Battle Rifle General /brg/

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>>32984823
No such thing as too short.

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>>32984823
>tfw no sexy stockings

why the heck would i want a heavy ass battle rifle which has a 10 round mag when I could have an assault rifle that holds 3 times as many rounds per mag AND weighs less fully loaded than a battle rifle does empty?

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>>32984949
Wouldn't this be considered an NBR?
Do NBRs require tax stamps?

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>>32985090
Because you'll be able to kill more people with those 10 rounds than with the 30.

>>32985090
Do you even lift, bro?

>>32985102
Nbr?

>>32986030
No Barrel Rifle.

>>32986047
That would have a ~2.7" bbl
Measured from boltface, not from end of chamber

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Finally finished my PTR.

>>32986126
Might want a riser for the optic

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>>32986126

>>32986368
>be advised

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>>32986126
How's life guarding that rhino?

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>>32984823
10" for me due to m80 out of 10" still more power than m193 out of 20"

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>>32985090
I wouldnt know i am not a sissy.

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>>32986126
mfw I see someone at the range with an optic mounted literally inches above the line of sight the gun was designed and intended to use.

>>32984823
>How short is too short edition
Thread almost dead already edition
Bump from page 9

Picking up my new PTR 91 FR this week. Finally. Been wanting one for many years.

>>32985136
What episode was that?

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>>32986967
lol so good and all these retards not knowing how trajectory works

>>32988465
Dammit /brg/
How many times do I have to save you from 404

How necessary is a brass buffer on a PTR 91?
Is it only for those who reload?
I'll primarily be shooting steel, but I'll be shooting some brass for grouping and maybe hunting.

Also, does anyone know if a carry handle will fit on a PTR with an optic rail? Or with the PTR aluminium handguards?

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>>32989746
Not enough people care about or own battle rifles

>>32989755
I know. It's sad.
Also why I'm getting one.
I want to blow out the range with semi-auto .308 goodness and HK slaps.

>>32989767
Looking into getting a G3 as well, are HK slaps actually bad for it or is that a meme?

Everything is cheaper then I expected, I get there's a lot of surplus stuff for them.

Are metal mags preferable to aluminum ones or do both work fine? Practice with aluminum, pack steel ones with softpoints for SHTF?
Aluminum mags are dogshit cheap.

And save receiver, bolt, and trigger group, what's actually american on PTR 91's? I don't give a fuck about 922r so I want to replace as much shit with actual surplus parts as possible.

tfw can't find a stg58 kit
i got an imbel receiver and i want to make some top tier shit with it

>>32989905
FAL Files

>>32989898
>are HK slaps actually bad for it
Where did you hear this?
How else do you load it?
>>32989898
>what's actually american
Most of it. And I dont think 922r would apply to an american made gun. That's only for imports.

Is the BM-59 worth the price? How much should I pay for one?

>>32989914
>Where did you hear this?
The Internet
>How else do you load it?
Pulling the charging handle to you and then rotating it down before releasing.
Theory being that it will wear the cocking tube out from the handle sliding over it under spring pressure.

I guess it's fine then, and that part is like 40 dollars so fuck it.

>>32989914
>Most of it
Fuck. I'll start with external shit and bolt then.

>Parts kit with all German stuff
400 bucks on HKPARTS
>PTR receiver, already finished, not a flat
280 on Atlantic
>PTR-made 20 inch heavy barrel
275 on HKPARTS
>Lots of work getting it actually put together
Would this FA trigger group even fit, or would I need one made for the semi shelf?
Second option is to just drop the semi shelf and drill a hole for the front pin on the FA trigger group, however that's a good way to get my dog shot.
THIRD option is just get a ptr 91 GI for 900 and be done with it. However my way would have a better barrel and all German parts, but no warranty if it doesn't fucking work. Which is a very good possibility.

Also here's a 5am bump you fucking losers

>>32990179
Just get a PTR 91 FR like I just did for $1058
Picking it up this week. Got the FR cause I wanted the heavy barrel and the optic rail.

>>32989746
I don't have the buffer and I have reloaded mine.
It's not necessary but it does help control the ejection and prevents the case wall from being dented as badly but none of mine were beyond saving.

>>32988669
Episode 8 of season 6.

I'm trying to decide on what to spend my tax return on. I'm torn between a nice PTR with a paddle release, some sort of FAL, or getting a can for my Mark 23. What do you guys think?

