Battle Rifle General?? /brg/

File: SVT-40.jpg (71KB, 1022x243px) Image search: [Google]

71KB, 1022x243px

will the SVT 40 ever get cheaper in the US?

G3 or FAL?

>>32958783
G3 if you actually want to do anything with it.
FAL if you just want to LARP as a Rhodie.
Honorary mention M14 if you're a fudd.

>>32958820
What's the best G3 value wise?

>>32958971
Century "CETME"s are hot garbage for poorfags.
PTR 91 is the best value.
VKE-91s are better if you can get your mitts on one.
HK91s are just short of the best but you're paying a collector's premium.
Then there's genuine CETMEs which are pretty good but won't work with a lot of HK parts and quite expensive as they are very collectable.
HK41s are worse than HK91s and even still more expensive because of collectors.
There's a few Norwegian AG3s in the country but none are registered machineguns and they're basically impossible to find. All HK aftermarket will fit.
And then there's real G3s which are fuckspensive as all hell but the genuine article and most are full auto, which is nice.

>>32958971
The century shit is $600 but hasn't exploded yet.
Ptrs are leaps and bounds ahead in terms of quality generally but might explode.
Brethren Arms is a scam.
Real HK91s are 4x+ the price of a PTR and barely any better.

>>32959035
>>32959076
sounds like PTR 91 it is then

So do battle rifles actually serve a purpose in the year 2017 or are you guys just collectors?

>>32959355
Personally, I like to collect historical firearms

>>32959355
If you can carry a BR and can afford to train and keep ammo stocked, then you've got a gun that is (often) precise and hits like a truck.

Excellent for hunting and competition.

You would also be the bane of any lightly to moderately armored personnel if a conflict were to break out.

File: Navy Seal Chris Kyle shitting on 5.56 babies.png (245KB, 861x806px) Image search: [Google]

245KB, 861x806px

>>32959355
Assault rifles are the meme, not battle rifles.

File: Vice Admiral and Navy SEAL Philip Gardner Howe in Ethos magazine volume 10 shitting on M4 babies.png (95KB, 880x982px) Image search: [Google]

95KB, 880x982px

>>32959355
>>32960279

>>32959355
For a practical all-purpose rifle, a battle rifle is going to outperform an intermediate cartridge rifle in pretty much every single category except close quarters maneuverability.

One of the big reasons high velocity intermediate cartridges gained popularity is the flat trajectory. Within it's effective range, it's essentially flat, which means it's significantly easier and faster to train raw recruits to competency. If you're buying a rifle to own and are willing to learn the (slightly) more involved terminal ballistics of 7.62, you get a round that outperforms intermediate cartridges at every range.

I know from experience on both the M16 and M4 platforms that both M193 and especially M885 have problems remaining lethal past 300m. With 7.62, you're starting with a projectile that's roughly three times the mass and 85% of the muzzle velocity. You can easily go out to 500 or 800 meters with regular, non-match 7.62 ammo and be confident that the round will still have enough energy to kill.

File: untitled1.jpg (63KB, 800x534px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 800x534px

What's the max effective range of a 2-3moa rifle?

>>32960738
3 MOA, 400 yards.
2 MOA, 600 yards.

File: Blue01.jpg (3MB, 4288x2848px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4288x2848px

>>32959355
I just hate money. Recently purchased a Benelli M4 and already have my eyes on more guns I don't need.

>>32960842
I am conflicted

File: Blue04.jpg (3MB, 4288x2848px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4288x2848px

>>32960917
Sorry

To make the SCAR or MWS into a full DMR.....

>>32960984
My heart says no but for some reason im fully erect, perhaps more pics will help me consolidate my feelings.

>>32961022
add glass?

File: Blue03.jpg (4MB, 4288x2848px) Image search: [Google]

4MB, 4288x2848px

>>32961218
Lewd.

File: DSCN5166_zpsclet9tyh.jpg (1MB, 2009x791px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2009x791px

>>32961237
And a bipod.
Thinking an NXS 3.5-15, Mk6 3-18, ATACR 5-25

My mind says the MWS, my benis says SCAR

File: Blue02.jpg (3MB, 4288x2848px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4288x2848px

>>32961277
Trust your benis.

>>32961277
>>32961308
As a lowly deli worker i gave up the 3k for the scar. Best decision of my life.

>>32961308
>>32961242
>>32960984
>>32960842
Do you prefer the charging handle on the right side?

File: 1_26.jpg (33KB, 600x600px) Image search: [Google]

33KB, 600x600px

>>32961323
I have both rifles. Trying to figure out which to put the scope im picking up next month on.

Assuming I dont go full retard and get a clip on.

>>32961336
I swap it. If I am bench shooting with my scope then I keep it on the right, otherwise its on the left.

>>32961412
That makes sense, I shoot mostly standing, so i keep it on the left.

What's the average MOA on a PTR with a 16 inch heavy barrel?

>>32961769
3-4.
If you want accuracy from a PTR you need to get one of the premium models.

>>32959076
why might a PTR explode?

File: DSC_7667.jpg (177KB, 1024x683px) Image search: [Google]

177KB, 1024x683px

Hello thread

>>32961834
What did you use for lighting?

File: 15151434_10154560620994892_1159206551_n.jpg (41KB, 360x640px) Image search: [Google]

41KB, 360x640px

>>32958483
>no bully pls

>>32961865

Is that the fucking thing that takes forever to break down for cleaning?

File: pECYNfMPNLsVJai.jpg (63KB, 456x402px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 456x402px

>>32961896
Yes, but I recall we sold a bunch of them a while back when they were ~$1,000. Never had one person come and complain to us that they didn't love it. One said it looked like an ugly whore, but fucked like a pornstar.

>>32961925
>One said it looked like an ugly whore, but fucked like a pornstar.

