The cracks are appearing in the J-20 propaganda

>>33302588

Patrols.

F-22 fuel tanks actually hold more fuel.

The real cracks have been evident for a long time.

Its not a air superiority fighter, its essentially an attack plane, a modern F-111.

Hahaha. Chinks are planning on using J-20s to defend their SCS islands. No way they can get that kinda range without those tanks.

That's not even trying anymore

>Chinks try to test if it is possible
>they find it's possible
>burgers think that's all it can do

>>33302693
>appear strong when weak
>appear weak when strong
I don't even know who's Tsuing who anymore.

>>33302588
>Why would a plane as large as the J-20 need those massive external fuel tanks?
To bomb Pearl Harbor without refueling. To keep US Navy 2000 miles away from Chinese coast.

>>33302712

>US navy is currently in and around the SCS as we speak

Chicom pride crushed

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>>33302748

>>33302616
t b h it seems more like an interceptor

>>33302588
Full of egg drop soup delivery.

>>33302794

Its simply too slow to do that reliably. Mach 1.7 for the J-20, according to aviation week. B-1 goes Mach 1.25.

>>33302588
South China sea

They are claiming lands so very far than them, that's why they needed a massive range plane

>>33302588
It's their first try at building something, cut them some slack.

>>33302846

Thats not really how it works for mil equipment buddy

I dont think the M1 tankers took it easy on the iraqi's lion of babylon T-72's.

>>33302901
You are confusing fighting an actual war with opining on military equipment, buddy. We don't criticize the US for the Lee being a piece of shit, we recognize that it was an essential evolutionary step towards the Sherman.

Sure is Summer here

>>33302919

When you look at the lees service in africa, it did quite well.

Also note how you still called the lee a piece of shit. In your opionon, being a step to a new design did not preclude it from being a peice of shit.

Ergo, and in keeping with the analogy to the thread, in your opinion the J-20 is a piece of shit?

>>33302954
It's a piece of shit but understandably. Is that a hard concept for you to grasp? Should the Chinese, despite being multiple generations behind in tech, have caught up to the US on their first try?

>>33302969
Just making sure you were not a shill is all.

No, nobody thinks that, but deluded chicoms.

>>33302969
when they're copying our shit, yes.

>>33302588

I'd guess patrols. But those tanks negate it's entire purpose of being a long range strike fighter.

All China does is copy other people's models, including government. All they can ever hope to be is second best.

>>33302693
Without the fuel tanks, the best a J-20 can do is intercept in the SCS. So yea, that's all it can do.

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>>33302588
Chinks can't build jet engines worth a damn, they're probably more thirsty than an Irishman by 9am

>>33303183
Sure nice sources though. Too salty for me.

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>>33303211

Goddamn every fucking day.

Every fucking day these vids convince me living in China is like living in a Final Destination movie where destiny is trying to murder the shit out of you.

>>33303242
>Expecting sources beyond Chicom propaganda photos
I guess we'll have to assume the J-20 can fly at mach 3 with a range of a B-52 and has the RCS of a fly. Or, we can assume something less retarded like it's a piece of shit interceptor.

>>33303264
>>33303211

This was stupid, but so was the retard that got crushed.

Situation shouldn't have been presented in the first place, but you've clearly never been taught basic job safety if your first instinct is to try and weigh the godamn forklift down yourself

>>33303285

Well yeah obviously. It was just a dumb idea from the get go.

But that's what I'm saying. Safety standards, training, and just general common sense when it comes to preserving life seems to be absent in China.

>>33303274

I think its too slow to be an interceptor.

It, to me, is an attack plane though and through.

Sure it can carry AA missiles, but so can the A-10, does not make it a fighter.

>>33303302
How is it an attack plane? There's no ground in the ocean.

>>33303211
>using people as counterweights
>having the load at eye level instead of right above the ground
>having the roof rack covered, obscuring your vision
>thinking you can keep it from tipping over with your arms
that is some grade A stupid right there. its a good thing there are over a billion of them. must be nice to be expendable.

>>33303333
damn i almost got 3s

>Everyone still playing Guess Who? with new commblock toys

>>33303327

Are you saying the ocean is devoid of targets on it?

Or are you saying the J-20 (a plane that takes off from the ground) cant strike ground targets?

>>33303333
>>33303357

wewlad

>>33303379
>Are you saying the ocean is devoid of targets on it?
I'm saying this. I don't see how there are any ground targets when US naval doctrine involves aircrafts.

Thie purpose is to give the plane range before "going dark".

The weak point in US doctrine is that all support craft are easy targets.

China can area denial the US by using the J-20 to murder rape the back lines. US planes are useless with refueling and AWACS assests.

>>33303433
>US planes are useless with refueling and AWACS assests.
And I suppose China has magical assets that detect all US assets? You must be joking if you think China can see shit without their own reconnaissance.

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>>33303433
nice one chang

>>33303433
>t. slope or a fucking leaf

>>33303430
yes. The US navy is completely comprised of aircraft.

You did it.

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>>33303264
It happens a lot because they just don't have any workplace health and safety programs. Combine this with substandard training in the first place, and you get people trying to kick start wood chippers or sticking their heads into live hydraulic presses.

Civilians are also put at risk though. I imagine your were referring to faulty Chinese elevators and escalators that kill thousands of people every year in China, instead of industrial accidents like this.

