/brg/ Battle Rifle General

>>32756179
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaIH5tLmC8U

I want a .300 win-mag battle rifle.

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>>32756203
RIP fake monkey. Is that David Tennant narrating?

Also FAL kit soon. Complete FAL, much less soon.

Posted late last thread,
But I dropped off my stg58 kit and coonan receiver at my builder today. Hopefully the first of many more rifle builds. Maybe some ak's next

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>>32755854

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I found some SHOT 2017 Vapor Tech DNF coverage.
SPOILERS: It's a bunch of shit we already knew, also the MDR now has an adorable little dust cover on the front of the case deflector.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzhW_IbhgZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdF1Wto-u5w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGvK9GK5EO8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrE-dK61p0g

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Goodnight BRG, hope you all had a productive day.

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>>32756223
Ok bud

>>32756203
I shot an AR chambered in 300 WM. that was pretty fun.

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Cheap ammo inbound.

About how many rounds would you guys carry during shtf/innawoods?

>>32758571
Wouldn't be carrying .308
Heavy rifle and heavy ammo is not suited for shtf.
An intermediate caliber can take small - medium game and human. I would only go .308 if I was in bear and moose country, which I'm not.

>>32758117
link plx

What can /k/brg/ tell me about Chilean Imbels?

>>32759314
They're terrible
Trust me. I've never owned one so my opinion is objectively the best.

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>>32758117
>He doesn't reload

>>32758871
But that's where your wrong.

.223 is more appropriate for an infantryman, who has belt fed toys nearby, grenades on hand, can call in artillery.

You can't.

.308 is about being barrier blind
.308 is about being effective past fragmentation velocity

Sure it's heavier, but pushups are free.

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Is this a battle rifle?

>>32759954
No

>>32759973
Its seen a lot of battles for a rifle though

>>32756348
Nice reversed photo. (note flag patch)

>>32760327
Are you retarded?

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>>32760309
>An Indian rifle seeing a lot of....

no its not you should watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91dvwZpRvYw

>>32756179
Any G3 WOODEN folding stocks akin to the one on some RPKs? Just folds over to the non-ejection side with a hinge that looks like it'd work for a door too.

I actually want to put it on a rifle that just uses some G3 parts...

>>32761009
That sheet metal lifestyle

>>32761059
Gooby plis

>>32761160
Wat

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>>32756935
>>>/trash/

>>32757701
11/10 combo friendo

>>32758871
pussy

>>32759895
right now the math leans toward buying steel cased for myself
>this rustles the wild FAL fags

>>32762457
Sounds your math isn't geared towards quality or precision.

PTRfag?

>>32762835
you must not have anything worth while to do with your time i see

>>32762835
Most guns can be effective with steel cased. If you're having poor reliability and performance, take your rifle to a gunsmith and he'll sort it out.

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>>32763096
:(

>>32763096
How is a gunsmith going to fix cartridges that use shit powder, inconsistent powder load, and poor bullet design?

>>32763187
They can melt down your shit gun so you can buy one that isn't so picky.

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>>32763202
>Sourest of grapes

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>>32763251
>Why oh why didn't I buy a gun that can't even handle steel case?

>>32761227
no trik

pormis

>>32763267
I don't buy steel case ammo. I like hitting what I'm shooting at, and financially supporting slavs sounds like a terrible idea.

Others have used steel case in my rifles with good results. I have found the extreme spread of the MV to be unacceptable. The bullet design to be inferior. And the powder to be inordinately filthy.

>>32765247
Looks like a giant m4s

>>32763321
If other people have good results using steel cased through your own guns, clearly shooter error is the issue.

Maybe the idea of using steel cased makes you expect to shoot poorly. When we expect things, we tend to help them happen.

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I have a new acquisition.

>>32766509
nice

>>32766378
I've never purchased a single round of steel cased.
I have read the numbers others are getting though. MV ∆ of over 100fps is not uncommon. This is unacceptable.

Additionally the bullet design is poor. Low BC, generally inferior terminal ballistics. The only redeeming quality is the cost, and I handload, so this is not a value to me. Handloading takes minimal time, and yeilds phenomenal results.

https://hangouts.google.com/call/35yz5hgflzacvbmdxtscjthenue

come see sakuya talk about guns!!

>>32766788
No?

>>32766509
How you going to kit it out?

>>32766943

I just now spent a few hundred getting black replacement parts, so the only thing not black on the rifle will be the bronze upper. I've held off on the stock so far.

Considering -
https://kineticdg.com/product/scarsasstockblack/
for a stock option. I don't like the ugg boot look to the OEM, so it's gotta go. If you guys have any suggestions, throw them out there.

I have an ELCAN Specter DR coming to me for $2,000 even.

>>32767020
Funny, the first thing I thought when I saw >>32766509 was how nice un-fucked-with SCARs look.

>the only thing not black on the rifle will be the bronze upper
>I don't like the ugg boot look to the OEM
gay

>>32767113
You could always get your own and do what you want with it.

>>32759245
Gunbot.net

>>32767133
MAYBE I WILL

>>32767252

I WISH YOU WOULD BECAUSE THEN I'D HAVE SOMEONE TO TOUCH TIPS WITH

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>>32766509
Do new SCARs come with open- or closed-tine compensators?

