>fastest jet plane ever >1950s tech really makes you think

>>33212580
Pretty neeto senpai

https://youtu.be/F3ao5SCedIk

enjoy

Don't forget
>would have its sensors jammed to shit by the most modest EW equipment

>>33212598
*modern EW equipment that is

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1950s and 60s were an amazing time for aviation and rocket science. They entertained any idea you could think of and half they time they tried it.

>>33212580
Why didn't you guys make a faster one?

>>33212641
Satellites and UAVs can do the recon thing. ICBMs and nuclear subs can do the nuke thing. So I'm not sure what use a manned fixed wing aircraft that can go really, really fast is. But hey, you never know. People have been seeing really fast UFOs in the sky for years.

>>33212641
Is there a purpose for even going above Mach 3 that overpowers the mechanic and economical downsides?
Missile interception? Transport? That's all cool, but imagine the fuel cost, the maintenance, the production, the training, the fielding...

>>33212682
More 'on demand' recon but now that role has been filled by drones.

>>33212641
They did, satellites do ~17,500mph.

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>>33212641

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>>33212620

>>33212741
That's a nice picture of swamp gas.

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>>33212580
>Lockheed plans on making sr72 that can go mach 6
>plans on making it an oversized RC meme plane

I really fucking hate drones man

>>33212822
Welcome to the future, no need to design around meatbags anymore

>>33212682

Perhaps an insanely high speed strike bomber that can get in, hit a target, and get out before there's a chance to retaliate?

>>33212906
Why do that when you can use a cruise missile though?

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>>33212580
>know pilot of one of these since I was a kid
>he has parkinsons now

>>33212920

beats me, it was just spitballing.

>>33212931
Going fast causes diseases. Ask Paris.

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>>33212580
still possibly flying today, some believe. for what purpose? i dont know, but the air force has done far stranger things

>>33212993
It's not. There's no reason to keep it a secret if it was.

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>>33212931
please tell me its bait

>>33212641
>implying

>>33213004
eh, half the information on it is still classified to this day, so its not that far fetched. plus they did some sneaky shit to make sure no one knew just how many there were. just food for thought

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>>33212641
they did. and its an interceptor. be very afraid

>>33212931
Pitch in with some of your friends to give him some blood, parabiosis is the best bet until they figure out how exactly it works.

>>33213031
Of what? A trillion dollars plane that cant stop a hypersonic ICBM?

>>33213031
>this will never be declassified

why live?

>>33213031
What's there to intercept?

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>>33213149
>MFW
>>33213093
being its able to take out extremely small targets from miles away while going at mach 4, an ICBM isnt to far out of plausibility, given its around its in the ICBM's air space

>>33213165
damn near any plane in the sky

>>33212870
>drone cucks
oh look, a jammer, and now your plane is dead

>>33213226
And that's different from
>Oh look a jammer now your plane AND pilot are dead
How?

>>33212741
these scare me

>>33213264
how the fuck does a jammer kill your pilot? is it using magical heat waves?

>>33213301
they make me hard

>>33213301
Pussy

>>33213314
>crash and burn
>eject at speeds far faster than the speed of sound and die
Choose your death.

>>33213314
>controls fried
>no guidance while you are screaming at Mach 4
>either land in hostile territory or more likely crash
Wow, it's almost like it's a stupid fucking idea and not worth the trouble when hardening electronics which is already being done is better than putting tech generations out of date because some Internet retard wants to go fast is stupid.

>>33213314
Crashing with no survivors is a legitimate threat. Ejection at SR-71 speeds is suicide as well, considering its top speed is 2000 mph and the fastest ejection that anybody survived was at 800.

>>33213226
How? They're autonomous, they just need to have a contingency case programmed in that tells it to go into a holding pattern or something if it loses signal

>>33212598
How would modern EW equipment jam a camera?

>>33213368
>>33213367
>drone cucks honestly believe this

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>>33213433
>I-if I call them cucks then my ideas aren't retarded
Your homosexuality is noted

>>33213391
well why the fuck when would you need to eject at when your plane as missile jammers like the sr71? this shit has been figured out for jets in the 60s

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>>33212580
>Implying we don't have a spy drone that can go Mach 10

>>33213445
if drones are so perfect then why isnt every singe new aircraft unmanned

>>33213457
Because they still have a place in that specific role, humans in ultra fast reconnaissance planes and stealth bombers is retarded and pointless.

