Middle east general / Syria war. Aleppo ist kaput

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Heh

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East Aleppo

>>32303454
The fuck is that warhead? Thermobaric?

>>32303415
Why are people so butthurt about Assad? Why are the people so sure that the next faggot who will take over this shithole won't be even be worse? Smells like shill spirit

>>32303489
People aren't. Just western media is.

>>32303464
looks like it yea

Besides all the hubbub in Syria what's happening in Yemen and Iraq?

>>32303489
>>32303506
because the jewi.. I mean... western media says so.

>>32303489
>Why are people so butthurt about Assad?
>posting a picture from 2013
>totaly not butthurt

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Ayrab melodrama fresh from /pol/

>fighters in aleppo are asking for a fatwa allowing them to kill their women so Assad militias won't defile them

posted by Syrian flag so it might be a roleplaying faggot. Anyone verse in dune runes able to confirm?

>>32303483
What the absolute fuck is it with ay-rabs and their index fingers? Do they think it makes them look wise or something?

>>32303570
>muh fatwa
I'm glad that the Middle Eastern mindset is still stuck in the Medieval Age.

>>32303570
muh moderates. lel

>>32303571
its for allah or some shit, they are pointing to god n such

>>32303570
thats so tolerant and democratic. Equality for every women !

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>>32303571
it means One God
btw serbs use three fingers as a sign of the holy trinity

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RIP Bilaal :(

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Kurd district Aleppo

any news of T4 ??

>>32303454
??? but it needs to be pointy. it goes into the tank and then BOOM

>>32303688
Reminds me of Libya.

Anyone got the picture of the guy playing the guitar thingy?

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>>32303861
Libya was fun to follow but it ended so fast

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>>32303688
What a nice drummer boy/man

>Come, they told me,
>Pa rum pum pum pum
>An ophthalmologist king to see,
>Pa rum pum pum pum
>Our finest bombs we bring,
>Pa rum pum pum pum
>To lay upon the king,
>Pa rum pum pum pum,
>Ra pum pum pum,
>Ra pum pum pum

>>32303942
We had some great threads though, didn't we?

'Member Libya? Ohh, i member.

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>>32303989
Were you here for Cast Lead...?

>be watching WP shells burst on Pallie livestream
>wonder where Richard is (Cockney slang = rooster = cock = dick = Richard al Gaza
>Brit chimes in on chat telling us that's how the Israelis got in good with your new President; they sent him all that fried chicken
>NOOOOOO RICHARD LIVES
>sure enough, maybe a minute later every goddam rooster in the Gaza Strip wakes up and starts crowing
>FUCK YEAH RICHARD

Good times.... good times.

>>32303489

Anon, pretty sure he is being paid off by some Gulf state to peddle their views.

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>>32303970
Holy fucking kek

What do you guys think, will the Idlib rebels (or the turk ones from the north) ever be able to get a foothold in Aleppo city again?

>(voice over)
"He was just your average fun-loving student"

>(young Bashar)
"I'm going to be an opthalmologist... right after I chug this bucket of jaeger woooooooot!"

>(voice over)
"But then it all fell apart."

>(record player needle scratch)

>(Hafez)
"Son, have a seat. Your brother had an accident. He didn't make it. We want you to run the country when I'm gone."

>(Bashar)
"Me? But papa, I'm just an eye doctor!"

>(voice over, "I'm walking on sunshine" playing)
"And now, he is about to find out... (cut to the shooting of protesters) that pounding the jihad (cut to barrel bomb) ain't as easy as pounding the brewskies (cut to bakery exploding)."

>(Bashar interrogating a gagged Nusra fighter)
"I hear you have trouble seeing things my way. You came to the right place."

(Bashar snaps his surgical gloves and pivots a large piece of equipment in front of the fighter's clamped-open eyes)

>(Bashar)
"Now open wide and say allaaaaaah..."

(muffled screams as red lasers pierce the fighter's eyes)

>(voice over)
"The doctor's in, and the filth is out.
Bashar Al-Assad is... the Eye Opener."

>(trailer credits)

AFTER CREDIT SCENE, NO MUSIC:

>(Bashar, playing with an eyebal on a scalpel, doing a high voice for the eyeball)
"Have you seen my glasses? Eye can't find them anywhere!"
>(Bashar, producing a large severed nose on a scalpel, doing a low voice for the nose)
"Who nose where they are, they fell when I left."

PG13

>>32304403
10/10 would watch and also buy on bluray

>>32304403
Maybe Saddam could've stuck around too, if only he'd gotten an M.D.

