I wish the Yamato battleship had gone in a blaze of glory, instead

Downed by cheap planes with cheaper weapons

shamefurr dispray

It saw a hell of a lot more action than Bismarck and Tirpitz.

>>32506148
FUCK OFF spud

File: Bismarck-Wrack.jpg (40KB, 600x294px) Image search: [Google]

40KB, 600x294px

>>32506223

>It saw a hell of a lot more action than Bismarck and Tirpitz.

Say what you want about old Bismark, at least she sank the Hood. Yamato accomplished literally nothing. No kills to her name. Didn't participate in any battles. Too slow to operate with the IJN fleet. A complete waste.

>>32506148
Yeah and I wish the USS Arizona and 3 other battleships sunk; 188 aircraft destroyed; 2,403 servicemen and 68 civilians killed at Pearl Harbor hadn't been attacked.
Karma is a bitch.

File: photo045.jpg (57KB, 600x395px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 600x395px

>>32506304
>Say what you want about old Bismark, at least she sank the Hood.
Not to mention doing exactly what OP wanted the Yamato to do.
>Vow to fight to the last shell
>Get in a two-hour slugfest with two battleships, 3 cruisers, and a half-dozen destroyers
>Scuttle self after everything above the waterline has been reduced to a riddled heap

All those AA sponsons and yet it couldn't defend itself from a few planes.

>>32506148
That's because you're autistic

>>32506148

This thread is good. Keep it up, it should scare away all those "BRING BACK IOWA"-faggots.

>>32506400
The Bismarck actually tried to surrender but the electronic communications were knocked out. They then tried flagging and flashing their surrender, but the allied ships ignored them.

File: 01.jpg (636KB, 1324x2048px) Image search: [Google]

636KB, 1324x2048px

>final mission is to beach itself and act as fire support
>It's 18" guns never had a single shore bombardment HE round produced

The fuck were they thinking?

>>32506434
A good nazi is a dead one, no prisoners

>>32506419
The Japanese 25mm AA gun was horrible compared to the 40mm Bofors.

>>32506223
Bismark at least killed an enemy capital ship. The one real battle Yamato was in she ran away from a tiny force (taffy3) in the battle off samar.

File: throw weight.png (864KB, 907x1300px) Image search: [Google]

864KB, 907x1300px

>>32506419
The Yamato's throw weight was only roughly 35k lbs/min which was pretty pathetic for the day considering its tonnage

They couldn't have even if they wanted to. The Americans would've outmaneuvered her and drowned her with planes anyway.

File: 1402882187549.gif (409KB, 300x235px) Image search: [Google]

409KB, 300x235px

>>32506449
t.

>>32506458
This.

The Bofors is still in use (altho a bit uppgraded) and there is a reson for that.

>>32506487

The plan was to beach the ship on Okinawa and then have the ship act as a massive shore battery and bunker for the defenders of the island. It would have been a hell of an ending for the ship.

>>32506525
Yeah, if they had the air force to back it up. Which they didn't. No matter what they would've done it would've come down to aircraft.

>>32506525
It would've been pretty shit really. None of the guns had anywhere near the depression needed for direct fire after beaching

File: 8IuxfN5.jpg (138KB, 453x376px) Image search: [Google]

138KB, 453x376px

>>32506525
Would that really be a sound battle strategy? It would only serve as a immobile target for every shit

>>32506570
It'd be pretty badass, though.

>>32506444
"oooo white devirs are coming! We shourd not ret them get our ship! Most dishonorabru!"

>>32506449
>>>/lgbt/

File: WNUS_4cm-56_mk12_Hornet_pic.jpg (49KB, 707x522px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 707x522px

>>32506419

>All those AA sponsons and yet it couldn't defend itself from a few planes.

There is more to AA than pure volume. The US navy had several critical advantages that made their AA much more effective. American battleships had primitive radar fire-control for their 5-inch anti-aircraft (Dual-Purpose actually) guns. Not very impressive by today's standards but it still drastically lowered the amount of shots to hit a plane. And these same guns also benefited from the proximity fuse which meant that even if a shell didn't hit a plane directly, it would still be able to go off nearby and inflict damage. And of course, American battleships were also bristled with small caliber anti-aircraft guns like the 40mm bofors. These guns were not as intimidating as the 5-inch guns but they were very powerful within their effective range. The quad-mounts for 40mm bofors had power turrets so the gun could aim and turn the guns without much effort which makes tracking an aircraft up close much, much easier.

>>32506570

>Would that really be a sound battle strategy?

The Japanese command was fully aware that they were going to lose at this point. They were just trying to hold out in hopes of negotiating favorable terms of surrender. They were also holding onto the slight glimmer of hope that Hitler might win the war in Europe and then send them reinforcements. Beaching the Yamato at Okinawa was actually a good idea in that context. It would have make the ship unsinkable and provided the island defenders with a new very heavily armored bunker.

>It would only serve as a immobile target for every shit

An unsinkable immobile target is better than a sinkable immobile target.

>>32506459
I love that battle so much

>>32506629
Late war fire control systems make my pecker hard, I read how those big flak towers in the German heartland with the big 128mm dual-mount guns were some of the first to be entirely directed and the gun laid by radar network, all the gunners would do is select target by computer and physically load the shells.

>>32506762
the battle of samar was basically a few guys completely running out of shits to give

>>32506444
"shit shit shit shit shit"

>>32506621
>sympathizing with the enemies of the united states

>>32506478
awesome graphic

>>32506223
t. dumb nigger

>>32506449
>>>/out/

Fucking faggot.

File: 2a37fbf5b146b8d7a35cd7ef36283f440a9a817acba7870abb987801cde2a7ea.png (254KB, 1489x1423px) Image search: [Google]

254KB, 1489x1423px

>>32507480
>implying Hitler did anything wrong.

I bet you think the evil Nazis made lampshades out of Jews after electrocuting and gassing them to death.

File: kot.jpg (9KB, 251x289px) Image search: [Google]

9KB, 251x289px

>>32506570
>Japs
>Sound strategy

File: Honto Gomenasai.png (185KB, 345x250px) Image search: [Google]

185KB, 345x250px

>>32507966
>Japs
>Having any viable choice.

Strapped with resources, surrounded by enemies, squabbles between military branches and denied tech exchange with allies, they were doomed from the start.

I'm fascinated about Imperial Japanese tech evolution though.

>>32506871
Don't forget the US 90mm radar-guided batteries that were installed just in time to shoot down most of the V-1s. Any later and a minor crisis would have turned into a major one.

AKAGI A CUTE! AKAGI A CUTE!

>>32508055
>>Having any viable choice.
how about stop having any grandiose notion of having an "Empire" when your country doesn't have the capacity to create and maintain such an empire?

Pretty viable plan to me.

>>32506499

It, like the M2 was built right the first time and no one has gotten something better since than that was worth replacing what is in stock.

>>32508138
If they had stuck to their original plan of not triggering America, then they would have definitely have a greater chance.

>Muh Pearl Harbor

Fucking Shinzo Abe visited the site recently

>>32508208

I don't think anybody in this thread was mad at Abe anon.

>>32508098

SAMs were a mistake desu

>>32506478
are the ship in the top and bottom the same ships after upgrade? (except for the iowa and claa)

>>32506148
That's why the concept died. Sinking of Yamato probably affected morale and it wasn't doing anything two smaller ships of half the tonnage couldn't do. Do you really need a battleship to escort convoys?

