"12 CVNs" Now Official

>>33173138
nah, anon. We've got a plan to replace it, the best plan, believe me. Look, Obamacare-terrible plan, terrible guy-it's been a messss. I'll be coming out with a plan shortly, very shortly.

but seriously this

>>33173138
Get a job

>>33173138
>>33173174
>being poor

>>33173197
Well considering the poorest people voted in spades for him, they're getting fucked over the most

>>33173104
Good, now if only we could have an 800 ship navy.

>>33173186
>>33173197
bootlickers

>>33173199
Niggers and mexicans vote dem, senpai.

>>33173199
>the poorest people
>voting for trump
Instead of the handout queen herself

>>33173138
I lost healthcare when the ACA came around, so it doesn't affect me.

>>33173217
>i dont know how to use the term bootlicker correctly

>>33173229
>>33173230
>toothless white trailer hicks
>richer than literally anybody
tell me more about the prosperous economies of West Virgina and Kentucky
stupid racist frogposters

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>>33173104
This is good overall i think, with trumps style of diplomacy an overwhelming military and tech advantage is necessary.

Plus there is always the hope that some of that military funding will find its way into space..

>>33173250

>Plus there is always the hope that some of that military funding will find its way into space.
Oh anon...

>>33173138
Get a job building aircraft carriers.

>>33173250
12 carriers is ideal if you want to keep 1-2 deployed at any given time.

Personally I'd prefer if he instead announced a bull modernization and expansion effort of the surface fleet, particularly destroyers and lighter vessels.

>>33173268

>12 carriers is ideal if you want to keep 1-2 deployed at any given time.
?

>>33173247
Yes, actually. Shitskins living in government housing and eating food paid for by the government are actually poorer than toothless hicks who rent a trailer.

>>33173138
I'm glad you're losing healthcare for this too

>>33173230
>implying Hillary is socialist
you've got a lot to learn young man

>>33173229
>>33173230
And people who are statistically the poorest in the nation voted Repub, many who are now losing their healthcare because the ACA is being brought offline with no replacement. Appalachia is a thing my dudes.

>>33173295
t. teenager on his momma's insurance

>more wasteful and unaccountable military expenditure from the """""'small government conservatives""""""

Oh boy ...

>>33173316
Feel free to post a source, my dude

>>33173138

Thanks for turning my aircraft carrier thread into shitposting about healthcare policy.

t. Clinton voter

>>33173247
Gee, it's almost as if people in West Virginia voted for Trump because he promised to unbuttfuck the coal industry and put them back to work.

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>>33173104
>tfw I got to see Trump speak on the Ford

>>33173138
>healthcare premiums go up under obongo
>muh healthcare

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>>33173138
Hahahah

>>33173138
>needing healthcare
Faggot

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>>33173316
>Appalachia
wow post grad destination located, sounds like paradise

>>33174566
its like the American Austria

>>33173138
> muh government won't provide for me
That's tough anon, I'm sorry that you have to work for things.

>>33173104
Wow, we really needed that. What with all the active naval wars going on, and all those other massive navy fleets numbering in the 'ones'.

>>33174497
PROTIP: Your premiums aren't gonna go down under any of the replacement plans. They're literally "All the bad parts of Obamacare but even less people can afford it and also we're keeping the individual mandate"

>>33173319
The military is one of the only legitimate functions of the federal government.

>>33174597
Imagine the scientific experience that will be gained in operating the brand new nuclear reactors going into those babies.

Then they will be launched into space for any serious settlement attempt on europa or mars.

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>>33174624
>Run on a platform that Feds waste too much money and we need to "run it like a business"
>immediately propose $50bn+ expansion of already-ludicrously-bloated military budget while cutting significantly less than that from other areas and also cutting taxes

>>33174617
He's gonna bring down the cost of drugs and other shit like that
When hospitals don't have to charge insurance companies to subsidize illegals/people without insurance that will also reduce premiums

>>33174683
>while cutting significantly less than that from other areas
Says who?

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>>33174578
No its worse.

t. Northeast TN resident

>>33174697
Increasing the gross margin of insurance companies in no way reduces premiums.

Also the aca caused my premiums to triple. We were better off before.

>>33173259
What? The spacecraft don't use Inconel?

>>33174697
>says who?
There literally isn't that much money in the programs he's proposed cuts to.

>>33173260
Lmao

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>>33174706
huh. really makes me think

>>33173496
>t. Clinton voter
lmao like you don't have any explaining to do either
retard

>>33174647
Spaceship carriers when?

>>33174938
That's a weird looking horse.

>>33174938
Did he ded?

>>33173268
>12 carriers is ideal if you want to keep 1-2 deployed at any given time.
12 carriers is the minimum to keep 3-4 deployed at any time. It's literally the reason we need 11. Don't make shit up out your ass just to sound like you know something.

>>33174456

Please tell me you went.

>>33175051
>It's literally the reason we need 12.
fixt

>>33174811

Part of his military budget plan is spending it wisely, and not wasting $45/ per plate feeding muhreens in Afghanistan and the wallets of CEOs back home.

That money is probably chump change in relation to what we just blow on bloated contracts and absurd deals.

>>33174456
I was at TAPs today
;_;

>>33173138
>tfw when cousin and friends lost healthcare and dad almost did because of ACA
>tfw me and little brother got fined 300$ because of the ACA, like we don't have enough bills already

Fuck you and your "free" healthcare

Also, not a bad plan on Trumps part

>>33174566
It is actually great IF and only if you approach it with the right mindset. If you like innawoods and tangling with drug addicts with little gummint and really nice and friendly old people, then it is a great place. Check your eastern city ways at the door though, we don't cotton to that thinking and it's a quick way to shit up the place. The Washingtard invasion is bad enough as is.