Ur mum: The Rifle

>>32961985
>5.56
If I wanted to shoot coyotes, sure.

>>32961985
Make an HK403.

>>32959612
BANE!

>>32958820
>G3 if you actually want to do anything with it.
>FAL if you just want to LARP as a Rhodie.

Why do you say that? I've always heard the FAL was a better choice for most people, as the FAL's gas system softens recoil more than the G3's roller delayed blowback. What does the G3 do that the FAL doesn't.

>>32961856

Ambient light I think. Why?

>>32962056
Can be purchased with SNAP benefits

>>32962064
I like the lighting effect. Warm glow to everything.

>>32962056
More accurate and more reliable.

>>32962097
not really, but sure, keep on thinking that

>>32962066
Oh snap son!

File: 1427642431167.gif (386KB, 500x281px) Image search: [Google]

386KB, 500x281px

what battle rifles are 1moa?

Is there less of an advantage to having a semi auto 308 vs a 5.56?

With a .308 I think I might just be happy with a bolt action bull barrel rem 700.. I would be shooting long range and don't see the huge advantage of auto reloading

>>32962116
I mean the G3 design itself is inherently more accurate to the point where they made normal G3s into DMRs and it's been proven that the roller delayed blow back holds up to adverse conditions better.

>>32961856

Probably a phone.

>>32962056

the G3 kicks like a mofo i hate that system in large caliber

>>32962146
Many 308ARs, SCAR 17s, FNAR (close enough), a babied M14.

>>32962151
>I mean the G3 design itself is inherently more accurate to the point where they made normal G3s into DMRs and it's been proven that the roller delayed blow back holds up to adverse conditions better.

>inherently

>>32962173
>Many 308ARs, SCAR 17s, FNAR (close enough), a babied M14.

good to know, i thought 1moa semi auto .308s were rare

File: Reach out.jpg (62KB, 713x736px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 713x736px

>>32962151
>He thinks mud tests are valid

>>32962179
>inherently
>in a permanent, essential, or characteristic way
If you don't know what a word means, you can just google it. You don't need to ask us.

>>32962195
Realistically, anything that was designed or overhauled since the 80s will do it. Most were dropped like a bad habit in the 70s.

>>32962203

roller delayed blowback does not make a rifle inherently more accurate

>>32962214
Versus something like the M14 or FAL, it does.

>>32962220
>Versus something like the M14 or FAL, it does.

no the delayed roller does not increase accuracy inherently

>>32962220
Then why are most examples of all of them about 3moa in accuracy?

File: 20161130_155457.jpg (2MB, 1458x2289px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1458x2289px

>>32958820

Pretty much.

>>32962214
>>32962225
It does in comparison to its competitors. A free floated barrel sure helps too.

>>32962225
How does it not, you parrotastic nigger?

>>32962233
>How does it not, you parrotastic nigger?

the question would really be "how does having a roller delayed blowback increase accuracy"

>>32962275
Having recoil in line with the barrel helps. You also don't have a tilting bolt like in the FAL.

>>32962275
Free float barrel

Bolt movement is in line with system (Not tilting like FAL)

Your turn.

>>32962296

but the bolt does not begin to tilt till the bullet is practically out of the barrel

we all know the fal is not that accurate but vs the m14 or AR platform i don't see the "inherent" advantage

>>32962296
>Bolt movement is in line with system (Not tilting like FAL)
>>32962296
>Having recoil in line with the barrel helps. You also don't have a tilting bolt like in the FAL.

you guys are repeating memes

>>32962335
Memes can be true. In this case it is.

>>32962316

Well the M14 by design has the barrel and gas system flopping all over the place. I own one.

The AR is inherently more accurate.

>>32962304
Bolt movement isnt a problem with the FAL, unless you mean the inconsistent ammo pressure against it.

File: 20170210_163531.jpg (3MB, 4032x2268px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4032x2268px

>>32958483
Went to the gun shop yesterday.
They didn't have a glock 34 so I picked this up instead.
What's in the box, /k/?

>>32962418

20 pounds of pussy and ass

File: 100_0181.jpg (3MB, 4608x3456px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4608x3456px

>>32962418
Probably should have gotten the G34

>>32962418

Since you were gonna buy a g34 I am guessing an M14

>>32962418

the suspense is killing me

File: 20170210_165001.jpg (3MB, 4032x2268px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4032x2268px

>>32962429
They stopped offering hard cases :(
>>32962433
Picking one up Friday. I was wanting to send it to Taran, but with the John Wick movie (amazing btw) I don't think I'd get it back for most of a year.

File: IMG_20161215_170901744.jpg (2MB, 2327x3173px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2327x3173px

>>32962466
I like their mag extensions.

>>32962466
>>32962440
>Since you were gonna buy a g34 I am guessing an M14

did this anon nail it?

>>32962488
I am assuming that anon is my little brother who got to shoot in yesterday.
Give me a few minutes to take a shitty picture with my phone.

>>32962498
Does it have a lug at least?
>the family that posts together

>>32962466
>>32962498

If this is a scout length rifle I'm going to rape your father.

>>32962440

this guy here, I knew it was going to be an M1a

I work in a fun store and anyone wanting a g34 would go right for an M1a as a second choice

i know the type

File: 1425176057087.jpg (312KB, 1280x1880px) Image search: [Google]

312KB, 1280x1880px

>>32962498
>I am assuming that anon is my little brother who got to shoot in yesterday.

nope, i just know your kind

File: 100_0179.jpg (2MB, 4597x1899px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 4597x1899px

>>32962513
You know nothing john snow

>>32962532

LMT would have been second choice

File: 100_0192.jpg (3MB, 4365x3157px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4365x3157px

>>32962542
The LMT came last

File: 20170211_202821.jpg (3MB, 4032x2268px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4032x2268px

>>32962526
>>32962513
Explain
>>32962509
Don't worry, Anon. It's full sized

>>32962565
Step one: http://www.keepshooting.com/m14-flash-hider.html

File: 1427236853609.png (1MB, 960x643px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 960x643px

>>32962565

I just know how you are, I mean i guessed right didn't I?

what more proof do I need?