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>>32767349

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>>32767349

This is the one mine came with. I'm guessing they're putting them on all the new ones.

>>32767020
Most people who go ACR with the stock, end up going back. I put a UBR on mine for lulz. Boot is best, comfy as fuck

>>32767444

Why do they end up going back, though? What's wrong with it?

>>32767472
Not as functional, not as comfy
It's not awful, its aesthetic as fuck.
Just the boot is nice. Do what makes you happy, but be prepared to not be enthralled.

The mrex is based as fuck though

>>32767268
Lewd

>>32766700
>I've never purchased a single round of steel cased.

Clearly the guy who's never bought a box of the stuff is the expert.

Pretty much what I expected.

>>32768499
You saying steel cased doesn't have a wide variation in muzzle velocity?

Going to get my first two Battle Raifus soon (an HK91 and FAL). Sold a good chunk of my collection to get 'em, but it was the only way.
I'd like to make the FAL into a pseudo-C1, but for the HK I'd like an optic for plinking/camping/OPERATING. Any suggestions?

>>32768750
Hensoldt Z24

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>>32768796
Go for the "authentic" look, eh? I'm just getting into BRs, would something like pic related be a retarded idea? Ignoring that it's a .223, of course.

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>>32768918
I just LOVE retro red dots

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>>32768932
Also, do the collapsible stocks suck? I've heard mixed reviews, and it's not like I can handle one often up here.

>>32768932

I own several older aimpoints. While some of the oldest models use kinda dated batteries (which you can still get online), image quality is still better than entry-level optics you can get today.

An original or Gen2 will usually run you $50 or less. Can usually get the 3x for $20-40 and the variable 1.5-4x scope for under $50. The Mark III will be a little higher and is a better rig and can double as a carry handle.

Then you get into some of the models even newer than that (like the 5000) that (imo) compete toe for toe with current aimpoints.

Really best bang for your buck.

>>32768974
The one I posted on the rifle was a Mk.III, right? Can those older Aimpoint red dots handle .308?

>>32763117
>S-senpai, I-I'm gonna c*aaaahhhhhhhhhhh*

>>32769053

Yes, that's a Mark III. The older magnifiers will screw right in just as they will on the Electric and the G2.

And yes, it will handle it. Keep in mind that in the 1980's, these sights were ~$200+ IIRC. I had one mounted to my FAL when I owned it, never an issue.

Here's a limited edition Aimpoint Ruger.

http://www.icollector.com/Ruger-Aimpoint-Hunters-Redhawk-Limited-Edition-Double-Action-Revolver-with-Red-Dot-Sight-Holster-B_i9385824

You're talking about a sight, adjusted for inflation, that ran $500+ in it's heyday. It can handle it. Currently have one of my Mark III's mounted to my CX4 in .40. Works like a charm. Have a G2 on an AR without issue, and have an original Electronic mounted to an Italian Carcano because fuck you, that's why.

>>32768948
I wish there were more options for the retractable stock. I know the older flat variants are out there (ala G3A2/G3A1) but I wish we had options like the MP5. The MP5 has a ton of retractable options from HK.

I have a convave variant. The flat back older stock looks crude and dated

>>32768948
The rope handle is a neat idea. My mount and scope kind of get in my way sometimes when charging so it would be nice to have something like that.

>>32768948
Recoil feels about 20% or less heavier - alot of this has to due to the worn out rock hard rubber buttpad which is guaranteed on every stock out there. This can also be fixed with a buffer installed by Bill Springfield and a few others. Also it's pretty easy to machine new positions for the stock.
The collapsible feels absolutely perfect with body armor, esp when you have extra positions.
If you find yourself shooting in winter conditions alot you won't even need the buffer, just switch out for a new buttpad and enjoy a felt recoil reduction. The stock is worth it if you actually carry the rifle around alot. I bring mine along camping now and then, in a shotgun style MOLLE holster attacked to my pack, usually covered up with the stock collapsed.

People forget just how damned compact the gun is with the stock retracted. G3's only have 18" barrels so collapsed they are quite manageable.

I wish there were more options for the retractable stock. I know the older flat variants are out there (ala G3A2/G3A1) but I wish we had options like the MP5. The MP5 has a ton of retractable options from HK.

I have a concave variant. The flat back older stock looks crude (welds) and dated in comparison and I think it only really looks decent on wood forearm'd G3's

>>32768918
>Go for the "authentic" look, eh?
I mean if you're already shelling out for a no-bullshit HK91 you might as well.

>>32769185
The Portuguese used to tie their sling off to the charging handle to assist in breaking the rollers open/charging the weapon.
Doing this or tying a thingamajig to the charging handle is prefferable to installing a HK21 charging handle IMO. HK21 handles can afterall break

>>32756179
>Leon the Professional

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Does anyone know what rigs fits these, or more particularly, which rigs the military would have used when these pouches were in use?