>>33175125
I had a great plan before ACA. HAD. Why should my plan get shittier so Jamal can forced to pay for health insurance he doesn't want?? Fuck Jamal.

>>33173259

I had a student fucking up pretty badly at BESS, and they brought him up to the staff for a little DRB.

I ways play the part of the calm guy trying to get to the heart of the matter. So my first question is usually "well, son. Why exactly did you volunteer for submarines?"

This kids answer: "uh, well, I like space. And submarines are the closest thing we have. So I figure I can get in on the ground floor, learn the ropes, and when we start manning war patrols in space I'll be the first to go."

Needless to say, I voted we keep him, and send his ass to the fleet.

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>>33173213

Mfw our navy has more planes than the nork airforce

>>33174578
No it really isn't, Austria doesn't have a huge meth problem.

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>>33173138
Maybe you'll stop eating that muffin, you 4000 calorie a day eating pig.

Don't pretend you suddenly value your health now.

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>>33174938
Not him but

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3604619/Camel-bites-owner-s-HEAD-left-tied-sweltering-heat-day.html

>>33173138
Youre probably some overweight cunt who wants their bad diet choices subsidisedby the americsn taxpayer. Go fuck yourself you non contributing piece of shit

>>33175257
>>33175276
What if it's a per-existing condition? Many people got insured after the ACA came into being after not being able to get insured before.

>>33173247
Wow it's almost like the Democrats killed Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia by placing overbearing environmental (((regulations))) and thus killing their industries.

How Matt Bevyn Became Governor : The Reason

>>33175382
Pre-existing conditions will be taken care of according to Trump's administration, they repeated it a lot throughout the campaign and did Tuesday night as well in the address to congress.

>>33175257
>>33175276
>projecting

>>33175473
It wasn't taken care of before and there no evidence to support that it'll be taken care after the ACA is removed as there hasn't even been a replacement plan formalized yet. Just because they say something doesn't mean it's going to happen.

>>33175450
Why does "regulations" have parenthesis around it?

>>33175542
>Why does "regulations" have parenthesis around it?
jewish tricks

t. arkansas intelligentsia

>>33175542
You're right, Obama did say something something keep your plan something something keep your doctor and then later was found out to be lying through his teeth. So we'll have to try and hold Trump to his promises.

>>33175382
If you failed to get Healthcare while you were healthy and able it's your own damn fault.
You don't have a right to Healthcare faggot.

>>33173138

Certainly know how to ruse the thread.

Good job.

>>33175566
Why would it be Jewish tricks? I want you to explain that.

>>33175586
He did, and it didn't come to fruition. But the end state was nearly 20 million Americans became insured. Including people from the areas mentioned by >>33175450

>>33175105

>trusting president Trump to do anything wisely

Whew

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>>33175076
What do you think.

>>33175118
TAPS?

>>33175622
The government held a metaphorical gun to the head of those people and forced them to pay money to (many times) the only insurer in their locale, which then resulted in the insurance companies jacking up their prices ridiculously high because people were being forced to pay for the health care regardless.

It removed the chance of having choices in a free market and pissed everyone the fuck off. You think those people are happy with it? They would have voted Clinton if they were, same with the Rust Belt and Penn.

Now if we could talk about aircraft carriers.

>>33175601
What if you got into a car crash or something that you couldn't foresee? What if the job you're working when you're younger doesn't have a Health Care plan? What if you have a pre-existing condition? Some companies outright refused to cover people with pre-existing conditions, it happened to my brother and he was a National Champion Water polo player, so it's not like he was out of shape or not caring for himself.

>>33173138
my existing healthcare literally doubled because of the ACA... I guess someone has to fund all the poor worthless handout queens getting as good or better healtcare than me because of "land of the free".

I'm glad about your situation anon. You and your nigger family can die of starvation and malaria for all i care.

>>33175666
Yeah, it was not a great plan or execution. But don't you want to help other citizens? What if we did what happens in Europe? We all pay into a system for shared health care? We spend more money then all those other nations on health when adjusted for per person.

>>33174456

Neaty-eat, m8. It still bugs me that I didn't go to see him at a campaign breakfast event in NH while I was there.

>WP
Nice.

>>33173138
>find new job
>pays a bit more
>apparently it pushed me into the next bracket for taxes
>high living cost
>shit to pay off
>obamacare premiums going up every year
>be healthy

I love obamacare, I can just feel all my money going to work!

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>>33175720
I'm no big fan of the guy, but I still respect the President. I couldn't turn down the chance to get paid to go see the president in person on the Ford.

I really wish the Windows phone took off, the interface just looks so much nicer than the alternative. Looks like I'll have to go iphone next upgrade though.

