WW2

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>>33135794
>The Soviet Union was the reason for Hitler's rise to power and the war itself.

>>33135833
>good guys rise
>bad guy is created
Woah it almost seems like Hitler was just an evil man out to destroy the radically different and superior communist system because he was a selfish asshole.

>>33135840
>superior
Oh Christ here we go

>>33135794
> The USA takes too much credit for WW2 prove me wrong.

sadly it's true, but it' snot the reason to give all the credit to the USSR neither, theer was more than just britain, USA and USSR against the nazi in europe and people forgot about them ( like canada )

>>33135840
maybe if hitler didn't decided to invade USSR and try to fuck with the US who were neutral all along, he would have conquered europe and africa without much of a problem

>>33135841
Yes very superior where the workers own the means of production. And no it's not about taxing people and redistributing it's about workers collectively owning the means of production and sharing the fruits of it betwixt each other. And before you mention Stalin or Mao being bad I hope you know most of the "death tolls" are from revisionists who make things up. Yes communism did exist and every time it was either corrupted or destroyed by bourgeoisie or imperialism. A good example of communism would be the early USSR or the Spanish anarchists (though I don't agree with anarchists). But aside from that it's stupid to dismiss the importance and superiority of the Soviet Union in WW2.
>inb4 /pol/tards rave about muh Hitler
>inb4 lolberts and Ameriboos

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>>33135865

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>>33135865
Thanks anon I needed a laugh

>>33135854
Bro, we were totally not neutral. FDR was spoiling for war from the get go, and his political maneuvering, sanctions, lend-lease, and adversarial attitude towards both Germany and Japan basically guaranteed war.

Then there's the little matter of him knowing about Pearl Harbor in advance (Carriers and escorts left Pearl Harbor the night before the attack with orders to go to full military readiness and attack any Jap forces on sight.. yeah. totally neutral.)

The USA was not neutral, FDR forced us into war, and we should have stayed the fuck out of everything.

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>>33135840
>good guys

WEW

>>33135865
>betwixt

Fag

>>33135794
It doesn't mention the fact that without the US' capitalist engine driving lend lease, Russia would be speaking German right now.

Because it can't debunk it.

So, like all communists, it is a coward, and just doesn't mention it

>>33135865
>thinking workers actually own anything in communism
>inb4 Orwell

>>33135794
The USSR would have struggled without American logistical support, hell even the UK was providing them with tanks and planes during the crucial 1941 period. The Germans would probably still have failed but Soviet counter-attack would have taken years longer (and possibly stalled outright until nukes) without Western support.

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>>33135875
>believing the holodomor

>>33135886
No need to cite Orwell only Marx.

>>33135794
Also calling the UK England is fucking retarded. Either the UK (to cover Scotland, Wales and NI) or more correctly the British Empire (Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, India, Australia...). But then why expect accuracy from blatant propaganda?

>>33135884
I highly doubt that the US was superior due to capitalism. It was due to it being industrialized where the USSR used to Feudal back in Russian empire times.

>>33135900
Because knuckle draggers like you reply, little Eugene.

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>>33135897

your trolling is weak

>657,000 deserters
The truth just makes them look worse. Or Italian.

>>33135946
>unironically being a fascist
End your life please before the proletariat does it for you

>>33135794
well to be fair the US supplied alot of resources to the Ussr. and who says that it was not the plan to let both parties bleed out? Also reseach Operation Unthinkible ;)

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>>33135955

i'm literally shaking

>>33135794
take your shitty bait to >>>/his/

The Soviets would have a hard time beating back the Nazi without all those free tanks and planes we shipped to them.

>>33135794
>LEND LEASE IS MYTH
>JAPAN IS FICTITIOUS COUNTRY

>>33135865
I will never understand why people think it's fun to pretend to be retarded in front of strangers on the internet. For the life of me I cannot fathom why people enjoy this, much less do it on a repeated basis.

>>33135989
Nothing's free commie ;^)

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>>33135794

>>33136134
You retarded mate? I'm a fucking Marxist why would I go to /pol/.

you are not wrong but I still do not like communism
I hate left-liberalism more though, which is the current world order of course

>>33135794
>USA and England

stopped reading

>>33136146
So what part of that allows you to post off topic garbage here? This is the GUNS AND KNIVES board not the HISTORY AND WARFARE board
You have literally two fucking choices
>>>/pol/
>>>/his/
And we are NEITHER.

Fuck off.

>>33135794
You know there's a history board right?

>>33135875

>Holodomor

It`s not even funny anymore. Terrible fuckshitery of our commie government caused famine in Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan etc. Thousand of soviet citizens died. Shit was so bad, that every Russian knows and remembers phrases live "гoлoдaющий Пoвoлжья/Starving from Volga".

