Battle Rifle General /brg/

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>>32643627
I ain't leaving.

>>32643627
Well what did it shoot, were you benched, what bullets, were the holes perfectly round? Did you pray to the fucking kube?

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>>32643627
Got an FAL, but really am disappointed with its exploding. Is it me, or the rifu?

>>32643627
Spent way too much on an M1A Scout Squad, but really am masturbating over this sweet little thing. Is it me or the rifu?

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>>32643817
Post pics so we can all circle jerk.

>>32643650
Pls go that's uggo

>>32643627
>that steel cutout of squid
/k/ is the board most devoted to making memes real.

Want a SCAR, but really am disappointed with it's price. Is it me, or the rifu?

>>32643765
So why does steel case go boom in the wrong place?

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>>32643765

Wasn't he running really shitty steel-case ammo through it?

>>32643627

I mean, the G3 has better POTENTIAL accuracy than the FAL for a number of reasons, but idk. Are you just not used to the HK drum sights? I know a lot of people like to bitch and moan about HK-style sights being weird to use.

If I were you I'd just toss it on a lead sled and figure out definitively if there is something up with the rifle itself.

>>32643627
Want a ptr but would rather wait until i can try one.
Wasnt in any video games so i assumed they must be bad
Heard scars are fun though

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>>32643914
It was probably just a bad round. Shit like that can happen with any ammo. Steel case is generally made by slavs though so it can be more likely to have issues. I've never had a problem in any of my rifles though.

>>32643936
I never understood why people complain about HK sights. This is the only place I've seen people who have trouble with them. The 100 setting is kinda weird but it's just a notch and post. Everything else is just a peep sight. If you don't like the 100, just zero it at 200.

>>32643975
The G3/HK91 is in a bunch of video games. The PTR itself is actually in one of the Battlefield games I think. If you're in the south/ on the east coast somewhere you should come to the NC meet.

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After trying for 10 minutes to get my phone to take a picture under 4 mb I gave up. This is a stock photo, but it's the exact same configuration I have.

I plan on putting a 1-4× LER optic on a quick-detach mount on the foward pic rail. This will be my war rifle against the Porcine Mennace! Goddamn communist pigs are an infestation in my beloved state of Florida, a tasty infestation.

>>32644006
what contract is that furniture?

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>>32644042
You mean country? It's South Africa (aka Namibian).

>>32644042
"I wish we bought FALs" Namibian contract

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>>32643627
I thought that target looked familiar

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>>32644137
Mk20 when?

>>32643936
Why did you paint your gun to look like a toy?

>>32644448
The day after the MDR drops.

>>32644448
Never ever. You'll get the SCAR underbarrel grenade launcher first.

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>>32643627
>tfw PTR more accurate than fal
But its purely anecdotal

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So is everyone slowly coming to the realization that battle rifles are shit, or what?

>>32644556
>tfw no SmartCore trigger pack
>tfw no futuristic shots remaining counter
Fucking FN is going full HK with their OPR8Rs only bullshit.

>>32644610
Say that at 600 yards and see what happens.

>>32644621
>Where everything that's not a SCAR is grouping 24"+
Considering people who buy SCARs spend more time taking photos of their guns than shooting, I'll probably be fine.

>>32644634
Mine keeps cheapass perfecta on a paper plate at 600.

>>32644689
Is it an FNAR?

>>32644634
If you say so, anon. Good luck out there.

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>>32644692
Nope

>>32644705
More seriously though, if you start taking fire from 600 yards away why not just... leave?
Unless someone decides to fuck you while you're taking a lovely stroll through the fucking nothing of the midwest, you could just break line of sight and go somewhere else.

>>32644722
I dunno. Maybe the new hole in your abdomen is causing you some distress. One shot, one less smug girl (male) poster.

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>>32644748
It's not nice to hit girls anon, male or otherwise.

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.308 is a big round

>>32644863
Sure is...
You compensating for something?

>>32644863
>getting shot in the face with a .308 will kill you

No shit

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>>32644872
I'm 6'4", so what .223 is to little people, .308 is to me. Proportional.

>>32644884
/r/ing the webm of the BR who blew his own face off with a FAL and stayed conscious

>>32644872
Yeah my dick is way too short to kill things outside of 300 meters.

Will battle rifles ever be standard service rifles again /k/? What would it take to return them to their former glory?

