Prep Thread General /PrTG/

>>32963130
So my plan is to bug in, I've heard loads of people say they are going to go live innawoods but do any of you really honestly believe you could survive with just your Bob indefinitely?

>>32963195
Bugging out is basically a meme. Unless your bugging out to a location already prepped, or say a natural disaster is inbound and you 'bug out' to a family member in another state or whatever.

Anyone who plans on bugging out with a bag for a prolonged situation will be dun goofed.

With that being said, I think it makes total sense to have a bag you COULD bug out with. On the off chance you have to leave your property or travel to a neighbors or family members house, I think it would be benefical to have it with you. For example my family members live in towns 30Min away, if I had to drive to them during a 'grid down' situation, I could just put my 'BOB' in my vehicle and that way god forbid something happened, id have it.

But honestly, like most SHTF its a meme. So me personally I have a bag that I keep all my camping/hiking stuff in, and thats my 'bob'. I just use it camping all the time.

>>32963130
I have family that have shit tons of food, water, and ammo stockpiled. They also got a small garden and greenhouse, and live decently out of town, so if anything happens relatively soon, I'll make my way back home. If something happens while I'm in Vegas, then I don't know what the fuck I'm gonna do.

>>32963251
I agree completely having a bob in case of emergency is always a good thing whether you are hoping on a 3 day hike for supplies or if god forbid you have to bug out.

While SHTF may be not the most likely I don't think it's a meme as we have seen multiple times when shit has gone down. One powerful solar flare could not only cripple the USA but potentially the planet.

Anyone who doesn't use their Bob for camping is an idiot. You need to learn all the quirks of your kit and it'll save potentially vital minutes when having to do it under pressure.

>>32963308
What are you going to bring to the table?

>>32963195
I'm working on an INCH bag. Preferably I'll have somewhere to go but I'd like to have the best chance of surviving longterm innawoods.

>>32963397
what is an INCH bag?

>>32963336
He could bring reliable manning. Bugging in can involve having to secure your area 24/7 and that may drastically interfere with other functions of the group such as raising animals or growing food.

IRL survival is a group effort. Relatives are known quantities.

>>32963439
I'm never coming home. Basically when you find epic loot on guys in fallout and it's in a duffle bag... It's these guys.

>>32963461
In a shtf situation everyone needs to be able to have multiple qualities, while family is important I would expect every one of them to hunt, pull sentry, tend the garden, perform maintenance at a bare minimum know basic first aid and how to shoot. Simply having one guy that'll sit there will just leave to tension especially if he has no real specialist quality.

Is a 10/22 really too small for SHTF? Yes there will be people out there that could outgun you, but on the plus side you could get a lot more ammo stocked up and weight savings are pretty good.

>>32963439
>>32963469
What this guy said. Basically the equipment needed to set up a pretty permanent base innawoods in one bag. Not advised for the type of kommandos who want to play operator in shtf.

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How well would pic related function if Yellowstone were to blow and rain metric fucktonnes of volcanic ash all across the western US?

>>32963770
>if
surely you meant when, boyo

they'll do fine, just keep extra cartridges with you. one for every day of exposure if you're outdoors, at least. i doubt the ash would be fine enough to get through, but it would saturate the filter with use.

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>>32963634
Have you ever been shot at and not heard the shot until after the round impacts? That's what is going be happening and your .22lr will only reach 100 meters. Don't lose your life because you wanted more ammo and less weight, Get one for hunting and a rifle for fight that is atleast as powerful as 5.56 NATO

>>32964463
>5.56 NATO
>Not 7.39x39
It's like you don't even want to pop plate carriers.

>>32963770
would range from good to go to not at all depending on circumstance. volcanic eruption can kick up sulfur dioxide that may rain down as sulfuric acid.

>>32965075
>pop plate carriers
What are tungsten tipped rounds Jerry.

>>32965127
>What are tungsten tipped rounds Jerry.
they are something you heard about on the intertubs but have never actually seen or will ever own.

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>>32965168
>yfw I own and use them at work every time we go to the range

>>32963130
nutnfancy is literally half the reason ars are so popular. he's done a lot for the gun community.

>>32965075
get a 7.62 nato and be a real man, not some commie sks fud.

>>32963329
>Anyone who doesn't use their Bob for camping is an idiot
Funnily my camping/hunting bag IS my BoB as a secondary purpose

>>32963336
Not that anon, but another pair of reliable hands is priceless. Watchstanding, tending crops, working around the place- there's always more work than people to do it.

That's one thing that everybody seems to overlook in these threads. When shtf, a lot of compromises are going to have to be made. Taking care of food, water, shelter, security, and medical care becomes a full time, round the clock occupation. Focus on one means that the others have to slide. This is why it's critical to be part of a community. One person can't do it all.

I live on the 10th floor of a multistory building (it goes up to 19 floors). Highly urban, tropical area and guns are unfortunately banned where I live. I could fashion a weapon by tying a knife to the end of a pole.

My plan is to board the doors and windows, lay broken glass in front of my door and a trip wire behind the door connected to a bucket full of legos balanced on a chair or something, as an alarm should the door be opened. Then I'd turn on every tap in the house and collect as much water as possible, before the water supply is cut. I have dried food stored. I'd sit indoors and wait for shit to die down, while occupying my time by moon-shining.

Does this sound good? Anything I could improve on?

>>32965357
>tropical area
or, you could grow those diabolic types of chili pepper in pots and fashion yourself blinding pepper spray with the help of co2 cartridge powered spray guns?

>>32963397
Start looking for your BOL now. Just roaming into the wilderness is how you become a statistic. INCH bag is good for getting set up at your new location, it's not a magic mobile home on your back.

The difference between a BOB and an INCH is, a BOB is for when your destination is prepared. An INCH is for when your destination is entirely or mostly unimproved. In both cases, you need to have a set destination.

>>32965395
Being stuck on the 10th floor in a highly urban area makes farming difficult, I'm afraid.

Should I need ranged weapons, I believe I could fashion a slingbow out of a rubber tubing and a section of PVC pipe. I do already own 2 slingshots and a toy cross-bow, which I am fairly certain I can make into a weapon if I improved the string, added a scope or sights and used actual arrows. It would at least wound.

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>>32965482
>Being stuck on the 10th floor in a highly urban area makes farming difficult, I'm afraid.

you can't set up 3 pots and prow peppers in your window? the rest of your post is childish wishful thinking. get a pointy sword and sharpen it well. there are few things as commanding as a needle point aimed at somebody's eye.

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>>32965501
sword works best in conjuction with a shield. the small cold steel medieval buckler is a weapon in its own right.

>>32965501
>3 pots and grow peppers
I could, but making them into paper spray is too far out. Probably best for trading. Spices would always be in demand.

>get a pointy sword
Weapons are illegal here, sides I don't really know how to sword fight. A knife tied to the end of a pole is probably the best I've got...

>>32965544
Also I am more adapt at pole weapons

>>32963770
It's got the wrong filters. You'll need a multigas combo of H2S and acid gas filtration, with a P-100 prefilter for the ash.

>>32963497
>Simply having one guy that'll sit there will just leave to tension especially if he has no real specialist quality.

If he's just sitting there, you're in failure mode. If you can't come up with 10 hours of general labor per day per unskilled person, you're not thinking this all the way through.

You're never going to be able to put and keep together your perfect fantasy dream team. You have to work with what you have, which NCOs have been doing since before the Roman legions. The other part of the equation is, people aren't mind readers. If you see something that needs doing, you either do it yourself or communicate the fact to somebody else. If somebody is just sitting on their ass, the communication loop has broken.

>>32965264
Damn straight son as it should be.

