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So look what came in the mail yesterday. My Valiant Armoury Rhinelander. It took about a 9 1/2 week wait to get it.

Also, sword general.
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>>33091899
Here is a better view of the sheath
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>>33091899
I'm not knowledgeable about swords but I find it to be beautiful OP.
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>>33091899
>>33091912
have you tested it out on any objects yet?
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r8
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>>33091934
Nope have not gotten the chance yet. I'm going to at some point. I used to do a lot of back yard cutting with my Hanwei Katana (ex fucking weab, pic related)

It will probably cut pretty well, it's pretty sharp up at the center of percussion, and the forward Vibration Node is right there as well.

And I forgot to mention, I have a Schrade Bush Sword, (swordchete really) in the mail today. I'll post it when i get it.
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>>33091899
Congrats Anon, I remembered you posting about this in the last sword thread, I hope you like it.

>>33091968
Cold Steel machetes are actually quite underrated. I've done a ton of work with them, including throwing one well over 100 times. No damage.

I hope this thread lasts until tomorrow, I'm finally getting pic related today. I'll be making a review tomorrow, so it'd be nice to shill it here if the thread stays up.
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>>33091899
Thinking about picking up the short xiphos from KOA. Anyone know anything about the devils edge swords, and are they good quality? I want to add a sword to my collection but can't justify a price higher than $200.
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>>33092442
All cold steel machetes I've owned are very tough, but their sharpness is all but dick. They use 1060 or 1055 I believe, doesn't really hold an edge well.
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Any tips on making a sheath?

pic unrelated
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>>33092467
You're in luck, I just so happen to know quite a bit about them. When they were really new, I bought and reviewed their Qama. I'm not going to post my lengthier review, but it came sharp and quite good looking. Their sheaths are nice, and I've heard very good things about that Xiphos. One of the only brands where the blade was fully paper-slicing sharp. The weighting is a little bad and the handle is a little small, but I don't believe either of those cons apply to the Xiphos.

Go for it, Anon. If you want to see one of their products in use, here's one of my cringey bottle cutting sessions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOEVasTxXUg
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>>33092442
Oh nice, it looks really sexy. What brand/maker? What type is it, cant tell is its a XVa, XVII, or a XVIIIb.

And yeah I really like it so far, it's my only European sword, so I really don't have anything to compare it with. And it's also my most expensive single blade, at over twice my Katana and any of my knives.

>>33092480
Yep I really like Cold Steel Machetes, they take some work to get a good convex edge on them, but are durable as hell. I've only managed to ruin one, a 24" Latin Machete. I fell with it on my belt, and bent the tip to handle. It took about a 5 degree set, which was enough to make it twist in my hand while using. And I could not get it straight again do to it's great temper.
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>>33092487
Sorry not a clue really. I know though that to make anything that looks remotely good, it takes a lot of work and practice. If it's a shorter blade, Kydex Sheaths are relatively easy to make, just takes a little research and maybe $100 or so to get the right tools and materials, if you make your own press.

I also know that Sonny at VA, is amazing at it, this sheath is great. Typically getting a sheath of this quality made for a sword is like $300-$600... If I ever get an Albion, I'm not going to bother getting a sheath made, I'm just going to keep it in a Pelican Rifle Case.
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>>33092572
It's a bit newer, Bosworth Longsword by Windlass. I'm concerned over the sharpness but I'll have to see. I can't tell the exact type myself. This is also my most expensive blade, next to the Cold Steel Greatsword that I bought and returned last year.
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>>33092627
Wow, it looks like an Amazing deal, especially considering it is from Windlass. Normally Windlass swords are blunt, but KOA says it's sharp, and I trust their judgment.

And oh boy this just showed up at the door.
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>>33092795
And it is, The Schrade Brush Sword... Unfortunately I don't have time to look at it now, I got to get to my Calc class.
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>>33092808
Nice, post some more pics later.
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>>33091939
jamal/10
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>>33092824
Will do, and it's a really nice day out, when I get home I may just test out the Brush sword on some junk wood I have laying around, maybe test the longsword out on some bottles
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>>33092442
looks like a coldsteel man at arms, have fun with rattling parts
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>>33091899
That is a very pretty sword, anon.
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>>33095023
Thanks
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Figured I would leave this here since. Interestingly my longsword is only an 1 1/2 ounces heavier than my katana, granted my Katana is pretty heavy compared with most average ones, and this longsword is pretty light, at lest for a XIIa.

Obviously this is not to say much, but just point out how much lighter most European swords are per inch over the more slash oriented Japanese tachi
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I'm on the fence about getting an Albion Arms Duke.

It been years since I was last trained, and I still have my two wooden trainer swords but I have a little extra dosh now. I'm debating whether I should get a sword or a pocket revolver.
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>>33096991
Well of course we are going say you should buy at lest one of them, assuming it's financially viable.

Personally I would say the sword, but that's because I'm more into swords than guns.
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>>33093993
Don't be such a baka because you think you know what sword it is. I know about CS and that's why I got this. It came with no loose parts.
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>>33091899
inherited some rando civil war musicians sword, should I keep using it for gardening or CL it to some autist?
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>>33092487
WTF is that from?
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>>33091899
Damn I love me a crisp T4 type of pommel. My XVIIIb-ish Angus Trim has a T5 mushroom pommel, feels nicer in an ungloved hand but doesn't look nearly as good.
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How long did your VA take to get made?
>Place order for VA kriegsschwert, on work order
>Order Windlass gladius off DotD, it's shipping out now and I should get it in a couple days
>Ronin Katana scratch and dent sale is on now, urge to spend another $80+shipping rising because their DH 1045 katanas are nice light cutters
>But also want to save up and build new PC

I know i shouldn't buy it, I still need to figure out a cutting stand/medium that isn't a huge mess to clean up now that I'm living in an apartment and can't get out to cut. But I just want one
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>>33098528
Foam pool noodles are clean and simple for indoor use.
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>>33099754
Yeah that was one of two things I figured would be best, the other being a hanging sheet of single newspapers, which is more of an edge alignment/speed test than anything. I know it's done in JSA with wooden swords
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>>33098528
I think we have talked a few times.