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>>32645152
For men to stop being pussies

>>32645327
>For men to stop being pussies
Ironic, considering the vfg placement

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>>32643936
that heinous paintjob

Nobody should own this kind of military grade hardware. Rifle clips should be no more than 7-8 rounds

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>>32645596
DANGER ZONE

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>>32645596
My clips hold 15 but my mags hold 90

kys fagboi

>>32645674
What holds your shame?
>I know, your parents

>>32644919
What's up with her one leg?

>>32645810
It's how the fabric is cut and how rail thin she is

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>>32644582

You're not wrong, but HK pattern rifles have a lot more going for them in the accuracy department than the FAL does.

Out of the box, they're probably both 2-3MOA rifles, but from what I understand the G3 is easier to accurize. Theres gotta be a reason that only Ireland has tried to make FAL DMRs while tons of other countries use G3 DMRs.

>>32644476
>>32645559

Racism and memes.

Lets see your beautiful battle rifles, goyim.

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>>32643627
I just got an isreali 7.62 mauser but I get a feeling that the gun shouldn't exist as it's to ironic of a concept. Is it me or the rifle?

>>32646239
FAL doesn't come free floated. Roller delayed blowback is inherently easy to keep accurized.

>>32646440
You don't want an FAL free floated.
A rigid handguard is going to be generally better for FAL accuracy, the gas system it uses needs to be tamed

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>>32646239
Yours is built on an Imbel kit right? I'm debating about picking up one and getting a receiver somewhere down the line.

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>>32646504
Gunplumber and whatacountry still have IMBEL kits (as well as people on the forums and gunbroker), the hard bit is going to be getting the receiver since your only option is to wait for the next group buy on the files.

Also, it might or might not be worth it to make sure you have an original IMBEL barrel for the chrome memes, since DSA doesnt make chromed ones.

>>32646602
Yeah gunplumber's were the ones I was looking at.

>>32644863
5me

I SWEAR TO GOD /K/ THESE NEWFAGS ARE NEWFAGGING ME TO DEATH

>>32647668
Blow me.

>>32647730
Well you are in /brg/
They're going to want pics first though

>>32649189
Why come you're gun has 5 feets?

>>32645152
For the most part probably not. Assault rifles are just too practical to pass up. BRs are largely relegated to DMR duty. Greece however retains the G3 and has no interest in 5.56mm, and Turkey just adopted an AR10 to phase out their G3s, so there are a few holdouts.

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>>32649333
>Greece however retains the G3 because it can't afford new rifles, and

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>>32649318
Yours doesn't?

>>32649333
But theoretically, if a battle rifle was created that was cheaper, recoiled about the same, had the same amount of noise and blast and was as light as an M4, could it become more practical? I'm thinking a roller delayed blowback with some recoil reducing stock tech, a noise redirecting muzzle brake, and lots of polymer parts could work. Soon enough those new cases are going to replace brass that are lighter and stronger, making BRs even more practical.

>>32650398
theoretically you could use whatever tech enabled such a rifle to make an even cheaper, softer-shooting, quieter, lighter 5.56 gun

>>32650474
But 556 already has recoil, weight, and blast that isn't overwhelming.

>>32650505
And?

>>32650558
So bringing the recoil blast and weight of a BR down to the level of an M4 is more valuable than reducing these in an M4.

>>32645596
I need it to defend your right to fuck my face

>>32645152
A total change in warfare resulting in the standard engagement taking place at over 400 yards.

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I like 308 ...

>>32650398
>>32650474
Maybe. But the practicality of battle rifles is environmentally dependent. In a desert like where a lot of US fighting has recently been occurring, a great deal of engagement occurs at greater distances in more open areas, where the extra distance afforded by the use of full-power rifle rounds is important and the longer barrels would be less of a hindrance. In an urban, modernized environment, like the one American SWAT teams face, assault rifles become much more practical. Intermediate rounds are much lighter, allowing for an officer to either carry more, or carry the same amount at a reduced weight and bulk. The rifles themselves are much lighter, enhancing maneuverability, and can afford to be much shorter, making them easier to move about and aim quickly indoors, and the shorter effective range of 5.56 stops mattering when the asshole you're firing at is <50m away. Similar could be said about submachine guns. It's all about the environment and the likelihood the enemy is wearing armor.

>>32650671
So for a BR to be worthy of becoming a service rifle it would need to be much better in shorter range engagements than current BRs. Which, considering a long barrel length is necessary for good 308 performance, is a pretty hard thing to do. Any big cartridges better suited for shorter barrels?

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>>32650757
>Which, considering a long barrel length is necessary for good 308 performance, is a pretty hard thing to do.