>>33213457

Name a US aircraft that's begun development in the past decade that can't fly without a pilot sitting inside of it.

>>33213445
you said hardening electronics can stop jamming, so wouldnt your aircraft be protected regardless?

>>33213474
>reconnaissance plane
read the fucking post. its an interceptor not a spy plane or bomber. fucking hell did you come from day /k/?

>>33213482
But why fucking bother with a person that is far more likely to make a mistake and require shit like comfort for long range missions and not turning to mush during certain maneuvers?

And I said it can prevent it, there will always be an arms race of fucking with electronics but adding people to that is a mistake.

>>33213502
>I have knowledge of all the details of a black project because I have some blurry photos
An interceptor going at that speed becoming any more useful with a person inside is even dumber. Nice projection though.

>>33213522
>turn to mush during cerain maneuvers
>what is stress damage?

>>33213522
>far more likely to make a mistake
what do think its controlled by fucking robots? drones are controlled by a person on the ground so that point is moot

>>33213541
>what is stress damage?

An engineering problem, unlike G-LOC

>>33213541
Not as damaging as permanently destroying a man for lulz.

>>33213559
People are machines that are happiest when not cramped into an airplane that is designed with people as an afterthought with no food or water for hours at high G, a drone command center has entire crews of people who can take shifts, stretch thier legs, jack off and generally be ready to make better decisions.

>>33213593
>engineering problem
>at mach 4
if the pilot will turn to mush, so will the plane, at those speeds. also do you legitimately believe that stress damage is just faulty engineering? what has every single plane ever just been designed by monkeys? now i know your form day /k/. or just autistic

>>33213598
>a person will make better pilot based on seating choice
in that case lets just give every pilot a recliner and a flesh light, then theyll turn into some kind of super pilot

>>33213149
Give it 50 years.
When the shit about Airy wave sonar gets out people will shit their pants

>>33213649
how many insane projects does the AF have that he dont see? i wanna see that shit

>>33213623
>if the pilot will turn to mush, so will the plane, at those speeds.

Are you an idiot? UAVs designed with high-g maneuvers in mind can pull upwards of 20g, and air-to-air missiles have been pulling 40-plus since Korea

>>33212741

Story?

>>33213623
>plane will turn to mush at Mach 4
>No man made object can do Mach 4
Oh look, a retard.

>>33213668
>UAVs designed with high-g maneuvers
>only UAVs designed with that in mind are for space travel or intelligence purposes

>>33213658
Literally no one knows. Even the highest members of the executive branch are affected by compartmentalization.
Either way if you can read between the lines about high level physics projects that suddenly "stop getting funding" when they have good theoretical and even practical results, you can tell some cool shit is happening.
If you wanna see a good project, get a doctorate, start working on shit and accept you'll die poor working for Uncle Sam.

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>>33213685
>high G maneuvers mach 4 is possible

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>>33213695
>mfw ISV Columbus is real

>>33213691
>only UAVs designed with that in mind are for space travel

So now I know you're just pulling shit out of your ass. The only UAV currently designed for space travel is the X-37, which has to sustain an absolute max acceleration of 4.6g laterally during launch. Re-entry is rather calm by comparison due to its winged design.

>>33213695
I bet you can kidnap some of them for info, pretend you're a Nork or something after putting them into a slightly decompressed chamber that rocks about for a couple hours and they will never see thier family again unless they tell everything.

Then dump them outside thier house and make them think Norks have teleportation tech or something.

>>33213718
Nah, why hide a Mars mission?

What you want to look into are shit like telemere therapy and hypersonic travel.

>>33213734
>he didnt even read the other half of the post
drone intellectuals

>>33213748
supposedly they hid it because they were building something there

>>33213479
KC-X for one you dummy

>>33213761
Don't get mad because I called you out on your "space UAVs!" bullshit

>>33213695
>Literally no one knows.

Seems like SAPOC would know about most of it

>>33213772
>gets called out on autism
>lol ur just mad
>>>/b/

>>33213769
True, but a subsonic tanker based off of existing designs doesn't really fit the spirit of this thread.

