Why the GIGN chose revolvers

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>>33299963

And people say revolvers are trash now, it's more than enough, especially considering I won't have to pull the trigger on AK and Submachine gun wielding terrorists and even then it was enough

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>>33299991

Not an MR73 but I really want a Korth. Was looking into the Korth Mongoose.

Wonder how it stacks up to the Korth Combat Magnum.

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>>33299963
Dumping.

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>>33300010

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>>33300022

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>>33299963
>tfw R6 Siege wasn't completely bullshitting me on this one

what does /k/ think of the smith and wesson trr8? Its been my dream gun for a long time but my friends passed it off as some kind of meme

>>33299991
People who say that revolvers are trash are autists and mall ninjas. Hey goofbags: call me the next time a revolver jams.

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Im seriously considering getting this as my 1st ccw vs a PM40.

>>33299963
>stopping power is a meme!
But muh .357

>ruger service six on armslist for $630
is this anything close to a fair price?
would this be good for a first revolver?
would this be good for a first handgun?
I know new rugers have a reputation for being tanks but does that extend to older revolvers as well?

>>33300238
The worst .357 ammo is still hotter than the best 9mm.

>>33299963

That dudes' left ear is about to get fucking blasted, unless Korth revolvers are sealed chambered.

>>33300225

That gun looks really nice. That's a way better laser button placement than the one my S&W. 38 bodyguard came with.

>>33300225
What model is that one?

>>33300238

Well it is the number one man stopper of the handgun world. Take it for what it's worth.

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>>33300083

I have that exact same revolver in that game. The smith and wesson 586

>>33300334

That's a MR73 I believe. And you're overestimating the blast from the cylinder gap.

I've shot a .44mag after having shot semi autos without touching a revolver for years. I subconsciously put my thumb forward like you would with a semi and I got a small burn and cut. It wasn't bad in any way shape or form. Ignored it for the remainder of the range day.

I can only image that with a few more inches of distance it would have done nothing to m3.

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>>33300500
Neat

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>>33300474
M&P 340

>>33300209

They're no guns, or people who only own one plastic wonder nine.

No real gun owner who collects, owns, and uses multiple guns would ever trash a revolver

>>33300577

You just made a sale for Smith and Wesson

>>33300209
Ok just grab the cylinder or the hammer

Or have the cylinder be out of time.

>>33300169
I really like them. I like the idea of having 8 rounds of .357 in a gun that will be 99.999% reliable. Yes even revolvers can have failures.

>>33300608
You could say the same things about the slide. It's not hard to grip the slide of a semi-auto and not let the breech unlock.

With a revolver the operator could jsut pull the trigger again and the revolver will advance to the next round. A semi auto that has had the slide stopped will need to be cycled manually.

>>33300597
Cool, glad I could help.

https://instagram.com/p/BPteirLAWKh/

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Thanks for the tips OP. I mostly carry a revolver for the .357 magnum since it's the most powerful commonly available cartridge around, but all the other points are spot on. One of my other favorite things about them is how damn heavy they are; they make great clubs in a pinch, no polymer to crack or mag that could fall out.

Pic related, my Ruger.

>>33299963
No it's because the GIGN is fucking poor as shit

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>>33299963
The GIGN has some good a e s t h e t i c s, I'll give them that.

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Revolver Ocelot

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Hnnng revolver thread yessss.

>>33300744

You can never go wrong with a Ruger. If I had to choose a revolver that I had to bet would last me a lifetime. It'd be a Ruger

>>33300750

They had Glocks holstered on drop holsters when they went in revolvers first...

So... maybe you said what you said because you're fucking stupid ass shit lol

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>>33300750

Hey guy in pic related. A little late to the party this time.

>>33300209
>call me the next time a revolver jams.

I'll be busy calling the gunsmith because fixing a revolver jam requires complete disassembly and likely tools

>>33301137


Call me when your semi automatic's internal mechanism becomes damaged because what you described is not a jam but mechanism failure

>>33301163

This is a false equivalency. Revolvers don't "jam" in the traditional sense, but if it did it would most likely be a critical failure, the same kind of critical failure which would also put a semi auto out of the fight.

But MALFUNCTIONS are extremely rare on revolvers. On semi autos they're common. Especially under stressful situations and unfavorable positions

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>>33301163

At some point its semantics.

Revolvers are perfectly capable of "jamming", and when they do they generally get absolutely fucked, like rounds locking the cylinder. Can't rack tap bang that failure, unlike a double feed / FTE / FTF, where you have some kind of remedial action that doesn't involve throwing.

>>33301137
>>33301177
While capable of "jamming", everyone seems to neglect the following:
>>33301172
>But MALFUNCTIONS are extremely rare on revolvers. On semi autos they're common. Especially under stressful situations and unfavorable positions

>>33301198
>On semi autos they're common

Horseshit

Maybe after months in a desert but not out of an armory onto an aircraft assault, nice and clean / lubed

>>33301177

It's not really semantics. Think about it like this. A Malfunction can be cleared easily. Both on a revolver and semi.

But failures can happen to both.

>round won't go off pull trigger again, malfunction fixed on revolver

>round won't go off, tap rack bang malfunction fixed on semi

>part breaks, critical failure gun is out of the fight

>part breaks, semi is also out of the fight.

The only difference is the revolver is less likely to malfunction but both are equally prone to failures

>>33301206

>What is grappling for gun control
>What is limp wrist
>What is faulty ammo

>>33301209

And on a revovler it's as simple as pull the trigger again if a Malfunction happens.