>>32510240
>As if the Imperial Japanese government would let it's people or soldiers know at all about it's sinking.

It' had literally millions ready to defend to the last, their moral really didn't waver too much.

>>32510402
I'd say there's a pretty big morale shift between "Hell yeah we're going to win this war" to "Fuck we're all gonna die"

>>32506678
>They were also holding onto the slight glimmer of hope that Hitler might win the war in Europe and then send them reinforcements.
Thats like a whole new level of whishfull thinking right there

>>32506762
The Leeroy Jenkins of battles

File: Village_Inn_AGLT_FN150_Turret.jpg (155KB, 500x684px) Image search: [Google]

155KB, 500x684px

>>32508098
and also the dank-ass radar directed tail guns on Lancasters for night bombing. When combined with the .50 caliber Rose Rice turret (instead of the quad .303 turret) they gave the Lancaster an actual BVR capability at night, which was important since until then gunners had to rely on spotting any night fighters visually. The war ended before they managed to install a decent IFF on them but they're cool nonethless

>>32506629
The Mark 37 director was the most advanced in the world at the time, and had the distinct advantage that, thanks to telecommunications advancements over previous designs, much of the weight could be placed below decks. This meant that battleship-level AA fire control was fitted to all ships, down to destroyers (without multiple target engagement capabilities).

File: USS-SOUTH-DAKOTA-BATTLESHIP-PLASTIC-MODEL-KIT-1-700.jpg (209KB, 1600x591px) Image search: [Google]

209KB, 1600x591px

>>32506478

It is generally agreed that in order for Japan to have a chance at winning the war, they would have needed to win decisively at Midway. This is why I say the Yamato and Musashi were both a massive waste of resources. In order for the ships to have an impact on the war, they would have needed to be present at Midway. And why weren't they present at Midway? Because the ships lacked the speed and range to participate in fleet action. A better design would have been to sacrifice some armor, and settle for 16-inch guns (instead of 18-inch guns) in favor of getting a higher top speed. An even better option would have been to just design and build the ships as fleet aircraft carriers from the start, but that's a whole other topic.

>>32510518

After Midway, the entire Japanese war effort turned into one long delaying action based on the belief that Hitler was going to totally win the war in Europe and come save them. They were also hoping that if they inflicted enough casualties, America would be afraid to invade the Japanese mainland and then Japan would be allowed to surrender on favorable terms. In other words, they were hoping that America would allow them to keep some of the land that they had conquered during the war, and that all the war crimes committed by the Japanese leadership would be swept under rug in favor of peace.

The whole idea that they were going to fight forever to the bitter end was propaganda for plebs to absorb. The Japanese leadership was perfectly willing to surrender so long as they were allowed to do so under conditions that were favorable to them. They wanted amnesty for war crimes, and maybe an agreement that would allow them to keep some extra land.

>>32506148
This is why I hate Asukafags.

>>32506459
>be Kurita
>don't realize that Halsey took the bait
>think the CVEs are Halsey
>run away

also Surigao was fucking hilarious
>be Nishimura
>walk into a USN gunline

>>32506444
Kids 2 Kangs

>>32512129
Would 2 more fleet carriers really have changed the war in Japan's favor? I think not.

>>32506762
>"Aircraft from the carriers of Taffy 1, 2, and 3, including FM-2 Wildcats, F6F Hellcats and TBM Avengers, strafed, bombed, torpedoed, rocketed, depth-charged, fired at least one .38 caliber handgun"
>Fired at least one .38 caliber handgun

>>32513324

I never said anything about winning.

>>32506432
maybe you should go lick a dog's asshole 'til it bleeds BRING BACK IOWA

>>32506304
>At least she sank the Hood
The hood was a relic of ww1 that had no business being anywhere near a ww2 battleship, even an early one like Bismark.
The only victory there was the prestige, it wasn't anywhere close to being a match. You could compare it to HMS Warrior sinking HMS Victory.

>>32515734

Eliminating a 45,000 ton warship and 1300 sailors with just 1 well-placed shot is a victory no matter how you slice it.

>>32510220
Some might be refits, others are newer classes.

>>32506148
she was fighting in the wrong waters, you should have thought she would fit in the Atlantic better than the Pacific

>>32513037
>Battle at Surigao

I just finished reading about this on Wikipedia. Wowzers, what an engagement. Apparently the last time in history that battleships were able to cross the T. Thanks for mentioning it!

>>32513411
this has to be the manliest thing anyone has ever done

>>32507764

> negotiating with enemies of the united states

i'll bet that you blame black men and jews for your being unpopular with women

>>32515940

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8VYqhvBpL0

Skip to 30:00

>>32516584
>>32507764
>>32507574
>>32507563
>>32506585
This is a racial thread now lads

File: Carrier AA.png (764KB, 740x1178px) Image search: [Google]

764KB, 740x1178px

>>32510220

The Ships at the top are

DD - Benson class, mid 1942
>5x 5"/38
>4x 1.1 inch "piano organ"
>5x 20mm Oerlikon

CA - New Orleans Class
> 8x 5"/25
> 8x 1.1 inch
> 10x 20mm Oerlikon

CV - Yorktown class
> 8x 5"/38
> 16x 1.1 inch
> 20x 20mm Oerlikon

The Ships at the bottom (note, the numbers match 1945 configurations rather than 1944)

BB - Iowa class
>20x 5"/38 w/ VT rounds
>80x 40mm Bofors
>50x 20mm Oerlikon

DD - Fletcher Class
> 5x 5"/38 w/ VT rounds
> 14x 40mm Bofors (one set of Torpedo tubes removed)
> 12x 20mm Oerlikon

CLAA - Atlanta class
> 16x 5"/38 w/VT rounds
> 8x 40mm Bofors
> 16x 20mm Oerlikon

CA - Baltimore class
> 12x 5"/38
> 48x 40mm Bofors
> 24x 20mm Oerlikon

CV - Essex class
> 12x 5"/38
> 72x 40mm Bofors
> 76x 20mm Oerlikon

It's estimated that VT is around 3x to 5x more effective than timed shells, this is especially the case against high speed targets like Kamikaze.

You can take a look at the pictures to see how insane the AA creep was. Top pic is the Yorktown from 1942, bottom is Intrepid from 1944. The sides of the Yorktown are basically clean, while every inch of Intrepid's length is covered either by AA guns or elevators.

>>32516935
>DD - Fletcher
Why not Gearing or Sumner?

>>32516957

Didn't hit the front lines in numbers by late, late 44. The first Sumner squadron was deployed to the Philippines after Leyte.

Compared to the AA converted Fletchers, the only difference is 1 5"/38 gun, and a lower practical ROF since the twin turrets were more cramped and slower to load each gun than the singles.

The first Gearings showed up during Okinawa, which is mid 1945.

>>32506304

Yamato killed an escort carrier and at least one DD

>>32517003

Helped kill. Which is a pretty big difference.

The CVE kill was mostly attributed to the heavy cruisers and destroyers after it was slowed by damage from the battleships.

>>32517018

>helped

Which is pretty much how most ships are sunk.

Japs are dumbasses

I hope their women enjoyed the gang rape when Americans occupied

Why did the Japanese force turn around, anyway?

