hot which causes the action to become more violent and THAT is what i'm equating with excessive wear on the parts

>>33595280
So why not just open the gas vent more for the steel case to turn down the power on the piston? I assume that would be your first course of action.

>>33595333
Turning it to 7 turns it into a bolt action rifle

Would make more sense if I had explained opened vs closed better. Turning it to 1 siphons a shitton of gas to the piston and 7 lets all the gas vent out of the system, everything in between makes the vent hole larger or smaller

>>33595208
Weird I wonder if it has something to do with how the steel casing expels pressure? Now I want to shoot alternating Tula and brass case out of my PTR and try to feel a difference. Ive never felt a huge kick out of Tula with my PTR

Does the bull barrel on some of the PTR 91 models make a siginficant difference in accuracy, or is it not really worth the extra cost and weight over a PTR 91 GI?

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>>33593705
The AK fails this test badly too, as does the M1 Garand. Both are regarded as legendary combat rifles.

Dirt ingress into a rifle is not as important as people make it out to be on the internet, and even AR15s with it's legendary sealed system suffer over in the sandbox with fine dust.

>>33594072
That's not indicative of a windy day or just a little mud on your gun lol. Look at the M1s mud test.

>>33594083
The M14 is an accurate rifle, why do you noguns faggots keep meming this.

It's NOT a precision weapon or a snipers tool, however. You can't expect any of the big 3 or even most ARs to shoot better than 2 MOA while scoped.

>>33594142
Bullshit.

>>33594181
This is some next level meming.

>>33594182
He's not saying inaccurate guns are MORE FUN he's saying they aren't any less fun than ones that shoot "MOA"

Which no, your FAL or PTR does not.

>>33596349
Well my BRs are a SCAR and an LMT MWS

>>33596505
So you have 4-5k into each gun?

Alrighty then.

>>33594288
Can't say what optic would do it for you. The aimpoint looks good, although I can never imagine how the fuck people look down them when they're so forward; I have glasses though so that doesn't help when trying to view through optics.

>>33596349
Will we ever see a day these types of "tests" where they dump shit into the rifle die? I swear all they do is promote dick-waving.
Also, anyone who gets mud/shit in their rifle is an idiot who can't move through the woods without dropping their firearm like a retarded chimp who can't cling to a branch, or at least that's what it seems like.

>>33594713
I don't see where that says it was inch pattern. I've read that wiki page before.

>>33594181
>>just never shoot it outdoors or drop it on any hard surfaces

Explain.

>>33590356
That's very odd. Steel case is generally pretty underpowered compared to most equivalent brass case.

>>33596524
5-6

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>>33596626
You can tell by the holes in the front sight ears and the shape of the pistol grip, and you could also just guess from the fact that it was the 50s and Americans back then couldn't even pretend to even into the metric system.

>>33596711
Fair enough, I just found it odd that it was an inch pattern considering FN made them.

>>33596728
They made inch pattern for the other anglosphere countries

>>33596645
The locking surfaces in the M14's action are totally exposed (how lewd) and vulnerable to dust/mud infiltration that kills the gun. Shooting it indoors would avoid this.
National Match accurized M14s are notoriously fragile; rough handling, to include touching the upper handguard or just shooting them, causes them to deaccurize in short order. There's a well-known incident from late in Carlos Hathcock's life where him and his NM M14 took a spill and the guy he was walking with prioritized catching the gun over catching the legendary sniper. This reputaion for fragility is often memed over onto regular M14s.

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>>33596754
Are you suggesting that the M1A cannot be reliably fired outdoors?

You're aware that the M1 has a similarly exposed system that was a nonissue in the largest war ever right?

We're not talking about NM M14s losing precise zero because of the barrel not being free floated.

>memes spouted by people who pop off a couple boxes a month at the range and read a lot of magazines

>>33593637
Are/were you ill, anon?

>>33594872
You can literally buy a SCAR that uses SR25 magazines.

I didn't even know there was a quality difference.

>>33595760
its worth it

>>33597213
>tfw you will never shoot gooks in vietnam in a field that was cleared by napalm

>>33597558
Never having to go back to SEA?
I'll be fine.
Jungle Asia is a fucked up place

>>33581677
>frogtwitter dubs
>in my /brg

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Fuck /brg/, I just got a FAL kit and wanna wuild on a Type I receiver, hopefully Coonan. I just called them and back order time is less than 180 days. Should I just roll the dice and order a DSA or wait it out?

>>33598683
I'd consider DSA less of a dice roll than coonan.

>call around to several LGSs about transfers
>we don't accept assault weapons, you know, ak, ar style rifles or pistols
>we charge $100 per transfer
what the fuck is wrong with these people
for $200 I could be doing transfers out of my living room and charging my friends $20 and not be a fucking douchebag

>>33598760
this

>>33598852
What state?

