/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

>>33126214
Hah I wonder how much dick she was getting while he was away

>>33126214
>good decisions...
>a fukkin boot.
when he is getting rodded off the range because he caught the clap from that hooker, he will regret spending all of that money.

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>>33126214
>>33126236
>>33126239
What kind of girl will not cheat on me while I'm deployed?

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Somebody please tell me what to expect at 31B OSUT in Fort Leonard Wood. I am a college graduate enlisting into the Army to be a CID Agent.

I was a Marine OCS non graduate in 2011 (injury), so I've experienced some relatively intense 'training', even though I am hesitant to call it that.

Also, what do you guys suppose the odds are the Army does bring back the WWII dress? The survey showed support of 70-80% and Dan Dailey apparently has a hard on for them.

>>33126633
An average-below average looking loyal homebody that you browse the internet with.

>>33126633

One that's convinced you're a good enough man to follow around through your military career. Don't bother with the one you have to drag around, the ones you meet off post, or the one who moved out with you impulsively. If you're just doing your four and getting out, do your four and get out. You can pick up a serious relationship again later.

>>33126708
My mother was to my father, but alas my father blew it by fucking around and being an otherwise drunk asshole. So usually somebody ruins it in military relationships.

>>33126683
>browse the internet with.
No
Nerdy chicks are sluts too, you need a boring one

>>33126633
An extremely ugly one with no options

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What happens if you're late to a formation?

>>33126633
Your right hand.

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>going to college for an English Ed degree
>tell my parents I want to become a warrant officer and fly helos after college
>"NO ANON, WE DONT WANT YOU TO BECOME A LOSER AND GIVE UP YOUR (OUR) DREAMS OF HAVING A WIFE AND KIDS. GET A JOB TEACHING ENGLISH!"
Just went through another screaming match about this last night.

>>33126633
A pregnant one

>>33126633
GF? None. Women have no sense of loyalty, it is not in their nature.

Wife, maybe. Just make sure shes pregnant and already taking care of a few infant children (yours). Might put her in a position where she's too busy to hoe around. Have your mum check on her and the kids often. R8 my meta?

>>33127015
Tell your parents to fuck off. Unless you are insanely far left the amount of grating bullshit you will have to deal with is indescribable. You will basically be paid to do cultural Marxist indoctrination and maybe teach a little bit of English if you have the time.

All through high school and college I never met an English teacher who actually taught English.

People meme that joining the military i like throwing your life away but you might make a difference in someone's life for the better, unlike English teachers who would be at their best by not teaching anything and not communicating with anyone. The most efficient use of taxpayer dollars is to pay these cretins to sit at home and do nothing. Stick to the Army.

>>33127165
Ahahahahahahahaha, nope. There are women who are normal sluts out there and then there are some really dumb sluts. Even if you were to wife or gf a woman already pregnant with another man's child that's no guarantee if you turn your back. Not if it's yours either.

>>33127184
This
There's a reason we married woman and knocked them up
>pro tip: it wasn't because we love them

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So, I didn't go to college until my mid-twenties (had to work to take care of younger sibling) and I'm just about to graduate. I wanted to be a Navy SWO or Sub Officer (even though a naval battle is unlikely these days, I've always been really fascinated with both historical and modern naval battle tactics and strategy), but apparently I'll be barely too old by the time I graduate.

That being said, I've also always wanted to serve in the Navy since it's something my grandfather and great-grandfather did. I'm thinking about enlisting (even with a degree) for a term to live that part of my dream before entering the civilian workforce again.
Basically, I'm curious to know which enlisted naval ratings would give me the experience as close to being a SWO as possible or at least involved in tactical decision making?
Obviously none of them will really be the same or do the breadth of things a Surface Warfare Officer does and learns, but what would give me a similar job?

I was looking into Operations Specialist since they seem to be kind of CIC generalists that do a bit of radar monitoring, assisting the QM with navigating, tracking potential targets and advising the officer in tactical scenarios. Would this be the rating that would be most like what I'm looking for?
I also looked into Fire Controlman, which seems to be fairly interesting since they get to work on targeting and firing the larger weapons.

Any advice would be very much appreciated

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So how do I into Army Sniper? How hard is it to get a slot at training as a grunt, and what is life like for a sniper after training?

I'm currently a Nasty Girls 11B but I'm going active duty soon. If it helps, I shot Expert on my last two weapon quals.

>>33127282
Landfag here so I am not familiar with Navy OCS, do your own research on that. I just know OCS in general is a lengthy, involved process that can take years whereas you can enlist and be gone in 3 months. You need to decide if that is worth it to you.

>>33127282
You want to enlist in your mid to late 20s?
You'll be doing bitch work along side teenagers who are borderline retarded, and your leadership will assume something is wrong with you due to your age.

Say you go far away from your home town for boot, and your family is kinda poor. How will the be able to come see one graduate from boot.

>>33127356
I'd prefer to be an officer, but I'll be too old, by about 8 months, to enter the career fields that I'm interested in -- SWO or Sub Officer.

So I'm looking into possibly doing an enlistment because I want the experience, the travel and to serve like my family did. And I'm trying to find the closest enlisted USN rating to a SWO, though obviously none will be the same exactly. I'm interested in anything that had a focus on navel tactics, surface or sub warfare and maybe Intel.

Operations Specialist rating seems like a generalist in ship CICs that would be part of the team advising the ship's officers on tactical decisions and tracking other vessels, but I don't know how much of the former they get to do.

Similarly Fire Controlman seems to get to do much or the targeting and firing of the big guns/missles, which would be interesting as well.

I'm essentially just unsure which rating would be closest to what I'm looking for since SWO is out of the question. And no, I don't mind enlisting a bit older than most do. I'm not planning to make the Navy my career since I can't get the officer ratings I am interested in and I'm just doing it for the experience and personal interest/want to serve.

>>33126633
There are never any guarantees, but here are some good signs

>Religious (the more hardcore the better)
>Pretty but not too pretty
>Is opposed to/does not engage in premarital sex
>Does not have an undue fascination with traveling
>Comes from an intact, happy family
>Has wanted kids/family since before marrying age
>More of a homebody and down-to-earth instead of flirty and manipulative

Those are just general indicators; women can fail to meet these and still be loyal. Conversely, a woman might meet all of them and become a super slut. These are just rough correlations with fidelity, the real trick is knowing the woman you are willing to wife. If you two have dated for about 6-months to a year with no huge issues coming up and you have both controlled yourselves before the marriage, it's a good sign that she's got what it takes

With that said, a marriage is a two way street. Here are some things you can do on your end:

>Don't cheat on her
This seems like common sense but military culture will do everything short of encouraging you to cheat on your wife. This is a good way to get your wife to fly into a jealous rage that will cause her to grab the nearest cock she can find. Even if you didn't cheat she might get jealous and cheat "back" without even asking if you did it, so steer well clear of this problem.
>Keep working out/improving yourself so you seem attractive to your wife and other women (it's fucked up but if your wife is worried you might cheat because you're a 10/10 she is a lot more likely to stay loyal and try to please you)
>Make sure you're meeting her physical and emotional needs while you are together (there are a fuckton of books out there about this)
>Set clear boundaries for behavior while you are deployed (no one-on-one contact with the opposite sex of any kind, no social media like Facebook, you both have access to each others' phone/media accounts, etc.)

Good luck faggot. If you can make with a good woman then it's worth it.

>>33127015
You're an adult now. Do what you want.

>>33126214
The funny part is that he had to save 4 to 5 months of salary for this picture.

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>>33126633
The only way to not have your girlfriend cheat on you is to not have a girlfriend

To all you poolees or people considering enlisting, this will be the prime time to enjoy the single life.

If you're already married, knock her up before you go on deployment.

Good luck, have a smug Marine, on me

>>33126957
If you are in good standing, most likely a "counseling" and probably something like show up to PT 30 minutes early for a week or two. Sometimes you might get to write an essay on the importance of being on time in the military. Usually its not the end of the world for a first time or even second offense. But if you do it often, expect to lost pay or possibly even rank if bad enough.

>>33127296
I dont know how army works, but in the Marines it goes like this
>snipers need some guys
>infantrymen who have expert range scores, 1st class PFT/CFT
>no legal record
>screener is physical slayfest
>they pick the best volunteers to join sniper platoon as marksmen
>After 2 years or 1 combat deployment they can be sent to sniper school to become real snipers.

Give or take, this is the vague approximation of how it happens.