>>32962565

the only thing i dont like about the m1a is there is no good way to mount a scope to it

File: IMG_20170202_184137954_HDR.jpg (3MB, 2432x4320px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 2432x4320px

Am I /battlerifle/, guys?

File: LoserFruit.jpg (155KB, 640x640px) Image search: [Google]

155KB, 640x640px

>>32962589
I mean, it wasn't my second choice.
They didn't couldn't order an Arsenal with the quad rail and this pupper was begging to be shot.

>>32961784
>If you want accuracy from a PTR you need to get one of the premium models.
This is bullshit, they all come with the same barrel quality.

File: 1432857747591.jpg (362KB, 800x941px) Image search: [Google]

362KB, 800x941px

>>32962619

I knew you would say that

>>32962617

is that 308 or 7.62x54r?

File: 1478898408792.jpg (541KB, 5184x3456px) Image search: [Google]

541KB, 5184x3456px

>>32962606
Sure there is

>>32962617
no, but close enough

>>32962635
Nothing but green mountain for quality, amirite?

>>32962641
Either way, I like it.
My tall spooky skeleton brother shot it and I think .308 is a bit big for him until he puts on more weight.

>>32962665

>pistol red dot on a 600 yard capable battle rifle

no

>>32962665
Does my M1 Garand count?

File: tumblr_ncpr4vPHyK1s9ykvxo1_1280.jpg (226KB, 530x800px) Image search: [Google]

226KB, 530x800px

>>32962679

>600 yard capable battle rifle

no

>>32962654
7.62x54r

>>32962665
Does it make I better if I'm looking to build a Slavic approximation of a G3SG/1 out of it (20.5" barrel, 4x or 8x POSP/PSO, better FCG, versapod, etc?)

>>32962702
>>600 yard capable battle rifle
>no

considering people routinely shoot plates at that distance with stock m1as using iron sights, i would say

yes

>>32962635
Dude the good ones have a 1 MOA guarantee. Don't try to tell me a $900 PTR 91 GI is a MOA gun.

>>32962718
No.
Its not a battle rifle, its close enough for this thread though.

>>32962742
>Its not a battle rifle,

why not?

>>32962725
"plates" have virtually no meaning without diameters.
And a babied M14 is accurate.But thats not a fair approximation of the rifle if you need to fondle it just so or it goes to shit

File: Be mad.png (389KB, 935x1159px) Image search: [Google]

389KB, 935x1159px

>>32962759
See pic

>>32962731
> 1 MOA guarantee
?

>>32962731
The MSG 91 SS is not a battle rifle, it's closer to the PSG than the G3.
Honestly at that price point just buy a SCAR 17S.

>>32962784

so basically you are saying all semi autos are not battle rifles?

>>32962802
The term doesnt technically apply to your rifle.
But its close enough for the purposes of this thread.
Garands arent battle rifles, but close enough
FNARs arent battle rifles, but close enough
HCARs arent battle rifles, but close rnough

>>32960557
5,56 rifles ware never ment to be used outside that range anyway.

>>32962833
>5,56
I though the yuros would be asleep by now

>>32960279
>trusting anything Chris Kyle had to say

shiggy

>>32962731
It sure as fuck is. Stay mad falboy.

>>32962871
If your going to reply to four hours old posts, at least do it all together in one post.

File: USMC Major Anthony Milavic - veteran of a 25 year military career - compiles evidence to shit on 5.56 babies.png (82KB, 1252x843px) Image search: [Google]

82KB, 1252x843px

>>32962871

>>32962896

is it legal or allowed for a solider to bring his own 70 year old 1911 to battle in the US Military?

>>32962871
>getting Chris Kyle wrong
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Chris was a fan of the 300 win mag and 338

File: Nathan Foster - owner of Terminal Ballistics Research - shitting on 5.56 babies.png (22KB, 635x243px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 635x243px

>>32962926
I have not the faintest idea but it's among my favorite confirmed war stories. Just imagining it gets me rock hard and I don't even like 1911s.

>>32962926
Why would you want to bring a pistol in a rifle fight?
Especially an old shitty one?

You plan on being a chaplains assistant or a medic?

File: IMG_20170130_163349_01.gif (724KB, 356x222px) Image search: [Google]

724KB, 356x222px

>>32961242
That's very fuckin slick anon. Do you work for FN?

>>32962956

read the story

>>32962926
>is it legal or allowed for a solider to bring his own 70 year old 1911 to battle in the US Military?

fuck no

they issue you an M9 and you better use it

>>32962993
>They issue you an M9
if you dont do much

>>32962999

as a sidearm/backup anon

nobody is allowed to bring their own 1911, that's for sure

>>32963010
Why not just carry an extra couple magazines?

>>32963041

because your M14 could fail and rendered inoperable?

>>32963059
M14?
Is this sixty years ago or some shit?

File: buttcheck.gif (2MB, 460x252px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 460x252px

>>32963059
A 9mm with FMJ rounds is clearly the solution

>>32963100

that's what the military has decided is an acceptable backup

>>32963121
>Backup
Thats not what a sidearm is used for though in the preponderance of situations.

>>32963082

meant M4

so sorry

>>32963134
>Thats not what a sidearm is used for though in the preponderance of situations.

what do you say it's used for?

>>32963156
Not that anon, but in the military, sidearms are usually given to officers and the type not regularly issued rifles.

>>32963156
Medics, officers, lazy senior NCOs, etc.