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>>32304403
Surely, there must be funding for this

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>>32304403
dog bless anon

>>32304403
3/10

>>32303389
Finally

>>32303521
Stagnation

>>32303570
Moderate and democratic as fuck

>>32304325
Never say never with this shithole, but most likely not

>>32304403
6/10

>>32303570
very moderate desu!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtpN84A7scw&feature=youtu.be

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iKTmM-zphOU&feature=youtu.be

Fresh footage from t4

Apparently the SAA caught some of the Zenki guys who cut off that kids head this Summer. I wonder what will happen to them

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>>32304403
Fucking 10/10

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>>32305555
Dat tank shell at 0:14

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>>32305646

>>32305599

A personal opthamology appointment with Doctor Assad himself.

>>32303415
what a disgusting piece if shit.

I hope he gets his ass pluged onto the end of a gas tank then fired in the air from a hell canon so he can finally join his beloved isis-chan terrorishit djihadicks in their little hell where they serve as a fuckholes for their master satan and his 666 inches long cock

>>32305599
Hopefully put them in a prison full of shia

>>32304403
WAYTUHD PEE DJEE THUUUR DEEN
8/10 would watch with friends when drunk

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more ""news"" -__-

>>32306732
Then Assad personally sacrificed 666 kitties and 999 puppies to satan while wearing a nazi SS uniform.
Then he had straight sex with his wife.

Can you belive this ? STRAIGHT sex, with his WIFE !

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Can you guys identify as many as you guns in this pic?

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>>32306787
>Can you belive this ? STRAIGHT sex, with his WIFE !

Aleppo: well done SAA
Palmyra: fuck... (will most likely be recaptured in the coming weeks, as SAA always counter attacks)

>>32307037
>Year 2087
>ISIS has been beaten decades ago
>their members are all dead or old people
>Palmyra is still regulary captured by them

>>32307102
>Once a year, the two surviving ISIS members, both named Zelim, go to Palmyra
>Sneak up to the guard shed of Yassin, the 98 year old SAA veteran
>And every year, the push him in the small pond by the shed
>The hobble away on their canes, giggling maniacally, a breathless "Allahu Ackbar" exhaled between the five teeth that remain between the two of them
>Until Yassin can get rid of his cold and out of bed six days later, Palmyra is officially ISIS territory

>>32307176
I want RT to make this real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THrZZ95i8zQ

>>32307176
keked

>>32303389

What happens to YPG?

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>>32307192

RT just layin down the bantz... vile hackers

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>>32307176
>mfw old veterans of the war are still hitting each other with canes out in the desert

>>32304403
10 out of fucking 10 m8

Is this shit show finally over? Can we stop pretending we were not supporting ISIS? Or will the destabilization continue because we need an excuse to import more shitskins.

>>32306827
ppsh, heck of a shotgun

>>32303415
On a scale from 1 to steel beams, how paranoid is this person?

>>32307623
As if you dont exactly know who he is. It is not like anyone cares about him beside poltards.

>>32306827
Are those Stg-44's?

Wtf

>>32307176
>implying this isn't the reality

>>32307409
>Or will the destabilization continue because we need an excuse to import more shitskins.
Hmmm whadya thank

>>32308173
I fucking hate the CIA. Why haven't them and the NSA been abolished yet? Fucking traitors to the Republic.

Make a new spy agency that isn't owned by China and is not allowed to make private armies out of fucking Muslims of all things.

And call it something cooler next time.

>>32308238

Lets call it the Arcanii and make them wear cloaks and masks.

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>>32306732
I am sure about SAA will execute some rebels on spot, and it is pretty fine with me

>>32308173
>>32308238
t. victims of Russian PSYOPS

>>32307231
Still around, advancing towards Raqqa n shit.

>>32307829
He is hard to be rid of, if you're on Twitter and the man is a top tier fucking loon

>>32307462
that's a tommy gun, baka senpai desu

>>32308739
i remember those vids, i'd be full of hate and anger too if i was SAA

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>>32309864
now

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>>32308748

>>32304403
Kek'd harder than I should've

>>32309878
they have lost the kfc ?

>>32303942
Level 20 Bard Plays Inspire Courage

>>32308109

germany sold a bunch of WW2 shit off during the 50s to pay for their war reparations. syria and egypt even used to operate Panzer IVs before they promptly got thrown at israel and destroyed.

>>32310300
That was zabadani my friend. Which btw did that pop off again? Did the cease fire end??

>>32309878
There are some jackass's claiming there are STILL 100000 people in that pocket. Utter retardation

>>32303688
when was the last time you were as happy as this fucking guy?

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>>32310533
>neo-American media

>>32310335
Gr8 b8 m8
There is some truth in what you wrote, but most of those stg 44s are post-war production guns made by Yugoslavia.

