Prep Thread General /PrTG/

>>33003711
Also what would be the best weapon to mount on a vehicle?

What's the best way to build a concealed bug out location that nobody knows about?

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>>33003711
cant wait for the happening so i can finally get a girlfriend. she thinks my stockpiled water purifiers are sexy

>>33005102
Depends, where are you planning on building it?

>>33005179
That fucking filename

Does anyone have a good SHTF urban timeline covering complete and sudden lack of power/food/Water? Be good to know how long it would take for people to become feral and kill each other over a soda etc

>>33005295
About three days

>>33005345
Sedonded

>>33005102

move to montana, there, you've bugged out.

>>33005295
Depends on how people in your area get their food, water and power.

>>33003711
Not sure on legality, if your an engineer type though it should be fairly easy.

>>33005058
Obviously a fully automatic. But if you cant do that, id say depends on your money. A .22 with a fuckkkk ton of ammo, would be pretty effective as suppersive fire weapon. Now if you can afford an m1a and a fuck ton of ammo for that.. then thats a different story.

>>33005102
Live in the middle of nowhere tbqh

>>33005295
Interested.

Im in the process of developing a new SHTF kit. Im almost completely ditching military type items. Except for my basic tactical gear, weapons. Everything else im moving onto outdoorsman stuff, just in mute colors. (Packs, Clothes, etc). There are such nice options out there, since I dont have an SOP I have to adhere too, why not use some advanced stuff.

Also I enjoy hiking, camping, etc, and I want to be able to use my stuff outside as SHTF, because.. well who knows if itll ever happen. Going to buy my first ArcTeryx piece, and a nicer pack here soon.

>>33005465
get a tough traveler instead. usa made, not chinuh.

>>33005465
Is it possible to get semi auto 249s yet?

>>33005058
It would probably be pretty easy to fabricate some kind of a pintle mount that you could clamp onto a truck sidewall, or even a car door. Make the top part be some kind of universal padded clamp, possibly adjustable to avoid interferences with magazines, ejection, operating handles, and so on.

Personally, I would set it up to accomodate a long barreled semiauto shotgun. Then I would work on coming up with some kind of speedloader.

As long as there's no gun mounted, I don't see how any jurisdiction in the country could find it illegal. Hell, just say it's a rest for bench shooting.

>>33005102
Doing it as a bunker under your own house could work. It would take a lot of time, though.

Another option- buy a few acres of wilderness somewhere. Rent a bobcat or backhoe for a weekend, go out there and dig some holes. The following weekend, truck a couple of plastic septic tanks up there, drop them in the holes, and cover. If you want to connect the tanks, use plastic culvert sections. You can get that stuff in up to 54" diameter.

The advantage to this method is, you can add more tanks and culvert as cash allows. Once you learn how to run a backhoe, you can do all of the work yourself. Set up some well-hidden trail cams to let you know if anybody has been snooping around.

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Some of the car get home kit.

Have to live in city for work. No chance of bugging out, young child and nowhere to go so bugging in. Enough supplies for a month. Weapons to arm 2 neighbours.

>>33005295
At a guess, you want to be bugged in and well hidden within the first 24 hours. Shit is probably going to get real scary starting at nightfall of the second night. The third day is when the real desperate ones start roaming around, looking for anything to eat. This is about the point you'll probably see efforts at leaving.

It'll get steadily worse for about a week, then it starts tapering off. The smart and lucky ones made it out, meaning they're starving to death elsewhere. The unlucky, sick, weak, and unprepared will be done dying off within the first 10 days. What's left is the ruthless, prepared, and connected survivors. Plus a sprinkling of crazies with a taste for long pig. If you run afoul of any of these, you'll probably die unless you can convince them that you have valuable skills.

I pulled all numbers and estimates out of my ass, so they should be rock solid.

IMO My guess would be something like this.. of course it depends on the situation.

>T-2 Weeks - People start to get skeptical of infrastructure failing

>T-1 Week - People begin to stock up, stores become empty, all supplies ransacked

>Week 1 - People stay hidden and to themselves for the most part, unsure of whats going to happen

>Week 2+ - Small communities form, feeding each other (Probably local neighborhoods, possibly forced becuase some will run out of food in 2 weeks, but im sure neighbors will help)

>Month 1+ - Possible security issues could form (IE. Raiders etc.)


I suspect that most people will survive longer than expected. If your neighbor runs out of food, most people will band together most likely. Its most likely that people wont start raiding/mad max type shit until a few months in, probably becuase if its day one and they attack a bunch of people, and day two law is restored and the army comes and arrests them.. they are fucked. Most likely people will wait a few months, and once its really set in that SHTF for good. Thats when people will start crazy shit.

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>>33003711
I am forced to be transient because I fell for the college meme and now I get to move around the country every 3-4 months to work at some new underpaying job to "build my resume". Anyway, I am having trouble maintaining the state of readiness I want because I have to keep moving. Does anyone have or know of a good SHTF system for a scenario like this (I am a poorfag). I was thinking of capping my pickup and turning it into a sort of redneck RV.

>>33007098
Best option is to get some form of protection. IE. Pistol + Rifle, A chicom chest rig, A ruck sack full of survival type shit

and bug in place whereever you are currently.

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>>33007166
>>33007166
Yeah, I have a 16" AR, Nam bandoleer, .357 problem solva, backpacking gear x 2. I was more wondering about organization of it all for a semi nomadic life. Bugging in often won't be an option for me, as I rent on short the short term and most people I have rented from wouldn't be too keen on having an armed 23 year old loner living above their garage, in their barn, etc come post HTF. Plus my security in these places is always abysmal and I can't make the modifications I need to because it is not my property. Plan is to get to the family farm up by the border, which is around 200 miles from where I am currently, but who knows come spring when I have to find a new job.

>>33007074
Considering Katrina had looting and violence withing a day or two I'm dubious as to whether this would happen

>>33005295
Turn on all taps in your house and collect as much water as possible before supplies are cut. Download as much porn as you can too, before electricity is cut. Prioritize water though.

>>33009424
Download it to what? What'll have power after shtf?

>>33007074
I have done no research on this, but even I know you're an absolute moron if you don't expect looting and chaos within 2 days of any kind of societal breakdown scenario.

>>33009454
Phone probably. Make sure you got one of those solar-powered / wind-powered portable chargers. Magazines if you must. But I prefer my porn being able to move.

>>33007166
2 handguns - a cc piece and a full sized do anything high cap like a Glock 20.
Collapsible stock battle rifle considering the fact you are more mobile and much more likely to gtfo an urban environment. Do not shelter in place inna urban environment

>>33009524
I have a feeling you may need to end up lowering your standards

>>33009524
>the very society that keeps people from expressing their true bloodhirsty primate nature collapses
>/k/holes are worried about porn primarily

Jesus h fuck

Alice pack master race checking in.

>Wool blanket cuz I live near the mountains
>Cast iron pan
>bushcrafting knife
>trauma kit
>some MREs and bottled water
>military canteen with cup
>LBE suspenders loaded with 7.62x39 and canteens
>compass
>lots of paracord
>slingshot
>currently saving up for a sill-nylon tarp but right now using a big ol shower curtain
>headlamp fleshlight
various other odds and ends that depend on personal and environmental factors, but thats what I always try to keep in the pack
>SKS

>>33009668
you know a thin wool cloth is a really shit insulator, right?

>>33005965
https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/m249s-semi-auto-detail.html?Itemid=0
Got $7500?

>>33009489
I think it depends where you are. For example if you are in Canada, seeing a black man in your home fucking your wife is the norm. But in all reality in the city it'll breakdown very rapidly whereas the country it will take a little longer to filter down.

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dont forget to pack sturdy rope

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Okay... so here's another issue, armor. As I have mentioned in the previous thread, guns are banned here, so is buying body armor and I am adept at using pole arm weapons (spears).

I'm thinking of repurposing motorcycle helmets and bicycle elbow and knee guards. Also crating a sort of forearm guards by wrapping scrap metal with cloth on my forearms.

Maybe would even add spikes to the knee and forearm guards. To keep up with the SHTF theme in Mad Max. But really cause they would be useful for kneeing / backhanding / punching which are some moves used in spear-fighting. Would spikes be reasonable?

But really, I need something that can protect me form a .38 special. As I'd bet that the Taurus Model 85 would be the most widely used handgun in SHTF. It is commonly used by the police force here, plentiful and desperate people would probably get a few cops and claim the guns for themselves.

What would be a good material to make some armor out of? Preferably something that can be found in an urban area on an daily basis.

>>33009717
It is a heavy surplus one from the 90s. We used them in cub scouts here in Canada quite alot and I have used it on -20 C nights. Never had trouble staying insulated.

>>33009818
>That pic
I'm not the one wearing hockey pads

>>33009668
Where are you planning on going other that?

Is bugging out even realistic?