>>33127406
Might be out of luck on that one. But in the grand scheme, boot camp is a very small portion of a military career.

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>>33126633
The ugliest bitch in the battalion.

>>33126633
2D or nothing, bros. I fucked many an army wife at the pouf haus without knowing who they were, only to see them on a sergeants arm later.

DON'T FUCKING GET MARRIED!

your unit is your family until you get out. if you intend to career it, I don't know what to tell you, except get a goddamn pre-nup and DNA test those kids.

>>33127858
Seriously, DNA Test them chitlins. Buddy spent 3 years caring for jody's kid.

What do Warrant Officers do, everytime I see it, I get lost on their use?

>>33127951
More specialized than a commissioned officer without having to be an office manager and deal with officer politics

>>33127950
Why are there so many enlisted stepfathers? My unit is peppered with them.

>>33127951
Subject matter experts.

They are for fields that require a lot of knowledge for a specific, generally technical thing. They get higher pay like commissioned officers, but unlike commissioned officers they are not intended to be in a leadership role.

They are in all kinds of weirdo niche jobs, but the most obvious are army helicopter pilots. They are technical experts and are "worth more" than enlisted, but they aren't in a leader's role.

>>33127526
>>Does not have an undue fascination with traveling
This anon knows what's up
If a girl says she wants to travel or study abroad in Europe or something that means she wants tons of dick in faraway places that no one back home will know the slutty things she's done

>>33128103
>"worth more"
Why the quotes my E-7 friend?

>>33128097
Think about it, its the only employer in america who will immiediatly double your paycheck for getting married, and increase the pay incrimentally with each kid that gets shit out.

>>33127951
Basically more pay and a higher rank to keep certain jobs inside the military.

Example, CID Agents can be like E-5, E-6, etc. but they can apply to be 311A. Same exact job but higher rank and more pay. A CID Agent could leave the military and join federal law enforcement and make a lot more than being enlisted so it's basically for career advancement.

>>33128151

> increase the pay incrimentally with each kid that gets shit out.

Military pay doesn't change at all per-kid and never has. It's either with dependents or without. You + Wife + 5 kids is the same pay as you + wife.

>>33128202

>join federal law enforcement and make a lot more than being enlisted

You vastly overestimate how much federal law enforcement makes.

>>33128287
High side of the GS scale with LEAP and it's pretty good money.

>>33128103
What are other examples aside from helo pilots?

>>33128340
>>33128202

I need to come up with a good HIIT workout.

However, I get recurring shin splints so I can't run right now.

I've thought about doing burpees sets with the Tabata protocol or something like that.
Could I get some tips? I need to improve my cardio as much as possible as quickly as possible.

>>33128287
Sister's friend in the FBI is pushing 90k with only 7 or 8 years in. You won't make that enlisted.

>>33126633
>What kind of girl will not cheat on me while I'm deployed?

A fleshlight. Young humans are made to fuck like methedrined rabbits. Forget serious relationships until much later in life. That advice applies to civilians too. Get out there and live life before making the sacrifice of an LTR.

Even LTR and marriage between smart, stable and dedicated people is tough.

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Will the Army pay for PRK surgery?

>>33126681
>Also, what do you guys suppose the odds are the Army does bring back the WWII dress? The survey showed support of 70-80% and Dan Dailey apparently has a hard on for them.

It will happen if it happens. Cosplay is sometimes below weapons systems and the Army ain't rich because sequestering and Budget Control Act and (all services) total lack of finance discipline.

Care about important shit. Fascination with ceremonial shit is rather motarded. Get fascinated with winning wars.

>>33128390
>Will the Army pay for PRK surgery

http://www.army-portal.com/benefits/eye-surgery.html

Learn to Google. It's very useful for your career.

>>33128359
Stretch your shins every day and run through the shin splints, they'll go away

>t. person who also gets bad shin splints

>>33128413
Thank you, I will learn how to Google.

>>33128416
Yeah I know but it really affects my performance anyway and I need an alternative.

>>33128377
Yeah, otherwise you will just end up playing the depressing "this time for sure!" Spiral of failed relationships.

You will get a steady girl, things will go GREAT for 8 to 9 months, then you will deploy and make all sorts of sweet little promises to eachother about how you arent going to let it break you up. Then 3 months later you will be using your 30 minutes on the phone to just bitch at eachother and realize you fucking hate this bitch now and shes probably cheating on you anyways.

You will break up, swear never again, then 2 months after you get back home start the same bullshit cycle up with a different girl and delude yourself all over again.

Just get used to hanging out with your buddies when youre lonley and go to parties and fuck thirsty sloots when youre horny. As long as you use a condom or force feed her a plan b the day after it will save you from literally YEARS of misery.

Being single in the infantry was some of the most wild and fun years of my life. Most of the most miserable periods were when I was self deluded enough to think an exclusive relationship would make it better.

To any Airmen, how big of a deal is an LOC?
My supervision fucked up and lost a paper I was supposed to bring to FTAC, and I didn't print out my LES. From what I've heard they hand out LOCs like candy at FTAC on this base, so I'm expecting to get one. Will this affect my EPR? Hurt my chances of BTZ?

>>33128325

Most service members don't have the credentials to start very high on the GS scale. Have fun working your way up from a 9.

>>33128325

Depending on where you live, enlisted will pull about that. 90k in the VA/DC area is garbage.

>>33128492
this thread makes me sad :(
just thinking about the 8 past girlfriends that all cheated on me
any anons reading please listen to this man

>>33127015

Why would they not want you to fly helicopters? Thats cool as fuck.

>tfw you hit things off with a nice girl two months before you ship

I take it the best advice is to end it before I leave and try not to get overly attached?

>>33126633
A dog.

>>33128850
kek

>>33128802
Yes, pump and dump

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Redpill me on Marine Embassy Guard, and how do I join. Is it way better than Air Force Security Force

>>33126633
a girl(male)

>>33128905
from what I've heard being a literally anything is better than security forces

>>33126214
When's your girl's porn tape come out homes?

>>33127847
>the look when getting the anal

>>33128905
Nobody likes those faggots. They do a cushy job for 3 years then get dumped on a infantry unit. Because they dont do anything except go to schools and shit they look better on paper, but in real life have zero expierience with actually being an infantryman.

They show up to a unit and replace some guy as squad leader who had to actually fight in wars and do his actual job as an infantryman. Because he was busy being deployed he doesnt have any schools or special training done so to command dumbass MSG or security/FAST asshole LOOKS better.

Because hes only livrd in garrison and doesnt actually posess real leadership capability the guy from MSG or FAST overcompensates by over-enforcing stupid garrison shit nobody in an infantry unit actually cares about and blaming his failures in the field on his subordinates.

Then one day he realizes that even though he has the famcy billet title nobody fucking listens to him and the old salt dog he replaced is who is still really running the squad.

Everybody hates him, nobody goes drinking with him on weekends, and he EASes mutting to himself about how hes better than everyone else because he knows how to set up dress blues better than anyone else.

If you are going to do security forces, FAST, or MSG do it as a lat-move AFTER atleast 1 deployment as regular infantry. Those guys are great cuz they combine real expierience with the schools and training of the fancy infantry billets and tend to be good leaders and well regarded.

Think the difference between born rich or self made man. The kids who go to MSG and FAST straight from SOI are fucking cunts, the ones who earn some real respect and knowledge before going are usually pretty decent.

>>33129108
No one has ever gone straight from SOI to MSG. There's a reason you are required to have 18 months time on station before going. It's because they don't want a bunch irresponsible dumbfucks. They are tossing out TOS waivers like candy now though because they need people, but that's still not straight out of SOI.

>>33127015
flying helos is a good skill and you can be working for police, search and rescue, fireman. All sorts with more pay than an english teacher. Just give them a run down on how much you have to spend to become a helo pilot, and you will be getting that training for free in the military. but i would not suggest you to enter military, that is your decision

>>33129199
Youre right, for some reason I lumped them in with the FAST and security forces guys.

>>33129237
The waivers though are ridiculous. They had a few PFCs in the class that just went through.

>>33128905
>redpill me on MSG

How about you ask a damn question and I'll answer it.

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Considering a transition from the USMC to the National Guard. I'm going to take a good amount of time post-EAS to decide if I join the Guard or not. Even if it's a yes, I'm taking time off from the military.

If I end up doing it, how much training would an 03 have to go through to complete the 11X pipeline? Additionally, if anyone had experience with drill/deployments as a Nasty Girl 11B, that'd be great.