>>32506449
>2017
>not being a national socialist
Kek, faggot

>>32507764
the 16 points maybe would have a leg to stand on if the molotov-ribbentrop pact didn't exist.

pact was signed on the 23. the points were made on the 29th, suddenly included polish corridor as one of the requirements, and also required a representative with full authority to be present in berlin the following day (the 30th.) germany invaded poland in the early morning hours of september 1st.

and if the pact wasn't proof enough, there's this from the 22nd, day before pact was signed, from hitler himself:
>The object of the war is … physically to destroy the enemy. That is why I have prepared, for the moment only in the East, my 'Death's Head' formations with orders to kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space we need.

hitler managed to kill millions of europeans, he gave jews something to whine about for the next hundred years, and allowed the extreme leftism that destroyed national pride and spread decadence in all of western europe to rise to power.

>>32506148

Since it seems like /k/ has finally managed to have a BB thread that isn't pure cancer, I would like to ask a question.

Specifically, is it generally agreed that 16-inch is the largest caliber that is practically for a BB? Any larger and the shell just becomes too large and heavy for the crew to load and fire in a timely manner. Is this agreed upon or will there be those that say that the 18-inch guns on the Yamato were powerful enough to make up for their slow rate of fire? Would 17-inch guns be a good compromise? Discuss.

>>32506148
>this 25mm shitspam

>>32506539
It's hard to sink a beached ship with torpedobombers though.

>>32506338
>yankee war criminal still asshurt about 'muh perl harbor'

>>32517880
>Specifically, is it generally agreed that 16-inch is the largest caliber that is practically for a BB?
No.

>Any larger and the shell just becomes too large and heavy for the crew to load and fire in a timely manner.
What a stupid thing to say.

>>32517273
Thought that the air attack was from Halsey's carriers, instead of being from the CVEs.

>>32517880
No? The brits were gonna put 18 inchers on the N3s, and the Yamatos did just fine with them. 18 inch is fine.

>>32517880
>I have zero knowledge of battleships but I'll be a pretentious jackass anyway, the post

>>32517043
>>32517048
>>32517060
>Shell splash is twice as tall as an aircraft carrier
Jesus fuck WWII really was fucking metal as fuck.

>>32518142
t. ojo

File: 1405781658918.png (423KB, 508x581px) Image search: [Google]

423KB, 508x581px

>>32518372
Ojou?

>>32518264

> Thought that the air attack was from Halsey's carriers, instead of being from the CVEs.

Halsey's carriers never went south to Samar. They went north to finish off what was left of the Japanese carriers.

Halsey sent his two Iowas and other fast ships south in a vain attempt to catch the retreating Japanese battleships. The Fleet carriers would catch a heavy cruiser the next day.

During Samar, all the air came from the CVE's. Taffy 3 launched all it's 150 or so planes, but so did Taffy 1 and Taffy 2 further to the south for about 450 combined planes.

>>32518704
If Halsey didn't screw it up, he would have sent the Iowa's in earlier and given the Japanese the "Decisive Battle" they wanted - their Goliath being shredded by 16" shells.

>>32518286

Not an argument.

>>32518264

>The brits were gonna put 18 inchers on the N3s

But they didn't.

>the Yamatos did just fine with them

Getting BTFO by a destroyer escort is not "fine."

>18 inch is fine

The rate of fire is poor because the shell is too big for the crew to handle.

>>32518704
>Halsey's carriers never went south to Samar. They went north to finish off what was left of the Japanese carriers.
Yeah, but the Center Force never knew that.

>>32516973

I watched this scene and then remembered they shot down all of 13 aircraft in the fight.

13.

>>32518142
>you started it

>>32512129
>A better design would have been to sacrifice some armor, and settle for 16-inch guns (instead of 18-inch guns) in favor of getting a higher top speed. An even better option would have been to just design and build the ships as fleet aircraft carriers from the start, but that's a whole other topic.
No, it's really not a whole other topic considering the Yamato was, if you'll excuse my choice of words, garbage.

Try some fire control next time, nips.

>>32519237
I think damage control should come first. They just kinda let shit sink and didn't mind trying to stop.

>>32506148
It almost did in the Battle off Sumar.

Then again, that same battle saw less than a dozen destroyers and escort carriers drive the Yamato off so maybe that was for the best.

>>32506629
US Radar > IJN visual ranging.

Thats one of the many reasons jap battleships were shit.

>>32519462
damage control doesn't mean shit when a Big Guns ship can't effectively use them

>>32518803
Too bad meme magic was in its infancy back in the days, we couldve memed an iowa vs yamato battle into existence.

File: au_jus.jpg (5KB, 252x172px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 252x172px

>>32518511
au jus?

>>32506621
>>32507574
>>32506489
Actual cucks. Your grandfathers are rolling over in their graves.

>>32522224
No, they are rolling over in their graves at our cucked, degenerate society. Because of the loss of nationalism and globalist propaganda, Extreme Cultural degradation is occuring at a rate last seen during the fall of the Roman Empire.

File: 8caec7f18ab696fd596d738f8f14184b.jpg (366KB, 1198x1200px) Image search: [Google]

366KB, 1198x1200px

Hotel a CUTE!

>>32522390
I'd love animation of actual naval battles using KanColle characters

>>32518803
>implying

Iowa is outclassed by yamato. Its one advantage is its superior fire control and upscaled guns via the super heavy shell. This effectively lets iowa punch at the same weight as the yamatos, but yamato was designed as a proper line ship, to take hits from its own guns, iowa was not.

While fighting at extreme range would have seen the iowa have an advantage, battleship doctrine of the time was to close, and thats exactly what an iowa would have done, and it would have been obliterated.

>>32522431

>A 65,000 ton ship is better than a 45,000 ton ship

More at 11.

>>32522413
>Surigao
>jap shipsluts being attacked by PTs and DDs in a hallway
>turn the corner
>USN shipslut gunline
10/10 would watch

File: bismarkded.jpg (148KB, 1369x838px) Image search: [Google]

148KB, 1369x838px

>>32506304
Rodney closed with Bismarck until she was firing on a virtually flat trajectory, and spotters could actually follow the shells to the target. One 16-inch shell was tracked from the gun to where it hit the face of Bismarck's #2 turret Bruno and exploded, blowing out the back of the turret, with the resulting splinters killing most of the crew on the bridge. Rodney fired 340 16-inch shells, some in 9-gun broadsides, and 716 6-inch shells during the battle, scoring many hits from a range of under 3,000 yards (2,700 m) and inflicting most of the damage suffered by Bismarck, whose stern was blown off. During the battle, Rodney also fired twelve 24.5-inch (622 mm) torpedoes at Bismarck whilst zig-zagging across her bow; most of the torpedoes missed, but one hit Bismarck and exploded amidships on the starboard side, making Rodney the only battleship in history to have torpedoed another battleship

>>32522431
The super heavies are over rated and aren't even close to yamato's unless you somehowe think a 1225kg shells at 762m/s is anything close the yamato's 1460kg shells coming out at 780m/s

>>32522390
HOTEL IS FOR LOVE
NOT FOR SUICIDE MISSION
CHERISH YOUR HOTEL
CUDDLE YOUR HOTEL

>>32506449
Wasn't the Kriegsmarine the least nazified branch?