I imagine in any large scale disaster, people in large cities will be stuck due to gridlocked roads and emergency respond routes being blocked off from general traffic. I know I wouldn't be able to go anywhere in my city; on simple long weekends it takes 2-3 hours in standstill traffic just to get out. Can you imagine a disaster? You aren't driving anywhere.

This obviously doesn't apply to people in small towns and rural areas, but in that scenario... why not just stay home and coordinate with your neighbors? I used to live in a small mountain town of 2500 and I'm pretty sure if SHTF happened, I'd already be exactly where I wanted to, out on a quiet farm road with trusted neighbors.

Who the fuck does the "bug out" concept actually apply to? I have a hard time understanding it.

>>33010568
The "bugging out" concept are used by two people I've found.

1. The people that are gonna live innawoods (and die shortly thereafter)

2. The people who use a BoB for its intended purpose. Bugging out isn't a see ya shitlord I'm going to be a mountain man. It's for you to get out of X (normally a place that's going downhill rapidly) to Y (which is your ready prepared bug out location). Your bug out location should have all the things you would need to survive, food storage, water collection and purification etc. You Bob is imply designed to get you to that location, and if that location is further than 3 days away then you would have caches along the way with food and supplies to restock and allow you to keep moving until you reach your BoL.

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>>33010324
Sounds like a good idea, desu. Gotta make use of what's available.

>>33009818
Don't try to rig armor thick enough to stop .38 Spl. rounds. It'll be cumbersome.

You can make some effective armor against cutting/stabbing weapons, though. A couple of National Geographic magazines will work just fine.

I'm serious. Heavy, glossy paper is surprisingly resistant to cuts and punctures.

>>33011001
That sounds unnecessarily complicated, you can just get some protective padding like in his picture, that'll do fine against knives and won't be overly cumbersome, like taping magazine to yourself

>>33007915
dude, if you travel so much, start caching. triple trashbag some bullets, a bic, vodka samplers, iodine tabs, TOILET PAPER, ration(s), etc

I'd find cubby's under and around bridges/utility structures. Ideally at recognizable locations/milemarkers

I know money is probable an object so I;m trying to keep it realistic/low-footprint but worthwhlie

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>>33003711
I've been told that I should lvl 4 ceramic plate body armor, but should I get a helmet, and if so, what kind?

>>33011441
If you want a helmet a level 3A should cover you for most things. However be careful with armour it adds a lot of weight and if you are planning on covering long distances it'll slow you down

>>33009818
what country are you from?

>>33011001
>>33011043
Alright, guess I'd have to forgo armor that stops bullets. But what about a cushioning or padding underneath that would protect me from blunt-force weapons? Would paper under the armor act as padding?

I dunno about you guys, but sledgehammers are pretty intimidating to me. Would probably smash through my spear...

>>33011503
Singapore. I put it in my name, helps people remember.

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>>33011476
I'll keep that in mind. What would a level 3A protect against, anyways? Cause if I only planning to use it for short excursions (or instances in which I know there will be a fight) I think it would be worth having.

>>33011521
If you have the money, I would suggest D3o gear, it's a flexible plastic insert that hardens when impacted, it's used a lot by stunt performers to allow them to get hit harder while maintaining protection. Best thing is you can get it for your arms and legs and it's so soft when not being struck it can sit in a beanie cap.

>>33011537
Level 3A protects up to .45 as a general rule of thumb, however it can help deflect larger rounds. If you take a larger round head on I don't know many helmets that will stop those. But 3A will protect against smaller rounds, shrapnel and glancing blows.

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>>33011536
okay, so what you want is some floor tiles, some sheets of denim, some chassis tar and some pieces of 6061-t6 aluminium plate that are the same size and thickness as the floor tiles
so you glue two tiles together and then onto a piece of the aluminium plate then with a rectangle of denim 3 times the length of a tile and 4 times the width
place the tiles in the middle with plenty of tar, fold the short side over to cover the tile with plenty of tar, place the other short side over the middle with plenty of tar then place one of the long sides over the middle of the tile with lots of tar, then the other side with lots of tar
keep it tight the whole time

just the tiles duck taped to the plate has been shown to stop a Grendel round

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If shtf I'm staying home. I work locally in a fairly rural location near the ocean, I've got food/water, ammo, gf who can shoot, a dog, and a very defensible townhome. My biggest issue would be city people flooding out of Houston, but we're still a good distance away from them and the locals did a good job of preventing looters after the hurricane in 2008.

>>33011559
Just searched it up. Man, it's amazing. Never knew such a thing was available. I would probably wear that underneath my hockey / biker gear. They are not stab-proof, but should be able to protect from blunt-force. These D3o plates need protection themselves. I'm looking at some on ebay, with costs ranging from $20 - $300. I could probably get a few smaller pieces and slide them under the biker gear. Heh, feels like Iron Man or something, eh?

>>33011662
Honestly from what I've seen of them they really are an incredible piece of engineering. The near instant reaction it has to impact and from what I've heard it doesn't break down over time. While yes not stab or bullet resistant it'll certainly help against someone coming at you with a length of pipe or other blunt object.

>>33011654
What sort of level of food and water do you have as well as means of resupply (outside of fishing)

>>33009415
that's nig nogs though

>>33011706
Sadly cultural enrichment is everywhere nowadays. I mean I'm living a bit further north and I've discovered they don't particularly like the cold weather. But anyone will go full nig if they panic

>>33011616
I would consider that. You always hear of how ceramic can stop bullets. But it sounds heavy to lug around. Thanks for the advice though, maybe I could sell the recipe in a SHTF scenario, instead.

>>33011654
Nice loadout. Really wish I could own such beautiful guns where I am form. Alas, I can't.

>>33011696
Yes, indeed. You've given great advice.

>>33011704

About two weeks. I want to get a rainbarrel system, as I live in a very high rainfall area and the state actually encourages rainwater collection here. For resupply I could farm, but that would be difficult ultimate to start and I don't have a massive area.

>>33011749
I'm glad I could help.

>>33011764
Rainwater collection is definitely something a lot of people overlook and if you have a few barrels you could run hoses through the soil of your garden to work as irrigation. How much space are you talking here for gardening?

>>33011781

not much at all, it's a small fenced in back yard. I imagine it would add another week or so onto our food supplies. Fishing would be where it's at here, this place has tons of waterways (floodplain that drains into the Gulf) teeming with catfish, redfish, crab, all kinds of stuff. People hunt gator just north of here also. The other big thing is citrus and fruit trees, plus lots of people around me have livestock.

>>33006836
needs more water. way more, thats supplies for just me for 2-3 days stretching it.

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>>33011806
I mean even doing a little will help, as long as you are careful you can plant a lot, especially if you used raised beds or tier gardening.

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>>33011764
Hmm... I didn't learn much about collecting rainwater other then using a big funnel or bag to gather them, and putting bottles under the "drip tip" (that pointy bit in the picture) of a leaf.

Another option is to go through tall grass in the morning with a cloth to collect morning dew.

>>33011834
You can use piping to funnel water from the roof off into barrels, yes you will have to probably boil and purify the water but it'll be cleaner than most rivers. Plus if you live in a wet area you'll be pretty much sorted.

>>33009415
Katrina was 100% noglers
They loot and rape when Tyrone drops his mcflurry on the ground

>>33011899
See
>>33011715

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>>33011899
while a lot of it was just niggers being niggers
it can happen anywhere once people get hungry enough

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>>33011915
>Tfw I live in Portland Oregon and nobody around me has any prep except for me
>Tfw there are basically no nongliglers near me
>Tfw I'm kinda hungry right now and want some tendies
>Tfw it's tendies time

>>33011871
Sounds like you're set.

On another note... I am still thinking about my silly armor, potentially with spikes, it can double as a Mad Max cosplay.
>Biker helmet
>Hockey chest piece
>Knee and elbow pads
>Scrap metal / Hockey pads on forearms.

Seems like I got most of my body covered, except for my stomach, back, thighs, shin, upper arm and neck. Any ideas to cover up these areas?

>>33011936
every single hipster is going to turn into a nigger as soon as they get hungry

>>33011936
This has been confirmed as bull so many times.

Reminder that having no body fat is just as bad as having too much body fat.
Body fat is a survival necessity, so keep it strongfat my friends

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>>33011957
Please don't give fatfucks an excuse to be fat

>>33011942
Best thing to do for a lot of that would be look up surplus riot gear, you can get different pieces and it's fairly common and not super expensive. That should cover some of those areas, hell you may even get a surplus riot shield and turn into a Roman soldier

>>33011972
But it's true senpai

>>33011971
I don't know how to feel about that weapon.

But yes don't encourage the fat.

>>33011823

I'd love to, but I doubt the owners of this place would let me. On another note, one good thing about living here is that prepping is pretty much normal and something we are told to do by the county, they have big ass signs telling us to be prepped for hurricanes.