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For those unlucky enough to have to work with enlisted chicks, what is some advice to not ending up with charges or other difficulties thrown your way?

I know to keep interactions with them as sparse as possible,

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>Air Force lifer, enlisted corps 20+ years
>surrounded by Army, USMC, Navy and former Army, USMC, Navy with 10 years or less
>Air Force guy knows the least relevant knowledge of anyone

Honest question, Air Force. I know your pilots are hard working pilot Gods. But what in the flying fuck do your enlisted personnel do for 20 years that makes them completely fucking useless at everything besides stilted small talk and creeping everyone out?

>>33126681
FUCK YEAH, BRING EM BACK, AND OD GREENS

and what >>33128402 said, win some fuckin wars already

>>33128273
Wrong. Your BAH scales between 0 kids- 3 kids. After three it caps out

>>33129496


>20 years

vs.

>10 years or less

That has nothing to do with the branch, and everything to do with the fact that senior enlisted lose their technical aptitude as they age out of the operational force.

Retirees in every branch are just as out-of-touch with anything that isn't middle management and bureaucracy.

>>33129543

No it doesn't. There's only two columns in the BAH chart, with and without dependents.

>>33129496
Are you talking about nutnfancy?

>>33129584
Not enlisted. He's an O-5, they are supposed to be in their own magical rainbow world.

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>>33126963
>Not using your left hand for masturbation

>>33126214
He should've just been engaged, fuck the bitch hard and oftern before deployment, then keep her on a leash while she's on deployment. She'll cheat anyway, but at least he'll have a nice lay and he can dump her ass without having to pay for the divorce. Gotta play chess with people who play checkers

>>33127858
>DON'T FUCKING GET MARRIED!
These are words of wisdom.

>>33129730
Funny how many divorcees are forced to stay in for 20 years because they are busy paying alimony/child support and therefore can't switch careers.

Makes alot of 20+ year SNCOs lives start to make sense when you realize they are genuinely stuck.

>>33129673
>>33129730

Seems pretty easy until you realize the military is literally going to double your take-home pay to tie the knot, and your quality of life goes through the roof.

Not hard to see why so many dudes do it.

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If you aint infantry, you aint shit.

>>33129765
But jumping at marriage means you make less money in the long term

>>33129793

DESU for most people it means they make more money in the long run, even with a divorce. It only makes bad sense long-term if you get saddled with payments. Most military divorces happen pretty early before there's kids or alimony considerations.

>>33129773
This.

FUCK POGS

>>33129567
Yes. It does. You get more money if you have 2 kids than 1. Your cola doesn't scale though

>>33129765
I have seen 7 out of 10 military marriages fail. Looks to be the average for the Navy.

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What is the military's policy on privately owned funs? Specifically the Army.

>>33129950

That's not how it works, anon. It's obvious you aren't in the military if you don't know that basic fact, but a Google search can clarify for you.

Top result:
http://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/site/faqbah.cfm

>22. Does family size make a difference?

>No. Although BAH distinguishes between with-dependent and without-dependent, the with-dependent compensation is based on comparable civilians using average family size.

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Does anyone here have experience as a 19K or Armor Officer?

I'm thinking about enlisting in the Army if I can get 19K as I've always been fascinated by and loved tanks, tank warfare and tactics. I've also considered finished my degree and trying to get a slot as an Armor Officer, but I'm not sure if I'd rather enlist and then use the GI bill to pay for the rest of my tuition or just get my degree and go officer.

For more information, I'm 28 (I know, kind of old for enlisting) and have about half (two years) of my degree program completed -- I'm majoring in electrical engineering, for what that is worth. I would like to be an officer for a while, but enlisting also seems nice, despite my age, since it would help cover the price of my university degree and avoid having as many student loans. I'm in pretty decent shape, I make the time to exercise a few times a week and while I might not quite be boot camp ready, I feel pretty confident I could get there in a short while. I've also heard that enlisting with some credits can allow me to enter at a higher rank, can anyone confirm that for me?

Otherwise, I'm just looking for any other opinions, suggestions or information that anyone that has been in the Armor branch can provide. I've also considered 13F and 35M since they seem interesting and fun in their own ways. So any Army guys that have experience with any of these MOS, feel free to chime in with positive or negative feedback on my idea.

>>33126633
none, just cheat on them too

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>>33130826
cant keep then in your base housing, you gotta keep them with security/base armory. it sucks balls and I left all my personal funs with my family several states away. that rule is the worst thing about living on base desu

>>33130826
If you're married or otherwise of rank to live in housing, you can keep them there.

If you're single and live in the barracks, you are supposed to keep them in the armory. A lot of people with guns either leave them with family back home or keep them at the house of a married soldier they trust- reason being that keeping guns at the armory sucks. It's a pain in the ass to pull them out because you need to get ahold of the armorer, and because there are a lot of horror stories about little accessories on privately owned guns going missing when kept in an armorer.

>>33129108
Are you thinking of FAST?

MSG requires time in fleet before going MSG , and is open to all MOSes, not just Infantry.

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Any highspeeds lurking? I know I know this is 4chin of all places

Armyfag here and will be ETSing in a week or so, I gotta say now that I'm about to leave somewhere along the line I completely changed from when I first started, meaning I stopped the hooah hooah motivation due to how dead my surroundings became and didn't feel attached to anyone I worked with at my unit since we had different interests

I'm not worried about continuing life outside mili and slowly trying to go back to working out and feeling "alive" or "pumped" when I first went to basic.

I'm signal and I found myself alone plenty of times whenever I wanted to go the gym or go for a ruckmarch or do anything highspeed according to my peers

How does MARSOC measure up?

>>33130999
>>33131011
Well shit, that does indeed sound like a pain in the ass. Thanks for the answers, guess I'll go and leave my guns with my brother several states away before I enlist.

>>33129773
>carrying 240 and m4
Sucks to suck.

Anyone in here ever made Lcpl out of USMC bootcamp?

How hard was it?

>>33131077
>>33131077
The Signal feels.

Bruh, i know them feels so much.

>>33131077
Join a club, find a hobby you like and find people that like that hobby. Also, reconnect with old friends, you'd be surprised how easy it is.

>>33131077

I'm also due to get out in a few months but my experience has been almost the exact opposite.

I never thought I would fit in when I joined the Army, but I found some awesome friends here. I've got great opportunities awaiting on the outside, but I'm definitely going to miss the uniform.


"High speed" is what you make of it, bruh. It's all about doing whatever you do as well as you can do it, regardless of what that is.

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>>33126214
>GOOD Decisions Edition
>posts pic of a muhreen

Look at you go, just contradicting yourself left and right.

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So I asked this in another thread but never got a really concise answer.

How fucked up in the head can I have been and still get in, if I have a clean bill of health now? Being an EMT has made me see some shit that I'm never going to unsee and I've had some... interesting mental problems for a while. Nothing I haven't gotten over, but ultimately it's gonna be on the record somewhere.

I could go to a psych and get a clean bill of health now, though. Is that good enough?

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Should I join the Navy after college? I'm at a maritime academy right now working on my license as a Merchant Marine officer. I really want to do a tour in the Navy or Coast Guard and go through OCS, but I'm not sure if I should give up 4-6 years of making really good money (probably $100,000 a year) out of patriotism.

And also I've heard the Navy is the least fun out of all the branches but I'm not sure if that applies if you're an officer. I want to work on a submarine.

Are there a lot of benefits after leaving the service that make it worth missing out on the actual salary?

>>33130917
19A here, Armor Officer.

Years of Infantry leadership in the Army, despite years (a decade+: 2003-2015) of lessons proving that tanks defeat Arab assholes where CoIn fails, has moved to marginalize/remove the tank corps.

The Army ignores Sadr City, Najaf/Kufa, Tal Afar, Ramadi, Mosul, Diwahniyah, Et. Al.

There might be an armor resurgence, there might not be. It's a risky gamble.

McMaster is the best hope we have in the near future for making American Armor relevant again.

If somebody does not sufficiently fund the Armor Corps, then you have missed the "big show". I am sorry.

In the meantime, for inspiration:
http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/AIWFC/COIN/repository/Sadr_City-Armor-Moore(Nov-Dec04).pdf

I may know a dude who laid souls to rest on the above operation. Jeeze- tank commanders were able to fight like GawdDamn Rommel on top of their tanks for a time in Iraqi cities. Ir truly WAS magnificent.

I wish you the best of luck.