>>32963180
>>32963178

Are you saying soldiers in combat don't carry a backup weapon of any kind?

i honestly thought they were required to

>>32963198
Soldiers is a broad term.
Riflemen and typical infantrymen don't carry side arms.
Spec ops, shock troops, certain scout units, etc. may.

>>32963198
Generally speaking, no
The go to cover, and try remedial action.

>>32963226
>Riflemen and typical infantrymen don't carry side arms.
>>32963237
>Generally speaking, no

I did not know this

learn something everyday i guess

>>32963252
another interesting tid bit is SOCOM adpoted the Glock 19's for concealment.

>>32963252
Handguns cost a lot of money, and handing them out like candy wouldn't accomplish much.
Of course then you have those times where a medic gets promoted to officer and is issued two handguns and is presumably expected to go John Woo because the right hand doesn't know why the left won't stop jerking off.

File: glock-special-19-roland-9.jpg (41KB, 1000x667px) Image search: [Google]

41KB, 1000x667px

>>32963287
>concealment
Its still OWB generally, but that is a component of it.
The poverty special made an impression

>>32960557
Except in that one tiny "recoil" and "weight" area, the two biggest reasons modern militaries switched to intermediates over 50 years ago. But other than that yeah.

>>32963320
I'm 6'0 175lbs and carry it iwb no issues.

>>32963395
Its generally carried OWB for speed of draw. Military modes of dress often have the waistline covered.

>>32962863
Cant sleep, thinking about much 5,56.

>>32958510
If Trump opens relation up with Russia more then yes.

>>32961242
>>32960984
>>32960842
I hereby dub this color "FN Blue"

>>32962731
>>32961784
Nigga Wut?

I have the ugly ass Carbine model with Heavy barrel and its 1.25 MOA fucking easy.

Fucking shoot one before opening your cock holster.

File: Based FNH.jpg (267KB, 1226x834px) Image search: [Google]

267KB, 1226x834px

>>32964146
FN has no spec for it, but it's close enough

>>32961865
>>32961896
>>32961925
DESU

I would have probably bought this if my PTR wasnt an older JLD i got for 725 and if the mags werent 54 fucking dollars a piece.

>>32964195
hnnnnnng

File: 13725573_178493389237382_556833921_n.jpg (147KB, 640x721px) Image search: [Google]

147KB, 640x721px

>>32964302
FN will do that to a man

>>32962702
>Garand
>Not 600yd capable

Jesus you're a fucking pleb.

>>32964476
So do tiny girls with guns

>>32964476
>those trailer trash tattoos
kys

>>32964660
ATTENTION:

Everyone needs to stop what they're doing and pay attention to this man and his negative opinion.
...
...
...
See, no one cares about your opinion.

How would you go about accurizing a PTR GI? I'm just going to ignore the autism earlier in the thread.

I'm looking in to getting one, and 3-4moa isn't really appealing.

File: drugdealersarecoffinfillersduterte.jpg (90KB, 640x444px) Image search: [Google]

90KB, 640x444px

>>32961865
GTFO

Found a century FAL at a local pawn shop for $800. What are some things I should look for to tell if it is a decent one and not a lemon? Any visual signs? It had a century receiver.

>>32965100
Go to a gun store, your local one works.
Offer the PTR as a trade in for a SW MP10.

You have now accurized it!

>>32961985
Are they making a .308 version? Will the civilian versions cost most than the SCARs?
>>32962146
AR10's too

>>32967366
Just kind of announced for the DDR trials
May not even make it to the trials, let alone in .308, let alone civ versions of it.

Wait five years, maybe. And its an HK, they will peg the price to be at least 10% higher than the SCAR.

>>32964696
I care.

>>32964095
Trump pls giv cheap auto nugget

File: 1486610019088.gif (814KB, 500x281px) Image search: [Google]

814KB, 500x281px

>>32967912
>$350 SVTs
>$200 Tula SKSs
>new SVDs
>Bizons
>all those Russian Hi-Power and 1911 knockoffs

File: tumblr_oik7mydN3p1t4o0z6o1_1280.jpg (229KB, 1280x672px) Image search: [Google]

229KB, 1280x672px

>>32967912
St. Mattis says Russia is our biggest security concern.

>>32968022
Mattis is a gaping vagina.

>>32965100
get a more better ptr

>>32968022

what a surprise. russia has been the boogeyman used to increase military spending for the past 50 years, no shit mattis will say that.

>>32968052
Russia hasnt been the boogeyman for 25 years

>>32968061

do you have a single fact to back that up

File: Military_Expenditure_Graph_.jpg (39KB, 581x365px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 581x365px

>>32968073

File: IMG_4344.jpg (91KB, 825x619px) Image search: [Google]

91KB, 825x619px

What sort of optic should I slap on my HK91? I was thinking a setup like pic related, but with the HK21 charging handle and OD furniture.

>>32968094
>pic related, but with the HK21 charging handle and OD furniture
I too enjoyed Battlefield 3.

File: IMG_5043.jpg (19KB, 346x177px) Image search: [Google]

19KB, 346x177px

>>32968101
>Not CoD4
Get on my level.

File: 1481819675959.jpg (48KB, 532x271px) Image search: [Google]

48KB, 532x271px

>>32968151
Oh, how disgusting.

>>32968184
Sheet metal guns all are, arent they

>>32968151

>scroll-fires internally

>>32958483
shoulda let it die

So boys

I want to get my first battle rifle. What should it be?

I'd like an ar10 bc I like the ar15 platform but it looks like a good one is out of my budget range, might as well get an m14 at those prices.

>>32969727
A good m14 is like $2400 though

>>32968094
>>32968151
NOTICE ME TOK-SAN

File: calibers.jpg (104KB, 586x750px) Image search: [Google]

104KB, 586x750px

>>32960279
???