What I'm really in need of is a way to cook with no power, looking at a camp stove I can stick in the attic.

>>33011994
just get a butane camp stove, they're reliable and cheap

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Revision of my personal medkit
1/2

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>>33011994
In my BoB I have a small collapsible wood stove not unlike the picture except mine stainless steel. It's not super high tech but I can cook on it and with only a small amount of wood you can focus the flame.

>>33012004
Is that after you swapped the cotton balls?

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>>33012004
Inventory:
>x2 pairs of nitrile gloves
>x20 70% isopropyl alcohol
>Saline solution ampule
>Medical scissors & tweezers
>Chap stick
>x5 XL Band-aids
>x16 regular Band-aids
>x5 5x5cm absorbent pads
>Roll of tape
>x1 sheet paracetamol 500mg, ibuprofen 200mg, aspirin 300mg, Imodium 2mg. Want to add an antihistamine when I get some more dollaridoos.

An anon on the old thread suggested single use wipes over my cotton balls & Betadine ointment.

>>33012023
Yeah, if it was you, thanks for the suggestion

>>33011972
I'm afraid purchasing riot gear is illegal here too (I tried to get the shield at one point). This armor is quite likely to be going to be made from scratch.

>>33012028
Not a problem, I'm glad it was able to streamline it for you. On a side note, motherfucking Burt's bees hell yea

What's this kit for by the way? BoB? Hiking? Or just general purpose

>>33012035
In that case you could use soccer shin pads for your lower legs, possibly forearms as well if you get ones with the adjustable straps. Stomach and upper arms and legs may be a little more awkward.

>>33011994
Oh, if you need an easy and quick way to start a fire. A battery, some wires and a light bulb with the glass smashed off will do. Just connect them and wait for the filament to turn red hot, touch it on some fibers and it should give you a pretty good fire.

>>33012036
It's just going in my hiking/hunting pack.
My hunting pack *is* my BoB, but it's not designed for use any more than 72hrs.
I mean, there's only 5 litres of water in it.

>>33012054
To be fair my BoB only has 3L but I do have puritabs and a filtration system if I need more

>>33012028
>No gauze roll

This thread is useful to y'all.
>>33011309

>>33012028
A triangular bandage might help, just a suggestion. Also >>33012068

>>33012068
This is my low priority medkit, it's not my IFAK.
My IFAK (which I'll order in a couple of weeks) will have:
>6" Israeli bandage
>CAT Tourniquet
>x2 NAR S-folded Gauze
>Hyfin compact chest seal twin pack

>>33012076
True, I could grab one too, I just don't like how it won't fit in the pouch. I DO have a shemagh in my backpack too, which can be used as a triangle bandage

>>33012028
Bruh, I feel like your ifak is very underwhelming.

>>33012081
With the two of them combined you are... CAPTAIN pretty much covered it seems

>>33012084
It's just a FAK not an IFAK

>>33012081
Your IFAK should have all of both in one pouch.

>>33012084
See >>33012081

I don't like how people put ALL their medical belongings in ONE pouch/compartment. That means when you need the emergency items right away, you have to sort through the clutter to get them out.
It also means you'll always be carrying your non-urgent items (which you don't need on you at all times), with the emergency items (which you should have with you at all times).

>>33012028 is going inside the pouch, inside my pack as per >>33012004 , and the IFAK listed in >>33012081 will go in it's own MOLLE tear away pouch on the outside of my pack, or relocated to my chest rig/first line belt if I'm wearing one.

>>33012096
No it shouldn't, ignore this guy

>>33012028
>>33012081
assuming these are you
>>33012094
why not just put it all in one and be done?

>>33012101
>why not just put it all in one and be done?
Because autism.

>>33012096

I disagree >>33012097
There's no reason to have the extra weight and bulk of the non-urgent items on your person at all times. That shit can stay in my backpack.

>>33012101 see >>33012097

>>33012097
I think this just means you need a better organizer if it's giving you problems.

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>>33012081
>no shears

Take a course before you spend any more money on this my dude.

>>33012101
OK the reason you don't put it all In one is simple.

An IFAK is your emergency kit. It's the oh fuck be been shot, I'm seriously bleeding kind of kit. For this reason you only want your life saving blood stopping kit in this pouch.

Your FAK is your second line stuff. The blisters, the scratches, the shits. It's the things that keep you from getting infected or Ill while out and about.

Your FAK and your IFAK are not the same thing and should not be treated as such.

>>33012108
No, I just don't want to carry all my shit in one pouch. It's pretty personal preference.

>>33012109
I did this shit in the army m8, and it's mostly money & space saving. I have a leatherman if I really need to cut someone's clothes off.

>>33012113
This, fucking this.
You don't need fucking bandaids and tweezers in your IFAK

>>33012126
>I did this shit in the army.

Clearly doesn't fucking matter because you're trying to use a chest seal without being able to access the fucking chest.

YOU WILL NEED SHEARS. PUT YOUR SHEARS IN YOUR IFAK.

>>33012138
Fair enough, I was going to get shears originally but ditched the idea for space saving.

I might add, this kit will 99.9% never be used, and if it is used, 99.9% chance it won't be an active shooter situation, so there's no mad rush to get through nylon webbing and shit to get to the wound. My leatherman would go through a t-shirt/jeans easy enough

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>>33012153
>I might add, this kit will 99.9% never be used.
Then don't make one. You either do it right or not at all.

>99.9% chance it won't be an active shooter situation
Then just swap all of your stuff with Band-Aids and tootsie rolls.

>My leatherman would go through a t-shirt/jeans easy enough
Then put your leatherman in your IFAK.

>>33012166
>then don't make one
>prep thread general
righto

>Then just swap all of your stuff with Band-Aids and tootsie rolls.
yeah bro because accidents around firearms never happen, why prepare for it?

>put a leatherman in your IFAK
I have a leatherman in my kit, why put a second one in my IFAK?

You sound like an over-compensating faggot

>>33012184
Nobody is overcompensating here, this is about doing something correctly that involves preventing loss of life. You should not go about this like it's some whimsical fucking adventure. Read some manuals, watch some videos, go take a class or two.

>>33011654
Brazoria county?...

On the subject of IFAKs, I just want to make this point because I see it whenever IFAKs come up.

>Should I put a [chest dart, NPA, some other piece of specialists equipment] in my IFAK?

If you have not been trained to use the equipment you are talking about then it should be nowhere near your kit. You will do more harm than good.

>>33012184
You need to understand something too, this kit is going to be used on you or someone you know personally and not in a situation in public where stranger's lives are at stake.

The only thing worse than someone not having access to immediate medical care is someone being there beforehand or sooner that has equipment and doesn't know how to fucking use it. This is how people die. You will be sued. Hindsight will tell you that you shouldn't have neglected the finer details that are part of what you're trying to accomplish.

>>33012097
good point famalam. I think I'll try that.

>>33012208
>>33012193
Jesus fucking Christ, you're acting as if having no shears will make the entire IFAK completely useless, and that I have absolutely no skills with the most basic fucking medical equipment issued.
Chest seals, Israeli bandages, and CAT tourniquets are so simple that nearly anyone can use them. The only thing that might require some training is gauze packing into arterial wounds or stomach wounds.

>>33012223
Take a fucking class.

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>>33012200

Galveston county

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>>33012223
On the subject of catastrophic bleeding what are your views on hemostatic agents. I've looked into them and I prefer the ones that are built into the gauze rather than granules.

>>33012193
>>33012202
>>33012208
>>33012226
Aside from the unnecessary shit-talking, I actually am taking this advise on board.
I probably will buy shears, the main reason I wasn't going to was it was out of stock on the only place that sells them (NAR shears) here.

I also don't think there are many classes here for IFAK usage. I do have basic IFAK training for Israeli bandage, CAT tourniquet, chest seals (made from the bandage packaging and tape, not pre-packaged). Gauze packing is another thing I'm not 100% on, but will still have a somewhat decent idea of what to do, based on informative videos.

>>33012240
I just can't afford Celox/Combat Gauze

>>33012240
>>33012248
why not just get quikclot sponges?

>>33012256
From what I've heard any ones with loose granuals can potentially throw off clots and are more difficult to properly repair, hence the reason the newer ones are building it into the fabric itself.

>>33012256
Never seen them, I'll look it up

>>33012264
My current-serving mate says they no longer issue the granules cause too many complications, so now they just use the haemostatic gauze

>>33012281
That's what I thought

Im some kind of a faggot, anyone have experience with off the shelf shears from a cvs/walgreens

or should I just order something trusted?

>>33012313
I'd go the extra few bucks and get something good like NAR Shears.
You only need one, and you may as well spend the extra 5-10 bucks, if that

>>33012232
Nice. You're about 45 minutes from me. I'm pretty much on the same train of thought. Mainly prepping for one of these damn hurricanes that seems to ass fuck us every 6 to 8 years ha.