>>33175677
>What if you got into a car crash or something that you couldn't foresee?
That's why you buy car insurance, to insure that if you do get in one, you can pay for the damage.
>What if the job you're working when you're younger doesn't have a Health Care plan?
You evaluate the risk of working there and see if it's worth it, otherwise find another job and or shop for Healthcare on the open market that fits YOUR NEEDS with the risks you might take.
>What if you have a pre-existing condition?
IF YOU FAILED TO GET HEALTHCARE BEFORE YOU DEVELOPED SAID CONDITION, IT'S YOUR OWN FAULT. OTHERWISE NOBODY WOULD GET HEALTHCARE UNTIL THEY ARE INJURED BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY FREE MONEY AT THAT POINT. ARE YOU THIS. FUCKING. DUMB.
>Some companies outright refused to cover people with pre-existing conditions,
BECAUSE HE FAILED TO GET HEALTHCARE BEFORE HIS CONDITION DEVELOPED.
HEALTHCARE COMPANIES ARE GAMBLERS, THEY ARE BETTING ON YOUR ABILITY TO NOT GET HURT. IF YOU'RE ALLREADY HURT, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GAMBLE WITH OUT CHARGING MORE MONEY.
You misunderstand the very fundamental nature of Healthcare, of how society in itself functions.
You have NO RIGHT to other people labour, money, or property. Forcing a healthinsurance company to cover someone that failed to get Healthcare is doing exactly that.
please eliminate yourself from the genepool.

>>33175622
Oh yea, 20 million americans insured, for free, the funding just dropped out of the fucking sky.

>>33175716
>shared
fucking
DROPPED
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my health care will be mine and my family's, that is it. i am not relying on the government to mandate something when they can't even take care of veterans, a much smaller pool of people. if niggers can't afford it, maybe they can get a job or move to one of the countries they feel represents their desires more.

>>33174938
Oh god, I can fucking feel it.

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>>33175771

>I'm no big fan of the guy, but I still respect the President. I couldn't turn down the chance to get paid to go see the president in person on the Ford.
kek, yes, I get that.

And I completely understand your WP feelings. The only company who has been bold enough to design a non-skeumorphic interface instead of the iOS/Android beep-boop crap can't make their product stick. But I'd still try holding on for a Surface Phone if I were you. Lord knows I did.

>>33175716
>don't you want to help other citizens
If I wish to I will, it's not charity if a gun is being held to my head, it's theft.
The untied states used to have the world's best Healthcare industry before government intervention happened, now what has happened (this has been going on for almost a hundred years) is the medical industry has monopolized health-care into the hands of a small select group of individuals, and made sure nobody else can legally do the work they do, and then charge absurd and outrageously inflated prices for long wait times and shit service.
Look at Canada as a prime example, the common filth have to go to the socialized hospitals for long wait times and low quality care (while claiming to be the best) and the rich people all go join sports clubs for actual proper care.
The absolute NUMBER ONE source of corruption in the government comes from entitlements like SS, Medicare, and medicade and goes directly into the pockets of big buisness who abuse ever loving shit out of the taxpayer.

YOU MAY BE GENUINELY INTERESTED IN HELPING THE COMMON MAN, but don't point a gun to my head and take my money and spend it.
You go start a charity and do it yourself.

>>33175027

It's an Arab horse. They've bred them for generations to the point that big suicide bombs grow on top of their backs.

So you make roughly 37k? Sucks to be poor, huh? I bet you even make more than the average /k/ fag.

>>33175877

/k/ at least used to have a reputation for being one of the wealthiest boards.

>>33175382
>Many people got insured after the ACA came into being after not being able to get insured before.
>have a business
>go bankrupt if a certain type of customer freeloads off your business model
>can't accept these people
>get forced to accept them by the government
>both the insurance business and the industry being protected by the insurance, healthcare, are subsequently ruined
>yeap we call ourselves the progressives, we're even college educated

>>33175852
>nokias are indestructible
well there goes that meme.

I still have a faint hope for the surface phone.

>>33175858
tl;dr
Wilson, FDR, LBJ and Neo-cons sold America under the bus to 1800s style Whig party crony capitalism.
Kick them all out.

>>33175948

Neither of the points of damage visible in that image are why I stopped using the phone. As far as I'm concerned, the meme is very much intact.

And yes, I also hold out hope.

>>33175981
I would say it was dropped and landed on the lower right corner, or something was dropped on that corner. That's the only way ive ever seen striations like that.

>>33173138
Fastest I've ever seen a thread derail. Wow.

>>33176013

I believe the impact was on a corner, yes, but I can't be sure. At the time it happened I was lying back on a couch with the phone in my hand dangling over the side behind me, when it slipped out and fell onto tile flooring. In any case, I continued to use it for about another six months. I got a not-insignificant number of compliments on how pretty the fracture pattern was, funny enough.

>>33173138
Get a job.

>>33175051
>12 carriers is the minimum to keep 3-4 deployed at any time.
12 carriers is the minimum to keep 5-6 deployed at any time. It's literally the reason we need 12. Don't make shit up out your ass just to sound like you know something.

>>33175677
>What if the job you're working when you're younger doesn't have a Health Care plan?
All companies with (I think) 50 or more employees have their own health plans.

>>33175195
BESS? DRB?

I don't speak militarese

>>33175195

Well I like both of your optimism and spirit, that's for sure.

>>33176260
Not sure about BESS, but I know DRB is disciplinary review board

>>33175858

That's primarily because the SSA prioritized pay and chase over deny and demand claims payments. Unshackle that pay-first requirement, or bone the payment level if providers don't want to play ball, and it drives scumbags either into the open for prosecution, or out of the industry.

>protip: HHS OIG is doing that to home health providers in certain states now.

Downside to Obama-Trumpcare: both favor high deductible plans, so less money for funs, more to put into HSAs to just sit there to pay my own shit.

>>33175195
Cool we got chiefs in the navy on 4chan... fucking losers lmao

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>>33173260
i lel'd

>>33173260
I've got one of those, it's a pretty good gig. I think the company said they're looking to hire ~3,000 people in the near future.