>>33129773
1/7, sanging, 2014. You posting that pic cuz you were there with dueces wild or did ya just find this pic on google?


This here is my unit.

>>33131631
Marines are such an effective fighting force because their only goal in life is to make everyone hate life as much as they do.

>>33132110
Thanks for the reply!

Just out of curiosity, assuming tanks somehow see a resurgence, would you suggest going the officer route vs joining as an enlisted tanker? As a tank officer, you had to have worked with lots of enlisted 19K guys -- aside from getting to be a tank commander right away and the higher pay, is there any real advantage to going officer vs working my way up through the enlisted ranks as a tanker?

>>33127406
>>33127806
This. It will be really really hard on your graduation day if your family can't make it. Those months of being crammed in with 60 other dudes; you'll miss the outside world and you'll really miss your family. However, as anon said, it's a tiny portion. It's the start, and it's important, but you'll pretty much forget about it and not care like three months after it's over. As soon as you acclimate back to a more real reality, basic training stories become more annoying than anything

Plan on going Air Force Reserve while in college.

Do reserve security forces ever get deployed?

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/meg/ I cant decide
Marine Infantry, Marine Officer, Army Combat Engineer/FISTER/Infantry, Army Officer,
For Army I would want to go inna special forces (Ranger or Beret)

What do and What can I do to prep?

>>33129835
19D's are cool too ya?

>>33132546
Run till your dick falls off then run some more.

Is it worth it, to join for three years, then go to college and reenlist as officer afterwards or should I skip the three years and enlist after college?

>>33132422
Yes. SF gets deployed pretty frequently. I'm guard and several of my friends in SF have deployed.

Why the fuck would you want to go SF though? If you're not functionally retarded then you'll hate every second of it. Fuck, I went intel and felt like I was surrounded by window lickers.

>>33132652
Officer or Enlisted?

>>33127015
>Why the fuck would you want to fly helicopters and save your comrades lives when you could become a Marxist propagandist who's part of the system that's mentally and economically destroying our youth!

>>33129360
Why the fuck would you want to be an ng 11b. You join the guard for a skate life and decent benefits.

>>33127015
>English teacher

If I had to pick the least employed and least paid of all teaching positions, it's probably this.

>>33131919
Probably not. Sorry but any kind of mental healthy record will follow you everywhere and fuck with you in a myriad of ways, especially the military. They already have enough basket cases to deal with. And if seeing the stuff you saw as an EMT fucked you up that bad you really don't have any business being in the military. They need fresh young minds that they can destroy with the horrors of combat so they go home and kill themselves. Not people who have already seen it and an hero while on deployment.

>>33126214
Question. Im 28, in good shape and bo criminal history. Ive worked my way through college and now im a senior at -2 years to thirty.

Shits gone sideways and between my kid and my job I cant finish school. My job dropped us all to part time to axe insurance for employees. Ive been turning over the idea of joining the military. I took the ASVAB for the Army and scored a 97 on it. My question is if I enlist would it be a disadvantage being about a decade older than everyone? Im not taking about what people think. More along the lines of physically and career wise

>>33132943
I should add, no one (at least that I know of) has served. So my contact with the service has been practicality nothing. Mostly just shooting the shit with ex mil guys at the range

I want to go Army because they have a lot more spots for helo mechanic (I want to work for Sikorsky)
But I can't get over the god awful class A's they have now.

I guess I'll just go USMC 0311

What's a day in the life like in the military after basic? Looking to join the Air Force but I cant seem to find a lot of info about what I'll be doing during and after tech school. I know you choose an MOS but is it just like a regular job?

>>33132983

>Picking your branch based off of a uniform you will probably wear a dozen times total in your career.

You do you, anon.

>>33133011

It depends on your job. A lot of them are basically just 9-5 office jobs in uniform.

Technically you can be told to work weekends, but it usually gets balanced out on the other end by extra time off for no reason.

>>33132943
As long as you're in great shape, your age will actually give you an advantage, provided you're not a dumbass.

But maybe military isn't a good choice since you have a child.
Other than that, it's all a plus.

How long should I train if I want to max the PT test in Army basic? My endurance is shit

>>33133019
I take a lot of pride in what I do.
I plan on being in for a long time. Until I get kicked out or killed.
And aesthetics is a big thing.
If you're going to be a badass, looking the part also helps.
Maybe that's just me though.

I also think the army has a lot more normies.
A bigger shitpool, you know?

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>>33126214
Who else /cuckold/ here?

>>33133019
There's nothing wrong with that though. Every branch has helicopters to work on, most of which have nicer looking uniforms than the retarded shit the Army wears. All other things equal, if you have to wear something that you won't feel proud wearing, just pick something else

>>33133087

All other things aren't equal. The Army has a way more robust rotary wing force and accession mechanism.

>>33133044
I'm married so it's not like I'd have to shake up my 3 yr olds world that much by sending her to live with extended family or something. As long as it's fine regarding career advancement ill make the physical part happen.

I was looking at 35M for my MOS

Does anyone else masturbate to the thought of your spouse getting railed by a guy when your deployed? I mean I enjoy putting my life on the line for her choice.

https://ageofshitlords.com/infiltrating-mommy-wars-facebook-group/

>>33133078
>same outfit
It's pottery

>>33133105
It's a good idea then in my opinion.

And getting a good mos like that helps you get a nice paying job when you come back.
Plus the army will pay for your college.

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Thoughts?

>>33133140
FAKE NEWS

>>33126214
God, do you see how many pay checks he threw on that bed? I stat all my guys down and taught them basic finance and investing.

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>>33132915
I could say that I'm now that kind of person who just doesn't care about horror anymore, but that won't convince them of much, I guess.

Damn. They let trannies into the military but getting nightmares is gonna give me a hard time?

>>33133142
I mean what's the reasoning behind it? Is it because when you come home being abandoned by your state, your wife has cheated on you and has taken half of your shit, and now you only see one way out with the same weapon your government trained you to use? Sad. What a waste of government property desu

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>>33133144
Lance Corporals, am I right?

>>33133184
Not the guy who you were replying to, but in my experience 9 times out of 10 the guys in my unit were fucking just as much as their wives back home.

Im guilty of that as well. I was in germany and me and some buds went out gor ripped and fucked prostitutes on the weekend religiously. Didn't phase me when I got dumped. But who cares, I was 20 years old. I didnt give a fuck about some long lasting relationship at that time in my life

>>33133078
>tfw no gf who sucks off your bull and kisses you with his cum in her mouth

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>>33133258
>Culture promotes promiscuity without consequence, people marry way later than their prime because 'muh cummies', adultery is allowed and a primary cause of divorce
>People wonder why family units collapse at a drop of a hat

Really makes your noggin do a real joggin

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>this thread

>>33126214
Since when do jarheads wear cords?

>>33132943
>Shits gone sideways and between my kid and my job I cant finish school. My job dropped us all to part time to axe insurance for employees.

>Its illegal to deny full time employees insurance and other benefits
>Its completely legal to cut down your employees hours and destroy their standard of living so you can avoid paying for their benefits

>An idiot on 4chan can see how broken the system is immediately
>Thousands of college educated politicians and bureaucrats have had decades to work on fixing the system but only seem to make it worse

Hmm wonder why?

>>33131098
dont come here expecting a serious answer on Marine related things. Let alone MARSOC. Check out places like sofrep and other forums that actually have teamguys with opinions that matter.

I worked with them in a limited capacity. They were good at what they were doing.

>>33132546
If you want to do anything other than infantry or AAVs join the army.

it basically just boils down do that.

>>33133184
it comes from a seriously skewed statistic that includes cold warriors who did 4 years 30 years ago and then off themselves today because of a bad divorce completely unrelated to their "service'. Things like that.

>>33133429
Its the French Fourragere. Hooahs should know what that is too.

How bad is an LOC

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So seeing as how marriage or any sort of relationship as an enlisted is pretty much a no-go, what are my chances if I decide to go for officer to have a happy marriage?

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What can you guys tell me about Air Force Combat Contollers? How tough is the training? Where do they place you instead if you wash out of training? I know in the Army if you wash out of SF selection they throw you into Infantry, but what about AF? SecFo?

>>33133569
you can get married as an enlisted man.

just dont get married to your high school sweetheart because you lost your virginity to her like 99% of the retards in the military do.

>>33133569
pretty much as bad. You'll be gone and that ring goes with you.