>>33213794
>it dosnt count because i dont like it

>>33213791
Ah, yes, the old "I got caught lying, if I claim that they have autism, everybody will forget about it!" ploy.

How did I not see that coming.

>>33213806
Hey, I said you were right about it. Just that it doesn't really prove anything other than it'd be difficult and/or expensive to make a 767 unmanned rather than just sticking pilots in it.

>>33213817
the recently announced light attack aircraft is another

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>>33213808
>both parties have reached a stalemate in their original argument, neither disproving or negating the other, so they resort to insults to make them feel better
is this how every thread goes around here? neat.

>>33212741
I saw a triangular aircraft moving fast as fuck over rural Illinois about 15 years ago.

>>33213391
Well if something goes wrong that would require a pilot to eject that plane is going to decelerate super fast.

But there is no reason not to make a recon jet unmanned.

>>33213879
>implying its a recon jet
its first sighting was in 98' so i think we can rule that out

>>33213559
The newest drones don't have any joystick controls, just click and drag on a map to send commands.

>>33212620
>Project Pluto

Literally the scariest thing man has ever dreamed up. Pretty happy they didn't try that one.

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>>33213649
>Airy wave sonar
?

>>33213922
>not cobalt bomb

Do you guys think it's reasonable to assume we have tech that could take out ICBMs?

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>>33212620
>tests were extremely successful
>only cancelled because it would be too provocative
yeah, normally id despise such a decision but with pluto i think it was for the best

>>33213658
see>>33212620
if they cancelled something if the tests are going good, and its not ridiculously expensive, then its guaranteed that its gone underground. shits scary yo

>>33213955
>what are sprint missiles?
had it since the 70s

>>33213955
That was the whole point of the Strategic Defense Initiative, right? That said, I remember hearing that the Patriot missile systems were an absolute failure at intercepting SCUD missiles launched at Tel Aviv during the Gulf War. But that was over 25 years ago, so who knows?

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>>33213926
Basically it's a way to get around the traditional physics limitations of sonar.
Due to the structure of the Airy waveform, it's sometimes said to be "non-diffracting". As opposed to the Gaussian waveform we've been using, it is far more resilient to being obstructed by things like fish, mineral content, and other natural sources of distortions in the reading. In fact, due to the lobes on either side of the focus, it reconstructs itself after being distorted. Furthermore, airy waves travel in a curved path, rather than the straight path we're familiar with from traditional EM radiation.
There are publically available studies into it's uses for sonar from the 80's, but the hardware wasn't good enough to to produce the waves at the right resolutions. Starting about 2005, we've been able to do that. The limitations were power generation and computing ability to make sense of the wave readouts.
The Chinks have known about this for a bit, but who knows what they've managed with it
https://www.osapublishing.org/DirectPDFAccess/5996F9DB-D238-6A14-824FC083CC8CFA4F_183696/oe-17-15-13236.pdf?da=1&id=183696&seq=0&mobile=no
http://physics.aps.org/story/v20/st19

>>33213951
>Thought experiment that was highly unlikely

>Actual design that worked so well it made the fucking cold war government say hold up let's not

>>33213951
>a weapon designed not for taking out cites or bases directly, but by using radioactive fallout to specifically poison and kill people slowly, and render large, state sized areas uninhabitable for millennia
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>Let's develop a high altitude super sonic bomber capable of speeds of mach 3 to avoid enemy anti aircraft systems
>oh shit they have missiles now forget the whole thing
>SR-71 evades countless missiles through out its entire life being designed with the same philosophy as the XB-70 Valkyrie
Wouldn't a high speed high altitude bomber work in this day and age? If the SR-71 could outrun state of the art missiles the soviets sold to other nations, it seems like a valid concept. Then again we don't need bombers like that anymore.

>>33214042
see>>33213973
its not dead, just hiding

>>33213973
That reminds me of the polywell reactor, a type of internal confinement fusion generator. At one point the inventor figured that he could have a prototype capable of producing more energy than it it needed to operate, then he stopped getting funding. The provider of the funding was the U.S. Navy.

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>>33213951
Great. I had never heard of a cobalt bomb before you posted this. Now I googled it and I'll never be able to sleep soundly again. Thanks.