>>33303433

The issue here is US awacs can detect stealth.

oops

>>33303589
I think he meant that USN aircraft have no situations in which they must attack ground targets.

>>33303621
....to which he would be equally as retarded.

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>>33303593

WHY

WHY WHY WHY WHY

>>33303630
Mmm, yeah. They not only attack groud targets that are actually on solid ground, but also boats and submarines, the latter of which is below sea level.

>>33303643
Those are stealth pods. They actually improve the stealth.

>>33303645

>what is it....feeling

>its....scared.......NO WAIT ITS HUNGR-

>>33303593

>Hey Chen - ten Yuan if you touch the roller. Cmon do it faggot, I dare you

>>33303688

>so then i told chen to touch the roller

>HE ACTUALLY DID IT THAT MADMA-

>>33303645
chinks m8

>>33303645
I told you why; shitty OHS and training. I take it this disturbs you because you're a machine worker? If you want, I could post a webm of a chinaman getting crushed by a lathe, an elvavator, or a hydraulic press.

>>33303599
China has means of destroying AWACS. They'll use top attack missiles which cannot be detected by the AWACS radar.

>>33303837
They have MS paint pictures of top attack weapons, which ignores the FOV of current AESA awac radars, not to meantion the range at witch they launch is well in range of the awacs itself.

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>>33302588
>>33303211
>>33303593
Ok, let's get right down to brass tacks: how many chinamen do you think we're killed on the job just to build the first J-20? How many do you think lost their lives to create the rest? Place your bets people!

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CHINA

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>>33303854
I think you are forgetting about their hypersonic missiles.

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>>33303725

No it disturbs me because I can't believe people would be so dumb. My father is a machinist and I've seen what has happened to people careless enough to have loose clothing near a lathe.

I just can't comprehend the ignorance is all. How do you not have respect for a machine that's turning hundreds of thousands of pounds of torque?

Do they have schools in China?

>>33304047
I think you are forgetting about the SM-3.

For example, WU-14 exists right in SM-3's engagement zone, and the SM-3 is going faster.

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>>33303451
>>33303473
>>33303496
>>33303599

Just because you are ignorant of the topic doesn't make my statement false.

>>33304132

Meant to add this: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/7806/chinas-j-20-stealth-fighter-photographed-toting-massive-external-fuel-tanks

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>>33302588
It's well known that China cannot into jet engines.

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>>33304216
they fixed that a while ago

>>33303837
>China has means of destroying AWACS
Not without their own AWACS. Not without a screen of F-35 destroying the paper J-20.

>They'll use top attack missiles which cannot be detected by the AWACS radar.
A massive missile profile on a J-20. That RCS can't be juicier to an F-35 with AESA.

>>33304257
Yeah, they started photoshopping the smoke out. Their engines are still street-shitter tier next to America's, or even Russia's.

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>>33304249

DENIED
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>>33304052
For the last time, they have no OHS. They don't even have the "talk" with the manager where he tells everyone about all the idiots who got killed working on the machines before the new guys were hired. That's something that every kid in the west gets when they first start shop class.

I still remember my teacher telling my class about the time a kid tied ropes to his arms and then tied the other ends to two lathes across the room so he could "fight" them.

>>33304342
>I still remember my teacher telling my class about the time a kid tied ropes to his arms and then tied the other ends to two lathes across the room so he could "fight" them.

Im going to guess he lost?

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>>33304285

...aaand the Darwin Award go to....

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>>33304285
No, the elevators are not fine.

>>33304342
>I still remember my teacher telling my class about the time a kid tied ropes to his arms and then tied the other ends to two lathes across the room so he could "fight" them.
What???

I don't understand this. Fight the lathes? Can you diagram this? Were the lathes on opposite sides of the room? Did it tear him in half?

>>33304373
Did he dead?

>>33304355
He lost a hand, to be exact.

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>>33304342

>teacher telling my class about the time a kid tied ropes to his arms and then tied the other ends to two lathes across the room so he could "fight" them.

>>33304375
He wanted to show everyone that he was stronger than the class lathes and could stop them from spinning. They were on opposite sides of the room.

>>33304373

FUCK, last time I went to China in 2014, I was just privately amused by the general shoddiness of construction, I'm going again next month, and I'm going to be thinking of these webms every time I step near anything remotely dangerous.

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>>33304342
>>33304375

Like this?

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>>33304397
Looks like he suffocated

>>33304423

I guess the lathes showed him.

>>33304426

Seriously, stay off the escalators and elevators.

>>33304426

>step near anything remotely dangerous

Someone post the weebm of the poor fuck getting demolished by the lightpost.

>>33304397
Yeah. You see him taking his last breaths towards the end of the webm. He was rescued about ten minutes after that and could not be revived. The elevator had hurt a couple other people that month, as well. A student lost his foot in a similar accident. You can also see the elevator continue to crush him slowly, like a python, if you skip through the video.

>>33304427
That's how my 7th grade metal working teacher made it sound. Guy puts ropes on lathes, then arms, then gets his friends to turn on the lathes.

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>>33304446

This one?

>>33304052
Because the people have no concept of what the figures really mean.

Example here,
Forklift overloaded an tipped, rather than letting the driver lower the blades this Chinese worker thought she could hold it down.
It doesn't end well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOXaLpOgSRU&t=8s&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZOXaLpOgSRU%26t%3D8s&has_verified=1

>>33304530
Someone up there did not want that guy in white to live

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>>33304426
>I'm going again next month, and I'm going to be thinking of these webms every time I step near anything remotely dangerous.

