AR THREAD AR GENERAL /ARG/ AR THREAD GENERAL AR GENERAL THREAD

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Someone lizerd me a barrel.

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In for pistoless pb

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>>32447970
BA is great, especially with the Hanson profile. Every time I shoot mine, I love it more.

>birthday in February
The similarities continue.

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>>32447937
Put lizerd and pb in there.

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>>32447984
How long do you think that sandwich would last if it were used as a can cover?

>>32447638

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wardens

wardens are btfo

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in. still deciding on an 18 or 16 inch barrel to replace the 14.5

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>>32447937
>giddy's personal list of things he's broken

>>32448010
AP has been having bad QC problems lately, and their customer service is reportedly terrible.

>>32448028
Get an 18.

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>>32448028
18, never replace a 14.5 with 16

the only the lengths that are worth a damn are ~10", ~14", and 18"

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>>32448079
>>32447937
What's wrong with SOPMOD style stocks?

>>32448079

why is the warden on there?

>>32448106
>>32447822
That's a potential problem with every stock that has an exposed adjustment lever, though.

>>32448106
it moves when yo depress the lever

>>32448111
because G-Man said so

>>32448030
I've had a good cs experience form them. What parts are having problems?

>>32448028
Why replace the 14.5 when you could get an 18 to use alongside it?

>>32448009
How long would the entire US military last against some SE Asian farmers :^

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>>32448111

BECAUSE IT WAS BTFO

>>32448136
Uppers, mostly.

>>32448129
I liked your tutorial on lower assembly. I followed it on mine. Thx bb.

>>32448139
because I can afford a $200-$400 barrel. Not a new $800 upper receiver.

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>>32447970
U wot

>>32448008
Are you the guy with a ton of dead family or no?

>>32448129
Someone told me your cosplay outfits are shit and you got laughed at on whatever board does that

Also, are you a t*rk?

>>32448030

Mega Arms for lyfe.

>>32448170
Honestly i'll believe it when I see some real evidence.

>>32448139
Indefinitely; we would've won Vietnam if the lying pinko journalists hadn't convinced everyone that we were losing and forced the chickenshit bureaucrats in Washington to give up and pull out.

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Bondhus confirmed goat toolmaker.

>>32448162
>a ton of dead family
You betcha.

>>32448183

AP probably fell victim to shitting out as much hardware as they could because of Killery. QC is going to suffer.

>>32448129
>All those poverty rollmarks

>>32448160
Fair enough. 16 doesn't do anything 14.5 doesn't do AFAIK, I'm putting down on 18

>>32448208
I'd actually buy a stripped Bushmaster lower for laughs if they weren't so preposterously expensive.

>>32448186
Just memes friend, grandfather is a vet and grandmother was born there

>>32448126
>>32448131
So SOF and agencies like the Secret Service are all stupid for using those stocks because one idiot on YouTube doesn't know how to properly brace/stabilize his rifle?

>>32448241
yes, but they are also stupid for other reasons as well

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>>32448157
channel locks best locks

>>32448162
/cgl/? i dont post on the board i go to the meets at cons though those people are cool

>>32448208
>>32448218
i paid 60 otd for it at a gunshow i love the bushman lower

>>32448208
It's quite comical when you think about that fact that he shits on people for buying PTR's over FAL's for the cost difference.

>>32448241
That seems to be the /k/ groupthink du jour, yeah.

>>32447937
would be nice if you sources or at least brief explanations as to why x is trash if you actually want to put effort and commitment into long term defamation

>>32448250
channel locks are poorfag shit tier lower assembly tools. you want a pliers wrench.

>>32448288
That's not the Giddy Way and you know it.

>>32448288
Not sure why NiB is on there, but everything else is basically because the company is like "we're gonna charge 10x more than what our product is worth because people will pay for our name".

>>32448277
Gibbz needs to be on the list.

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Just finished my first build. How'd I do?

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>>32448189
That sucks m8.

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>>32448028
16" my Geardo friend. If you're looking for a good do all barrel length, 16" recces are hard to beat.

>>32448332
>DD furniture, on purpose
>Troy anything
>>>/trash/

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>>32448332
>pliers wrench.
looks like an 15 so trash

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>>32448302
zoom in, that's not nib

>>32448351
Ooooh yeah, then my original statement definitely stands.

>>32448252
PTR fags really should be publically avoided though.
>doesnt sakuya have a PTR?

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>spent most of last night watching CG shorts and animals getting hit by trains on youtube with /arg/ fags
Best part of Christmas tbqhf.

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>>32448349
return to croatioa.

>>32448360
Nice looking cheese you got there.

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>>32448361
Forgot tripcode
>>32448360
Dump the goatman porn

>>32448360
>cheese from vermont
its probably not even edible

>>32448359
I'd buy a PTR if they made a semi-auto HK21.

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>>32448359
yes i do

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>>32448401
No you wouldnt. It would be expensive and you would cry "But only if it was like $2000, then I would buy it"

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>>32448412

>>32448415
So it would just be another scar17s?