>>33133040
oh, I see, thank you

>25 years old
>BA degree
>Growing to hate my field

Strongly considering USCG OCS. Pros/Cons? I really want to do something with avionics(not pilot necessarily) or something in the USCG Specialized Forces

Doubt there're many coasties on /k/

>>33133586
But.... If I marry her she cant leave me!

>>33133586
Well I haven't exactly got anyone lined up and I've always been perma-single with 0 interest shown to me. I guess I'll be right then.

>>33133569
Officers seem to, on average, have hotter wives, so there's that. Probably due to meeting girls in college and/or just making more money.

But that also means that Jody is gonna hit it twice as hard when you deploy.

ADF GapYear worth trying?

>>33126963
>implying your right hand won't move on to better dicks given half a chance.

>>33132781

To be on deck if shit hits the fan on a colossal scale without having to risk being on a ship again.

>>33133572
>What can you guys tell me about Air Force Combat Contollers?

FAA rated air traffic controllers that call in airstrikes and artillery.

>How tough is the training?

Some of the hardest training in AFSOC.

>Where do they place you instead if you wash out of training?

You'll have a list of choices to choose from

>>33133678
If you're going to join don't be a faggot and just enlist. Better off doing your gap year traveling and seeing the world.

t. Enlisting in March after doing uni for 4 years straight out of high school.

>>33133572

Right now I'm on the fence between CCT and Force Recon into MARSOC. As far as I can tell CCTs are the most demanded SOF specialty when someone needs missions done, and they get sent to do literally everything from their own set of missions to doing JTAC stuff while embedded with other SOF elements.

What I've heard is that when and if you fail you go to SecFo, but SecFo actually has it's own SOF elements so you can potentially take a second crack at SOF.

>>33133675
When officer's wives go dependa its waaaaaay worse.

We were in vegas for the marine corps ball and one of our lance's hooked up with this incredibly hot chick at a random bar. Fucked the shit outta her, nobody could figure out why this goddes was interested in his dumb ugly ass.

Turns out it was the battalion XO's wife. She told him he could go out with his buddies and have fun with the guys, and like an idiot he didnt go "since when does my wife care about MY social life? Wtf is this cunt playin at"

He went "Oh wow! Sweet! Thanks honey."

Her husband successfully ditched she deliberatley set her mind on finding the ugliest dumbest lowest ranking marine from her husbands command to play the 3 hole mare for the weekend with.

The lances life was pretty shitty for 6 months after that until the investigators were able to sucessfully prove he had no clue who the chick was when he fucked her.

Battalion XO had a breakdown and got relieved of duty, was just a massive shitshow that fucked with the lives and daily order of 1200 people.


When an enlisted guys wife is a whore he suffers. When an officers wife is a whore everyone under him has to suffer.

>>33127296
I can chime in on this.

When i was active our sniper section was "recruiting" so they just held try outs.

They set some pre-reqs of high PT score (290+), Expert and over a 110 GT Score to get into try outs.

There was then try outs which consisted of stalks, marksmanship, a memory lane and stress test.

Once i was selected i was sent to sniper school and came back to the unit to become attached to our HQ platoon.

It was pretty rad in comparison to some of the other gay shit that people would do, don't get me wrong... there was still gay shit, just less of it.

that is what my unit did, im sure its different for all.

>tldr
>good PT
>shoot good
>show interest in wanting to be a SDM/Sniper
>dont be a faggot

>>33132546

>PT
>PT
>PT
>get a good GT score
>PT
>get 300
>get ranger in contract
>study
>go to basic as 11x
>PT
>graduate
>PT
>Airborne/Ranger
>Die a little inside
>Graduate
>Work towards Ranger Batt.
>PT

What's OCS like and how difficult is it? I'm a college student right now halfway through 5 year bachelors/masters program in university and am considering a stint as an officer.

>>33133833
Man, that's super fucked up. Don't they have adultery laws in the UCMJ precisely because it messes with good order and discipline? I know that stuff was probably written when all military members were male and female adultery was less of a thing due to women staying home all day and being a whore actually being disgraceful, but the culture has shifted so much they may need to rewrite that stuff. If the end goal is having a functional, capable fighting force I fail to see how that does anything but interfere with professionalism and mission effectiveness in the unit. People would screech and moan about poor little civilians being subjected to harsh and unfair standards like "don't fuck other men while away from your husband," but the environment of freedom and prosperity that allows that is only maintainable via a competent fighting force. And are we as a people not allowed to have standards anymore? We have to draw the line somewhere, for Christ's sake.

>>33134028
The UCMJ DOES have adultery laws. But the UCMJ only applies to the service member, not their spouse.

So yes, if jody turns out to be another service member his career is fucked, hes probably doing brig time and getting kicked out.

But SHE pretty much doesnt have anything happen to her. Military law cant touch her, and im not gonna go full MGTOW starus but in most cases civilian courts will grant her a lot of unfair concessions too.

If she divorces him she can sometimes get a portion of his paychecks garnished. In fact, if she leaves him and they had a kid she can move to the opposite side of the country from his duty station and the military automatically grants her 2/3rds of his paychecks for child support. Even if she was unfaithful to him.

Again, stay away from relationships in the military, because it will make you miserable as fuck.

Pro-tip: If you are talking to a girl and she knows rank structure FUCKING RUN. I dont care how hot she is, I dont care how "not like the other girls" she is.

FUCKING RUN BEFORE IT LAYS EGGS INSIDE YOU AND FARMS YOUR DETIERIORATING CORPSE FOR TRICARE TO SUPPORT ITS LARVA.

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>>33134101
>FUCKING RUN BEFORE IT LAYS EGGS INSIDE YOU AND FARMS YOUR DETIERIORATING CORPSE FOR TRICARE TO SUPPORT ITS LARVA.

Quite poetic...

fuck bitches buy guns

>>33127015
Dude fuck your parents
Its your life, are you going to do what you want to do or what others want
At the end of it all, its mostly you and your thoughts, you better hope you did what you wanted and not die with enormous regrets

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>>33126214
Fucking E3 POG

>>33132134
nah google man

I've been out for a couple years but considering rejoining. I've looked at ND, but I'm 28 so almost at the cut off. Anyone got info on NSW corpsman, the type that work at LOGSU ONE and deploy with a team? What's the chances of getting an NEC that will get me where I want to go, especially if I shit on the others during PT?

>>33134241
Huh, well thats my unit, I was out of frame behind the camera guy when he took that photo.

>>33134204
look at those medals! he's a god damn war hero!

>>33134204
He cant be a POG cuz hes got the french forrege, which only the 5th and 6th infantry are allowed to wear.

He is a boot, but not in point of fact, a pog.

>>33134318
are you sure he's a 03? what if he's a POG from Hug and Suck?

>>33134331
Shit, I forgot about hotdog and soda company!

He very well could be, but the green forage (foragey? Forragere? Idk, I dont speak faggy-french) is associated with the two infantry units that fought at bellaue wood in ww1. I have no idea if the supply and admin pogs of the two units are entitled to wear it as well or not.

>>33134285

Check out dive corpsman, not sure how rare those are though.

>>33134318
if your in 5th marines you dont have to be a grunt to get the forrege

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How bad is being stuck in a Humvee/MRAP all day in a mounted patrol/op? I'd expect it to suck because of the heat

>>33134997
You get used to the heat.
Its sucks because your ass goes numb, your legs cramp, and you are sitting in a bullet/RPG/IED magnet.

Dismounted ieds do more damage, but mounted you are a lot more likley to hit them because visibility sucks and its got a much larger footprint than a guy on foot to target IEDs for.

While we were around geresht we had 300 dismounts and 20 MRAPS. We hit 14 IEDs in 3 days with the MRAPS, but despite having foot patrols scattered from hell to breakfast all over the countryside we didnt have a single foot patrol set off an IED.

I always preferred being on foot to being mounted. You gotta do more work but you are more in control.

>>33135176
My buddy on the foot patrol about 4 miles away from our mounted patrol said they could track our progress by the explosions and plumes of smoke on the horizon from all the IEDs we were hitting.

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>>33135185
Do fireworks get you anxious now?

>>33135213
Not really. Thats just faggy attention-whoring. I got sleep issues but thats just from nuerological damage due to blast exposure, I dont have any PTSD issues.

>>33127847
That girl still gets dicked down on deployment.

>>33128468
Anyone?

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Should I have enlisted as an 13F?

Just got back from my first RSP. Not bad, talked to one Sergeant who told me my unit wasn't taking anymore recruits and I was one of the last ones because they were slated to get deployed to Egypt in 2018. Okay, cool. Not a combat deployment but it's something.