>>33012564

Yeah we seem to take it in the chin every couple decades or so. Ike was actually good for usnthough, cleared out the shitty people and the economy here has been better than ever.

>>33012564

Whereabouts are you, good sir?

>>33012049
Also 9v and steel wool
Touch 9v to wool
instant flame
>>33012281
>they no longer issue the granules cause too many complications, so now they just use the haemostatic gauze
This is true. I kept my combat gauze and all my IFAK shit from when I was in the muhreens. I got like a dozen or so CAT and SOFT tqts and 3 pairs of shears.

>>33012049
I can think of a few easier ways, like a lighter or matches

>>33012741
Damn, CAT tqts are $56+shipping each here.
Shears are about $16+shipping each.

>>33012749
True but it's always a useful thing to know alternative means of making fire. It is by far one of the most useful skills and one of the ones most likely to save your life.

>>33012783
Where are you trying to get them from?

>>33012783
Yeah, I collected those. Keep one in house, truck, range bag, etc.
I got a few SOFT-T tqts also. Those are better than CAT cause they use metal instead of plastic which are known to break if you torque to much.
Where are you ordering your IFAK stuff from?
I need to build another kit.

>>33012845
Oooh SOFT-T is on the site too, and only $35.
Might get one of those then.

>>33012832
Tacmed

>>33009726
>For example if you are in Canada, seeing a black man in your home fucking your wife is the norm.
>Canada

You know how I know you've never been to Canada? (Toronto / any "inner city" is not Canada, those are fancy refugee centers)

>>33012927
You get my point though, I was referencing the almost immediate breakdown in inner cities in a SHAFT situation. With a little bit of humor at Canadians expense.

>>33003711
>tfw cant prep anymore because youre in the national guard and you will be knee deep in the shit by default.

>>33007098
Fellow poorfag college memer here. Cheap long gun/pistol combo is what I started with. Maverick 88 and Taurus PT111 (both ~$200/ea) ran me less than the cheapest of ARs. Guns w/o ammo are equivalent to woman w/o vaguyna so prep ammo second. After you feel comfortable with your ammo, I started the next most important thing which is food and water preps. Water is self explanatory. For food, I went on Amazon and found a good mylar bag and oxygen absorber combo deal. I got 60 mylar bags and 60 300cc oxygen absorbers for ~$25. These can be sealed with a clothes iron and will vacuum pack with the absorbers. Do white rice, various kinds of beans, textured vegetable protein, instant coffee, flour, LOTS OF SALT, and other dry goods. Don't do sugar and oxygen absorbers. Seal the sugar by itself. Another good food prep is hard tack. They've found still edible pieces of hard tack from the mid-1800s. After you feel comfy with all that, go blow it on stupid redneck shit like muh tacticool gear and tricking out a truck that'll go 200 miles before you realize "Oh shit. Gas pumps need electricity to work!" and end up walking your happy ass everywhere.

>>33009668
>headlamp fleshlight
I would like to see how this operates honestly.

>>33010459
Hell when he freezes to death.

>>33011654
>a dog
because where else will you get fresh meat when SHTF

>>33013172
I did not even spot that, it gave me a chuckle

>>33013202
Well he did say he was Canadian

>>33013182
This map is pretty fucking pointless. All life would be completely wiped out if 500-2000 nukes dropped on the US.

>>33013812
Besides you being wrong, that map is several decades out of date.

Nuclear winter is mostly a creation of the entertainment industry. Fear mongering scientists started the rumor during the Cold War, hoping to make nukes scary enough that nobody would ever consider using them.

>>33013148
>Oh shit. Gas pumps need electricity to work

Which is why you have an inverter installed in your vehicle, and carry some extension cords.

>>33013812
No it wouldn't. Most of the targets are silos, military establishments, or supporting infrastructure such as power plants. Population centers aren't the primary target.

>>33011366
I cached firestarters, tinder, kindling, bullets, batteries, space blankets, handwarmers, and food in little tupperwares in caves and hollow logs when I used to longline in a pretty good sized wilderness (for the mid atlantic). Never really thought about it for this type of application, but I still have them, but that would be easy enough once I scout out some spots.

>>33011994
No, every one suggesting backpacking stoves is wtong. You need a coleman classic propane stove at least. They are a bit hefty, but they fold up flat and you can actually cook on them, as opposed to just boil water like the stoves others are suggesting are made for.

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My main weapon

Have machetes and stuff to arm neighbours

Not many guns here. Am I fucked for defense?

We are in a gated compound with 12 ft walls.

>>33016251
I don't want to say you are fucked but I feel if you are urban, a gated community will be a target

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>>33003711
What's the difference between a plate carrier and bulletproof vest?

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Amazon is dangerous...

Next up is gas masks and MOPP gear. Anyone have good recommendations?

>>33016765
A plate carrier carries plates.
A bulletproof vest is not bulletproof.

Any questions?

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>>33016869
Can you reliably hide plate carriers under clothing?

Are plate carriers that are also tactical vests, and if there are, should I get that instead?

Are bulletproof vests useful for military combat situation?

Is getting a level 3A helmet worth it?

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>>33016795
6099 cartridge is best cartridge.

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>>33017001
And 6038 for less extreme shit

Mask is 6000 series

>>33016913
>Can you reliably hide plate carriers under clothing?
Generally, no. They do make concealment plate carriers, but you will still need to wear oversized clothing like a trench coat or large jacket to conceal it.

>Are plate carriers that are also tactical vests, and if there are, should I get that instead?
Plate carriers are generally just that, carriers. You can add mag pouches and any other variety of gear you want through MOLLY or PALS webbing.
>Are bulletproof vests useful for military combat situation?
Yes. Otherwise known as flak jackets. They are great for stopping shrapnel from mortar rounds up to 9mm diameter under 100fps
>Is getting a level 3A helmet worth it?
Probably not. You Wil NEVER use it. Ever. But if you want to play dress up and pretend like the rest of us manchildren, go for it.

>>33017014
I was under the assumption that weaponized chemical, or even biological agents can do horrific things to your skin and other spongy bits, not just your lungs.

>>33017026
*MOLLE

*1000FPS

Goddamned bootleg samsung piece of a shit tablet

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>>33017026
>You can add mag pouches and any other variety of gear you want through MOLLY or PALS webbing.
Is it better to use the webbing, or just put a tactical vest over the plate carrier?

>You will NEVER use it. Ever
Why is that? Let's say you knew you were going to get into a gunfight at a place, it would be worth having then, right?

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>>33017026
Also, would it be worth it to get one of those plate carriers that also acts as a bulletproof vest, like the police (and military I assume) have?

>>33016913
>Can you reliably hide plate carriers under clothing?
Under a really heavy winter jacket? Sure, depending on the size. Really, it all depends on the size.
>Are plate carriers that are also tactical vests
All "tactical vest" means is that there are pouches on it, so yes.
>should I get that instead?
If you want.
>Are bulletproof vests useful for military combat situation?
That's a really broad question. It's better than wearing jeans and a t-shirt, I suppose, but a plate carrier and plates is really the ideal. Even durkas, africans, and marines can find them, what's your excuse?
>Is getting a level 3A helmet worth it?
If you don't want a bullet to impact your skull, then yes, definitely.

Please post more anime qts.

>>33017070
>Is it better to use the webbing, or just put a tactical vest over the plate carrier?
Get a UTG-brand tactical vest. They're pretty solid.
Also, depends on the operation. Are you going to be operating innaforest? Webbing. Innacity? Vest is best. The most important part is being familiar with your equipment and packing as lightly as possible. Know your mission, know your enviroment, know your situation, know the obstacles, and then plan and prepare accordingly.

>>33009524
>Implying you need porn when half the population will let you fuck them for a chocolate bar

>>33016795
I believe one of the earlier threads had a chemanon who went into a lot of detail, check the links at the top.

>>33017099
Just about any ceneterfire rifle round will rip right through a 3A helmet like it wasn't even there.

>>33017207
Can you link it please? I'm not a fuming magician

>>33017091
The ones the police have are most likely tactical vests with soft armour inserts. These will stop shrapnel and small arms. A PC will be eaten up to higher calibur rounds depending on the level plate you get. Personally I'd get something with MOLLE on it as it gives you the versatility to switch and move gear as needed.

>>33017216
Only if it hits head on. Most modern helmets are designed to deflect rounds meaning that while a 3A won't stand up to a direct hit it'll certainly ping a larger round away if it hits at an angle.

>>33005058
>Also what would be the best weapon to mount on a vehicle?

Doing so is typically stupid since most gunners are exposed. Do you actually have a plan where a vehicle mount would make sense or are you just being a silly girl?

>>33017228
Check these
>>32915551
>>32963130

>>33017250
I'm thinking of trying to mount low just behind the cab of a truck. I'll admit it doesn't offer the greatest protection however it would allow for fast movement as a possible support vehicle.