>>32448359
I have a PTR and a FAL, I shoot the PTR more.

>>32448079

16" intermediate gas > 18"

well actually, its not really better, but its not bad.

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>>32448424
Basically.

Look at the complexity of the belt feed mechanism. A US made copy of this runs $4000 alone, nevermind the complexity of the barrel change system.
>>32448412
Git

>>32448415
I'd seriously consider it, at least. PTRs are compatible with select-fire trigger packs, right?

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Why not? If I have the cash, a decent deal, and wanted one?

SCAR OR FUBAR?!?

Give me technical reasons.

It's a *very* AR question, that's outside of what particular goat ass receiver or poorfag version /k/ currently thinks is the shizznits.

>>32448459
do whatever you want

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>>32448443
>>32448424
Forgot photo of the feed autism
>>32448444
Not really, it has a standard blocker shelf as found on basically every non pushpin clone. You could do it but if you have a select fire pack and the ability to convert one you should just build one from scratch and skip PTR.

PTR doesnt have the dies or any of the processes for building 21E parts so they would cost a shitload.
>>32448459
Dont drop it with the stock folded ;^)

>>32448466
>do whatever you want

Sad, Many such cases. They discount their opinion, and lay the blame off on others.

>>32448376
You shut your goddamned cocksucking whore mouth you fucking fag.

>>32448438
Show me a 16" intermediate barrel that weighs less than 1.63 lbs.

>>32448079
>14" worth a damn

Nothing but a wannabe M4 that's stuck with a permanent MD. Mid-length 16" would be better

>>32448480

Perhaps one reasonable reply, or dunno.

>>32448483
pull Bernie Sanders dick out of your mouth Vermont fag. that state should be wiped off the map

Looking from the outside in, why are PTR's hated on so hard?

I understand the FAL has better ergo's, and better build quality if you get a kit-gun (that is done right). But PTR's are built on new parts, for a reasonable price, and seem to have less problems overall than FAL's.

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>>32448459
SCAR is a good budget rifle

>>32448480
OK, in that case PTRs are just another item for the "I could, but why would I?" pile.

>>32448525
nice gun but that light set up is AIDS

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>>32448480
For reference, that feed mechanism has 61 parts. An entire HK91 has 56 parts
>>32448515
Ergos and general balance is a huge portion but its mainly just meme posting. I own both and while the FAL is much easier to work with I would probably carry the HK91 if I had to go fight ayyy lmaos

>>32448515
this is an AR general

that being said if i could i would own ever gun under the sun, but i only have a PTR, and building an AR now

>>32448540
Works, and im not going to spend money on a lights and lasers till I get NODS and can get a MAWL or something similiar

>>32448484
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-16-Mid-Length-Barrel-Stripped-p/bcm-brl-s-mid-16%20bfh.htm

Only 0.12 lbs more. Not >>32448438 but go lift if that's an issue

Can anybody give me pros and cons of adjustable gas blocks

>>32448544
I realize its an ARG, but BRG is full of fags.

>>32448541
That makes more sense. I couldn't tell if it was meme posting, or if it was really an inherently bad design.

>>32448525
>SCAR is a good budget rifle

Nah, a good budget rifle is an S&W M&P Sport II. A SCAR is a wallet buster.

I'm still considering one.

Looking for technical problems that might dissuade me. That's why I'm here.

In context, I'm not after some "Wiggle Defense Custom Pickle Tickler 9000" that has the elebendy custom whatsat.

What's good out of the box.

>>32448559
>pro
adjustable
>con
weight

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I bought a seekins adjustable gas block. How bad did I mess up?

I actually saw today that the Seekins warranty is 10/10. Fix or replace anything for life, like Vortex's warranty.

>>32447937
Raptors were never BTFO.

>>32448563
that tranny with the baby vomit FAL is annoying enough for me to avoid it, thats coming from a ptr owner

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>>32448295
mug niga

>>32448567
You missed the operative word, good.
And compared to an MWS, yes, its a budget rifle
Figure what you want from a rifle, then go from there.

>>32448558
That was my point, though. That's a 16" midlength. Practically all 16 intermediate bbls are 2+ lb stainless jobs designed for 3gun.

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>>32448559
Pros:
>Suppressors
Con:
>Cost and weight if you dont plan to run a can
>>32448295
>>32448591
Fucking tapco makes an ar wrench, there is no excuse to not just buy the multitool and put it on a shelf.
>>32448556
>MAWL
I will not buy this on principal that BEs website is garbage

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>>32448591
>knipex

>>32448578
not as sexy as the slr and the slr has the same warranty

>>32448579

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>>32448578
You should've bought an SLR Sentry. Your gas screw is going to require constant cleaning if you don't want it to seize up.

Is vortex really as shit as everyone says?

>>32448593
>>>32448567(You)
>You missed the operative word, good.
>And compared to an MWS, yes, its a budget rifle
>Figure what you want from a rifle, then go from there.