>>33301206

Take a look at videos where people train with simuniton. They get put out of battery most of the times during the slightest struggle.

>>33301206
>Horseshit
Mate, have you ever gone shooting before? If you have, you've had a malfunction of some sort out of an automatic. Don't try to deny it.

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I do love revolvers, but they're an anachronism in modern military or tactical use.
>smaller round count forces the operator to stop and aim his shots
This is retarded and goes against all combat psychology not to mention it's not prudent/practical in most fights, fact that you can train intensely to control your shooting under extreme duress is one thing but using a revolver sill leaves you holding 6 rounds; not a good insurance policy in case you panic, something goes wrong, you miss, there are multiple enemy etc. Reloading is also not as easy or robust and operation as with a semi.

If you look at the kind of testing that the Glock 17, for example, has been put through by various nations it makes it pretty clear that when a semi can achieve that level of reliability and be that robust there's really no reason to use a revolver.

>due to the fact it's a .357 magnum...it's like a miniature flashbang going off, stunning the enemy...psychological effect on stopping a target
>more accurate for precision shots
Fuddlore. If you benched a revolver maybe it would be more accurate than a semi, but in real world conditions the difference has no impact. And it is significantly worse for followup shots by comparison, which is critical and its accuracy influenced by other factors so important that the mechanical accuracy of your handgun is quite literally negligible.

If you don't believe me that's fine but along with some other dudes, when I was still inna infantry, I had the good luck to have about a day's worth of training from a very experience comp shooter and army instructor that provided pistol training the SF. One of his main points was that you don't shoot once or even twice in close quarter fighting, you shoot into the enemy until it ceases to be a threat; usually when he's collapsed to the ground. If you look at most police shootings, including things like SWAT (with the exception of snipers) multiple shots are the norm. A revolver doesn't suit this role.

>>33301243

>bu bu... but my glock has shot 25k rounds without a malfunction, HONEST!!!

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.38 Super Police stoppa powa

>>33300643
>this guy
>that voice
doesnt that shit mostly apply to tilting lock pistols though.
fixed barrel blowback guns and rotating lock guns would only be affected because of the slide movement.

but what he says is true.

>>33301270

Have you ever heard of snipers preferring the bolt because it literally forces them to take their time?

Hell this is evident for me even in vidyea

>>33299963
to the people using this as an argument for carrying a revolver for self defense: you have neither the numbers advantage nor the degree of training advantage the GIGN does.
also i barely see any revolvers in recent pictures of the GIGN.

>>33299963
This is all a bunch of bullshit. Nowadays it is seldom used but only carried as a traditional weapon. It participates to the GIGN mystic image and that's about it.

>>33301312

>barely

As long as there is just one, there's hope lol

The advantages of a snubbie though are pretty good in contact range though there's no denying that.

And since most shootings happen rather close it's a good gun to trust your life to.

And most importantly, as most guys who trust their lives to revolvers most likely do, they shoot it better than semis and that's all one needs to know for their choice.

>>33301270
>One of his main points was that you don't shoot once or even twice in close quarter fighting, you shoot into the enemy until it ceases to be a threat; usually when he's collapsed to the ground. If you look at most police shootings, including things like SWAT (with the exception of snipers) multiple shots are the norm. A revolver doesn't suit this role.

war is different from hostage situations.
also the 357 revolver was adopted becuase frenchies were getting outgunned. and they were worried aboout perps starting to wear protection.

point man with a shield usually carried a revolver since it was an issue with pistol slides hitting the shield in weird positions

>>33300500
what game?

>>33300744
That looks really nice

>>33301328
Can you not read what it's quoting?

>>33301328
R6 siege

>>33301308
>Have you ever heard of snipers preferring the bolt because it literally forces them to take their time?

No. They prefer bolt actions because they're lighter and generally have better potential accuracy.

>Hell this is evident for me even in vidyea
Then stick to /v/, faggot. Your "knowledge" doesn't apply in the real world.

>>33301317

What difference was there back then when that happened to nowadays? Glocks and HK semis existed so....

The revovler was obviously picked for a reason but hey. You know better than the GIGN

>>33301345

And you stick to your trailer you illiterate faggot. I literally read it in a book about snipers by a guy who was a sniper instructor

>>33301319
Fuck, if you're trolling you're doing an alright job. You type and structure your posts like a 16 year old from redit and the shit you say is very retarded.

>>33299963
The MR73 is an absolute beauty to shoot.
The accuracy is phenomenal.
I believe GIGN also have a 10inch variant with a scope and a bipod, I'm not sure in what situation this would come in handy though

>>33301466

What did I say that was wrong? You emotional double digit I.Q. having negroid.

My English is pretty good for my fourth language.

>>33300169
I've been told thad the cylinders of 8 shot revolvers in 357mag are less durable in the long run. Especially if you use very hot ammo.
Not sure if this is a meme or not.

>>33301956

It's a meme. This would have definitely been true years ago. But the reason they can do it now with thinner walls is due to the improvements in metallurgy

>>33301762
In the "we're stylin' on ur terrorist ass u shit" situation.

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Love me some MR73

Has become my innawoods gun as my Smith's are all too nice.

>>33302011
damn son

change your shoes

>>33302011
>my Smith's are all too nice.
that's some fucked up priorities mate. A MR73 is worth more and is a better gun than literally one example from the whole SW lineup. SWs aren't even guns when compared to MR73s; you might as well compare a rock to it.

>>33302029
Lol was just walking to the dumpster to chuck some trash.

My innawoods shoes are actually boots.