>>33007098
You are already "ready" since you are mobile.

Save your money and make sure your vehicle is well maintained. Caps on trucks are horribly annoying if you ever have to haul anything that doesn't fit. I give them away.

Just have a bugout bag, water and a stash of food you won't eat quickly out of boredom. (Silly people care about tasty food. WRONG. You want to reduce consumption, not encourage it.)

>>33017070
Why not get a chest rig over a PC?

>>33017306
True but mobility does not inherently equal survivability. What happens if the roads get blocked. Relying on a vehicle to carry everything will only get you as far as the vehicle will go.

>>33017216
Some protection is better than no protection. And that's a fact. Cover and not being seen is the best armor there is, but in the chance both of those have failed you or are unobtainable, a helmet is what you want to have. It's not a guarantee of survival, if we found one of those wars would be a lot more onesided, but armor definitely does help. Most people aren't rambo, we can't put on a headband and become invincible.

>>33009454
>What'll have power after shtf?

Many people because stoopid SHTF fantasies don't match IRL SHTF. Ignore fiction, study history and news. Fiction makes people stupid.

I'll have power from my vehicles, my gensets, and if those are destroyed I can salvage automotive charging systems and if necessary suffer through pedaling my exercise bike with the belt drive connected to a GM alternator to (slowly) charge batteries.

SHTF doesn't mean there won't be tech to repair or people who can repair it.

Even a worst case EMP strike won't take out most vehicles and thousands of simple engines will be unaffected. EMP isn't magic and (for example) my points ignition Harleys will be unaffected. Millions of older engines exist with points, simple electronic ignitions and carbs.

Learning /diy/ is part of being a man, saves you absurd amounts of money, and frees you from depending on others.

Oil and natural gas will continue to be extracted. Coal will continue to be mined. Crops will continue to be grown. Fucking zompocalypse helpless cunts will be inconvenienced. Men won't.

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>>33017043
If it's stuff like chlorine or mustard gas, yeah. However, gas in the lungs can burn and compromise your respiratory system, so you'd either suffocate or have something else lovely like secondary-drowning from hemorrhaging. You want to protect the eyes and airways before worrying about your skin.

>>33017386
While an EMP won't, a solar flare would fuck most everything up.

Bringing back some Johnny Labs stuff from back when, also some misc shit i've come across

>>33010568
>Can you imagine a disaster? You aren't driving anywhere.

You can walk twenty-five miles a day. You don't need to drive and you can use routes where there are fewer or no cars. You can walk along railroad rights of way and see almost no one. I'm originally from north Jersey and roamed the Meadowlands as a kid and walked many miles for something to do.

You can mountain bike on railroad rights of way too, or if you've got a dirtbike or adventure bike you can ride in relative comfort.

The US is car-centric. People don't think about railroads unless they are model railroaders or railfans.

>>33012184
>>put a leatherman in your IFAK
>I have a leatherman in my kit, why put a second one in my IFAK?

I just wear my Leathermans on my belt. I use them constantly (mechanic and general gearhead). Why ever be without one or a good LED light? My use rate for both is frequent and they're extremely convenient.

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>>33017454
>Won't attach from SD card

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>>33017548

>>33005058
recoilless rifle or .50 cal MG

>>33013148
You can skip silly shit like coffee and buy caffeine pills in bulk (1000 pill bottles) online for less money. Coffee requires a lot of effort. Pills require near zero. I find the whole coffee preparation ritual as stupid as vaping (I chew nicotine gum instead).

Cooking should be by necessity to save effort and fuel and cleanup. Canned goods etc can be eaten cold and you can stock your pantry then eat the oldest. No additional cost to you since you buy groceries anyway.

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>>33017563
All this shit is over on murdercube.com but theres a lot of repetitive shit. I picked out everything that gave clear instructions for clear products and stashed the rest.

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>>33013148
>"Oh shit. Gas pumps need electricity to work!"

Portable pumps are a thing, and nearly every vehicle holds some fuel in the tank even after you run try. Bring a drain pan and a way to pierce gas tanks. Drain, don't try to siphon.

Own a set of bolt cutters. You can cut the gas tank straps on many vehicles, drop the tank, then chop off the fuel lines and wires. I've done several hundred tanks when I worked at a salvage yard.

A white pail is nice to have. We poured fuel into light colored pails, let the water and debris settle, then poured the good shit into our vehicles.

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>>33017329
You are preparing for an unlikely event, so given limited resources, prepare for likely unlikely events first.

For example if you have a road map and compass and plan evac routes around chokepoints you have reasonable odds IRL.

Your PLAN is even more important than gear. Throw an ugly bicycle into the truck if you expect to get stuck.

Most areas won't be completely cut off in disasters. During the Joaquin flooding some areas of I-95 and nearby roads in the Carolinas were blocked but using Waze, offline GPS mapping (l treat every event as a training opportunity) etc I routed around most of it easily. I have hard copy maps if needed and keep a CB because those will remain operational in a grid outage. If it were IRL extreme shit I'd have ignored my destination and gone much further around the blockage.

Your real problems are most likely to be natural events common to your region. BTW if you get a few five gallon gas cans (I prefer the GI version) you can set them aside then fill when you have disaster warning.

Bolt-from-the-blue nuclear warfare is EXTREMELY unlikely and much less likely than it was during the Cold War. Prep for other shit first.

>>33017429
So what? Man would adapt. We'd be fucked if a giant dildo shaped meteor the size of Jupiter tagged us too, and everyone dies anyway no matter how many toys they buy.

A solar flare won't reach into my grounded steel shipping container shop and destroy my disconnected electrical equipment and spare parts. Not everything is on the grid to take a hit from an overload.

There are millions of people who could walk into what the helpless consider "ruins" and whip up equipment and a workshop then a small factory etc from the fucking wreckage. Most of them aren't "preppers", they just know how to do useful things.

Become one. It's fun.

>>33010568
Bugging out to the family farm is very much a plan C ( plan A being get there before it's considered bugging out, and B being bugging in) and if it comes to that, I've never really even considered being able to use roads, considering the size of the city I live in and how many realistic ways there are in and out of it. Luckily, my state is exceptionally flat and almost exclusively farm land. By the time I need to cross any rivers, I'll be far enough away from town that I can choose the gravel road of my choice and just take that the rest of the way. Wife and I both drive large 4WD's for this reason, even though she thinks its so we can fit groceries and child things in them.

>>33011537
If you know there will be a fight, you don't need a helmet. You need a new plan.

>>33017756
You could make a couple of very nice storage tanks out of aluminum 18-wheeler saddle tanks. I've been looking for a cheap one to supplement my other fuel storage. You can fab a skid and use their mounting straps or fab some to attach, then load them into your truck or onto a trailer for transport.

>>33016251
You should arm everyone with a spear, gladius, and shield. It's the best you can do for melee weapons.

>>33017306
Can I have a cap since you're just giving them away.

>>33017602
Or you can get it directly from the cisterns with a pail and rope.

>>33017966
As a last ditch, was also thinking of having a couple of bloodied rags about and cough a lot to pretend to have tuberculosis. Might make a raider think twice?

Any other similar tactics?

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>>33013148
I'm hasguns, in fact I have a gun that will fit every role I may need, any additional purchases are purely for entertainment. I have dry/ canned goods/ sundries, I have ammo, I have survival gear. I was curious whether there was any one out there who had knowledge of efficient nomad setups. Right now I lug all of my stuff around in a footlocker and two ILBEs. The goal is and always will be for me to incorporate all of the preps into my daily life. The "tricked out" truck can earn me over $500 extra per pay, through me refusing room and board. I cycle through all of my stockpiled food, only go to the grocery store once every 3 months except for milk/ eggs. Probably a question better posed to /out/.

>>33017949
Did you mean to reply to me? Or do you just have a similar plan and felt like sharing ideas?

>>33018113
Anyone dumb enough to be looting isn't smart enough to respect TB>>33018156

>>33018156
You need to asses your kit and see what you truly need on you to survive.

Personally I think trying to live nomadic will result in death.

Once you have worked out what kit you need find a way to carry it. If you can't then you need to streamline, find tools and kit that fufils multiple functions.

Your biggest challenge is finding regular food and water.

>>33018402
I'm somewhat sceptical of this image

>>33018476
what specifically?

>>33016044
I always worry that someone would steal my cache.

>>33017181
Ahhh... but that's where STDs would run rampant, right? How dishonorable would it be, to know that I had died to STDs instead of glorious kombat. But honestly, it just simply not wanting to die.

>>33017966
I agree spears are great, simple to make and effective. Though someone coming at me with a heavy 2 handed weapon like a sledgehammer scares the piss outta me. But I suppose that would be the case for most people as well.