File: CNStarget.jpg (71KB, 800x532px) Image search: [Google]

71KB, 800x532px

>>32969905
.

File: Doctor Martin Fackler - Navy field medic and Army Colonel - shits on 5.56 babies.png (39KB, 656x427px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 656x427px

>>32969905
Same doctor as the one who did the tests you posted by the way.

>>32969971
Fackler isnt wrong, just dated.
Cite Roberts if you want to be the most correct.

File: thefunniestguy.jpg (134KB, 468x330px) Image search: [Google]

134KB, 468x330px

>>32969933
>sufficient enough to disrupt both the Medulla Oblongata & Motor Cortex
>Medulla Oblongata

>>32969769
W I T N E S S E D

>>32961809
Because that's what you say when you're full of shit.

>>32962056
Don't take things you read on k as representative of the opinions of people who actually have fired real guns before. Most of these people are comparing COD stats for their comparisons.

File: 1486892012942m.jpg (93KB, 662x1024px) Image search: [Google]

93KB, 662x1024px

>>32968094
This is what I wanna do but I have wood furniture. Ordered my scope and claw mount from rtg this weekend, I'll buy the sliding stock next month. I'm just hoping that it stays nice and shootable, I'd hate to have wasted money on that dope looking stock

>>32962056
Actually hit things.

>>32970592
FAL is way better in COD though.

>>32970740
FAL is way better though
>FTFY

File: IMG_20170212_141126.jpg (259KB, 1174x764px) Image search: [Google]

259KB, 1174x764px

>>32968094
Poorfag mode. 4-14 with R-Grid reticle.

>>32971031
If your going to poorfag it up with a PTR, your doing it well.

That said, you should have gone AR10 if it didn't bore you too much.

File: BestBRs.jpg (3MB, 3901x2113px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 3901x2113px

FAL has better balance and control placement
G3 is a more durable platform with more inherent accuracy as a design.

If you want a 308 DMR you should get a G3
If you want a 308 rifle for sub 300 yard work (especially up close) consider an FAL

>Yes the FAL works fine past 300 yards, its a fucking battle rifle
>>32968094
That stock sucks for optics and you will want the wide handguard or something modular to mount a real bipod on

File: ptr91fr (7 of 16).jpg (121KB, 1000x540px) Image search: [Google]

121KB, 1000x540px

>>32962635
They offer upgraded barrels.

>>32962229

It looks like it still has cosmoline mixed with KY smeared all over it.

>>32962960
Negative, just love the brand.

>>32964146
>>32964195
Yeah, the Anodized Blue from GunKote was the closest I could find to their color so thats what I went with.

>>32964476

Look at those delicious muscle arms on Brunehilda!

My viking war goddess!

>>32971116
>Durable
Sheet metal and needing to check bolt gap isn't what id call reliable. Variants can get pretty accurate, and it's reliable enough.

If you want a DMR, more modern designs are better

>>32971116
I don't mean to be pedantic, but I'm going to anyways. It's more precise to say the G3 lacks the inherent inaccuracy of the FAL. As the cause if entirely on the FAL's side - the magazine putting inconsistent pressure on the bolt.
Controls are entirely preference and I find it's usually influenced by whatever gun you learned to shoot with. As someone who learned to shoot with an AK I find the FAL is 100 flavors of wrong. Most people learned to shoot with an AR or something copying an AR control scheme though, so I can see why I'm in the minority here.
Whether roller delayed blowback gives you a "rhythmic" or "clunky" recoil impulse is again, subjective. I know the TFB TV guy agrees with me here, probably a few others exist.

For me the only thing the FAL does right is look extremely fucking cool.

File: 1408032352702.png (248KB, 608x479px) Image search: [Google]

248KB, 608x479px

>>32971193
If you want anything practical more modern designs are better. The only people who use either in a real combat situation are people who just happen to have one already, namely Africans.

File: DSCN7380.jpg (174KB, 719x1177px) Image search: [Google]

174KB, 719x1177px

Anyone ever read about the Israeli use of Uzi 9mm as a battle rifle? When they stormed temple mount during the 6 day war they used massive numbers of hand grenades, pretty much spamming grenades and a mega loadout of uzi 9mil magazines.

Spam nades, and accurate 9mm fire from the shoulder stock uzi as a subgun rifle.

Now the 5.56 has replaced the UZI as a battle rifle with a light weight and light weight ammunition, but there was a time when the UZI was used in such a role.

>>32971095
$3.80 cents for mags and better reliability with steel cased.

File: 839.png (181KB, 400x345px) Image search: [Google]

181KB, 400x345px

>>32971264
>Uzi 9mm
>battle rifle
>5.56
>battle rifle
Hint: Battle rifle does not mean rifle used in a battle, just like assault rifle does not mean rifle used in an assault.

File: IMG_20170212_172705.jpg (1MB, 3120x3120px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 3120x3120px

Any other RFB guys? Just finished cleaning both of these guns a bit ago. The scope is new, I should hopefully find time to dial it in next weekend.

>>32971239
Fun fact, a decent battle rifle can relatively easily be made to do 1.5 moa. This is going to be generally good enough to get to 800m. Further than that, and you shouldn't really be going with 308

Ergonomic rifles are better shooters, and adjusting from one control layout to another is a software issue.

Battle Rifles designed before the 80s are going to need more into them to make them go into that 1.5 or better, but they all can do it.

>>32971264
9mm ammo and .223 ammo weigh the same generally

File: france-troop2.jpg (318KB, 2304x1296px) Image search: [Google]

318KB, 2304x1296px

>>32971289

Seen more battle than any of your safe queens faggot.

Battle means just that, used in fucking battle.
Usage in battle.

Not your milspec gear queer safe queen circle jerk FAMAS that gets dropped by a french commando with his backpack stuffed with sneakers instead of magazines and ammo.