>>33302056
Not when you buy the MR73 used for 500ish.

All my Smith's are prelock and -2's or older.

>>33300267
Seems a little high.

A brand new GP 100 can be had for close to that.

They are tanks, but they're cast, so they have to be.

>>33302063
still. I have a MR73 ironically that I shoot maybe 10rds out of a year. Otherwise I'm in a monogamous relationship with a Glock 19.

>>33300623
If you all know this then why are you pretending revolvers are more reliable? Beind more idiot proofed is not equivalent to better reliability. Honestly the revolver fanboys are abusive, telltale sign they dont have an argument. Most of the listed reasons OP cited are actually myths and assumptions about revolvers, they fell prey to disinformation.

>>33301270
This

If 6 shots makes you think about your shots more than 15 rounds does, then why don't we limit it even further and make the police and military use single shot rifles so then they REALLY have to make every shot count?

>>33300209
No true scotsman, followed by bulverism.

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>>33302085
I have confidence that they overbuilt the shit out of em so I got no worries. Unlike my S&W model 19, which I guess is what GGIN used before the MR73.

My edc is a glock17 though.

>>33301327
>also the 357 revolver was adopted becuase frenchies were getting outgunned. and they were worried aboout perps starting to wear protection.

Any soft body armor worth its salt will stop stuff more powerful than +p .357 Magnum and plates will stop AP rifle ammo. So this doesn't make any sense.

>>33302151
the only real consideration in them adopting a revolver was one handed manipulation in case of malfunction. which is moot by now too because usually the guny with the revolver has a shield which presents the user with hard edges against which a stopped slide can be worked. it's olden days fuddlore problems that only really ever existed in the heads of stupid fudds on the force. I'd take the MR73 for bear defense while hiking but that's about it.

>>33300786
Revolver Ocelot

>>33301974
Improvements in metallurgy dont stop them from using cheaper dhit metals.

>>33300750
Nigga, you do realize a MR73 costs way more than a glock, right?

>>33302151
Body armor in the 60s 70s werent the same as now. Were talking flakjackets basically. The bandits had milsurp shit made to stop shrapnel

>>33301243
Well, I've also shot about 4k rounds through just my 9mm and maybe only 200 rounds through all revolvers I've ever handled in my life.

>>33301137
>>33301177
Why the fuck do people act like a critical malfunction on a revolver is just as common as something like a fucking jam on a semiautomatic? I hear this same "b-but if a revolver jams you need to take it to a gunsmith cause it's fucked" all the time, completely ignoring the fact that such a massive fuck up is a very rare thing and that a semiautomatic can't get equally fucked if it has a critical malfunction.

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>>33299963

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>>33300500
586 club?

>>33302124
what kinda holster you got to EDC a G17?

>>33301355
the real-real reason is they got their initial training from an absolute fudd and gun-nut who was of the opinion that if you want to shoot well, you have to shoot a lot
so they chewed through semis in no time, switched to S&W revolvers for a while, found them still a bit unreliable, settled on the MR-73, which is overbuilt to hell and back
and when I say a lot of shooting, I mean these guys would each put 1000 rounds downrange in a week, or more.

>>33302379
if they were shooting like it was a full-time job I would expect to see round counts in the thousands per day

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>>33302307
Cheap iwb "custom" kydex from ebay. I bought it as a atop gap as I usually use a Crossbreed or the like. But I actually am really satisfied with the holster so I havent gotten around to ordering another.

I have been edcing the g17 for about 2-3 years now. Used to be a 1911 guy so I'm kind of accustomed to carrying a "bigger/bulkier" gun.

Here is some more revolver porn.

>>33301355
>>33302379
the mentality of the founder was basically: if you have to shoot a bad guy more than twice to take him down you should look for a different job

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My wheelie gun, model 66-2

>>33299963
>If I remember correctly, the first guy to breach had a .357 and took out 3 of them with his revolver.
That makes me rock hard thinking about it.

>ragheads with rusty AKs spraying from the hip while yelling "allah kebab hobla habla jalla jalla"
>operator comes in with .357 stronk and makes their ribcages explode with a precise shot

>>33300762
I would suck at least 3 dicks to own a SPAS 12, at least 4 for a 15.

>>33302590
IT GETS BETTER
GIGN trains for headshots becauss durkadurkas have bomb vests that they don't want going off when ahmed is using is last breath to go 'click'

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To this day, the only reason i will shamlessly admit to being the reason i want a revolver is pic related.

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>>33302900

>>33302590
You wouldn't happen to have a link to that?
Would love to read an account from those operaters

>>33302098
There is not a single non-retard on earth that would dispute revolvers being more reliable than a pistol

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>>33302943
Not a bad reason.

>>33299963
Also honestly in my opinion, revolvers are accurate as hell. 2nd time shooting my .44 magnum with my scared ass and I was able to blow a fist sized hole through the target's head with very little variation beyond that either at 7 yards. We had also rented a 9mm... Obviously much better recoil, much easier to handle. At 10 yards my shots were going all over the fucking place. I don't know what it is honestly. I feel like the .44 should have been way more inaccurate but it wasn't. Something about the gun not having any moving parts during firing maybe...
maybe just my fucking imagination

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>>33302956
Not >>33302590 but here's an interview of Thierry Prugnaud, the GIGN member OP mentioned.
It's in French but machine translation is understandable enough.
http://www.gign.org/groupe-intervention/?page_id=324

>>33299963
The GIGN is replacing revolvers with pistols.

>>33301291
They are Big Guys.