>>32522413
Isn't that the whole point of the game? I've breve played it, since I can't read any if the Japanese scripts.

>>32525324
Jesus.

>>32526000
My man, use this:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kancolle-command-center-%E6%94%B9/hkgmldnainaglpjngpajnnjfhpdjkohh?utm_source=chrome-ntp-icon

Unfortunately the actually fighting is all automatic, the game is more about resource management.
Its sort of like a really complex, ww2 themed anime cookie clicker.

>>32512360
Are you talking about EOE?
>Auska bitches out.
>"Mah mind rape!"
>Shinji gets pulled into a universe of rape for HOURS.
>Auska SOMEHOW reactivates her Eva.
>"I'm the best!"
>Butchers completely defenseless JSSDF (Fuckers deserved it though.)
>SELEE gets pissed.
>The MP Eva's attack her ONE AT A TIME, NOT USING THEIR LANCES AND BEING RETARDED.
>s...Stupid Shinji!
>Eva's rekt her shit.
tbqh Rei needed to die, Yui REALLY NEEDED TO FUCKING DIE.

>>32506678
>Beach Yamato.
>We are invinciblul!
>Die pigdog American!
>Flight of B29's come in.
>Yamato gets obliterated.
Japs can't do tactics to save their liv... Honor.

>>32526534
well, for bombing a ship, the SDB or other divebombers would be better i think. Sure the Superfortress had a fuckload of bombs, but it's not very accurate

>>32513037

>IJA weaboos say that USN radar fire control was inferior to IJA sights.
>show them Surigao

>>32526677
>IJA

>>32515804

A lucky shot, not to diminish the victory but it has more to do with luck than being a good shot.

>>32526700

There is no such thing as luck in war.

>>32525483

There's more to a shell than weight and speed.

>>32526696

Oops, slip of the finger. IJN*

>>32526786
Not with plunging battleship shells my kid.

File: americanwhore.jpg (1MB, 3081x1708px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 3081x1708px

Battlecruiser HMS Hood
>12in belt
>3in deck
>31 knts
"battleship" USS Iowa
>12in belt
>3in deck
>hasen't been able to make 30knts since trials a time when the US was admittedly was lying about her armor profile and likely was about her speed
BATTLECRUISER IOWA BTFO

>>32527079
fuck off /wowsg/

>>32527079
didn't the iowa do over 33 knots in tests?

>>32527294
According the data durring a time when they were also saying her citadel was twice as thick as it really is. And she never did it ever again. they tried in the 70's and they couldn't break 29knts

>>32527294

Design specifications for the Iowa called for a ship that could reach 33 knots under combat conditions, but tests showed that with light loads the ships could reach 35 knots.

>>32527316
well, that was likely with all kinds of shit growing on the ship and with 40 year old machinery. also, i think >>32527331 is right

>>32527346
they had dry docked her and scrubbed her clan as well as tried to do an overhaul. She was never able to pull that speed it's garbage american propaganda to make battlecruiser Iowa look like not abject garbage with no armor weak guns and only mediocre speed to show for it. There's a reason small peniised americans hid them away from IJN BB's as much as they could. Nagato or Mutsu would have raped them

File: 1385777144980.jpg (31KB, 250x251px) Image search: [Google]

31KB, 250x251px

>>32527391

>>32527412
Yes hide the tears my eternal goy

>>32527391
Or maybe it's because the only guns that mattered were the AAA to protect the carriers, something the IJN couldn't do.

>>32506304
Actually it's now believed that it was Yamato that sunk one of the destroyers at Samar.

Still if your only credit is sinking a ship that weighs the same weight as the turret that sank it that's not much to brag over.

>>32527391

The armor on the Iowas was anything but mediocre. It's true that Japanese battleships had thick belts, but the armor on the Iowas was designed to protect from bombs dropped by planes which was a much more relevant concern at that point in the war.

>>32527331
>>32527316
>>32527294
she borked herself because of resonance on higher rpm though, dont think they ever fixed that

>>32506432
LIFT UP YAMATO

>>32506678
I wish they had managed to beach Yamato, it wouldn't have hepled for shit but we'd have a kick ass museum.

>>32528413
we could have had the nagato

But we kinda had to nuke it

>>32527757
12 inches is trash when even the Italians have better. Even worse the US was so bad at making class A cemented plate they just abandoned it and instead just used their mediocre class B plate. ffs bonger ships from the 20's like rodney had 14in of belt and 5in of deck and that was all class A of the highest quality ever produced.

>>32527757
Yamato's deck was 7.9 inches thick and had 2 decapping decks. Barring bongistani tallboys no bombs dropped by the US could penetrate that thick of plate.

>>32506570
it's ok when you don't have any gas

>>32528386
honestly, i'd like that just because of the massive butthurt it would cause

>Japan reactivates Yamato before the US and iowa

Jokes aside, i think either the yamato or the musashi is somewhat intact. I mean intact as "hull is mostly in one piece"

>>32528580

>Yamato's deck was 7.9 inches thick

It was actually more than that. In most places it was 8 inches thick but areas covering machinery or ammunition were 9 inches thick.

>no bombs dropped by the US could penetrate that thick of plate.

An odd claim considering that the ship was sunk by airplanes.

>>32528662

This is the final resting place of the Musashi. I'm kind of surprised that there aren't better pictures but there it is. But lifting up a 65,000 ton (standard displacement) battleship would be essentially impossible. And if it did occur, I think most of the "butt-hurt" would come from Japanese families who lost people on the ship. These boats had a crew well over 2000. That's a lot of corpses to sort through, and I imagine most people wouldn't want to see their granddad as a decayed sack of flesh.

File: ijn-musashi-nichimo.jpg (20KB, 520x390px) Image search: [Google]

20KB, 520x390px

>>32529068

Here is the pick, sorry.

>>32529004
sunk by 10 torpedo hits the bombs likely did zero damage

File: IMG_0011.png (451KB, 872x804px) Image search: [Google]

451KB, 872x804px

>>32506148
>Japanese leaders hand command over the Yamato to a man that despises them
>said man runs everything according to plan
>Taffy 3 ferociously launches an all out suicide counter attack
>said man, with 100x's the firepower of Taffy 3, sits in his command bridge for a couple of hours acting like Doom Paul because he has no idea he's actually not fighting a real American battlegroup
>eventually he gives up and goes home, leaving his other battlegroups to die for nothing

Then again, the Japanese leaders did have their heads so far up their asses at that point in the war, it shouldn't have been surprising that some of their commanders would give up on them

File: 1476895950544.png (182KB, 490x299px) Image search: [Google]

182KB, 490x299px

>>32506419
>all this fancy talk
>nobody mentions that the Yamato's AA guns couldn't aim high or low enough to shoot aircraft

>>32529590

The Doom Paul metaphor amuses me if though I don't fully understand it. Did he just freeze up and stop giving orders or something? Was he really so naïve that he didn't think he would actually have to fight?

>>32522390
Your hotel is a rusting grave yard on the bottom of the ocean and is a testament to the delusion of the imperial Japanese mindset.

The fact is that they were delusional ever thinking they could take on the united states of America and win. Although I do thank them as with out their attack America wouldn't have become the dominant super power it is today.

>>32529068

I wouldn't even expect to find skeletons after this long. It's the sea, after all.