>>32990470
PTR, then can, then FAL.
Can't go wrong with any of them, really.

>>32990470
Get a SiCo hybrid, use it on pistols and rifles.

>>32989898
You can peen over the tab by doing it

>>32986047
.... haha hahaha hahahahaaaaahahaha

>>32989949
Its not the handle that will wear they say but the notch, the notch that holds the charging handle will supposedly erode over time.

>>32990539
>>32991251
It might happen over many many thousands of slaps but I've never actually seen it happen to the point where it caused a problem. Even if it did, 5 seconds with a dremel would have it back to how it was.

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I'm curious : what does /k/ think of the SIG510 ?

>>32991290
ugly as balls

>>32989940
Pls

In a SHTF scenario, what advantages would a BR offer over a regular AR?

>>32992503
>SHTF scenario

Depends on which scenario you are planning for.

>>32992524
Generic "societal breakdown" kind. I have a great campsite/bug out spot deep innawoods I frequent, and the whole "A BR WEIGHS TEN BILLION TONS MORE WOW JUST GET AN AR BRUH" argument doesn't apply to me. I figure my HK91 and G17 should be perfectly sufficient, even more so when I get around to digging my bunker there.

>>32992635

*WARNING: THE FOLLOWING REPLY MAY CONTAIN SEVERE LEVELS OF AUTISM*

Bugging out into the woods poses less probability for encountering other people which means less likelihood of being in a firefight where round capacity and ammo supply would be more pertinent. Also because BRs shoot more powerful calibers at a higher velocity from further away and is less affected by atmosphere and brush than typical salt rifles, they are more suitable for hunting game and more effective for defense against dangerous large animals (and as a bonus you could eat whatever just tried to kill you). The auto-loading feature also allows for quick follow-up shots if needed; faster than a manual action. And of course, you'd have to assume that you weren't the only one who thought about bugging out innawoods and it would be unsafe to presume that everybody who does would be friendly. The more powerful BR would theoretically allow you to out-range people carrying smaller caliber firearms.

I've had a brilliant set of ideas to improve the FAL. Y'all interested ?

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>>32993286
Sure, I could use a laugh.

>>32993295
nice sentra fudd

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Are DSA FALs as bad as people say? or is it a meme because I love FALs and am too lazy to build one

>>32993295
what is your name?

>>32993286

that being?

>>32990218
I don't want an optic rail or the black furniture.

Surplus furniture is like 12 bucks a set though. And it will still be gross American parts. Receiver and barrel are unavoidable, and I can live with them. The rest, not really. Really only want it because I finally finished my German flecktarn set.

You're probably right though. Where did you get the FR for that price?

>>32993367
They're not terrible but they're not good either. You should get an Imbel build or some other parts kit already put together. You can find them for around the same price as DSA but they'll be much higher quality.

>>32993376
Anon McAnonington

>>32992889

.308 actually travels slower than 5.56, I think the word you were looking for was energy

>>32984823
Are .308 AR's even allowed? I'm feeling pretty left out since they aren't in the banner.

>>32993536

From what I gather no, we're kind of a pariah in both camps. /arg/ doesn't want us because "it's not a real AR" and /brg/ just considers them inferior for reasons I don't understand.

>>32993568
Oh well. BRG sucks anyway. might as well call it cetme general.

>>32993286
Free float barrel by having handguard attach to receiver and not have it touching barrel(duh)

Possibly add some enforcing bars to hold the lower and upper together more solidly

Better barrels, triggers.
Possibly have a garand style diopter sight on the upper receiver instead of trigger control group

Maybe figure out an easier way to remove/switch barrels. Use hex screws for the gas piston tube etc

Have receiver mounted sling swivel in front of mag well/on side of receiver as an option

Have option for charging handle on bolt for ambidextrous use/reciprocating charging handle

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>>32993536
Stop asking for permission and just post where you feel appropriate.

>>32993687
Free floated FAL barrels aren't as accurate as those with rigid handguards.

>>32993736
do you like your AR10 better or your Scar?

>>32993795
I like the SCAR more.
LMT was an October panic purchase. It's still pretty nice, don't get me wrong.

>>32993687
Why not just get a SCAR?

>>32993898
This

>>32993898
Because that's a solid 2 grand more expensive, and I don't like the way they look. My goal is a set of modifications that could be done to newly made or pre-existing FAL's to make them as or almost as good as an SCAR for 1/3 or half the price.