>>32310520
Zabadani is due to fall in 30 minutes

>>32310533
>100000
>not 250000
They killed the Clown of Aleppo too early, that Bana girl is not good enough

do you guys know why russia doesn't use su-25s in syria? Is the payload worse than on a su-24?

>>32310533
>100000
>not 6000000000

it's literally another nakba

>>32310711
Smaller combat radius may be

"""""revolutionaries""""" in damage control

fucking love these armchair tears

I didn't check in here for a while and just saw on the tv news that SAA has retaken all of Aleppo. Are they reporting it before it has even happened, assuming it will happen today, or is it just misinformation?

>>32311081
Mopping ops in progress

>>32311081
News is retarded and will go for the most extreme headline possible.

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>>32311094
These fuckers not even try to pretend to be independent and balanced media anymore

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The BBC has already gone for the
>muh ebil dictator
>think of the children!

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>>32304403

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what is a leo?

>>32303570
I can see the words "Fatwa," "before that militias", and "allow".

>>32311171
vid or it didnt happen

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>>32311126
>>32310533

>>32311171
JUST roast my Roaches up.

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Leopard be like meh

>>32311171
>>32311316

As a german i can only support this. Hopefully the buy alot of new ones

>>32311316
So I saw this originally from the front angle it was dug in you could barely see it. Looks like Isis are being sneaky again.

>>32311323
No we wont. We can afford to lose some. Also Altay will be in service in 2 years.

>>32311316
fuck i thought this massive tank was invincible.

>>32311126
ooooy veeeey it is anudda shoah

>>32311463
its from 1985

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>>32311483
pic didn't upload

>>32311463
it is if you keep it out of combat

>>32311487
i know but it was one of the most imposive tanks. "too big to fall", etc.

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>>32304019
>Cast Lead
I member!

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>>32304403
that's some top-level stuff.
10/10 it's okay -IGN

>>32311463
>implying anyone said that the Leopoard was invinicible from all sides
Nice strawman you got there.

>>32311523
It's 30 years old dumbass. It was too big to fall, 30 years ago.

There's newer Leos out there now.

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>>32303571

It means check these dubs for allah

>>32311715
The new ones are even worse due to budget cuts.

>>32311126
Did they literally execute 80 civilians, is there proof or just claims? Like it's a deplorable thing and I feel like people here are defending it cause saa dindu nuffin, on the other hand it is a minor blimp is the atrocities that others have done in this year alone

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>>32311770

>>32311771
Possible. It could be 3, 5, 80 or even 200.. But maybe it was just "rebels in civilan clothes"?

In the end it doesn't matter

>>32311770
Okay pal.

>>32311787
Yeah my thoughts exactly, whether it's rebel propaganda or a sad act from the saa it's insignificant

>>32311819
Unicef reports about a house with 100 children inside who can't leave because the house is under direct fire.. Now that is something thats just a lie.

>Second SVBIED detonated vs pro-Government forces. Rebels are slowly advancing in Al-Zahraa district, but for 1st time in months.

HAHAHAHA

Now they attack from the outside.

>>32311838
What do they mean, the saa is just stood outside hosing the outside of the house with bullets?

>>32311863
http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2016/13-december-possibly-100-children-trapped-in-a-building

A german newspaper used the term "under direct fire".

>>32311873
That's fucking retarded.

>>32311771

Stop listening to fake news.

>>32311094
I woke up to a headline about hundreds of children trapped in a building being shelled by Syrian forces. topkek

>>32311946
I never said I believed them, I don't believe that everything bad said about assad is rebel propaganda right off the bat because I'm not a cock sucking assad shill either
And as said, it doesn't matter if it's true or not anyway, just morbid curiosity to see if there's actually any burning kids

In the Aleppo victory thread I am going to take stock in SAA victories country wide. The Syrian government with foreign allies have won the battle of Aleppo but it's only the latest in a string of battlefield wins in western Ghouta, most of Latakia, slowly reducing the eastern Ghouta pocket and southern Front in Daara being made irrelevant due to being controlled by Jordan and the US. JFS and the Islamists discarded Aleppo for Idlib.

Assad has craved out large swaths of Syria back under his rule.

>>32312091
Don't forget Kanakir, where more than a thousand rebels have yelded their weapons.

>>32312091
>southern Front in Daara being made irrelevant due to being controlled by Jordan and the US
What's the story here? Did Jordan come to some sort of agreement with Assad?

>>32312331
Jordan has a competent western style military

>>32311771
Its a minor blimp on atrocities SAA did this year. But its what one could call a defining moment. If people were killed after the battle, there is no easy justification. I don't find in surprising if they did it. But what irritates me is seeing people who bitched about Nusra killing people after they captured that village near Rastan now justifying SAA.