From the time I ordered it to the time I got it was 9 1/2 weeks, but be prepared to wait 12.

Yeah I know the struggle... I've tried to justify buying a Ronin second a few times over the past few days. Luckily my GF has been diligent in convincing me not to, and the one I really wanted (Dojo Pro #18, pic related) is out of stock now... But if they would have put up a Tanto or their Euro #10, I would have had to of gotten it.

I've been bad about spending too, I got a Schrade Bush Sword (see >>33092808) which was $35 and a Cold Steel Chines War Machete ($40) last month. And I'm probably going to buy a s35vn Kershaw Link ($85) in a few days.
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>>33100054
Yeah, the hardest part isn't really the money, it's justifying buying a sword that I can't cut with. I might ignore the Ronin entirely and get a wakizashi or ko-katana in hira zukuri - if there's a decent budget option for this anyways. Small enough to use indoors but not something machete/knife like
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>>33100143
Yeah, if I were at work, and not in the middle of a semester, I would buy it or a DK one. Like $80, for a functional sword, that's crazy, I make more than that on most work days. And for the Dojo Pros at $165, that's not even two days of work.

You do know the #11 #12 and maybe the 10 or 13 are Ko-Katana's right? They are up for sale, but of course at the $165 price point since they are Dojo Pros.

You should really consider the Schrade Priscilla Brush Sword, I'm blown away by mine. With a bit of edge work it could easily cut like a sword. And for $33 (Amazon) you can't really go wrong.

Here are all my sword-machete-big knife things... Except for a handful of machetes I have in a shed in Maine (and one knife)... I wish I could take a better pic, but right now I have family visiting and I'm stuck in the guest room.
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>>33100271
I know there's some dojo pro ko-katana, there's also a wakizashi there too, but since I'd only be doing really light cutting I want a different blade geometry and maybe get something differentially hardened.
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>>33093724
that's a huge gap between the blade and the guard
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>>33092442
it's actually a windlass, and it's one of the few sharp swords that they're exporting
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>>33101481
Yeah it's pretty noticeable. That is one of the areas where the price point does show through, and one of the things that does separate it from brands like Lockwood and Albion.

Non the less, at lest the gap is even on all sides, the guard has no give, and the blade is perfectly lined up with the guard... not ideal, but not as bad as it could be. And at lest with my current finance, I rather have a sheath and some slight flaws like that, rather than pay $300+ more for almost no flaws and no sheath.
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What's the purpose of a longsword?

It doesn't seem sharp enough to cut through flesh easily, and not broad enough where you could use it as a blunt object.

How was it used in Medieval times?
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>>33092516

Your dad must be proud
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>>33101866
Like any other sword you apply sharp part to fleshy part.
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>>33091899
LOL at that gap in the peen.
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What would you guys recommend for a starting collector who wants a cheap (under $300) viking sword? I was looking at kult of Athena but I'm not really sure what to look for since I literally just started.
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>>33101866
Not sure if this is b8 or not but I'll answer honestly.

Euro swords were not dull, that's sort of a popculture steryotype, them being blunt and unwieldy. There is plenty of evidence that they were kept sharp, we can go into if you want, but I'll just link a video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKrUCjkPzFo

First lets talk about Euro swords in general. Mostly they were side arms on the battle field, or carried for self defence/status out side of battle, but this varied by time period, for how common it was

In the age of the Vikings, swords were very rare and expensive, because steel was hard to come by and swords use more steel than Axs. As you look through the Medevial times into the Renaissance, swords became more common, less expensive to make, and in some times and places, were legal reqiurments to own. Also as they got better at making steel, and figured out how to make stronger steel, the blades could be longer.

Now the Arming sword (one handed Euro sword) and a shield, are far more effective than just a longsword. So the Longsword is a by product of armor, where the wearer of the armor no longer needs a shield, so could use both hands on their sword to be more effective. As such, people with armor often carried longswords, even when not wearing armor, and armor is an upper class thing... so the longsword is a status symbol in this way.

Some longswords are not good at cutting at all, generally the later on swords became more and more thrust oriented. But the earlier ones, like my XIIa, are pretty good at cutting.
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>>33101481
Do you even albion bro?
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>>33101866
>What's the purpose of a longsword?

Cutting and stabbing. Pretty much the same thing as any other kind of straight edge sword.
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Got the viking sword from zombie tools, have yet to test it so no reviews so far..
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>>33101928
That's the lighting, there is no gap. But it's not a pretty peen, far from polished, another area, like the guard gap, where the price point shows through. It's high quality, but not Albion quality.

>>33101932
Take a look at the Ronin Katana Euro #9. It's a really good, very durable sword for the $250 mark. Also the Hanwei Tinker 9th century Viking sword looks good, but I have not seen any reviews on that one in particular, the Tinker line is normally pretty good for entry level.
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>>33101937
See >>33101844 and >>33101984 ... This sword is not trying to be Albion Quality, it is $300 cheaper than the average Albion and at lest comes with a sheath. Not to mention I waited less than 3 months, not 9+ months. I chose this over their similarly priced long sword from the Square line because it had the sheath, I wanted a XIIa or XIIIa, and I did not want to wait 9+months.