>>33300022
>tfw I want this exact model for CC
>tfw I've spent my entire life hating the French and French culture and if I buy it everyone I know will call me a hypocrite for liking a French gun

Life is pain when you do stupid shit.
Still, FUCK south Belgium.

>>33302271
Nobody said it was common, just that its almost always more severe in nature unless its a simple FTF

Modern semi-autos are extremely reliable. If the choice is between revolvers with a 1% (arbitrary) failure rate that permanently removes them from a fight or a semi auto with a 2-3% failure rate that can almost all be cleared or remedied in a few steps, I'd take the latter.

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>>33301291
>at this moment hanz knew he shot 5 not six

>>33303261
kek

>>33302151
Has anyone tried making AP explosive .357 magnum for this sort of thing?

A sharpened tungsten carbide tip inside a copper jacketed lead sabot with some mercury fulminate inside to give just a bit more oomph?
Or some other explosive?

For LEO use only of course (lol)

>>33303325
"LEO"

riiiiight

>>33303347
I'm wondering off it's been done before mainly.

And I've seen explosive .357 magnum bullets (in bulk for reloaders) before.
So the explosive part isn't illegal and I don't think the AP part is either (M2 ball among other things)

I don't have the facilities to get myself into trouble trying to sell amazing hostage rescue ammo anyways.

>>33301206
In comparison to revolver failures, they're much more common.

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Pic of the GIGN creator and first commander with a MR 73, during his vacations. You'll notice the Ray-Ban aviators and the official GIGN swim briefs.

>>33301762
Believe it or not, it's for actual sniping. It makes for a very compact yet accurate weapon. So the guy can go fast roping and run around to reach his position.

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>>33301762
I saw one of those in a regimental museum, it's a beauty.

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>>33303476

>>33299963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aHYHT6QEd0&list=PLBfRfTBYbar5pgo795PCtA83xt63wWZPu
watch from 2'53.

This is taken from the movie "L'assault" telling the story of the hostage crisis that happened on december 24-26 in 1994, when 4 algerian islamists kebabs took 220 hostages aboard the Air France flight 8969 Airbus A-300.
They planned to crash the airbus into the Eiffel tower, but had to land in Marseilles to refuel after the APU had burned a lot of fuel staying on station in algiers airport.

No hostage was killed or injured, 30+ GIGN operators were injured, none died. 4 kebabs were removed.

This is approximately what happened, Rogue Spear style for oldfags gamers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un4QpQ7ItfI

The injured gendarme who took out 2 tangos by himself and was badly injured is still alive and shooting his MR73 as a civillian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlVLobAmCHc
watch from 5'16

When the operation was over, the GIGN operators were invited, unmasked, by the president François Mitterrand (socialist and former Vichy functionary during WW2) and the operators faces were shown on TV.

Then these guys families got threatened by a large amount of durka terrorist sympathisers because making sure 200+ algerian civillians don't die for the lunacy of 4 camel ass faces sure is absolutely haram.
>ayyrabs everyone.

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>>33300209
>Hey goofbags: call me the next time a revolver jams.

I own an MR-73, and have jammed it.

What happens with one type of ammo I've shot, is that the case (rarely) doesn't seem to be properly fit for the chamber and recoils slightly out of the rear of the cylinder, striking the frame. Due to explosion/heat, the case is stuck that way and the revolver cannot cycle.
If you wait a moment, then the case will cool down and shrink, allowing you to push or wiggle it forward.

This obviously does not happen with quality ammo. My favorite revolver training ammo is Fiocchi 158gr .357Mag.

It aptly shows that people buying some expensive super duper self-defense ammo, but fail to train with it, might be faced with a similar jam. Hence it's very important to train at least a moderate amount with your SD/HD ammo to ensure proper operation in your firearm. A revolver jam like this completely disables your firearm for long enough for it to be effectively out of the fight.

DISCLAIMER: The ammo with which I had an issue was the GECO .357Mag training ammo. It happens about once per box. I have never had this happen with any other ammo and have never had any issue whatsoever with 9x19mm 124gr GECO which is my favorite pistol training load. I'm not sure if it's a bad batch or some other issue, but I won't be buying any other GECO made .357Mag.

>>33303497
At 11:12 in the first video, an AK bullet made the GIGN P226 explode and threw him backward.

>>33301231
And then the hangfire goes off outside of the chamber and ruins the gun, and your hand

>>33300267
That's way too much. You can buy a Security Six, which is the same gun but with adjustable sights rather than fixed sights, for somewhere in the $400 range.

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>>33303576
I think the Fiocchi 158gn Softpoints smell abit like fireworks or sulfur. The brass is top notch for reloading though.
And i've never had a failiure with Factory ammo in my 686, but i've had some hot reloads jump crimp.

>>33302110
SWAT team equipped with black powder muzzle loaders when

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>>33303941

Are you a europeon like myself, or an ameri/k/unt?

Because from what I've seen, the euro Fiocchi revolver ammo is quite different from what's sold by Fiocchi USA.

>>33303576
I heard something about the GECO .357 Mag being loaded very hot. Perhaps that has something to do with it?

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>>33303977
I'm a S/k/andinavian actually.

>>33303476
>>33303487
Sexy AF

>>33304016
Norvegian, if the keyboard is anything to judge you by. (it seems to be growing hair)

>>33304010
>I heard something about the GECO .357 Mag being loaded very hot. Perhaps that has something to do with it?

Potent. Would not call is very hot.
But then again, overall euro ammo tends to be loaded hotter than american ammo. Same can be seen with 9x19 loads etc.