>>32993931
Well guess what you dumb faggot that's not how this shit works. FN tried, they failed, they used what they learned to make the SCAR.

>>32993918
>>32993898
>"hey I want to improve my 1965 mustang"

"Hurrrr just get a 2016 mustang dummy XDXDXD"


This is you

>>32993948
You must be fun to be around at parties


NO FUN ALLOWED

>>32993393
Really though what is your first name?

>>32984823
I have an m1a socom 2, any recommendations for optics?

>>32993972
ATF plz. I haven't posted a single image of myself in this thread.

>>32993295
Hit the gym fatty. Not but seriously, everyone acts like they are all ready for serious self defense and most of you couldn't run a mile to save your life.

>>32994065
That's fine, but I still want to know, just give me the first letter of your first name

>>32994096
C

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>>32994021
Imma bump This question with a picture or no one will see it

>>32993931
The significant gunsmithing required to perform those modifications to a FAL would end up costing you as much or more than a SCAR and it would still be a legacy battle rifle that's had its shit tweaked instead of an actual modern design.

>>32993950
>I want to take a rusty '65 Mustang and turn it into a 2016 Ford GT
>No, I don't care that it would cost more than just buying a GT, I love ancient Mustangs and hate new things
This is you.

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>>32994021
30mm Aimpoint

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>>32994201
Wrong Again homo

>I want my rusty 65 mustang to perform SIMILARLY to a 16' GT, I have the money and know how to make this personal preference happen, if others like my preference I can do it for them as well

That's what I think the 5.56x51 anon meant

>>32994021
Sell it and buy a good gun.

>>32994021
>>32994132
I mean honestly you aren't going to hold a zero anyway, you might as well just get gud with irons while you are young brah

>>32994299
You nailed that hammer like it owed you rent. My ideas are just that, ideas. It's entirely possible to change things and let economy of scale do the rest.

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>>32993687
>Free float
Been done, not as useful as you might think

>Enforcing bars
Just get an oversized locking lug

>Better barrels, trigger
You can have better barrels made, jard and DSA make match triggers

>Remove/switch barrels
Been done, meeper did that shit a decade ago

>Reciever mounted sling swivel
Your a gigantic faggot, and you could mount one to the rear of the handguards

>Ambi charging handle
You could do this to an existing bolt group.


You really need to lurk moar, because like everything you want in an FAL, you could have done, but haven't.

>>32994511
There is no market of scale for a riced out FAL that can't quite compete against a SCAR though.

Your talking about pure one off work.

>>32994579
>>32994600

The goal here isn't to argue, I'm putting out ideas that would possibly make the gun slightly better than it is

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>>32994511
Glad we are on the same wavelength bro, ignore the mouthbreathers

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>>32994928
D'awwwwwww

>>32994798
Better at what, though?

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Rate of twist: 1 in 10 in.
Magazine capacity: 20
Stock: Pardus
Metal finish: Mag-phos
Trigger pull (lb.): 7
Barrel length (in.): 16
Manufacturer warranty - general: 3 years limited
Manufacturer warranty - parts: 3 years limited
Manufacturer warranty - labor: 3 years limited
Product weight: 8.3 lb.
Type: Centerfire
Style: Tactical
Handedness: Right
Caliber: .308 Win.
Action: Semiautomatic

talk me out of it /k/ $699

>>32995097
just save up for a nicer one bro, you'll be glad you did.

>>32995097
That's fucking disgusting.

>>32993948
Wrong.

scar is completely different from fal. Scar is closer to to ar18 than its to FAL.

>>32989755
More like everyone left this shithole
> brg is a joke
> no more atf threads after the adults bailed

>>32995219
Wrong.
FN tried to make the FAL into what the SCAR is. They couldn't. So they made the greatest hits of weapon design all in one rifle.

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>>32995334
>So they made the greatest hits of weapon design all in one rifle.

so thats why you are such a sperg and can't be objective, you've got to much personal bias invested into the scar, so theres really no point debating a shithead like you

>>32995097
On aesthetics alone I reject that, regardless of price.

Try this:
http://tsswarehouse.com/shop/delton-echo-carbine-308-win-16-bbl-20rd-black-del-ton-r3fth160/

>>32995001
>The goal here isn't to argue, I'm putting out ideas that would possibly make the gun slightly better than it is

>slightly better than it is

>>32993295

What did sakuya do to his rifle?

