How would a US war with Iran turn out?

It would be a fucking walk over more than Iraq was in the gulf war
The marines would take 50% of the total casualties despite facing no serious threats

The usual stuff

>>33273016
Iran's better organized than that.
I'd expect 60% marine caualties with Iran succumbing.

>>33273038
60% of all marines dead?


or


60% of total us casualties being marines

>>33272990
Defeating the Iranian armed forces would be possible in a couple of month. US would have air dominance very quickly, Iranians will try to use the terrain to their advantage.

Holding onto the country would be a pain in the ass, expect many casualties from ambushes and IEDs.

>>33273097
there are a lot more moderate itanians left in Iran than there were Iraqis left in Iraq

might be suprised and find out Iran would be tougher to take but easier to hold

>>33273145
>might be suprised and find out Iran would be tougher to take but easier to hold

Well shit, if moderate people are easy to hold, we should just take over England.

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>>33272990
We may see megacity warfare for the first time. Tehran is pretty metropolitan.

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>>33273181
Imagine clearing whatever the fuck this thing is

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>>33273016
U sure brah? This looks pretty intimidating desu.

>>33273145
True, but on the other hand people generally don't like it when their country is invaded.

Defeating their regular forces and militias will result in a lot of dead Iranians, so you'll end up with a lot of people eager to avenge their family.

>>33273181

Imagine trying to find snipers...

>>33272990
Itd be a fucking nightmare.

People forget that unlike their shitty neighbors in the region, Iran isnt Arab. They dont have corrupt brass to the extent the Arabs do, nor the problem of officers and ncos hording information and technical ability to further themselves rather than sharing it to improve military capability.

They also have genuine patriotism for their country - not a false sense of national identity that must be enforced by gunpoint like saddam had. They have fought off invasions before and won, and not forgotten the asshurt they experienced from those times. They are fairly competent and absolutely motivated.

Now obviously they would be btfo in an invasion with conventional warfare. However, being that they arent dumb fucking Arabs, they are aware of this, and put serious focus on insurgency strategy. Being that Iran is ridiculously mountainous, with a population that is extremely nationalistic, who are also the last true holdout of Shia islam, AND with a healthy distaste for the west - fighting an insurgency in Iran would perhaps be the hardest place on planet fucking earth to do so, other than the US itself. Not to mention that Iran is actually quite well off considering the circumstances and that its population is relatively content - we wont have any help from the natives like we got in Iraq from enemies of the Baath party.

All of this not counting the immediate support Iran would get from Russia and China. Theres a reason we have not invaded Iran yet and thats because the cost is too damn high to satisfy any objectives we have there.

They got drones and captured US stealth technology.

US forces would have to deal with stealth drones.

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any organised resistance on the part of the Iranian armed forces would be oblitirated very quickly this is Americas strength they can sit back and decimate their enemy via air and arty. The tables turn the moment boots hit the ground and the fighting goes house to house while the US would still win the casualty rate would be high.

Iran did nothing wrong.

>>33273218
There is also a fairly large Iranian community living in the US. While a lot of them hate their government they still love their country so I'd expect some terrorist attacks.

>>33273145
>there are a lot more moderate itanians left in Iran than there were Iraqis left in Iraq

And invading their country, blowing up their homes, and killing their relatives is going to do so much to make them pro-US

>>33273180
He said moderate, not completely cucked

>>33273056
Important

You think the Iraq insurgency was bad? Sure go ahead and try Iran, can't wait to see how that turns out.

>>33273218
Also, even though a large part of the population isn't happy with their government, they certainly aren't happy with the west as well. So don't expect that the civil population will just roll over because they are "freed".

>>33273211
This

I can see how this is likely to go down.

>well just bomb them, no need for boots on the ground. We must stop their nuclear program!

Then Iranian agents hit a US target outside of Iran, or Iran manages to shoot down a US plane.

>Were not gonna let them kill Americans like that!

And then boots on the ground.

Invading Iran has one major advantage over invading Iraq or Afghanistan.

It doesn't border Iran.