>>33304016
>I'm a S/k/andinavian actually.

Alright, then we're probably shooting the same. Never struck me as being very special smellwise, but I tend to shoot on a packed range. So it's easy to miss that.

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>Tfw most revolvers are in the $1000 range here
But the Czech Alfa Proj ones are half that. Are they any good?

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Revolver thread, eh? Where can I find a good vertical shoulder rig for my new 50DS?
>Inb4 SEAM
>Inb4 weeb

>>33304076
That gun LOOKS nice...

Honestly I say go for it my man. Revolvers are hard to fuck up imo. Top notch revolvers over here in burgerland like the SW 629 and Ruger Redhawk are mad by well... SW and Ruger, mid tier manufacturers(at best)

>>33304103
I want to carry one of these in a Galco VHS

>>33299963
>and they said the following.
I take ''things that poor police forces say to feel better about themselves'' for 500.

>>33304122
Galco doesn't make shit for the Rhino. None of the "good/approved" manufacturers do, and I don't know about my local holster making scene.

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>>33304060
It's so old it's probably entering puberty, thus the hair. Also you are correct.
>>33304062
The Italian made Fiocchi ammo i shoot (And probably you aswell) comes in red boxes and is made in Italy, the Fiocchi ammo in the states is made in USA with american components, and comes in blue boxes.
Fiocchi Italy and Fiocchi USA has different product lines aswell.

>>33300083
no, they're absolutely bullshitting you.
the revolver does trash damage.

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>>33304202

But the red .357Mag box has a black square on top and stripes on the package like the one pictured here, right?

(obv .38spl here, but didn't find a suitable pic quickly)

>>33302187
Revolver Ocelot

>>33301312
And the average rounds in a defensive shooting is 2
Revolvers have more than double that

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>>33304317
Those are the old Italian boxes, its pre 2012 or something.
All new production italian fiocchi has the full red one.

>>33304162
>I take ''things that poor police forces say to feel better about themselves'' for 500.

the MR73 is 3 times the price of a Glock 17 my man.

>>33299963
I want one of those so badly.

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>>33304246
lol you obviously don't play Montagne.

>>33300500
Those graphics are pretty good.

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>>33304576
Excellent taste my friend

>>33304103
Fuck me dead, those are sexy. You might have to get a custom rig, though.

>>33304395
>Those are the old Italian boxes, its pre 2012 or something.

Oh, alright. I'm sitting on a ton of them. ;)

Same with my Geco 9x19mm. Cheaper in bulk and doesn't age when stored properly. Prices seem to rise faster than inflation, so I just invested in ammo.

>>33304744
>6 hours

lol babby

>>33304576
>Montagne and valk
you're the ultimate teamplayer

whoever you are, i love you

>>33299999
>>33300000

>>33304108
>Tfw the only Smith I'll ever shoot and have is a pre lock 66

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>>33300003
>mfw my dad has two .357 Korth Combats and i will get them someday

>>33303487
How far does .357 reach out accurately with a 10 inch barrel?

>>33301270
>inna infantry
> about a day's worth of training
> from a very experience comp shooter

>>33303173
The GIGN carry a fuckton of various weaponry , just look at the pictures from the last attacks they have like 3 differents spare guns...

>>33299963
Now what are their successes and drawbacks in comparison to a CT unit that uses automatics?

>>33305756
>drawbacks
Shortcomings*

>>33304162
>gign
>poor
They literally get anything they want.

>>33301345
It's only thread. Why is need to be upset?

>>33302110
>>33303975
SWAT should use ancient muskets with forks as support. That way they would slow down and really take time to aim since the weight would slow them down enough. And even if they miss the amount of smoke from old gunpowder+loudness would stun everyone in front of the firing line

>Meme special forces that have like three notable missions under their belt make weird fudd choices and arguments for their loadouts.

I'm shocked. Clearly SOCOM are a bunch of mall ninjas.

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>>33305511
>see the green text
>expect generic "holy fugg u sugg" shitpost
>genuine compliment

Why aren't more people in the world like us?

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>>33304162
>poor
That's why they chose the inexpensive MR-73 over the super rare Glock 17, sure. And when they use semi-auto handguns, it's some cheap stuff like the Fiveseven.

Same for the ammo they burn during training (they shoot thousands rounds per week, remember), .357 costs next to nothing compared to 9mm.

>>33306153
>i dont know what they did nor how they train so they're meme
Meme opinion

>>33300514
Your .44mag must of been a bitch load

https://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

>>33306720
Chicken really isn't as durable as human hand flesh. Neither are Hickok45's hotdogs.

>>33304162

They were carrying Glocks and sigs on drop leg holsters the whole time in case a New York reload was in order.

But they chose to go in with the revolvers first. Dimwit

>>33304162
>I take ''things that poor police forces say to feel better about themselves'' for 500.

new manurhins go for 2k€ you shit. you can literally get 3 USPs for that.

>>33305677

Hell you can reach out accurately with a scoped 6 inch up to 100. I'd imagine a 10 would be anywhere from 150 to 200 yards

The french used revolvers because they were concerned that the sight of a scary black pistol like a glock would cause undue emotional trauma to the refugees.

>>33306947

Believable now, not back then.

>>33306813

This pisses me off. Sure maybe with a .500 S&W or a .460 but I've, like a dumb ass, put my hand in front of .357 and even .44 cylinder gaps when shooting (due to being used to semis) and it's never given me anything worse than a small papercut looking wound.