Are any of the MWS widgets deployed?

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>>32448615
>>32448617
I was actually going to get an SLR, but I couldn't find the set screw version in stock anywhere. I scoured the internet for about 45 minutes and found zilch. I'm impatient and the Seekins is 1/2 the cost, I figured what the heck.

>>32448640
Vortex is 5/5 bretty gud. Best warranty possible, great glass. I haven't used a product of theirs I didn't think was high quality.

>>32448617
slr seizes up too if you don't open and close it all the way after every range trip

>>32448644
Brits used them in Afghanistan, I think NZ has the 5.56 MRP as their standard issue rifle now.

>>32448644
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2011/3/18/britains-l129a1/

>>32448652
I just ordered a spitfire 3x, did I make a mistake?

>>32448666
I've actually never looked through a spitfire, but have been heavily considering one myself. Heard really good things about it.

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>>32448459
Obtain SCAR, admittedly one of the side effects of SCAR ownership is a lust for penis.

>>32448654
Do you know this from experience, or are you speculating or reporting hearsay? The manufacturer claims that the current version has titanium or melonite or something that prevents carbon from sticking and seizing the screw.

Hi /k/, I'll be purchasing my first assault rifle, and I've decided I'd like an FAL. I'll be visiting gun shows and local stores, but are there any online vendors you'd recommend for finding one? I was hoping to find one with some wooden furnishings on the stock, because I'm super vain like that. I'm in the US. Thank you /k/omrades.

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>>32447819

I like OD rifles.

>>32448682
FALs aren't assault rifles.

>>32448672
I have a Primary Arms 5x and from what I can gather they are roughly the same as the spitfire series (minus the warranty). So hopefully its good.

>>32448682
/arg/

fuck off

>>32448665
>>32448656

Hrm, intereresting.

Lewis Machine Tool has been noted.

>>32448673
>Obtain SCAR, admittedly one of the side effects of SCAR ownership is a lust for penis.

That's actually what happens when you spend too much time in >>>/b/, which you clearly have. Good luck with that. Pick out a feminine one, desu.

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>>32448673
What made FN think it would be a good idea to make their competition livery nearly indistinguishable from simunition guns?

>>32448737
Treat every gun as if it is real and loaded anon.

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>>32448691
>>32448162

;)

>>32448028
What belt is that?

>>32448816
The whole point of sim guns is that you can shoot people with them in relative safety. The bright blue coloration is a safety feature so that you can reasonably assume that as long as everyone has a blue gun or BCG then nobody's got a "real" gun. Nobody can tell from across the room whether somebody is pointing a blue USP (sim) or a blue FNX (bullets) at them. It's pointlessly reckless and unsafe.

>>32448831
ur gun is so ugly. i h8 u, and hope u get aids.

>>32448864
FN is dumb

>>32448864
FN doesnt make pistols in FN blue.
They make FNARs and Shotguns, and a one off 16.

And blue has been FNs color for awhile.

>>32448890
>FN doesnt make pistols in FN blue.
That's interesting. Who does?

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>>32448001
You sure we aren't related?

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>>32448946
Hey you have a police trade in USP right?

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>>32448968
Correct

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Ok, so im building a varmint rifle with a hopeful range of 600m- and am torn between a Stretch or a Faxon 18" 1:8.
Which would be best at keeping constant groups with a hpbt?

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>>32448996
USP is love, USP is life.

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>>32448677
i have the gen 4.
i just used oil and heat to free up both of my slr blocks.
i have broken a screw before because it was seized.

>>32448996
How much did you spend? I'm looking to add used USP .40 to the collection for shits and gigs as purely a range toy, but am seeing some pretty wide disparity in price

>>32448934
People with aftermarket finishes

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>>32449012
Word.

>>32449029
I paid $350+ transfer+bgc. I also got two extra mags for $15each.

I've seen some USP45s going for around $450-500 also.

>>32449006
>I <3 Ping Pong
>Child Traffiker
What did she mean by this?

>>32448872
My real rifle is uglier :'( that's a photoshop, friend.

>>32449016
Gay. I guess the only real solution is a Noveske Switchblock or a gun that was desgined with suppressed use in mind, like a SCAR or something.

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>>32448946
At this point we must be, or one of us is a clone.

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what does /arg/ do for work?

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>>32449080
I break into places (banks, water treatment plants, etc) for a living.

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>>32449080
It's obvious.
>>32449077
Well, maybe I'm older. That makes you the clone.

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>>32449072
it only takes 30sec to open and close it all the way after a range session and that will prevent seizing.

you could also get a W.A.R. upper, that works perfectly

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>>32449051
Yeah that's what I'm looking to spend. It really boils down to pissing 180 on a new cummerbund for a PC I don't wear or 350-450 for a USP I won't shoot

>>32449114
what does nuclear/biological/chemical occupational therapy entail

>>32449080
Just finished my undergrad. Trying to do grad school.