>>33303433
>Implying only the US relies on support aircraft and that it's not just the way modern air warfare works

>>33304552
Great, isn't it

Just as true as putting "Poison Free!" on the side of your cereal box. True, but its not like it isn't true for everyone else too

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>>33304132
Yeah nah go fuck yourself m8. Everything about China is shit. Fuck China. Fuck Chinks, and I hope you choke on the next cock you suck

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>>33304575
FUCK CHINA
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>>33304586
Every time an assmad impotent slope posts I will bash china even further

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>>33304601
Bashing China should be an Olympic sport.

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>>33304612
>inb4 50 centers try to make a hilarious last stand

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>>33303211

>These people are flooding into Canada and the West, making human life less valuable day by day.

Fucking nuke them.

The entire world should conspire to foment a nuclear exchange between China and India.

Our futures depend on it.

>>33304530
Initial D remix when?

>>33304547
>Chinese being cautious
ARE THEY EVOLVING???

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>>33304649
Nah, they'll do that for a bit then settle back into thinking China is great again. Until the next major industrial accident.

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>>33304663
Daily reminder to nuke China

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>>33304672
CHINK GENOCIDE NOW

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>>33304686

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>>33304696
Goddamn fucking Chinese filth.

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>>33304700

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>>33304710

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>>33304720
Almost done

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>>33304735
I really should condense these.

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>>33304745
I got more if anyone wants them. this concludes this set of "Why china is shit and should never be taken seriously"

>>33304783
I feel like webms of preventable industrial accidents are more effective at conveying that than 15 tl;dr images. You didn't need to post all that. You're right about needing to condense your images.

>>33304783
I'm enjoying these.

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>>33304815
Here have these 3. China doesn't have a prayer.

>>33302588
Burger propaganda. The J-20 is a serious threat and the Americans are scared shitless. lmao

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>>33304863

>>33304867
Make me an eggroll.

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>>33303099
Dubs for truth.

>>33304922
Fug :DD

>>33302588
What?

Have you seen F-15 fuel tanks?

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>>33304874
/fin

>>33304867
Breathe in some canned air Chang that Beijing air is clouding your judgement

>>33304285
Are Chinese retarded?

>>33305017
Yes.

>>33304963

Bro I'm not even bothering to read these (OK I read one randomly).
Like the other anon said, more images, less asperg.

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>1.45 billion people
>5 videos of accidents is representative of all 1.45 billion

How is this weapons related? Is this the butthurt obese white teenager containment thread?

The fuel tanks are practically the same size as the F-15's.

>>33305075
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Tianjin_explosions

TL;DR - Big ass explosion. Explosion = /k/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgurTdK0PTA

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>>33305075

lmao nice try

>>33302834
That's faster than the F-35 and fast enough to intercept a B-1 I'd imagine. Can you explain why what you wrote is such a strike against the J-20.

>>33305128
inb4 dumbasses again try to say this was a mini nuke

>>33302969
I think anon's point is that we're not saying the Chinese are stupid or anything but we're saying that, at the moment it looks like the J-20 isn't up to par, end of story. That being said there is an issue when you think about it, because it doesn't matter how unprepared you are, or how long it took you to catch up, at the end the day the enemy (in this case the USA) doesn't care. Any lapse in capability is one that a potential adversary will exploit.

>>33305160
IKR

>implying chinks can consistently build quality mini-nukes

>>33305186
Not the guy you are replying to, but I will say that all day.

>>33302707
lol

>>33305017
>33305017
No...kids in general are retarded

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>>33305128
>>33305160
>>33305197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGuTkrsVoFw
we all know what it was.

>>33302707
(you) deserve more (you)s

in this thread i sense worried Americans feeling like their pride and military superiority is at stake slightly, and are desperately looking to find flaws in other superpowers tech and gear. i know i'm correct, the real question is is anyone here willing to admit i'm right or am i going to be told these clowns that started this thread have a reason other than bashing a Chinese jet to be talking. Time will tell.

>>33304700

Oh boy some pathetic anaesthatised American lifestock calls me filth because of cherry picked some bullshit half truths he took the time in his worthless life to write out. Sure showed me bro

>>33305566

Americans dont like anything trying to break their fantasy view of the world.

This guy sums it up perfectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReMJow3vROY

>>33305566
How much money does the party give you for sucking off Mao's corpse?

>>33305606
yup, but their the 'best country in the world duuuuuude', imagine being so fucking childish you feel the need to brandish your country as 'the best', as if thats measurable by any one quality or test.

>>33305606
Ghost is the best.

>>33305590
Lmao keep pretending that China isn't garbage. Your governments propaganda may work on your inferior minds but it is useless here.

>>33305617
none, actually. i know very little about China. i'm from the UK. not a huge fan of china or Asia in general but this thread made me giggle a bit, you Americans find it very easy to get your pride hurt by another country simply having a jet 'better' than your own, fucking grow up.

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>>33305627
Where do you come from? You almost sound like a butthurt Eurofag.

>>33305639
Loooooooool of course a britcuck. Don't you have some scotts you need to round up? Or have you people just accepted the fact that your irrelevant country is going to become even more useless and unimportant when Scotland breaks away?

>>33305646
Kek, you called it.