>>33101965
Way out of that $300 price point. That being said, I really like Zombie Tools, I'm going to have to get the d'Captian one day.
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>>33101891
I don't bring up my sword autism with my family.
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>>33101933
>Some longswords are not good at cutting at all
Eh, you can get some decent cuts even with a Type XVa. It's not as good as dedicated heavy cutters, but plenty good enough to fuck up an unarmored opponent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATtDymVb0P4
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>>33092516
lol dude wtf im subbed to you
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I'm curious, all you swordfags use to sharpen your swords, and I guess machetes too.

I use a 1x30 belt sander for my machetes and such, I've got 220, 600 (or around there), and 1000 grit belts, and a leather stropping belt with green paste... But I'm to afraid to do swords on it because the belt often whips the grinds of my machetes. I'm thinking about getting a Ken Onion work sharp for swords.
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>>33105813

I have a work sharp. I wouldn't recommend it at all. The belt is very slack so it make a very round convex to the blade and will take the point off a blade very easily if you arent careful.

You will need the blade grinding attachmnet as well to do a long blade like a sword. Belt sander is much cheaper.

For anything nice you should be hand sharpening though.
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>>33092480

Agreed, cold steel 1055 and the VG-1 dont hold a edge for shit. My viking sword and san-mai kukrhi need to be resharpened almost everytime I mess around with them on bottles and such, and chip way too easy.

Regard buying both.
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>>33092442
You get it yet?
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>not having a piece of art sword
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>>33107732
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>>33107747
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>>33107765
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>>33107585
If you need to resharpen VG-1 after bottles, either you got one with a massive flaw with the heat treat, or you are doing something wrong while sharpening, like using a pull through sharpener or something. I have a San Mia Recon tanto, and while it does have a slight tendency to micro chip, and idk why they would put VG-1 in a big chopper like the Kukrhi (the O-1 one is far superior) the edge holding is certainly better than that.

As for the Viking sword, first off it's 1060 (not 1055), which is a very common steel for low to even some higher end swords. Cold Steel does not make good swords, but I've never heard of edge retention being a problem, it's always lose hilt construction, or bad balance, or being over weight. Swords have very bad edge retention compared to knives, they are a lot softer for strength...but even still, if it is dulling significantly, even after a few hours of cutting water bottles, either you got too extreme duds, or you are doing something wrong with your sharpening. I would like to see proof of a soft tempered 1060 sword chipping, that is 100% the opposite of what one would expect, especially if it does not hold a edge well, it would much sooner roll or dent.
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>>33107804
alright this is all ive got
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Haha that's a barely passable attempt at a sword you posted there friend. The Katana is the better sword. I should know what I’m talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that’s about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I’m pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That’s right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
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>>33107848
>Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan?

because japan had nothing they wanted?
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>>33108142
It's a copy pasta
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>>33108190
to be fair no one is going to get that one unless they browse /tg/
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>>33108190
no shit sherlock.

was just hoping he'd sperg out a bit more.
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>>33108209
Everyone with half a brain is going to get that it's a pasta, whether they recognize it specifically from /tg/ or not.
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I need buying advice. I want to buy a rapier. What's the cheapest possible one I could get that could stand up to some actual sparring?

I don't really care what it looks like. It doesn't even have to be an authentic rapier. It just needs to be a relatively thin and very straight blade I can use fencing-ish techniques with and beat the shit out of. Some weird saber hybrid thing or whatever would be just fine if that's cheaper, as long as the blade is not curved.
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>>33110559
Do you plan on doing actual sparring (ie you need a blunt blade) or do you just want a rapier
If sparring, darkwood (NOT darksword) rapiers
If you just want a rapier to do backyard fun, windlass christus imperat is a nice budget one
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>>33110559
And for sparring, also consider the Hanwei rapiers, they seem to be pretty liked. And are decently cheap, off the top of my head around the $200 mark give or take.
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oh this is a long fucking shot here boys but . . . .


can anyone recommend a training blunt that works for Marozzo's Bolognese school techniques?

From what I've read it falls somewhere in the "shorter than a spadroon longer than a longsword" category and I'm starting to think it's too obscure to really have anyone making training blunts.

I could order something customer made but jesus fuck this hobby is already too expensive, and my meyer feder is doing double duty now but it's too short for what Marozzo describes.
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>>33111715
This would be better off in the HEMA general in /asp/

>>>/asp/2296090

Marozzo's sword is essentially a greatsword, right?

I think Danelli or Regenyei would have something close enough.
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>>33101932
make sure you handle a viking type sword before going to buy one on line, they have very short grip between the guard and the pommel. Which some people find unnatural to hold
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>>33101984
>>33101999
I do find it strange that the gap for VA swords are in general THAT big. I've seen smaller gaps on 250 Hanwei swords, there must be some systematic errors that they can't seem to get that right while everything else is kosher
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>>33113130
Well at lest Hanwei swords use parts all made by Hanwei. With VA the blade and hilt components are made in different factories, in fact on different continents; the blade being forged in China and the guard being cast in America.
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>>33111715
http://www.regenyei.com/en_sideswords_training.php is probably intended for that kind of thing.

>>33112037
>Marozzo's sword is essentially a greatsword, right?

His work is primarily about the kind of sword a lot of people really don't want to call a rapier, preferably paired up with a buckler. Though there are also sections on larger swords, polearms, etc.

http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Achille_Marozzo
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>>33113150
that actually explains a lot

not sure why they don't just make everything in china if the goal is to reduce cost
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>>33113226
Well part of the whole selling point of VA is Sonny's amazing leather work, and the fact that they are Chines blades (other wise it would be Lockwood/Albion price) but very thoroughly QC'd by Sonny here in America.

The blades are forged in China, at like upper Hanwei quality, and then shipped to America, Sonny (and an assistant) does everything else.