>>32643858
>tfw I was there when we got to shoot it

>>32650808
I almost mentioned bullpups specifically to say that they wouldn't be an option. See:

http://anarchangel.blogspot.ca/2005/03/why-bullpups-are-persistently-bad-idea.html?m=1

>>32650891
None of those are really show-stopping problems.
By his own admission, the biggest problem is the tendency of bullpups to have a rearward weight bias, which is easily corrected either with a heavier barrel or by bolting a bunch of tactical crap onto the front of the gun.
If nothing else, the MDR is nearly a foot shorter than a FAL with the same barrel length; you could put a silencer on it and fix the balance issue while still having a shorter OAL than a conventional layout and being dramatically quieter.

>>32651046
It's not about show stopping problems, it's about a bunch of little problems that make the design a bad idea for militaries. They're more complex, and more awkward to use.

>>32650757
Long barrel length is not required for .308 to perform well.

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>>32651407
It helps a lot, especially if you're interested in not setting things on fire w/ your muzzle flash

>>32651769
The muzzle velocity of match 308 from a 16" bbl is the same as the same round at 100yds from a 20" bbl.

Use better powder if your concerned about powder still burning.

From a 13" bbl, the same ammo is still super sonic at 800.

>>32651862
you can talk m.v. all day but shorter barrels= shorter effective range

>>32651967
Yes.
But if your going .308 over 6.5 creedmoor in the same size/weight rifle, your not trying to get a 1000 really. And since the banter has been about battle rifles regaining ground, the effective range isn't a concern.

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>>32651862
Yeah I just took a look and it seems you're right. I hate that there's still so much potential energy wasted at 16 inches, but as you say it's really unnecessary. Also 16" BRs are fucking aesthetic.

Has anyone made a "tier list" of the various G3 clones/civvie variants? Which ones are worth buying and which ones to avoid?

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I've since taken the scope off my m1a, but even though I love the stock sights, I think I'll be putting it back on

>>32650671
A larger caliber SPR would make sense to get rid of the fucking Mk14s still in service. 18" rifle gassed small frame AR10 with M-Lok or Keymod free-float handguard and a maximum weight under 7.5 pounds unloaded with no attachments and under 1 MOA extreme spread for three 10 shot groups would work well.

Retains the manual of arms with the AR15, highly accurate for long range engagements, still useful in close quarters if needed.

>>32643203
Because I want to blast stuff better than 308 while still plinking cheap!

>>32643388
WOWBOWZZA!

>>32643858
No, not even joking, it's /pol/.

>>32649333
>Turkey just adopted an AR10
How do I buy this weird fucking thing?

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Has anyone ever bought an M1 Garand through the CMP?

I've been wanting to get one for ages and I finally have enough to buy at least a field grade Rifle, was it a pain in the ass to get? How difficult would it be for an Oregonfag to get one?

>>32654169
You gotstabe 18 laddie.

WHICHEVER ONE OF YOU NIGGAS CALLED THE MPT-76 AN AR10 IS A FUCKING FAG! IT HAS A FUCKING GAS PISTON!

FUCKING DROPPED.

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>>32650671
>doesn't know Iraq has cities and urban centers.

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>>32643627
i think this technically counts as a battlerifle

i recently acquired one and ive been loving its aesthetic

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Ok, what the fuck is the difference between all the different SCARs, mainly the .308 ones. I thought there was just the 17...

>>32654890
caliber

>>32649318
>2017
>not having a set of buif
I'm really gonna enjoy fucking your wife when shtf kid.

>>32654894
the vz52 uses a 7.62x45

>>32643826
Beautiful fucking National. The gun ain't bad either.

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>>32654925
>7.62x45
>Its muzzle velocity and muzzle energy are slightly higher than that of the 7.62×39mm cartridge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9745mm
>last sentence

IdunnoboutdemBEANSman.

>>32654892
they have the mk20 which is just the accurized version of the 17
not sure what you are confused about?
the x-25 drum mag in ur pic has nothing to do with the SCAR, it's just the name of the mag

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>>32655250
> In his spare time Chis E. Murray has been developing a cartridge
>which he calls the 7×46mm Universal Intermediate Assault Cartridge.
>The 7×46mm is designed to replace 5.56mm
>and 7.62mm NATO cartridges

I don't fucking know, this is getting into the 6.speshulmm levels

>>32655262
So apparently there are lower called "SCAR25" lowers, and they can take other magazines, but maybe not SCAR magazines anymore?