Once you take out the lynchpin of Shiite Islamism in the region, all you have to deal with is the Sunni Islamists, who can't operate in Iran.

Also, Russia would be fresh out of influence in the Middle East.

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It would most likely start with a naval engagement and the US would BTFO all Iranian units and probably end up sending small amounts of SOF to the strategic oil fields and ports of Iran. You cannot hold conventional troops in place due to its terrain. Hezbollah would resist any western coalition conventional forces inflicting heavy casualties. We should do it.

>Amphibious assault now
>mfw

>>33274072
Theres a way around this though. Unlike Sunni, Shia islam is highly clerical and hierarchal, and if the ayatollah tells them not to wage jihad, they won't. So the trick is to keep him alive, curtail his political authority, keep him as strictly a religious leader and make sure he realizes how fucked he is if he encourages his people to wage an insurgency.

Think Japan and Hirohito. Same basic deal.

We wouldn't use ground forces except defensively. There is no way we would actually invade Iran.

The war would by fought by the USN and USAF.

>>33274282
>Theres a way around this though. Unlike Sunni, Shia islam is highly clerical and hierarchal, and if the ayatollah tells them not to wage jihad, they won't. So the trick is to keep him alive, curtail his political authority, keep him as strictly a religious leader and make sure he realizes how fucked he is if he encourages his people to wage an insurgency.

Iran has a very moderate populace with a sizable conservative minority. Would the average Iranian who doesn't care that much about the Ayatollah really stop resisting invaders because the ayatollah said so at gun point?

>>33273260
>any organised resistance on the part of the Iranian armed forces would be oblitirated very quickly this is Americas strength they can sit back and decimate their enemy via air and arty
That's what we said about Vietnam and Afghanistan as well.

>>33273056
both

>>33273218

and where you finish with "objectives we have there" I can think of very few aside from hoping to change the regime which is pretty much what got us here in our relationship with Iran to begin with.

The US wants nothing to do with invading Iran. Nothing to gain and everything to lose.

>>33273260
what optic does that guy have?

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I don't think america could bribe the Iranians to stop killing them like they did with the Iraqi insurgents.

>>33274430
Actually we stand a lot to gain, it's just that the war wouldn't look like Iraq or Afghanistan. Large scale air and naval combat designed to eliminate their airforce, degrade their IADS, and cripple their ability to launch anything larger than a speedboat. That would be coupled with tactical strikes designed to weaken their ability to launch rocket and missile artillery. Actual boots on the ground outside of SOF would be more or less limited to islands in the Persian Gulf. This would be combined with a heavy focus on the IRGC with both hard and soft power to weaken them as a military, political, and economic force within Iran. The goal wouldn't be so much as installing a new regime but instead altering existing power structures in a direction that favors US interests. In this case even if nothing changes in the short term, we've still checked Iran as a regional power, reduced their military options in international conflict, severely curtailed their ability to sponsor foreign groups, and weakened one of the mechanisms that keep the current regime in place.

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Yeah, send in your unstoppable super muhreeens, go die for Israel.

>>33274361
america is great at fucking up organized resistance. its what happens after we cant deal with.

Why not just glass every city?

What kind of war? Collapsing their military would be relatively easy. Occupation would not, but could be dispensed with.

A punitive raid to destroy their nukes followed by withdrawal would make sense vs. traditional bombard and occupy BS.

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>>33274577
That's what you spend yourself into oblvion for and get shitty schools and collapsing infrastructure for in return while being the only developed country withour universal healthcare. And still everbody is giving you the finger. Enjoy being Israel's vassal state.

>>33274585
You need to be older than 18 to post in these threads.

>>33274339
Religious zealots are the only ones motivated enough to initiate an insurgency in the first place.

>>33274653
>t. European or liberal
Protip: A universal healthcare is not only expensive in the longterm, it's also responsible for an increase in taxes. Also enjoy those long wait periods and decision between who are they able to save.
t. ELA Commonwealth

>>33274653
Cuckstianity is Judaism with add-ons, so Christians must wage (j)ihad for Tel Aviv.