>>33305646
i come from Britain. so indeed i am a 'eurofag' as you so intelligently put it, and if anyone is 'butthurt' its the creators of this thread, or are you too dense to grasp the concept of why this thread is retarded.

>>33305676
i live in Scotland, buddy. Nice try. Also its 'scots' not 'scotts'. not sure what else i expected from the intelligent people in this thread.

>>33305631

>Your governments propaganda may work on your inferior minds but it is useless here


Lmao the fucking irony of an American saying this

>>33305702
>i come from Britain. so indeed i am a 'eurofag' as you so intelligently put it,
*tips fedora*

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Chinks related

>>33302707
Nice

>/k/
>Weapons

This is beyond butthurt, this is pretty much an asshole gaped

>>33305715
>1 letter off
>Somehow proves superiority over me

Come talk to me when you ginger fucks actually do something worthwhile that isn't sucking your English lords cock.

>>33305926
t. chink loving britcuck

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>>33305954
>>33305729
>>33305715
>>33305606
>>33305590
>>33305566

Internet must be down in China today CDF is late as fuck to this thread

>>33303433
>J-20 to murder rape the back lines
Yes because AWACs are always left vulnerable and not defended at all.

>>33304342
>they have no OHS
I would like to think that normal, thinking adults are smart enough to not put their hands anywhere near a swirling mass of steel death, even without OHS telling them its a bad idea to do so.

>>33304530
>crushed to pieces by a light pole
>then a car rolled on top of you
>then a fiery explosion
>then a truck runs over you

God must really hate this person...

>>33305954
something productive? what, you mean like, found america? lmao

>>33306359
Thanks BTW.

It's like you britniggers were smart enough to create an Elysium.

>>33304672
2.) Japan imported its religion directly from China at the time. It later reformed its idealisms through religious expeditions outside of its borders by monks.
3.) Japan was saved by two miraculous typhoons. While they were not caught with their pants down, it is almost certain they would have been subsumed by the superior military force. Japan had been a peaceful nation for generations by this time and was unfamiliar with the concept of war.
4.) Hogwash. While Japan DID import technology from the outside, the country as a whole stagnated technologically. This is on account of the policy of sakoku, in which no one could enter or leave the country under penalty of death, barring trade at Dejima from specific individuals. They were using similar firearms during the Sengoku period as when their borders were forcibly opened by Admiral Perry centuries later.
5.) Again, false. They never returned specifically because of a difficulty in succession. They certainly desired to subsume China, and thus Korea. After Hideyoshi perished, his ambition to conquer Korea was abandoned. You can be sure that even after his initial failures he would have continued had he survived.
6.) To my knowledge, it was the French that were invited into Japan to modernize and teach their officers and soldiers modern tactics, not the Germans. I would not be surprised however.

Japan is similar to China in many ways. They by all means shared art, culture, religion, and even warfare technologies for centuries. They diverged because of geographical isolation and social policy.

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>>33302588
OP here, thanks for all the (you)'s guys.

I made this thread to bait reverse people into trashing the J-20s drop tanks and my god it took off.

Just look at the diarrhoea in this thread. Liveleak webms, /pol/ screencaps and other jingoistic shit I've known for a long time your brains revolve around. I've gotten you to trash fuel tanks of all things. I turned an excellent tactical advantage into a horrible design flaw as if to say the F-16, F-15, F-18 and F-22 are all trash because they also rely on fuel tanks.

And you all took the bait so nicely. I'll post another thread next week to show you again what a cesspit this board is and fundamentally just how fucking gullible you all are.

>>33306157
While 'murder rape' was a dramatic overstatement, as a doctrine the approach he describes is valid. It's really quite similar to the United States's approach to combatting IADS - just replace the ground based sams and radars with ships and awacs. Part of the goal of the Chinese carrier program and surface fleet buildup is to force engagements that create opportunities for these planes to perfomr penetrating strikes on American combined arms.

As has been pointed out before, even if chinktech isn't as effective as it should be in order to do this effectively, developing the institutional knowledge to conduct these kind these kind of operations is important. Same reason they're so happy about their shitty carrier. Also, even though chinese engines, missiles, radars, and stealth aren't up to American standards, it IS possible to make up for this with numbers to a degree, especially with a population that will accept inordinate losses.

Remember, deterrence is the name of the game, not actual war.

>>33306913
Wrong. I'm the OP and I made the thread to shit on the J-20 because that's what it is, shit. A stealth aircraft the size of a bus with drop tanks, just fuck my shit up famalam. That thing couldn't penetrate Ugandan air space.

>>33306913
>>33306983
You're both faggots though.

>>33307061
At least I'm not wrong.

>>33302588
Cracks... or Chinks?

>>33306913
Having external fuel tanks doesn't prove anything and anyone who thinks that is retarded. They're most likely ferry tanks.

That being said, the J-20 is still trash because it's fucking Chinese and the Chinese have constantly proven themselves to be incompetent.

Better than the PAKFA, though.

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>>33306913

no youre not

>>33303643
why does pilot shoot the guy with misile

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>>33306983
>That thing couldn't penetrate Ugandan air space

>>33302588
Making a plane bigger doesn't automatically make it longer-range. It has fighter-like proportions and will have a fighter-like L/D. It has fighter-like structural margins and will have a fighter-like fuel fraction (UNLESS it carries lighter, flimsier external tanks). And lastly, it uses fighter-like afterburning turbofans so it will achieve fighter-like TSFC (or ISP). That's really all there is to it.
http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node98.html

>>33305627
powerful butthurt

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>>33307500
>MFW

>>33307466

Why do these people not know how to make a video of another video without using a camera or a phone?