I posted in QTDDTOT because you didn't name your thread revolver general.

What happens if the timing is fucked on revolvers ?
If you push the cylinder into the correct position after you cocked your hammer, would it be safe to fire ?
What causes these issues ?
Could you still safely use a revolver if you regularly slammed the cylinder shut ?
If you do slam the cylinder shut, what parts would get damaged, and would they be easy to replace ?

>>33303977
Is this a photoshop filter ? Because if it is, I need it.
And if it's not, I still need it. I have been looking for you for a while.

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>>33300750
>glockfag so poor he doesn't even understand that the glock is a budget pistol.

>>33304076
Alfa Project's claim to fame up until recently was making blank-only prop guns. I can't imagine that they are even on the level of a Taurus, to say nothing of a Colt, S&W, or Ruger.

>>33308808
>what happens when timing is fucked on revolvers?
If it's a S&W, Ruger, Manhurin, or Dan Wesson you send it to a gunsmith to completely rebuild. If it's not, you throw it away and buy a new revolver because they aren't cost effective to rebuild.
>if you pushed the cylinder into the correct position after you cocked your hammer, would it be safe to fire?
The second you let go of the cylinder it will fall out of alignment, so no.
>what causes these issues?
Normal wear and tear.
>could you still safely use a revolver if you regularly slammed the cylinder shut?
Generally yes, though it speeds wear and tear and leads to timing issues and broken parts.
>if you do slam the cylinder shut, what parts would get damaged, and would they be easy to replace?
Depends on the model of revolver but generally the cylinder arm and spindle and the timing pawls. Potentially the ejector rod and ejectors, if your revolver has such (most do).

>>33308808
>What happens if the timing is fucked on revolvers ?

You take it to the gunsmith and have it fixed.

>If you push the cylinder into the correct position after you cocked your hammer, would it be safe to fire ?

Yes, for one shot. You would have to manually index the cylinder again for the next shot.

>What causes these issues ?

The hand is worn out, or you need a larger cylinder stop.

>Could you still safely use a revolver if you regularly slammed the cylinder shut ?

Maybe, although why would you want to do that? It's the revolver equivalent of holding your semi-automatic pistol sideways.

>If you do slam the cylinder shut, what parts would get damaged, and would they be easy to replace ?

You would damage the hand, extractor star, cylinder stop, and crane, among other parts. You could replace them yourself if you are mechanically capable and have tools; otherwise, you would need to see a gunsmith.

>>33309087
Completely rebuild ?
I'm from a communist shithole so cost effectiveness is a meme, you do your paperwork and you stick with the gun.

Normal wear and tear ?
So every single revolver will at one point suffer from fucked up timing no matter what you do?
Does this apply to fixed cylinder revolvers too then ?

>>33309134
>I'm from a communist shithole
I don't know of any shithole, communist or otherwise, that consider fixing a gun changing which gun you have. It's an involved process but the frame and thus serial number stays the same. In extreme cases they have to have metal added via welding to re-cut some dimensions but it's the same gun.

>So every single revolver will at one point suffer from fucked up timing no matter what you do?
Yes. On quality revolvers that aren't abused it takes thousands if not tens of thousands of rounds, but yeah.
>does this apply to fixed cylinder revolvers too?
Yup. I've had to get my old model Super Blackhawk rebuilt because I shoot it a lot. Fewer parts to replace though.

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>>33300744
Nice GP100. I carry an SP101 myself.

>>33309134
Bro, guns are tools. Every tool needs maintenance to keep working; every tool reaches its limit and wears out eventually. It is not a phenomenon unique to revolvers.

Even something like an HK Mk.23, which is probably the most durable and reliable handgun ever designed, will eventually wear out and have to be written off if run hard.

>>33300866
That middle one a .44 Magnum Vaquero?

>>33309184
What was wrong with your Super Blackhawk, and what needed replacement?

Also, what's a good price for one in your part of the country? Someone recently offered me one in a trade that I haven't accepted yet.

>>33309184
Are there any revolvers that would not have to be rebuilt, and just have parts changed out without requiring handfitting ?

>>33309221
The cylinder spindle was worn badly enough the cylinder rattled on it. I had probably 40,000 .44spl/.44mag powderpuff loads through it and maybe 5,000 full-bore .44mag loads. Both the spindle and the cylinder needed to be replaced, it'd egged out the hole for the spindle. Ran me about $100 in parts off Numrich and $40 in labor through the local gunsmith.

I haven't seen an old-model SBH for sale in years, though you can get the new-model with the transfer bar safety for ~$600 used pretty regularly in excellent shape. I mean, they retail for ~$700 for the cheapest model new.

>>33309222
Most revolvers produced after ~1980 should be drop-in parts replacement as long as they're not like a performance center or equivalent model that was hand-fitted from the factory.

>>33301206
I'very seen clean, well machined kimbers jam after one or two magazines. That has simply to do with how casings are ejected from a semi-auto.

>>33309287
Any way in particular to determine whether or not this is the case ?
I'd like to get into revolvers but we don't have many gunsmiths around here, and most of them are shit.
I'd like to be able to do it myself by just ordering the parts and replacing them.
There's a very large used market here that I can definitely take advantage of as well, but I need to know what I'm getting into or what to expect if I was to handle them incorrectly.

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>>33300169
great pistol, shoots great very smooth, only qualed in 9mm,but next month ill go and do .357,just so i can carry

>>33309287
Missed an important part to that.