It's OK. Jews don't lose and we can afford perpetual war. Our volunteers join for the fun and the money, not to defend anything. (I'm a career vet myself.) We don't care why we fight, we just love war.

>>33274784
Yeah, eveyone else is wrong but you.

>>33273275
Don't forget any sympathizing liberal that's willing to aid their cause (If they're even capable of doing it without pussying out)

>>33274813
>we can afford perpetual war
When your kids are repugnant ignorami crushed by college debt? when the bridge you're driving over collapses beneth you? When you get cancer and the insurance company you have financially crippled yourself paying premiums to finds a legal loophole to screw you and watch you die?

>>33272990
We'd have an excuse to use nukes then, and it'd be over before it started.

>>33273181
Goddamn that would be a pain in the ass to clear, just glass the fucking city instead.

>>33273211
Two words

Carpet. Bombing.

>>33273181
This is why we need to get back to good old fashion total war. Why the hell would you "clear" anything?

Cut the city off, no water or power. kill anything that try's to leave or gets high enough to fly out and wait.

>>33275295
Nearly worked in St Peters so why wouldn't it work today, this.

>>33273211
The only possible justification for the US invading Iran at all is misuse of their nuclear program, so that's for the strategic nuclear forces to handle.

>>33275264
Several words:

Violation of international laws, the Geneva convention, the Hague convention, and human morality

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>>33274854
Shit that will happen no matter what!

You think that's the Jews? That's rampant capitalism. That's the only religion any of us is going to die for!

>>33274854
>>33274820
>College debt
Considering the amount of financial aid services, in-college scholarships and private scholarships available, its their fault for being ignorant in the first place.
>crumbling infrastructure
Protip: Just because the media exaggerates about it, doesn't mean its as bad as they say it is. There's already have been repair attempts throughout the major transnational highways, especially I-80 that connects between New York and California.
>Muh universal healthcare
So you not only want to be in debt on the long term, you also want to be stricken with long waiting periods, have a possiblity of not being serviced, and increase the price of healh coverage over time? You can get basic services covered for less money from both charitable organizations and from clinics. Lets' not forget the fact that the US healthcare from its private fields has a better survival rating than the NHS system of the UK which everyone loves to jerk off to. There are many affordable private health plans and premiums that individuals can be provided and chosen for. Unless of course, you're in favor of having doctors and hospitals pay out of their own pockets at gunpoint because you.
>https://youtu.be/3WnS96NVlMI
>https://www.cato.org/blog/socialized-medicine-anecdote-data
Anyways, this conversation is more >>>/pol/ or >>>/news/ related. So go and make a thread over there.

>>33275342
Depends on weather or not the red army saves the day!

>>33275377
But nukes are just fine and dandy huh fuck the pussy papers

>>33275388
Bringing it back to /k/: the only reason those eurofags can even barely afford universal healthcare is Uncle Sam subsidizing their defense. That mandatory 2% NATO spending is going to cause fun times over there.

>>33275377
None of which they recognize if I'm correct.

So we're all good then!

Good talk.

This is the shit that pisses me off. We talk about task but not purpose. Task; War with iran; task. Purpose; ?????

War with Iranian government and conventional forces propose their surrender? That's like three months tops.

Occupation? That'll be a hot minute.

>>33272990
We wouldn't even have an issue with Iran of it wasn't a theocracy. If we allowed democracy to flourish there as it was doing naturally, when they ousted their king and elected a president, we may have had good relations with them today. What did we do? Listened to fucking Israel and put the king back into power (Operation Ajax if anyone wants a /k/ related read) and it blew up on our faces.

Now we want to solve it with more intervention? We need to stop fucking listening to Israel, they've been trying to shill a war with Iran for a long time. Since the 80's Iran has been "literally weeks away from having nukes" according to them (and by our own media for some reason, hmmmm)

If anything we should support black operations to oust the theocrats. We may face blowback for making the same mistake twice, or maybe there's enough secular Iranians who would be glad if the Ayatollah was ousted. There was a huge almost revolution over there not even a decade ago because of the sham elections. A lot of them seem to not support their government. You know what would make that change though? If the enemy of their government came over and started blowing people up... We have a habit of taking the wrong approach.