Also, the total lack of effort to try and save that lady is sad. Just run over to the kill switch or try pulling her out for more than a second.

>>33302588
>Fuel tanks

They are obviously huge bombs you dummy

>>33306951
>it IS possible to make up for this with numbers to a degree, especially with a population that will accept inordinate losses.

If we are talking human wave tactics, sure; however, in a technological fight we must look at numbers of advanced craft they can field. see:>>33304863
>>33304874
>>33304963

Also realize they will build fewer J-20's then F-35's that are currently combat ready, and more than half of their air fleet is 3rd gen. Hence, in the air and at sea, they are the ones who are outnumbered, out gunned, and a generation behind at least.

>>33305154
The smaller the difference in top speeds, the smaller the interception radius. Hence the J-20 would make a terrible interceptor.

J-20 vs Rafale?

Who wins?

>>33304686
Falon shong? THose are th yoga dudes right? SHit man I remember seeing some protests about in in HK shame its not broadcast at all

>>33302969
You, I like you.

>>33303264
It's estimated that 400,000 workers died building the Great Wall.

And they just chucked the corpses into the construction as filler and kept on truckin'.

>>33303593
I once argued with someone in that particularly famous escalator incident about the fact that the walk plates were clearly stupidly substandard because they could bend and shift even if not locked down. Not to mention no emergency stops.

>>33309486
>It's estimated that 400,000 workers died building the Great Wall.

That's the point of it. Hard labor for defeated soldiers and citizens of an enemy nation + dissidents. Pretty commonplace thousands of years ago.

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>>33304663
She made a great base for a character in LoK.

>>33304612
but tzun zu?

>>33304696
why do we measure in air craft carriers?

>>33304867
>>33304975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiabeNR_q0U

>China is basically Planet Spaceball but even less competent

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>>33304530
Good lord.

>>33306951
>it IS possible to make up for this with numbers to a degree
Except they can't afford that, either.

>>33307466
>Thin, flimsy plates
>No emergency stop

>>33307935
Look closer: there is no kill switch. And on any properly made escalator those plates wouldn't have moved even without being locked in.

>>33309237
>J-20 takes off, goes up to engage Rafale, can't locate it, eventually runs low on fuel and lands again, pilot executed for incompetence
>turns out the Rafale never even took off because the pilot was beheaded by a muslim the night before while grocery shopping, and then the pilot's corpse was jailed for intolerance

>>33310006
It's the most natural measure to use. E.g. I weight 0.00000101237 nimitzes

>screeching autistic faggot posting 4chan screencaps again
lmao

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>>33307500
wew

>>33308847
>>33310334

>in the air and at sea, they are the ones who are outnumbered, out gunned, and a generation behind at least.

You're right of course. I was merely talking in terms of the doctrine's validity. Even if outgunned and behind in tech, if they made the investment to build large enough numbers of these craft they could still pose a credible enough threat to provide the desired deterrent effect. No doubt better to spend that money on improving their technology though. Assuming that's even possible considering, you know, China.

It's interesting how the US goals for their next generation of fighter aircraft actually parallels the J-20 design philosophy in regards to size and range. (Although obviously the execution will be better, lol.)

>>33305566
The Chinese aren't a superpower. In fact, with the us on their doorstep, they're not even the biggest regional power.

>>33307466
I know its presence is probably not very common-knowledge but it still irks me that nobody hit the emergency-stop button on the panel behind the trashcan.

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>>33305128
kek
The hole that left was pretty fucking impressive. I remember reading some chink government weather guy responding to complaints that the rain was burning people's skin and turning into foam in the streets 'oh no, that's normal, nothing to worry about'

>>33309817
München nigga

>>33302588
it was built by chinks. the cracks were already present
next time youll be telling me they painted their ships with lead paint

>>33310394
no, it gets worse, they had a kill switch but maintenance put a cardboard box over it for some reason, yet still left it in operation and left. chinks are retarded

>>33303211
holy fuck even i know you're supposed to lower the load and i'm not even a forklift driver

>>33304301
No you cock gobbling retard, the Russians updated their old ass RD-33 engines with modern technology and build techniques so they don't smoke anymore. The RD-33MK / RD-93 engines have new turbine blade designs, that are internally cooled, allowing for much higher burn temperatures while not increasing engine wear. It got rid of the smoke issues while also increasing fuel efficiency by roughly 5 to 7%.
This is of course already in every other western design.
The Chinese have also incorporated this tech into their next gen engines for the J-20A / J-10C fighters using the WS-10 and WS-13 engines.

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>>33304249
Qian Xusen would be proud.
>We Arkbird nao

I do not get the OP's post.

I've seen pics of F-22 with external fuel tanks and yet nobody's saying muh stealth or muh fuel efficiency. If I recall China's a big country too.

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>>33307083

>>33302794
that seems to be the current consensus, it has strong frontal stealth properties, however not so much on its flanks.

>>33302901
They're not at war right now, so its still an evolutionary leap ahead.

Plus, I don't think the Chinks want to build for a qualitative advantage, but rather a quantitative advantage.

>>33312008
shut up and shitpost along

>>33305566
And what the fuck do you think that post made you sound like, Wong?