Can anyone help me get started on building a FAL? I don't really know where to start. Is there a good place to buy a decent kit? What tools do I need?

>>32997773
Gunplumber (Arizona response systems) has some nice Imbel kits on gunbroker for a pretty good price.

>>32997822
Thanks, pal. To be honest though, I'm still trying to decide between that or a PTR.

>>32993388
>Where did you get the FR for that price?
Sportsman's guide if you're a member

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>>32998064
As someone who loves his PTR and bought one of those kits, I'd say go ahead and get the kit first. PTR isn't going anywhere and the kits are getting harder to find and more expensive as time goes on.

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>>32998142
Here's my kit after getting cleaned up.

>>32998161
Nice. I'll probably wind up picking one up now.

>>32998161
Are Imbels Inch or Metric?

>>32998573
Metric. I think only brit/commonwealth FALs were metric.

>>32998573
METRIC

>>32991290
ugly as fuck but still feeling like a mg34.

>>32998592
i could be wrong but i thought it was the other way around? I thought that everyone besides the brits like the belgiums for example, used metric? Again, could be wrong but if i member correctly, brits used inch and india/isreal used a combination of both?

>>32991290
Nobody gives a fuck about your khyber pass looking rifle. Stop asking. It'd be better if you actually had something to say about it you know like if you actually shot it instead of always asking us and seeking approval.

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>>32995274

Where did everyone go to?

Plebbit goyim?

>>32993393
Riiiighttttt... >>32993295

Or he could get a non entry level "voyager" dsa and also have a lifetime warranty.

>>32993966
Did you fucking read what he wants to do... on a budget bahahahaha idiots.

>>32994096
Not denying you're ATF...

Hideyokidshideyodoggos.jpeg

>>32999379
do you anything about that rifle in the vid? no?
then fuck off

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>tfw too lithe and waifish for battle rifles

>>32994299
Key word, MONEY. A scar is about 2k more than you're willing to spend you said here >>32993931
and a scar is about 3k new well my friend you don't have any fucking money left after you get your parts kit built or buy a pre existing fal.

What you dweebs are saying is possible but it is not simple, cheap budget friendly. If intermediate cartridge nato fag had said "money is no problem" then you'd be getting nothing but thats weird but whatevs go with the k/ubes blessing send us pics but the way he talks about it as if its so simple is laughable and mock worthy.>>32993948

>>32994798
But you don't get it. You have no new ideas.

You ain't saying anything that ain't nevabendonbefo

>>32999547
lol im not 5.56x51 anon, you should really chill because you seem to be very mad for no fucking reason, you remind me of a father yelling at his teenage daughter about the value of money, when really she and no-one else cares.

laughing at your life desu

>>32995761
I never even though about aesthetics. worst part is that it's got good reviews. I might just buy another 5.56, I just need something for my wife.

>>32995144
>>32995115
thanks.

>>32999577
Lmao tax season baller keep talking dude, let us bask in your magnificent ignorance. P.s. Thats why I said you dweebs. Plural. For two stupid faggots.

Blessyoursoulbruv

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>>32999640
??????
?????
stop drinking bro your family will be happy you did.

>>32993675
yeah, basically. Cetme and M1A, they bash PTR's with videos of Century arms C-308's failing and FAL's with what are likely videos of century shit as well. The law of averages being what it is, as soon as a video of one rifle in millions catastrophically failing hits the web, the whole production run of the rifles may as well be written off for /BRG/ pleasure seeking.

>>32999218
one sec hun, they left me a note somewhere with their new address...

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Between the FAL, G3, M14, and SCAR, in what order are they in from most controllable in full-auto fire to least controllable?

>>33000582
Nobody here is going to have experience shooting all of these in full auto but i would guess.
Scar
Fal
G3
M14

Most to least controllable

am I a weak nigger or is pulling out the charging handle on the PTR kind of hard?

I mean, I am a weak nigger, but just wondering what you other niggers think

>>32999547
my greatest regret is buying a fal, a ptr, and another fal receiver, and realizing i could have just bought a fucking scar

>>33000660
muh history, though.

>>33000654
PTR TM. QUALITY FITMENT

>>33000660
lol fag, just wait and save up for a SCAR then you'll almost have a complete battle rifle family

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>>33000654
ptr will make you strong

>>32999043
You're correct, I meant to say brit FALs were inch.