Ukraine is a fucking 21st century nigger who claims to be the only and the most opressed victim

>>33135854
>who were neutral all along
no they were not. the US was on french and brits side. even before they entered ww2 they supported germanies opponents with arms

>>33136186
>not warfare board
what?

>>33135794
The USSR did play the larger role than they are given credit for. But if you look at the way they treated POWs and even their own troops you can see why they don't celebrate WW2. Those were dark times for every country and many bad decision were made. The USSR really didn't give two shits about their troops or civie population so no one wishes to celebrate them.

>>33135794
TOTAL German losses during WWII were 6,9-7,4 million.
So OPs pic is bullshit.

>>33135794
Lies:
Soviet Union was the enemy of Nazi Germany
Facts:
Soviet Union joined the unprovoked attack on Poland and occupied large parts of Poland, they also killed a lot of Poles.

Lies:
The great losses of lifes during WW2 by the Soviet Union shows their participation in fighting Nazi Germany
Facts:
A large number of deaths was caused through incompetence and mismanagement by the Soviet Union.


etc

>>33136423
>they don't celebrate WW2
They celebrate the "great patriotic war" which conviently leaves out the occupation of Poland and attack on Finland.

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>>33136453
OP's pic is unclear, but not horseshit. It just counted POWs in the number of losses.

>>33136423
>you can see why they (ex Soviets) don't celebrate WW2
>mfw

the fuck mate, the victory over Germany is as celebrated in Russia as the 4th of July in the USA, it's literally their greatest pride. Ever seen the 9th of May parades? And, as someone who went to live there, I stopped counting victory ribbons, WW2 references in pop culture, military memorials and stuff like flag-on-the-Reichstag and T-34 stickers on cars a long time ago.

>>33135794
There are actually people who think the USA contributed more to Hitler's fall than the USSR? I'll give America this; they must have the second most efficient propaganda on earth. Second only to the DPRK, and probably China taking a very close third.

>>33136630
Nah mate, US propaganda beats NK and China put together. OK, these countries have efficient propaganda, but it works only on their territory. Meanwhile, US stuff gets spread like peanut butter and jelly all over the world. I'd say that the only thing that ever came close was Communist propaganda in the 30s and 40s in the Western world, and in the 50s to 70s in Asia.

>>33135794
>The Soviet Union was the most important country within the allies and is the reason for their success. The USA takes too much credit for WW2 prove me wrong.
Wow what an edgy and unheard of opinion! So brave.
Here, take my upvote and shove it up your 15 year old ass.

>>33135794
Oh look, communist propaganda.

>>33136146
> im a fucking Marxist

I think >>>/lgbt/ is the hugbox youre looking for

>>33136630
>I'll give America this; they must have the second most efficient propaganda on earth. Second only to the DPRK, and probably China taking a very close third.
The British Empire had the most efficient propaganda though granted 'had' is in the past. They even managed to spin the collapse of the Empire as 'giving it away'.

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>>33135840

>communism
>superior to anything

You wanna know how I know you're an idiot?

>>33135794
>Only some of them were executed
>1 million isn't millions
lel

>>33135794
>Out of 635.000 deserters, only 0.5% were executed by the military tribunal.
But dont ask for the ones dying in gulags or prison camps, those were not executed, also dont ask about ones killed without a tribunal or send on a never come back mission.

>>33135794
>America stays completely out of the war
>Soviets fight against a larger German army who didn't have to go save the Italians or deal with western Europe, with less troops because of the possibility of the Japs opening up a second front.
>Still have decent success, but end up best-case fighting to a stalemate because they lack the food, raw material, and logistical equipment to fuel their free-for-all rapefest across the plains of eastern Europe.

Anyone who thinks that the Soviets could've won without help is a fucking moron.

>>33136186
It's a sad day when military history and warfare are banned from fucking /k/

>>33135794
>11.3 billion dollars in aid through the lend lease act
>America took too much credit

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>>33135897
>believing the holocaust
I can do this too

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>>33135794
Man OP this is a really interesting picture I ought to-

>No citation

Oh never mind it's just propaganda

>>33135794
KYS commie kike faggot

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>>33136146
>I'm a fucking Marxist
May I suggest you a rope and a stool ? Or do you prefer my oven ?

Fucking kike

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Lies: The Soviet Union was incapable of managing its resources effectively

Facts: The Soviet Union was so advanced that millions of their population starved before the war even started

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>>33135794

Poor people can't do war! Get over it!