The blades are not the strong point of VA, they are good enough, the selling point is the quality of assembly, leather work, being able to pick out all the colors (I picked the Blue/Gray theme) and just the package deal with the sheath and the belt.
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>>33113338
I need to take some pictures that actually do it justice, I just have not had the time yet. I've been studying like hell for my first quarter tests of the semester. I take the last one today, maybe I'll get some good glamour shoots this afternoon or tomorrow
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>>33111715
>"shorter than a spadroon longer than a longsword"
The hell...? Marozzo is mainly a sidesword guy. Do you mean his two handed sword stuff? Did you meant a Spadone (a spadroon is a "cutting smallsword") ?
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>>33113338
yeah, I get that, just not sure why they don't make both the blades and the guards in china, so they can have a better fit.

I actually considered getting the VA rhinelander for the longest time but still haven't pulled the trigger yet, mostly due to the infamous gap of the VA swords, and not a huge fan of the type XIIa blade.

I might go for the special edition war sword because I like the blade shape better and the guard type seems like it would provide a better fit. That or save up money for a Albion Earl

With all that said, congratulation on the new sword, it's a real beauty, and like so many have pointed out that for the price it's a package that can't be beat. The curled cross is an especially nice touch
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>>33113446
Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of the XIIa, but I figured I would be doing some back yard cringe cutting, so getting a more cut oriented Longsword would be better, considering my only other sword is a Hanwei Katana that I've cut with on and off the past 7 years. The Guard gap does not bother me too much, I'll just need to make sure to clean very well at the guard. I'm going to put an ample amount of Renaissance Wax in the gap with a Q-tip.

I plan on getting more Euro swords, maybe 1 every year or two, with my tax return, sharpening income, and year end bonus. I aim to get a XVa, XVII, XVIIIc, and maybe an XVIIIe.... And I want to try out other companies like Lockwood and Albion, but I'm going to be getting more VA's as well, I'm very happy with the whole experience buying from them.

My kind of dream sword is the Albion Doge, I maybe able to afford it next year (although I'm about to overhaul my sharpening set up, that will put me back about $1,200)... I hope it's still in production, if not I will look for it second hand.
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>>33110747
>>33110936
That's more than I thought. What makes rapiers so expensive?

Like I'm not just bitching, I'm genuinely curious. What makes a 3' long piece of thin, fairly high-quality steel with a handguard on it so expensive to produce
>inb4 fine craftsmanship
Then why don't they make them with the sturdiness but not the craftsmanship, as opposed to the other way around (decorative swords)?
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>>33091939
El Chapo/10
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>>33113661
The guard is made to be both fancy and strong enough to defend against strikes without collapsing. A long thin blade needs more properly done treatment than others in order to be servicable.
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>>33113661
Swords in general are difficult to do well. Decorative swords can be cheap because they skip out on so many steps required to be a functional sword. Skip out on some of these steps on a sword meant to be functional and you end up with a sword isn't functional.
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Got around to taking some half decent photos today... a lot harder to take glamour pics of a sword than a knife... also with a shitty old iPhone.
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>>33114746
You end up with something that is weighted wrong and will break and cut the fuck out of you.

Had a guy try to use a wallhanger as a practice sword at one of our HEMA meetups. The POS was weighted way too far towards the tip, the hilt was too light, and the grip was too short. This lead to the guy just swinging it around hollywood style instead of having proper form.

We politely told him that its a wall-decoration and that if he got one that was properly weighted and proportioned he would have a lot easier and safer time.
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might as well ask here. fucked up sharpening my blade and the edge looks like this. how would i correct it? did the same number of passes on each side. not used to sharpening long knives so it ended up like that.
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>>33117384
What kind of blade? And how were you sharpening it?
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>>33113841
>>33114746
Yeah, but it's still just a chunk of metal. What kind of metal treatment is actually still expensive once it's automated on a large scale?
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>>33117504
just a machete so its not a huge deal if its fucked and a harborfeight whetstone. if i had to guess i wasnt applying pressure evenly while i sharpened it. im okay sharpening short things like knives but this was my first time with something long.
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>>33091899
Thinking about a Lutel, does anyone know what a "Type G" belt looks like worn?
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>>33117783
You want to make sure that your direction remains unchanged when you switch sides.
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>>33101866
>It doesn't seem sharp enough to cut through flesh easily
How can you say that, without seeing the edge ?
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>>33091939
isn't that from this new Romeo and juliet movie? (((New beeing relative)))
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>>33117776
That's a part of the problem, swords aren't in demand on a large scale. And more so, ones that are made in bulk for cheap, well actual functional carbon steel ones just aren't, but talking at the $100-$200 price range, they are functional swords, but feel and handle very differently from more expensive more hand made ones.
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>>33117935
hmmm I've never seen that type before... Maybe it is worn more like a messenger bag, where the belt goes up over the shoulder... I really don't know.

My longsword is Type F
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>>33091899
all the hard angles on that pommel sure look uncomfortable.
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>>33118633
Yeah it does have some hot spots, it's not that bad, but I would not want it on a sparing sword. It looks really nice though, at lest in my opinion.
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>>33117384
Find a part of the edge that is actually centered to act as your reference point. Then resharpen the portions of the blade that deviate from that centerline, to bring the edge back in line.

Depending on how extreme the misalignment was, you may have to resharpen the centered portions afterward because the profile of the edge will change as you selectively remove material (ie. from the side the edge will not be straight; the corrected areas will cause it to have a slight up and down wave, kind of like a kris knife). This is corrected by sharpening the lower areas carefully until they are raised in line with the highest portions.

As you can see, taking care to do it right the first time will save you plenty of fucking around fixing things.
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>>33120117
according to some the sharpest parts of the VA swords are the ends of the guards

true?
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>>33091939
That'd look pretty neat with black accents instead of gold.

But then again im a spic
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>>33098019
Its just an abo
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>>33123593
You are talking about the Irish Ring sword from Medieval review?