>>32965279
A reliable pair of hands yes but someone sitting there going "I dunno how to do that" doesn't help anyone

>>32965414
The one issue with inch bags is in reality you should already have a BoL as well as kit stored there. You can't carry everything you need in one bag.

>>32965537
GG buddy what is gun?

Would studying up on small unit combat tactics be useful and the ability to teach this information to others?

I have a feeling that if SHTF my team would likely need to be able to push out beyond my home on patrols for supplies. In order to keep security at home while being able to send out patrols it would have to be small man teams.

>>32967223

Patrolling (Danger Areas/How to cross/Respond to contact/etc)

Check Points

Over watch positions/LP/OP

These IMO are key elements of SHTF operating. You wont be able to teach people proper MOUT operations, or like in depth shit. It takes too much time to learn that stuff.

>>32966866
That person becomes the dishwasher and general day labor. If they flat out refuse, because muh dignity or other bullshit, then their allocation of resources throttles down to match their contribution.

If they're family, they get 2 bowls of plain oatmeal per day. A bare foam pad in the corner to sleep on. That's it. They get it made clear to them that they have to work just like everybody else if they want more. If they still want to be a parasite after a week of oatmeal, give them a jacket and a peanut butter sandwich and point them in the direction of the nearest FEMA camp.

Lets say you live in a 10rnd state or in a place with restrictions. When SHTF, assuming it isnt russians invading shit. Should you still comply to these rules? On the off chance that you had to return fire on someone, chances are that civ. will be restored, and anyone who had to protect themselves during that time will have to answer for their actions.

Does "Martial law" allow you some more room? Or no. Again this is assuming like a natural disaster, and not like a full nuclear invasion, in which case OBVIOUSLY youd just do whatever you could to survive.

>>32965544
>making them into paper spray is too far out

It's not rocket surgery. Chop the peppers, including seeds, into a Mason jar. Add cheap vodka until the peppers are covered. Put the lid on, put the jar in the back of a closet and forget about it for a week.

A week later, decant the pepper-vodka through a coffee filter into a spray bottle. If you want to thicken it up a little to give it more range and cling, add a couple of tablespoons of glycerine.

Now you have pepper spray.

>>32965482
Rooftop and vertical farming are both a thing. There are whole books dedicated to both practices.

The quickest way to do vertical farming is to get a pallet, stand it on edge. Nail or screw on a couple of supports so it stays that way. Stuff a bunch of bags of potting soil into the inside cavities of the pallet. Poke holes in the bags from the outside, plant seeds in the holes. 3 months later you won't even be able to see the pallet because of all of the plant growth.

You can get 2 or 3 of these onto even a tiny balcony.

>>32967252
Yeah that's what I'm thinking maybe basic things like a SALUTE report so we are all uniform on the best way to communicate with one another as well. As time goes on maybe I would teach more but I think just having everyone on the same page will be beneficial especially if you do end up in a potential combat situation

>>32967297
Well if you don't just unload 30 rounds all at once how will they know you have anything more than a ten round mag?

>>32966866
Dude, tending to a garden, feeding animals, cleaning their stalls, and checking fence lines, are not refined skills. Anyone can learn how to do all those things in less than the course of an afternoon. Glamorous work? No. But they're not tasks so dirty or degrading that someone's not going to do them. The only trouble with those tasks is when an animal gets sick, or when your crop gets hit with an infestation, and even then, so long as you have even one person who knows how to manage these problems, the information can be easily translated to another person to carry them out. It doesn't take an incredible amount of training to give an animal a shot of antibiotics, or spray the appropriate amount of pesticides on plants. Hell, even a busted fence can be fixed by anyone, so long as you don't care how pretty it looks.

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new subtopic: short/long wave radios

will the tecsun 310et for $50 good enough to make due?

post your comms/radios

>>32968306
also are there better options? like a crystal radio? and how do things like baofengs fit in?

What's a basic bitch intro to those food buckets? I have a wife and a kid on the way and I want them to be able to be fed for awhile if SHTF.

>>32969358
I'd ask for a refund before both of them get to you.

>>32968055
>are not refined skills

I can make penicillin. Is that a refined skill?

>>32969405
Couple that with lye making, and brewing/distilling. Now you're set up for soap making, biodiesel production, vinegar production, and probably a few other things. The oil source for the soap/biodiesel can come from peanuts or sunflowers. Byproduct of extraction can be used as high quality animal feed, or disaster food for humans.

If you decide to use sunflowers, the stalks can be processed into a type of linen. Less processing gets you paper, which also needs lye and vinegar to produce.

See how it all ties together? Making penicillin is just the start. Iirc, you can make old school insulin if you have sheep or pigs, some high school tier chemistry gear, and ice.

Run a generator on biodiesel, dedicate a freezer to nothing but ice production, have an icehouse, and be known far and wide as the shtf chemist.

>>32969358
http://wessonresearch.org/?gclid=CL6PvrKxi9ICFQ9Efgodtz8J2A

>>32969924
>See how it all ties together? Making penicillin is just the start. Iirc, you can make old school insulin if you have sheep or pigs, some high school tier chemistry gear, and ice.

yes, yeast is the starting point. penicillin I could make with regular shit every beer brewery has. insulin is more tricky but would work along the same lines. you need lots of animals for the "old school" method and feeding and housing those would be more difficult than just trasgenic yeast...

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>>32969964
>http://wessonresearch.org/?gclid=CL6PvrKxi9ICFQ9Efgodtz8J2A
Thank you anon, much appreciated

>>32967297
Martial law is about keeping control of a population using simple and direct methods. In a widespread shtf scenario, martial law will be rigidly enforced in urban areas and anyplace where agribiz got nationalized for the duration. Also probably around critical infrastructure- power plants, reservoirs and waterworks, airports, and the like.

Civ populations under martial law can expect to see a lot of restrictions. Keep your guns and supplies hidden. Sparsely populated rural areas can expect to be left mostly to their own devices. Maybe a weekly patrol, and zero support or aid. If they need food or medical care, they have to check into the nearest FEMA camp. Good luck getting back out.

>watching doomsday preppers
>guy is talking about a solar flare is GOING to happen in 2012 and will cause massive SHTF
>look at clock
>2017
>???????????????
>sigh

>>32970170
Solar flares are agenuine threat to the planet as a whole though. NASA predicts that we will be hit by a massive one within the next ten years, hell we narrowly avoided one a few years back by a matter of weeks

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>>32969387

>>32970200
what do solar flares do

>>32970018
>you need lots of animals

Which is why you colocate with a pig, goat, or sheep farm. Insulin is just another product that you get from the same animal that gives you chops, leather, sausage, and glue. Part of their feed can be the byproduct from the oil extraction line.

Yes, it'll be labor intensive. There'll be nothing automated about any part of any of the processes. That's one of the reasons why you try to have as many different processes as possible. Waste stream or by product from one process becomes feedstock for the next product.

>>32970259
EMP

How much prepping is too much or too little prepping

>>32970259
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/10/29/white-house-releases-action-plan-to-confront-real-and-present-space-weather-threats/

If you want the shorter version it's a massive wave of protons and electrons that are ejected by the sun which, once it passes through the Earth's atmosphere, will fry electrical systems planet wide if they are unprotected. Which the majority of the US grid is.

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>>32971403
>To much prepping

>>32971403
That's a variable, determined by your own circumstances.

Overview: prepping means being able to provide for your own food, water, shelter, safety/security, and basic medical needs for some period of time. US government says 72 hours is sufficient, Mormons say 1 year is good. IMO, 2 years is about right. It's the best balance between having an unmanageable hoard and maybe dying in a famine because your first round of crops failed.

the first thing you're going to do is start building a reference library. Real books, that you can read by candlelight if necessary. The first book you want to get is The Encyclopedia of Country Living by Carla Emery.