Most revolvers chambered in magnum loads (.327fed, .357, .44mag, etc) will exhibit frame stretching after fairly high round counts. It's fixable on steel framed guns, but requires cutting the top strap, bending the frame back in place, and rewelding the top strap. It's NOT fixable on aluminum, "alloy", scandium, etc. frames, the metal is either unweldable or becomes too brittle to do so without introducing safety issues. Some of the lighter weight non-magnum revolvers will exhibit frame stretching as well, although these are generally older guns with collector's value so even once it's not safe to fire it's still worth something.

Another big issue is top-strap cutting from the cylinder gap flame. Again, on steel-framed revolvers it's fixable (as long as it isn't cut all the way through) by filling in the cut via welding and filing it back to shape.

There are VERY FEW guns of any repute that simply aren't fixable outside of a catastrophic KB. Some may not be economically feasible (the repairs cost more than a new one), but generally only your potmetal low-budget SNS's are outright not repairable.

>>33309361
So at some point, no matter what, the frame will be ruined as well and require cutting and welding, no exceptions ?

>>33309346
>Any way in particular to determine whether or not this is the case ?
If it's a S&W, Ruger, Dan Wesson, Korth, etc. revolver made after 1980 it will 100% be drop-in as long as it doesn't say "custom shop" or "performance center" or other factory-custom on the side. Even then most of them will take unmodified parts but will function like a production line gun.
>I'd like to be able to do it myself by just ordering parts
Be very careful on which revolvers you buy then, S&W's for example are all but impossible to work on without at least a brand-specific bench block and some jobs require jigs or other fixtures just to hold everything in alignment. Revolvers aren't as simple as most people think, ESPECIALLY double action revolvers.

>>33309409
I was afraid of this.
I don't suppose there's an AR-15 equivalent of the revolvers that would be easy to work on ?

>>33309400
Not true. Your larger .38spl revolvers will live longer than you with only routine maintenance as long as you take care of it and don't feed it a steady diet of +P+. Rugers generally last 70,000+ rounds before they have measurable frame stretching even in the truly hot magnums (.44mag, .454cas, .480 Ruger), and in theory half a million before it's stretched enough to be unsafe (and by which point you've shot out 3 barrels and have had to have the top strap re-welded twice due to flame cutting).

The problem children are your scandium and alloy framed S&W carry guns, anything made by Charter Arms and Taurus, and your various H&R and Iver Johnson SNS's.

>>33309459
Not really. One of your best bets for DIY repairs would be a single-action of modern design, like a Vaquero or Single Six.

>>33309509
Does the top strap need to be cut to replace the barrel ?
And I don't suppose replacing the frame is an easy thing to do ?

>>33309509
Are you familiar with the Ruger Security/Service/Speed Six? How's the durability on those, and are they conducive to parts replacement by the end-user?

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>>33299963
READING THIS WHERE? I must have the source! Fucking wheel gun boner!

>>33309603
>does the top strap need to be cut to replace the barrel?
Generally no. I don't know of any models that require that but I'm sure somebody somewhere built one.
>and I don't suppose replacing the frame is an easy thing to do?
Depends on the model, but it's always expensive and potentially an extreme hassle depending on what your country considers the actual firearm (in the US the frame is considered the firearm, so replacing one would be the same as buying a new gun).

>>33309622
Not super familiar, I'm a single action guy but I have done some with them. They're very durable like all Ruger revolvers. The Security Six has been around long enough some older examples might not take drop-in parts but they're actually some of the cruder DA revolvers made so hand-fitting requires a $5 file and some patience. Newer ones should be drop-in compatible, as should all Speed and Service Six's.

>>33303229
>4u.jpg

>>33309687
Alright I'll just stick with regular pistols that I can actually take care of then. I had the chance to handle a nice revolver today and it made me wonder if there was such a thing. I do appreciate you answering all my questions.

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>>33309687
The Security Six was discontinued nearly 30 years ago, so finding parts may be a challenge in addition to any fitting required. The GP100 was the successor and the design is pretty straightforward.

>>33309750
No prob.

IMO they're worth the hassle. They're fun and amazingly accurate guns, my SBH was primarily a bullseye gun although I did use it a bit for Cou's whitetail and javelina.

>tfw want a bunch of different revolvers
>tfw I can't justify the cost
Still want the 8" barreled Single Seven in .327fed as a hunting/plinking gun but the ammo's expensive if I'm not feeding it .32acp or .32S&W and it's kinda rare in blued. Also want a repro Schofield but would want it in its original caliber(s) and not .38spl or .44-40, which seem to be the only ones i can find for under a grand. Also want the 6" barreled version.

>>33302011
Did you get yours through Classic? It looks almost exactly the same as mine (wear and all).

>>33309799
Huh. Hadn't realized it'd been discontinued, private security around me almost exclusively uses it whether they're Brink's or mallcops or Wackenhut.

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>>33304246
>77 dmg
>rof same as a pistol
>can two shot a three armor
>trash

>>33309799
how can something that looks so simple be so hard to work on ?
>>33309807
When I see this picture of the Security Six taken apart, it makes me seriously reconsider. Perhaps I should deal with the hassle and just do the paperwork for new frame and barrel if it ever comes to that.
I mean the rest of the parts are drop-in right ?

>>33309808
Does the hammer on your Manurhin "push-off" when in single action?

>>33301308
Marksmen hold the powerful luxary of usually having the time as to where they could use bolt or semi and it wouldn't make a difference. A situation where an enemy could be only a few feet away? Well, that lux just sorta vanished, now didn't it?