>>32448890
They actually do sell the FNS9 in blue in their pro shop. They also sell the SLP MK1 and FN15 in competition blue.

>>32449118
Who is that puerto rican?

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>>32449080
i buy 22lr and resell for a profit at gun shows. i also collect disability

>>32449051
>work at major retailer that sells firearms
>see used USP in .40
>$900
I wonder how much they paid for it.

>>32449131
Fair enough, dare I say sir, thank you for correcting the record.

Is the frame blue too or just the slide?

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>>32449118
Or you could get an upper with holes to vent all the gas blowback out the sides of the receiver.

>>32448028
Get a 20 inch classic. Go with that sexy A2 look

>>32449140
Way too much unless it's Hitler's personal USP .40 that he killed himself with.

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>>32449128
>tfw want to go to school but dont have any money

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>>32449147

>>32449178
Don't fall for the college meme, fall for the welding meme. Learn a trade.

>>32447937
I need some help. Whats an ACOG that won't run me a grand and is more of the poor man's combat optic?

>>32449189
A used ACOG that's old and banged up with depleted tritium but OK glass.

>>32449187
This is their FNX9 in blue, but they also have the FNS9 in limited runs at the pro shop.

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>>32449120
PT makes sure people are able to get around, OT makes sure they're able to take care of themselves, do their jobs, enjoy their hobbies, or take care of others when they get where they're going. Both are needed in the rehab setting.

>>32449119
I'd get the USP if you don't have a .40. It's literally built around it, it's one of the original. 40s, and it'll be the dopest budget gun you can buy. I used mine as a car gun forever.

>>32447937
What's everything on the BTFO list?
Acog's
[Some bolt]
[Knight firearms?]
Raptor Charging handle
[DD?]
SOPMOD stock
5.56 ball ammo

>>32449140
Probably like $450. They usually rip people pretty good, and normies will take whatever the chains offer because they don't know what's going on.

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>>32449080
Nursing someday.

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>>32449188
i took a couple welding classes before and was pretty good but its not my thing

sort of want to do something with Graphic Design & Media Arts

>>32449114
Well shit man, I gotta ask how old are you? Unless that's against your OPSEC.

>>32449265
25 at this very moment.

>>32449216
People have been trying to say the G-SCH is BTFO... all from one idiot on YouTube

>>32449272
Uh oh. I'm 26 right now. You might be the clone Pham.

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>>32449302
My life is a lie

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>>32449178
Trump is going to bring back manufacturing.

>tfw you throw two gas grenades, don your gas mask, then merc a scrub with a bayonet charge.
BF1 is p. good honestly.

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>>32449308
Probably going to buy some Arredondo base plates and springs tonight. I need to get back into shooting my pistols.

>>32448602
Intermediate referring to contour of the barrel? There are definitely options out there in the 28oz range using 4150

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>>32449375
sl-k bro

>>32449409
Intermediate is the gas system. It's in between mid and rifle length and is popular with 3 gun builds with 16" and 17" barrels

>>32449409
Intermediate is a gas tube length developed by Noveske for 18" barrels, longer than midlength but shorter than rifle.
A 16" intermediate is functionally equivalent to a 14.5" midlength or an 18" rifle.

>>32449189
Used TA01 is what you want

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>>32449401
Do it. These no name mag plates work, but they're a bitch to load.
On the bright side, I've got 80 rounds between 4 mags now.

>>32449102
>water treatment plants
for why

>>32449545
Watch your back kiddo
>Waded through chest high brackish water to break in
Worth it

>>32449545
Sounds like security consultant type work.
Imagine the havoc one could create dumping stuff into the water

>>32449496
Appreciate the info

>>32449602
not sure if worth desu

>>32449614
You would need a fuck ton of something to really hurt anything. Real damage would be destroying equipment

>>32449614
>Imagine the havoc one could create dumping stuff into the water
No need to imagine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation

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Post them ammo carrying means.

>>32449653
You like the MOE grip?

>>32449135
I am kind of curious how the new PWS brake with the closed end is compared to the old one with the 4 prongs.

>>32449649
Why not both?
With a good crew, dump a large quantity of some toxic or radioactive compound and trash the system.

>>32449135
So you're a senior citizen?

>>32449721
I expect the compensating function to be unaltered and the flash suppression to be slightly worse, but not by much since the tines were so short.

>>32449726
Have you ever been to a plant? You would get caught instantly and nothing you or a crew could carry would do anything

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http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/19/breaking-usmc-adopted-pmag-gen-m3/
http://popularmilitary.com/marine-corps-signs-exclusive-deal-magpul-left-colorado-protest-gun-laws/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FI7JVGOJj0

I haven't been paying attention and I'm lazy
When/ how did the ACOG and SPOMOD get BTFO?

>>32449819
I hope Magpul furniture becomes available in MCT.
However, given the USMC's track record, adopting PMAGs will turn out to be a terrible idea that the Corps will be rightly mocked for.