File: dbc.gif (121KB, 600x600px) Image search: [Google]

121KB, 600x600px

>>32529862

It's not worth the risk.

>>32529890
don't worry the ocean has organisms whos specialty niche is eating bones... They are worms and they bore through it and extract the minerals you can find them feasting on dead whales and so forth.

>>32522431
The Yamato wouldn't be able to catch up to an Iowa. Furthermore, the Iowa would be the first ship to score a hit on its opponent. The Iowas would then close in on the crippled Yamato and obliterate her.

File: shin_godzilla_beam-1200x675.jpg (54KB, 960x539px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 960x539px

>>32528386
>>32528662
>Desecrating the watery grave of war Japs

DO YOU WANT ANGRY KAIJU? CUZ THATS HOW YOU GET ANGRY KAIJU,

THE LAST ONE WAS STARTING TO SPAWN SKELETONS OUT OF ITS TAIL! DO YOU NIGGERS WANT TO DEAL WITH AN ARMY OF GODZILLA SKELLINGTONS JUST TO HELP BATTLESHIPFAG MASTURBATE?

>>32530080
>not waning the iowa and a raised yamato to remove kaiju side by side

do you even like fun

>>32530103
Spotted the skeleton

>>32530111
fuck man, if i can see that happening, i'll happily be a skelliton

>>32529971
So now we have HAUNTED JAP SKELETON WORMS

Even better

>>32512129
>2 aircraft on the back of a battleship

How did they take off?

File: file.png (160KB, 458x304px) Image search: [Google]

160KB, 458x304px

>>32531080
Like this. The boom thing picked them up out of the water

>>32531111
Oh thanks man, I was confused for a moment there. Also nice quads.

I'm guessing those were mostly for recon?

>>32531143
Yeah, scout planes

>>32519600
>US Radar > IJN visual ranging.
Only in bad weather or night fights.
BVR wasn't used in WW2 and the nips had the best optical FCS. Radar FCS was a fucking meme

>>32531317
>Radar FCS was a fucking meme
He said, from the bottom of the ocean with the rest of the IJN

>>32531403
>having your battleships act as glorified AA platform means that radar FCS isn't a meme
burgers everyone

>>32531428
>Having your entire navy act as submarines means that radar FCS is a meme

File: man-laughing.jpg (127KB, 1000x747px) Image search: [Google]

127KB, 1000x747px

>20mm AA

what did they expect? Japanese must feel so fucking stupid after learning just how much of a disadvantage they were at. lel

>>32528611
Is that why the Japs lost? They ran out of natto?

File: aids-skrillex-real.jpg (97KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

97KB, 1280x720px

Americans = Cowards of military history

1. Runaway from IJN and come back with air cover

2. Run away from Muslims and bomb them from 40,000 ft

Live by cowardice, die by cowardice

American became a nation of cowards

>>32506570
If you ground the ship, it cannot sink.

>>32518142
>Make a surprise attack without declaring war
>Whine about muh war crimes

>>32518222
>What a stupid thing to say.
You really think it's easy to carry around a 5,800 pound artillery shell?

>>32522389
Nationalism is cucked beyond repair.

>>32526579
When the ship is run aground and not going anywhere, you don't need to be accurate.


>>32529129
Why couldn't they built it to be as resistant to torpedoes as it was to bombs?

>>32529857
They would have had a chance at winning if they'd managed to take out the carriers in their surprise attack. They knew America was in a superior position and could only be defeated if they made the most of their one chance. They gambled, and they lost.

>>32531572
>Fight the enemy, man to man!

>I'll just continue being shit at the comfort of my house

I wonder why I serve sometimes

>>32531572

>He says from behind his computer, not noting his country of origin.

>>32531572
why dont you go to war and stand out in the open with your big brass balls, shit you can stand infront of me where its safe. id be fuckin honored

>>32531572
say that to my face and not online, fucker.

>>32517148
But u.s soldiers don't rape there civilized. Good rp anon.

>>32531572
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch?

>>32531572
Didn't most of the higher ranked nippers kill themselves instead of continue to fight? How is that not being a coward.

And how is a Muslim not a coward when they remote detonate bombs and then run away?

>>32522431
>>32523601
>>32525483
Iowa's radar directed guns and superior speed can let her kite the fuck out of Yamamoto at a ranges where Yamamoto can't hit the Iowa except from lucky blind fire, but the Iowa's guns are still able to pen the Yamamoto's armor everywhere but the turret face.

You dial those two ships into CMANO, and unless you spawn them at knife fight range or with the Yamamoto in the throat of the Iowa's harbor, the Yamamoto's first indication that the Iowa exists is when the Iowa's opening salvo scores at least two hits, and then the Iowa controls the parameters of the engagement until the Yamamoto is scrap.

>>32525836
yes

>>32531588
If we had lost every carrier in the pacific theater at Midway (they weren't even all there), we'd still have had more carriers in the Pacific than the Japanese by the end of the year. Japan stuck their collective cock in a light socket when they let the Army bully their government into telling the Navy to capture the Dutch East Indies over the resources needed to support their Mainland campaign.

That the Navy decided to go about this by kicking sand in America's eye first is incomprehensible to anyone with any understanding of the precepts of industrialized war.

>>32526579
with the Norden, a B-29 is as accurate as any other bomber

>>32518142
>war crimes
>what is Nanjing

>>32506678
>They were just trying to hold out in hopes of negotiating favorable terms of surrender
"surrender" wasn't in the Japanese dictionary.

>>32532077
He's pretty much right though. Their objective from day 1 was to hit America hard enough to convince them to sit down together and get favorable peace terms. They knew from the start that they wouldn't win an outright victory, but their objective was to make the cost of an American victory high enough that we wouldn't go through with it.

>>32532077
Their whole goal of the war was for them to capture enough ground to not have to give all of it back at the peace table. The problem for them was that they didn't hurt us bad enough fast enough to bring us to the peace table, and we weren't interested in leaving them with anything.

For that matter, they tried to surrender everything but the home islands the week before Hiroshima, but refused to let us occupy the home islands and depose their government until after Nagasaki.

Some folks will argue that it was threat of soviet invasion that did it, but that's disingenuous, the Soviets didn't have enough sea lift in theater to actually pose a threat to the home islands.

>>32532166
They certainly threatened their puppet state Manchuria

>>32529650
What, 90 degrees is too low?

>>32532021
So just as accurate as a B-17, B-24 or B-25. Which were pretty bad at bombing ships from altitude, it turned out.
You can always fill the sky with 100 B-29's each loaded with 20 000 pounds of bombs and something is bound to hit a ship in the end, but its no-where as good and accurate as a divebomber

>>32531588
Yamato like iowa and most battleships was flawed in design against torpedo's. it turns out torps really fuck up ships pad because muh iuncompressability of water. iowa couldn't resist long lances or the shorter sub launched variants. or the 350kg warheaded bilge busters dropped by bettys

File: dasboot31.jpg (33KB, 500x287px) Image search: [Google]

33KB, 500x287px

>>32506434
>The Bismarck actually tried to surrender but the electronic communications were knocked out. They then tried flagging and flashing their surrender, but the allied ships ignored them.

start shit, get hit

war doesn't stop just because you're not having fun, hanz

>>32532184
The terms proposed before Hiroshima included withdrawal from Manchuria.