>>33018892
The death time specifically

>>33019719
People bleed out quick dude, hard to stay alive when your brain isn't getting any blood

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>>33006625
>>33005058

Okay, here's another problem... waste disposal. Sooner or later (if you are bugging in), water supplies are cut. Toilet backs up, you run out of spots to dig holes in the back yard to fill with shit and the outhouse is full. What do you do?

Venture further to take a shit? Make fertilizer? Create a wacky waste treatment machine? Dry and burn it? etc.

>>33006910

bonus points for long pig

>>33019844
I can fix my toilet, repair my plumbing, and I've already pulled my septic tank concrete lids once to save money when I had it pumped. A hand pump well covers any water pump issues and I can bucket flush my toilet.

You can move outhouses or make a new one. Outhouses with reasonably deep holes take many years to fill.

You can dig septic tank sized holes with a shovel and you can make your own septic tank using a variety of materials.

Most trenches in WWII were dug by hand. Shovels, especially with sharpened edges, move a lot of earth.

All the above is basic rural living skills.

>>33019844
I have a well (hand pump sunk to the water table) on my property, I'm thinking about putting a tank in my attic and being able to hand pump water up to that and then use gravity to flush the toilets. Same goes for showers, it may not be warm but hell it'll keep you cleanish.

>>33019949
And if you're stuck in urban? I suppose I could bucket flush with rain water or any other water that is unsuitable for drinking.

>>33011956

no it hasn't

>>33019844
For poop just dig a deeper hole, you won't run out of poop room unless you havea whole camp of people, in which case you'll just need more land. Trash is simply burned

>>33020211
Backyard burning doesn't sound very safe. Also...
if you're stuck in urban?

>>33020209
Yeah it really has

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>>33017548
How good of a gas mask would you need to protect against the poison gas grenade?

>>33019622
>Though someone coming at me with a heavy 2 handed weapon like a sledgehammer scares the piss outta me

Get close. That makes it useless. Those heavy 2 handers are devastating if they hit, but the wind up, delivery, and recovery all take time. If you get inside the swing, you own the wielder. While they're trying to keep their balance, you've ganked them a half dozen times with a nail file.

>>33021371
Man, one swing and I'm out... I don't think I could even get close. If I do, he might kick me back, knee me or backhand me. I'd imagine using a sledgehammer is mostly similar to what I learnt using a polearm (spear in particular). I learnt if someone closes the distance like you mentioned, you can knee them. Tries to parry or grab your weapon, backhand or punch.

>>33003711
In case anyone needed more justification for compulsive prepping

http://peterturchin.com/age-of-discord/

>>33021039
What sort of "poison gas"

>>33021748
I think he is referring to this >>33017548

How would you guys go about keeping an off-grid cabin safe? I have a composting toilet, a full kitchen, solar power + backup gas supply, a wood burning stove with lots of fuel, well water and potential rain collection, fishing + hunting nearby, and a garden that can provide vegetables. So of course I will be hunkering down there long term in any disaster event.

My main concern is that I am located between two decent size (10,000ish each) towns. The nearest one is only about 15 miles away. People can easily explore the dirt road my property is on and find this cabin. There are already frequent hunters and campers in the area as is.

Barricade the road in?

Set up noise traps around the nearby perimeter?

I'm at a loss. I don't know much about security.

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>>33021774
In that case I'd say get a full face 3M and check table to the left. Though I'm not sure how concerned I'd be about poison gas, at least in this form because unless you are in a very enclosed space you should be able to just get away from it.

>>33021821
Yeah baracade the road, make sure you have shutters and bolts on doors and windows with a way of shooting out.

And get a gun.

>>33021846
I will add, if it's heavily concentrated (over 100ppm) all the mask will do is give you time to get the fuck out. It won't protect you for long against high levels of h2s. You'd need full SCBA for that.

>>33021039
For you >>33021846

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>>33021821
>How would you guys go about keeping an off-grid cabin safe?

leve as little hints to there being a cabine nearby as possible. aka don't barricade the roads or leave any other hints to there being valuable shit nearby. A below ground cellar would be nice in case they start shooting. Same goes for AR500 plate reinforcement of your sleeping area so you don't get whacked in your sleep by surprise.

reportedly, silicon valley billionaires and millionaires are getting into the prepping game. buying bunkers out in the californian wilderness and stocking up on guns.

>>33021940
I mean I don't see why he couldn't barricade the road, just as long as he tries to make it look natural, a fallen tree rather than concrete Barriers or some shit.

>>33021821
buy a derelict barn or cabin put it over the cabin.

so from the outside your cabin looks like a rotting collapsing unsafe structure with absolutely nothing of value inside.

>>33021952
>Californian rich get into prepping
>Stockpiling weapons and buying bunkers.
>Shit hits the fan and they run to their bunker.
>Come out with one of their weapons one day.
>Fire one shot: can't shoot for shit, drops weapon, instant PTSD and no safe space, gets raped by marauding Mexican gangs.

Sounds pretty amusing to me

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>>33013907

Let's say I believe that line of yours about nuclear winter being fake. What makes you think you'd escape the fallout radiation?

>>33021987
Because real life isnt a video game.

>>33022145

So basically, you have no idea what you're talking about. Nice.

Do my a favor, and pull apart all the smoke detectors in your house, and eat everything inside.

You'll be fine, trust me.

>>33021987
fall out isn't much of an issue. the worst risk is breathing it in or consuming something contaminated by it. One or two good heavy storm systems will wash most of it away. Leaving you with a slight risk of slightly more radioactive water or crops.

>>33021987
Oregon is best state apperantly

>>33016795
Get nonrechargeable lithium batteries in the sizes you use. They have shelf life measured in decades.

You might also want to look into stocking some rechargeable batteries, as well. Get a solar charger, now you have batteries for a long time.

I covered CBR gear in (iirc) the first thread. A tl;dr recap- tyvek suit with impermeable outer coating, tyvek hood, full face respirator that is NIOSH certified. Cartridges- combo organic vapor/acid gas, with a P-100 prefilter. That's what OSHA and the CDC recommend for sarin.

To continue, rubber boots with a smooth outer surface. Two pairs of nitrile gloves. Not latex, nitrile. That's important if you're dealing with things like organic peroxides. Duct tape the boots and inner gloves to cuffs, tape seal the facepiece of the respirator into the hood.

This rig is Level C protection, it'll give you maybe 15 minutes of protection against sarin, which will kill you if it touches your skin. Just so you know.

The same set up gives similar protection against VX.

>>33022159
Real life is not a video game.

>>33021987
Fallout isn't some monstrous horror movie thing that chases you down and hacks you to death. It's not Darth Vader death magic.

Think of it as poison dust. Radioactivity falls off ten fold for every 7 fold increase in time- if it was 100 Sieverts at zero hour, it'll be 10 Sv in 7 hours.

You can protect yourself from fallout with some visqueen, duct tape, hepa rated furnace filters, some bedsheets, a few car batteries, a dozen or so computer fans, and some ducting.

You can also get radiation detectors from Amazon, for as little as $100.

Take the steps to protect yourself.

>>33021987
Fallout isn't as bad as media makes it out to be, irradiated materials have a very short half life and will lose the vast majority of it's radioactivity in 2 weeks or less

>>33022546
Wait a minute... This is an autism containment thread. Why are you here?

Or are you checking up on the inmates, making sure we don't eat the crayons? The green ones aren't ripe yet. Need more purple.

Thoughts on stimulants or go pills?

I currently have a few strips of 150mg Armodafinil. The perfect go pill imho. You can keep going even with serious sleep deprivation and feel "okay". Half-life is 10-15 hours.

>>33022674
>The green ones aren't ripe yet. Need more purple
Kek

>>33021821
How obvious of a dirt road? Could you plant grass and have it fairly hidden?

>>33009818
theyre called vambraces and greaves. also, if you really understood bollocks about spear fighting you wouldn't fear sledgehammers at all. you don't smash through a spear unless you stick it in the ground to get resistance enough to break it.
sledgehammers are one of the worst possible weapons. completely unbalanced, ultra heavy piece of junk. your spear gives you an immense advantage, man

>>33024074
Yeah, fuck you Singa for not knowing the obscure terminology and intricate details of spear fighting. Something you probably only really thought about these past couple of days in this thread. How dare you.

You know what would be more helpful rather than zerging out? Actually offering some advice or posting an infographic or something actually useful.

>>33022250
Out of curiosity, why go with organic vapor/acid gas rather than multi-gas/vapor?

Magnesium rods,matches or lighters?

I've tried using magnesium rods in the past and they have proven too difficult. I've 100 boxes of matches stored.

>>33006836
What mask is that? It's really good-looking.

>>33025314
bic lighters

one mag rod

Will there really be as much of a food shortage as you think? I don't think so. We don't take into account how many farm animals there are both free range and factory. A herd of cattle could easily break down a fence if their food became so scarce.