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>>32447937

hey ar owners

what are you gonna do when you hear the dreaded click?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt7Zdp2W7eY

do you have a backup VULTURE gun?

no i dont think so

>>32448028
>manlet
>chubby

LEL

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Got the scale open and 0'd, as well as the case trimmer set up and mounted. Maybe this week I'll order the stand for the powder measure and put some money towards finishing this fucking rifle

>>32449846
wonder why my bho didn't work.

>>32449827
I too, would like some explanation for the BTFO list

>>32449131
>>32449202
No they don't sell any blue colored guns.

That is a single gun which has been cerakoted (or gunkoted depending on which forum you read) by its owner, NOT by FN.

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>>32449080
medical things

>>32449819
Back in 2011-12, my command told us to stop using generation 2 Pmags when we were already deployed, because they wouldn't drop free of the M27's that we didn't even bring with us. The irony

>>32449841
>The M3 was selected after several years of US government testing, with 855A1 and other ammunition types. You are welcome to dig those tests up, Aberdeen and Crane conducted them. EPM is present in the testing as are other commercial mags. The USMC is switching to the M3 Window because the M3, window and non-window, went through a ridiculous number of rounds with zero magazine related stoppages. Zero. In several tests. Yes, the M27 especially does not like the combination of 855A1 and the EPM magazine. But...nothing else likes it that much, either. We feed more reliably in all DoD systems tested, and we do less chamber face and feed ramp damage. (We also do the LEAST damage of any mag to chamber face and feed ramp when using 855A1) The M3 also passed all the cold wx, dust, chemical, UV, salt fog, etc. tests. I'd be happy to have a conversation with you to point you in the right direction to get the correct information. USASOC and the rest of SOCOM will be switching officially, too, as part of the recent SEP council.

tl:dr gen3 pmags were the most reliable and did the least wear on rifles

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>>32449846
Great video. 10/10 would nominate him for Secretary of Defense.

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Question, /arg/.

I just took my older bro shooting with his AR (an M&P15) and my AR (a homebuild).

I found out that his mags are rather difficult to seat in his rifle, even with an open bolt. After we swapped our uppers to narrow down the issue, we isolated the problem down to his upper (the hard-insertion still occurring even with an open bolt). So with my upper, on an open bolt with an empty mag you can seat the mag with one finger and light pressure, whereas with the same empty mag with my older bro's upper you need to slap it rather violently on an open bolt to get it to seat.

The question is, what issues specifically related to an upper alone could be causing a difficult mag insertion?

>>32449908
>gen2

that is why, they are also the ones that have feed lip issues from long term storage

>>32449918
Who cares? Just send it to S&W and have them unfuck it. It has a warranty, doesn't it? That's literally the only reason to buy an AR instead of building it yourself, after all.

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>>32449678

you mean the mvg?

it isn't the most aesthetically pleasing and feels like cheap crap, but it works for dat thumb break

>>32449937

He bought it right before Sandy Vagina, if I recall. I just wonder if it's still under any sort of warranty, I gotta check S&W's warranty policy.

>>32449977
just give them a call and see what they say

>>32448001
AR Performance > BA

>>32449924
>that is why

No, the issue was the M27's non standard magwell. We had stored gen 2 PMAG's for months during a MEU and never ran into any such issues.

>inb4 muh anecdote

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>>32449995

>>32450020
http://ar15performance.com/5_56_223_wylde

Same price point, better barrels.

>>32450033
Worse price point, no one has heard of them.

>>32449977
I've heard S&W customer service is really good.
Can't hurt to try.

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>>32450002
By Magpul's account, it takes about 3 years for permanent feed lip deformation to set in (if the spine hasn't cracked by then). The magazines still function, but bow outwards at the feed lips, becoming less likely to drop free.

No, plastic deformation happens right out of a new wrapper. The magazine spring pushes rounds up into the feed lips, and the feed lips deform outwards, which makes mags stick. Even empty most of mine would not drop free.
inb4 out of spec lower straw man

>>32450033
>that website
>no sub moa guarantee
dropped

>>32450033
do they have the moa guarantee

>>32450033
-not better enough for you to notice unless you're benchresting
-doesn't come with a gas block, pinned or otherwise
-some of their barrels have .308 threads for reasons that are probably either bullshit or meaningless to most shooters

>>32449080
I build benchrest rifles for a private gun club, and mount/boresight rifle scopes for retarded fudds.

Also retirement pension.

Also also occasionally teach skeet clinics, though that's more to maintain my certs.

>>32450082
>pension
how long did you work

>>32450050
By Magpul's account you mean what they actually say in a publicly released internal memo?

>There is a common misconception that the dust/impact cover supplied with most PMAG products is in some way required to prevent feed lip creep or spread over time. This is not the case. When initially loaded, the PMAG GEN M3, and all PMAGs in the current lineup, exhibit a tiny normalization of feed lip geometry within a very small window of time measured in days, and then this geometry then remains stable over many years, heat cycles, cooling cycles, and outdoor UV and weather exposure. We routinely load magazines and place them into stable indoor, hot, cold, and outdoor exposure storage to monitor various batches of material. These magazines are occasionally function tested and reloaded with no issues.