>>33214062
I remember someone I knew from an airforce base mentioned how the airforce will hide the costs of projects by spreading them out among mundane things. Like having receipts for washing machines that "cost" 1000 dollars and such.

>>33214073
It's not a viable method. You'd need several tons of cobalt per bomb.

>>33214035
what the fuck were they smoking?

>>33214082
>implying that was a limitation
a minor annoyance at best, back then

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>>33214089
Camel Cigarettes. 4 out of 5 doctors prefer Camel Cigarettes over other brands. With the new filter action, Camel Cigarettes offer a richer taste that no other brand can provide - with a mild smoke that doesn't irritate the smoke. Dentists recommend filtered cigarettes.

>>33214074
this is accurate and also how black project money is transferred to normal projects and vice versa. a shell company will be created for, say, catering, some politicians with way too much money will buy $200,000 meeting tables and $50,000 lunches, then the money will be directly fed into black projects. it works the other way around also.

if you want to find people who participate in these companies, just go on linkedin and look for people who worked at large companies/agencies (NSA, CIA, Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon) then moved over to shitty little mom and pop style companies (Aunty Nesselrode's Catering Company) for no apparent reason, with no information on what they did there. look into those companies, you'll find 99% of them don't have company websites, facebook pages, twitter accounts and so on. then you just look at things like county permit disclosures, find out where they actually are, find out who is liable for them, and boom. you have a list of spooks and a government shell company.

>>33212620
I really don't see the problem here. You guys realize radiation dissipates, right? Project Pluto would only be deadly to people directly exposed to it, ie, enemy personnel, before becoming harmless.

>>33212641
Two reasons. 1st- Cold War is over (well, maybe it just took a break) so there is little incentive. 2nd- satellites have taken over the role for information gathering.

>>33213448
why words be like words and not salad?

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>>33214062
In this country, WE OBEY THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS!

>>33213707
>every missile ever just goes in a straight line

>>33212580

Yeah we have a time machine fuck you.

>>33212931

>nicotine

Mig-25, the numbers dont even exist outside of wikipedia.

SU-25 can only fly that far, so they say.

>>33212580
SR-91 Aurora is a thing

>>33213165

Nukes. It's about time that MAD gets made obsolete and we get back to conventional warfare like has been going on for the better part of history.

>>33212620
>"On May 14, 1961, the world's first nuclear ramjet engine, "Tory-IIA", mounted on a railroad car, roared to life for a few seconds. Three years later, "Tory-IIC" was run for five minutes at full power. Despite these and other successful tests the Pentagon, sponsor of the "Pluto project", had second thoughts. The weapon was considered "too provocative", and it was believed that it would compel the Soviets to construct a similar device, against which there was no known defense."
>no known defense
shit...

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>>33212641
>Why didn't you guys make a faster one?
Metallurgy. At mach 3.3 you're pretty much at the thermal limit of titanium alloys (plus or minus .02 mach or so, depending on the weather) for the airframe and inlets, AND at the thermal limit of the nickel superalloy used in the engines. Even with several decades and several hundred degrees improvement to both these classes of alloy, you'd only gain an additional 100 knots or so before you're overtemping shit again.

And while you COULD make an aircraft that could briefly DASH to higher mach before parts have time to heat up to limits (see X-15 and other high-performance rockets and ramjets), it wouldn't be very useful. More of a gimmick than anything else.

>>33212741
>>33213031
>>33214363
[tinfoil intensifies]

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>>33214458
That's why ceramics are replacing inconel.
GE and Rolls-Royce have ceramics that can take 700F more than inconel 625.

We are also assuming they don't have a way to remove heat from the skin of the plane.

50+ years of technology does wonders.

>>33212596
the jr58 is a bit old fashioned
even at the time it was first made

>>33214458
>materials technology haven't been improved in literally 60 years
>all material advances relating to black project aircrafts are publicly known

>>33214284
If a missile is pulling high g, they aren't going mach 4 anymore.

>>33214555
>We are also assuming they don't have a way to remove heat from the skin of the plane.
wouldn't that create a halo around the plane on IR?