I don't even know why the fuck I post here sometimes.

>>32971281
Mag costs and using inferior ammo are not a concern for all

>>32971331
Battle rifle means more than has been used in a battle junior. Maybe should stop posting here. Lurk moar

File: Capture.png (27KB, 791x349px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 791x349px

>>32971331
You sure about that?

>>32971331
I don't care if you use an intermediate caliber rifle and a time machine to fight in every single battle in the history of the world that won't make it a battle rifle. Battle rifle is a term that has meaning. You are using it wrong. You're also stupid, and when confronted about your stupidity you get angry. You're angry and stupid. I don't know why you post here either, maybe you should stop. You suck and I hate you.

>>32971351

Sorry fuckboy but you do not get to assign the definition of what the fuck battle means anymore than you leftist marxist cucks get to pretend that more than 2 genders exist.

Go back to your little Battle Strike X station games opening key lockboxes on your feeding streamings kiddo.

>>32971294
I actually really want an RFB just because I think it would be a ton of fun.

Do you like yours?

File: CAM00337.jpg (1MB, 2592x1944px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2592x1944px

>>32971333
I never said they were. I was replying to explain why I poorfagged a PTR over an AR10.

>>32971289
Completely valid point to that anon you are replying to.

But I mean an assault rifle does actually mean a rifle used in an assault, just in the specific 'storm the enemy positions' definition of the word not the generic 'used to attack someone' definition of the word.

File: Ger vs Bra.webm (3MB, 1012x568px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1012x568px

>>32971372
>Being this new
Holy fuck, your newfag is showing and your flaunting it

>>32971331
Lebaitfish.jpg

>>32971193
>Sheet metal and needing to check bolt gap isn't what id call reliable.
Lol, I have ran HK roller delayed guns missing several parts without even realizing that they were missing. They ran 100%, how many parts can you pull out of any other BR and have it run just fine?
>If you want a DMR, more modern designs are better
Cool I wasnt comparing a G3 to a SCAR
>>32971239
The fal controls are all tight and close which means you can move between them with minimum waste. I grew up shooting milsurp rifles with full sized rounds so the recoil impulse doesnt bother me on either.

>>32971402

Probably some marxist Wikipedia editor trying to change the definition of our glorious history to label our rifles as dangerous with their left wing pinko commy buzzwords like "Assault Rifle" and "high powered", "battle" and "High capacity".

People who do this deserve helicopter rides.

File: 1456739602558.png (86KB, 625x626px) Image search: [Google]

86KB, 625x626px

>>32971422

>>32971386
$10 308AR mags are out there and most ARs do fine with steel cased if your bcg is good.

>>32971422
Trying waaaaaay too hard to come on man invest yourself

>>32971380
I really like it, ergonomically its exactly what a bullpup is supposed to be. The center of gravity is right there on the pistol grip. Fully loaded I can balance it by just putting two hands on the grip like it's a pistol.

To note I have experienced failures to feed here and there. It seems to occur when the thermold magazines are loaded all the way to 20. I have had no malfunctions with ejection which honestly surprised me a bit with the forward ejection design but it's performed flawlessly.

I haven't had a chance to really dial it in and see how good of groups I can get yet. I had a shitty red dot on there for a while until I could get the scope I just put on there. I should hopefully have some results next weekend.

I've also almost exclusively used the surplus ammo you can buy in those convenient 140rd packs.

File: GarM6qoEMgN1V92zUvvzlyIIOxy6DqNOjF9ZDSd2Vwg.jpg (106KB, 586x768px) Image search: [Google]

106KB, 586x768px

>>32971405

>Posts soccer video

Yup definitely a noguns unarmed Eurocuck subject and slave who begs the state for protection under their monopoly on force posting in this thread.

An American would have posted the New England patriots winning the super bowl .gif of Tom Brady wearing a Trump hat.

/k/ needs to ban all IP addresses from no guns nations. These subjects and slaves have no business posting on our free independent patriotic armed citizen gun board.

So sick you you noguns unarmed marxist shills posting here.

This fucking board needs flags just like /pol/ so we can call out these faggots when they shitpost and fuck our threads up.

File: tumblr_nz9p7ho0FY1tre780o1_1280.jpg (459KB, 1280x1439px) Image search: [Google]

459KB, 1280x1439px

>>32971469
The quality of bait has really taken a decline.
Sad.

File: Imbel FAL kit 2.jpg (1MB, 2988x1681px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2988x1681px

Someday.

>>32971193
>Sheet metal
Beats nylon plastic and aluminum.
>needing to check bolt gap
Ah yes, every 10k rounds. Forsooth woe is me.

>>32971465
Cool man, if I can find a deal on one I may buy it. It's a gun I've wanted on and off for a little while.

>>32971651
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-Straightening-Mandrel-Set-11p1028.htm

File: 20170107_225559-1-1.jpg (1004KB, 1024x1365px) Image search: [Google]

1004KB, 1024x1365px

>>32958783
I have both an prefer the G3. The FAL is a great rifle but I love the reliability of the G3, it just won't fail. The FAL is very reliable too and the gas can be adjusted very easily for a dirty gun or shitty ammo. The only think I wish for the G3 is that there was a BHO. The bolt is so heavy and violent it would beat the shit out of whatever was trying to hold it so I get why it doesn't.

Pic related. My PTR with some neat extras and a STG-58 early DSA build.

>>32971672
I found this at a gun show last year. They were going pretty high but I found a decent deal for this one. Doesn't seem like a gun you'll find hanging on the wall at a store so I grabbed one when I had the chance.

>>32971678
>This set will help set your receivers to factory specs. With the many aftermarket receivers out in the field these tools will make sure your product / receivers meet factory specs.
I'm sorry you can't read.