In reality people will bitch about it becomes it simple and clean. The same way they bitched about gas or barrel bombs while ignoring that the wast majority of people die from artillery and proper air bombs. When ever people bitch about it, it tells one thing. They are bitching to make themselves feel like they are the good guys and they don't give a shit about the people.

>>32312524
This. It will just become another anti-assad meme, no matter if it makes sense (or even is true). His troops are executing civilians. Check. Its in every newspaper right now and it will never go away because its people like this Journalist in this video (and don't forget about Jihadi Julian) who write the articles about Syria:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNV3mPTYm2s

They don't care for objectivity nor the truth.

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>>32312331
Something like that, MOC decided against the overthrow of Assad about 3 years ago but only recently has their inaction been noticed. Pro Assad people correctly believe the US was behind a effort to overthrow Assad but it's long over with.

BTW who is the idiot Russian solider who left his master card in Palmyra? IS has your debit card you fuck head.

>>32312569
No one cares about objectivity. Truth is the first casualty of war. And its not just the rebels but also pro Assad crowed as well. If you listen only to them, one would think that all Syrians were rich and prosperous and everything was fine until Saudis and Qataris sent 200.000 Islamists to overthrow the beacon of freedom, justice and prosperity that was Assad.

Anyone here has experience with S-125? It seams ISIS captured some and it appears that they also has an antenna, not sure if its radar or not.


https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/808690785403228164

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>>32312591
As bad as that was I suppose losing your credit card isn't as bad as losing an S-125 SAM site next to T4.

As far as T4 it's quiet today as IS headed for Qaryatayn capturing a cross road meanwhile rumored Russian Spetsnaz have been dispatched to T4.

Also breaking of a ceasefire in Aleppo. The end is here.

>>32312599
Well, Syria was in a better shape than some of its neighbours, and was definetly freer than most in regards to religious practices.

What fucked the country was the desertification of the country and an explosion in population. Less space for agriculture plus more people is a shitty combination.

The economy of the country was slightly declining before the war, but then it plunged into the abyss.

>>32312677
>headed for Qaryatayn
They're trying to:
>1
cut off access to Tiyas
>2
Bog down reinforcements elsewhere so they can Tiyas

The assault on Deyr-ez-Zor was a good example of that.

>>32312729
>Less space for agriculture plus more people is a shitty combination.
Add to that Assad did nothing about this or just jailed the people protesting it. In the worst years somewhat about 17% of the countries population didnt had enough food, Assad probaly thought he was super smart in hungering the "desert" population that wasnt his friend to begin with.

>>32312768
>ssad probaly thought he was super smart in hungering the "desert" population that wasnt his friend to begin with.

I doubt it. He probably just didn't gave a fuck.

>>32310639
They weren't made in Yugoslavia, they were sent to the Yugoslavs as aid before they broke from the Cominterm.

>>32312729
>>32312768
>>32312784
At least the war solved the overpopulation issue. And someone will say that killing people isn't a solution.

>>32312768
Not to sound pro-Assad or anti-Assad, but what the hell should he or could he have done?
Magically water the desert? A project like that would take years and years to complete.

Also, I don't think he was happy rural population had hunger, but he thought a big project was needed, and funds for other stuff, like the cities, was better.

Cities that received that rural population and were being continuously developed with housing for those same people. what do you think the "Housing" projects in Aleppo are? Government built housing for rural population fleeing the countryside.

>>32312638
If IS found it intact I wonder if they would use it over T4 or save it for later?

>>32312812
That's true.
Bigger population growth than infrastructure growth is always bad.

>>32312814
>Not to sound pro-Assad or anti-Assad,
Spoken like the standard shill and dont get me even started with the rest of your crappy post. Seriously hope you are at least getting some ruble out of this.

>>32312826
If they use it now it gets destroyed within hours (if it isn't already).

>>32312729
Religious freedom isn't all. Hell, freedom isn't all. The Gulf shows that. But the Gulf monarch are smart, they pay their people and ask nothing of them but obedience.

When there is money its easy to oppress people but when there isn't there must be a way for the people to show their frustration. In the west election allow the poor and generally people that get fucked over by the system to express their "fuck you" to the system.

Assad had a lot of poor people, and poverty breeds resentment, especially against the elites. And than he allowed them no way to express their resentment. You can't just push people down, people are not animals, the harder you beat a man the taller his stands.

>>32312842
Got a better explanation what all the "project" apartment suburbs were?

>>32312863
Useless to the problem. Its like painting favelas in bright colors, so it looks nice.