>>33214555
>a way to remove heat from the skin of the plane.
why remove it ?
they would use that heat to make the plane go faster somehow

>>33212931
what his name

>>33213004
they might have upgraded it with modern materials and weaponized it. think about it, it could fly up to the edge of space and shoot a missile that targets satellites or some shit

>>33213165
satellites and nukes

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>>33212580
>No weapons
>Piece production
>40% crash rate
Step aside, amerishit.

>>33213432
With laser.

>>33214764
low cunning: the plane

>>33214555
>GE and Rolls-Royce have ceramics that can take 700F more than inconel 625.
I think there are modern alloys which will do that, too. The F100-229 supposedly has a TIT of 2,700* F, and the F119 is over 3,000.
But that STILL won't net you a whole lot. Stagnation temperatures stack up quick at high mach numbers.
>We are also assuming they don't have a way to remove heat from the skin of the plane.
>We are also assuming they don't have a way to remove heat from the skin of the plane.
Remove it to where? The fuel? Do you have any idea what kind of heat transfer coefficients a 450-KEAS wind blast will produce? You're not going to be able to get away with that shit for very long (or if you do, it will only produce a marginal degree of cooling).

>>33214573
Being old-fashioned actually helps for high-mach flight in one very specific regard: older turbine engines used high-temperature nickel alloys throughout, even in the low-pressure compressor stages. Modern engines use titanium LP compressors since, in normal (subsonic) flight, the LP compressor is not exposed to outrageous temperature (only the turbine stages downstream of the combustor are and, depending on the engine and OPR, possibly HP compressors too).

But put an engine behind a fancy-ass supersonic inlet and push it to mach 3, and suddenly compressor temperature becomes a big fucking deal.

>>33214635
Not true at all. A missile's maneuverability is greatest at peak speed. More speed = more (available) lift, more lift = more Gs. Also doesn't hurt that the missile will have expended almost all of it's propellant at this moment as well, making it lighter.

>>33213165
Death gliders

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>>33213748

If telemere is what google seemed to say and anti-aging, no way that would stay behind closed doors for long. If it was prohibitively expensive then the elites would be using it but if it wasn't they'd be cashing in and selling that shit ASAP.

>>33214025

It's a little heartening to know that for all the philosophical waxing on the evils of man man is decent enough that when shit is really crazy pic related happens 9/10.

That being said according to wiki at least https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_bomb

It wouldn't be millenia but 130 years to return to a baseline natural background radiation or 50 years to be able to be out for 1-4 days in the radiation zone. Seems like a cobalt bomb would be the closest thing to the pop cultural notion of a nuke - it wouldn't match Fallout's timetable but you'd get Metro 2033 minus spoopy spoopy monsters.


[spoiler]Or would you?[/spoiler]

>>33213695
Project "Marauder" is a good example of this.

>>33214995
Why do you think people like Rockefeller are 108, on thier 8th heart and still alive?

>>33214697
You mean the missiles which can be fired from an F-15?

>>33213031
Intake couldn't handle mach 3

>>33213301

why? I'd kill to know if the air force had a secret ssto

>>33214458

>Even with several decades and several hundred degrees improvement to both these classes of alloy, you'd only gain an additional 100 knots or so before you're overtemping shit again.

Depending on how much tinfoil you want to eat, this problem could be mitigated by using superconducting magnets to "float" the combustion away from the motor casing. Similar tech is used in nuclear fusors (everything from desktop fusor toys to CRT TVs and linear accelerators). Only problem is that those magnets require a lot of energy, for both actual power and cryogenics.

Assuming I'm remembering things right, NASA proved the proof of concept with NERVA, but with regular electromagnets as superconducting ones hadn't been developed yet.

>>33212620
They should have built it.

We could be living on other planets with nuclear thermal rockets.

>>33212620
>>33214415
Nuclear rocketry is a very interesting subject for spacecraft

>>33215077
can missiles from F15s shoot down satellites?