Yeah the corners of the guard on my Rhinelander is a bit pointy, and I would not like to rub my arm on it. But it's literally like a 2 minutes fix to take some sand paper and just very slightly round it. And the blade came adequately sharp, not one of the strong point though. I'm going to touch mine up before doing too much cutting.
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>>33124014
I really want a d'Captian. I almost got one over my longsword.
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>>33107667
Yes, I'm making a review today. It's extremely well weighted. I was worried about sharpness, and I was right. I'll just have to sharpen it.
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Are there swords kommandos, currently being produced for exchange of monies, that you believe are of such quality that you could get impaled by one and not be totally embarrassed from the beyond?
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>>33126979
Yes, any japanese sword. I know from experience that a thrust from a katana kills so fast and cleanly that the person won't even know they died. As a kindness to my enemies, I use three at once. Pic related is my self taught stance.
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>>33126735
Oh cool, but to be fair, most European sword makers, don't come sharp enough. My Rhinelander is sharp, but no where what my Hanwei Katana, and that's even considering it's a $300 vs $650 sword.
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>>33127080
Yeah, I'm just hoping I don't get flak in my review. I'm reviewing and using it's state out of the box, so I know my cuts are going to be garbage. I reviewed a tacticool wakizashi that had a bad secondary bevel, and I've had autists screeching at me. If there's one thing I can say about katanas, it's that even a lot of cheaper ones(as low as $40) come very sharp if you know where to look. Great for bottle cutters.
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>>33127123
Yeah they are, it's definantly a lot easier to cut with a Katana with no formal training, and long swords have more flex, and it is more important to cut at the sweat sport.

At lest what I have noticed just with the few cuts I've made with my longsword so far.
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>>33127061
Goddammit anon you made me cringe. Good work.
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>>33124943
yup, looks like they used the same guard for both swords
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>>33127844
No they are completely different... They are both "s" guards, but that's about the only thing they have in common.
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For those of you who are interested in the Bosworth longsword, here's a new review by the legendary pizza-faced swordsman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yahlZ6xtqo

TL;DW The Bosworth is absolutely amazing for the price, great handling and no looseness. Only issue is sharpness, which is common for many longswords.

>>33127587
*assumes blood blossom stance*
You were saying?
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>>33129894
Hey pretty informative review. If you have a scale though it would be nice to list the weight and maybe the POB (measured) that's something that often varies a lot from the listed specs.

If I did not have so many swords, knives, and sharpening equipment on my too buy list, I would consider getting this. It does look nice, and seems to be amazing for the price.
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>>33129894
And lol, that Back Yard Samurai fag watches you... I don't like that guy. He actually blocked me for disagreeing with him in a civil debate about some sword related thing like 2 years ago, and I'm pretty sure he sent me a PM with some strong words as well.
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>>33130213
How embarassing, I showed the POB near the end but forgot to say that it's almost exactly 3 lbs

>>33130256
He is a very opinionated person, but I can't hate him. He was actually the first person to start watching my videos and commenting on them.
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>>33129894
Cool review, Anon.
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>>33127061
NANI?
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Hey namefag, who makes decent Katanas or longs words? By decent I mean it won't break and can hold its edge while not costing a ludicrous amount of freedom bucks.

I ask this because there's an Iaijutsu class not too far from where I live, but there might also be a HEMA group that practices around here.
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>>33134591
I'd advise you practice HEMA, no matter which weapon you pick.
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>>33134591
Ludicrous price varies person to person, give a budget

If you plan on doing martial arts stuff talk to the instructors and handle some of their training stuff.
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>>33091899
Hey, so,

You can buy pretty high quality swords, but what about other stuff? There's nowhere near as many blacksmiths making literally anything else.
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>>33134649
Other stuff like what, polearms?
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>>33134675
Polearms (spears, halberds, pikes, etc), maces & clubs or any blunt weapons, flails (lol) but no really the single jointed spiked clubs were actually used, axes, MOTHERFUCKING WARHAMMERS, war picks, javelins, etc.
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>>33134622
Why do you say that?

>>33134646
Let's say 400, I'm new to swords but I really liked fencing. Though I will say most my guns that I own were about 1000 freedom bucks each.
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>>33134718
Is it even possible to use pollaxes, warhammers and other blunt weapons without hurting the opponent in a competition, given that they were supposed to work through armor?

>>33134725
>Why do you say that?
I just recall hearing someone else recommend it. It's just more functional in general and way more comprehensive. The Japanese thing is more of a sport than actual fighting.
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>>33134725
>$400
For training stuff, regenyei feders
For sharp swords you're at this weird price point that's above the usual hanwei tinker/windlass thing but not quite valiant armoury or squire line albion. The only thing I can think of is Del Tin but even then I don't know how good they are currently.

If you can bring that to $500 you're in some of Albion's squire and maestro line. But once again I'd recommend handling some stuff before you spend a bunch of money, make sure you like it
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>>33134810
Not him but how are hanwei or windlass?
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>>33134810
It's gonna sound dumb, but where do you go to finger fuck swords? It's not like I can go to my local sword shop or ye old blacksmith.
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>>33134848
Well if you think you have a hema place nearby give them a call prior to showing up, say you're interested and ask if you can handle some feders or maybe sharp stuff.
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>>33134836
Mostly around 200-300 bucks for hanwei, and a lot of windlass fall similar.
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>>33134810
I would completely avoid Del Tin, they have a really bad rep now a days.

For really cheap Euro swords I would highly recommend Ronin Katana, and Some of the Hanwei and Windlass stuff. If you can swing it, from time to time Valiant Armoury has their practical line for $350ish, and that's pretty much the best you can get for less than $400.