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>In 2005, the IRGC announced that it was incorporating a flexible, layered defense —referred to as a mosaic defense—into its doctrine.

So Iran is well aware that they will not last long in a conventional war.

>As part of the mosaic defense, the IRGC has restructured its command and control architecture into a system of 31 separate commands—one for the city of Tehran and 30 for each of Iran’s provinces. The primary goal of restructuring has been to strengthen unit cohesion at the local level and give commanders more latitude to respond to potential threats—both foreign and domestic.

So, they have created 30 different semi-autonomous command structures-- or cells. The IRGC is mentally prepared to fight on for a long time in the even of a decapitation strike on Tehran. Logistically how long can they last chilling up in mountains?

Hard to say, but it's likely that any US incursion would be unpopular among locals so Iranian units would likely receive support from the population with food, supplies, smuggling ops, intelligence, etc.

>The mosaic defense plan allows Iran to take advantage of its strategic depth and formidable geography to mount an insurgency against invading forces. Most of Iran’s population centers and major lines of communication are spread out within the interior of the country. Iran’s borders are ringed by rugged mountain ranges that serve as natural barriers to invasion. As enemy supply lines stretched into Iran’s interior, they would be vulnerable to interdiction by special stay-behind cells, which the IRGC has formed to harass enemy rear operations.

It's likely, like Gulf War 2.0, the US would plan to try its best to blitzkrieg through the mountains on Iraq's border into its interior. By doing so, it will leave countless numbers of Iranian ground forces behind lines to harass US forces for the coming years. Digging them out would be such a lengthy, expensive pain that it would make Afghanistan's mountain warfare easy.

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>>33275543

>Geography is a key element in Iranian naval planning. The Gulf’s confined space, which is less than 100 nautical miles wide in many places, limits the maneuverability of large surface assets, such as aircraft carriers. But it plays to the strengths of Iran’s naval forces, especially the IRGCN.

Iran's navy is not likely to play a role in such a conflict beyond initial skirmishes at sea. It's very possible Iranian subs would get some hits on US/Western vessels, but ultimately they would be forced to cede the sea to the US.

>Iran has managed to acquire several batteries of the advanced Tor-M1 medium altitude SAM system from the Russians, but its air defense capabilities remain limited. As of mid-2010, efforts to buy the advanced long-range SA-300 SAM from the Russians had failed. Iran also lacks an integrated air defense network or the ability to engage air-to-air targets beyond visual range.


For Iran, the situation is even worse in the air. Very little impact of Iranian's ancient, aging fleet of fighters. Their A2/AD isn't even that well developed. Air defense will be a nuisance, but not a serious threat to the outcome in a US-Iran conflict. They have defense installations hidden all over the country. They might get some hits, but IRIAF leadership surely knows they don't have any sort of parity in the air.

So basically, Iran gets BTFO with a huge caveat. The amount of pain the US must endure depends entirely on the type of mission. If it's regime change and an occupation the US wants, then Iran is set up to be a far worse boondoggle than Iraq. They have structured a large chunk of their land force in a way that has set them up to wage asymmetric warfare against invaders. Given the geography of Iran this means a long fucking pain in the ass mission to kill more brown people hidden in caves.

If the mission is just to blow up some nuclear processing plants and shit. Then easy peazy.

>iranprimer.usip.org/resource/irans-military-doctrine

>>33274556
Or we could engage them diplomatically since the circumstances have changed since 1979

>>33275404
Yeah let's just nuke a country that Russia has stated it would defend from US intervention. They get like 40% of their oil from Iran and the rest comes through Iran.

I find it funny that every time a war with Iran is brought up some edgy 20-somethings start chiming "yee haw nuke the goatfuckers!" That country is not a third world backwater full of people that hate you, they have ties to other powerful governments and a large percentage of secular people. Who's fed you the mindset wanting to shoot nukes at them like they're some huge threat to you? Who are they even a huge threat to... oh, (((them))). It's always (((them))).