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>>33304863
>>33304874
>>33304963
>tfw someone posts screengrabs of shit you wrote and then forgot to save in a .txt file for later pasta use

Cheers, m8

>>33309237
the J-20 has a speed and stealth advantage, which could be offset by the competent radar features of the Rafale.
Considering the logistics a Rafale cost around 2/3 of a J-20 and is more multirole.
In a dog fight let's consider that 3 Rafales are called to take down attacking J-20 that are coming to strike an island, which is more logical as the superior fuel load and stealth of the J-20 would cause fights that don't favor it more rare.
At this point in a 2v3 in favor of the Rafale it all depends on the J-20 stealth ability versus the Rafale's detection equipped with a RBE2 AA radar.
If the Rafale detect the number of Aircraft early it could probably take them down if equipped properly thanks to simply being a cheaper aircraft.
This apply in a way to the F-35 too but it's less of an issue since US knows what it's doing with stealth aircraft while China doesn't.

>>33313353
Analysts say the J-20 is potentially stealthy from the front, but very unstealthy from other angles.

>>33313367
A terrible flaw.
It could render them very unuseful since it complicate flanking manoeuvres which is the whole point of a stealth fighter.
I wonder what solution they'll have for this, other than simply relying on the J-31

>>33313388
It's not meant to be a stealth fighter, I think. It's meant to be a carrier attacker. It's suppose to get in range undetected, fire away, then turn around and get out of there. I think it's an attack plane like the F-111, but stealthier.

>>33313456
This is the dumbest concept possible when your opponent has more, far superior aircraft and detection systems.

>>33313456
>It's supposed to get in range undetected, fire away, then turn around and get out of there.
Well that's a whole other scenario that highly depends on the carrier itself and other naval craft available.
It would be a very good design idea if things just as AA armament wasn't a thing and radar on naval craft either.
Not accounting for the fact there are plenty of stationary system on thoses island able to defend the aircraft carrier by detectiong the aircraft from the side before it reach it's destination and intercept them.
In short it's like saying when you're stealthy enough to be a ninja you should just rush your opponent with a bayonnet.
probably true in a 1v1 situation, ridiculous in an actual war zone were you've got more than one pair of eyes scouting the area, especially if ou stealth is literally avaiable only in the front.

>>33310791
>beheaded pilot corpse is actually jailed for islamophobia for bleeding all over the muslim.

>>33313456
Also if you want to take out a carrier with a shitty underfunded underengineered Aircraft just remove all the BS around it and make it a manned missile.
The added speed might allow you to actually get out of the striking range of the US planes if you abort the Kamikaze Mission and would probably cause more significant damage to the aircraft carriers.
Alternatively if you think all of this is silly, admit that the sheer number of Aircraft carrier the US has would simply overwhelm you and work on SAM systems and AA radars to intercept aircrafts.

>>33304320
SM-3 cant intercept endoatmospheric targets. KKVs can only do space targets.

WU-14 stays within the stratosphere and flies a very flat trajectory, which means it performs like a cruise missile. Long range radars arent going to pick it up since it flies too low, unlike ballistic missiles that can be picked up from thousands of miles because they fly in space.

>>33305702
>Britain
>eurofag
Get the fuck off my island REE

>>33313783
Which means it is quasi ballistic. SM-3 can take out other quasi ballistic targets like Iskander-M. It will take out Wu-14 easy peasy.

>>33304257
How? Do they now use Bunker C instead of coal?

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>>33303643
>>33303665
You thought they were fuel tanks...
>Acting

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>>33303211
>Always see that pic showing worldwide IQ averages
>China on the high 100s
>See vids like this
>Most news clippings about china is some toddler getting stuck in something


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>33314097
Why is she so beautiful, anon?

>>33304052
>No it disturbs me because I can't believe people would be so dumb.

That's proof YOU are being dumb. People are generally pieces of retarded shit who die often and painfully.

>>33314168
>chinese are generally pieces of retarded shit who die often and painfully.

>>33302801
kek

>>33314109
Those scores also don't take into account the fact that chinks and poos cheat like motherfuckers both at home and in the West.

>>33304575
You are posting on a Chinese computer and probably using a Chinese phone.

You won't boycott the Yellow Jew. :)

Drop tanks are cheap unless you are the US, where they get a bit anal about punching them off without good cause.

Use the tanks to get airborne and you've saved a shitload of fuel. Most aircraft ops will be in PEACEtime so long loiter is very nice to have without depending on tankers.

If shit hits fan, jettison and do business. It's only some aluminum, plumbing and wiring.

>>33315174
>It's only some aluminum, plumbing and wiring.
Plus the significantly RCS compromising external pylons. The F-22 only hangs bags when ferrying. Never on an actual intercept or patrol.

>>33314053

Lmao dumbass American living in some fantasy world thinking they cana ct without consequences. Too bad in reality China will nuke their fat bovine asses off the face of the earth with them.

>>33315138
*Assembled in China, everything in it made elsewhere

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>>33315220
>Too bad in reality China will nuke their fat bovine asses off the face of the earth with them.
Yeah, we're really scared of a France-tier nuclear power. /s

>>33315242

From that screenshot and the threat we can learn that Americans are nothing more than violent subhumans and a threat to human advancement that need to be wiped out.

>>33315266
>The Internet, modern operating systems, and advanced semi-conductors are all American products and inventions
I'd like to see you try without us.