Then, in no particular order and spieling off my own bookshelf from faulty memory-
-The Handbook of Chemistry and Physics
-Chilton or Haynes repair manuals for every car you own
-The complete book of butchering, smoking, curing, and sausage making
-the Ball blue book
-stocking up, the complete guide to preserving food, volumes 1 through 3
-assorted textbooks on carpentry, welding, blacksmithing, furniture and cabinet making
-Sunset gardening book, the one for crops not ornamentals
-the green pharmacy by Dr. James Duke
-the Merck Manual
-the Merck Veterinary Manual
-at least 3 different reloading manuals, from 3 different publishers
-textbooks on water and wastewater treatment
-random textbooks on chemistry, biology, economics, algebra, calculus, government, accounting, jewelry making (the real stuff, not hippy bead shit), off-grid electrical systems, farming, and animal husbandry.
I know I'm forgetting a few titles and categories, but you get the idea. If you don't have the knowledge for something, make sure you know where you can find that knowledge.

Secondhand stores and thrift shops are a great resource to get a lot of these books for a few bucks. Whenever you buy a book for your collection, spend an evening browsing through it. You'll be surprised at how much sticks to your memory.

>>32973522
I will add to this, I personally think two years is reasonable but in the best case you would have two years worth of supply and the means to never go below that. By that I mean as you use food you have the capability, whether that be by fishing, farming or hunting to restock your pantry with food, even if that means saving your stored food and eating the more perishable crops first if you are unable to can or smoke it. Though why you wouldn't be able to do that is beyond me.

>>32963770
You might as well prepare for a nuclear winter if you are down wind of it. Bunker with lots of comfort food or your fucked.

>>32968306
You are going to want something with sideband. I would try to find something a little nicer.

>Learn how to make a good antena and keep supplies on hand

>store radio with your antenna detached in a faraday cage just incase EMP

>>32967325
Well, now I know, thanks for that.

>>32965264
How does a city slicker who has never even been camping a day in his life such as myself even begin to start? I feel retarded.

>>32963251

natural disaster is by far the most likely prepper scenario to actually happen. it happens all the damn time.

>>32969405
Wait how can you make penicillin? I want to learn

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There are tons of books on like tactical stuff but I have yet to find a book that properly explains how to set up and maintain a good watch over a static position (like a neighborhood in a valley) with patrols and where to post sentries and where to build fortifications and shit like that. That is what I want to know.

>>32965544

>weapons are illegal here

Where do you live? Cuba??

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>>32963130
>Bug in waifu
What's the point of even surviving if you don't have one of these?

Seriously though, I got a suggestion earlier to get body armor to improve my survivability, but where would you even get that for a civilian, and how affordable and effective would it be?

>>32977632
First of all, how long have you been on k, and second of all, are you an American? Because fuck loads of American /k/ommandos such as myself have body armor, it's posted in the gear queer threads, and if you're American you can buy body armor on the internet

>>32977661
Unfortunately not, I got my IV ceramic plates from a friend. There are tons of companies though, anything level IV ceramic is best, make sure you measure your torso and find the right size. The cheapest I have ever seen is 100 dollars a plate for Black Friday specials. I personally like ar500 steel plates even if they are more expensive and less protective solely because they can never expire.

>>32965279
>This is why it's critical to be part of a community.
>hmm should I let this complete stranger in with my supplies and family

>>32977426
Moldy bread

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>>32977696
Sounds good, thanks for the help anon.

>>32977701
I mean, I'd like to think that if was alone during SHTF some strangers would adopt me, I'm handsome and strong lel. Gimmie a shovel and put me to work and let me date your daughter after everyone trusts me after a couple months

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If anyone is looking for a good fiction book I recommend this

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>>32965279
I'm not really trusting strangers in a SHTF situation, what I'm gonna do is gather up the family, then gather up the extended family, then gather up THEIR extended family, until we can't find no more people who are related by blood. I probably won't know most of the people I'm working with at that point, but I can trust them not to kill me or run off with my stuff at least.

>>32977752

Can you?

>>32977364
Store food, water and weapons. Read survival guide book. Learn some basic farming.

>>32977624
Singapore.

I'm looking to get a bulletproof/stabproof vest, what's a typical weight for a good one? I'm in the UK and my area is thankfully not too rough but you never know when SHTF. I saw one on eBay that is 3.2kg, is that about right?
Roughly how much should I spend?

>>32977584
Read .mil PUBs. Google USMC patrolling PUB, you'll find plenty of good info in there.

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>>32978462
Yup. Think of it like this, every single person in that group is going to have someone they know and love keeping them from just stealing and running off, and since I may not know my uncle but I know my dad loves him I'm not gonna do anything to hurt either of them.

Besides, 80% of the family is a bunch of Pentecostal conservatives from Arkansas, what conflicts could there possibly be that would cause such betrayal?

>>32978692
I think I still have my one over in the UK it was a level 3A covert vest that went under clothing I'll have to have a look if it's still over there.

When it comes to strangers I think it'll have to come down to a case by case basis. I'd like to try and set up trade routes with other communities if possible to begin trying to rebuild some form of infrastructure. But I'm not just going to let someone walk into my home without any sort of security.

>>32977701
You're either trolling or not thinking it through all the way. You should have a short list of friends, family, and neighbors who you would approach after shtf regarding combining resources.

If you're pulling random strangers off the street to stand watch while you set up your water purification rig, you're not very well prepared and will probably die.

And if it turns out that you do have to pull somebody off the street, because maybe some of the people you were counting on got swept up into the camps or whatever, you'd better have put some thought into what tells and indicators you're looking for. Example: rule out anybody who doesn't have a wedding ring.

Get to know the people around you before you need to rely on them in a critical event.

>>32977752
> I probably won't know most of the people I'm working with at that point, but I can trust them not to kill me or run off with my stuff at least.

In some respects, you have an ideal situation. Don't be too trusting of distant relatives who you don't know, they're going to have different motivations and views than yours. Be like Reagan- trust but verify.

>>32979208
>what conflicts could there possibly be that would cause such betrayal?

Historically? Sex. Uncle Joe's wife and Cousin Norma's teenage son could find they have some chemistry together. They'll do the stupidest things to scratch that itch.

>>32980110
This is definitely an issue, shit, people kill over this stuff normally can you imagine if you add the stress of a SHTF on top of that?

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Without sounding like a massive faggot, would a cloak be a useful thing to have at home if you are bugging in? You can get ones now that are heavy duty, warm, windproof and waterproof and would be relatively easy to repair. If you live out in the country would a cloak be something useful?

>>32981645
why

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>>32963634
>>32964463
People talk a lot of crap about Kel Tec, but this is damn near the perfect SHTF rifle. This in addition to a 10/22 and some form of 9mm or .40 cal pistol and you'd be set.

>>32977364
Find a friend who has been and ask them to take you camping and teach you some stuff.

>>32978493
>Singapore
>Asian Cuba

>>32975106
>>store radio with your antenna detached in a faraday cage just incase EMP

quick tip for people who don't know what a faraday cage is, it's a box that will protect electronics from getting fried during n EMP attack. The simplest way to get one is to buy an old microwave from a yard sale. The damn thing doesn't even have to work. You can even find them on the "free" section of Craigslist. Just get an old microwave, put some flashlights, batteries, radio and any other electronics you might want to preserve and put them inside. DO NOT plug the damn thing in the wall though. Your best bet is to put it in a corner of an inside closet.

>>32981672
Rugged, hard wearing, warm, could offer a simple shelter or wrap yourself and sleep in it. It has a lot of potential uses if you use your imagination

>>32972878
>Which the majority of the US grid is.
No it isn't actually.