>>33275377
that's why you have the Iraqi government do the carpet bombing.

>>33275639
Hmmm..

>CIA sets up ISIS
>ISIS takes over Iraq and other areas surrounding Iran
>ISIS is heavily anti-Iran
>Now has access to Iraqi and Syrian military hardware

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

>>33275486
>muh Jews

Dammit, Mossadegh had KGB agents behind him, Iran (which may I remind you, is from where the U.K. Got most of their petroleum from during that time) was a poisoned cup of tea away from becoming a Soviet satellite state. What the fuck does Israel or Jews have to do with 1950s US/British foreign policy?

>>33275586

Not advocating nuking Iran but Iran has been in a state of war with the US since 1979 and bankrolls every Shia terrorist group in the world.

>>33274742
I wasn't aware Vietnamese were fighting for their slant eyed god

>>33274653
T. Dumbass, possible vatnik

Because a nation with a GDP of 286 billion can totally afford to buy off and control a nation with a GDP of 17 trillion.

>>33275727
Communism is practically a religion in of itself,and the Diem government wasn't all that popular in top of that.

>>33275727
Communism essentially is a religion, its believers are very dogmatic. Atheists feel the need to cling to shit too.

>>33275377
Who cares desu

Certainly would destroy the economy back at home, and push people to poverty even more.

I imagine the US would win, but it would destroy America even further than it already is.

We already live in a spy state, and have a banking system to prop up overlords.

Pretty sure the poverty in the US would get so great that we'd finally bust our top, and this shit hole would die, and might go back to being America again.

World rejoices as the hall monitor is finally defeated.

>>33273260
>the US would still win the casualty rate would be high.
this is code for "The US would win every battle then run away"

>>33274119
>all you have to deal with is the Sunni Islamists
you know these guys have been kicking American ass since 2003

>>33272990
I would feel bad for the Iranian citizens who don't want war with US. Also I'd hope not too much ancient structures are destroyed.
Iran's government is fucking retarded and needs to go back to secular for sure.

>>33275681
Mossadegh was nothing more than a typical Mid-East strongman. He suspended elections once his party got a plurality, abandoned his political allies, and set himself up with unlimited power. His current status has a lot to do with post-Revolution propaganda, which is funny because the Islamists were some of his fiercest critics towards the end.

>>33273016
Kek, there's always that one faggot that underestimates the enemy.

>>33274839
And the retarded conservative that likes to pretend those who disagree with the war are anti-patriotic.

>>33275388
That's bullshit. Even private hospitals have ridiculous waiting times. Besides, certain regulations can be set in place to make things go smoothly. Nuance m8

>>33275559
The S-300 they received recently is supposed to be very good for anti-aircraft roles. That's why the kikes and Murica were freaking out about it and forced Russia to not deliver it. If it wasn't a significant weapon system, they wouldn't have made a big deal about it.

>>33275706
By terror groups do you mean Hezbollah? They're only a "terror group" because "muh Israel!". They in reality, are not a terrorist group and even get support from Christians in Lebanon. But of course, that doesn't fit (((their))) agenda.

>>33275761
>Atheists feel the need to cling to their shit too
I wonder why, it's not like of Christians and Muslims hate atheists or anything. You fucking idiot.

>>33276215

Cool story bro, how's the weather in Tehran today? By the way, you should know that Hezbollah is just one Iranian front organization.

>What are the 1983 Beirut barracks and embassy bombings
>What was the hijacking of TWA Flight 847 and the murder of Robert Stethem
>What are the US hostages taken in Lebanon during the 80s
>What are the Jewish community center bombings in Argentina
>What are the Khobar Tower bombings
>What was the Flight 901 bombing
>What is the 1994 London embassy attack
>What is training and supplying hostile Shia militias in Iraq in order to kill US soldiers and Marines

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>>33276194

Yes, the S-300 is supposed to be good. That analysis was written after 2010 when their initial deal to get S-300 through Russia fell through.