>>32768918
HK93's can take MP5 stocks. I'm still waiting for an affordable HK33A3 or HK53 carbine/pistol - shit would be absolutely perfect. It looks like the Turks are about to deliver, but PTR has a HK33 in the works as well

>>32759314
I guess I should have asked it differently. Is there any way to tell a Chilean Imbel from any other Imbel? What is their history, particularly wrt Pinochet? I heard they were "carried a lot, shot a little," but it sounds like identifying them is a mess, since Imbel exported FALs to other SA and African countries. How can I tell what is what?

>>32759922
Excellent points.

>>32769270
They are designed for Belt+suspender setups - a la ALICE.
They'll fit a combat belt. I prefer the early Flecktarn pattern ones that interface directly with ALICE grommets

Something like this but a bit earlier perhaps is what they were designed for specifically, but they'll fit most NATO belts

http://www.keepshooting.com/german-military-combat-harness.html

>>32769287
The Imbel FAL was a secondary issue weapon, the Chileans had the SiG 510 in .308 as a primary arm during the period. As I understand some more elite units were smitten with the Para FAL.
I don't know of a way to identify chilean parts. FAL Files has the answer you seek

>>32768750
Forget the HK91, just get a PTR at this point.
Some HK91's are probably going to need new rollers, a new extractor, and possibly more serious parts like the cocking tube, charging handle and it's detent, etc.

The value from PTR is just too good at this point to avoid.

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>>32769147
>>32769215
Well, what kind of collapsible stock is in
>>32768948
Or in pic related? There are different models? I didn't know. I don't have body armor yet, but I do intend to take it camping.
>>32769185
I may do that until I can get one of those extended charging handles. I dislike folding ones.
>>32769221
I kinda like the look of them, too. I was merely considering a red dot for the thick brush at my favorite camp site that conceals at least a couple Moose.

>>32761009
You mean carry handle
The (optional) folding carry handle on the G3 and FAL's are independent of the stock entirely.
Wooden G3 handguards/stocks are rarer than FAL/L1A1/Izzy wood and unlike the FAL, noone is making new reproductions yet

>>32769394
These are the two types of (Standard) Retractable G3 stocks. Top is mid 70's G3A4 and beyond, bottom is G3A1/2

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk170/fredieusa/Second/HKG3/01%20Kit/G3StockA3.jpg

The extended charging handles are HK21 handles, they can break however just like normal handles. A pull tab or sling attached to the handle is just as good of an alternative

>>32769394
There are also several commercial stock options - from Choate style folders, to M4 buffer tubes.

Too bad SAGE international is a faggot and this doesn't actually exist

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/02/a1/b8/02a1b86dba5630a9ebc168d994effae5.jpg

More information on the Old G3A2/A1 Flat Back style stock
http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/HK-G3-OLD-STYLE-COLLAPSIBLE-STOCK-SHOOTERS-STOCK-SURPLUS-FAIR-GOOD-25p178.htm

>>32769468
Oh, ok, that's quite a difference.

What causes the handles to normally break, just people reefing the piss out of them?
Also, is there a dramatic difference in durability between aluminum G3 mags and steel ones?

>>32769314
Thanks.

>>32760327
Obvious bait is obvious

>>32762457
>>>32758871 (You)
>pussy
You've obviously never humped before.

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>>32769964
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y38Ec57yMG8

let me see your cervix

>>32770237
No, it' my cervix.

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>>32769384

>>32769527
The plastic overmold can break on regular and HK21 charging handles - you still have the metal bit underneath to work with, which is usually the full length of the handle anyway. It can just be a bit jagged.
HK21 handles are fine and they usually don't break, but the sling or pull tab method will work better for most. If you run a 2 point there is no reason why you shouldn't run it through the (bottom) of the charging handle - plus you keep the sling off the barrel so it won't throw off aim when you tighten up. All you gotta do is yank that sling out and then back - or if loose step on the sling and charge it that way.>>32758871


As for mags - Alum mags are lighter, don't corrode easily, and are over 1/2 cheaper.
Steelies are stronger and won't bend as easily.
Alum is fine

If you want to be special snowflake get some Turkish MKE Polymer mags with the clip and the anti aircraft reference. They are rare but MKE will be bringing in more.
Don't have a pic but they are similar to these HK33 mags:
http://zenithfirearms.com/product/mke-5-56-30rd-polymer-magazine/

>>32758871
I go for .308 because I'm not going to be the only jackass wearing competent body armor

>>32770548
Body armor for SHTF?
This isnt Rust.
If you leave your house in full gear you will be the first one shot while everyone else is walking around in normal clothes and either unarmed or CCing.
your the type of guy that focuses more on guns and ammo instead of food, water, shelter, and medical.

>>32770617
>Someone has a different view of SHTF than I do!
Stop projecting your dystopian fantasy onto others. It's never going to happen

What do SCARs offer over comparably priced AR10s?

>>32771376
Lighter weight. Smaller breakdown. Easier to change furniture (think handguards). Lower recoil.

With deadshot barrels releasing their aftermarket barrels, the SCAR is no longer a one size fits all solution.

>>32771376
It says "FN" on the side. Then again with any comparably priced AR you're overpaying for something that says "HK" or "LaRue" or somesuch on the side.