>As implied by the name, the dust and impact cover is indeed designed to keep debris out of magazines during storage, and to provide an extra measure of feed lip protection for magazines in storage, such as stuffed in an ammo can in a tactical vehicle used in off road operations, or for aerial delivery, kicking containers of loaded mags off of moving vehicles, and the like. This ensures that magazines that may normally be out of sight, not maintained, or subjected to delivery handling that is many, many times the normal testing and usage criteria will perform flawlessly after a quick flick to remove the cover.

>>32448525
Is that a monolithic upper?

>>32450090
24 years

>>32450108
>Testing These Criteria

>Absolute reliability can be tested according to relatively established protocols and fixture firing. Testing rough handling, drop, and impact characteristics from full weapon or magazine drops or abuse, when considering the true purpose of such testing, has to include firing and not merely visual inspection. Although incredibly resistant to damage, due to the aforementioned resilience quality, the PMAG GEN M3 is designed and manufactured to function correctly even if damage occurs. Part of our internal testing protocol is to damage magazines through extreme rough handling and fixtures designed for the purpose, and then evaluate function. If a PMAG retains rounds, and even if it is deliberately split enough to not retain rounds, but is forcibly held together long enough to be loaded and inserted into the mag well, it will feed.

>We routinely endurance test individual PMAGs to 200 times loaded capacity. So, an individual 30 round 5.56 magazine must survive 6,000 rounds in a single rifle with no cleaning but routine lubrication. Magazines are completely serviceable after this testing. Additional testing protocols test two magazines to 3600 rounds each with numerous magazine swaps and field firing orientations for usability, catch durability, and “magazine monopod” performance evaluations.

>We have Thermotrons for cold-soaking to -60F and heating to +180F for drop and function testing. We fixture and trigger release our drops onto polished concrete for repeatable impacts to evaluate all axes of drop testing, dropping the same magazine up to 16 times to test durability at room temperature and at extremes. We do multi-axis full weapon drops at room temperature, -60F, and +180F. We do function testing on these magazines after the drops.

>>32449772
>You would get caught instantly
Ive got some news for you

>>32450127
nice

>>32450053
>>32450054
You two are autistic. The MOA guarantees only apply with $1+/round ammo. Most of you fuck's won't pay more than 30-40cpr and can't shoot that good anyway.
>>32450040
Some people go to forums other than a Nigerian food eating board. They both sell in the $185 dollar range.
>>32450070
>-not better enough for you to notice unless you're benchresting
Same price point so why not? By your reasoning nobody should buy a Krieger, Bartlein or Compass Lake engineering either.
>-doesn't come with a gas block, pinned or otherwise
Neither do BA barrels. Stop being a pussy and do your own gas block.
>-some of their barrels have .308 threads for reasons that are probably either bullshit or meaningless to most shooters
Heaven forbid a company offers a product with something.

>>32450144
So?
Why not get that if you can?

>>32450144
>Neither do BA barrels.
Wrong.

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>>32450144
>The MOA guarantees only apply with $1+/round ammo.

>>32450134
do tell. ive been to my fair share of plants and every single one of them has a great camera system, 99% of them are manned 24hrs, and the system alarms will go off if the process is fucked with

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>>32450144
>Most of you fuck's won't pay more than 30-40cpr and can't shoot that good anyway.
>Neither do BA barrels
i kept reading and you got even more retarded

>>32450108
>exhibit a tiny normalization of feed lip geometry within a very small window of time measured in days, and then this geometry then remains stable over many years
>over many years
>years
What do you suppose happens after that "stable" period of "many years?"

>>32450199
Magpul releases a new generation of PMAGs and you replace all your magazines and some sucker on gunbroker has to deal with whatever happens to a PMAG at the end of its service life.

Been in the means of purchasing my first AR, and I have been saving up, but I would like to ask for some assistance.

I have built models and computers, so I am not a complete dumbass when it comes to building things and all, but I know an AR is a whole different entity.

So far for my budget it has come down to this...

Ruger 556 or SW MP Sport 2 (sometimes I find good deals on gunbroker)

I would assume these 2 would be the good or smart buys, any pros and cons of either, better warranty or customer service?

My other options that are budget friendly.

DPMS Oracle

Radical Firearms FGS 12 (sorry if I got the wrong, but their AR15 that is like 499.)

ATI

Anderson M15

This would be a casual and hog rifle, so I hope to have some guidance to what would be better purchase for myself.

>>32450171
>do tell. ive been to my fair share of plants and every single one of them has a great camera system, 99% of them are manned 24hrs, and the system alarms will go off if the process is fucked with
I cant tell you exactly where because clients but we got in from both a physical and cyber aspect and had control of pretty much everything.