With any sword, it's best to watch/read reviews first about that particular sword or at lest the company. I would recommend some of the Cold Steel Swords, some of their Euro's actually have a proper balance, but unfortunately they have bad QC and often have rattly parts. Also DarkSword Armory has a very sketchy reputation, and it's best to avoid them or at lest avoid their longer swords.
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>>33134836
Hanwei's Tinker-designed line is really popular as a budget sword.
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>>33138011
I'm still considering getting a Hanwie Tinker sharp longsword, even though I have my Valiant Armoury Rhinelander now. The Tinker long sword is the sword I was planning to get, after I bought my Hanwei Katana and wanted a longsword, for like the past 6 years, leading up to the past year where I decided to increase my budget and actually buy one.
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>>33101866
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>>33136770
Can some explain the pros and cons of 5160 vs 1060 steel?
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>>33141358
5160 is mechanically better, but most people won't be able to tell the difference. 1060 is shallow-hardening so it's easier to do a differential hardening on the blade, so it's a popular steel for jap swords. 5160 is common in euro swords where it's through-hardened.
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>>33141572
Because I see some manufacturers make Katanas out of 5160. Thanks for the info.
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>>33141358
>>33141572
>>33141741
Yeah actually my Katana is 5160 and my longsword is 1060. Honestly with swords, as long as it's a good carbon steel, it's fine, the heat treat is much more important. It's different from the knife market, where heat treat is still just as important, but the steel choice really can define the price point.

I really don't care about what steel it is as long as it's good enough, if it is the minimum level of quality, it will stand up to normal use just as well.

Good steels for swords: (1045 if really cheap) 1055-1075, 5160, 6150, T10, 9260, S7, L6... so on. If you doubt it, you can look it up on Sword Buyers Guide or other forums.
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wish i could buy a good tachi without paying 10k for a real jap sword
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>>33141920
>the heat treat is much more important
This. There are even a couple smiths who have done high quality pieces out of 440C. Heat treatment and design are what make or break a sword, the actual steel (within reason) is not nearly as critical.
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>>33142605
... I said steel is not important, assuming it is a decent sword steel... And this may seem to contradict what I just said;

I would not touch anything with more than a 10" blade made of 440c, and even that is pushing it.

Swords really need carbon steel, Stainless steel is just too ridged. The only thing close to stainless I could see working for a full sized sword is CPM-3V and it's not quite stainless. Either way, if any stainless steel is going to work for a sword, I doubt it would be 440c, which is about the cheapest cutlery steels. But I am curious, do you recall the name of these smiths? I've never heard of a sword smith using it, I know some knife makers that do.
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>>33143596
Barry Dawson and Jerry Hossom were the only ones to experiment with stainless swords. Not sure if they still do any, since from what I understand it's a lot more fucking around and less room for error with the heat treatment just to get the same result as with normal sword steels.
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>>33145744
*the only ones that I recall. There may have been more smiths trying it out too...
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>>33141920
Hey namefag its me, 400 dollaroos fag.
I've been browsing KOA and picked out these four katanas that are within that price range. Do you know anything about these manufacturers or the blades themselves? Which one is overall the better buy? I've tried reading reviews of all these but some just lacked a proper review, or most said about the same things. So far I'm leaning towards one of the Ronins.

>Imperial Forge Toumoku Katana - IF2000
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=IF2000&name=Imperial+Forge+Toumoku+Katana

>Iron Tiger Forge - Mountain Oni - T10 Differentially-Hardened Katana - K01
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=K01&name=Iron+Tiger+Forge+%2D+Mountain+Oni+%2D++T10+Differentially%2DHardened+Katana

>Ronin Katana Dojo-Pro Model 18 - RKD18
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=RKD18&name=Ronin+Katana+Dojo%2DPro+Model+18

>Ronin Katana Dojo-Pro Model 26 - RKD26
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=RKD26&name=Ronin+Katana+Dojo%2DPro+Model+26
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>>33146203
I've never handled anything by Imperial forge, Iron Tiger is KoA's in house brand and has some fairly good reviews but I hear the Ito wrap isn't the best

The only one there I have first hand experience with is the dojo pro 18, which I like a lot. Not the prettiest thing to look at with a TH 1060 blade, but the handle makes up for it.

Also if you're willing to do a bit of cleaning and maybe glue something back on, buy off here
http://roninkatana.com/2017-scratch-dent-sword-sale/
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>>33143596
>I doubt it would be 440c, which is about the cheapest cutlery steels

>440c
>not 420j2
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psh...swords are for losers...axes are god tier

in all seriousness though, I can't wait to get my filthy hands on an albion vassal

falchions are sexy af
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>>33148551
https://www.albion-swords.com/swords/albion/nextgen/sword-medieval-vassal-falchion.htm
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>>33146203
Ronin Katana is good, no personal experience but they are highly regarded by a lot of people ... Funny I was considering buying the Dojo Pro 18 from their Scratch and Dent sale. If you hurry up, you can buy a Dojo Pro (they are out of the 18, idk about the 26) for $165 if you don't mind some cosmetic flaws.

As for Iron Tiger, no expirence and I've not heard much about them. I am going to buy their Shirasaya Tanto at some point, to see if you really can get a quality Damascus blade of that size for under $100, and to use it for water stone practice.

Imperial Forge, idk... But I don't like the look of it. The price seems pretty high for a 1050 blade.

Consider as well the Hanwei Raptor line (pic related) mine has held up great for the past 7 years. Also Cheness. But Ronin Katana is also my normal recommendation. For your first Katana, you probably want a Mono tempered ('Through Harden') one, they are more durable than the traditional.
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>>33148688
From what I've read Differential retains an edge for longer, and more flexible (I think) but are prone to being bent or breaking and mono is the opposite? Or does that only apply when the blade is following the traditional methods and materials of genuine Japanese swords?
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>>33149222
Not that Anon, but I believe you are generally correct. Specifically, the mono is just less likely to bend at all. I could be wrong.
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>>33149222
Differential hardended swords do have harder edges, that will hold longer, how ever are more pron to chipping. Mono swords will not hold an edge as long but their edges are more likely to roll or dent, which is easier to fix than a chip.