>>32981824
You said bugging in, sure a cloak could do all those things, but worse than others. You'd be better of with a bunch of goretex stuff

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My grab and go mask kit. I have about 10 of these in various sizes. I get all of the stuff from work for free. In each bag is a half face respirator. 3 of the regular pink particle filters. A set of chlorine gas cartridges. Organic vapor cartridges. And acid gas cartridges.

May not be the best but in a pinch it would definitely help

>>32981595
In a bass ackward way, this brings us around to another big issue that nobody ever brings up- who's going to be in charge, using what system?

The dictator model works for a very small group, dealing with an urgent and emergent situation. The actual shtf event, in other words. Once the situation stabilizes, or the group starts growing, you'll need to install something a little more complex than the strongman or warlord system. It may work for gang bangers and in Third World hellholes, it's not something that can be culturally adapted to middle class America. Lots of wanna be Col. Kurtz types will try it, and then find out what happens when they need to sleep.

It's just not a good model for cooperative survival. Neither is straight up democracy, because everybody will be getting bogged down in voting on what time dinner is, while the chow hall is burning down. I don't think there's a perfect answer, but I suspect it may involve a weighted balloting system along with elected leadership.

The elected leadership handles the routine chores of running a small community, plus providing direction in emergency situations.

The weighted ballot system gives a voice to all contributing members of the community, allocating greater importance to those members who make a greater contribution. It won't be multipliers, but cumulative. For instance, if you have a doctor in your group, he gets a vote as a contributing person, then 10 additional votes because of his critical skill. The farmer who donated his 40 acre farm to the community, plus all seed and equipment, and his expertise, also gets 11 total votes. Skilled tradespeople would get 3-5 additional votes, and so on. The system would have to be fine tuned by the people actually involved in it.

Weighted votes only matter when debating issues of policy, and when deciding on a course of action for the community. In elections, it's just 1 vote per member.

Now lets see how many anons I just triggered.

>>32982741
I mean as much as using The Walking Dead as an example triggers the more autistic browers of this board, I feel like most people will just end up having a Rick. A benevolent leader who just sort of took charge because he knew what he was doing and everyone listens because he's doing a good job. Key word would be benevolent.

>>32981825
>What are power lines?
Yes a fuck ton of the us grid is completely unprotected especially when talking about the levels of electromagnetic radiation that would result from a solar flare.

>>32982843
well the good news is that the government is aware of it, some congressmen are deeply concerned about the hardening of our infrastructure, that being said, I don't think fuck all is being done about it right now

>>32981825
>Power lines

But where are UR PROOFS

GIB PROOFS FOR UR CLAIM

>>32982834
The patriarch model works for small groups, and slightly larger family groups. The problem with it is, the single guy in charge can make mistakes. He can also burn out. If he dies or gets sick, the group is screwed. Having a mechanism in place for installing, advising, and removing leaders lends itself to more stability.

>>32982886
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/government-industry-studying-threat-nuclear-emp-attack-electric-grid/

It literally states that they are using outdated systems and that after investigation squirrels do a fuck ton of damage by gnawing through cables. Do you really think it's hardened against EMPs?

>>32982886
>>32982919
Sorry wasn't meant to link that to your comment.

>>32982899
nothing to argue with there lol. Obviously you gotta have lieutenants

>>32982741
Honestly I'm going to try and do it as democratically as possible working on what would be best for the group, of course as we are planning on amassing at my home I'll probably have final say.

On that note however I think it also comes down to individual skills. People with military or combat experience should have more say in security/defensive/offensive matters, while those in healthcare final say in medical situations etc.

Honestly I'm thankful because most of my team all seem to be on the same wavelength when we talk about it. That's not to say that we won't have our issues but I think we may be OK.

>>32965482
you don't need to be super killer man, you just need to be better armed than the people around you.

just be prepared to escalate beyond the daka that people could hypothetically throw at you.
a spear is probably the best non-powered weapon

>>32965537
if he's ready with a spear, he's going to kill buckler/sword man quickly.

>>32981645
bugging in? nope

but it's probably good for bugging out. After all, people wore those stupid things up until a few hundred years ago.

probably the best you can do, if you don't mind looking funny and have no idea where you're going to sleep tonight

>>32983032
What about if you have to save middle earth by taking the ring to Mordor and casting it into the fires of Mt Doom from whence it was forged?

>>32983032
no no no no literally why, for bugging IN its fine since its like a robe, for bugging out you need MODERN shit. Why would you want to go out looking like a fucking sperg. There are better modern materials out there

>>32983166
Military cloak?

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>>32983134
> staff is reasonable substitute for flashlight
> staff is passable substitute for handgun
> cloak will sub for tent and rain gear

i mean, you look like a cosplay but 5 years after de habbening i predict everybody will be doing it

>>32983198
I mean, lets just keep saying this is about bugging in, so you have the ability to go and change clothes periodically. Hazard 4 makes a softsell poncho. manwithnoname/10 but again, why? Your hands could get caught under it trying to draw. Why not just wear a regular jacket with your gear on the outside? And if its raining you want something actually fully waterproof. Trust me, I have been outside in super nice tactical softshell water resistant shit. It doesn't hold up for any longer than 10 minutes before you a soaked. A old wool cloak would be miserable although yes, it still would retain like 80% body heat or something

>>32977397
Texas fag here, 2 hurricanes in my short time span where having had prepping supplies made the difference

>>32965075
considering that 7.62x51 AP wont be piercing my plates anytime soon, I dont think your shitty slavaboo caliber would do you any good

>>32983211
It'll also help hide you from unfriendly eyes

>>32965357
some sort of quick repelling in case of a fire/seige

>>32963130
What you are prepping for (Ranked in order of probability)
1) Natural Disaster
2) Economic Collapse
3) Electrical Grid Shutdown
4) Food/Water Rationing
5) War
6) Nuclear War
7) Zombies

In almost all of these situations, Bugging in > Bugging Out. Bugging in prepping is relatively easy, and can be done in an apartment building, a house, or a full on bunker setup.

1) Store 1week+ worth of bottled water and canned, non-perishable food in house
2) Learn how to grow potatoes (Hint: it's easy)
3) Have a medical kit, an learn how to use everything in it. Bandages, combat gauze, sterile water/saline, splints, antiseptics, and above all GLOVES.
4) Learn and master your means of escaping if you have to. Have a plan - Where to meet, where to hide, etc.

The most likely government response to any major disaster is going to be something along the lines of The Divison. National Guard, Police, Fire, EMS forming a task force to secure areas and provide food/shelter/safety. I am honestly hard pressed to imagine a situation in which the response would be a total "Every man for himself". Regardless of the federal government sucking cock, the local governments generally give a shit about people.

>>32983496
truth, even in the most apocalyptic of scenarios throughout history, civilization is usually restored relatively quickly.

>>32983496
1 EMP/grid failure
2 Natural disaster
3 economic collapse
4 war
5 nuclear war

I'm not even going to bother with zombies I have a gun.

>>32983555
While I would agree, never in human history have we been so dependant on factors outside of our own control.

Power, water, food.

Long gone are the days where everyone would have a well and easy access to passable water. Food that we import and transport around the country and in from other countries.

If the Grid, in the greater sense of the term, goes down I doubt there will be any fast restoration. I'm looking at years.

>>32983644
I realistically not worried about control not being restored in any longer than 3-6 months. After that I would start to have problems, priority #1 being growing crops that can thrive in a semi arid (Southern California) environment.

I always dream of owning a nice slice of property with a normal looking house but secretly its just super prepared for "the apocalypse" like the whole house being made of geopolymer concrete, or roman concrete with stucco so its normal, a steel roof with spanish tiles over it, but then its designed to be cold school comfy even without energy. Like to stay cool there would be high roofs, vents for letting a breeze through the house, a cistern and well for water, enough land for farming. This is full blown autism though.