US insisted on occupation of home islands and no immunity for government, which the Japanese did not accept until after Nagasaki.

>>32506434
>>32532427
>>not taking the bismarck as a war prize and convert it for suage.

The british had the control of both the sea and the air. They should have tow the bismarck back as a war prize and use it.

>>32532474

I doubt the Germans would have let them Scapaflow and all that.

>>32529849
It's more like the night before he had had his previous flagship shot out from under him.

He had already watched Musashi go down simply to aircraft and subs the previous day and he was most likely expecting more American Aircraft to rain from the sky any second.

>>32532061
>also what is unit 731

>>32513411
>opens cockpit
>fires sidearm at the most heavily armored Jap ship
>fuck the nips

>>32533095
> muh 6 million

>>32531111
god i fucking love floatplanes.
i have a 1/72 kingfisher and catalina that im saving until im not utter shit at painting.

File: West,+Tyler+-+flying+boat.jpg (143KB, 1178x736px) Image search: [Google]

143KB, 1178x736px

>>32533288
float planes a cute

File: Royal_Air_Force_Coastal_Command,_1939-1945._CH8570.jpg (59KB, 599x800px) Image search: [Google]

59KB, 599x800px

>>32533293
I've always loved the Short Sunderland. It just looks comfy as all fuck and is arguably one of the greatest aircraft of the entire war.

>>32506148
Better death than the Vittorio Veneto
Why did they have to kill her?

>>32527079
>3in deck
What?
It is 1.5" + 5" + 0.5" (1" over magazines).

>>32528480
Wtf are you talking about. Iowa's 307mm sections of belt was made of Class A

>>32531317
Tell that to Scharnhordt who couldn't hit shit after Belfast knocked out her radar

>>32506444
We wuz Avatars and sheeit

File: modernized_hms_st__andrews_by_tzoli-d758ws2.png (210KB, 2300x1026px) Image search: [Google]

210KB, 2300x1026px

>>32518264
>The N3's

Muh dick. The greatest warships that never were. Completely and utterly a e s t h e t i c in a way that no other battleship, real or imagined, ever was.

>>32518876
The only reason why the N3 never sailed was because of Uncle Sam trying to cuck the British Empire because the USN wasn't able to design a proper capital ship until 1935 and got salty about the Brits and their superior hardware.

>>32526700
You realize even radar directed USN BB shells found their targets less than 2% of the time in battle right? Statistically, every hit was a "lucky shot" during the war.

>>32533449
God damn Float planes are too much comfy.

File: Musa.jpg (599KB, 1279x720px) Image search: [Google]

599KB, 1279x720px

>>32528662
Sorry to burst your bubble, both ships are literal piles of rust right now, thanks to magazine explosions at the time of their sinking ( they didn't go down quietly ) here's a sonar scan of Musashi

File: Yamato-Wreck.jpg (54KB, 800x384px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 800x384px

>>32534077
Here's a diagram of Yamato, I think it's been updated since then, upshot is she isn't in much better shape.

File: hello darkness my old friend.jpg (26KB, 1045x352px) Image search: [Google]

26KB, 1045x352px

>>32534077
both had magazine detonations? huh, thought only one did

well, at least they went down swinging i guess

thanks for the input anyway

File: 5aFZ3hd.jpg (995KB, 4505x4325px) Image search: [Google]

995KB, 4505x4325px

>>32534093
Yamato went kaboom while still afloat but Musashi detonated underwater, which is why her debris field is so large. Even back then some of her survivors reported hearing the explosions but the state of the wreck was still uncertain until it was found.

File: WNJAP_18-45_t94_Musashi_Firing_pic.jpg (93KB, 800x441px) Image search: [Google]

93KB, 800x441px

>>32517880
one way the 18-inchers could be argued as impractical is that is created excessive muzzle blast when firing. All AA stations across the ship had to be protected just so the crews could withstand the blast, and of course the bridge was especially exposed to it. It didn't seem to affect the accuracy of the shots though so there's that.

>>32519138
Not 13, anon.

They only got 10.

>>32534116
what makes that kind of explosion. Magazine detonation?

>>32517880
16 inch guns were the largest the washington naval treaty allowed. There would easily have been 20 inch bbs floating around by ww2 if not for the treaty.

yamato had 18 inch in violation of the treaty just like they made dds and cas which violated the treaty terms.

Everyone else had 16 because capital ships tend to evolve slower than smaller disposable ships and by the time the treaty expired people were still used to 14-16 inch guns and so thats what they used, phasing the smaller ones out as time went on but then BBs stopped being a thing before anyone could be assed to move beyond 16.

Im sure we would have 25 inch autoloading guns with a rate of fire of 5rpgpm today, at least, if we kept at it.

File: 800 people die in this video.webm (2MB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1280x720px

>>32534190
Yep. Battleships tend to do that.

>>32534223
Jesus! I wonder how many limbs went flying in the blast.

>>32534552
14 year old detected.

File: __maru_yu_and_yamato_kantai_collection_drawn_by_oomori_kswmr__273f4211513c774cb4645b4d15ac7ebe.jpg (202KB, 600x700px) Image search: [Google]

202KB, 600x700px

>>32529857
wow rude

please apologize to the QT Hotel.

>>32532474
>>32525324

The British didn't have control of that airspace, they were expecting enemy bombers to show up anytime because they were within air range of France. And they were less than an hour away from running so low on fuel they wouldn't make it home. That's why they blasted the Bismark to shit so expeditiously. They literally had a few minutes to magdump into her and turn around and go home.

Churchill actually announced to Parliament that they had only disabled the Bismark and left her in flames, and a minute later got the happy news that they had managed to sink her.

File: shropshire firing 21 inch torpedo.png (175KB, 800x607px) Image search: [Google]

175KB, 800x607px

>>32536640

if I remember correctly didn't the battleships run low on shells and Bunker C forcing them break off before Bismarck was sunk?

the destroyers and cruisers were left to sink Bismarck with close range torpedo spreads

>>32525324
>Rodney fired 340 16-inch shells
Jesus Christ.

>>32536898
thats correct yes...it was the torps combined with the germans scuttling it that finally sunk the floating pillbox that was the bismarck

>>32534577
There was an account of someone who survived that who said that limbs were literally flung in every direction, and he specifically mentioned that some guys half-of-a-head landed right next to him.

>>32517003
>Yamato killed an escort carrier

I'm not sure sinking a CVE should even count, those things went down if you gave them a mean look.

File: AA.jpg (332KB, 1501x573px) Image search: [Google]

332KB, 1501x573px

Why were Americans so based at shooting down planes? Was it necessity seeing as our ships were fighting against guided missiles in the form of kamikazis?

File: navy-twin-5inch-gun-mount-cutaway.jpg (74KB, 800x830px) Image search: [Google]

74KB, 800x830px

Best Naval Gun of WWII

>prove me wrong
>protip: You can't

>>32537075

5DP was the BBC of ww2

>all those kamikazis getting cucked out of their bushido code

>>32506148

Japans only hope was keeping the US out of the war and using their naval assets to try to force Britain to the peace table. Whether seizing the Suez Canal or getting it their Navy into the Atlantic was logistically viable is another question entirely.