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>>32655266
>Its overall length has been optimized
>so that guns chambering it would be bigger than an AR-15
>but smaller than an AR-10

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>>32655274
bullet wt
>130 gr (8 g)
spd
>760 m/s (2,500 ft/s)
e
>2,455 J (1,811 ft·lbf)

>>32655274
This stupid czech round is only 2.5mm longer than a 5.56mm round's oal is.

You could just do a normal size AR, right?

How do you get ammo? Make ammo?

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My SCAR 17S will be here Wednesday. My body is ready.

>>32655309
and a smaller brass diameter than x39

It could be a nice .30 rifle in AR land...

>>32655319
DONTYOUDAREFUCKINGgoatpostHEREYOUNIGGERFAGGOTROODYPOOCANDYASS

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>>32655330

Problem?

>>32653931
But .30-06 isn't really 'blasting' any better

>>32655268
There are like four companies who lowers for the SCAR to take SR25 pattern magazines. The SR25 pattern magazines I buy are more expensive than SCAR magazines I buy.

Frankly I'd prefer an AR lower that took SCAR mags.

>>32655444
A 25-round PMAG is only ~$22, 20rders are even less.
Are you buying shitty Korean knockoff SCAR mags or what?

>>32655527
Lancer L7s

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>>32655319
What optic you going to run on it?

>>32656062

Not sure yet. Probably nothing over 3.4x or 4x.

>>32657048
Then your talking red dot or acog.
Id recommend something variable, so you can go up higher if you want to.

>>32657073

What would you suggest?

>>32655319
Might be in the market for one soon but still can't find them anywhere for a decent price. Did you bite the bullet and pay a fuck ton on gunbroker or did you find somewhere that had them cheap?

>>32657194

Got mine on Hyatt Guns for $3,400. Fuck it, I haven't seen one for sale in over five years.

>>32644863
4U

>>32657115
Depends what the budget is.
PA has a 1-8 for cheap
SWFA SS 1-6 or 3-15 are pretty good for a modest step up in price.
The new vortex PST gen2 should be good, expect more news at SHOT in a few days

>>32657359
Best for sale right now is $3300 from what I can see
http://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/herstal-scar-carbine-98541-winchester-semi-auto-polymer-stock-earth-finish-p-30315.html

You didnt get it too bad

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>>32657359
>>32657823
Chose a bad time to buy scars, bought mine a couple of days before omar "puts fags in body bags" mateen shot up the club for $2700

>>32657919
You can see them under $3k already from time to time. But those clear out quickly. Hopefully the good word from FN comes out mid week

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>>32653149
this is going on mine after I float the barrel and bed the action

I also have a shitload of M80 ball I need to shoot through first, considering doing an Appleseed

>>32655578
sure

>>32658369
Just finished primer pocket swaging like 300 cases of m80.

>>32658032
What good word?

>>32659388
SHOT show. Hopefully they announce that a bigger shipment coming in, Mk20 coming out. Hope and dreams of young children will be made manifest.

>Dont hold your breath though

>>32656062
That looks very uncomfortable for charging handle usage of any kind.

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>>32659904
Thats not my rifle. That rifle is set up for a lefty, so he probably has another one on the other side too.

I have my charging handle on the left and the throw levers on the right.

>>32660678
>stock charging handle
>probably has another one on the other side too
u wot m8?

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>>32661296
This just in faggot, you can buy parts for rifles
https://www.handldefense.com/product/fn-scar-16s17s-charging-handle/

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I still just don't see how anything can be any inherently better the AR10, and non-piston derivatives, approach.

.308 makes big recoil. Nothing more efficiently, correctly (from a motion perspective), or totally reduces recoil as well as ARs, while staying truly inline (that's the motion perspective).

Am I missing something here? I know ARs are pretty fucking reliable, so... Why would you an anything else?

>>32661365
*than the

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>>32661365
SCAR has less felt recoil than an AR10 with the same brake, even though the SCAR weighs less. Your also incorrect that .308 has a lot of recoil, its a kitten.

Both are good

>>32661412
SCAR's recoil is not inline though, follow up shots should be less perfect.

Also, it seems like most of what can be done for other rifles to make them recoil nicer can be applied to the ARs ontop of their unique benefits too. tl;dr Still no reason to own anything but an AR, it has all the exclusive recoil management.

>>32661360
>you can just buy a second stock charging handle and just jam both of them in
Do you even own a scar?

>>32661365
>Am I missing something here? I know ARs are pretty fucking reliable, so... Why would you an anything else?
Depends on what you mean by reliable. From what I hear from AR10 owners is that they are picky on which ammo they like to be fed. The SCAR will take it all and if need be you can easily change out gas screws.