Alright /k/ I want suggestions on a lightweight pack/survival rifle (preferably like an ar-15 format)

>>32771890
S&W M&P10 with a Swarovski Z6i

>>32771890
Gonna need more specifics if you want a real answer.

What's lightweight
What's a "survival" rifle mean to you
What are you shooting
How far out
What's your total budget

>>32771592
>Lighter Weight
Yeah. Usually.
>Smaller Breakdown
Not really.
>Easier to change furniture
If you can't replace a handguard, breaking down isn't going to matter for you. And the SCAR has a fairly limited spread of handguards.
>Lower Recoil
That's just not accurate. The SCAR has low recoil for its weight, but the only reason it would beat an AR10 out of the box would be because of the obnoxious pws muzzle break.
>Accuracy
SCAR accuracy eats it over longer periods of fire because of the absurdly thin barrel. You can put in a new barrel that's thicker, but you'll be increasing frontal weight on an already nose-leaning system.

AR10s usually make better DMRs. SCARs usually make better general service battle rifles. Both can be made to work in either position.

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>>32771982
SCAR breaks down into three pieces, not two. Its easier to get it into smaller cases. This is what I am referring too

In changing handguards, I am not meaning breakdown. I mean that with a bit driver you can swap out handguards. There are multuple picatinny, mlok, and keymod handguards out there in assorted lengths. If your special and unique desire isnt meant by them, perhaps you need reevaluate if you really need that.

It has lower recoil not merely because of it muzzle break, but because of its operating system. To over simplify, the mass of the BCG sops up a huge amount of recoiling inertia. I have a SCAR and a .308 AR with the same brake, the .308 AR weighs more, SCAR recoils less.

I never went into accuracy, but yes, the SCAR starts off at essentially a 1moa rifle, and the barrel will heat up, and cool down much more rapidly, yes.

Both can be made into excellent <insert role here>. The Mk20 outclasses many 308ARs in the DMR role. Both are good rifles. Which one to go with is a matter of whats important to you.

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Why do the sling attachments on the SCAR suck so much?

>>32772856
It was requested that HK sling loops be put on for the contract.
Replace them or add qd cups.

>>32758871
My plan doesn't involve long rucks. I'mma simply bug out to my favorite camp site, which involves only a few hundred meters of actual rucking. It just happens to be extremely hidden. So ammo weight is less of a concern, and .308 will be nice to have if any of the moose or bears in the area swing by.
>When the only people who know exactly where the camp site is are a few local /k/ommandos

>>32773214
>Bugging out

>>32773214
>When the only people who know exactly where the camp site is are a few local /k/ommandos
This is honestly the best SHTF plan. Get ~40 weebs, vets, and other violence enthusiasts together united a force stronger than brotherhood - memes. A horde of /k/ommandos would be fucking terrifying.

>>32773393
The amount of tendies needed to sustain them would blot out the sun.

Are the SCAR and AR10 my only real options for MOA or better?

>>32773798
Without pouring money into a PTR.
Without pouring money and luck into an FAL
Without getting an FNAR or that new browning totalllynotanFNAR.

Yes

>>32772174
Breaking down to 3 instead of 2 is a very silly benefit. The barreled receiver is still just as long--if not longer--than comparable ARs.

Again, handguard swapping isn't a real benefit for a scar. Especially when the standard scar handguard is kinda shit. Short and bulky as fuck.

The SCAR will not recoil less than a properly buffered AR. The angle of the bolt and the stock is more prone to rise. And the weight of the bolt means the impulse of recoil is blunter. A top grade AR10 like an LMT or JP will have a good buffer and gas tuning. My LMT recoils as much with an A2 as my SCAR did with the PWS.

You can make a good DMR out of a SCAR, but it'll cost you a fortune and you'll much of the weight benefits of the SCAR platform. It'll also balance poorly.

>>32773816
How much money into the PTR?
FAL is just a poor choice for a DMR by design and the FNAR is a Chinese puzzle box to field strip. I assume the Browning ripoff is the same.

>>32773853
The bulk of the handguards isnt a problem for those without small hands.

My LMT recoils harders than my 17. Both have the same brake.

Changing out handguards may not be a thing for everyone. I found it useful.

>>32773816
Getting a FAL to MOA or better doesn't require luck, it requires the grace of God.
Also you missed
>Without pouring money into an M1A and periodically pouring more money into it to keep it that way

>>32773868
FN owns Browning. Its not really a ripoff, but yes.

To make sure its going to get moa or under, probably about as much as a 308AR with a BA barrel, which is guaranteed for moa or better.

>>32773876
Im assuming anon doesnt have stock in marinetex.

>>32773870
The SCAR factory handguards are fat as fuck.

Get a better buffer for your LMT. The consensus online is the SCAR will have worse recoil all things equal.

>>32773898
Ive got giant hands. The size is appealing.

>>32773883
Hmm. Well I guess it's worth considering then. Thank you for your help.

>>32773919
If you want to be sure, and want it relatively inexpensive go for a .308 AR. Aero M5 sets go for $300 ish, a BA barrel for $220-300. Sprinkle in a parts kit, a good trigger, and handguard. You should be able to get there for $1000 total. Or about the cost of a PTR.