>>32968306
dubyadubyadubya.yaletowndestroyers.com/products/baofeng-uv-5r-innawoods-special

>>32983669
I live out in the country so I'm likely not going to get any government support if shit goes down hence I have a stockpile which should last 2 years

>>32983710
I don't see why there would be any issue with that.

>>32983750
I'm like rural suburban but we'd probably be able to get drops, we are right under a major flight path for military helicopters and for commercial flights

>>32983765
Just make sure you have a means of signalling them.

Smoke grenades, signal mirrors, cyalumes

>>32983755
Well I'd love it but everything would be custom, like no one makes houses like that anymore lol

>tfw nobody in your town is into prepping, or they're smart and keep it well hidden

The only people around here I feel like I could even begin to trust is my buddies I went to highschool with. They all have firearms and everything like that, but none of them know shit about prepping, nor do they have an interest in leaning. Breaks my heart.

>>32983782
I'll admit it, you're not alone anon.
If I ever won the lottery I'd spend it all on autistic preps like a bunkerhouse

>>32983800
Find a way to make it interesting, hell if you have to play the retarded zombie Shtf scenario then do it

>>32983800
>>32983822
I am slowly converting my friends. Most of them have get home bags in their cars now. Its not even hard, you can buy like a can of food every time you grocery shopping and then over time you just have tons of food sitting around.

>>32977364
Bag
Shelter
2 sources of reliable fire
Food
Water

Everything else is a luxury

>>32983782
build it yourself, get an insulated concrete form home to start if doing the whole thing sounds impossible.

>>32984002
lol I don't have the time, money, skills, or property.

Suppose you had a solar pannel array on your property to cut downonyour pwer bill. Then emp hits and the grid goes down. Would that affect your array at all or no?

>>32983967

No knife? Are you a retard or some thing?

>>32984245
Potentially but there are ways to protect it, have a way to disconnect your home from the grid maybe, or have a way to insulate them maybe a portable faraday cage to pace over it?

>>32984245
emp probably wouldn't damage it if it was separate from the grid

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>>32982834
>Rick
>benevolent
>destroy famly bc you want to fuck the mom
>benevolent

incompetent is more the word you are looking for.

>>32982987
Sounds good, maybe some armor would help as well. Would a motorcycle helmet be good enough?

>>32983453
I'm just afraid I might get hit while climbing down, or have an angry mob waiting for me when I touch down. I'll try and make my place look inconspicuous or something. Hopefully then, no one would want to siege it. Now that you mention, I should also prepare fire fighting equipment.

>>32981813
Thanks, great advice.

>>32963195
People that want to live in the woods are retarded.
It's good to have a bag with a few days worth of supplies to get you to a better location though, if needed.
Or a bug out bag for people that have a chance of natural disasters like hurricanes and shit. Something to make evacuation less of a hassle.
Bugging in should be a priority in most cases.

Sadly most "preppers" just stock up on guns and ammo.
You need water. A lot of fucking water.
And dehydrated and/or canned food stored in a cool dry place. Like a storage bin with a couple dessicants.
Learn what canned foods last the longest. You need meat (spam and tuna) veggies (peas and spinach) and fruit like peaches. Make sure you are stocking up on low acidic food because they last longer.
Stock up on vitamins. C and D are very important to stay in good general health but you should stock up a variety.
And simple medicine like immodium and acetaminophen. Learn which pills last longest.
Properly stored canned foods and most medicine (not in gelcap or liquid form) last yearseason, even decades after "expiratio"

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We are taking over this abandoned train tunnel and turning into a bar/bunker

haven't began retrofitting it cause we are doing some preliminary work on the outside but we plan on turning it into a bunker/bar/guesthouse. Waifu for size is only 5' tall.

part of the rebuilding we are going to supply a library, physic and chemistry are top priority, next is maps, almanacs of course for our astronomy, "How to rebuild the world from scratch" from Lewis, engineering books, some hunting and survival bits, agriculture, and the rest we are going to fill up with human history and culture.

I know this may sound stupid and make me a target but I'm planning on still flying the flag at my home when shit goes down. I want it to eventually become a symbol for any allies or other communities to know that if they see it we are friendly, or at least as friendly you can be in the situation.

>>32987849
Honey also lasts nearly forever and can be crystallized and vacuum sealed. consider it an alternative to sugar.

>>32987984
What about food and clean water. Books are good but you still need to actually survive to appreciate them.

Also what do you mean by agriculture?

>>32988007
>Not keeping bees
I am planning on becoming the king of the bees my son.

>>32963195
>do any of you really honestly believe you could survive with just your Bob indefinitely?

I'm not sure it counts as a true bug out location, but I own a large chunk of property on a sizeable river. I have been slowly building a barn and later will build a house, but thats where I am planning on going. In the event of SHTF a fish wheel could be constructed fairly easily and based on my estimates would be able to provide me (and several others) with a steady supply of fish. I plan on raising cattle and hogs, so there is another source of food, but I'm still hurting for carbs.

My pole barn is done on the outside and would be able to house close to 30 people, although I only plan on having a maximum of 21 (my family).

For me prepping is more about learning new skills and working on my house. I occasionally get good ideas from these threads and since im doing all the work myself it doesn't cost all that much to implement them. Once I'm done building I will probably abandon the whole prepping thing, but for now its a nice way to distract me from the boring parts of construction.

>>32988007
That's a good idea.
But if you want to keep sugar around keep stuff to clean your teeth.
Don't want you teeth rotting out.
Hygiene is comfort.
Comfort is king when SHTF.

>>32988015
4 55 gallon food trade drums of water, with a local creek near by.

Food is still something we are working out. but we do have a seed bank already up and started with plenty of species of edible plants, also hemp and cannabis for utility and recreation respectively.

Books on agriculture, going to be important to rebuild civilization.

>>32988161
Hey learn to still liquor.
Water
Sugar (or honey)
And yeast (potatoes have a bunch)
You can throw all that in a clean bucket and let it ferment if you want.
But it's best to still it into moonshine.
To be used for medical purposes, recreation, fuel, or trading.

And it's so sterile (if you have a good still you can make 95% alcohol) that in a clean Mason jar I don't see how it could go bad.

>>32988212
Honey and water do a fine job of fermenting, all by themselves. Honey has tons of yeasts, if it hasn't been pasteurized. That's how you make mead, with honey and water. I used to make the fuck out of mead.

Beets are a good source of sugar, if you want to really start kicking out industrial quantities of shine. Among other things, it's a precursor to biodiesel.

>>32988364
That's cool man I didn't know that about honey. Thanks for the tip.

For you Yanks.
(Not sure about us aussies or anyone else).
Executive order 10998 by Barrack Obama in an emergency section c. Fema can and will take everything you have stockpiled by force, so the lazy can be fed. Read about it. Id be hiding my shit elsewhere because i dont trust the Aussie government. They would try the same shit.

>>32988589
Fema can and will be shot on sight.

>>32988589
Originally by JFK but "refined" by Bill Clinton and Obama. Sorry.

>>32988603
Yeah thats what id be thinking.
I dont know much about fema but i heard that they are fuckwits

>>32988161
How are you planning on purifying the water?

How many people are you planning on having there?

>>32988603
Seconded, though honestly where I live in a rural area I doubt FEMA will even get anywhere near me.

>>32987984
Sounds cool. Growing crops would be a challenge, no sunlight.

>>32988799
As well as transporting and purifying that much water for however many people they have there.

>>32988814
The growing of crops? How about electricity?

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Remember jews did 9/11

>>32988876
Electricity is nice, but honestly it's a luxury. Food and a reliable clean source or water trumps pretty much everything else.