>>32662014
So ALL AR10s are picky eaters?

There's no known chow-hounds on the market?

>>32661826
But the SCAR recoil is inline, follow up shots are fine. Shot one, its a non-issue. The things that make the SCAR recoil less cannot be done with an AR10 asides from the brake.

>>32661955
I do, its not hard to get two dual charging handles to be a thing mang
http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-scar-17s/22041-dual-charging-handles.html

>>32662097
>>32662014
Only shitty, cheapo AR10s are picky. In general, only shitty semi-autos are picky.

>>32662357
Recommend an AR10 to school the SCAR, more accurate, less weight.

>>32662379
I'm not arguing AR10 vs SCAR here, I'm just saying any decent semi-auto should eat basically whatever you give it as long as it's not fucked up ammo.

>>32662379
Non small frame AR10s are almost going to be heavier as a matter of course.

>>32662423
>using shit ammo

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>>32662423
FA(i)L a shit

>>32662721
Is your FAL really that bad? I've seen you post a few times about being finicky or something.

>>32662970
Its not the gun, its the magazine I used, DSA mags suck

>>32653088
>Considering anything but a real HK
Kys famalambo

>>32662981
truth bump from the grave

>>32644610

I recognize that face from a trap-doujinshi-series!

You have been exposed, faggot!!!

>>32643627
It's you, that gun is a nail driver

>>32666653
bateman.png

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post your build lists kommandos

https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=RS27-C-1900026

>>32663442

The only people spending SCAR/MWS money on roller delayed .308 guns are HK collectors and people that know nothing about guns.

>>32669152
You forgot people with superb taste who don't have delusional operator fantasies.

>>32669198
I think he summed it up correctly.

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>>32669279
Of course, because only people who know nothing about guns buy anything but the top tier USSOCOM approved rifles so they can survive WROL when SHTF during TEOTWAWKI. Copy that Foxtrot Alpha Golf.

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>>32669309
Projecting and ad hominem in one post?
You must really not have an argument.

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>>32669381
I'm sorry but I'm not autistic enough to treat a fucking poorfag's 4chan post as an invitation go a bloody debate. If that's what you're looking for, no thanks. Or I guess I have to formally concede for you to be able to mark it as a victory, right? Do I have to sign anything?

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>>32643627
/brg/:

>if PTR is for poorfags
>then how can else can I satisfy my g3 wants?
What are the various steps above a PTR for a g3 rifle?

>>32669528
HK 91, $2,000.
HK PSG-1, $10,000.
HK G3, $56,000.

>>32669521
So you have an HK made G3 pattern rifle?

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>>32669571
So its PTR Then straight to HK? Where does the cetme c lie in all this?

>>32669586
>So its PTR Then straight to HK?
The gap isn't really so wide. PTR has some high end models too.
>Where does the cetme c lie in all this?
On the ground where it belongs. Seriously though they're not much better than Century. Collectors will always buy them though.

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>>32669528
PTR is pretty good. Ignore the memes.

>>32669581
I'm actually a FAL kind of guy.

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>>32669528
>What are the various steps above a PTR for a g3 rifle?
A Vector-Kelly VKE-91 for like $1500-2000. In that price range you might also be able to snag a pre-ban Greek EBO-made G3/SAR3 imported by Springfield Armory, or a Portuguese FMP-made G3S. Then there's Moore Dynamics MAD-91 for like $2500, then most HK91s you'll see are at least $2500 now.

Zenith has been suggesting they'll import a MKE-41 from MKE in Turkey, but who knows if it's ever going to happen.

>>32669586
>Where does the cetme c lie in all this?
The original CETME Sporters from the 1960s imported by Mars Equipment Corp. are all collector's items and $3-5K rifles. The Century "CETME" Sporters are $500 guns.

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>>32669571
>HK G3, $56,000.
Fuck I need more money.

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>>32669673
>tfw I can afford
but fuck that

>>32669713
Well yeah I could too, but I mean I need more digits so I could just buy it and not even give a fuck.
Unless that's what you mean, then please buy it for me I'll be your golf caddy/best friend/lover.

>>32669673
You could get three HK21s instead

>tfw you actually miss squid

>>32669751
He still posts as anon

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>>32669800
it's not the same

>>32669738
urpathetic

>>32668653
>link
???

>>32670029
Anon seems to like the trijicon 1-8, /arg/ is abuzz about it too.