>>33303593
Swooce

>>33315316

Internet is British dumbass.

>>33315528
No, it isn't. WWW just consolidated a number of pre-existing American technologies, mostly created by DARPA, in a new way to present GUI pages.

>>33314097

FUCKING WANT

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>>33304783
>>33304815
>>33304745
>>33304735
>>33304720
>>33304710
>>33304700
>>33304696
>>33304686
>>33304672
>>33304663
>>33304622
>>33304612
>>33304601
>>33304586
>>33304575
Here's another big one to add to your collections.

>>33304009
underrated

>>33304783
Is there an imgur collection of these? I'd like to read more. While it seems rather MURIKKA FUCK YEAH biased (and I say this as an American) I also dont doubt it because of from what i've experienced personally

>>33310368
The lack of emergency stop is what pissed me off the most.

Fuck those dickheads. Nothing makes me more proud to be American than the right to sue those fuckers into oblivion.

>>33310810
Underbrated tbqh

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>>33316471
It's easy to get snowed by bias. Just remember as you read this stuff that, while most of it has factual basis in history/truth, it's also slanted in the retelling and removed from context. You could easily write a similar series about American, British, French or German history. You don't even have to try to write one about Russian history. If you pic related, I suggest instead that you run down the wiki pages on each incident mentioned, get some background on where to start and then start digging into specific terms on respected history sites.

China certainly ain't perfect, and I'm definitely no fan of much of their current culture and pretty much all of their political system, we can't really get around the fact that at least regionally (in a very important world region economically for both merchant shipping and US trade) they are a serious power. Best to know your potential enemy than rely on the jingoist fairy dust and unicorn farts you get with biased flag/dick waving.

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>>33303680

>>33302714
not for long

>laughing_DF-21D.jpg

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>>33306983
>That thing couldn't penetrate Ugandan air space.

>>33302969
>despite being multiple generations behind in tech
?

Oh? I didn't know they still had biplanes in active service. This isn't Civ 5 you gigantic faggot, that's not how things work.

>>33314053
>Americans believe this,

>>33304541
he's fine

>>33316686
>Take dat loundeye eat magic missre!

Yeah, no. You can't target for it, and you don't have enough to spam a region of the ocean.

>>33302919
But the Lee wasn't a piece of shit. It ran circles around Rommel's Panzers, literally and figuratively.

>>33316735
>Oh? I didn't know they still had biplanes in active service. This isn't Civ 5 you gigantic faggot, that's not how things work.

>Doesn't understand that the Generational differences are there because each generation is a major, curbstomping advance over the previous

>Doesn't know that the largest number of fighters in service are J-7s, a Late 2nd/Early 3rd Gen Mig-21 clone

>>33316735
This >>33317007. For instance, data initially suggested by USNI publicly and later confirmed by domestic Chinese studies suggests that the latest commissioned Chinese SSBN design, the Type 094 is slightly louder than a '70s vintage Delta III Soviet design (which was, in itself, louder than American contemporary designs). This in a ship class (SLBM launch vehicle) which is specifically designed first and foremost to be as quiet as possible, no matter which navy is running it.

Add to this the fact that the ECS and SCS areas are rife with shallow, easily surveilled choke points for already long deployed US SOSUS-type systems and you get an effectively far from effective nuclear triad leg for China.

We're seeing similar issues in Chinese military aviation, specifically in engine material science and VLO technologies. They're getting there, slowly but surely, but they certainly aren't there yet. If we just sit on our asses with reasoning like, "SAND PEOPLE NO HAVE AIR FORCE WE NO NEED F-35", etc. and ditto Navy, then China will, in geopolitical terms, approach local force parity in their regional interests.

>>33302588
>Why would a plane as large as the J-20 need those massive external fuel tanks?

are you retarded?

>>33315960
max wew

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>>33311481
>Rain on 25 August 2015 in the Binhai New Area brought more complaints of skin burns from volunteers and journalists. A bright white foam also appeared on the streets. Deng Xiaowen, director of Tianjin's environmental monitoring centre, stated that the foam was "a normal phenomenon when rain falls, and similar things have occurred before".

>>33315316

Well necessity is the mother of all invention, which is why China is leading in bioresearch, quantum computing, green energy, drone tech and construction.

Everything that doesn't exist in America

>>33307935
Look closely, it's actually the attempt to save her that killed her. She might had gotten out alive had the assistant actually did nothing.

>>33317394
>Everything that doesn't exist in America
You're a special kind of retarded.

>>33317443

Well every industry which gets its research hamstringed then

>>33304373
It's not the elevator's fault the building decided to sink.

>>33317472
Even with funding trouble we have better-educated people making far faster progress.

>>33304622
>boxers have no government support
>boxers have no guns
>boxers killed their own people
nigga wut, the international Brigade literally went to war with the Chinese government and slapped the shit out of them. Even the "elite" government troops of the Qing were massacred at the expense of 10 Germans.
As for the "killing their own people" it was mostly Christian converts who were seen as "traitorous" to China.
The boxers were some nasty little shits, granted unorganized, but not completely inept.

>>33318046
>we have better-educated people
>better-educated people
not if this board is any indication, lol.

>>33309817
wait seriously? I'm obsessed with the Boxer Rebellion, and the last days of China almost being worth something. I might have to watch it now.