>>33176260

BESS is basic enlisted submarine school.

DRB as someone said, is disciplinary review board. Basically a bunch of senior NCO's get ahold of you and discuss your actions, and a path to unfuck yourself so that the issue doesn't need to go to a non judicial punishment.

>>33176312
I'm first and foremost a submariner. I'd love to serve with a kid who thinks halo is the next step in real life. I'm sure we'd have fun on the midwatch.

notice how only the navy and air force get money. its almost like they're in the pockets of defense and aerospace companies

>>33176656
Bruh, I've been on 4chan since I was a slicksleeve.

Don't flatter yourself. You're not cool and edgy for hating on Chiefs. I'm just a welfare queen sucking on the teat as much as the rest of you. Don't hate because I can pass an exam written at the eighth grade level.

>>33175105
Yea fuck it let em starve right?

>>33176773

Indeed. Good to have somebody like that to chat with, I'm sure. Hopefully your kind will put us in space.

>>33176777

Until such time as the Army starts RFPing mobile fortresses or something of that nature, airplanes and ships will easily be the most lucrative contracts in the MIC.

>>33176836
I highly doubt the afghans spend 45 dollars a plate
No reason why the clowns can't eat locally grown food

>>33173217
>the government isnt giving me free gib!
>fucking bootlickers!

you have to be 18 to post here

>>33173217
Leach

>>33175657
trumps a big guy

>>33176904
Actually it's worse than that, because of subcontracting, they charge $45 for a case of soda.
Defense spending within the iron triangle is the second highest level of government corruption.

>>33176904
Right because paying the people money who we are against is a great idea. Also you would eat fucking afghani tomatoes fertalized with donkey shit and Ahmed poo. Im sure it wouldnt violate any health code or safety standards.

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>>33173104
>Trump plans to build towns on carriers to support all-girls schools.
>Trump makes anime real
pls.

>>33173247
>racist frogposters
>>>/lgbt/

>>33173316
>And people who are statistically the poorest in the nation voted Repub, many who are now losing their healthcare because the ACA is being brought offline with no replacement.

They didn't want ACA in the first place. Stop worrying about people who don't want your concern.

>>33175772
So in your world, people born with a condition are SOL. Way to fail logic son.

>>33173138
I'm glad you're losing it also

>>33177030
No you moron, that is why it's essential that parents are held responsible for their children. Parents have to evaluate every potential when deciding to bring another human into existence and provide for them until they can be independent. If you look at the time of the founding, even Benjamin Franklin was forcibly married by the state because he was living with a female and they had to ensure that the responsibilities for sexual inclinations would be able to be lawfully enforced.
How stupid, immature, and uneducated are you?
Because you brought up a variable that could very simply be answered by anyone with half an IQ point.
Something you clearly lack.

>>33175195
>>33175195

LMAO.
Sure kiddo. In spaaaaaacccccccce!

Now go chip paint, fucking retard.

Navy tech schools are fucking ruthless.

>>33177411
It's way better than the usual shit they would come bitch about.

I'll take interesting autistics over crybaby bitches ten out of ten times.

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>>33177129
You sound like the most callous psychopath you "got mine, fuck you"piece of entitled shit. God forbid the country that purports to be the exception and the example for others to followed have a functioning healthcare system. We subsidize drugs for the rest of the world. We pay almost twice as much for healthcare as any other developed nation. The private insurers can have their place after all people will want to skip waiting lists and see a doctor at will.

>>33178203
Actually what I am suggesting would demonopolize the Healthcare industry, introduce actual competition, and reduce Healthcare cost.
Now instead of charging $700 to the taxpayer for someone to get a shoddy staple work on a cut in their head, they can go to a local health center and pay $50 for the work.
You didn't address any of the proper points I made, made baseless accusations about me as a person, and even then failed to make even half a point.
You're right, we should be an example to the world. So instead of making entitlement promises we can't keep (SS, Medicare, Medicade and so on) that will literally bury us in debt, all while stuffing the pockets of international businessmen at the taxpayers expense, we should stop this insane monopolization and government collusion that has been in existence for almost 100 years now. You are literally supporting a Whig party policy of crony capitalism and that this "educated elite must protect the filthy masses".
How can you claim ME to be such a psychopath when you want to sell our children down the river?
I am looking for the best interests of the citizens of the United States, and their posterity, you just want benifits benifits benefits.
You want to government to intrude on every aspect of private life, to play mommy and daddy, and cradle to grave every citizen of the United States to either stuff the pockets of corporate cronies; or out of your own ignorance, make yourself feel better by spending everyone else's money.
The comptroller general for the US has been clear and not a single person can disagree with him, entitlement spending will literally CRUSH the United States.
I'll restate it, you didn't even attempt to argue, you just attacked me personally.
Please go either educate or kill yourself.
https://youtu.be/xjmCiDB_72g
And this is a fault of the left AND right. And it needs to be stopped, now.
Go look at how much of the discretionary budget is literally just paying interest. it's almost 20%

There is literally nothing wrong with paying more taxes if its going towards the military.

If you think otherwise you're an unamerican cuck

>>33175794

I have news for you: you're participating in a shared health system whether you like it or not, bub.

>>33173213
Good luck with that without frigates and corvettes

>>33179207
I, like most here just want military spending to be more efficient.
A key way to do this would be to eliminate waste and surplus sell more shit to the public instead of destroying it or introducing bullshit regulation

>>33173104

This will surely reduce the national debt

>>33175382

I'm sure they really appreciate having insurance that costs more per year than the maximum payout of that insurance.