>>32537072
At first because they had a huge amount of advanced AA on their ships
later because the Jap air force had been bled dry and were throwing rookies at US naval groups

>>32537072
They had the tech to back it up, and Pearl Harbor showed them that the real threat to ships was air power. The combination of radar-guided AA, 5-inch dual purpose guns and proximity fuzed ammo just completely wrecked the Japanese air force.

>>32506449
/r/alternativelifestyles

>>32537058
So did Japanese fleet carriers yet we count them.

>>32537853
Escort carriers were literally just cargo ships with flight decks bolted on top. They were in no way meant to be a proper warship, much less compete with purpose built fleet carriers.

>>32537423
>radar-guided AA, 5-inch dual purpose guns and proximity fuzed ammo
How effective were they, exactly? I assume there's some sort of study available that tells us.

Also: wasn't the proximity fuzed ammo of the era dependent on the target being illuminated by a Doppler radar? I don't mean the old fashioned altitude-fuzed kind; I mean the kind we used to wreck shit in the Pacific.

>>32537886
The Casablanca-class was not a conversion but purpose-built carriers.

>>32537940
Look at the picture in >>32537072. The throw weight alone should tell you what kind of firepower Japanese pilots had to brave to get close to an American ship.

5-inch guns were also far more effective at knocking planes out of the air, especially kamikazes who won't necessarily be stopped by 20mm or 40mm shells.

As for the proximity fuzes, the earlier ones did need a doppler radar to measure the range of the target, which the operator could immediately transmit to the shell, which was still a HUGE improvement over the gunners having to manually set them based on guesswork. However, later proximity fuses basically had their own radio transmitters, which triggered when the fuze sensed it was near something that was bouncing its radio waves back. That meant gunners just had to fire in the general direction of an aircraft, which was made easier since all American naval AA was radar-guided.

>>32537976
Yes, but the Casablancas were still never meant to be put into actual fleet engagements. They were not nearly as large, fast, or well armored as a full size fleet carrier.

It would be like the Japanese sinking a PT boat and claiming they nailed a destroyer.

>>32537940

>How effective were they, exactly?

It took ~100 rounds fired to actually down an aircraft, but that's still far better than other anti-aircraft systems during the time.

>>32537940
Before they had radar guided AA and proximity fuzes, the British could only manage a 17% interception rate against V-1 bombs. After they got both, the interception rate jumped as high as 82%.

File: 1483060086971.jpg (778KB, 1303x1507px) Image search: [Google]

778KB, 1303x1507px

>>32512129
>The Japanese leadership was perfectly willing to surrender so long as they were allowed to do so under conditions that were favorable to them. They wanted amnesty for war crimes, and maybe an agreement that would allow them to keep some extra land.

Maybe I shouldn't be swinging around comments this late at night, but I'm pretty sure their main thought for most of the end game was a cease fire peace treaty. Practically the same as a favorable surrender, but I'm mostly just nitpicking on the phrasing.

I don't think a rule book surrender is on the menu when you are training school girls how to use bamboo spears because you ran out of able bodied soldiers and functioning rifles.

>>32529849
He never wanted to be there in the first place because he despised the Japanese leadership, and after ferociously being attacked by Taffy 3, he thought the real American navy and Air Force would show up at any second and exterminate him

Instead of pushing forward and going out in a blaze of glory, he gave up to keep his men alive, at the cost of the other two battlegroups though

File: Bismark class.jpg (207KB, 653x405px) Image search: [Google]

207KB, 653x405px

>>32506148

I know that feel, mein freund

>>32515734
Anon, the vast majority of battleships in WWII were relics from WW1. Seriously, the Hood was no older than most battleships when she was sunk.

>>32527316
>they tried in the 70's and they couldn't break 29knts

It's amazing that they could go that fast with ~40 year old engines.

File: Yoizuki.jpg (274KB, 1199x1419px) Image search: [Google]

274KB, 1199x1419px

>>32537075
Too slow projectile velocity desu. Give pic related some proximity fuzes and you have the best of both worlds.

>>32529849
Kurita knew Japan had already lost the war by this point, so he just decided engaging what he perceived as a fleet of carriers and battleships and sacrifice another thousands of men just to save face simply wasn't worth it, with reason.

>>32522389
It's all the Chinese's fault. Nuke those commies to oblivion.

>>32530080
Christmas tree, O' Christmas tree

>>32541611

Early VT fuses were huge and fragile, they took up a significant amount of the shell's capacity.

Even being shot relatively slow out of a 5"/38, they still had significant (>15%) dud rates.

Throw them out of a 900m/s barrel and you are going to have duds out the ass.

File: qreW7PD.jpg (318KB, 1450x854px) Image search: [Google]

318KB, 1450x854px

>>32541815
did someone say christmas trees

>>32525324

Fucking nuts. Bismarck was a beast. RIP to the crew.

File: kancolle___fusou_by_kikuzunooka-d85pmu0.jpg (143KB, 1024x1200px) Image search: [Google]

143KB, 1024x1200px

>>32542067

>>32536636
Nope still note apologizing to the stupid ship.
It was designed with an outdated philosophy that ships needed guns to be powerful.. Luckily when the Japanese bombed pearl harbor it destroyed most of our Battle ship fleet allowing us to rebuild and restructure our navy.

Face it the yammamoto was an outdated pile of crap that suffered from low velocity and Rof anti aircraft guns and had no radar range finder or fire control director and no VT shells.

IT was DESTINED TO FAIL.

>>32506148
>>32506168
>>32506400
>>32506304
>>32506629 >>32512129
>>32506678
>>32516935
>>32516990
>>32517681
>>32517880
>>32518704
>>32522431
>>32525324

>>32526443
>>32526534
>>32537940
>>32542785
>>32532009
>>32534205
>>32538408

Gomenasai, my name is Iowa-sama

I’m a 74 year old American Senkan (Battleship for you gaijins). I draw Anime and Manga on my tablet, and spend my days perfecting my art and playing superior Japanese games. (Disgaea, Final Fantasy, Persona series)

I train with my 46cm guns every day, this superior weapon can punch clean through steel because it is folded over a thousand times, and is vastly superior to any other weapon on earth. I broke the Washington Naval Treaty two years ago, and I have been getting better every day.

I speak Japanese fluently, both Kanji and the Osaka dialect, and I write fluently as well. I know everything about Japanese history and their bushido code, which I follow 100%

When I get my Japanese visa, I am moving to Yokosuka to attend a prestigious Naval School to learn more about their magnificent culture. I hope I can become flagship for the combined fleet or an offshore battery!

I own several kimonos, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to Japan, so I can fit in easier. I bow to my elders and seniors and speak Japanese as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.

Wish me luck in Japan!

File: LSC.png (1MB, 1400x1000px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1400x1000px

>>32542785
Is there any reason to be so mad at the QT Hotel?

>>32542857
Hello from America,
We would like to introduce you to some of our fine aerial products such as the f6f hellcat the f4u corsair , the Sb 2c hell diver and finally the TBF avenger.
They all are very eager to meet you and your crew. They even brought presents although they aren't telling.

Not to mention their big brothers the B 17 cant wait to tour Japanese cities especially Hiroshima and Nagasaki .

with love
America.

>>32542907
Well mainly that it served as a death trap for 2000 plus Japanese sailors and was a monumental waste of resources that literally would have been better spent feeding American POW's.