>>33000660
I'm going to buy my second SCAR in three weeks I think.

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>>32984823
Jesus christ BRG has really tanked

Where the fuck do I get an FAL kit?

>>33000660
Why not own a FAiL, PTR, and a SCAR?

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>>33002211

Whatacountry.
Gunplumber on Gunbroker.

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I'd like to buy an m14.

Is there a better alternative for the price?

SCAR seem like a huge money sink. G3/FAL just seem like a Neverending argument

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>>33002211
See: >>32997822

>>33002553
Both the G3 and FAL are better alternatives though. AR10 would be better too.

>>33002553
G3 and FAL both beat the M14 despite being cheaper.
The only times you want an M14 is to turn it into a 3 large match gun literally made of glass or LARP as a Murican soulja boi.

>>32993367
Post more pics

>>32985090
Push-ups are free, faggot

>tfw FN will never make new-production FAL's

>>33003880
Just buy a 50.61, they aren't impossible to find.

I already own two ARs and a pistol. I want a long distance shooter now. I really want to make an AR10, but I'm thinking I'm better off with a bolt action. Please advise

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Did someone say battle rifle?

>>32984823
Im thinking about jumping on this deal right here:
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/621337647

Can anyone with a little bit more expertise on this stuff tell me if its a good deal or should I just get a DSA?

>>33003995
They're prohibitively expensive for 80% of 4chan users

>>33004071
Make an AR10. It will probably be about the same price.

>>33004794
It's a CAI jammomatic. He says it's home built, it's a metric type 3 upper shoehorned onto an inch parts kit. But it at your own peril.

>>33005169
For sure, but they exist, and are good for motivation to get a job paying more.

>>33005299
This is very true

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>>33004071
heres the last one i did
you could do better if you dont have to pay for shipping and go with the lo-pro gas block + rail
cost for fixed or collapsible stock is a wash

Just 16 more days until 16" 7.62 MDR preorders start shipping (for realsies this time) (honest)

>>33001897
Your mom lets you have 2?
>>33002187
Yes it has. I've been trying to keep it alive as I'm getting a PTR this week.
>>33004151
That sweet burst of 9.5x40mm KURZ
I want this caliber and gun to exist.
This is the only reason I want an RFB even though it would be closer to the DMR.

>>33009762
Just got the one for now, but should be getting a nice crop of GBP. Maybe you should try to get some yourself, get something nicer than just a PTR

>>33009862
>GBP
?
It's probably something obvious that I should know.
PTR is fine for now, I eventually want a FAL and M14 also but I've had a hard on for the G3/HK91 rifles for several years now.
I don't really want a SCAR at all.

>>33009928
/arg/ bantz for good boy points.

Had designs on the FAL, had one back in the day before the SCAR. Still want an m14 for the BHD feels

>>33009955
>/arg/ bantz for good boy points.
Good, for a moment I was deeply concerned at the idea of some limey owning not one but two straight-pull bolt-action SCARs.

>>33010020
Nope, just getting ~10k in a commission check and thinking a SCAR 16s would be fun. Shitposting value alone might be worth it.

>>33009955
>good boy points
Of course.
I was thinking the same way as this anon >>33010020

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does the FN FNAR count as a battle rifle?

i was thinking of getting one, anyone got one?

>>33010514
Well it hasnt seen battle but I would say that it does count as it is a semi auto .308

>>33010514
If an M14/M1A counts, I don't see why an FN FNAR wouldn't.

>>33010514
>>33010575
Not based on a select fire rifle.

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>>33010611
it's based on the BAR, what are you talking about

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>>33010797
Wrong BAR friendo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_BAR

>>33010834
FNAR and BAR are the same rifle tight?
I know FN owns Browning so that would seem right. Both are obviously inspired by the old WW2 BAR if even by name alone.

>>33011006
>This rifle should not be confused with the M1918 military rifle, which is a completely different design, sharing no parts, though also referred to as the BAR.
They both stand for Browning Automatic Rifle. It's basically just a marketing coincidence. The FNAR is based on the fudd BAR (but is not the same rifle) which has nothing to do with the military BAR except for the above mentioned single thing.