If your not keen on doing the work yourself, almost any local smith and a few online retailers will install as many or as few parts as you want.

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What's wrong with 7.62×51 AKs?

>>32775763
slavshit

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>>32775763
Nothing. Of course you realize everything is wrong with what you just posted.

>>32756179
How long do hk91/g3/ptr rollers last for? I was hearing they wear out pretty quickly when compared to guns with gas operated function.

>>32776145
Several thousands of rounds unless something gets fucked up. I don't think I've seen an exact lifespan for them, but they last a while and are an easy fix if something does go wrong.

>>32776145
Depends what kind of cartridges you use, of course. I've seen estimates from 3k to 10k rounds. Most seem to be around 5k, maybe because it's right or maybe because it's a nice, round number.

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>>32778696

I want an M1A (probably the standard since it's cheaper and I don't need national match tier accuracy), convince me otherwise.

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>>32778829
The M14 is easily the worst of the legacy battle rifles.
It was only adopted vice the FAL because of NIH and it was dropped faster than any other US service rifle because it was obsolete before the first one rolled off the production line.
The modified Garand action is extremely vulnerable to dirt and mud, and the ergonomics are worse than an AK's, since at least the AK doesn't have its safety inside the trigger guard where it can easily cause an ND.
It's possible to accurize it, but only at great and continuous expense since shooting it regularly or even just rough handling will cause it to deaccurize itself.
A standard M1A is hundreds of dollars more expensive than a FAL or G3 of similar quality because it's a modified 1930s design rather than a 1950s design and requires a corresponding level of laborious and costly hand-fitting of its parts.

>>32779142
When you say it will deaccurize itself, about how much is that/how accurate will it be out to on regular maintenance? Also, about how much is an HK G3? I just did a quick search and could only come up with C308's and PTR's which, from what I understand, are a bit cheap. I could consider an FAL, but it looks like I'd have to go for an L1A1 or Sa58; any recommendation between those two?

>>32779260
C308s are shit but PTRs are pretty damn good. Especially for the price. I'd get one over an M1a any day. The only L1A1s you're going to find are most likely Century pieces of shit. DSA makes some decent FALs and you can find some good kit builds too.

>>32779260
That part only matters if you're into National Match bullshit or if you're trying to turn the M1A into a DMR, which you aren't.
The PTR-91 GI and DSA Voyager (G3 and FAL, respectively) both retail for <$1000 and are mechanically fine.
The PTR is only "cheap" in comparison to a no-bullshit HK91, which would run you into SCAR 17S money.
The Voyager has a cast receiver, which is heavier and weaker than the forged receiver of the SA58 and most original FALs, but the weight difference is only a couple of ounces and you'll never shoot enough .308 to worry about cracking it.

>>32779374
Alright thanks, I'll look more into DSA than. As a final point, I heard that the FAL is better suited as a close to intermediate range rifle which is capable but not ideal for longer distances while the M1A is better suited as a DMR; would you agree or disagree with that? I ask because I already have an AK which I'm very comfy with to about 60 or so meters.

>>32779408
The US military uses the M14 as a DMR because they're 7.62x51 and they don't have anything better to do with them.
A private individual buying their own weapons has no reason to pursue such a thing.

>>32756223
>suppression = full auto meme
Author needs to fucking kill himself with a full auto battle rifle

>>32779389
What distance would you say qualifies for DMR? I'm not looking for a main battle rifle but something that I can reach out a bit with. Hm, I do have to admit that's a nice price difference from the M1A though.

>>32779470
Out to 600 or so meters, typically.

>>32779456
Fair enough, I should probably keep my sentimentality in check better.

>>32779491
Okay, that's a bit further than I'd have any expectation to go out to. I'd say max 350m would be good for me.

>>32756267
Got a walnut stock loaded m1a that should be here in a few days. I can't fucking wait

>>32779566
mousegun range

>>32779566
DESU I think you'd be wasting your money getting a battle raifu at this point. You should buy a bunch of x39 and focus on sucking less with your AK.
>very comfy with to about 60 or so meters
pfft

>>32779618
Why did you end up going with it versus other options like the G3 clones and FAL's?

>>32779676
1. What kind of groups do you think I was shooting at 60m? 2. What kind of groups do you think I should be shooting at that distance and 3. What would you say is the proper distance for an AK?That was a couple years ago and maybe I can easily go further by now but it's a bit of a drive for me to get to any range longer than 30m.

>>32766509
Please die immediately, my seething jealousy is overwhelming.
>one day I'll leave NY but for now i suffer in abject baby rage

>>32779720
>shoots an AK at 90'
Trying for 2" groups?

>>32779726
Its easier to leave than you think

>>32779752
Sounds ambitious, next time I have the opportunity to do so I'll go for it.

>>32779752
Wait...I just realized you meant 90ft not 90 meters. It's been awhile so my memory is a little fuzzy but I'm pretty sure I was shooting about 3ish.