>>32303489
The saudis want him out, probably so they can start importing wahhabism

>>32312863
>implying it was actually to help people
>implying it was not just to shove them somewhere

>>32312814
Its not just about action its also about appearance. There was no way that he could water the fields, but he didn't even try. Start some project, replace few ministers, cut some excess fat and use the money to help the people. No one really expects the ruler to eat like the poor but they don't like it when you tell them to eat cake.

Most important, replace the government. If you have a regime and shit goes down, someone from the elite has to go down with it. Agriculture shit, fire the minister for agriculture. highway over cost, fire the director of highway administration. You don't have to destroy them, but changes must be made.

>>32312877
True, but what else could he have done to solve the problem with the growing desert?

He certainly didn't acted as smart as he could (and thats kinda easy to say in retroperspective now) but growing birth rates and the problems followed/caused by that in a country full of arabs (i.e. low development) is not something you can blame the president for.

>>32312891
>shove them somewhere

Its a fucking house. What else would you expect to get from an arab dictatorship?

>>32312917
>Assad gud boy
>didnd du nuffin wrong

He is a fucking dictator, not caring about people, reacting when it is to late and responding in a harshness that only lead to more conflicts.

>>32312944
So how could he possibly have stopped the birth rate problem? 1-child-policy like in china? Because that would work well with Arabs? Send soldiers to kill babies?

>>32312842
Please tell me what's wrong with my post then.

>>32312926
So what he done was bad? Can that be said? Or do we always have to argue around it? It is always the same little dance that Assad/Putin hoes are doing.

>>32312953
>>32312955
Go back to fucking /sg/, there you can slubber up Assads ass all day and act like Assad isnt just another crappy dictator, making crappy descissions.

>>32312955
see >>32312891
>>32312909
>>32312877

>>32312958
In the end Assad did not matter here.

You have a mass of uneducated people who formerly lived at the edge of the desert being "happy" as farmers.
If the desert starts to grow because of the climate then that just sucks for these people.
Of course they will start to move into the big cities. Population movements from the country towards the cities were always the case in history in cases of famine.

Now you have a country like syria. Not overly rich and with a corrupt government. A situation like above would be pretty hard to deal with in western countries. Of course Syria struggled. There is simply no need for thousands and thousands of "farmers" in a modern city. But you also can not expect some kind of gulf monarchy welfare for everyone there.
These people have literally zero perspective in Syria because the country is poor and they have zero skills and nothing Assad or any other leader did or could have done would have changed that.

Thats why most of these guys came to Europe. Because there is nothing for them to do in Syria. (Not that this is different over here, but here they get everything they need for free.. at least thats what they believe).

>>32312953
One thing that would have helped would have been promotion of better water management systems. promoting drop by drop system among the poor, small farms would have saved a lot of water. Being open to foreign investments might have provided more jobs. Reducing growth of cotton and replacing it with some other cash crop might have reduced water demand even more. Building a better transportation infrastructure that would have prevented the high urbanization rate by better connecting the small towns and villages to large cities. And on it goes, a thousand things, each one would have reduced the problem by little.

>>32312984
>and act like Assad isnt just another crappy dictator, making crappy descissions.

How does that contradict with
>So how could he possibly have stopped the birth rate problem?

How would a not-crappy leader have solved the problem?

>>32312953
instigating good reforms, so the Syrians in the countryside didn't have 4 kids unsustainably, and didn't quadruple their population in 50 years, so they didn't have to chimp out after just one drought.

>>32313023
>In the end Assad did not matter here.
Stopped reading right there. How can you be so densely in denial? Yeah, right because you construct everything around the goal of praising Assad.

>>32313033
>so the Syrians in the countryside didn't have 4 kids unsustainably


You can reform as much as you want, Arabs always have 4+ children.

>>32313028
>stopped the birth rate problem
leaders who have effectively dealth with this issue have been demonized to hell and back

Look at Stalin and Mao and other folks who tried to control population growth.

>>32313044
>Yeah, right because you construct everything around the goal of praising Assad.

Didn't you just say you stopped reading AFTER "assad did not matter"? So you read it right? Didn't you understand the meaning of that sentence?

security council regarding syria right now

http://webtv.un.org/live-now/watch/security-council-the-situation-in-libya-7832nd-meeting/5195648552001#

>>32313025
This.

All this blubbering about muh "anti-Zionism" on /sg/ by those braindead Assad supporters, at least Israel over the last 50 years understood their own plight and how they have barely any resources, and managed to invest heavily into water management.

Now they extract 50% of their water supply through artificial means, i.e. desalination and other technologies. That's the highest rate of any country in the world. The next highest is Spain, at only just 20%.