As for structural integrity, Mono spring tempers are far superior. They are more flexible, a good mono blade can be bent more than 45 degrees with out taking a set. A Differential blade can only be bent a little (idk, maybe 5-10 degrees) before it takes a set. It is very easy to bend one while cutting somewhat light targets if you have bad edge alignment.

I think mono is far better than differential, in every way besides edge holding. It shows, most practitioners use mono tempered blades.

This is not to say differential tempered blades don't have their place. They are cool, and more historically accurate (at lest for Katanas). And the temper line can be very pretty. I want to get a differential Tanto/Waki/Katana (I have a knife with it) at some point, but I would not use them too heavily.

(pic related not mine, a sword I would like to have)
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I want a glaive guisarme but I don't want to rob a museum
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>>33149743
>not robbing the museum and fighting your way out with the stolen weapon
I'll back you up Anon. My hidden technique will ensure we have little trouble with guards.
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>>33149222
Basically yes. Mono is much harder to fuck up during manufacture, and is less prone to taking a permanent set in use, but the cost of that is a reduced hardness on the edge as compared to differentially-hardened swords, since you don't want the spine to be too hard and the edge is necessarily the same hardness as the spine. Also people say they're "springier" in performance, but I can't speak to that as I've no experience with mono katanas. However, you only get a hamon with differentially-hardened swords, which IMO is half the reason to own the thing.

On that note, it should be mentioned that differential hardening is not the same as differential tempering, though they are similar in intended result. Some euro sword smiths (Tinker, for instance) through harden their swords to a relatively high hardness, and then differentially temper the spine and tang to reduce hardness.
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>>33150052
Kek, the Naruto run at the end.
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Does anybody make a functional cutlass that is available in the UK? Preferably a Victorian British one.
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>>33150378
Hmmm idk about what is avalible in Britain... I know they have some sword restrictions, but odlly enough I think it's only on the Katana in particular, if so, I'm pretty sure Kult Of Athena ships internationally... consider looking at Scholaglaitoria (YouTube channel, I misspelled horribly I know) he may have some videos on historical British sabers and cutlasses, and what to look for.

As a knife/sword/blade enthusiast, I'm glad to live in America.
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>>33150554
get the condor dadao instead, according to some weird dude on youtube it's just as good and only cost a quarter of the money
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>>33150515
Literally the only restriction when it comes to collecting swords is no knock off 'samurai swords'.

Does mean you are out of luck if you want to collect flick/gravity/whatever knives though.
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>>33150554
I really like Zombie Tools, they have a cool look, and are really high quality, not to mention they are pretty much indestructible. I really want to get a D'Captian at some point (see >>33124955 for pic related)

>>33150642
I think you are talking about Skallgrim... I'm pretty sure that's not what he said, they have a similar performance and the Condor is a lot cheaper... but the ZT is much better made and has a very particular look.

If you want to get really cheap, there is the Cold Steel Chines War Sword Machete for $40... it's a bit rough when you get it, but a little work makes it into a real beast. Try and get an older one with the simple handle, and not the new version with the really shity and uncomfortable looking woven looking handle. If there is a pic related, it mine.
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>Miss first attempt to drop off item, note on door says another will be done the next day
>Have that day off
>6 AM driver leaves to drop off item
>Nothing happens at all till 4:30 PM
>Get alert saying driver left note
>Look at door, nothing - go out and check apartment mailbox, stuck there

Fucking hell I swear UPS does everything they can to make me waste gas driving I can't sit out by the door to my apartment all day
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>>33152009
That sucks, what you have on the way? When my longsword came last week, I waited all day, normally the UPS guy comes around 2... He didn't. And I had to leave for my 5pm class. Luckily my family was home to sign for it when it came at 5pm on the dot...

Can you change the delivery details to leave package, or pick it up?
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>>33111715

Danelli makes a really nice sidesword. I think the waiting list is pretty long right now, but my instructor has one and she's a beaut. There are a few other ones out there right now, but Regenyei and Darkwood I think are the best as second choices.
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>>33152045
Windlass Pompeii

They can't leave it at the door because of duty fees from shipping it across the US/Canada border that I have to pay

I shouldn't have ordered Through MRL even with their deal of the day it's just not worth the cost of shipping and everything to get it to Canada
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>>33092627
Don't expect that blade to slice well, you can tell by the diamond profile that it's a later period sword (I'd say it's a XVII, but it can also pass for a XVa, as one anon mentioned) meant mostly for stabbing the gaps against an armored opponent. That being said, it doesn't mean it can't cut, just don't expect it to excel at it.

>>33096778
Katanas in general are heavier by inch of length than most longswords, due to the fact that they have little, if any, distal tapering.

>>33101866
It all depends on the type of swords and the blade profile. Some excelled at cutting, some excelled at stabbing, some were fairly balanced, but none were relegated only to cutting or stabbing, except maybe the estoc.
For a good stabbing sword you would generally want a thick spine with a diamond shaped profile to minimize the flex of the blade and for a good cutting blade you would want a lenticular blade profile, which often times also features fullers, which allow for a wider blade which also helps with cutting.
pic related, some blade cross sections

>>33101999
Trips for truth, the d'Capitan is one of those rare occasions where a modern "tacticool" sword actually looks good and (seems) very usable.

>>33107747
>>33107765
>>33107785
>>33107791
Carolingian swords are utter trash as far as practical design goes, sorry.