>>32669949
Yeah, well, whatever.

not OP i just bought my PTR GI this Friday and am trying do figure out what optic to put on it. i got the claw mount with the rail but i don't know what to put on it

>>32671235
Your not a laser cut steel silhouette of a permabanned trip?

Anything of note from Shot so far?

>>32672553
SHOT doesn't start for another 7 hours.

>>32643627
what is the best g3 clone?

>>32672787
Range day bruh

>>32671235
Aimpoint 9000SC

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>>32672819
HK91.

>>32672819
PTRs are pretty good. They've probably got the best balance of quality, manufacturer support, and availability for G3 clones.

is the furniture interchangeable between inch/metric FALs?

also Sa/k/uya still damaged goods

>>32643627
PTR-91 vs FAL vs M1A Scout?
My thoughts: PTR is cheapest, followed closely by FAL, then a few hundred more to get M1A. I'm mostly worried about how the rifle shoots (accuracy+reliability) cost of mags being reasonable, and aftermarket/ability to mount a scope. My intent is for this rifle to be for anything greater than 300 yds, as my AR-15 could probably do at least that.
Should I maybe just save for a premo AR-10 or a SCAR-17? What does /k/ think?

>>32673823
No, it requires niggering. Different screws.

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Can someone with a FAL take a picture of their bore? I need something to compare mine to so I know how good the rifling is.

>>32673823
Goods of any kind don't have a dick, unless they're goods for women. Men don't want his goods.

>>32673943
If you're going for distance shooting then an AR10 would probably be your best idea. You can build something pretty decent for not a whole lot too.

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>>32674041
Why the hell can't straight people go five fucking minutes without reminding the world of their sick fetish? Men and women can have sex with each other if they want to but keep it to yourselves, perverts.

New Savage MSR10 hunter is tempting in it's price range. Any better options for the money?

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>>32674121
We're not ashamed

>>32674234
Looks like a decent value.
That pistol grip has to go.
I'd go creedmoor

>>32674234
All the kids are talking about 6.5 for long range shooting, but .308 is available pretty much anywhere and everywhere, so it's a personal preference.

>>32674524
Creedmoor isnt hard to find for me.

>>32674524
>shooting long range
>not reloading

>>32670097
I'm concerned about the waterproofing. Doesn't "waterproof to 3m" basically mean that it's toast if you do anything more serious than maybe dropping it in a puddle?
Also
>MOA

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>>32673943
>PTR-91 vs FAL vs M1A Scout?
None of the above

>>32674968
I'm not often doing deep water operating.
It's available in milrads as well.

>>32653149
what scope mount is on here?

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Should I buy one? Will it work well in the desert?

>>32675755
Yes and yes.

>>32675755

r u really asking if a g3 will work in third world conditions

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>>32675861
>>32675823
I live in Nevada, and figured that because of the expansive terrain I'd be well served by a .308. I would like to hunt deer mule and boar, too, so I'm interested in the rail and heavy barrel.

This gun is rugged and reliable?

>>32644137
>>32643627
What happened to squid man?

He gave me a night 9 patch for free and I never had the chance to return the favor

>>32675957
Yeah, it'll work pretty great for that.

>>32675957
probably like 85% of the G3s in the world are being used by African child soldiers who literally don't understand how guns work or why they might need to be cleaned or otherwise maintained

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Question for you guys.

I'm planning on doing an FAL build and am currently looking at two particular parts kits. On one hand, I've got an IMBEL M964 kit for $575. On the other, I found a Steyr StG58 kit for $850. Both are matching and have original barrels, though the IMBEL also has a bayonet, and the Steyr seems to be lacking its flash hider (and bipod, but I know not all StG58's actually had one to begin with).

Is it worth the extra money to get the Steyr, or should I just stick to the IMBEL and not worry about it?

>>32676053
>>32675976
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/ptr-91fr-308-rifle-w-paddle-mag-release-detail.html?Itemid=0

Is this a fair price?

>>32676119
Are you going to baby it, oil it after every trip to the range, only use brass ammo, keep it in a humidity controlled safe, and sing sweet lullabies to it at night? If so, go for the Steyr. Otherwise, get an Imbel.

>>32676143
Yeah that's a good price. Atlantic is a pretty good store too.

>>32675957
It'll eat anything you feed it without complaint. It'll regularly maul brass, but it ejects it like a motherfucker. Never seen it malf from a failure to eject.

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>>32643765
Oh hey, that's my fat ass. I broke 3 things in one meet. it was a new record.

>>32676210
They feed steel cased?