>>32780027
>3"
>At 90'
>That's 10moa

The memes are real

>>32781496
I want to hate these 'modern' FAL things so much, but I just fucking can't. send help (and some 7.62x51)

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>>32782041

>>32780132
Without getting into anything else, 3" would've been about 3moa since I though you meant 90m seeing as I'd already shot out to 60m.

>>32778696
>>32778790
>A-AK is the rifle for the masses. F-FAL is for the c-classes only please.

>>32779618
watch tonyben3 on youtube while you wait

Daily reminder that battle rifles are useless in modern warfare, and will continue to fade into obscurity as new 556 rounds get closer and closer to matching 308 performance.

>>32783016
>modern warfare
Go back to CoD kid

>>32783016
Daily reminder that you're not a soldier, and if you are then you don't get to pick your weapon so it's a moot point to even have an opinion, dog.

Why did USSOCOM choose the SCAR-H over an AR-10 derivative? I can't find any documentation on the matter, just people saying that they did and that's why they chose to buy a SCAR 17S as a tier 1 mall defense operator.

>>32783071
Because back in 2004 there wasnt much competition, and the .308 ARs weren't nearly as developed as they are now.

>>32783071
The same reason the military does anything. Cash money and political pressure.
Don't take what the military uses as a serious recommendation unless you intend to buy in the tens of millions of units using taxpayer money.

>>32783138
>tens of millions
I get your point anon, but seriously, wildly overstating isnt needed

>>32783148
Don't tell me how to live my life.

>>32783185
When you can stop inflicting your poor mental hygiene on the rest of us.

>>32783195
I'll rub shit on your brain all I want. I am the law. I am the streets.

>>32783571
Post your battle rifle first.

>>32783580
I'm sorry Dave but you know I can't do that. I'm in too deep to identify myself.

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>>32779618
I have a M1A Loaded. It's britty gud.

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would you?

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>>32783768

>>32784329
Sure looks comfy
I want an optic on it tho

>>32783768
Try again with an 11" OSW

>>32783768
Looks pretty awful to carry without a sling, normally my hand would be on the magwell while hiking around.

>>32784664
Why wouldn't you have a rifle slung?

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>>32784642
what about this

>>32785369
Better, chop the barrel down, maybe an aimpoint over a hamr or whatever that optic is

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>>32785369
>my fucks have been compromised

>>32783016
This is retarded, pants on head retarded

>>32786658
Good argument.

>>32786696
You put forth a cogent one yourself

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>>32783071
Among other things, they explicitly wanted certain features, such as a folding stock and reciprocating charging handle, that you can't realistically get on an AR.
Also, remember that the SOF Combat Assault Rifle program originally featured light and heavy variants, so it's not like it was just about getting a multi-mission capable heavy carbine. The original goal was to produce a rifle system of, by, and for SOF units without the considerations and compromises that go into the design of a general-issue weapon.

>>32786696
You are retarded for thinking a .22 will ever carry the impact of a .30 cal.

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>>32788252
Not with that attitude, it won't.

>>32784689
Not him but magwell/rearmost part of the handguard carry is a pretty comfy way to carry around a fal.

>>32788340
>not using the FUCKING CARRY HANDLE

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>>32785409
The horrors of war.

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Heres my IMI model 332 .308

>>32789110
Damn. That's pretty sexy.

>>32788252
Good thing it doesn't need to for all militaries to ditch heavy loud hard recoiling 308.

>>32789187
>He thinks 308 recoils hard

>>32789187
You forgot the reason they actually ditched it.
Expensive.

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>>32789187
>did you ever start lifting?

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>>32789170

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>>32789379
Gibe more. I don't have anywhere near enough pics of .308 Galils.

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>>32789379
It taunts me. It calls me poor.

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>>32789403

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>>32789409

>>32789549
Is the Galil handguard just two wood panels bolted to the sides?

>>32789606
basically two strong springs hold the two halves together to a jig that is fitted and pinned to the barrel

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>>32770548
>They are rare but MKE will be bringing in more
Source?

I've been hunting for some for a couple years now.
>This is an image board, pls stop posting links to pics

>>32790683
>Unironically desiring turkshit

>>32779720
Upstate NY, otherwise is be looking to get a SCAR.

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>>32792823
>NY
I'm so sorry anon

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>>32792932
fucking gross

>>32793417
That's why you don't live in non free states and support them with your tax dollars

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Just saw someone slavsquatting outside my office. Is it time to kill commies soon?

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>>32795491

>>32795491
>Slav squatting
Bitch, that's a western spy if I've ever seen one

>>32795491
>slav
>heels as high as the berlin wall
Nyet

>>32795491
Do you work at the world trade center anon?

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Found a pic of my ex gf shooting my FAL on my old phone, most recent pic of my FAL since i left the state

are DSA's the best option for an FAL at the moment? Not looking to buy right now but may in the near future

>>32795848
They're the best (read only) option for new FALs. You can get kit builds that will be much nicer.

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Sorry to bother y'all but I got some questions.

Question one, what's the tier levels for G3 type raifus?

In order of best to "a shit" it's:
HK91
PTR91
CETME

Right?

Second question, are all CETME's in the US Century Arms sporters or are there real Spanish ones?