>>32542932
You know instead of I don't know letting the prison guards fucking execute and eat Americans.
Seriously japan feed your fucking troops.

File: Moetel.png (53KB, 300x200px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 300x200px

>>32542932
>>32542948
Now now Anon, is that any way to talk about someone as QT as this?

>>32542922
>B 17 cant wait to tour Japanese cities especially Hiroshima and Nagasaki .

not B-29? you need to kill yourself. You don't deserve to talk about history

>>32542959
Yes yes it is...
Its the same way I talk about the Maus and tiger series and other idiotic weapons .

File: 3760708i.jpg (132KB, 429x600px) Image search: [Google]

132KB, 429x600px

>>32542986
Wow you sure are rude to the QT Hotel.

>>32506459
>Battle off Samar
Nigga that's the best battle of the entire pacific.

>>32542997
Nah man I'm just angry and I need a Ship to hate right now..
And the yammato fits the bill perfectly.

File: Battleship_Study_-_BB65_-_Scheme_4_-_(1940_Studies).jpg (657KB, 3000x1575px) Image search: [Google]

657KB, 3000x1575px

>>32542932
Keep in mind the USN came incredibly close to building equally wasteful slow BBs. Before late 1941 very few people had any idea the type would be this useless.

>>32543051
The thought that we almost built that horrifies me .

That type of strategic resource waste could lose a nation the war.

>>32542997
I'm sorry anon I have been so mean about your choice of ship. I shall leave now.

Just a quick reminder that Iowa is just sitting at port being completely useless while Yamato is getting another Space Battleship Yamato movie next month.

File: richelieu_pic.jpg (26KB, 784x366px) Image search: [Google]

26KB, 784x366px

>>32506148
>I wish the Yamato battleship had gone in a blaze of glory, instead of being done in by a flurry of airplanes

Boo -fucking- hoo.

>>32506551
it would have been quite the nice shore battery against the ships of the landing force.

>>32528580
>japanese pig iron made from other countries scrap metal.

>>32532474
>use it

For what? Scraps? It would have been a pile of rusting steel at scapa flow until 1947 and then turned into a morris minor.

File: scharnhorst_main_page[1].jpg (38KB, 750x294px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 750x294px

>>32544322

>Richelieu

Aesthetic

The only better botes are Scharnhorst/Gneisenau

>>32532474
The brits did take a japanese heavy cruiser (Takao class)

They just scrapped it because lol metal

File: IAOZZeH.jpg (68KB, 799x569px) Image search: [Google]

68KB, 799x569px

>>32544569
They sank it actually. Better way out than what they did to their own warships if you ask me.

Ok let vote idea.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12033650/r

File: USS_Darter.jpg (67KB, 600x468px) Image search: [Google]

67KB, 600x468px

>>32544569
>>32544686
Takao was heavily damaged by USS Darter, I'd imagine that thing was in shit shape when they got their hands on it.

https://youtu.be/qvN30u1LsVA

>>32541257
Isn't that the exact outcome that Bismark got?

Except instead of raiding a bunch of unarmed merchant ships and destroyers like it was supposed to, the Bismark was systematically dismantled above the waterline by superior English battleships after being crippled by a single torpedo hit from a slow-ass biplane that the Bismark couldn't have shot down even if the North Atlantic waters were perfectly calm? And those biplanes only caught up because the Prince of Wales put a round through the gas tank, causing it to need to sail slowly to save fuel.

Maybe Bismark would have been able to do more than light damage to a light cruiser that killed a grand total of three sailors through the battle if Bismark had an FCS that was worth a damn. But she didn't.

It only took a half hour before the Bismark's ability to fight was reduced to that of a cruise ship.

The Bismark was a meme just like the Yamato. I just wish it could have faced the North Carolina class, which would have absolutely wrecked it.

>>32541611

Except they could only fire 350 to 400 shells before they needed to be replaced.

>>32545305
Okay kid.

>>32506148
I mean, she got the "blazing" part right

>>32513411
Holy fucking shit the balls on that guy

File: Screenshot_20170105-135050.png (344KB, 1440x2560px) Image search: [Google]

344KB, 1440x2560px

>Hey Sheppu, are those american pla-
>BOOONNNNGGGGGG

>>32526700

>t butthurt bong

>>32533449

>the want is TOO DAMN HIGH

>>32534223

What ship?

>>32547639

I think that was actually an ammunition ship (AE). Hence the large bang.

>>32547639
HMS Barham

File: aX6CW1I.jpg (147KB, 1100x755px) Image search: [Google]

147KB, 1100x755px

>>32531317
Go read Neptune's inferno. US radar fire control by 1942 was getting so good that experienced operators could tell when their shells hit by the "shutter" of the enemy ship on the radar screen. "

The beginning of the war was a cluster for the US navy's surface forces because the captains in charge had no idea how to use this new fangled equipment and would straight up ignore it preferring to do it the old fashioned way. It took quite a few sunk cruisers and destroyers (and dead incompetent captains) for them to get their heads out there asses. After they did the USN owned gunnery duels for the rest of the war.

>>32547063
>Aircraft from the carriers of Taffy 1, 2, and 3, including FM-2 Wildcats, F6F Hellcats and TBM Avengers, strafed, bombed, torpedoed, rocketed, depth-charged, fired at least one .38 caliber handgun and made numerous "dry" runs at the Japanese force when the American planes ultimately ran out of ammunition.
>at least one .38 caliber handgun
.38 confirmed for anti-ship round

Short vid on Yamato.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYrj3gzXgeA

>>32547672
Ah, no. Not with the big easily noticeable gun turrets on it.

>>32547676
Thanks. What happened to it? Torpedo?

File: 2623451234347569345.jpg (88KB, 1080x720px) Image search: [Google]

88KB, 1080x720px

>>32536898
>>32536964
Let's remember what really finished the Bismarck.

When the Jap Ships capsize, do the Americans perform immediate rescue for any alive and floating? Do the Japs do the same?

>>32549660
Generally I assumed they only took captives of the people that managed to get to their ship

>>32549660

There is surprisingly little literature, academic or otherwise, about the experiences of Japanese POW's during WW2. Japanese soldiers often went to great lengths to avoid being captured because it was seen as particularly disgraceful. As a result, the ones that did get caught rarely wrote any memoirs about their experiences. But in my mind, the answer is no. American sailors would not have gone out of their way to prevent japans from drowning.

File: POW execution.jpg (62KB, 675x840px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 675x840px

>>32549660
>Do the Japs do the same?

you probably wouldn't want to get "rescued" by the IJN even if they did

>>32549828
That's because there were very few Japanese POWs.

They very rarely surrendered, and when they did try to surrender, they were usually shot immediately because the people doing the capturing knew what the Japanese did to prisoners.

>>32544892
Gato class subs were the most dominant non-carrier ships of the war.

>>32549660
The japs "rescued" the enemy by saving them from the sinking wreck and sending them to concentration camps.

File: 1446161181162.webm (3MB, 600x480px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 600x480px

>>32547672
You're thinking of SS John Burke which was also pretty horrifying in its own right. Kamikaze weren't fucking around.

>>32548106
Torpedoed by U-331. It was the only allied Battleship lost by submarine during the war.

>>32513037
http://navy.memorieshop.com/Stories/Lack-of-Oil.html They literally did not have enough fuel left to fight

>>32552056
holy fuck...