>>32676343
Doesn't give a shit. Match grade unicorn horns or shitty surplus steel cycles pretty much the same.

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>>32676330
And this was the bayo I broke. and my truck broke it's ball joint, so lets see what sacrifice next.

>>32676330
I get that it kaboomed, but as someone who is unfamiliar with FALs, what am I looking at here?

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>>32676394
>>32676210
>>32676191
>>32676053
>>32675861
>>32675823

Thanks bros. Order placed.

>>32676160
Are you saying the Steyr is only worth it for collector value, or that it's not terribly rugged?

>>32676488
case/rim separation. case stayed in, primer and rim decided they wanted to play elsewhere, powder and pressure goes down and out.

>>32676620
Ah, I see that now. Thanks.

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What kind of red dot is this? The Armslist post simply refers to it as a "cowitnessed red dot". Looks slick as hell.

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>>32676608
Not the guy you replied to, but IIRC the Steyr barrels are NOT chromed, they are bare steel. As such you gotta be a lot more careful with avoiding corrosion and rust.

IMBEL barrels, on the other hand, are chrome to the dome and don't give a fuck about anything.

>>32676910
It's an airshit sight, unfortunately.

>>32677045
Awww. Well, what would you guys recommend for an approx for plinking and camping for an HK91?

>>32676924
Wait, really? Steyr went to all that trouble to make CHF barrels and they didn't chrome-line them?

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>>32676592
Where can I get cheap G3 mags and a sling?

>>32669652
Ooh what kind of bipod do you have on your rifle?

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>>32677349
Normal HK bipod. They attach to the wide G3 handguards. You can get them on robertrtg.

>>32677203
where can you not find cheap G3 mags? new ones are $4, used ones are $3, more used ones are $2.50

>>32677453
Sportsmans guide had G3 olive drab stock sets for $13 and German lowers for $18. I think I might paint them desert tan.

>>32677493
Shipping sucked. Ended up getting 11 from Brownells for $49 after shipping. I got 240 rounds to break her in.

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>not buying magazines new in a box
It's like you want problems

>>32680972
>G3K w/ 5.5x ACOG
sure why not

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>>32677149
Yep. The chambers are chrome lined, but none of the bores are. That being said, they are some of the best FAL barrels ever made and anyone would be lucky to have one in decent shape.

>>32682742
Shit. I really can't afford the extra $275, but this damn StG58 is calling to me.

>>32683176
IMBELs are fine rifles too, anon. Not to mention infinitely more abuseable.

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fuck ballistic advantage

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they are fucking up my program

>>32675974
>what happened to squid man

He beefed it.

>>32684136
Who made those recievers?
Looks uggo

>>32684347
Its used like your sis and ma

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>>32684136
Are those handguards not the same height as the receiver?

>>32684652
Fractionally different
Its the KAC rail for ar15

>>32684742
Why not just get something nice

>>32684828
They are lighter than most rails
Can mount a vert grip
M16A4 is dead sexy, just the wrong caliber

>>32684871
>They are lighter than most rails
Not when you account for the weight of the delta ring assembly and handguard retainer cap.

>>32684897
Shhh.
You are ruining a dream

>>32684897
You're not wrong but this feels way more solid than my old gen2 SS rail

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Why the fuck can't I buy a SCAR 17S that looks like a FAL?
I want the A E S T H E T I C but I also want a decent DMR.

>>32685405
Because they're completely different guns that happen to use similar magazines?

>>32685258
It probably is. Does it screw against the barrel nut like the M4 RAS does?

>>32685439
I'm sure the waffleniggers could figure it out.

>>32685476
They're engineers not wizards.

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>>32685476
They tried. Couldnt make it go.
So they dropped the FAL and started from scratch.
You either deal with it and get the best looking rifle in existence, or settle for an FAL.

>>32685461
No, i had to punch it out
I seen some other guy online had already done it so i went ahead

>>32685534
Fix that typo.

>>32685587
'^

>>32685405
I'm pretty sure you could make an FAL look like a SCAR. That would be the worst of all possible worlds, though.

>>32675097
Not really the same price range but yes I've been looking at that. It seems like I could build an equivalent or better AR-10 for way less though. I've seen both AR-10's and SCAR-17's hit out to 600m consistently with no hiccups, so I'm not really sure which is more accurate or if it even matters.

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>>32685534
>the best looking rifle in existence
?

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>>32685626
Why must you hurt me in this way?

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>>32685725
>Comparable
Only way to get comparable is an LMT

>>32685811
That is even more boring than an M4.