Third question
Is there really any justification for buying an HK91 over a PTR91 if you live in a state unaffected by pre and post ban?

Fourth
Is the SR9 easily convertable to look like a G3 or is it assblastedly difficult like people say the USC and SR8's are?

Last question, would you reccomend to someone who wanted to get a G3 looking rifle to buy or build one if they've got experience building AR's?

>>32763117
Story? That Sequoia's gun?

>>32796038
3. Sure: if you're a man who, in a world of compromises, doesn't.

>>32795764
Close enough

>>32796129
lel, I can afford to compromise HK namesake to save 1500-ish dollars if there's no defining difference

>>32796352
Self respect of the owner

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>>32796363
That stings.

>>32796352
The PTR won't make all the other guys at the range want to suck your dick.

>>32796374
I'm sorry baby.
It's harsh, but it's the realest thing about PTRs. They'll do the job, but the thought of having an actual HK gives you hollow feeling inside, makes you feel less than you envision yourself to be.

>>32796448
That's how my Golani sporter made me feel. Despite being objectively a decent rifle, the fact that it was Century Arms made me decide to sell later. Also the lack of a bipod was pretty gay.

Holding out for a good old one in 5.56 or I might build one but I have no AK building experience.

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>>32796379
Speak for yourself. I've actually had several people come up and ask about mine.

>>32796626
They are asking about the "I wish an FAL" furniture

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>>32797154
Most of them ask if it's a PTR before about the furniture. I am in SC so PTR is a bit more well known here than in some places I bet. The furniture does throw some people for a loop though.

>>32797154
You mean the "I like the FAL stock but want the superior accuracy and reliability of the G3" furniture?

>>32797189
IDK about all that. They are both old and kind of shitty rifles.

>>32797186
Visiting my rents down there at the end of March. Any "must stop at" stores to know about?

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>>32797234

>>32766700
Does this mean I should sell all of my shitty hornady SST 7.62x39 ammo?

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>>32797244
Which part of SC?

>>32797256
Just south of 485 south of Charlotte, driving there and back

>>32797246
>x39
Of course it's shitty

>>32797345
You're a bit outside of my area then. PSA and Sharpshooter's in Greenville are pretty nice. Nothing really "must stop" though.

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>>32797367
Cool.
Thought id wrangle something up. Im sure im going to want to stop by someplace, getting a few large checks just before going down.

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>>32798978
>those shoulders
I think that's man booty.

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>>32798978

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>>32798978
>those thighs


Bitch needs to do some squats

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>>32799008
>Not wanting to show both

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>>32798978
>bipod and vfg simultaneously
Why do people do this?

>>32799030
>RAMIREZ, DO EVERYTHING!

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>>32799030
>Welcome to Good Shoots!

guys

GUYS

I have a question. Do FAL come with a loli, or are those acquired separately? Can you get a loli with PTR?

>>32799195
>Do FAL come with a loli, or are those acquired separately?
Separate.
>Can you get a loli with PTR?
No, but you can with an HK91.

What are the hot AR10 brands at each price point and at what point am I just throwing money around for little to no real improvements?
All I know is DPMS stands for Don't Purchase Me, Stupid.

>>32799195
FALs come with a South African man in short shorts. G3 clones come with a loli. M14s come with a middle age adult with downs syndrome.

>>32799403
DPMS AR308s are supposedly pretty decent
then you move up to the S&W M&P10
then the FN SCAR 17S
then the KAC SR25 ACC (if you want a battle raifu) or APC (if yuor a faget who wants a """semi-auto sniper rifle""")
You start hitting diminishing returns after the M&P, which is reliable, lightweight, and capable of getting good hits out to 700+ yards despite having a reasonably light, non-freefloated barrel.

>>32796626
IDK why, but your pics always push me to a PTR as my first battle rifle. It just looks nice, but it will probably be a few years to save up after college. If I wasn't poor and in college, I would buy one.

>>32756179
that guy kinda looks like rowan atkinson

>>32796038
1. Pretty much

2. Most of the CETME rifles in the US are Century made. But way back in the day, actual CETME rifles made in Spain were imported by Mars. They're collectors' items now.

3. Only if you have the money

4. dunno lol

>>32801190
Thanks anon.

>>32758871
I had an ar10 and didn't like it because the rifle and ammo were heavy. In a shtf situation I think both would be just fine, but I would prefer my ar15. And if I had to pick I would just take an AK over a 10 because everyone and there mom has one so parts could be replaced, ar10 In my AO is a niche rifle and parts would be difficult to find. In my opinion In a shtf scenario, I want a rifle that everyone has parts for, ammo for, and accessories. Good luck finding a magazine or even a mag pouch that's made for a ar10 post shtf. Burgers are more or less forced into the ar15 platform because of its widespread support.

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>>32800184
Their 308 rifles are better made than the .223 rifles, this still doesnt mean much.
This last year has seen a LOT of new players in the .308 AR market. If your not looking to build to suit, and you want a prebuilt, your best option right now is to scour slickguns look at what is in your price range, and research that model/company.