How effective their S-300 battalions would be is up in the air, but Iran simply doesn't have the credibility to significantly lessen US strike capability. Meaning, even if Iran shoots down some fighters it won't stop the US from leveling the launch sites.

The USAF isn't going to stop functioning simply because Iran has some S-300 systems. As an Americunt I believe the air supremacy doctrine will almost always beat A2/AD doctrines meme.

>>33275982

Correct, but the KGB-backed Tudeh was a major backer of Mossadegh once he started suspending elections. Three guesses as to what was going to happen once the ball got rolling.

>>33276536
>Beirut bombings
It's funny when (((they))) try to call anyone an Iranian or an antisemite whenever they defend Hezbollah. It's funny because if you actually did research, Hezbollah wasn't responsible for it. It was a group called The "Islamic Jihad". Nice job pointing the finger at Hezbollah. How's Tel aviv? You enjoying it Schlomo?

>>33276536
>Khobar Tower bombings blamed on Shia Iran
> Ignore the fact that Osama Bin Laden was being congratulated after the bombing happened
>Ignore al-Qaeda link
>Blame Iran anyways

>>33276737

Nice try, Mahmoud. The "Islamic Jihad Organization" was a front group of Hezbollah and the IRGC.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/tehran/interviews/baer.html

>>33276785

It's debatable if Al-Qaeda or the IRGC carried out the attack. A 2006 US investigation concluded that the attack was carried out by Iranian agents.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/22/AR2006122200455.html

>>33276737
>Hezbollah wasn't responsible for it
Yeah, according to Hezbollah and Iran

>>33276821
Oh! Hmm, a country that has an interest in bringing down the Iranian government and shilling for Israel conducted an investigation and "discovered" that their arch enemy(Iran) did something....sure Schlomo...sure

>>33276888

I'm convinced you're a VAJA psyops agent or a particularly gullible good gabr. No one else would be shilling for Iran so hard.

Besides, the US was currently fighting against Al-Qaeda at the time - why wouldn't they implicate them at well if they were falsifying evidence? It wasn't as if there was a shortage of events where Iranian proxies attacked US citizens/interests.

>>33276536
The bombings in Argentina are pretty strange. Especially since Israel was quick to dismiss further investigations and claimed that Mossad agents supposedly already killed the bombers. Yet they failed to provide the supposed bodies and failed to show the evidence to the Argentinian government. "January 2014, Yitzhak Aviran, who had been Israel's ambassador to Argentina at the time, claimed in an interview with a Spanish-language Jewish newspaper that most of the perpetrators of the attack had been tracked down and killed by Mossad, Israel's secret service, saying "a majority of those responsible for the act are no longer alive, and we took care of this on our own." Aviran's statements caused concern in Argentina, whose Foreign Minister, Héctor Timerman, accused Israel of having thus "prevented the gathering of new evidence that could shed light on the affair." Argentina also summoned the Israeli chargé d'affaires to ask for explanations about Aviran's statements. For its part, the Israeli government, through its own Foreign Ministry, dismissed Aviran's claims as "complete nonsense."

>>33276950
Because it'll please (((them))). Plus Iran was a Boogeyman before Al-Qaeda was even around. You have to have as many boogeymen as possible in case one no longer remains as one.

>>33272990
This would be an absolute nightmare. Look out how well they defended their country in the early 80s when they had just had a military purge and had largely outdated (besides aviation) equipment. As Khomenei said, no nation with 20 million riflemen will ever be defeated.

The US might be able to invade and even capture the population centers but they will be constantly bled out by fanatical IRGC members.

>>33276985

A "Boogeyman" who happens to be at war with the US since 1979 and funds terrorist groups.

>>33275749
"Because a nation with a GDP of 286 billion can totally afford to buy off and control a nation with a GDP of 17 trillion."

Face it, Israel jumps when the US says "jump," not the other way around. Israel and the US happen to have the same enemies in the region, so they mostly cooperate.