>>32988946
and the agriculture without sunlight part?

>>32988212
Why does everyone on /k/ think potatoes are the only source of yeast? PLEASE someone explain this to me. I am an enologist and may or may not have experimented with distilling water. Where does this fucking potato myth come from and why is it in every god damn prepper thread?

>>32988979
Well clearly he will have to do it outside won't be. Jesus I'm not going to waste any electricity I have on creating artificial sunlight for some fucking plants if I can just plant them outside the tunnel.

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>>32989043
Same/fag/ing here. Grapes and Corn have much, much more desirable strains of yeast available naturally and/or synthetically. Beyond that, what about rice, winter wheat, barley, and agave?
What is with this boner for potato slav-tier horrible, low quality vodka. Don't limit yourselves, with a very small amount of effort you can make home-made, high-quality brandy, bourbon, shine, and many other tasty beverages, I mean disinfectants.

>>32989093
Not afraid someone might stumble onto it? Or ash from some volcanic disaster smothering it?

>>32989338
>Someone stumbling onto it
Well post a sentry by it I mean it doesn't have to be miles away.
>Volcanic ash
I think the lack of clean water and breathable air may be the bigger problem there

>>32989350
Looks good then, guess you're all set. Maybe if you add a clear tarp over the top of the crops to offer them some protection. A generator running on distilled home made alcohol or some other fuel would be good as well. Don't forget to stock up some medicines.

>>32989408
You know that I'm not the guy planning to be mole man right? I am already set up with a working farm and fully defended home... Plus I got bees

>>32989442
Sounds great!

>>32989043
>>32989245
While potatoes may not be the greatest thing, they are easy to grow, can produce a high yield and they can also grow in most climates which makes them a good go to for food as well as fermentation.

>>32963770
A big chunk of the western US is fucking dead when Yellowstone pops off. We won't even know it happened, we'll just be vaporized.

Anyone got a superior SHTF checklist?

I live a way aways from pretty much anything that spray from the fan could hit, but this being an island in the Arctic, I wouldn't want to depend on supplies from the mainland.
I'm buying a house this May, with ample room for growing stuff. What's good? I only figured taters and carrots, but broccoli and spinach can also grow just fine.

>>32992124
For what sort of situation

>>32985294
you know what i mean you autist

I feel like too many of you are preparing for an outright apocalypse where you need to grow food instead of just preparing for a regional disaster in which case security and water will be the most important things

>>32988030
I'm more partial to ants, myself

>>32992256
Beets. See if you can get peas and green beans to work out.

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The one thing all these threads lack: actual preparation. How many of you are actually experienced operators and not someone obsessed with apocalyptic aesthetics? That's what I fuckin' thought. You want to survive the apocalypse? Earn it with a deployment.

>>32993886
I'm an experienced hunter.

That'll have to do!

>>32993886
Ah yes I remember when I was in Afghanistan and the army taught me how to grow and harvest crops, keep bees, can food, rotate food and drug supplies, oh wait... Shut the fuck up.

There is more that goes into prepping that your "the divide" wet dream you raging faggot.

>>32993964
You're a fucking moron. Those skills can be acquired state side by anyone. But when the time comes and someone wants to take what is yours without the comfort of society around you, then we'll see who is right. The only people in the world who have that kind of experience are combat veterans. You must have spent your time in Afghanistan drinking milk and jacking off.

>>32992330
ANY

>>32993998
Bitch I'm a 68W I spent my time patching up dippy ass hung ho cunts like you. I don't care what you say, you can't just pull a fully functioning farm with crop rotation out of your ass in one night, you can't pull a reliable long term water collection/production system out of your ass in one night. Face it you joined the military as infantry and think that because everyone doesn't know "muh leet operator skills" it means they won't survive. Have fun getting bum rushed by Jamal and friend when you realise that your super cool oper8or skills can't help you fed and you have to try and scavenge like the autistic faggot that you are.

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>>32994064
I mean some guy posted this the other week and it seems fairly comprehensive, I mean you can tweak a few things but it's a reasonable base.

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>>32994064
>>32994081

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>>32994064
>>32994087

>>32994072
You know I'm going to take that back, the guys I went over there with were a fucking amazing bunch of guys and the ones that got injured and the guys we lost didn't deserve what happened to them. I still remember every single one of them.

>>32993998
You may not want to hear this but

Local knowledge>operator training.

This is the reason that the Taliban were able to fuck NATO forces up and down their country. As much as I hate to say it the only reason NATO forces did as well as they did was thanks to the air support and Intel updates from drones. If NATO forces had been running blind and unsupported in Afghanistan the locals would have demolished them.

>>32993998
>Those skills can be acquired state side by anyone

Just like all of those oper8or 11B skillz you have. Hell, you have the same skillset as every Afghani male over the age of 10. Except they have more experience. You know why? Because they don't rotate home to beat up their wives and get drunk. They are home. And they also know how to farm.

How does that make you feel, knowing that some illiterate teenager from the scrotum of the world has better survival skills than your whitebread First World ass?

>>32995294
Now let's try and push past this, getting into a shit flinging match with an 11B will only result in everyone covered in shit and no progress being made... Not unlike Afghanistan.

For some of the civvies here who haven't had military training, what would be some good techniques and drills they could perhaps practice to better ready themselves.

Personally I think learning how to fire and manoeuvre, suppress and flank a target would be very useful and can be done with as little as two men.

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>>32995765
These are my personal notes on suppressing and assaulting a small position, though this would be with a standard 8 man section.

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>>32995832

>>32995765
I was partially serious when I was referring to Afghani teenagers.

They know the terrain. They know who their friends are, and their enemies. They know how to blend into the landscape, and how to survive in it.

In a long term shtf scenario, that's the kind of survival strategy that's going to work. Uncle Sam's logistics tail is going to dry up and blow away. Tactics will evolve to reflect this fact. Things like suppressive fire, recon by fire, and H&I will lose popularity.

I would bet that your 8 man section is going to devolve into a 5 man patrol, 2 of whom are too young to drive. And chances are every member of the patrol will be related.

Sounds vaguely like I'm describing Arabs, right? Culturally, they're in the mode of trusting/relying on family/clan/tribe only. That model doesn't have the resources to field a modern military organization. When they're given the resources and forced into the western model, they fuck it up.

Ok, I'm going to develop this thought in additional posts. I have to do some other stuff fight now.

>>32996979
I don't think I could have said it better myself.

>>32996979
I want to continue this fellows point and link it to one made earlier. >>32994689

The fact really is that you can have all the training in the world but if you don't know the area you are working in you will never truly succeed. You need to know whose friendly and whose not, where's dangerous and where is not.
Simply saying "well I have a map" a map will tell you the contours, where the hills and Forrest's are but it does nothing for what the environment is like, if it is hot or cold, tall grass or short, bright greens or brown. Knowing this information is vital to survival. It's vital when keeping yourself hidden.

While I imagine we have better kit and equipment than Arabs, earning from their in built knowledge of the land around them is something we could all learn from.

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>>32963130
Just finished my personal medkit (non IFAK)
>>32998929
>>32998941
>>32999023

>>32999045
What's with the cotton balls and ear buds?

>>32999063
You can soak cotton balls in water to wipe away dirt/blood pretty well. Ear buds work well too for cleaning smaller cuts.
Like when you fall down a hill and get a massive, dirt packed scrape on your skin, you can't just put a bandaid on it and leave it be, that shit needs cleaning.
Both cotton balls and ear buds can be used to apply anti-septic ointment as well

>>32999109
>What are alcohol wipes
Seriously they can do all that and take up less space. AND if you get the actual alcohol based ones you can use them as an emergency firestarter if you need to.

>>32969405
Considering most bacteria are resistant to penicillin due to overapplication by retarded doctors, that's honestly not all that useful.