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>>33215242

Yes.

http://www.space.com/28504-darpa-satellite-launching-jet-alasa-xs-1.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_Launch_Assist_Space_Access

>>33215531

>On 13 September 1985, Maj. Wilbert D. "Doug" Pearson, flying the "Celestial Eagle" F-15A 76-0084 launched an ASM-135 ASAT about 200 miles (322 km) west of Vandenberg Air Force Base and destroyed the Solwind P78-1 satellite flying at an altitude of 345 miles (555 km). Prior to the launch the F-15 flying at Mach 1.22 executed a 3.8g zoom climb at an angle of 65 degrees. The ASM-135 ASAT was automatically launched at 38,100 ft while the F-15 was flying at Mach .934.[7] The 30 lb (13.6 kg) MHV collided with the 2,000 lb (907 kg) Solwind P78-1 satellite at closing velocity of 15,000 mph (24,140 km/h).[9]

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>>33215542
>closing velocity of 15,000 mph

>>33213184

This is my question entirely. How feasible is a manned icbm interceptor? Would be pretty game changing, and would put emphasis massively back on to submarine warfare and detection imo. Related note talked to a dude who worked at naval warfare research center and he said massive attention goes to sub detection and counter detection, the military might be less than confident in the missiles as a strategic option methinks.

>>33212741
it's a weather balloon

>>33212943
>MFW I understand that reference

>>33212580
>>fastest jet plane ever

That you know about, and you don't matter so fuck off.

>No programs exist I don't know about

Idiot.

>>33212641
>Why didn't you guys make a faster one?

What is a search engine? What are aircraft used for? What was that aircraft used for?

/k/ is now /spoonfeed/

>>33212822
>I really fucking hate drones man

Why? You can draw cartoons with you flying anything you want. UAS work. Meatsacks in cockpits have real world downsides, so just eat your tendies and be a Luddite.

>>33213226
You've failed to keep up with technology, like most meatbag-in-cockpit worshippers.

Here's what a computer less powerful than may smartphones can do:

http://www.newsweek.com/artificial-intelligence-raspberry-pi-pilot-ai-475291

>>33215542
>All that space FOD
I really wish this would stop so we can continue to go to space.

>>33213457
No small amount of that is the Air Force is run by pilots who cease to be studs if they don't ride the aircraft.

Just like the Army considers anyone Not A Grunt a despicable piece of shit who should not exist, Sky Chads think anything that threatens their jerbs is evil.

We laugh at Japs flying Okhas because it's considered stupid to man an expendable vehicle, yet we man expendable warfighting flying machines and fly incredibly expensive CSAR to rescue the meatbags when one gets shot down.

>>33215104
>I'd kill to know if the air force had a secret ssto

Why since you'll never be involved if it did?

>>33213367
Idk what kind of EW you've been reading about man, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist. You'd inconvenience the pilot at most, for a few seconds, then he's out of range.

>>33214201
>nuclear powered death-ramjet with a payload of 14-15 separate nuclear warheads

I mean I know ICBMs loaded with MIRVs would accomplish essentially the same thing but Pluto just seems scarier for some reason.

>>33216575
>Pluto just seems scarier for some reason.
are you 12 ?

>>33216624
are you?

>>33216631
Yes

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>>33212620
>>33213951
>project Pluto armed with cobalt bombs >>3321395

>>33216443
That particular ASAT test was designed so that the debris created would deorbit in a few months due to air resistance. That Chinese ASAT test done a while back produced debris at a much higher altitude, so that stuff will be around for a long time.

Kessler syndrome sucks

>>33216450
Skynet you're drunk stop posting on 4chan

>>33212993
The X men need to get around somehow

>>33216822
i didn't realize they had internet access in the mental institute, Sarah

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>>33212620
I agree. Those times were crazy.

Air-to-Air nuclear missile :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-26_Falcon

Air-to-Air nuclear UNGUIDED ROCKET :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIR-2_Genie

Nuclear powered aircraft :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_NB-36H

>>33212741
I could swear on the bible I've seen something like that several times flying over central Finland during star lit nights.

>>33218130
secret flying black triangles DO exist

>>33213391
2000 knots at 80000 feet =/= 2000 knots at sea level.

I think ejecting from a SR-71 80k feet up at mach 3.2 was about the same as ejecting at 450 knots at sea level.

>>33218130
Draken?
Viggen?
Gripen?

>>33220286
I've been around air crafts to know what I saw was nothing like Viggen or Gripen. Draken maybe but it was painted black.

>>33217719
Nike Hercules. Lets shoot down a nuclear missile with another nuclear missile!

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>>33212641
We did.