Government, Military and Civilian critical infrastructure is terrible in every possible way
>be inside a water treatment plant for a major city
>Shiggity diggity over to the airgapped SCADA machine
>Start poking at it
>Find a suspicious file on computer
>server.exe
>Its a program that steals diablo 2 CD keys that is attachedto a diablo 2 bot
>someone has been plugging USB drives into the airgapped SCADA pc to play diablo2

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>>32450144
ar performance marketing team pls go

>>32450144
>doesn't come with a gas block, pinned or otherwise
The Hanson profiles do.

If they made a 14.5 I'd really look into them. Also, if I decide on turning my 20" bushmaster into a worthwhile 18" SPR I'll give them a look.

>>32450224
>I know an AR is a whole different entity.
It's really not. Putting a functional AR together is way easier than a computer.

>>32448008
What optic is that?

>>32450224
http://aeroprecisionusa.com/aero-ac15-mid-length-complete-rifle.html

>>32450237
Oh I guess that's good, I didn't want to come off as ignorant or pompous.

>>32450222
Dunno m8, I've been using the shit out of gen2's since pretty much they first came out. Have never had an issue with them, and I use them hard.

Meanwhile I've completely thrashed over a hundred GI mags, 2 dozen D&H mags, 3 Lancers, and maybe 10 C-Products stainless mags.

So far nothing's held up to the amount of load/unload and drop cycles I've put the gen2's through.

>>32450222

i just put magpul followers in all my colt/brownells aluminums

i've seen some pmags that saw deployments and them things were begging to be put out of their misery, much easier to fix my shit with a gerber than have broken plastic replaced

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>>32450222
Bingo.

I mean, buying new $9 magazines every 3 years is no big deal. That pales in contrast to the cost of ammo shot over that period of time, it's totally not a monetary concern, even for /k/.

By why replace a magazine every 3 years or suffer any consequences whatsoever when you can buy a USGI for the same price, which lasts indefinitely, always drops free, never jams, never cracks and has a six decade long vetted military service record? Plus they look super rad.

You'd have to be some kind of impulsive, gullible consumer whore to fall for the memegazine gimmick.

>>32450244
C-More, Trijicon RMR

>>32448028
18.

get a different gun, like an SMG to cuddle up with at night.

No effective rifle is going to be light enough and short enough to snuggle with.

Is the Geissele Super Semi Auto trigger their best one?

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>>32450262
Post a picture of JUST ONE of your "hundred" damaged USGI magazines.

I'm not even asking for a pile of 140+ damaged magazines.

Just post a single picture. Of a damaged magazine, with a timestamp.

>>32450277
Because PMAGs don't get bent or dented and come with a window so you can tell how loaded a mag is just be looking at it.

>>32450302
Yes. It is the best AR trigger. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. It's SOCOM-apporved and everything.

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>>32450302
It's the most well rounded and most popular, but not their "best." Their best would be the Hi Speed, or variants thereof, which offer adjustability the SSA/E does not have.

However in my opinion, the poorfag $99 Larue MBT is better even than the Geissele Hi Speed in every respect except adjustability.

t. trigger snob

>>32450199
You clearly have made up something in your head despite never seeing a loaded gen3 pmag stored for "years" without a dust cover.

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>>32450293
MDR preorders are shipping in January, with full production being acheived by March.

>>32450325
Thanks boyo

>>32450286
Thanks

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>>32450303

>>32450277
>I mean, buying new $9 magazines every 3 years is no big deal.

Setting aside you have never worn out a pmag in 3 years.

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>>32450358

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>>32450227
>Government, Military and Civilian critical infrastructure is terrible in every possible way
oh ya i agree for the most part. funny part is most people dont realize.

all the scada techs ive met are funny guys, i can see em doing some shit like that.

gaining control of SCADA from the outside and fucking with shit is a great way to hurt the plant but if the operators were not nappin on the job they would turn everything to local and continue on "normally".

breaking equipment either electronically or physically damaging them, cutting the power and destroying the generator, fucking with SCADA on retarded operators are really the only ways i can see one hurting a plant or the waste/water supply.

unless the plant was small af simply dumping shit in the water wont do much as dilution will take its course.

dilution is the solution as we say.

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>>32450339
I've seen a loaded 1982 USGI black follower magazine stored for 16 years.

Pic related what happened to it when I put it in my rifle last year.

>>32450340
how heavy?

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>>32450368

>>32450302
ssa-e

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>>32450379
Yes, I got more than 3 years out of most of these. Yes, a lot of them came to me (lightly) used, which is why I have a mix of green and tan follower ones (and one black one that I've kept in good repair cuz nostalgia). But they simply don't last as long as my gen2 Pmags have.

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>>32450358
>>32450368
>>32450379
I said post a picture of a damaged magazine. Those feed lips aren't even dented, let alone trashed beyond life. I guess by "thrashed" you mean "used."

It's missing paint. Oh dear, it'll never feed again!

You made my point, thank you.