>>32999155
I thought about that, but general cleaning prior to antiseptic application can be done with water, and Betadine is better than alcohol for antiseptic purposes (stings less, also doesn't destroy tissue as much).
If I ditch the cotton balls I'd probably put in about 10-15 non-alcohol based cleansing wipes, whatever fits.
Also cotton balls make good kindling, so that goes both ways.
I like your suggestion though, might replace them

>>32999190
Well there are a variety of of wipes you can get for different perposes, BZK towelettes, alcohol ones, Anti sting/itch ones. Plus they are more resilient to water if using them as kindling than cotton wool.

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>>32977726
>Retarded chest-beating from some IRL Dale Gribble writing at a 3rd grade reading level
>Bad guys are literal Satanist bikers
>Main character is a good upstanding God-fearing retired Republican veteran (obvious self-insert) who is right about every problem facing the town and wrong about nothing ever.
>Book literally ends with the main character crying as he hears the Star-Spangled Banner.

Dogshit book for mental midgets. Seems like any of these novels targeting the prepper crowd is full of this bullshit.
>inb4 someone recommends James Wesley Rawles' garbage-ass books.

Read pic related if you want an actual decent SHTF novel not written by vanity-publishing retard.

>>32999311
On the subject of reading, are there any decent magazines for preppers? I know American Survival Guide and while yes it's 90% retarded dribble but now and then it has some useful gems in it.

>>32981645
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/jerven-fjellduken-original/22622

capes are for faggots
"fjellduken" cloaks/jackets/sleeping bags/anoraks/etc. are functional SHTF and general outdoor gear

>>32999386
>€149 for a poncho
Yeah no

>>32999217
Alright I just replaced the 15 cotton balls with 20 70% alcohol wipes, profile is a little thinner.
I daresay I could probably replace the Betadine tube with wipes too
Ty anon

>>32999504
No problemo that's what these threads are for

>>32999439
thats the cheap one m8. in one of those you can walk around happy and warm in the arctic circle.

>>32999534
So after speaking with a friend who's a doctor, he says that alcohol AND an antiseptic is a bit of a waste of time and space, so I'm just going with the alcohol wipes.
So I've removed the cotton balls, the ear buds, and the tube of anti-septic. I also had space to add in 6 more bandaids

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>>32999534
Lower profile means it now fits in this part of my RUSH 12 pack aw yis

>>32999788
Hell yeah that's what I like to hear, if you ever wanted to now you could throw in additional gauze. You can never have enough gauze. But of course if this works for you then happy days it's all good.

>>32999830
I'm going to run this alongside an IFAK with a 6" Israeli bandage, two packs of compressed S-folded gauze, a CAT tourniquet, some more cloth tape, and a pair of nitrile gloves.
I can use the Israeli bandage's packaging to make a chest seal/s

>>32998860
>While I imagine we have better kit and equipment than Arabs

Yes we do, and we also have a completely different cultural combat heritage, which is the prime driving factor behind our gear being better. Western armies tend to make better shock troops, Arabs focus on skirmishing and raiding.

We have the men and resources and mutual trust that allows us to crush opposing armies and topple nations. Arabs have the sneaky pragmatism and calculating opportunism that allows them to ensure that we'll never win the occupation.

So, how does this all relate to our potential shtf scenario? In a couple of ways, mostly for comparison and example.

The 11B dudebro I was going off on is a perfect example. He's extensively trained and experienced in one form of warfare. Air support, artillery on call, resupply just a radio call away, dustoff if you get hit, and terabytes of porn for your down time back inside the wire. Don't get me wrong, it's not for the stupid, slow, or weak. It's just not what's going to be happening post-shtf. The logistics pipeline just won't be there.

It's not going to be teams, squads, and platoons of highly trained and equipped young males maneuvering against each other to achieve some random objective.

It's going to be things like 2 family groups duking it out over who gets to use the abandoned cornfield that they both found at the same time. Figure 33 people, combined total. Call it 7 combatants on one side, 11 on the other.

One guy breaks a leg in a pit trap, another loses an eye and some teeth to a facefull of birdshot at 30 yards during a raid. On the other side, somebody catches a round from a 10/22 in the lung. He's 18 months recovering, almost dying once from infection and again in the winter from bronchitis. Meanwhile one of the older kids loses half a hand to a hatchet when he tries to push around a couple of smaller kids on the other side. Tetanus gets him 3 weeks later.

Continued...

>>32999892
Sounds like you are pretty much sorted then, glad we could help.

>>32982512
Very recognizable tattoo you have on your left forearm there, anon.

>>32999945
Flowers could have been very popular.
Probably a million others like him with something similar, nothing unique.

>>32999897
This Hatfield and McCoy shit goes on for about 8 months, injuring a dozen and killing 5 before both sides reach an uneasy truce. They both agree to share the cornfield. Over the next 2 seasons, there's some flare ups, a little encroachment by both sides. The elders on both sides are kept busy keeping everybody from going to war.

Then, a bad harvest happens, or an outside threat crops up. And both sides wind up joining forces just to survive.

Sounds a lot like what we're facing in Afghanistan, doesn't it? Competing tribes, shifting alliances, and everybody hates the outsider. The main reason they're like that is, they don't have the resources to be like us.

>>32995765
Made a string of posts regarding training and tactics. Tactics will have to change to accomodate existing resources, while training is going to be longer, less intense, and broader based.

Going back to my 5 man patrol, which devolved from anon's 8 man section. Logistically, they're a fuck story. One AR or AK platform, semiauto. One battle rifle. One bolt or lever gun. A .22 for one of the kids, 20 gauge or .410 for the other. If they encounter something, one of the kids gets sent as a runner to pass the word. The remaining 4 fire a few rounds to fix the enemy and cause casualties.

Battle rifle and AR/AK start working their way around to flank. The .22 takes up suppression duties. Remaining rifle covers .22 and acts as a reserve.

There'll be a very basic means of signalling between the elements. Spaced gunshots, maybe. The reserve rifle might notice that the other side has 15 people, and they got their flankers out first.

I'm going to bed now, this whole thought needs to be kicked around a bunch more.

>>33000175
As far as communication goes if you don't have radios go back to the simple and well trusted method, yell that shit.

>>32965768
This, people just these people just want to hoard shit for themselves. I'm thinking about restarting.

>>32963130
You forgot exercise OP.

>>33000614
Hike and camp with your BOB, some cardio and calesthenics and you should be fine.

>>32988589
people actually think fema has this much power

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>>32973522
>>32971403
A book all preppers should have is this:

https://www.amazon.ca/Way-Things-Work-Illustrated-Encyclopedia/dp/0000913154

>>32981825
Yes it is.

A mild Solar flare took out much of Quebec and some parts of eastern Canada's power grid back in the 80's.

Since then our Feds introduced new regulations to help protect our grids from that.. my uncle who used to live here, now lives in Texas, and he says that your grid has none of these updates to transformers & substations.


Unless you have some information on if the US Feds or State level governments have forced updates onto your grid operators, I will continue to suspect power outages down there (and even here) when a big solar flare hits Earth square on.

I know your military is ready for it, but your military power systems are way different than what the civil sector runs.

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>>32963634
get the takedown model or get a henry/marlin survival. that's what i'd do.

>>32990159
As for an FYI on potato storage..

-Dark
-Dry
-Clean
-Cool

If you do not keep them in all four conditions, they will rot quickly.

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>>32983211
dude wtf now i want to be a shtf wizard

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>>33000790
Here are some example pages from my copy of the good old book.