>>33304783
you know that's why we can't get guns from China anymore? Corrupt Chinese-"American" officials allowing their cousins to import and sell rocketlaunchers and grenades to gangs in Ookland and the Bay area.

Now we can only import low quality, chink shit shotguns.

>>33318077
The 100 Years' war of the first series is actually loosely based on Japanese Imperialism in the early 20th century, and the Earth Kingdom is basically a pure pre-communist China expy. Including stupidly keeping a secret police organization after it had acted to hide a century-long war from the King and then helped their enemy conquer the core city.

>>33306983
>That thing couldn't penetrate Ugandan air space
C-130s w/Jewish tricks confirmed better stealth aircraft than J-20.

>>33318219
blame that on the ATF, faggot. Nothing wrong with some gang on gang violence with heavy firepower.

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>>33310791

>>33303433
That would seem to require crossing the threat zone while still wearing your tanks.

Which means you won't survive to cross the threat zone.

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>>33310791
underrated toast

>>33302588

that's some effective camo

>>33304285
I like how the other kid looks like he knows what's coming, and is disappointed in advance or something.

Americans like to pretend that their country isn't being taken over by foreigners, that 50% of the country already has zero connection to any history or culture of the USA

Look at how half the fucking country sees zero problems with mudshits flooding in, thats not all virtue signalling whites, thats also the huge non-white population who want to destroy the white plurality

China will still be chinese in 50 years
The US or the west however won't exist

China's problems are cultural & religious, that can be eradicated in 1 generation.

'Pivot to the Pacific' is over, senior U.S. diplomat says

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/unpredictable-funding-biggest-threat-to-army

>WASHINGTON — The Obama administration’s Pacific rebalance effort — also known as the Pivot to the Pacific — effort is officially dead, according to a top State Department official.

>Asked by reporters about the future of the rebalance, Acting Assistant Secretary of State Susan Thornton said Monday that the new administration has its own plan for the region, even if that plan has yet to take shape.

>“Pivot, rebalance, etcetera — that was a word that was used to describe the Asia policy in the last administration. I think you can probably expect that this administration will have its own formulation. We haven’t really seen in detail, kind of, what that formulation will be or if there even will be a formulation,” she said
>the Pivot to the Pacific — effort is officially dead,


America is finished.

Asia will belong to China now.

>>33321012
>Retarded treasonous open broadcasting of American military agendas is now over

Thats all you can read out of that

>>33320969
>post by some faggot from some irrelevant shithole country

>>33321038
60 years ago America was a 90% white country
Now its below 50%
Americans see no issue with that.

>>33321012

America BTFO.

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>>33321052
>this bizarre and demented obsession with America

>China thread
>in /k/

why bother?

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>>33321353
whoops wrong image

>>33320969
>that 50% of the country already has zero connection to any history or culture of the USA

>Implying that the US has ever been anything but a bunch of "fuck this place, I'm leaving" immigrants who brought their own shit here

>St Patricks Day is completely different here than in Ireland, for instance

>>33321052
>Actual number is 72.4%, but hey, that's not what they tell me on Stormfront!

>>33320969
>eradicated in 1 generation
They tried in the 70s with only a body count to show for it.

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>>33320969
I can't even tell if this incredible level of stupidity is stormfront, chinkbaiting or eastern european slavophile anymore.

Have I been here too long or not long enough? It already feels like forever...

>>33304285

>The elevators are fine.
There is some truth to this.

http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-china-elevator-trapped-starve-death-20160305-story.html

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>>33321685
see picture
No the US was never a "nation of immigrants" fucking idiot.

>>33321883
This is the reality of the Great Replacement of whites
You think we can just replace the greatest race on earth with human sacrificing injuns, and nothing will change?

>>33321981
>No the US was never a "nation of immigrants"
Anon, how do you think all the white people got here in the first place?

>>33304575
This pisses me off. I wrote a short story a few months ago about a king who dislikes spiders and has them all killed off, only to die from malaria, but once again the Chinese fuck me over with their willingness to fucking kill themselves off by the millions for retarded reasons.

>>33322017
You are engaging in historical revisionism and logical fallacies
We came as settlers & conquerors, bringing more of our racial brothers over to fill an empty land is a vastly different thing to bringing in racially/culturally/religiously alien foreigners.

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>>33322017
They came from Canada.

>>33322052
This has to be the longest way of saying "They're not white".

>>33322052
>racially/culturally/religiously alien foreigners
You mean like the Irish? Or Poles? Or Italians? Or any of the multiple waves of Germans fleeing the conflict of the month?

>>33322092
Don't bother. There's no arguing with the willfully ignorant. He's chosen the lens through which all data from now on will be viewed, and you will not alleviate his retardation. Trying to engage in rational argument with stormfront is like trying to teach a donkey calculus: you can put all the information in front of them you can, but they'll only chew out the pages and stare at you with an aggressively stupid/stubborn look on their faces.

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>>33322115
>Trying to engage in rational argument
Who says I'm doing that? I'm here to shitpost.

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>>33322115
kek

>>33321883
anyone else find it hilarious that you can't tell slavs and neo-nazis apart online anymore? they both say the same stupid shit. I wonder what their grandfathers would say about that.

>>33320969
>US will fall due to cultural and religious problems
>chinas problems only are cultural & religious, and can be dealt with easily
what the fuck kind of crack are you smoking?

>>33322052
>irish poles and germans are not white
i think youre looking for >>>/int/