>>32964095
Which won't happen until Putin agrees to stop taking back Russia's rebellious districts.

>>32962822
Your source says the term doesnt technically apply to any rifle that isnt currently in a configuration which allows it to fire in full auto. Thats a shit argument.

>>32971970
>close enough for the purposes of this thread

>>32972121
Then why bother mentioning it at all if literally every gun in every one of these threads is not a battle rifle?

>>32971712
Bro, I have the 5x with a QD mount but the eye relief and height made it unusable on my PTR.

>>32971970
You didnt read the whole page did you?

File: CAM00356-1.jpg (217KB, 1043x1685px) Image search: [Google]

217KB, 1043x1685px

>>32972209
I was thinking of setting this AR up for a varmint rifle.

I'd like to try to use it plinking at extended ranges.

>>32972223
Im not seeing any other thing on the page that would exclude those rifles from the battle rifle category

>>32972298
service rifle

>>32972328
The garand was a service rifle

>>32972360
Designed before WW2

File: 20170102_202604.jpg (1MB, 3264x1836px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 3264x1836px

>>32971150

Nah, its just unthinned paint applied with a sock.

Not gonna confirm or deny the KY part though.

File: 20170212_161533.jpg (1MB, 1200x1600px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1200x1600px

>>32972209
I don't have a problem with it. It's the primary arms 5x. The eye relief is 3 inches, I don't have a qd mount so it sits pretty low. Comfy as fuck. I don't even have it back all the way.

>>32972435
The QD mount actually let it sit a little lower and farther back. I had to chin weld.

I do really like the clarity and I have a bunch of primary arms optics. Got the 5x mounted but not fired on eBay for $190.

>>32972373
>it matches the concept of a battle rifle but was designed before we started using the term
>so its not a battle rifle
Thats the sort of elitist pedantic shit ive come to expect from the gun community.

>>32961865
>probably most accurate for the price
>probably least reliable for the price
>definitely most ridiculous to basic maintenance period.
I don't even know man

File: walking-the-dog-and-horse.jpg (185KB, 855x960px) Image search: [Google]

185KB, 855x960px

>>32972518
Its used to separate the WW2 and earlier designs from the designs that came after.

File: 1486001725811.gif (2MB, 451x257px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 451x257px

>>32972482
Do you have a tiny head or something? About 10 people have shot that gun and nobody have to chin weld. Not trying to be a dick, I just don't get what you mean. My eye is about 3/4 or am inch higher than it would be with the diopter.

File: 1478822194375.jpg (136KB, 768x960px) Image search: [Google]

136KB, 768x960px

>>32961998
i shoot humans

File: G3K.jpg (30KB, 800x378px) Image search: [Google]

30KB, 800x378px

>>32960557
>pretty much every single category except close quarters maneuverability.
G3K would be perfectly suitable (relative to an AK or AR) in CQB.

File: hqdefault.jpg (12KB, 480x360px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 480x360px

>>32972694
I shoot dogs

>>32972707
>How would you like your recoil?
>Absolutely fuck my shit up.
>Say no more.

File: Nicole-Gay-1408055634.gif (1007KB, 400x221px) Image search: [Google]

1007KB, 400x221px

>>32964660
faggot detected

>>32972715
You fire flamethrowers from the hip anyway.

File: PTR and WASR.jpg (1MB, 2592x1110px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2592x1110px

>>32959355
For civvies like me: Better for hunting than .223/7.62x39 and hella fun plinking.

>>32960557
>except close quarters maneuverability
My PTR-91K is only the slightest bit longer than my (unfolded) AK.

>>32972642
My head is fucking huge lol.

File: all together home 2.jpg (2MB, 2615x1681px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2615x1681px

>>32972735
My GI is relatively long compared to my others. The stock adds a couple extra inches though.

>>32972774
Mine's a GI-K. Which has a shorter barrel. It brings the two within 2 - 3 inches of difference. And I ever feel like jumping through the hoops, I'm getting a PTR-PDW and converting it into a G3K like >>32972707 which would make it MORE compact than my AK by 8 or so inches.

File: PTR and WASR Open.jpg (2MB, 2592x1936px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2592x1936px

>>32972810
Forgot pic

File: 20-bullet-clipazines_09-17-2016_A.jpg (698KB, 768x1024px) Image search: [Google]

698KB, 768x1024px

>>32972735
>>32972774
Until I built my AR my PTR was the shortest rifle I owned.

File: hk91.jpg (93KB, 576x799px) Image search: [Google]

93KB, 576x799px

>>32972810
>>32972707
>G3K
Its a HK51K, reeee

How awful is this deal?
http://tsswarehouse.com/shop/delton-echo-carbine-308-win-16-bbl-20rd-black-del-ton-r3fth160/

>>32973173
HK has a million names for all their products, I wouldn't be surprised if both are correct.

>>32973238
No they dont, many names were invented by smiths and importers who have worked on the platform for years

>>32973175
Buy it and find out; doesn't seem like a bad rifle and at that price I'd take it over a C308 for sure.

>>32958483
So what is the definition of a battle rifle? What's the general consensus.
I ask because all battle rifles are assault rifles.
I've always considered guns like the M14, FAL, G3, and CETME to be battle rifles.
With guns like the SVT, MAS 49, M1 to be self loading rifles. And the BAR and Chautchat to be automatic rifles.

>>32973350
>I ask because all battle rifles are assault rifles.
No

>I've always considered guns like the M14, FAL, G3, and CETME to be battle rifles.
Yes

>>32973350
Battle rifles are pretty much the same as assault rifles except in full sized calibers rather than intermediate.

>>32973368
Battle rifles are assault rifles.
>select fire or not(i don't really care for this being a requirement)
>magazine fed
>intermediate cartridge
What's not assault rifle about that?