>>32802000
Pushups are free.
You can purchase replacement parts today.
You can purchase a magazine pouch today, get TACOs and itll work for everything.
And in case you missed it, push ups are free

Even in 2015 you could essentially sum up the whole 308AR market in a few sentances. Today thats a little harder.

>>32799030
I've had a bipod, tripod, and vfg at the same time on a rifle

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Reminder ballistic advantage has bunk parts and 30 cal is king

>>32804308
Stolen valor rear....
For shame anon

>>32763117
Pine city?

>>32795290
>the one to the far right bottom row
That's Charles Keating IV, F

>>32806388
Casual as fuck

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Am I the only guy who doesn't care for G3 style sights? I really wish they had a blade front sight and a rear leaf sight like on a K98. Also, what's the best budget scope? Pls no bully.

>>32806890
G3s have a lot of love it or hate it features.

>>32806940
Is there a good alternative to the G3 rear sight?

>>32806890
Do you just not like aperture sights in general? I never understood why people here single out the HK sights.

>>32804702
Gfy

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>>32806388
later that month...

>>32806967
It's the peep-sight/barrel thing. I have a Finn Mosin that has a blade front sight and I can ring gongs all day long with it, but I struggle with the G3 sight. Maybe I just don't understand the concept, but I also have never liked the "globe" around the front sight. I want to like the G3 sights, but they just don't work well for me.

>>32765247
>tfw no cheekweld
>tfw no chinweld

>>32807021
Ah so it's just aperture sights in general then.

>>32807157
Yes, do you have any tips? I don't want to be a pleb, who can't into aperature sights.

>>32806890
Depends on your budget
$2000 - march 1-8
$1500 - trijicon 1-8
$1000 - SWFA 1-6
$500 - PA 1-8

Assuming you want close to mid range

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>>32807187
Center the tip of the blade in the middle of the circle. You can use the circular sight guard around the front sight to help do that. I don't really know more of a simple explaination than that.

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>>32795290
>Letting the flag touch the ground.
>> See Pic related

>>32808656
>be a lifetime ago
>be out in corn town on 4th of july down mainstreet
>Me and four other vets drinking a beer, having a smoke
>Parade be going by
>Prom queen from a few years ago is freshly minted butter bar
>Sitting on back of a convertable with a flag draped under her
>Shes sitting on the flag
"LIEUTENANT, GET YOUR ASS OFF MY FLAG!!!"
>she jolts up fast
>guy driving convertable taps the brakes
>prom queen butterbar takes a spill
>much hilarity ensues

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Can MAS 49/56's join?

>>32810426
god damn it! I swore off trap porn!

>>32810488
Does it really count as a trap if theyre wearing men's clothing?

>>32810724
>Does it really count as a trap if theyre wearing men's clothing?
I think that makes it merely a snare and not a trap.

>>32810426
Would take out to dinner and see if we have anything else in common/10

>>32770617
>2017
>doesn't have body armor in the shape of a muscle suit


look m80 i will need body armor just to look the size of a normal human.

>>32812950
guy on the left looks like he doesn't need a G3 to mongle some brass

>>32812950
Looks like they snuck in a Putin clone on the right

>>32813298
too tall

>>32810426
Only if you Post moar you fucking faggot

>>32811578
>hitting on a guy
>tripfag using "Gay Related Immune Deficiency" as his trip

Checks out

>>32814950
Where'd you get those keychains?

>>32815021
Check out NEETpatchguy in the patch threads. There's a pastebin in the OP.

FAL is currently sold out and the other ones are being produced.

>>32815038
I know about him, that's why I'm asking, he hasn't come out with G3 or M14 yet, I missed out on FAL, but I'm waiting on his keychain bomb.

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>>32815077
That picture isn't the other person's. I haven't seen the keychains up for sale in a long time besides NEET's store. They used to be available on some japanese sites.

>>32815104
Yeah, I've been in the patch threads for about a month now. I have like 6 coming in the mail now, addiction hits hard.

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>>32815120
I know what you mean. I'm trying to take a break for now since I bought an FAL kit. Going to buy a million of those keychains though.

>>32815077
Originals are out of stock everywhere and are a collector item now. Last I heard G3 sold for $80 over on reddit, and Amazon had an L85 for $70 which is now gone.

>>32815165
>Killer Queen patches

I found more reasons to like you

>>32815957
Then I'm glad NEET is remaking them

>>32816011
Eh, his are flat mold and use different/less colors because he's using chink sweatshops. Legit companies wouldn't take an order on unlicensed ripoffs of copyrighted merchandise.

>>32816120
Then feel free to pay the $70+ for the nip ones.

Ill never understand animefags

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>>32816120
>unlicensed ripoffs
In.

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>>32816139
Don't get me wrong, I'll be getting some of his.
Just letting you know they're chink bootlegs and not exact replicas.

>>32816154
I'll never understand normalfags.

New thread:
>>32816207
>>32816207
>>32816207

>>32785409
looking at this picture gave me PTSD

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>>32792932

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>>32795746
kek

>>32758117
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/hirtenberger-308-762x51mm-fmj-147-grain-240-rounds?a=1851332
i honestly prefer this since i like to reload and it has some really nice casings also Austrian quality only problem is that it uses some hard primers.