But then these 13F guys are all the ones talking about getting to go to Afghanistan or Iraq and actually get a combat deployment and call in some fire.

Should I try to reclass?

>>33135737
Egypt is an overseas duty assignment. I wouldn't ever call it a deployment, especially if you're around guys with a combat deployment.

It's pretty fun. It's probably gayer now about going off post because of ISIS threats, but you used to be able to go out into town and even scuba diving every weekend at South Camp. The city was packed with vacationing European hotties.

North Camp was a bit more bland since you couldn't go off post, but both camps have a large international presence and a lot of bars that are super fun.

You get a lot of free one to hit the gym and do what you want, and you get an orange beret to confuse people out of it (I wore mine on Ft. Bragg and it was amazing to see stuttering airborne NCOs).

Overall a fun experience.

>>33134997
Armored humvees are pure ball suck. But they don't get used in combat theater anymore, and haven't been used for years.

MRAPs are a lot comfier. The A/C in them works great and any decent commo minded guy can hook you up with an internal iPod connection to pump music through your headset. Turret gunners get electric swiveling turrets.

Shit still sucks if pure going 0.5 mph on an RCP, but it could be worse.

>>33135176
Why you no Husky?

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How are the air force girls at JBL? Lots of cuties?

been pondering joining the Aus Army any anons been in/are in?

I'm considering joining the Army (UK) as an Intelligence Linguist, can I pick a language or am I just assigned one?

>>33126239
>>33126633
4chan. getting advice on not getting cucked by virgins because they are scared of girls.

Outstanding.

>>33136714
Pretty sure you already need a good level of fluency in the language first m8


Also Brits, post your BARB scores

89 here

>>33135827
Those were only ever available on one of our missions. Spoiler, it missed an ied and I still blew up.

>>33136819
Git gud

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>>33136006
>that image

>7 investigations
>$6,800,000 tax dollars wasted
>2 years wasted
>zero results

republicunts strike again ;)

>>33136902
i know right, why even bother to hold our politicians accountable.

Liberals deserve the rope.

:^ )

>>33136812
346 barb

Cyborg here eith a college degree. If I mamage to lose the weight how good will navy be for me?
>Math degree
>no job
>no job experience
>want to get away from everything and everyone (family mostly)

I'm 22 btw.

>>33126957

You get fucked up? What do you think happens? If it's a constant issue they'll end up issuing you a counseling statement then Article 15 gets thrown around; but you get your corrective training first.

>>33127296

A "Nastys Girls" lmfao

Sure you are. PT score matters as much as your basic qualification. What's that looking like?

>>33131077

What in the holy fuck are you on about?

>Ruckmarch = Highspeed?

Sounds like you're full of shit or your unit is just absolute trash. Transfers are possible; and what about your re-enlistment chances? Go somewhere you know your chances of going to schools is high. PT score and rank are big things to consider with this "high speed" bullshit.

>>33127015
what the shit flying attack helicopters and blowing shit up is awesome
being a fucking english teacher makes you a fucking loser

your parents are stupid and you are too if you listen to them

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>>33137632
THIS so much

>Being a teacher
https://youtu.be/nhiGNo6yCtw?t=4s
This will be your life, fucking loser faggot

>Being a helicopter pilot
Pic related

PICK ONE

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>Trying to figure out what I want to do and what each branch's SOF offers
>AFSOC seconds you to everybody because everybody needs JTACs and ANGLICO can't fill the role in spite of what the Navy wishes, but I'd always be riding bitch
>SF is cool as fuck, unconventional warfare and FID missions are right up my alley, but they are underfunded as fuck and aren't being seconded to JSOC so they get sidelined, and Big Army fucks them over
>SEALs and DEVGRU don't interest me
>Rangers and CAG don't interest me
>MARSOC is an intriguing idea: FID/UW capability as a Marine contribution to JSOC, basically the JSOC version of SF with a heavier emphasis on DA, but the Marines might not be the right branch for that capability and their UW mission capabilities are not as developed as SF

So it's shoot for AFSOC and ride bitch on missions I like and some that I don't, go SF and have the right mission set with the wrong political situation, or MARSOC which has the right political situation but isn't equipped for the mission.

...why is the military so fucked by bureaucracy?

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>>33135737
Tell me more about 13F. I'm thinking about it. What's the best type of unit? BFist, Stryker, Infantry, etc. ?

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>>33137897
Is MARSOC just another recruitment tool?

>Need to commit 2 years in the underfunded Marines before you can "try-out"

Imagine being an infantry man doing jack shit for 2 years in the Marines, no special schools, combat deployments, nothing.

I'd rather Option 40 and spend my time jumping out of planes and training, only to be raiding some compound 6-months after BCT. Then I could do more special schools and really get into the craft.

Marines seem like just a meme if you ask me..

>>33138101
I hope I'm wrong.

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Is it possible to enlist directly as a 31k, or do you need to enlist as an MP and then maybe become a 31k?

>>33138120
31K is entry level now. But good luck getting a slot for it, is in high demand.

>>33138101
>>33138110

>Is MARSOC just another recruitment tool?

No. The Marines didn't even want MARSOC until Afghanistan happened and not having any JSOC elements left them out of the loop.

What it boils down to is this: the Army isn't going to expand special Forces command in a way that impacts their internal politics where there is more competition against conventional leadership, especially from SF, and the Marines need to offer something that JSOC didn't have internally and needed, which is FID/UW.

>Imagine being an infantry man doing jack shit for 2 years in the Marines

Commonly one starts as a Recon Marine resulting in a shorter MARSOC pipeline and a deployment under Force Recon prior to going into the shortened MARSOC pipeline. Scout Snipers can also do it. The long pipeline is for other MOS's.

Also SF, CCT etc used to also hold to a 2-year prior service standard.

>Option 40

Option 40 is a recruitment tool. It's to get the COD kiddies into either airborne or needs of the Army and maybe net a few Rangers in the process.

>>33138101
>Imagine being an infantry man doing jack shit for 2 years in the Marines, no special schools, combat deployments, nothing.
Your getting paid to work out and play video games. its every NEET's dream, minus the workout out.

>>33133572
CCT now has a harder pipeline than PJs

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What is the cushiest military job that does not require any clearance?

>>33138208

42A

>>33138208
92G, all you do is cook.

Any 68W in the house? What's it like to be combat medic? I don't need any medical expertise beforehand, right? They'll teach everything I need to know at AIT? Any special perks/benefits to being 68W?

>>33138153

Opt. 40 doesn't go needs of the Army, maybe you're thinking 18X.

>>33138153
>...one starts as a Recon Marine.......
BRC is harder than RASP, and therefore people wash out more often and ultimately fall to the needs of USMC. So I would say Recon Contracts are bigger memes than Option 40.

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>>33126214
if anyone expects enlistment to be like OP's image hahahaha you will be sorely disappointed.

>>33126683

My friend's gf cheated on him while he was deployed with some spergs she met on 4chan soooo

>>33138101
Not really. If you fail afterwards they just assign you to be a Marine Infantryman.

Fail being a Navy Seal they make your MOS something retarded, like Boat Bitch 5000.

>>33129773
>>33129835

what six figure job did you guys land after getting out?

oh wait your knuckle dragers, im sorry let me rephrase that.

what security job did you guys get? lmfao

>>33138503
How do you have the audacity to call them knuckle draggers when you yourself lack basic grammar skills

>>33131077
if your near campbell ive been trying to get a group togeather to go shoot at LBL, i should be out there next weekend, ill post a thread the day i go and well ill make sure those of us here know who is /k/ommeraden at the range.

>>33138503
>enlist infantry
>bash pogs
>have fun
>contract ends
>go to college for engineering
>"free"
>establish new career
>get to keep all your experiences
>hit the range with your battle buddies every weekend
>and still bash pogs

Sounds comfy desu

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>>33126633
A 2D one.

>>33134101
this this this this this

i was fortunate enough to snag a college girl with jeebus values. tfw she supported me as i went to school <3

>>33138426
Lol, I was at combat hunter at pendleton. Was up on the alpha shelf watching those poor wretches get drowned in the pool for 8 hours through a spotting scope.

Zero mercy, it wasnt pool PT, it was an 8 hour water boarding session.

100 went in the pool as canidates, about 40 left that way. Looked like absolute fuckin misery.