>>32973261
Allow me to rephrase, every major HK platform (G3, HK33, MP5, HK21) has a bunch of startlingly similar variants all with different names - many given by HK themselves.

>>32973543
>>intermediate cartridge
Battle rifles are not intermediate cartridges. That's like, their entire thing. .308 is not an intermediate cartridge.

>>32960291
I don't understand this story. Who were they shooting at who later came in saying they were shot?

>>32973543
>7.62 nato
>intermediate
that's a full power rifle round bro

>>32973613
>>32973586
.308 is an intermediate cartridge. It was designed as a weaker 30-06 with a similar trajectory. It is shorter than all the other rifle cartridges around when it was developed.

>>32973792
Precisely, it's a cut down .30-06, not a compromise between rifle and pistol calibers. You have to think about the atmosphere when the distinction was made. There were rifles and there were sub machine guns. These "intermediate cartridges" popped up between them, and .308 was decidedly a rifle cartridge at the time.
As with the majority of the classifications humans have applied to the world around them, it's rather arbitrary but that's how it is.

>>32973792
>Shorter than all around
Topkek

File: boom.webm (2MB, 640x352px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 640x352px

>>32973792
>.308 is an intermediate cartridge
You are a special kind of stupid.

>>32974182
>DSA© quality

File: ar10sneak1.jpg (124KB, 2000x1333px) Image search: [Google]

124KB, 2000x1333px

>>32958820
can someone help a nofuns here?
Why the ar10 is not considered a battle rifle and/or just not considered reliable enough?

File: 1475706424617.jpg (438KB, 1500x749px) Image search: [Google]

438KB, 1500x749px

>>32974370
It is. It's just that the G3, FAL, and M14 are considered the main three classic battle rifles since the AR10 didn't see as much use.

>>32974370
There's hundreds of battle rifles. The G3, FAL, and M14 are the "big three" because they saw use when battle rifles were actually relevant weapons and not exclusively the tools of piss poor countries and special forces.

File: 5d6.jpg (28KB, 600x600px) Image search: [Google]

28KB, 600x600px

>>32973792
Uh... no

The point of the .308 was to have a bullet with the same ballistics of the 30-06, but uses less brass.

Less brass = less resources to be used = more rounds for the same material.

the 30-06 dates back to the end of the 19th century, by the 50's there were improvements in propellent that made less propellent as efficient as the amount used in the 30-06. so a shorter cartridge was used, this has nothing to do wth intermediate rounds which are designed for controllability on full auto.

The .308 is not an intermediate round. Whoever told you that is a moron.

>>32973792
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbyQultvtNI

>>32972413
/tg/ here to remind you to always thin your paints.

>>32975245
308 could be used by shorter actions. Means shorter, lighter gun. Lighter/more ammo. And cost is also a factor, yes.

File: tumblr_inline_mn2hbtkp9e1qz4rgp.jpg (24KB, 500x282px) Image search: [Google]

24KB, 500x282px

>>32976090
Yes,... but that's incidental.

being a lighter gun or one with a shorter action does not qualify as an intermediate round. The whole concept of the intermediate round was for something that can punch harder than a pistol rnd, but is controllable on full auto... the since .308 has none of these features it is not a intermediate rnd.

>ib4 *insert name of Full Auto .308 here* is plenty controllable on FA
compared to a real intermediate rnd 5.56, 7.62X39, 8mm Kurz, 300 BLK... etc the .308 is a bucking bronco. For FA .308 works best with a GPMG, or something that has a bipod

File: DAM134DT.png (677KB, 1920x581px) Image search: [Google]

677KB, 1920x581px

>>32976469
.308 is perfectly controllable on full auto you gaping vagina.

>>32976574
>Minigun

i was talking about firing from the shoulder retard
but by posting a minigun you actually proved my point above about the 308 best being used in FA as a heavy GPMG, or a gun mounted to a vehicle or bipod equipped

File: PTR91-2_zpsae1c87b8.jpg (75KB, 1024x395px) Image search: [Google]

75KB, 1024x395px

If the full auto registry, by some sort of a miracle, was opened again, how easy would it be to throw a full auto trigger pack onto a PTR-91?

>>32977859
As far as I know semi auto receivers have a "semi auto shelf" that impedes full auto function and/or the fitment of full auto trigger groups in some way. Probably more in-depth then just dremmeling that away.

And you need an FA bolt, at least.

I'm sure it will be done quite a bit if that happens, though.

>>32978000
Which is why it won't, and there won't be an amnesty period either.

>>32972707

... Goddamn, but I really want this fucking thing.

>>32972715

Is there anything that can be done to manage recoil on that thing? Like putting a muzzle brake on it? I'm only recently hasguns, so I really don't know much about gun design, aside from the fact that adding anything to the barrel would obviously make it longer.

>>32976783
I think it might have been a joke.

Is the Scar trigger really shit? I have BR funds set aside and have been waiting for a price drop. Apparently, the Geissele Super Scar trigger is a must. Guess I could buy the rifle and decide for myself. Just trying to determine how much I will need to drop on aftermarket shit. Part of me wants to buy this thing instead.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/6370844/spokane-washington-rifles-for-sale--hk91-new---unfired--308-7-62--ib--1982---heckler---koch

>>32978000
The FA bolts drop right in, I have one that's in better shape than the one that came with my rifle and have considered using it with an SA trigger pack just because.

The FA trigger groups can be fitted by either cutting the shelf into the trigger pack and housing, or by removing the shelf and drilling a hole for the pin that holds the front of the FA trigger housing.

I'd go with the latter so I could use surplus FA trigger housings.

File: Fass 57.jpg (252KB, 800x424px) Image search: [Google]

252KB, 800x424px

I'm curious, what does /k/ think of the SIG510 as a battle rifle ?

Fresh thread
>>32984823

>>32984823

>>32984823