Why blame the Israelis and Zionists when all your country did is breed like rats, and your leaders turned out to be incompetent dictators who keep their regimes intact through state and leader worship?

>>32313050
>What changes would you make?
>The folling changes:...
>D-doesnt count, changes doesnt do anything!

>>32313064
If you declare the guy doing shitty politics magically doesnt matter, just because it suits you, i dont have to read a second futher, because it is a desperate move and everything you build around it
>did not matter here.

>>32313050
Guess Arabs are retards then.

Goes along with their contributions to the world in the last century or so.
>>32313051
Mao at first thought the Congo-tier birth rate of the Chinese at the time would be a benefit, as surplus population would fend off the bourgeois in a supposed war. But he quickly realized it was a burden, so his successors instigated the one-child program which was very effective.

Good on the Chinese. And the Soviet population growth wasn't as unsustainable, WWII managed to kill of the excess, not Stalin in particular. Stalin was just an egomaniac asshole to whom population growth wasn't high on his priorities.

>>32313072
>Why blame the Israelis and Zionists when all your country did is breed like rats, and your leaders turned out to be incompetent dictators who keep their regimes intact through state and leader worship?


Because they are Sandniggers after all. They always blame the jews, no matter where they are or how rich they are.

Besides, Israel has massive support from the whole western world. Their development is impressive, but that didn't come from out of the desert by jew magic alone.

>>32313080
Then explain why Arabs tend to have enormous numbers or children in western countries as well, even in the 2nd or 3rd generation? Do these countries need reforms as well to keep bydlo arabs from breeding?

>>32313023
He could have opened the country like Erdogan did. Turkey was just as poor like Syria, but Erdogan figured out that if you are cheep and close to Europe, European companies will invest in you. Turks make a lot of fabrics and other labor intensive, low tech, low education products for Europe.

>>32313107
By your logic every Arab country must have a hunger crisis.

>>32313114
>He could have opened the country like Erdogan did.

Not as easy if there are sanctions in place against the country.. Turkey is not really comparable since they were a member of the Nato all along.

>>32313023
Ftr, the SCW was preceded by a full year of "peaceful" demonstration within the context of the Arab Spring.

The actual war only got going thanks to outside action.
>Arabians astroturfing "freedom movements" within Syria
>AQ affiliated foreigners infiltrating Syria as part of a global jihad, filling "domestic freedom movements" with foreign fighters/terrorists
>NATO/UN unanimously shilling for Assad's resignation/deposing just like Mubarak and Gaddafi
>global media campaign to conduct airstrikes against SAA
>Muh gas attacks

It's abundantly clear that Assad's regime is the victim here and the majority of the causation for the war came from foreign elements.

>>32313051
Because they were dictator and they want to secure their rule by killed off the intellectuals and keep the majority of population poor and illiterate to make the depende on the statel. And stupid people did what they did best, having unplanned birth control and being burden to the states, when shit was out of control they processed to them off. That's why we condemn people like Mao, Stalin, they created their own problems and want to go the easy way out to fix them, through violent

>>32313123
Because every Arab country is 100% the same in its geographical aspects?

>>32313114
All Erdogan did was follow through with technocratic reforms handed to him by the IMF when the fund bailed out Turkey in the early 00s after their economy was doing badly. They did everything according to the list and benefited a lot when the world economy was doing quite well for the most part of the decade, and China was booming.

Now Erdogan is still in power but his economy is a bit of a basket case right now and all he cares right are about muh Kurds. The Turkish Lira has been going down constantly over the last few years.

>>32313127
Tldr: no amount of domestic policy improvements would have saved Assad from this supernational gangrape.

>>32313127
>you are all wrong
>here, take my wrong instead
Everytime.

>>32313133
So why should one care if it aint a problem for your country? Why didnt Assad care? Oh, i forgot, he gud boy.

>>32313107
The problem isn't that the average Arab blames the jews for everything. It's that Assad though that he could stay in power by blaming the jews while people starve. That shows that he is incompetent and that his incompetence in management caused the war. We can go on in circles for ever, but the fact is Assad isn't the victim of events out of his control. There were things he could have done, things he didn't do. His inaction caused the grievance of his people to grow until it exploded and than he decided to kill them into submission.

>>32313149
What are you even talking about?

>>32313123
Of course not, every Arab country is different in their own way of handling things.

The thing that is universal is that they grow their population to the limit, and act surprised when social/economic/ethnic and even religious tensions arise.