>Nikita Khrushchev, having served as a military commissar and intermediary between Stalin and his generals during the war, addressed directly the significance of Lend-lease aid in his memoirs:

>I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin’s views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were “discussing freely” among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany’s pressure, and we would have lost the war. No one ever discussed this subject officially, and I don’t think Stalin left any written evidence of his opinion, but I will state here that several times in conversations with me he noted that these were the actual circumstances. He never made a special point of holding a conversation on the subject, but when we were engaged in some kind of relaxed conversation, going over international questions of the past and present, and when we would return to the subject of the path we had traveled during the war, that is what he said. When I listened to his remarks, I was fully in agreement with him, and today I am even more so.[30]

>In a confidential interview with the wartime correspondent Konstantin Simonov, the famous Soviet Marshal G.K. Zhukov is quoted as saying:

>Today [1963] some say the Allies didn’t really help us… But listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war.[31]

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>>33135865
Oh Christ that's good. Anybody have the tankie version of the wheraboo denial gif?

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>>33135794
The Soviets relied on the Americans to lend-lease them equipment, keep the Japanese occupied on the pacific front, and divert 20-25% of Germany's forces (as well as the Italians) to the western front.

>>33135841
You didn't see where it was going just from the OP?

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>>33135794
>>33139432
And then you also have to take into account all the strategic bombing and blockading that America did, thus depriving the Germans and Japanese of vital resources.

>>33135946
Man, Patton was fucked in the head.

>>33139496

Its almost like the military brainwashes you to become an imperialistic nationalist with socialist tendencies.

I mean, the military worships the flag, has bread lines, and fights in questionable wars without question.

It's a nice ignorant you have there, anon. It'd be a shame if some truth happened to it.

>>33139595
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>33135794
>650,000 deserters
Yeah they all went to the fucking Gulag.

>>33135840
>Communism
>Superior
Gee, I wonder where the all-powerful Soviet Union is today? Or East Germany? I can't seem to find them on the map...
>>33135865
You lost the Cold War. Get over it.

>>33136186
>History and Warfare
Have been posted on this board since its inception. This is either really weak trolling, or you're going full retard.
>>33136146
Because commie scum are not welcome here.

>>33139649

What was >>33139496 talking about?

I was making a comment about Patton's mental state.

Brainwashing DOES exist.

Look at what schools did ton white people. The governments publoc education and Jewish media gave whites an undeserved guilt complex towards minorities, causing them to ultimately get off on minorities having sex with this wife while covering up black on white crime. No white american has ever owned black slaves! And white people are to this day a minority on this planet and they always have been!!

I'm not saying its a race war and it certainly doesn't appear to be black peoples fault, but damn it this is fucked up. Goddamn Jews and their dual citizenship.

Guess its time to find a negro bull with a ten inch dick to make up for forcing my underpaid wife to deal with my sexist discrimination and my constant forcing of my white body and micropenis on her.

At least she will have legal custody of my children, property, and most my wages before I go die in a war for Israel.

God bless America.

>>33139649 why do you always take this to a racial level, anon?

>>33139767
Have you been drinking?

>>33135794
>was nearly 350 million people
Why are they counting people who are not with the germans?

For christ sake they are counting resistance fighters who fought against the germans into germanys population.

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>>33135865
>Yes communism did exist and every time it was either corrupted or destroyed by bourgeoisie or imperialism.
>A good example of communism would be the early USSR
You mean like the Kronstadt sailors who realized just how full of shit the Bolsheviks were and were ruthlessly crushed for it?

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>>33135865
Russian Commies are a bunch of cucks who were rightfully BTFO by the Finns

>>33139816

Have you been being a holier-than-thou little bitch on an eastern cartoon forum?

>>33135865
>like the early Soviet Union

Hahaha, communists are so fucking delusional. Yes, everything was perfect for about 5 seconds after the Revolution until the realities of socialism caught up with it and turned everything to shit. And if I go into the boxing ring with Mike Tyson and last for 5 seconds it proves that that was a good idea because for five whole seconds I was conscious.

Retard.

>>33140036
No, I'm saying that you're not making any sense and that you're either drunk or you have mental retardation.

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Yes. Russia did a lot of the fighting.

The American Lend Lease covered the USSR's ass when they had to move their production to the Urals. It was a joint effort of the Allies to keep Russia afloat. To say Russia single handedly beat the Germans is false.

>>33140113
That webm, i am crying.

>>33140101

>on 4chan
>calling people retarded

Thank you captain obvious, sure is some good sportsmanship you have there what with a stocked pond for you to point the finger at.

Check your privilege and document your own mental state.

Nobody tells you autism is contagious and can be contracted via the internet but I'll be the one guy good enough to give you a heads up

>>33135794
>Cossacks
>Nazi collaborationists
Never has anything in the history of the world been more wrong. The only thing Ukrainian cossacks hated almost as much as the Red Army (justifiably) were the Nazis.

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>>33135865
>it's the stereotypical "communism has never been tried" man

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>When you try to off the 1% but end up offing 50% instead

>>33135899
Real communism was never tried.