Cellulose (Man made fibers)

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>>33000998
Harvesting equipment (beets)

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>>33001005
Automatic Rifle

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>>33001010
Sailing (prior page is how to make a boat)

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>>33001010
>>33001016
Rocketry (4 pages)

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>>33001022
Plexiglass

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>>33001026
Nuclear reactor

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>>33001026
>>33001031
Steam engine (piston)

>>33001026
It seems like one of those books that would be useful to help rebuild civilization, though I'm dubious about how much help it would be during the SHTF

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>>33001035
So yeah.. definitely get this book.
>>33000790

It also covers how to distill gasoline, create gunpowder & dynamite, pumps of all sorts, and washing machines..

Only bad side is its old.. I would really like a publisher to print some new copies.

>>33001036
Rebuilding civilization, it's damn good.

SHTF.. besides some medicine stuff and the section on explosives.. good reading material for boredom.

>>33001064
Good point well made

One thing I'm thinking about is hoarding knowledge. I mean, its one thing to have all the skills different people bring to the table but it could be damn useful to have some how-tos easily available.
There are a million ebooks and tutorials and shit available and you could have knowledge about pretty much anything handy. I mean, you encounter a problem that no-one in the group knows how to solve and what do you do now? You go check the internet. After SHTF there obv wont be internet available so I want ot have a library ready to go.
I'm still pondering on the practical application of this tho, don't want to lug around 200lbs of books obviously and can't exactly trust on having an electronic device either. Maybe microfilms or something? Any ideas?

>>33000175
I know this sounds pretty silly to people like you, cause y'all have access to guns. But what about melee combat? Any strategies for that?

Cause where I'm from, guns are banned. Bows and slingshots can still probably be found on occasion or crafted. I have slingshots. Personally I prefer a spear as I was trained, to some extent, to use them.

>>33001456
If you were trained to use a spear then use a spear. If that's all you have it's better than nothing.

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>>32967325
>spray bottle
niqqa please

Would these work for faraday EMP proof box for solar panels and radios
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01AGJOMZ8/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0058HVJF0/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008PA3216/

all dimensions are fine and I'll be testing if the foam is conductive or not -- will also be wrapping electronics in anti static bags sealed with electrical tape, the ammo can seal will be padded with aluminum tinfoil and wrapped with aluminum tape and I was planning on grounding the tin to a radiator would this work?

>>33001820
Yes but you'd be spending way too much time and money. Just get an old microwave that someone is throwing out. Microwaves are faraday boxes by design. It doesn't even have to work, you wouldn't want to plug it in anyway. Also, read this >>32981813

>>33001653
Too likely to leak. You start carrying that in a front pocket or waistband carry, it leaks, now your nuts are on fire.

Spray bottles also have the adjustable choke feature, from stream to mist. Mist can be a really wrong choice on a windy day, but it can also be useful for disengaging. You're running, somebody's pursuing. Spray a mist cloud in the air at every corner. They suck some of it in, and have to slow down to cough and blink a little.

>>33000200
Not a good idea if you're outnumbered and don'want to give away your location, numbers, and intentions. Whistle signals might be useful.

>>33001820
EMP works by passing a magnetic field across our conductive power grid. Isolated unpowered disconnected equipment is wildly unlikely to be disturbed.

Want a serious Faraday cage? Buy a shipping container and make your entire workshop a cage. Not that EMP is much risk, but containers are highly storm resistant and make comfy shops as well as storage. Put your stash on high shelving or racks hung from the ceiling corner tiedown loops (commercial shelves use them) and it'll be out of your way so you can use the space for other tasks.

>>33002328
During a firefight? I'm gonna tell. I can't be trying to do some secret squirrel shit if rounds may be coming my way

>>33002350
Would it, in theory, be possible to turn a basement into a faraday cage by building chicken wire into its construction or lining the interior behind the drywall?

>>32967297
Capacity limits aren't IRL much problem. Practice changing mags. Martial law won't open you new options unless you luck out, but you should know your local LEO. Meet them at the range. When you are known as pro-LEO cool people that can only help.

Be the cool gray man. Asserting your oddball spergtard identity is not appropriate. I suggest looking like a conservative, having a military haircut, and generally playing the psychological cues which subconsciously influence others.

If you are fat and weak, stop being fat and weak. Fat triggers natural contempt for the degenerate. Your presence is a tool you can use to subtly influence others. Prep your projected self!

If SHTF I'll be contacting and helping organize other conservatives, vets, etc. Fuck hiding. I'll get out there and network. People want leadership and teams thrive on cooperation.

Too many preppers plan to hide like rabbits. Fine in many cases, but less fine in others. IRL SHTF turns into local militias protecting their turf, and if you liaison so closely with cops/military/etc that you get comfy with each other you have a larger effective team.

>>32968306
I keep a CB radio because much of that very common HF net is immediately operational in disasters. Truckers, who will remain trucking as they do elsewhere, will have CBs turned on.

>>32971403
Prepping is knowledge first and what you buy varies dramatically by location so there's no universal list.

Study SHTF in real life in areas that look like yours. Urban? Study cities under seige SHTF and severe natural disaster SHTF.

Rural? Study economic survival in Depression conditions, then add some shooty and medical prep skills.

True prepping is being able to use local assets starting from noguns/notools. Add guns and tools for much better results.

>>32973522
Add welding and machining books because you'll need those to use equipment you may encounter even if you don't currently own it.

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>>33002306
But then you'd be running around with a spray bottle like a poof instead of a cool water gun. But when you're right you're right. How about a combo tho, a proper wank bottle for OC and a sneaky little water gun (properly sealed or/and carried in a plastic holster) for CC?
Also, replacing pocket sand with chili powder seems like a good move if you're going all spicy stalker anyways

>>33001456
Probably the best melee training material is watching riot footage, and similar. Pay attention to how ghetto dwellers settle their differences.

I'm not really familiar with the nuances of spear fighting, other than it's more complex than just poking somebody with a sharp stick.

A stick can be a whole weapons system by itself. As is, it's a staff. Excellent for dealing out blunt force trauma. Add a point or blade, now it's a polearm. Add some cordage and a pouch, now you have a slingstaff.

I would say, keep up on your spear training and work on expanding it to cover staff fighting. Study up on sling staves, start working in that direction to give yourself a ranged weapon that's not as obvious as a bow or crossbow. I suspect sparkplugs would make excellent slingstaff ammo. And lugnuts. Either one could probably be lethal out to 50 yards or so.

>>33001382
You're going to have to be a fixed location, probably colocated with an ag community. Take over the high school library.

Become the internet. Somebody wants to know something, they come to the desk and ask or fill out a request. A research assistant digs up the book or books the person needs and brings them to the desk. The person may read the info there, and take notes. Books don't get checked out. Figure out what types and methods of payment you'll accept.

Maintain off-site copies of your core publications. That's what is known as your back up.

Learn the rudiments of library science.

>>33002682
Another idea is to do what the monastic monks did with the bible and have people copy books. A person comes in with the materials and people transcribe a copy of the book

I could see that being very lucrative to communities or homesteaders who live far off, or people who have difficulty reading the English language.

>>33001031
Why doesn't iran buy this book and build a bunch of these?

>>33002911
It's very labor intensive, and I think it would depend on how far literacy levels fall. Yes, it could open up the scribe occupational field again.

Personally, I could see somebody reinventing the Gutenberg press just because they were sick and tired of copying out the same tortilla recipe for the 20th time that week.

>>33002911
It's very labor intensive, and I think it would depend on how far literacy levels fall. Yes, it could open up the scribe occupational field again.

Personally, I could see somebody reinventing the Gutenberg press just because they were sick and tired of copying out the same tortilla recipe for the 20th time that week.

>>33003310
>>33003611

Neat. I double posted. Some days it just doesn't pay to get out of bed

>>33003628
>>33003628
But now you have a copy of what you posted, along with dubs.

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