>>33276989
You mean right before they used US hostages to coerce us into selling them weapon systems after which we sent the profits from those sales to the Contras in Honduras and Nicaragua?

>>33276888
America has a pretty good reason for not liking Iran, they did say their explicit desire is the destruction of America

>>33277308

>implying the United States of Jewmerica doesn't deserve to be destroyed

>>33276888
Trips of truth.

The concentration of Irans population is in the Caspian region, so keeping forces supplied would be difficult. They are more competent than the Iraqis, and they even built factory quality EFP's.

Plus there would be major spillover, and the threat of the strait of Hormuz being mined.

I wouldn't take the idea lightly.

>>33277017
You're a literal retard if you don't see that the U.S. consistently follows foreign policy that benefits Saudi Arabia more than everyone else.

After Nasser, and Saddam were killed, the last secular pan-Arabist was Ghadaffi, and the State department had him taken care of too. The Arabs own Western TV, newspapers, and twitter.

I bet you're dumb enough to believe /pol/ too.

>>33277566
>pol

Git out

>>33277678
>You're a literal retard if you don't see that the U.S. consistently follows foreign policy that benefits Saudi Arabia more than everyone else.
It was mutual pleasure. 9/11 like Pearl Harbor greatly benefited US leaders.

>>33275377
Go fuck yourself.

>>33273215
Automatic shoot back robot. We should be using them in Iraq too.

>>33277017
>Face it, Israel jumps when the US says "jump," not the other way around. Israel and the US happen to have the same enemies in the region, so they mostly cooperate.

Go read Mearsheimer and try to come back and say that with a straight face

>>33272990
It'd be easy going until Iran got desperate and nuked our ground forces. Once the conflict goes nuclear, we're fucked. Iran, knowing they're already going to be seen as the villain, would go all out and start nuking our held ground and begin using even more distasteful tactics and weapons against us. NBC warfare against our army, who hasn't really had to prepare for the occasion in 30 years, would be devastating to all sides. Infiltration tactics, civilian targets, assassination attempts, and far worse would break out.

>>33276536
>not knowing about the mossad.

beirut will make you very mad

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>>33272990
Why would anyone want to go to war with Iran? Just slowly let them absorb democracy. They are pretty modern as it is and it is their government that is crappy. Our government just wants to start shit with them because they got cucked during the hostage crisis.

>>33273199
we should steal it

lol americans lost against some gook farmers armed with kalashnikovs, 50,000+ casualties. It won't end well for them.

>>33279977
Let's win using Muslim tactics. We get close to Iran, start sending some young men over. Our boys are exotic to their women, who naturally start preferring American boyfriends. We take their most attractive or wealthy women, reproduce, and become a part of their culture. The children will be more attractive than the fully Iranian children and therefore more likely to reproduce. In a few generations, they're fully brought into the western world.

>>33272990
Depends on the motivation of the war. Crippling their military and neutering them as a regional power would be easy.

Regime change would be harder but still possible.

Long term occupation, meaningful regime change and "democratization" ala Iraq would be an utter shitshow and likely end in failure.

>>33273218

Mein neiger.

But really though, what's to stop Iran from not even going toe-to-toe and just turning into a fuckhueg insurgency? Assuming invading Iran wouldn't kick off WWtres.

>>33276155
Did you never take macro econ?

>>33278447

The only reason the Israel lobby is a thing is because the US and Israel both have the same goals in the Middle East. Israel isn't the only nation that tries to influence other nations foreign policy (pro tip, the US does the exact same thing in Israel)

>>33278544
What, now you're saying the Beirut bombings were false flags carried out by the Mossad? Is there anything they CAN'T do?

>>33280196
t. Daryush Shirazi, PressTV analyst.

>>33280251

Democratization in Iran has a much better chance of success than it did in Iraq or Afghanistan, albeit an armed occupation would be at least as difficult if not more so.

>>33276989

To be fair, the Iranians were fighting Arabs and the Iraqi military had gone through a purge recently as well.