>>33598959
Tucson. These guys are all faggots and I don't know why, we live in fucking Arizona.

>>33598987
I use a private guy in Glendale who only charges $20
Is it really only $200 for an FFL license? Dude must be making bank doing a couple of transfers per day

>>33599032
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/form-7-application-federal-firearms-license-atf-form-531012/download

$200 every three years for unlimited transfers fo free plus all the paperwork you could ever dream of.

>>33599032
Honestly he probably hates doing FFL transfers and would only ever do them if someone's stupid or lazy enough to pay $200.

>>33599066
He literally just said the guy charges 20 bucks.

>>33599066
Reread the post, the guy is charging $20 per transfer. Since it only costs $200 to become an FFL, he can recoup his investment after only ten transfers every three years. The rest goes straight to the bank.

>>33598760
>>33598939
Thanks fellas

AR10 & SCAR are the only relevant battle rifles today.

Prove me wrong.

Who has an FN 49? Found an Egyptian 8mm at a LGS, it looks like it's in good shape. Guy says he'll throw in 100x 8mm, $750 US. Is this a fun gun? I love those early semi-autos...

>>33599568
1 vs 1 fgt

>>33599568
I can't argue

>>33583862
>>33584711
Said no one ever that shoots in 3gun

>>33599611
>>33599800

That's what I thought.

Own and shoot whatever you like though, it's not as if you're going to be getting in any firefights.

>>33588598
I hope this is b8 because it's literally the other way around.

>>33599862
I actually own a SCAR and a 308 AR. While I'm thinking about putting together an FAL, I hold no qualms that's it will be anything other than a shitty old toy

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>not enough 308
BR problems.

>>33599931
I like how there's a failure to eject in the full video.

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So I have an G3 clone with a wide hand guard. How the hell do people deal with the stupid metal clip on the left side of the handguard? It either cuts my hand open or bashes into my fingernail depending on how I charge it. What was HK thinking?

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full national match spec'd soon

>>33600180
I don't know. You're the first person I've seen have that problem here.

>>33591715
>poorfag mad because he he can't afford nice things

>>33597657
>tfw still waiting for Bronze Age Perv's nudist fascist bodybuilder march on Washington, and also the MDR

>>33600394
Kool

>>33590997
No longer legal in my cucked state senpai. I was looking for the scout model but couldn't find one before the ban went into effect.

>>33594288
I'm thoroughly jealous of your M1A scout. My cucked state banned every variation of the M1A. Ironically, they didn't ban garands.

>>33601735
>>33601754
what state(s) do you live in anon(s)?

>>33600180
suck less

>>33601855
The Democratic People's Republic of Maryland.

>>33601754
get a .308 Garand that takes M14 mags
spite is its own reward
http://shuffsparkerizing.com/services/mag-fed-garand/

>>33602303
That would be a BM59, which is banned

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>>33602327
>That would be a BM59
wrong, unless the DPRM gun czar has literally no idea what a BM59 is

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>>33602393
Nigga, did you even look at your link? I mean fuck, it's even in the page title.

>>33602205
Yeah, I see now. Listed in §5–101, named regulated firearm. [5-101(r)(2) of the Public Safety Article]

Oddly, I don't see the SCAR... I do see G3, FAL, M1A, and AR-15... am I missing it?

Also, sorry you live in a cuck state.

>>33602423
It's not a BM59 unless it takes BM59 magazines, which your hypothetical rifle wouldn't.
Furthermore, even if it did, it's still an M1 Garand, for the same reason that a transferable M16 with a 14.5" barrel and an adjustable stock is still an M16, not an M4, and an M1 carbine with a receiver marked "M2" is still a machine gun, even if it's not capable of full-auto fire.
It says "M1" on the receiver, so that's what it is, period.

>>33602647
Does the clip latch actually do anything on mag fed garand variants?
>>33602567
The SCAR probably came after the ban.

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>>33600180
Get one without the sling point.

>>33602687
>Does the clip latch actually do anything on mag fed garand variants?
You can get it replaced with a BM59-style bolt stop, but otherwise no.

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>>33602815
That's what I did too. :^)

>>33602835
Oh okay, thanks for the straight answer.

>>33602687
I see. Shame, hopefully a pre-ban scout model shows up for you.
Or you could go operator modo with SCAR, I guess. Best wishes either way.

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Are match grade trigger packs worth getting for a PTR 91? Specifically this one -

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/PTR-HK91-G3-308-7-62-Enhanced-Trigger-Pack-Match-107p17014.htm

>>33603155
why don't you just go full retard and get a psg1 trigger pack if you care so much
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/PSG-1-Trigger-Pack-Assembly-German-37p907.htm

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Considering slapping a decent optic on my L1A1 to make a sort of "DMR". Which mounts are worth looking into? Kinda thinking of something like pic related, but with a mix of wood/black furniture.