>>33173104
You're really going to force China to make 1200 Dongfengs? You warmongering bastards.

>>33173104

I don't really care about this. 11 vs 12 seems pretty irrelevant in that we're already ahead by so much it doesn't matter that much.

I kinda hoped that Trump would be more isolationist, Ron Paul style.

>>33181142
All those vehicles and choppers and guns being chucked in the ocean to save gooks.
We should sell military gear to the gen pop.

>>33173259
>gps don't real

>>33175222
the USN is the second largest airforce on earth. they oper8 more aircraft than France.

>>33174938
I think your tiger is autistic m8

>>33175051
Kys

We have ten and already went a month with none deployed

>>33179207
>unironically supporting big government
anon, you are the cuck

>>33173247
>using "racist" as an insult
>on a Kazakh yak herding blog
Really nigger?

>>33181510

My point is that the Pentagon isn't about to make serious additional investments in space systems. As it is, there isn't enough money to modernize the nuclear arsenal and grow the fleet.

>>33173104
I would absolutely love to see this happen. But y'all realize he has no budgetary powers to make this happen unless he figures out how to stop congressional republicans to running away from him in terror, right?

>>33184058
It's only a small amount of traitors who are the problem
He gets a super majority in 2018 so those problems will go away
Assuming democrat lawmakers don't just get blackmailed/arrested for their crimes

>>33184058
>unless he figures out how to stop congressional republicans to running away from him in terror, right?
then maybe he should stop demanding soviet-tier retarded military expenditures

>>33184277
>Assuming democrat lawmakers don't just get blackmailed/arrested for their crimes
>magical thinking
typical single digit IQ Trump supporter

>>33184308
Don't be surprised when the purge starts
all of them are criminals

Yuuuge waste of money

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>>33173199
>>33173247
>>33173316
And this is where your wrong, at best it was pretty much even, if not swayed towards Clinton at the lower income levels. Make fun of Appalachia as much as you want, for every one of them, there are just as many inner city folk that vote democrat for welfare.

>>33184534
Source?

>>33184636
2016 election exit polls

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?_r=0

>>33184058

Of course. But the White House can submit its own budget proposal to Congress.

>>33184534
>welfare
>militarist welfare

same shit nigga. the welfare-warfare state is well established.

>>33186358
While increased funding for defense should be relatively low hanging fruit for such a proposal, it's always the other stuff in the budget proposal that will sink it, if the last decade of budget fights bear at all.

The at-risk republican seats and the democrats will sink any proposals which include funding for the wall, increased funding for ICE, or reduced funding for the EPA, family planning orgs or other Interior prerogatives. Trump is pretty locked in politically to kill family planning (the only reason the religious right voted for him), the wall (one of his main campaign promises) and defund the EPA (one of the main reasons he got so much corporate and labor support from the energy sector).

Without the cuts, he'll have to significantly increase overall discretionary expenditures (well down during Obama's terms as the GWOT wound down among other things), which will sit well with exactly none of his constituents, or the republicans in congress.

I think this first budget will make or break him as a consensus builder in congress if the Russia stuff doesn't get to him first.

>>33175162
Spot on. T.Kentuckian (ruaral)

>>33178779
> they can go to a local health center and pay $50 for the work.
If that local health center had to pay millions in liability insurance, had to get all the education/follow regulations, and was forced to treat anyone who walks in the door

They would charge 700 bucks too
Theres a reason why Hospitals are so expensive, and its not massive profit margins

>>33186457
He is going to RAPE the funding of all left wing institutions
There are a lot of them.

I don't think he intends to increase discretionary spending(maybe a little), but instead cut 50+ billion out of non-defense spending

Even in defense spending, I'm sure there is lots better ways to spend money, such as turning most of the army & airforce into reserves

>>33175222
America has the largest AND second largest air force on the planet.

>>33186624
>He is going to RAPE the funding of all left wing institutions
It'll never pass congress. For every "left wing institution", there are several republican congressmen and senators whose districts or states are particularly reliant on them. If he "rapes" them all, he will find all republican good will in congress (each for a different set of reasons, all tied to re-election in some way) dried up, and he needs consensus to pass a budget.

Just a few particular examples:
>defunding any family planning initiatives will alienate all northeast and west coast republicans
>not defunding any family planning initiatives will alienate midwest, southeast and south central republicans, plus Utah
>defunding the EPA will piss off all northeast and west coast republicans
>not defunding the EPA will piss off coal country and oil country, not to mention the rust belt
etc.

Building a successful budget proposition is a tedious, meticulous exercise in horse trading, compromise and consensus building. Trump simply hasn't the patience and his staff hasn't the experience. They may have learned something from the travel order debacle, but they're still a long, long way short of the mark, especially with all his political cache being currently expended in staving off the Russian influence question.

>>33184058
>>33186358
Congress hasn't made a budget since 1986(?), since then they have just passed omni bus bills to resume the government at last year's levels plus x money.
The Executive Branch is the one that has a large influence over budget, but the appropriations committes have the final say.

>>33186594
If you read the whole of my post that's the very point I'm trying to make.
Regulations have completly monopolized the industry.

>>33186457

Yes, a succint presentation of the current state of play.

>>33186996
>If he "rapes" them all, he will find all republican good will in congress (each for a different set of reasons, all tied to re-election in some way) dried up
Except the REPUBLICAN VOTERS who vote for REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES will support this stuff
Guess who reelects REPUBLICAN congressmen

>Building a successful budget proposition is a tedious, meticulous exercise in horse trading, compromise and consensus building.
Or you take a bulldozer to it because you have a solid voting majority behind you 100%

>>33187142

>Or you take a bulldozer to it because you have a solid voting majority behind you 100%
Well I guess that rules out Trump and the GOP.