Considering how rich Saudi Arabia is, it's certainly going down that path now, their youth population bulge is so large that the government can't provide enough jobs for them now. And there's the massive problem with the Shia minority in their Eastern Province, who have deep grievances against the Sunni majority, and who do the heavy lifting and dirty oil work in the East. It's not going to be sunshine for KSA over the next 50 years, no matter what people say.

>>32313151
>There were things he could have done, things he didn't do.

You are right in that, but even if he did everything he could that only would have bought him a few more years.

>>32313159
You said, different countries had different geographical aspects, then why didnt Assad took the geographical aspects of his country in account and planed ahead? Just saying it would have not worked, so it didnt matter he hadnt done one thing, is just straight doging.

>trying this hard to blame the SCW on anything but globalist regime change and Saudi jihad

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>IT'S THOSE PESKY ZIONISTS IN ISRAEL AND THE WEST WHO CAUSE SYRIA HARM AND FUNDED THE UNREST
>ASSAD AND THE SYRIANS DINDU NUFFIN THEY WUZ GOOD BOYS
>THE ZIONIST CONTROLLED MEDIA IN THE WEST IS ALL FAKE NEWS, THEY'RE CONSTANTLY SPOUTING LIES ABOUT SYRIA

>>32313174
Actually it would have changed a lot and if it actually would have not worked, it would have gone from i dont give a fuck to i tried everything, which changes the attitude and reaction to it entirely.

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>>32304403
That was fantastic

>>32313187
Its not like you can predict a period of drought years ahead.

Saying he did nothing is just a joke. The Syrian government did try to ease the situation, but in the end they didn't succeed which can be because of incompetence, corruption and therefore inefficiency or simply because some things just need more time to develop. All these plans and reforms here (>>32313025 ) sound nice but thats not something you can just install over night. Its pretty arrogant to say nobody (Maybe Assad really didn't, but he has ministers who aren't 100% retarded) in Syria thought about things like that.
A country like Syria is just not as effective as a western country when it comes to reforms. (One could argue huge reforms like that would be hard to pull off in central europe as well). To get more efficiency to the government and the country in a whole they need to change their whole system, and thats not easy if its a dictatorship with corruption and criminal ties and roots down into every city.

>>32313214
>which changes the attitude and reaction to it entirely.

Not really.
>muh barrel bombs
>muh chemical weapons
>muh execution of civilians

Western media has its picture of Assad and his politic before the war (be it good or bad) is something unheard of here.

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>>32313174
Than he should have walked out like Ben Ali. Ben Ali saw that he wasn't capable of ruining the country so when the people came he took his money and left. And now Tunis is relatively good and Syria is a burning corps.

I understand the politics. But in my opinion Assad is an asshole who was too incompetent to run the country and too stupid to realize it. He is not the victim, Syrian people are.

>>32313248
>Its not like you can predict a period of drought years ahead.
of course you can, it's not like droughts are some sort of phenomenon. There has been a history of long droughts everywhere in the world, but people learn from it through hardship and better prepare for it. The Syrian government did nothing for it, and that instigated the countryside workers to move en masse to the city, where there were few jobs and economic prospects already. And Assad's neo-liberal economic reforms in the 00s, that greatly exacerbated wealth inequality and where most of the money went close to his clique, didn't help either.

All of that was the perfect recipe for massive social and economic tensions, which manifested in the protests.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjWb_NQjfgE

>>32313248
All that squriming of your just you can avoid saying Assad didnt cause anything of this, that he isnt responsible for anything in a country led by him, the ignorance for named alternatives. It is downright pathetic. Who, who isnt entirely agenda driven, could even come up with such a constructed thought structure?

>>32313248
He had 10 years. He din't take power in 2010 for fuck sake. Ether fuck or get of the whore, she is payed by the hour.

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>>32313286
They even left food out for their new guests
how nice of them

>using domestic/organic excuses to explain away a wholly foreign/artificially orchestrated conflict

Syria could have been a utopian breadbasket and the West/Arabia would have still fucked them.

>>32313260
Yes, it would. Changes and reforms would have caused different things and just once again parroting it didnt matter is just embarrassing.

>>32313307
And people wouldn't have bought it. There is a reason why we din't see a civil war in Bahrain. Those fuck were too rich to risk their government stipends and Indian slaves for some political freedom.

>>32313248
>incompetence, corruption and therefore inefficiency or simply because some things just need more time to develop
ah, so it was the government's fault mostly, but it was ENTIRELY their fault is what you're trying to say.
uh huh
>A country like Syria is just not as effective as a western country when it comes to reforms.
nor is it apparently as effective or clean governed as Israel is. but Israel is the devil in the Middle East, despite their horrific conduct towards the Palestinians.
>One could argue huge reforms like that would be hard to pull off in central europe as well
Most of Central Europe managed to reform very well after the collapse of the Iron Curtain, which was a much harder and overwhelming task to do after being communist for decades. There was no chimping out (unlike in Syria) after the plunge into the dark after their governments instigated shock therapies that were need to spur their deadweight economies and inept political infrastructure.