And without many people and money losing it's value,there are going to be tonnes of farms with too much farm animals.

I'm not too worried about food tbqh. Cows will become the new deer,chickens will become the new rabbit and pigs the new boar.

>>33025314
You need to make sure you have kindling to use mag rods, tinderquik, cotton wool, wood shavings etc.

If you are going to keep matches, especially if they aren't storm matches I'd recommend dipping the top half of each one in wax.

>>33025374
>Implying farm animals won't be the first targets of Shtf

When people panic they do stupid shit. You only have to look at grocery stores in the south when they mention snow. Trust me farm animals won't survive very long.

>>33025397
Nah,you have to take into account the loss of human life also. Won't be too many people making trips to the countryside when the cities are all blocked up as well as those who don't own guns. Not to mention how uncontrolled animal breeding will be.

>>33025428
True but only a small % of animals are free range, a lot of them are stored in battery farms. Those animals won't be able to get out of there and will likely die off quickly if food dries up. And if the farmer can't get grain or food for them, then he can't get food for himself which means guess where he will look for his next meal?

>>33025469
Well,lucky for me. Almost every cow butchered in my country is free-range.

>>33025494
OK then let me pose a new question, what makes you think that, should shtf, a farmer would let you anywhere near his cattle/animals? Similarly why would a farmer (who likely is also short on food) let his animals escape?

I'm just saying you sound incredibly complacent about the availability of food

>>33025321
It looks like one of the 3m full face series.

https://m.uline.com/h5/r/www.uline.com/BL_992/3M-Full-Face-Respirators?pricode=WO265&AdKeyword=3m%20full%20face%20respirator&AdMatchtype=p&gclid=Cj0KEQiA25rFBRC8rfyX1vjeg7YBEiQAFIb3bx8aFHTHGS1fHqfA2Ui9PBjY2Fb33ZYoslIGPmAtcegaAuc28P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

>>33025866
Yep, is the 6000 mask. Very cheap on eBay.

For super povery mode the Chinese also do clones of these masks on eBay for like $30 that accept 3m filters.

>>33028253
How good is the seal on those though?

>>33028253
link to chinese clone?

>>33007074
LOL, you really underestimate the stupidity of a mass of people.

Within the first month, most people will be either dead or dying.

After two months, banditry ceases and people start to get sneakier about resource collection.

After three months, the people who will survive will survive, and the rest will be casualties.

>>33016795
>MOPP gear
None honestly. Don't waste your money on something that is least likely to happen. Focus on bigger priorities.

>>33028698
I didn’t want to find out in a cloud of CS gas so I got the 3m. The seal on my 6800 is flawless.

>>33028735
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Free-Shipping-For-3m-6800-Gas-Mask-Full-Facepiece-Respirator/182084142395?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41404%26meid%3Dab9d5a993ba944e4ac4d554f694351fb%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D252768198005

So what's a non-meme approach to prepping & survival skills, knowledge, tools?

I figure, yeah obviously having stored up food and all that is great. But if you don't know how to

-build shelter
-start fire
-acquire new food

then you're really just gathering supplies for somebody else.

How does somebody go from total no-prepz to fairly competent at holding ones own in dire situations?

>>33029781
ok well first of all why are you bugging out?

>>33029781
>Building shelter
You should be bugging in where possible, and "building shelter" get a lightweight tent or tarp simple.

>Fire
Matches, mag rod, lighter

>Food
preferably have a farm or at least be growing things

Buy a gun and a map of the area, know your area.

>>33020222
Set up an outhouse above a sewer manhole? Other anon suggested bucket flushing but that's a massive waste of water if you don't have running tap.
Burning is plenty safe with a metal barrel or bucket, just don't make it too big. If the area starts developing again you'd have to start trucking it away to a dump site. Not necessarily an actual dump, just a big lot that you can fill then burn.

>>33029881


Let's go with some sort of economic collapse. money's worthless, trade/commerce has effectively ground to a halt. Complete desperation hasn't set in at this point, and I live in an apartment right next to bike trails (some marked, some unmarked that I know well enough) that can get me a reasonable distance from the city fairly quickly). I figure I've got enough time to either fortify my position or GTFO. what do?

>>33030028
I'll be completely honest with you, and watch many people in this thread are going to jump down my throat, but civilization and everyone and everything usually returns to normalcy pretty fast. Running out with everything on your back and no destination is a great way to just die or lose your stuff or both, unless you have some sort of destination in mind

>>33025240
That's the combo stack that OSHA and CDC recommend, with a P-100 prefilter.

Personally, I stock the multigas cartridge, which does offer OV/AG filtration, along with H2S filtration. It also protects against a bunch of low probability stuff.

I believe the gov recommended stack is the first one they tried that met their standard. There's also the possibility that the multigas cartridge doesn't meet mandated protective timeframes. The first indicator of breakthrough will be death by SLUDGE.

Remember, chem war agents are designed to attack protective gear.

A couple of things to keep in mind- just because I was a hazmat tech doesn't mean that I have access to classified info. I am, however, more inclined to dig deeper into the available information.

Something that I just turned up, you might find interesting-

Lethal dose of the G series nerve gases: 1 to 10 mg via contact, roughly 1.2 mg via inhalation. V class agents look to be roughly 10X the lethality.

The takeaway from this? If you're wearing the jackass CBRN rig I described in one of the earlier threads, move slowly and deliberately. Those Tyvek suits will give you a bellows effect, pumping air in an out through every available opening. Slow that effect down if you're in a potentially contaminated area.

The good news is, if you get dosed and it doesn't kill you, you'll recover.

>>33030150
Well, I'm inclined to agree with you. I do think that there are are some wide-reaching events that could take years to fully recover from.

Nonetheless, I am compelled to call you autistic. The internet requires it. I shall also shout at you.

AM I BEING DETAINED? IT'S NOT A BILL OF NEEDS! I HAVE BROCCOLI IN MY SOCKS! SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

Oh, and name calling. Fgt.

There. Now pick up the shattered bits of your life and hobble through the rest of your existence as best you can. It's nothing personal, kid. You're plenty likeable. There's some things you just can't say on the internet.

>>33030591
*and doesn't kill you at the time.

>>33030780
I mean, I wasn't planning on telling you not to prep, I'm a prepper myself. Buuut what I was going to elaborate on for you was that you should plan on bugging in, lots of food, water, and bullets. The people in these threads planning on building an entire god damn homestead somewhere with meat rabbits, chickens, cows, food, and wine and shit are absolutely batshit crazy IMO

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>>33030928
I think some people are absolutely amazed by how much you are able to do sometimes with very little land. I mean I'm grateful that I have a fair bit of rural land and can somewhat breathe easy but even a quarter, hell a tenth of an acre you can grow a substantial amount of food on top of any stockpiled food, water and equipment

>>33011823

As shown here and in the post linked

>>33031290
Yeah yeah I've seen that meme before lol but first of all, zoning in many areas can make some of that illegal, second of all, its a lot of time, and don't even say move. Not everyone can up and move at the drop of a hat.

>>33031374
Plan... Then move. Alternatively you can get lots of large planters, technically as they will not be dug into the ground they are simply decoration as a statue would be. Or get an allotment, or buy a small patch of land a bit further out and build a small cabin and grow there get some simple plumbing installed, a sprinkler on a timer and leave it be checking on it now and then.

>>33031414
again, I personally don't think that stuff is necessary. I am into prepping but I'm prepared for a regional outage lasting up to about 6 months. I have no time, money, or desire to do much else

>>33031457
Do you have a plan on rationing?

>>33030928
Ok, now I'll do a serious answer. First, I think we can agree that hoarding isn't prepping. We can also agree that real prepping does involve a reasonable amount of stockpiling consumables. Personally, I think that having a 24 month supply of consumables on hand is a reasonable target. It may require some lifestyle changes, which can legitimately be considered a hobby.

There's nothing wrong with stockpiling knowledge and data along with your consumables. I've made mead, lye, and soap. I'm also the former hazmat tech who goes into industrial autism level detail on off the shelf CBRN protection in these threads. I've also done a fair amount of small plot farming.

Chances are that none of this will ever be life critical for me or mine. But I will continue being autistic on the internet for a few reasons. Something I say might help somebody out of a bad spot. I also learn a lot from the back and forth with other anons.

Prepping is more than stocking up and bugging in, although I'm geared up to do just that. At it's base, prepping is a willingness to learn new things and a willingness to try them. Don't knock the anons who want to raise chickens. They'll learn something from the experience.