>>33010514
>>33010514

Just wondering

do they still not put MOA into the pic rail for scopes??? i heard that was an issue for the FN FNAR

>>33011058
Pretty much what I was saying.
New BAR was named after old real BAR

>>33011154
The both stand for Browning Automatic Rifle. The hunting one was not named after the M1918, especially since the M1918 is not officially named BAR.

>>33011154
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Still doesn't mean the FNAR is based on the military BAR in any way, shape, or form.

>>33011154
It's a brand name not some homage, you retard.

>>33011200
>>33011206
>>33011240
Ya'll is dumb. You just reinforced exactly what I was trying to say.

>>33011251
No you're just too dumb to understand why you're wrong.

>>33011281
You don't even know how dumb I can be.
But I know what I'm saying.
When the new BAR was designed they could have called it some combination of letter followed by numbers like every other gun. But they purposely called it the Browning Automatic Rifle. Obviously not same design, never said it was. But they wanted to reference the M1918. Doesn't matter if BAR wasn't the official name of it as it's still known by that.

>>33011446
The Browning company made an Automatic loading Rifle. That is all. They did not give a fuck that some already used the name and they did not name it after the 1918.

>>33011446
Or maybe they just named it that because it was another autoloading rifle made by Browning. You're making the mistake of thinking it's some sort of reference when it's just meant to be a simple name.

>>33011489
So you're saying that when Browning/FN was trying to decide what to call their new semi-auto rifle, they just went the lazy route and called it the simplest thing imaginable instead of naming it Q-bolt or something retarded like the others in their catalog. And not one of the dozen or so employees sitting bored as fuck in that conference room was like, "Hey, isn't the M1918 commonly reffered to as the BAR?" And then the bossman through him out the window and said fuck it, "We'll draw in fudds by naming it BAR."

That's how I see it. But I'm dumb so what do I know.

>>33011593
That's exactly what we're saying, faggot.

>>33011684
Than why were you disagreeing with me, faglord?

>>32986126
>dickbutt optic
>mount all fucked up.

Just get a B&T, christ man.

>>33011873
Blessyoursoul.

> ohnohe'sretarded

The hunting BAR was designed by JMBs grandson.
The FNAR is not a battle rifle, but it's close enough for this thread.

I want a ptr so damn bad. I ordered a cetme to build one and all the flats are sold out at the moment

>>32990179
I looked at the welds on that reciver at Atlantic and thought nah I'll bend up my own.

>>33011873
>So you're saying that when Browning/FN was trying to decide what to call their new semi-auto rifle, they just went the lazy route and called it the simplest thing imaginable instead of naming it Q-bolt or something retarded like the others in their catalog.
>I'm dumb so what do I know.
Those are the only parts of your post that mattered.

What optics do you guys feel are appropriate for a battle rifle? I'm going to get a FAL, and I have a Vortex Viper PST 6-24×50 that I don't have a rifle for. Is that overkill? What do you guys put on your BR's?

>>33013767
red dot, 1-6x, 1-8x
6-24x is ridiculous, especially on a FAL

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>>33013787

>>33013904
>a fucking potato
Slapping a scope on a legacy battle rifle and calling it a DMR is semi-reasonable if you're a military and have crates of them lying around gathering dust, but an individual has better options.

>>33013952
But getting a FAL into accurate enough (1.5moa) isn't that hard to do. It's not the best solution, but it is one.

BR optics are going to have a minimum magnification of 3x or under and a max of 10x or lower. Start getting outside of that, and your pushing into DMR mode fairly heavily

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>>32991290
Faggots on this thread hate it because they find it ugly (are these guys like 15 years old?) and because of the sour grapes thing.

They can't own one so they bash it to feel good about their civilian made crap.

In truth anyone that understands something about guns knows that the Stgw 57 was one of the best battle rifles ever made.

Very accurate and extremely reliable and well made.

Their 7.62x51 version is still used in some countries.

>>33014087
I don't think anyone said the 510 was bad, just that it was hideous.

>>33014008
How about Eotechs with magnifiers?

>>33014106
Then you must not browse these threads whenever it's mentioned.

There's a couple of kids around here that absolutely hate anything made in Switzerland to the point of delusion.

>>33014120
It's not 2007.
Eotechs are a poor choice
Magnifiers are a poor choice
You can get a decent low power variable for less.

>>33014087
> t. assblasted alpennigger
The SG 510 was designated the G2 in German testing and it got beat out in testing by both the FAL and G3. I'm not saying it's not a good rifle, but it's not "one of the best battle rifles ever made" just because it's one of the only ones you have easy access to. It didn't do anything particularly better than any other battle rifle despite weighing 12.5 pounds.