>>33187142
>Except the REPUBLICAN VOTERS who vote for REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES will support this stuff
You pretend that all republican voters support exactly the same platform. That is far from the truth, just as with the democratic party. You can roughly shake out republicans into a few major categories plus the innumerable smaller groups which are too vast to mention, and each different category having very distinct views on many different issues (though the people within them often overlap several categories):
>Constitutional republicans
>Reagan republicans
>The Religious right
>Fiscal conservatives
>the recent additions of the Tea Party and Alt-Right
etc.

Many republicans are so only for the stated aim of culling back government in general and lowering taxes.

A great many could give a shit about reproductive rights curtailment, ditto family planning pruning. Many actively support family planning initiatives, for instance. Ditto environmental issues. Ditto anti-trust legislation and market/corporate involvement.

The three main issues which about 80% of Republicans hold in common are the support of the Second Amendment, conservative fiscal policy and adequate funding of the military. Beyond that it's a crap shoot. And this doesn't even take into account all the centrist folks who might, for instance, be conservative in fiscal, firearms and military policy but liberal in social policy (such as myself).

>Or you take a bulldozer to it because you have a solid voting majority behind you 100%
You need to pay attention to social studies class, junior. There is NO point in American history when a broad consensus like you suggest existed within one party for so many significant budgetary changes. Not even Roosevelt in 1940 could have gleefully shat on so many different voting blocks and expected Congress to pass it. Trump, with his current issues, doesn't even muster the political capital to do half the shit you give him the power to execute.

>>33187013
Is that so? Was the 2015 budget just an omnibus? I had understood differently.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/5/senate-clears-way-final-passage-congress-budget/

Not trolling, just trying to be clear.

>Or you take a bulldozer to it because you have a solid voting majority behind you 100%
You should take a moment and look at just how many years in which the GOP or the DNC have had both the house and senate yet failed to pass a budget.

>>33188481
>>Or you take a bulldozer to it because you have a solid voting majority behind you 100%
>You should take a moment and look at just how many years in which the GOP or the DNC have had both the house and senate yet failed to pass a budget.
meant for >>33187142
forgot to quote

>>33188414

>conservative fiscal policy

That's a complete joke. The Republicans have total control of the federal government right now, yet they refused to pass a balanced budget. Republicans like to spend just as much as the democrats do. They has want to spend the money on different things.

>>33181496
HMMWV's had been prevented from being surplussed for years until very recently - even then it appears some variants will not be surplussed. Obviously more needs to be surplussed out - like the old M68 CompM2's which were swapped out for the new M68 CompM4's.
There shouldn't be a bullshit dissassembly process to surplus out 5.56 and 7.62 and .50.
Waste is a huge problem with the .mil. Esp. with anything SINCGAR's - when the radios can be modified and sold for 1000x profit with no freq hop/encryption capability to the HAM community

>>33188523
I didn't say it was an accurate reason, only that it was a stated reason for a great many republicans who may be less than informed about the fiscal particulars of Reagan's, both Bush's and now seemingly Trump's performance in office.

Most seem utterly gobsmacked when I point out that the two presidents since 1980 who most reduced discretionary spending were Clinton and Obama. Obviously the questionable economy of taking the "Peace Dividend" in the 90's and the winding down of the GWOT had much to do with these trends, but there it is none the less.

No, they vote republican because republicans have been so effective for so long in their message that they and they alone are the fiscal conservatives. Neither side particularly wants it known that increases and decreases in discretionary spending largely revolve around large geopolitical events like war, large international macroeconomic events and trends and of course geopolitical shifts. Nor that discretionary spending trends downward year by year as a percentage of total budgetary outlay, in spite of increasing as a whole amount year on year. It's the non-discretionary spending which is really kicking us in the balls, and there's little chance of untangling all those vipers any time soon.

>>33188481
yep, currently the Congress has yet to pass an actual budget, mainly because most of their budget is on autopilot.
the discretionary budget is like 1 trillion a year? and 30% of that is going directly into entitlement spending, 20% goes to paying direct interest on our loans to pay entitlements, and so they only have to deliberate on about 40% of the discretionary budget.( yes I know that's not 100% I'm working with loose numbers) if I had my notes from my constitution class I could tell you. But currently the biggest form of govt corruption is entitlement spending.
it's called "Congress on auto pilot" and it's the fault of both the GOP and DNC. DNC for creating the environment for over 50 years, and then the GOP for their shitty "contract with America" and extending medicare part D.
watch this video
>>33178779
To see just how fucking bad it is.

>>33189247
we are currently on projection for trillion dollar deficits.
Just pointing that out.
Both sides are caught up in promises they cannot keep, mainly entitlements.
Eventually the $200 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities is going to just be ignored because it literally cannot be paid.

>>33188481
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuing_resolution
Is what it's called.
It's not actually a budget.

>>33186996
>implying any of that matters when the majority of GOP voters are white, and will vote GOP regardless

Culture wars have split the two parties along racial lines, making issues of policy moot.

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Does the US really need another carrier?
Like, what difference does one carrier make when you already have 11 others?
Couldn't that money be better invested in other aspects of American society like science, technology, education, healthcare, infrastructure, welfare or pay some of the debt?
And if it does have to be spent on the military, couldn't the cost of the carrier be better spent on other things like vehicles or RND?