>>33113159
A type XV by Regenyei should do the trick, it's the go-to sword in my school for sword and buckler and single sword. Regenyei in general is GOAT, we've had only one broken blade for the 5 years I've trained.
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>>33150554
I love their stuff, I hope to get some one day.
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>>33153143
The Bosworth actually did a great job cutting despite the blade geometry. It wasn't even very sharp, but it performed well enough on easier targets. Definitely a thrusting longsword though.
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Finally took a half way decent pic of all my largest blades... It's really hard to get it right with swords, knives are so much more easy to take pics of.
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>>33107848
This is stale pasta.
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Has anybody used the Tinker longsword or bastard sword?
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>>33158390
Have the SH2411.. balance is nice (pivots close to the point.. )
The factory "sharpening" was terrible and needed some work.
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>>33158585
So once its sharpened would you say its a decent budget sword for form practice/murdering bottles of water?
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>>33091939

Which cartel do you work for?
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>>33158651
>>33158390
I don't own one, but it's pretty much the go to budget longsword, just about any reviewer will recommend it. Even though I've got my VA longsword, I still plan on getting a Hanwei Tinker.

So yeah, get it properly sharpened, and it's a great light cutting sword. That being said, it's design makes it more of a thrusting sword than cutting, you can cut, but if you just want to cut bottles there are better options.

If you want a longsword though, also consider, if they are avalible any time soon, getting a Valiant Armoury Practical line Longsword, the extra $150 or so is well worth it for the increase in quality control, better edge (not that much better), and the higher quality scabbard.
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>>33159322
Thanks for the advice, the reason I wanted a longsword is because I plan to do longsword fencing when I get the time. So I can use it to help practice.

I suppose I should probably get a cheap beater sword for fun cutting too. That zombie tools sabre looks fun.
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Are their any longsword clubs in Massachusetts? Italian or German, doesn't matter.
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>>33159506
Yeah I can't wait to get my hand on a Zombie Tool, I think my next sword may be the d'Capitan.

For HEMA longsword, you are going to have to get at lest a synthetic training sword, Purple Heart armory is kind of the gold standard right now. Eventually a steel sparing sword, that will set you back at lest $350-$450, Regenyei is the go to brand for Feders, I'm looking at eventually getting a Black Horse Feder, a bit more expensive but I love the style of it.
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>>33098019
Miss Australia 2016
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>>33159885
Oh I know, the sharp one was just for test cutting and such.
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>>33153143
Don't expect that blade to slice well, you can tell by the diamond profile
>tfw when 1st and 2nd place of Longpoint 2016 cutting tournament used diamond profile swords
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_NJZPUgFEo
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>>33160119
First off you can't tell precisely what profile those swords have. They all look diamond shaped in that quality video, unless you can provide links to high res pictures of them that's a moot point. Second, blade alignment and overall technique matter more than the tool used. Obviously a butter knife in the hands of an experienced swordsman won't perform as well as a sword in the hands of an inexperienced user, but when you're comparing two tools in the same ballpark it's the operator that makes the difference.

Also, holy shit that video is cringe.
>retarded massive wind ups
>overswinging like a motherfucker
>cutting competition

hands off my heritage amerifats, you're trying your hardest to sportify a martial art, fuck off.
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>>33160742
The only "cringe" here is your post. You try so hard to speak like you know something, but you don't. You try to sound smart but got BTFO twice. You replied to like 10 posts because you want so badly to seem educated.

You cringe at people more skilled than you'll ever be. Don't get me started on 'muh heritage,' it's pathetic.
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>>33160876
But anon, being butt-blasted is not a counter argument. :^)
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>>33160742
I agree with your points, other factors (such as skill) are more important when comparing two similar swords... From a logical stand point, something like a XIIa will out cut a XVa, not just because of geometry, but their typical balance as well.

But you should realize there is a difference between competition sparing and competition cutting, they often go side by side, like this event is LongPoint it's one of the largest Hema competitions, it's the main one in North America.

Obviously winding up like that in a match is improper and dumb, but if you are in a cutting competition winding up like that makes sense, it's the most powerful cut. There are two different objectives, so it makes sense there are two different styles to reach those objectives.
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>>33160742
How can fuller plebs compete with diamond master race?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIaRo9lYHNc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R55Un3rLuDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxF4L0gDs4A
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>>33159885
are they still making hanwei tinkers? Last I check they're sold out everywhere
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>>33161640
They're just very popular, this happens all the time
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>>33160742
>First off you can't tell precisely what profile those swords have. They all look diamond shaped in that quality video, unless you can provide links to high res pictures of them that's a moot point.
The sword that was used was an Albion Principe, which has a diamond shape blade.

Also, talking about kitchen knives, Stefan Roth isn't exactly an experienced swordsman but still.
https://youtu.be/mTsfPPR91qc?t=1531
jump at 25:31.
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>>33161608
>>33161792
Yall niggas reaching at this point. I never said a diamond blade can't cut, simply that under equal other conditions it will be outperformed by a lenticular blade. As far as personal preference goes the hollow ground diamond is by far my favorite and in my personal opinion most balanced blade shape.

As far as cutting competitions and muh heritage go that was bantz, I don't care what other people do with their time. I've been away for a few years, when did /k/ become as autistic as /a/?
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>>33149428

Hamon line dark, hada and mune white?.

Strange light or koto polishing?.
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>>33127061
h-hayai!
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>>33162179
>Yall niggas reaching at this point.
Dude. Don't you know that if someone is wrong on the Internet it is kinda of a big deal?
>Don't expect that blade to slice well, you can tell by the diamond profile
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>>33162749
You're literally fake news, omitting the rest of my post to distort the context.
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>>33162749
>>33162932
I don't even know whats going on anymore. This thread has been going on forever
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