>>33309883
>When I see this picture of the Security Six
Sorry, I should have mentioned that's a pic of the GP100 disassembled in >>33309799

>>33309903
It don't matter I still find it beautiful.
Would there be any trouble working on revolvers in .22LR ? Or would they be mechanically the same ?

>>33301172
stoppage =/= malfunction

but yeah you are right

>>33309942
That's depends on revolver in question and the work being done on it.

>>33309888
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that?

>>33310054
>Cock gun
>don't touch trigger
>push on back of hammer
If the hammer falls, it's "pushing off". It's not supposed to do that and is indicative of a worn or broken hammer or sear.

>>33310030
I'm under the impression that there isn't much .22 revolvers, so I might need to step up to a .357 anyway ( although I'd probably only shoot .38 out of it anyway ). Is there anything in particular that you would consider the best thing for parts or ease of working on and maintenance ?

>>33300209
I've seen high primers jam revolvers a lot.

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>>33300750

>>33300225

Why not an LCR?

>>33301317
They carry a revolver and a p9 think

>>33310074
I had mine gone over by a gunsmith once I received it so I've never had any issues with it. I can't exactly recall but I know something was bound up in there that he had to fix.

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>>33302590
That guy also took about two grenades and loss the use of one of his arms and took an AK round to his helmets face shield

>>33303084
Was the sight radius longer on the 44? How did the 44 feel in your hand compared to the 9mm? I suck with handguns with less than 5" of sight radius, and there a lot of semi autos that don't feel right/natural in my hands.

>>33310163
Just to clarify, your manurhin doesn't push off? I had one gunsmith look at it and he said the same thing as >>33310074
However another gunsmith said that it's not that big of an issue due to the fact the force of the hammer drop is mitigated by the roller bears and shouldn't damage the transfer bar.

>get curious about LeMat
>900 dollar at Cabela's and 1100 MSRP

I know it's a badass gun but oh god that's literally triple the cost of most other black powder revolvers in a fairly basic steel frame

>>33310308
I just tried it right now with mine and couldn't get it to do that.

>>33311328
Thanks for checking. Hopefully I don't have to order any parts from France.

>>33311393
No problem man. Like I said, there was something wrong with mine that the gunsmith had to fix but I can't remember what. Since then I've put a couple hundred rounds through it no problem, it's a really smooth shooter.

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Don't forget the early GSG-9 also used revolver during Operation Fire Magic in Somalia. GSG-9 leader Ulrich Wegener among the first breaching into fire and engaging with hijackers with his personal S&W M19. According to SAS observer, most of the GSG-9 personel during that operation uses either .38 S&W M36 or S&W M10 while the MP5 were used to covering from the outside the Lufthansa.

(PIC:-Chancellor Helmut Schmidt congratulates the GSG 9 chief of operation Ulrich Wegener after their arrival in Berlin. - Note the S&W M19)

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>>33312003

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>>33312024

"Ulrich Wegener used and fired this gun when entering the aeroplane of Lufthansa"Landshut" in Mogadishu, October 18th, 1977 to free the hostages captured by terrorists."

DRAMATIZATION OF OPERATION FIRE MAGIC FROM MOGADISHU (2008) TV MOVIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BalkiUsCpYg

>>33300577
Is the 9mm LCR a good revolver for a guy new to shooting?

>>33309204

Yup. 3 3/4 inch barrel.

>>33309290
Well also Kimbers are pretty tight. Honestly I've got pretty mixed feelings on them.
It is true that revolvers don't eject and so are way less prone to malfunctions. That said modern pistols tend to be reliable too.

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how bad ass would a modern lemat be?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJhC3H0srQY

9 shots of 357 and a 20 guage for drone defense or maybe those taser shot shells

>>33309808
I believe the person I bought it off of did.

The thing is beat to shit, with a good bore and I love her.

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>>33302228
the tr8 uses titanium and so do any of the other scandium-aluminum alloy framed 8 shooters from sw

titanium is strong but i read on a forum that they cannot be brush with a wire brush or the scratched because it will do something weird to the metal and it will disintegrate or something

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anyone else wish they had a 7 shot .327 lcrx?

>>33315544
>how bad ass would a modern lemat be?
Well, we will at least almost definitely see a reproduction being made now that the LeMat is a memegun because of Westworld. So there's that.

>>33301291

>bunching up in a circle

All that's missing is the Comanche horde they must be fighting.

Or one good Molotov or IED from a shotgun launcher.

>>33299963
According to revolverfag, they don't ever jam.
If I am wrong, then talk to experts about revolver.

>>33302151
Till around 2009 most vest sold ( at lest in the US) were Type IIA. The Type II vest used to be to thick for effective concealment so a lot of the buying guides pushed people over to Type IIA. 2009 is the year that police started to figure out that it was no longer the case.

Type IIA is not rated to stop .357.

>>33315918
Is English not your first language?

>>33310097

They copied this in R6 Siege almost exactly for Rook's operator video. Cool.

>>33304103

Isn't it pretty fucky to have the barrel so far below the sights?

>>33300238
Like >>33300485 it's the handgun round with the best track record. Of course, that's like being the winner of the Special Olympics.

>>33317580
Some of the magnum cartridges make for an OK ranch carbine as well. I wouldn't choose to go into a fight with a rifle in .357, but I can think of several options that would be worse so long as it was up close.

>>33299963
Does anyone know if one can use S&W K-frame grips on an MR73?

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>>33303497
>>33312003
>>33312024
>>33312045
>tfw you will never remove kebabs with .357 stronk
I was born in the wrong generation.

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>>33318047