>>33032885
I'm not knocking anons who have a healthy interest in that stuff. If I had the time and money I'd be messing around with such things too just out of interest. Where I get annoyed, are those raving lunatic preppers that make everyone look nuts. These threads tend to attract these people and I believe that these people make /k/ommandos and gun people look crazy. You can see in the previous threads what I mean. Also I really hate the anons that just tell everyone to go build a INCH bag in response to everything as well. I think that kind of advice will get people killed. I'm not even saying not to have an INCH bag either. I just want to minimize the crazy, and I think encouraging people to prepare for the end of the world is a little alarmist. How you worded thing is fine, learning new homesteading skills is cool, but I just don't want anyone to think that they NEED all of that for SHTF. I stand by my belief that order will be restored within a reasonable surivable amount of time.

>>33033001
>and I believe that these people make /k/ommandos and gun people look crazy.

not an argument. if an outside observer can't differentiate between crazy overboard and sanely prepared and conflates the two, their opinion is to be discarded. we are not here to appease those who may come after our rights and property. those preppers you deem insane have a right to act the way they do. they don't need your approval, nor do we need the approval of anti gunners to own guns.

>>33029973
Ah! That's a good idea, why didn't I think of that... silly me. Thanks anon.

Having to leave my house each time to find a manhole to take a shit in sounds risky though. Perhaps collecting them in a seal-able container and going out to empty it, when it is about full, to reduce the risk will do.

>>33031374
Nobody is saying you have to have your self sufficient, off-grid, zero waste, self-sustaining suburban micro farm right now.

However, it doesn't hurt to have some experience and knowledge of how to grow your own food. If you have a suburban yard, you can grow food crops in one or two planters. This gives you an idea of per-square-foot productivity, effort required, and experience. Pitch it to the neighbors that you're raising some of your own organic vegan food if they give you a hard time. Nobody wants to piss off a vegan.

A couple of planters won't bring in a significant amount, but they give you a starting point against the time that zoning laws mean diddly shit.

You can also look into vertical farming, and some of the other small-space methods. Timewise, put in 8 hours of set up time every other weekend, and 30 minutes per day after work during the week.

Start by collecting an assortment of books on the subject. At least have the knowledge on hand.

If you don't want to go that route, don't.

>>33033001
>If I had the time and money

The more skills you collect, the more you broaden your income options.

>>33033001
See this is something I've never understood, what is meant to go in an inch bag? In my opinion if your building an INCH bag then you need to have a location you are going to and if that's the case a BoB should be fine.

>>33034520
From what I can tell, an INCH bag adds more clothes and food to a BOB. Plus things like a hard drive loaded with copies of your critical documents, more cash, and the originals of all of your critical docs. The definition of critical docs has been expanded to include deeds, mortgages, all account info, trusts, and other ownership papers.

There might be some extra tool weight in there, also.

It looks like an INCH bag is intended to sustain you at a destination while you access gear and supplies. That could mean digging up the buried caches at your cabin, or it could mean getting online and ordering stuff from somebody's spare bedroom.

I would load a lot more into the hard drive. If you're going to carry it, fill it up.

>>33034957
While this does make sense, you can get USB drives now that can hold massive amounts of data in a small space.

If you are going to a location then you should already have supplies, clothing etc there. While yes having to dig up supplies may be a thing I still feel all of this could easily fit in a BoB.

From what I keep seeing INCH bags are just adding unnecessary gear, normally seem to be insanely heavy and half seem completely reliant on a vehicle to transport them. I just don't see the plausibility or reasonable need when the same kit can be put into a smaller package.

Additionally if you own an inch to go and live indefinitely at an undecided location (innawoods) you will likely die.

>>33034957
>>33035076
my INCH extension to my GetHomeBag (I'm going from my place innacity to my parent's farm to meet up with my 2 siblings) is my trauma kit and medicines bag.

>>33035096
So what makes it any different from a BoB, a BoB is simply an extension of a GHB anyway.

>>33035104
the BOB doesn't include my sink. the INCH does in a way, it includes shit I don't expect to be able to find/manufacture, like meds and trauma equipment. I have some ammo here that wuld have to stay in case I leave. I'm thinking about what to do with that. probably will have to live with the fact that I'll be leaving 1.5krds of 556 for a looter in SHTF.

>>33035119
OK now here's my issue and what I see as the overlooked factor in INCH bags. You said you are meeting your two siblings there, so it stands to reason that it is a agreed upon plan that should shtf you rendezvous there. So why not store the kit there in the first place? Why do you need to leave 1500rds? If you have a location you are going to then stick it all there. Hell if they think your crazy just ask if you can store a crate there, put your shit in the, lock it, and shove it in their attic they don't need to know what's in it?

I just can't see the logic in either carrying an incredibly heavy ruck (which will slow you down as well as use unnecessary energy) or having to leave kit behind, if you already have a destination.

I'm not trying to shit on your plan? But it just seems rather I'll thought out.

>>33035144
>I'm not trying to shit on your plan? But it just seems rather I'll thought out.

I have ammo here because that's my shooting/practising ammo which I buy in bulk for cost. I shoot 300rds of 556 a month at least. I store 2500rds at my dad's place already, including a gun. it can't be helped, if I am to practise my shooting hobby before SHTF, when SHTF there is going to be some ammo that I can't take with me left at my place unless I destroy it.

>>33035194
How much ammo will you be carrying on you and how far are you going?

That still doesn't answer the issue of the trauma bag

>>33035214
>How much ammo will you be carrying on you and how far are you going?

My self defense loadout, 12+1 mags of 30rds. Distance is 90km. How much it's really going to be depends on the flavor of SHTF.

>That still doesn't answer the issue of the trauma bag

My trauma bag is like my 2 fire extinguishers, they are there just in case. If there is an accident outside, I grab my bag and go help. I have Chelox and other shit that's good to use on friends but I don't expect to be able to use it on myself. My medicine bag is the same but with antibiotics etc.

>>33035250
I don't see why this med equipment can't be at your parents, do you often run out and put fires out outside your home? Are you planning on putting out fires while bugging out? It seems like a massive amount of unnecessary weight, same goes for the antibiotics.

Maybe if you left some of that kit at your parents you'd be able to take some extra ammo with you rather than leaving it.

>>33035295
yeah, life is tough. I guess I will store the meds at my folk's but that's hardly the weight of 3 loaded 30rds mags.

>>33035327
But that's 90 extra rounds you can take with you and your meds will be safe and secure at your BOL

>>33035339
>But that's 90 extra rounds you can take with you and your meds will be safe and secure at your BOL

still just a drop in the bucket of piss that's 1410rds left at home...

>>33035348
Hey at the end of the day it may only take one extra round to save your life.

>>33035377
Meh, my brother lives in a bigger town than me. I'd hate to have to go bail him out first when SHTF...

>>33035412
If you may need to bail someone out you'll need all the ammo you can get.

If russians invade Ill stock as much rifle ammo as I humanly can, and carry probably a combat load (180) if i was in a fighting position.

If ecnomic collapse or something like that, I think people are over thinking the round count.
Civilization will come back, and anyone you injure or kill you will have to answer for (Even if its self defense).

Personally I doubt id use more than a pistol mag, in a situation like that, if i even had to use it. Now im not innacity or anything like that, the odds someone comes to my neck of the woods is considerably lower.

Anyway I like to have about 500rnds for pistol on rotation along with 1500rnds of rifle. I shoot often, so I just re stock what I shoot. However i am planning on buying a 10/22 and just stocking up around 10k rounds for that, just so when the next gun scare happens I can still plink around and shit

>>33035824
>If russians invade
Hillary pls go to bed, you're sick!

>>33035824
>Russians
Top kek
If you live in the USA you don't have to worry about that

>>33035076
>if you own an inch to go and live indefinitely at an undecided location (innawoods) you will likely die.

Yes. First you're a refugee, then you're a statistic.

I put some thought into how well hoboes will do in a widespread shtf. Not very, it turns out. They'll be the leading edge of the first wave of die offs.

They have minimal resources, and no established base. Their survival skillset depends entirely upon the continued functioning of our society. They're scavengers, human pigeons. The only reason they even exist is because our society produces so much excess that the hobo lifestyle becomes a viable option. Once the grid goes down, they're doomed.

This is what the innawoods crowd are choosing for themselves.

>>33035119
>leaving 1.5krds of 556 for a looter in SHTF.

This is why we have things like Pelican cases and shovels. Put it at least 4 feet down, record the gps location. Also shoot bearings to landmarks or landscape features.

Anything you can't take always gets cached. Then you build a shitty ache and leave it someplace where it'll be found. Something like a couple of .50 cal boxes full of cans of tuna and jars of peanut butter. Do a slightly better job of hiding the one that's got the old .22 pistol and 4 boxes of ammo.

Don't bury your fake cache. Do something like leave it in the heater enclosure, behind the heater but with a corner sticking out.

Looters take the easy stuff. They won't put in a lot of work on something unless they know there's a big payoff.

>>33037076
Honestly I'd say rather than using GPS use a map and compass, chances are the batteries may die, satellites could be out of commission, signal issues. It's sometimes better to go old school by marking on your map and using that along with glyphs that only you understand to get back to it.

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