Also, are there handguards that allow the bipod to fold flush? How good are they?

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>>33603253

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>>33603286
More like this, but with a wood stock and pistol grip, a DSA A2-style rear sight and a modern rail and optic.

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>>33603341

>>33603253
>l1a1
> >>33603341
You're gonna need a metric FAL. Buy a SUIT scope for 350-400 bucks, an OIP or a Hensoldt+mount will run you about 6-700 bucks anyways if you can find one

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>>33603248
I just want a better trigger, is it worth buying one like that or just sending my current one into a trigger tuner?

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>>33589790
do you shoot in a dump lol?

>>33590642
because hk fanboys are litterally retired

>>33593453
nice unscoped rail lol what a waste

>>33598683
coonan is junk

>>33599155
you gotta reup every few years fagpai

>>33600394
still shit

>>33603155
no ptr91s suck shit stop trying to polish a turd and killyourself

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>>33603397
Nice

>>33603375
If you wanted a good trigger, you probably shouldn't have bought a PTR.

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>>33603373
>L1A1
But it is. A genuine Bong L1A1, in the black polymer furniture that I dislike.

I considered a SUIT, but I'd just prefer a regular rail/optic.

>>33603447
I didn't buy the gun for its trigger, I just want to get a better trigger for it.

>>33603397
Jesus christ you are fucking autistic

>>33603397
You're ugly AF IRL, its disappointing seeing as how you dress up like a pretty loli

>>33603513
yea wannabe traps dont understand that traps have to have pretty faces to be called traps. Otherwise they are just guys with faggotboi bodys.

which vendor has the cheapest aluminum g3 magazines?

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>>33603467
No I meant you're not gonna get to put a bunch of metric shit on it, I don't think the STANAG mounts interface properly on them

Also your barrel isn't BC so buying BC handguards would be a waste. Buy a SUIT if you want to turn your L1A1 into a DMR otherwise get a metric FAL, metric wood with BC handguard, and get a STANAG mount+OIP or Hensoldt optic

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>>33603447
Different fag here, what battle rifle for 1500 or less has the best trigger? Also barrels of 20 inches or more preferred.

>>33603772
.308 AR

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>>33603895
Goddammit. That's the one I didn't want.

Ugh. I find ARs so fucking boring and flavorless but they're objectively probably the best rifle to suit my needs.

fml.

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>>33603919
>surplus vs new production
>what has the best trigger
You should've expected this

>>33603919
Listen here my man, its like 70 dollars for a good trigger tune. Check out bill springfield.

>>33603772
CMP M1 Garand with a trigger job
a used M&P10 with a Geissele G2S might fit your budget if an 18" barrel isn't a problem

>>33603919
Could put an aftermarket trigger in the FAL or G3

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>>33603919
Stop being poor and get a SCAR. It's got all the practicality of a .308 AR and all the flavor of literally anything else.

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>>33604077
If I had SCAR money I wouldnt be asking about battle rifles I'd just be throwing it at a smith to build me a custom barreled action with some absurdly long barrel chambered in 6.5 Creedmore or something.

>>33603990
How much do good ones cost and will it get closeish to the Timney in my 700?

>>33603989
18" is a problem unfortunately. If I wanted to go the building route, how much does it cost for a fairly normal upper, not including the barrel? Maybe a better way of asking is if I spend good money on a barrel for a build, how much more should I expect to spend for the rest of the upper? Pricing lowers + LPK + stock is easy enough for me.

>>33588002
>that guy on the left
so thats where it comes from.

>>33604160
I hope you aren't reffering to Zergface because that's not it.

I'm not around /k/ much anymore though so maybe there's a new meme I dont know about.

>>33603397
Yeah it's pretty much the only fun place to shoot in FL.

Fuck ranges.

>>33604148
You know you can get an arbitrarily long 6.5 CM barrel for your SCAR, right?
http://deadshotbarrels.com/?page_id=820

>>33604148
3.5lbs?
http://www.jardinc.com/fal-metric/

You can find 24" AR barrels easy.
I have a 24" creedmoor barrel under my bed

>>33603939
dat photoshopped fail

>>33588002
Tfw nevver seen the original before today

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>>33604247
Yeah but at that point it's not about just barrel length. When it really comes down to it, I just prefer bolt action precision guns above almost anything else. Stuff like pistols, lever guns, and the battle rifle that I'm considering are fun ways to mess around but I try not to go overboard with them. If I ever had the 3k+ needed to consider buying a SCAR I'd definitely just be trying to get an affordable version of my dream rifle built, something like a blueprinted Remington 700 action, 26" M40 contour barrel in 6.5 Creedmore, XLR element chassis, various odds and ends for the rest.