>>33140291
>>33140398

Even in communist nations there were rich people living in mansion with servants.

Even in America there were bread lines and gasoline rationing.

Ironically I'd bet in ultra capitalism, the "what's yours is mine" mentality is even more prevalent because mental illness, retardation, cowardice, etc are so common simply being very pushy and assertive guarantees you'll be rich.

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>>33136146
you can go to hell like every other commie

>>33140499
>real communism can be achieved, even though every time it's been tried millions of people die and the country eventually starts to become more capitalist.
>but real capitalism can't exist because I said so

Amazing

Every Wehrmact and Waffen SS memoir mention the same thing
>shitty soviet leadership
>shitty Soviet treatment of their own
>shitty Soviet treatment of civilians
>Soviet atrocities on Enemy POW/WIA
>mass rape
>mass looting
>mass murder
>lots of artillery
>lots of bodies in the fight
>how easy it is to now them down by the droves

>>33140700
>The point of view of the enemy is a reliable and objective source of information
I don't doubt that the Soviets were fucked in the eastern front, but come on dudette.

>>33135794
Over 90% of the Soviet's rail stock was made in the U.S., and around 50% of the rolled steel and other metals was made in the U.S. Many other logistical concerns were answered by the U.S.

The US has been the enemy of white civilization
There has never been an anti-white group or communist group that hasn't received aid from the USA

And now the USA is a 50% white country

We still celebrate the death of western civilization in WW2 as the greatest time of the last 100 years

Fucking disgusting

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>>33135865
Leave. Now.

>>33135955
I am the proletariat, fuckwit.

>>33144263
What if I told you that your capitalism was the same thing but instead the means of production were privatized?

>>33139496
And of course you were next to him, saw everything he saw, heard everything he heard, to have such an opinion.

He wrote a book about it.

Fun fact : other allied generals agreed with him.

Other fun fact : he was accused of being an antisemite then the brake of his jeep broke and he died. Oops.

tl;dr : eat more bluepills you libshit.

>>33144276
That doesn't preclude you from being a fascist

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>>33136675

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>>33135840
>Stalin wuz a gud boi
>dindu nuffin

>>33135874
>Then there's the little matter of him knowing about Pearl Harbor in advance (Carriers and escorts left Pearl Harbor the night before the attack with orders to go to full military readiness and attack any Jap forces on sight.. yeah. totally neutral.)
Myth.

They had lest days prior, the whole pacific fleet had been given a war warning because of the breakdown of diplomacycling with Japan and intercepted cables, but no one thought it was going to be Pearl, every one expected the attack to fall first in the Phillipines.

Losing the carriers at Pearl would not have altered the course of the war in any material way.

>>33139953
epic screencap.

>>33135865
fuck off tankie scum
tankies betray revolutions

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>>33144392
Exactly, now get up against the fucking wall.

>>33144298
I'd tell you that you're exactly right and that's what makes the difference between the two systems.

>>33144475
The carriers all had orders from months prior to the attack. One was on the east coast undergoing maintenance, one was undergoing modernization, one was delivering planes to Wake and the other was en route to pearl.

>>33136146
>marxist
get the fuck out commie scum

>>33139333
this
the USSR did provide bodies, and many of their soldiers fought valiantly
but the US and Britain, protected the sea, provided materiel and a good many bodies too

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>>33135865
whoah...so this is the power of a communist

>>33145072
What are you a Trot or something? How the fuck did Stalin ruin the revolution if anything he continued it. The 4th Internationale was fucking stupid. Also if you're an anrchokiddie I get it it's cool to be against the man but before you cite Ukraine Free Territory hope you know it really wasn't all that perfect and supported peasants more than the working class. Read Marx and Hegel not Bakunin faggot.

>>33140291
But it has been tried like the Paris Commune for example but it was crushed. Stalin to me is a vanguard of the revolution and pushed it forward and industrialized his nation. He did what he had to do and you need strong people to beat international bourgeoisie capitalism. This is where I disagree with Ancoms because I don't believe the revolution will be achieved with petty squabbles and tiny communes but instead by strong shows of force and power.
>inb4 Holodomor

>>33135840
One thing is liking the Red Army

A whole different thing is liking communism

>>33149316
kinda similar to liking the wehrmacht, but not national socialism.

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>>33135840
>Superior
Yeah, that's why literally everyone near the Soviet Union hated the Soviet Union and had major anticommunist movements.

>>33135794
>The Soviet Union was the most important country within the allies and is the reason for their success
do you mean overall or in more specific terms.
if you were fighting on the east front, then yeah, but even then a lancer might be worried more by the bombing of his homeland and family than what was happening to him personally.

>>33139953
But the soviets won