>>33190098
>spend more money on Healthcare
Stop this fucking madness. The government cannot continue paying for Healthcare.
Current unfunded liabilities are more than $200 trillion dollars (conservative estimates).
More than 70% of government spenidngis spent on entitlement programs.
We will, be, crushed by trying to pay Healthcare cost.
literally bankruptcy.

>>33190138
The problem is that almost all entitlement spending in the US is on the elderly.

Elderly people don't work.

If we spent the amount of money we spend putting old people in golf courses on putting young people in college, we'd be a much richer country within a generation.

Incidentally, the government should stop making student loans and college spending tax deductible, and just start paying outright for good students to study profitable subjects.

Oh, and eliminate the tax dedications for mortgage payments and employer provided healthcare, both of those are regressive taxes.

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>>33175450
Coal is dying no matter what politics are enacted. It's an obsolete technology. Further coal mining is literally just welfare by another name,

>>33190179
lol
If you put all these people into college they would all promptly turn into stupid bernie supporters and the country would die

The non-white burden on the US is immense, Trump is going to need a super majority to fix this country up.

>>33190237
Non-whites don't vote though.

If you want to get to the root of the cancer, you're looking at AARP members who do nothing but vote themselves more benefits and everyone else less everything.

But yeah, the US needs to be smarter about college education.

Right now everyone gets subsidized student loans, regardless of how profitable their degree is.

What needs to happen is that the government outright freerides good students to college for profitable degrees, and everyone else gets zero government support whatsoever with their education.

Ideally, we could get to an economy like Germany where people get a trade education instead of a shitty communications degree, and the people who do get college educations actually benefit from them.

>>33173104
>using current estimates, not projected costs after kneecapping the flagrant exploitative nature of an inelastic market

Its amazing how the US somehow can't give people health care, but cuck countries with a fraction of the GPD can.

>>33190319
Mostly because the US pays for their defense, allowing their budget to be spent on other things.

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>>33190237
The catch is that it was said those people would go to "profitable" colleges (STEM). Speaking from personal experience, the bernie people you're talking about - those lazy, stupid liberals - are simply uncapable of even being admitted into a STEM field, let alone bachelor in such fields. Only dedicated people make it through STEM and similar fields. The bernie people get some third hand degree like woman's studies.

>>33190319
Remember, if America doesn't do it, it doesn't get done.

If it doesn't get done, everybody gets fucked.

There, I just explained the defense industry for you.

>>33190179
You'd need a massive overhaul of the US college system for that to be practical.

Right now American colleges have unsustainably inflating costs, and the whole government subsidized loans are a huge part of that. College loans are guaranteed by the government, so no matter what, a school gets paid. That leaves no incentive at all for schools to keep costs down, because they'll always get their money. And just having the government take on all those costs would only make it worse, because now the general population doesn't see the inflating costs and there still is no incentive for schools to keep costs down.

There's also the issue of the cheapening of degrees. Sure, it's a nice sentiment to want everyone to be able to go to college, but the current cultural ideal that one has to go to college has led to a cheapening of degrees. Outside of fields that absolutely need it like engineering, a college degree has become the highschool diploma. Worse, the trend's already going further - there's plenty of degrees where it's now impossible to find a job unless you've gone to grad school as well.

>>33190179
No. No. No. No.
No more entitlement spending, period.
No free college, no unnegotiated Healthcare.
none of that shit.
The only way to solve this corrupt Whig style crony capitalism is radical reform.
Cut it all.
All of it.

>>33190345
Well, it's simple.

>remember those tax exemptions for tuition
>fuck you
>remember those guaranteed student loans
>we issuing those any more

And then the government simply directly pays the tuition of the top performing students in fields that it thinks will pay good money in 4 years.

I maintain that this would resolve credentialization, economic inequality, and tumblr within a generation of full implementation.

>>33190383
No. Not everyone should go to college.
You're essentially turning colleges into adult baby sitting facilities and turning this country more cradle than grave, rather than vise versa. You did nothing but shift the corruption to the US college education system(Which is allready horribly corrupt) from the Healthcare system.

>>33190375
This is the mentality that leads to politicians using inefficient workarounds and harming the economy as a whole

>health care is expensive
>I know, we'll make health care tax deductible
>if it's a tax credit, it isn't technically government spending, it just does the exact same thing
>the government ends up paying huge sums to subsidize the health care of hedge fund managers making six figures, and nothing on preventative care to keep poor people from shitting up the ER

>tuition is expensive
>I know, we'll offer guaranteed loans and tax deductions
>it isn't technically government spending
>end result is that the market gets flooded with gender studies majors and genuinely talented students with no moni get shafted to pay for it

I could go on.

>>33190414
That's what I'm saying.

My goal is to reduce the number of people attending college in the US dramatically by eliminating government assistance to anyone except for the most profitable students.

>>33190343
yes, because we should totally let Europe get a free ride.

>>33190426
don't try talking sense to them, 90% of them don't follow politics outside of gun issues enough to make a salient point. the guy is describing the government as "whig"

>>33190467
As far as I can tell, letting Europe get a free ride is the only real option.

They aren't going to pony up the money, and they aren't going to defend themselves.

Last time we let the Europeans control their own affairs we ended up with Nazis controlling nearly everything between the English Channel and the Urals.