>>33604318
It's just a mockup for a future project

Will metric rear sights work on an inch-pattern FAL, or will they be off?

>>33603534
anyone?

>>33604492
They won't line up properly, L1A1 sights are higher

>>33604366
>I just prefer bolt action precision guns above almost anything else
That's cool. I understand because I'm the same way about revolvers.

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>>33603397
>who took the picture???
did sa/k/uya get himself some cute boipucci?

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>>33604536
Darn. I was eyeballing one of those sexy DSA aperture A2-style rear sights, but they're Metric. Is there something out there similar, but for Inchfags like me?

>>33604686
A real FAL :^

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>>33604692
>Implying
Brit FAL best FAL
With exception of C1. Maybe I should just do a C1 build.

>>33588621
Why would it be rubles? In all honesty it probably be fucking British pounds or Euros with all that commie bullshit.

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>>33603397

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>>33599855
>gawdy instagram whore crowd
>flashy sporty t-shirts
>pretentious "tagdigul operdador" attidudes everywhere
>muh oakley sunglasses
>holding your gun dumb as fuck
>no pressure of returning fire
>human targets = cardboard

so many faugettes with their nose up their own ass. Dont want to get their Monster *tm competition shirts dirty from low-crawling through 4 inches of mud or moving structure to structure.

Nah just ducking behind piles of tires and pulling shotguns out of barrels like its a fucking video game just to show how cool you are shoving a shell through the breach instead of just having a loaded shotgun to begin with.

Dont forget to spread your legs and squat in front of the camera when shooting your glock 17 with the reddot mini. Being a badass in a super sterile and clean environment is what matters.

3gun and anything with that obnoxious beeping is just warfare turned into crossfit. KYS FAGGOT

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>>33600180
lol I hope you arent grabbing it overhand in any way (you are)

Its supposed to go into the palm of your hand. It doesnt ever need to go near your fingernails. You rack it as if it were a machine gun.

I can see you now, prying it cocked open with the tips of your fingers like a grossed out teenage girl and pulling it back overhanded with your fingers wrapped around it.

>>33607019
I'm sure you get a lot more benefit sitting down and shooting at a 50 yard target rite?

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>>33607051
>g3 forces you to use a shittier method of charging
>AND it's like 2.5 feet from your body
Fuckin kek

>>33603155
>>33603375
Dont listen to the anally annihilated FALgets, I have that enhanced trigger pack and its tits. Would def recommend. Feels like a bolt action trigger now, breaks very nicely.

>>33607070
>is jelly he cannot channel the warrior spirit realm with the reckoning power of the HK slap

>>33607056
What the fuck did I say about sitting on your ass and shooting at 50 yards? 3gun is just gun crossfit. Has no substance other than looking cool, posting your run on instagram, and showing off how much repetition of meme reloads pays off for your stupid timed, rehearsed drill.

>Brought to you by Red Bull!

>>33607115
I'd like to see you outshoot a 3gunner at literally anything though. Because I've done it and I plan to keep doing and not only is it fun as fuck it actually requires a lot of skill

>le hk slap meme
Tried it, didn't care. If I ever bought a G3 or similar platform I'd reload by just charging every single time

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Alright guys if I want an FAL what are the most affordable (without being Century or whatever) versions to look at? Looked at the DSA Voyager but no carry handle makes me want to puke.

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>>33603498
yes thanks you too

>>33603513
>>33603527
not a trap so it doesnt matter

>>33604630
the cutest

>>33606136
lewd

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>>33600109
Not a real FAL without some kind of failure.

>>33608030
>atf says you have to remove device in the receiver that keeps it from firing oob
>"lol it fired oob"
pottery

>>33608039
Out of curiousity: on a kit build, is that the same reason you get hammer follow if you set the selector to Auto?

>>33608059
Yes. The same thing will happen if you put an FA safety and trigger pack in an AK

>>33608068
I figured. I got to shoot someone's kit build the other day and kept having to work the action until I realized someone had put it onto the full retard setting.

>>33608039
This kaboom was actually from firing cheap wolf steel case ammo.

Case head completely sheared off and the casing was left in the chamber. Not surprising with the lack of chamber support the FAL has.

>>33604805
Best FAL< worst PTR

>>33608080
>round doesn't seat all the way
>fire gun oob
>blow out back of case
Wow it's exactly what I just fuckin said but with some more words

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>>33608086
This much pain and butthurt I find enjoyable. I wish anon would step up his game to complete sentences though.

New thread:
>>33608108
>>33608108
>>33608108

>>33608089
It was a bad round. Not oob discharge.

>>33608089
No it wasnt cuntslot like who are you even lying to we can scroll up and read.