This was back when they still had that gunny who was killing people in the pool who was in the papers for a while when he got caught.
Guys would get pulled outta the water unconscious, theyd hit em in the stomach till they started coughing, then brutally kick em back in the water.

All that for an MOS that doesnt even deploy anymore? No thanks, regular infantry is good enough for me.

>>33138503
>implying the military teaches you any real skills unless you were med or a pilot.

Do your 3-4 years, do whatever mos you want, get out and use your gibs to pursue an education that will land you a real job.

>>33135802
how mad are you that i can call my time in korea a "deployment" lmfao they were soooo close to giveing us patches when i was there. i laughed and laughed and laughed. oh god im so glad im out now.

>>33127244
>Stick to the resource controlling for politicians

I found the cancer of america

>>33138588
This.

Fucking barnes and noble told me I wasnt qualified to stock shelves, petsmart referred to my time in as a "4 year resume gap." Securitas and Garda have their pick of the litter of staff NCO's and officers because we've been at war so long theres a couple hundred thousand of em lookin for security industry jobs. Pretty much only touch sgt and below enlisted when they scrape bottom of the barrel. Federal jobs got a hiring freeze going right now.

This idea they sell that veteran status equates to a golden ticket for hiring is bullshit. All this "WE HIRE VETS!" Bullshit is just PR. They dont NOT hire vets, they just dont hire them any more than anyone else who applies, then point out the few who got hired incidentally and go "SEE! WE'RE HELPING!"

The college benifits are pretty much the only edge I got out of it. If you think the military will make you more hireable you either need to be in some crazy competitive and difficult to get field like Nuke tech or air traffic controller, stay in long enough to pick up atleast E-6 or E-7, or be an officer.

If you are a poorfag like me and need a way to pay for college the post-9/11 is awesome. But these recruiters singing the "youve got a golden ticket" song from willy wonka are full of shit.

>>33138586
What's Marine Infantry up to now a days?

Is it a pipe dream to enlist and hope to go MARSOC later down the line?

Anything you might say to somebody looking to enlist?

>>33138426

When 2/3 of Army Infantry Officers have a Ranger tab but the enlisted washout rate for the school is fairly high I'd say that the Ranger MOS is kind of meme-y.

>>33138517
would it make you feel better to know i was aviation and you may fly on or get support from aircraft i have worked on? kek

>>33138588
already did m8 and no i wanst the pilot, i was the guy the pilot trusted his life with. i have no desire anymore to be off the ground. ground is good.

>>33138544
unless you already did that, lol good luck.
and i really hope you do man, everyone ive met that was 11b is working a dead end minimum wage job, construction, oil fields, or worse.

if you dont crawl inside a bottle living off of VA gibz youve done something.

>>33138770
This is bait.

>>33138252
>all you do is cook.
Cooking for yourself is fun.
Cooking for hundreds of people, every day is not.

>>33138779

It's both truth and bait. Airborne is "11b + jumping". Rangers seem to be "Airborne + assault", and CAG is "Rangers + assault", which is why that entire career field doesn't interest me.

>>33138711
kek should have went aviation m8, they came to my class and asked for veterans to employ.

like i can litterally call my school and say "whos hiring specifically for vets with mil experience" and get a list of companies who will hire me asap.

POG life is best life i even saved enough money for a serious down payment on a house, bought more guns and ammo, bought a new car, computer, tv, furniture.

lel pog4lyfe.

>>33138586
I wish I could do the pool portion of recon, but not continue after that.

I fucking love swimming. When I did advanced swim qual, 3 out of 35 passed, and I was having fun the whole time. I don't mind swimming miles at a time in uniform, because I can't PT on land anymore. I'd imagine recon would be more difficult, but I'd probably still have fun in the pool.

>>33138711
>Fucking barnes and noble told me I wasnt qualified to stock shelves. what slack assed sand bagger MOS did you have?

>>33138752
I was in when there were still combat deployments going on, and did 2 of em.

I think my unit is special purpose MAGTF which is basically fancy talk for "stand post in iraq and wait for something to happen."

Im not trying to be condescending, but if I had a nickel for every guy who says he wants to do SF before he has any idea what the military even is I wouldnt need to be using the GI bill right now.

Most folks can bareley handle 4 years in the infantry, referring to "oh, I'll just be infantry for a while and try out for marsoc" is basically equivalent to "Oh I'll just finish law school and run for mayor."

>>33138588
>mechanics
>intel
>radio
>basically any mos that fixes expensive things
(sorry motorpool guys you done goofed)

>>33138849
It's a good thing I worked in the aerial motorpool.

>>33138847
> "oh, I'll just be infantry for a while and try out for marsoc" is basically equivalent to "Oh I'll just finish law school and run for mayor."

this, get a decent mos. you can make it after the military, but taking a combat mos and dreaming later to be special farces is a pipe dream. so get a good job, then try out. if you dont make it, youll have something not so horrible to do until you get out or make money on later.

>>33138864
ayyeee what up aviation bro! help me explain to these degenerates that they need to get something other than a ditch digger mos.

>>33138883
I almost fell for that bait. "durr Ima go infatree, den I is gon get sooper stronk an go MARSOC". Then I fell, hit my head, and realized how retarded that is. Also I had a decent recruiter.

>>33138893
Ayy Lmao what up? After realizing the full extent of my own retardation, I started building helicopter engines.

>>33138101
What are you talking about?

Marines are constantly deploying on MEUs and on rotational forces. Since I got out everyone I know who is still in is either in a different country or just getting back from one.

You go to schools in the Marines too. Where are you getting your information? Even cool shit like french commando school and exchanges with RM's and Dutch Marines.

This is how Army SF works as well. You need to be an NCO unless you want to be a ranger.

Meanwhile my friends in the big army arent doing shit. How many Army line battalions are getting "combat" deployments right now? We are about to send a USMC task force back to Helmand and we have guys already in Iraq. Your chances for a "combat" deployment are low either way since you know....there isnt a real war going on.

How's Intel AIT at Huachuca?

>>33138711

>If you think the military will make you more hireable you either need to be in some crazy competitive and difficult to get field like Nuke tech or air traffic controller, stay in long enough to pick up atleast E-6 or E-7, or be an officer.

I work tech and have a clearance, actually put in the time to get my degree and a bunch of certs on the Army's dime. I got out as an E-5 and I literally get a minimum of 2 recruiting cold calls/emails per week for jobs ranging from $70k to $120k/yr.

My field isn't that competitive, I just bothered to get the relevant civilian certifications and a clearance.

>>33139055
I'm interested. Currently going into an MOS w a TS. What certs have you gotten?

>>33139081

I have a fuckton, but the main ones that contract gigs are looking for are CEH, CCNA, and a TS clearance. That qualifies you for the vast majority of cleared tech jobs. SEC+ is a good place to start if you don't want to jump right into those.

>>33138711
It sure worked for me.

>>33138847
>>33138883
>>33138946
What's wrong with just going infantry? I know I'm not cut out for the really high speed shit.

>>33139249
There's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Anyone here a recruiter in the CAF?

Does anyone have experience with lat-moving in the Marines? I wanted to be an 03XX joining up, ended up as an 0811 instead.

I just want to do the job I signed up for.

>>33139249
Absoluteley nothing at all.

I mean infantry quality of life sucks but thats why people consider em tough and rowdy.

Video games, movies, and mostly fictional "tell all" novels have convinced the armchair enlistees that if you werent some kind of space shuttle door gunner with the operationally operating delta ranger seal operators then you must be some kind of pussy. (The fact that they never served a day in the armed forces doesnt seem to stop em from talking shit either).

>>33139460
You want to lat move INTO infantry? Were you hit on the head recently?

Just kidding, if you want to be a grunt talk to your first sergeant about your wish to latmove, if hes a good one he will help you out and get the career planner involved in getting you an SOI application package set up, or atleast tell you what you need to do and accomplish first before its possible.

>>33139460
Usually a reenlistment thing.

>>33139460
Just curious - Why?

>>33139584
Also this, most lat-moves that dont involve reenlisting are due to somebody in his command really liking a guy and doing him a favor.

It aint IMPOSSIBLE, its just not COMMON.

I think I know of 2 guys who did it. My sweeper from afghan got 1st sgt to hook him up with an MSG package, and my other buddy got hooked up by the same 1st sgt with a lat move into EOD.

>>33139667
1st sgts dont hook people up

thats illegal.

They are the instrument of the green weenie and must inflict as much soul rape as possible.

>>33139736
We actually had a good one for a command cycle who genuineley tried to help his marines out with career advancement.