>>33190290
>Non-whites don't vote though.
Blacks vote at a higher rate than whites, though that might just be rampant voter fraud or illegal GOTV programs

College is just another example of an institutionalized crony capitalistic system, which accepts millions of foreign students while actively excluding white Americans

Then again, you really don't NEED a college education for the vast majority of jobs.

>>33190549
>Blacks vote at a higher rate than whites

I'm going to need sauce for this.

>>33190467
>yes, because we should totally let Europe get a free ride
Honestly, yes. America being the de-facto military of the West means that we get to impose our foreign policy on them. It effectively guarantees that we have another one of the largest economies in the world (the EU) on our side.

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>>33173319
Small government means don't tell me how to live my life faggot. The military is actually the federal government's responsibility.

>>33190644
Then again there was a higher turnout because the dark messiah was up for election. Everywhere before and in between they didnt.

>>33190549
>rampant voter fraud
Has anyone actually produced any real proof on this yet? I've yet to see anything conclusive on this, which is a big headscratcher, considering how closely monitored the elections generally are, and how many recounts of all sorts we've had in the last 17 years.

>>33190644
king nigger was up in '08 and '12

>>33190990
I love how shit like "king nigger" seems normal and obama seemed to just brush that shit off, but lil' donnie cries about tiny hand jokes.

Gets the ol' biological electrical signal conduits firing.

>>33178203
You lack the most basic understanding of liberty.

Used to be, that when Americans saw a problem, whether it was a local family facing hardships, or an entire community or even region, individuals and families would band together to help them out, of their own free will.

There's still a lot of that left; Americans donate more (even per capita!) than just about anyone else.

Unfortunately, these days, lobbying to get the government to forcibly take money from one set of people, launder it through several layers of bureaucracy (and giving members of the "ruling class" lots of easy money along the way), and then giving what's left, often in just about the most inefficient, ineffective way possible, to those who need it, is increasingly deemed to be the only "virtuous" solution.

Heck with that. It is my right (and, for Christians, religious duty) to give to the needy myself, not to demand that the government take money from everybody else.

Also: I want to buy insurance. Insurance is like gambling; the house wins most of the time, but you still gamble, in this case, because "winning" the gamble can be catastrophic. But, normal healthcare? I'll pay for that myself, thankyouverymuch, and probably pay a lot less without the need to pay DC bureaucrats in the process.

Now, let's get back to CVNs. Has nobody looked at the real issue? In order to reach 12 CVNs, we have to start building them at 4-year intervals or less, or else somehow make them last longer in service. How feasible is that right now?

>>33181856
Anon, that's because we went far too long with too many deployed, and their maintenance got farther and farther behind.

>>33191415
>Used to be, that when Americans saw a problem, whether it was a local family facing hardships, or an entire community or even region, individuals and families would band together to help them out, of their own free will.
While I don't argue that entitlement programs have expanded to unmanageable levels, I think you are very, very selective in your remembering of American history. Consider the Reconstruction South post Civil War. Or the wreckage of the Great Depression, from whence the bones of many of our current entitlement programs spring.

Going back to the Trumpster dream of zero entitlement programs, labor laws or EPA regulations puts us all back into the working conditions and harsh realities of 1910 (when, I would point out, more people were devoutly religious than today). Charity work certainly didn't take the slack up then, nor would it today. Having balanced, responsible policy in place for a social safety net is essential to keeping the work force healthy and resilient to market and social unrest. What we have now is certainly too much, but without them entirely the US would never have been ready for WWII, or seen such rapid economic and scientific advancement from 1945-65.

Every time someone makes the argument for zero social safety net programs, they undermine a reasoned discussion about what a happy medium would look like.

>It is my right (and, for Christians, religious duty) to give to the needy myself, not to demand that the government take money from everybody else.
So donate. Donate as much as you like. It's already tax deductible. That's the entire reason it's tax deductible. This is helps your argument in no way.

CONT

>>33191415
>>33192273

>But, normal healthcare? I'll pay for that myself, thankyouverymuch, and probably pay a lot less without the need to pay DC bureaucrats in the process.
The entire point, which you miss as a young, seemingly invulnerable person, is that under the old system once you got old or got diagnosed with a serious chronic condition, then lost your insurance for any reason (like getting insurance through your job and then getting laid off, for instance), you were completely screwed. You either had to pay ten or twenty times the premium you did before or you couldn't get insurance at all. Once you lose your health insurance, even periodic preventative check-ups become a serious financial burden, meaning further issues aren't caught early enough to be dealt with cheaply. Which means the treatment costs much, much more. Iterum ad infinitum. That's just one of the many, many necessary and successful parts of the ACA. People who have insurance get preventative care, making the overall care much cheaper. More people having health insurance reduces non-payment in hospital bills (which gets passed on to the rest of us).

National health care, unfortunately, is a system where the ill, elderly and infirm are subsidized to some extent by the healthy. Either we pay the much higher costs of unpaid bills (larger because no preventative care) being passed on to the rest of us in higher costs, or we work to get as many people insured as possible, get everyone as much preventative care as possible, and ensure that everyone CAN be insured regardless of condition. We're all paying for it either way. It's much better if people can be induced to actually enact best practices.

When the Republicans unveil their super secret Obamacare replacement, you can bet your ass they'll be calling it a fancy name, but it'll look a whole lot like what Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts, which was an early model for what became the ACA.

>>33192273
>>33192280
GTFO with your rational argument and logic

we're busy repeating talking points about shit we don't really understand in here

>universal healthcare
>everything that poses remotely poses a health cost gets taxed to shit or heavily regulated

Guns included. I like my cheap cigs and alcohol, and lax gun laws.