>>33014087
The reason why the Swiss dig it is because it's like 400chf and the ammo is subsidized.

The version with the DMR stock and free floated handguards is pretty sweet. Otherwise, it looks like a steampunk battle rifle.

>>33014185
It didn't pass due to the weight and cost.

That was all.

Also:

>Germany adopting a main rifle made in another country.

Yeah sure. Not a political decision at all. /s

>>33014202
It's almost like I brought up the weight as a point against it. Despite that weight, it doesn't do anything better than the other rifles. Considering none of those rifles were currently being made in Germany at the time and they obtained the means to do so after the testing, I'm going to say that wasn't much of a factor.

>>33014202
Where do you think the G1 was made?

>>33014202
>G1: FAL
Belgium
>G2: Stgw57/SG510
Switzerland
>G3: CETME
Spain
>G4: AR10
USA

>>33014202
To be fair, having control of your own means of production is also a security concern.

>>33014202
You are an idiot. There is nothing to back up any of your claims of it being a good battle rifle. Who gives a fuck if it shoots buttery smooth if it jams on lint. There is not a single testament to its reliability. You can say what you want but you'll just be talking out your ass speaking empty words disappearing like a fart in the wind.

Germany wanted the fal but belgium refused to sell them the rights etc. So they went with the rifle presented by cetme and turned it into their g3.

>>33016299
The spanish wouldnt sell the rights to germany directly, another belgian company acted as the middleman. There was little interest in being directly associated with germany rearming itself.

>>33011446
>But they wanted to reference the M1918
No. You are wrong.

>>33010514
get the fuck out for even asking

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Hey guys, wondering what some of the strong points of a .308 battle rifle are over your typical 5.56 NATO assault rifle. I watched a few Youtube videos now that were pretty fucking retarded and nobody seems to have good data. One redneck just shot a bunch of random shit and declared that .308 was better because it blew the shit he shot up a bit more. Which is nice but... what about actual scenarios where something needs to die when you shoot it, or at the very least barrier penetration? The only scientific studies I can find are decades old, presumably because everyone with the money to conduct studies has switched over to 5.56 NATO and isn't looking back.

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>>33018013
When you're shooting a specific target and need it to stop what it's doing right now, there's no substitute for a real rifle cartridge. Even the best intermediate rounds pale in comparison to a good .308's devastating terminal effects.

>>33018013
.223 rounds can be barrier blind or can be decent at terminal ballistics.

.308 is an all around performer.

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How'd I do /k/?

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>>33018325
>poverty rifle
>plastic folding table
>shitty blinds
>even worse texturing to walls
>Photo is has shit lighting
>actual sunlight is available behind the shitty blinds

Must you indulge the stereotype?

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I'm legit considering buying a HCAR when they come back in stock. Should I?

>>33018481
Will you take pictures of your sister in a bikini holding it?

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There's a FN lower for sale on gunbroker. Which is neat, but FN barrels are few and far between. Should I give up building a FN and move to an L1A1 or Israeli?

>>33018481
If there was a MGS prequel set during WW2, that gun would be in it.

>>33018528
>tfw Kojima will never make a game about The Boss CQCing Hitler

>>33018384
:(

>>33018481
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbyQultvtNI

>>33018632
At least you didn't buy an FAL

>>33018800
About as bad

>>33018325
Don't listen to the daddies credit card fags. The PTR-91/HK-91/ G3 is a good Gewehr. Use it to defend the fatherland. And Spain, I guess.

>>33019218
It's a second choice, how bad could it be?

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>>33019395
No worse than the first choice apparently.

>>33019412
FAL is better, not by much.

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>>33019412
>it's another "muh youtube videos disprove decades of military services across the world" episode

>>33019395
Might as well buy a C308 and a DSA and get the best of both worlds

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>>33019395
It's actually not bad
Mine gets groups of about 1.5 MOA with some good brass ammo and 2 to 2.5 MOA with crappy steel case.

>>33019519
It's not just the mud test; the FAL also consistently fares worse than the G3 in their two-gun shooting, regardless of who's shooting it, because only hits count and a tilting-bolt design with the front and rear sights on different halves of the gun isn't conducive to accurate shooting at any range.