>>32450378
~7-7.5 lbs for the 16" version.

>>32450373
That's nice, have you ever seen a gen3 pmag with damage from long term storage?

>>32450395
Wow. You're blind AF. Take a closer look at >>32450379
and notice where I've had to bend the feed lips back multiple times and notice the HUMONGOUS FUCKING DENT on the right side.

>>32450395
>t-t-those don't count!!!!

>>32450406
>HUMONGOUS FUCKING DENT
you mean the part thats built into literally every usgi magazine produced in the last 70 years? that dent?

>>32450371
What if I just chuck a bomb into the place?

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>>32450428
No you dipshit, the part where the rib doesn't stop where it's supposed to.

Here's some more pics of that mag since apparently you have the visual acuity of a particularly mentally challenged mole.

>>32450399
Never looked into it because the brand new ones I had were already misshapen enough not to drop free. I got rid of them quick.

I'm not making anything up, Magpul says they deform after years.

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>>32450440

>>32447937
My only AR is a RRA CarA4 from 2006. I've been thinking of adding an optic to it. I'm familiar with ACOG's and CCO's but is there anything out there worth having that isn't in that high of a price range?

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>>32450437
if i had 1 bomb to throw, i would throw it at the headworks. would cause most damage imo.

gib me a job

>>32450440
you won't convince a zealot but I applaud your effort to actually evidence what you are saying

how much should i sell a aimpoint pro for?
about a year old shot with it once i prefer a scope.

>>32450396
too heavy to snuggle with

>>32450440
>>32450450
lol its the same on both sides who are you trying to fool or are you implying that you damaged both sides identically?

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>>32450450

>>32450458
I'm not trying to say GI mags are bad (though the D&H's dont last as long as the Colts), but Pmags have categorically outlasted all of my other mags by a large margin. Some of my Pmags are on their 4th set of springs, I've never worn out more than 1 in any other mag before the body fails somehow.

>>32450448
>Magpul says

Except they don't, you are inserting your own words into what they have said.

>>32450440
>>32450450
Well remember the part when I said replacing Pmags after 3 years is no big deal?

The same applies to USGI. Toss the damaged one and buy a new one. No big deal.

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>>32450456
>gib me a job
We are hiring a bunch of people and have an office up near you but you arent smart enough kiddo
>>32450460
$400

>>32450461
>lol its the same on both sides

t. the blind

>>32450459
Half of what you paid for it.

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>>32450459
I'll trade ya a DD freefloat rail and a PSA build kit

>>32450459
treefiddy

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>>32450379
>>32450393
>>32450440
>>32450450
>>32450469
>b-b-but muh pmags indestructable!

>>32450495
Now do that with an aluminum mag.

>>32450474
So you are saying you have to replace USGI mag's after 3 years, which makes pmags more cost effective as they last longer.

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>>32450475
Put a telestock and M5 RAS on that thing.

>>32450475
reeeeeeeeeeee
gib gib gib

AR noob here, I've been given a stipend to purchase a rifle for duty what are good mfgs these days? Is windham reputable?

>>32450518
whats the stipend

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>>32450512
I just have it laying around so my ACOG has a home.
>>32450516
Explain to me the crypto weaknesses in RC4 in your own words. You have 5 minutes.

>>32450504
>Pmag will still work
>Pmag retained all its rounds, aluminum did not
Not helping your case m8

>>32450529
$1500

>>32450518
Windham is literally Bushmaster. They're trash.
What's your budget?

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Even that little twink fuck alex won't use pmags

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu75yYtRkbg

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>muh undeadable

>>32450518
http://sionicsweaponsystems.com/store2015/home/8-patrol-rifle-zero.html

>>32450530
Drop tests? 85ft? Yeah, I'm not worried.

>>32450544
>>32450543
What about S&W mp15? Or colt? Trying to shoot under my budget by a bit so I can use some of the cash to get mags and ammo

>>32450543
willing to spend a bit more for optics?

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>>32450495
>CONCLUSION: For this type of test, all of the polymer mags out performed aluminum USGI magazines. It’s important to take these results with a grain of salt as there were a number of variables I didn’t account for, such as exactly how magazine landed. Some may have landed only one one feed lip, while others may have landed squarely on both, etc., But based on this one data point, it seems that any of the polymer magazines appear to be more durable than the USGI magazine in this area. Other tests, such as long term storage, may yield different (or similar) results.

I love it when anons use a source that defeats their argument.

>>32450539
>not discarding the output keystream
>using nonrandom keys
>bad sampling resistance

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>>32450530
None of those are Pmags tho. Those are Thermolds.

This is what a gen2 pmag looks like from that angle.

new
>>32450570
>>32450570

>>32450576
Colt is fine. A LE6920 is literally a semi-auto M4 with a 16" bbl, but you can do better than that if you're willing to spend a couple hundred more on the rifle, e.g. >>32450554

>>32450584
not really

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>>32450586

AK mags for life.

>>32450191
And you live on the commie side of the state.