>>32685626
>>32685853
pic related

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>>32685874
Bubba, no...

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>>32685895
Thats actually the nice one.
I have far, far worse

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>>32685874
It's a salt raifu with the aesthetics of an MP5.
What's not to like?

>>32685811
Since when is an MP5 submachine gun a rifle?

>>32685968
The aesthetics of an mp5
That its a salt riafu
Sheet metal
its an artifact from the 70s, in typical HK fashion no real chance for upgrading anything.

I could go on.

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back in my day we killed dog eating gooks

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>>32686205

>>32685874
is there any proof to back up your claims of accuracy of the SCAR-17 beating out the high end AR-10s? Honestly like just one shooting video with groups from 500+ yards

>>32686268
At that point it really comes down to shooter skill desu

Should i get a scar or a g28?

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>>32686268
anecdotal reports of SOF dudes taking the scopes off their M110s and using them on their SCAR-Hs instead

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>>32686287
>ugliest rifle ever
>1.5 MOA
G28 for sure.

>>32686287
>g28?
Go bankrupt or go home.

>>32686287
Wait a day or two for SHOT-related MDR news, then buy a SCAR if it's gotten delayed again.

>>32675957
>This gun is rugged and reliable?
AK level reliable
and in some conditions (cold) better

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>>32686359
>and in some conditions (cold) better
Except for not at all.

>>32686268
You said comparable. So when I start looking at feature sets, only thing close is an LMT. If you just want accuracy, yes, you can get an AR10 down to half moa. SCAR 17s are just a hare under moa at best generally.

Of course the counter to that argument is (PLEASE FN, PLUHHEEEZZZE) the Mk20

>>32686336
People were in the DTI booth today..

>>32686286
>>32686317
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_98MeKrCzwk
This is the best I could find on YouTube where all three guys take shots from both rifles. Seems like both are pretty much just as accurate. Not that you have to watch the video or anything but I found it interesting.

>>32686423
I apologize for the word "comparable" then. I'm not sure what your criteria for that is, but I meant comparable in cost, as the upper end AR-10s go for around 3.5k and so does the SCAR-17 it seems like. Am I missing some even higher end AR-10?

>>32686420
>most guns don't fucking work when frozen fucking solid
such informative
very science
wow

>>32686554
>shoving the goalposts up your ass and waddling away with them
It shows G3s are not more reliable than AKs in cold. That's what anon claimed. Mud baths on the other hand... G3 wins. Only rifle I can see handling both is the Galil ACE 52. Built like a tank. A Jewish tank.

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>>32686554
But some guns do.

Checkmate, Atheists.

>>32686586
>>32686587
The JIDF has arrived.

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>>32686620
>Wehraboo tears

>>32686420
>1 of each gun with random ammo and lubricants

Why can't gun lovers science?

>>32686654
>random ammo and lubricants
"No."

>>32686654
>Why can't gun lovers science?
Why can't German guns work in the cold?

Anyone have a link to build an FAL?
Need some help. Have the barrels on, but they won't budge the last 15 degrees needed to line up properly.

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>>32644919
>be 6'2"

>see the misuse of 'to' and 'too'

>mfw

>>32687514
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNckPmFKNRo

>>32687667
Thanks

>>32646239
actually it makes sense, the L1A1 is what the british were using as their military rifle so it would probably have been easier and cheaper to get those instead of buying g3s off the black market. This might be false but it makes sense.

>>32686219
It works if you train hard enough on single shot. You can shoot pretty darn fast, as fast as you would ever need to anyway.

>>32669528
>>32669528
pretty much this. Their are more expensive g3 base rifles out there than the ptr but cheaper than the hk but they are either collectors items of lower quality or custom build one offs from competent gunsmiths.
Eventually though, that one turk company is supposed to be bringing in g3s at $1500 and clear plastic mags but i don't know when.

>>32669671
the thing is, the SARs and FMPs are about the same quality as the ptr but for about double the money. Can't speak for the Vector-kelly or the Moore dynamics guns.
Though, wasn't vector that one company that changed its name because it had a reputation for building junk at obscene prices, only to continue the practice?

>>32672892
>>32672819
this but not quite. The origional g3 semi autos that hk would be hands down the best because it wans't a clone just semi auto, followed by the hk41 then the hk91 then some higher end custom guns, then ptr91.
so basically this>>32673501

New thread:
>>32687899
>>32687899
>>32687899

>>32687870
You're thinking of Vulcan, I think.

>>32685968
I think it's a pretty rifle, anon.

>>32687654
But I'm 6' four