>>33020165
Your whole point rests on one video? With a sample size of one?

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Just bid on a FAL with a metric Argentenian parts kit and a Coonan reciever. Is that good or bad?

>>33020725
Not bad. Coonan isn't awful, but it's not great. It should work just fine, any problems will be straightforward to fix.

>>33020748
Sweet dude, that's good to hear. I bid $1,190, and it comes with 6 magazines and a reproduction Rhodesian chest rig. I'm breddy stoked.

>>33020791
That's a touch high, but not awful.

>>33021995
Are those Tapco FAL mags? How terrible are they?

I want to add a. 308 raifu to my collection eventually. What would you guys pic between a ptr91 or an fal?

I'm leaning towards the ptr ATM, I shot my friends c308 (I know lolcentury) and like how it felt and shot. Plus I really have a soft spot for hk stuff.

>>33022017
In the taco pouches? Those are Moses mags. They have been received very well.

>>33024137
If you liked how the C308 felt and like HK guns, then I'd say go with the PTR.

SCAR 17s /thread

>>33024394
Fags here have to save for months to get an $800 rifle man. Everyone knows that the SCAR 17 is the superior option, but the cost for most is too damn high.

Thats when you settle down and make a second choice.

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>>33014087
there is a reason for cosmetic surgery ugly things can become beautiful

>>33024528
Fair enough good sir. Happy hunting to my brothers with lesser means.

I was there once.

>>3302435ok cool. I just wasn't sure if there was a specific reason to choose in over the other or not. I also like the idea of 10 dollar or cheaper mags.

>>33024661
I'd rather have the stock 510 than that abomination.

>>33024796
At least that rifle has some aesthetic.

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>>32984823
>Want to join the BR club
>No money to spare
>Hold this and curse life

>>33024814
Piecemeal together an AR10!

>>33024808
Trying desperately to look like an AR is a shit aesthetic for something as unique as the 510. It's no looker on its own but tarting it up like that is even worse.

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>>33024846
I will eventually, but this rifle made my dick twink

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>>33024939
>Fuck, twitch, not twink

>>33024920
Unique doesn't mean good sunshine.
You don't have to have special snowflake lines to stand out. Hell the stock is based on HK models.

The grip is pure swisshit

I'll buy that the handguards are AR inspired. But people have been putting picatinny everything on everything since the stuff came out.

You like old shit, hate all this soulless new fangled stuff. We get it grandpa. You like "classic" lines which is basically just that your nostalgic for some shitty time in the past.

>>33024965
Nigga, I never said the stock 510 looked good. In fact, I said the opposite. Sometimes turds look better unpolished and that's true to me in this case. Sorry if my opinion has apparently offended you and raped your mother. I look forward to your next multiple paragraph reply on this stupid subjective subject.

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>>33025008
If your not going to stop being loudly wrong, at least do us a favor and dont breed.

I'm pretty new to the whole gun thing. Would one of you be so kind as to explain to me what the difference is between a battle rifle and an assault rifle? I've been wondering about this.

>>33025085
Same basic definition except that battle rifles are in a full sized caliber while assault rifles are intermediate.

>>33025085
Battle rifle is in a full power cartridge (7.62x51mm for example) and may be semi or fully automatic.

An assault rifle is an intermediate cartridge (7.62x39mm, 5.56x45mm for example) select fire weapob, full auto or some form of automatic burst.

>>33025085
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_rifle

>>33025100
>>33025105
Thank you friends

>>33025146
No problem, just remember, if it's not select fire it's not an assault rifle.

>>33025085
>Would one of you be so kind as to explain to me what the difference is between a battle rifle and an assault rifle?

No real difference as there's really no authority or definition of what constitutes a "battle rifle." In fact what we call battle rifles today where called assault rifles back in the mid-20th century. The word only came about when the military doctrine shifted to preferring smaller caliber rifles with large capacity and so the buzzword was created to label the old assault rifles that fired the bigger rounds. The only consensus that people to seem to agree on is that battle rifles typically shoot larger (.30+ cal) rounds than assault rifles.

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>>33025289
>Consensus
This isn't a safe space.

The term was coined by gunrag authors to be able to talk about the class of infantry rifles fielded after WW2 from the newer intermediate caliber rifles being fielded.

>>33024939
>>33024956
valmet m78 with modified g3 mag?

>>33025763
Looks like it, kind of expensive