Obviously we had to be punished for being allowed to have a good command for so long with an utter clusterfucked one filled with the typical agressivley retarded narcissists and sadists, but for a full command rotation we actually had a full compliment of good staff and O.

Only made the return to normalacy hurt even worse, but im glad I got to see what a command CAN be while I was in.

What's the best way to study for the AFOQT?

>>33139736

This is my case, as cool as >>33139667
would be.

>>33139581

I could do that. Would it work going straight to a career planner? Our battery doesn't give a fuck about careers and treats anyone not Staff & O as a number. They've ruined lat move/A&S/etc. chances plenty of times in the past, so I'd be willing to take some ass chewings to actually get results.

>>33139599

I hate doing artillery shit and love doing 03 shit (rucking, MOUT towns, small arms ranges). Our battery makes us do shit like that a lot anyways, because:

>"hurr muh provisional infantry"
>"muh jack of all trades"

BUT

That level of expertise and frequency of such training isn't as consistent as it would be in a non-POG unit, and most of our budget obviously goes towards 155 projoes and fuel.

I just want my job to be doing actual Marine shit on frequent deployments.

>>33139554
anything you can say to a guy whose shipping for Marine Basic in june thats probably on the spectrum?
Im going infantry and im looking forward to it, hard life doesnt bug me, i was a really poorfag my entire life. And i want that bond with my buds, but i have trouble connecting to people. is that something i should worry about?

>>33139667
MSG usually only requires an extension, unless you get a ToS waiver.

>>33139880
I have no idea, that all depends on what kind of career-fucke----errr I mean career planner you got.

But, you cant hit nothin if you dont pull the trigger, never find out if ya dont try.

>>33139897
Bootcamp is bullshit, all ya gotta do is not quit. Its mostly just boredome, fuck-fuck games, and getting screamed at for shit you didnt do.

Crucible seemed pretty rough, until I went to SOI and did that shit every day for 2 months.

Just take shit as it comes, believe me, you are going to see people waaaaay more retarded than you are.

You will feel pretty bad then look over and see some quasimodo lookin fucker who needs help to tie his boots wailing like an infant as a DI screams at him for literally shitting himself and you will go "okay, I aint no john basilone, but atleast im not THAT guy!"

>>33127526
>Conversely, a woman might meet all of them and become a super slut.

This. I worked with a guy at USPS after I got out who had dated the same chick for 10 fucking years without any cheating or breaks or anything. They get married when they are 28-29 and IMMEDIATELY she begins having an affair with a guy they teach TKD with and he doesn't find out until a few months into the marriage.

>>33139967
yeah im pretty sure that my child hood prepared me for most of bootcamp.
but i was talkin more about once i get to fleet.
i have trouble interacting with people, will that stop me from making friends? or will pretty much everybody being fucked in the head one way or another make me not unique in that regard?
sorry for sounding like a faggot, id just rather have a good experience in the reens, and not be a lonely faggot for four years or more.

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>>33139967
>You will feel pretty bad then look over and see some quasimodo lookin fucker who needs help to tie his boots wailing like an infant as a DI screams at him for literally shitting himself and you will go "okay, I aint no john basilone, but atleast im not THAT guy!"

>>33134285

Anyone?

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>>33139967
Also people get WAAAAY into religion for some reason, then never go to church again in thier whole lives.

>>33140037
Im not even kidding, recruiters get desperate enough to fill quotas a startling amount of special needs children end up at bootcamp and subsequently wash out.

Not like, a TON of em, but atleast 1 or 2 per training platoon. Not just dumb, but straight up cant tie their own shoes or speak more than 1 syllable at a time retarded.

>>33140044
This.

I'm not even buddhist, but I went because the lady didn't give a fuck if you fell asleep as long as you were quiet.

>>33133625
Coastie here. Worked at a TACLET. There are no Special Forces. Stop pretending they are.

>>33140089
Recruit kinzie
>he had this clomping gait, toes pointen inward, elbows tucked into his ribcage, hands curled into claws
>when put on blast his head would begin whipping back and forth and he would emit a bovine-like bellow that rose in pitch and finished in an ear piercing shriek
>shit himself bi-weekly.
>couldnt even ask to go to the bathroom intelligably
>DI screaming at him for stuttering
>cue bellow/siezure/shriek
>loads shorts so loudly you can hear (and smell) it throughout the squadbay
>one night in his sleep he shrieks "NO DADDY! THATS MY BUTT! NOOOO! OWOWOWOWOW!"
>One day kinzie is gone
>di announces he was special needs and his recruiter is being relieved of duty.
>kinzie is given an icecream cone and a free flight home.

>>33140044
People turn to religion only in times of need.

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>>33140197

>>33138474
So if you fail tryouts for SF, they demote you to shitty MOS(s) in the military?

Looks like I'm really running low on options

>>33140330
I don't know coz I've never been in but everywhere I search including here says that they USED to put you in the 82nd Airborne, because by the time you reach SFAS you're already infantry and airborne qualified. But because of budget cuts and no conventional engagements, they're giving SF washouts an open contract.

Take it with a grain of salt...

>>33140361
and by open contract - I mean:
>the needs of the army

Cooks, truck drivers, etc...

>>33130826
varies from base to base. some bases let you keep firearms in your base housing, some don't.

>>33140387
Yikes.

Obama's budget cut destroyed my dreams of joining the military. Trump restored the dreams and slowly they're getting crushed again.

So I know that the hours for my rating(Navy intelligence) are basically 9-5 and you get weekends off. What the fuck do most enlisted people do during their time off?

>>33140690

The same shit everyone else does in their time off. Chores, errands, hobbies, and sleep.

>>33127184
lel where did your romantic life go wrong?

>>33140726
life aint a disney movie

>>33140361
Guys that had an SF contract would go through OSUT rather than "normal" basic training.

Difference is that in most MOS you go through Basic, and then you go to AIT to learn your actual job. Infantrymen instead go through OSUT which is basically one long training that morphs together basic and their AIT.

Because of that, it's easiest to put SF washouts into infantry because they don't need to be retrained. Also SF contract guys will have done airborne before going to selection- that made them prime candidates to go to an airborne unit. 82nd is a huge unit. Hence the meme of 82nd being composed entirely of SF washouts.

Of course, if infantry is overmanned, that's when the army starts looking to stick people into other jobs even though that means they need to be retrained.

There is (or was) some personal choice latitude for guys who fail out of SF selection/training that accompanies how far they made it. Two guys I know both failed and went EOD out of the SF failure pipeline. They of course met the EOD ASVAB standards and had to pass the EOD entrance exam, but beyond that, they had free pick and got entirely retrained.

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Starting round 3 of my medical waiver tomorrow.

This is becoming farcical.

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If I had my pick of the litter, would the Air Force or Navy be a better branch?

>>33140991
What do you want to get out of your service?

>>33141024
To acquire skills that will translate to well-paying jobs back in civilian life.

I'm not interested in Infantry.

What would the cultural differences between Army SF and MARSOC be? I know that they largely perform the same role for different parts of SOCOM, but I'd like to know if one or the other would be a better fit for me.

>>33141038
What job field?
How much travel do you want?
What quality of life do you want?
Do you have a dependents?
There are a ton of factors that go into picking a branch

>>33141066
>What job field?
Technology, preferably.

>How much travel do you want?
I could have it either way. I'm 22 years old and an only child.

>What quality of life do you want?
I'd prefer a better quality of life, which is why I've opted out of the Marines or the Army.

>Do you have a dependents?
Nope, single.

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Is PSYOPS fun?

>>33141191
>>33141191
>>33141191

NEW

>>33141191
>>33141191
>>33141191


MIGRATE

How hard is the DLAB? Is there a way to study hearing and recognizing inflections?

>>33137897
>AFSOC
>"Riding bitch"
Said not one single person in SOF.

If you think AFSOC attachments are tag alongs whether they're Ranger TACPs or CCTs assigned to Group you need to seriously do some more research.

>SF underfunded/sidelined
Once again, straight wrong. Especially now.

>>33138770
Here's the (You) and the "you're a fucking clueless retard" you were looking for.

MEG is hilarious.

>>33138946
Who are these people wanting to be special forces exactly?

People, especially chicks, cannot differentiate a Green Beret from an Army POG. You won't be impressing anybody. Before I shipped for Marine OCS everybody kept wishing me luck at "boot camp".

Unless it's for a weird sense of self satisfaction or because you really want to kill people, fucking psychos