>>32313292
No, you are right. Its 100% Assads fault and his alone. Because the world is Black&White and there are no other factors to consider but the decisions of Assad alone.

>>32313317
But that's fucking wrong.

Look what they did to Libya, an even more "progressively" run secular state.

>>32313333
>but Israel is the devil in the Middle East

Said who? Some dumb sandniggers or what?
You crazy?

>There was no chimping out
Uh? Forgot about Hungary? Romania? Or just recently, Ukraine?

>>32313341
You think strawmaning ist going to make it any better?

>>32313307
If there were so many foreign actors on the scene to capitalize on the grievances of the minority, that probably means that Assad's government wasn't doing a good job to help everyone within his own country.

Dictators and despots love to use foreign powers as scapegoats more than anything else, even if those evil foreign countries are massively more richer and more cleanly governed than Syria ever was in its history.

>>32313332
Bahrain didn't happen because it was Shia protesting Sunni rule, not the opposite.

>>32313358
I just prefer the whole picture instead of repeating state media.

>>32313356
Hungary and Romania weren't in dire straits as Syria was before the war
>Ukraine
even being the most corrupt and economically downtrodden country in Europe, almost to the level of African countries, they didn't massively chimp out during the war they had with Russia.

Syria massively chimped out, and that's because they produced too many subhumans that the country and the government itself couldn't provide for. Just look at that youth population bulge:>>32313212
That's a recipe for disaster. Ukraine never had that.

>>32313373
> whole picture
>defending Assad
>not just writing him of as another shity dictator
>endlessly argue around it
No, you just parrot the predigested propaganda you got infused from image boards.

>>32313396
>>not just writing him of as another shity dictator

Sorry to disturb your simplistic view of the world

>>32313396
>oy vey dictatorship

>>32308739
This

What goes around comes around

They still have to keep it down though so that foreigners don't "save" the rebels

>>32308748
Kill yourself

>>32313410
>Fleeing to everything is grey nihilistic exuse

>>32313411
>using oy vey
Here is your (you)

>>32313396
It really is weird seeing the pro assad viewpoint be so large. Honestly believe there has been a long propaganda effort on websites like here and live leak pushing this narrative, and my only guess why people buy into is a hatred of islam, and radical islam. Many seem to believe the conflict is a more black and white SAA vs Al Qaeda type deal.

>>32313386
All these countries in eastern europe have one thing in common: No fucking Muslims.

>>32313411
>>32313410
not arguments kek

>>32311123
""""""""""""Civilians""""""""""""""

>>32313429
Without AQ and IS, sure.


But with both of them involved and AQ even presented as the "good guys" in the media right now Its literally the only sane viewpoint someone from a western country could possibly have.

>>32313429
What is really odd about it, how this can only be found in comment sections of news sites and chans, and never to this degree in real life, for me not at Work, not with the family, not with friends, not with people you talk to, not with people from other countries. It is like a little microuniverse for circlejerkers parroting and ashure themself that it is way.

>>32311323
>As a german i can only support this.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>32313453
>AQ even presented as the "good guys"
>things that not happened that way
>things that intentionally were draggeed out of context so it fits the personal narritive

>>32312524
SAA executing what are most likely terrorists != terrorist group executing what are most likely regular civlians

SAA and Al-Nusra are nowhere on the same level of insanity/brutality.

>>32313462
>and never to this degree in real life

Pretty simple, because in real life nobody gives a fuck about Syria.
Here, and in the comment sections of related articles/videos you find only "fans" of that conflict. People who care and who are interested.

If i were to talk to my mom about Syria she would say "oh yes, how terrible.. poor children" or something along these lines because she saw some pics on CNN but probably couldn't tell me where Aleppo even is or what exactly is happening there. Same with my workmates and friends. (One friend is interested in the conflict as well.. but thats it). Being interested in military or wars is not something overly common these days.

>>32313436
Maybe because the nefarious aspects of Christendom had dug its grave in 1914, when the Christian empires of the world almost destroyed all of European civilization. The Communist regimes just laid the corpse to rest.

The Muslim world never went through that, they didn't and never began to produce thinkers or iconoclasts that stood up against organized religion like Voltaire, Spinoza, Rousseau, or any members of the Enlightenment that happened in Europe over the last few centuries.

>>32313453
But the US does not support Ansar Al Sham, this is what im talking about when it comes to overly simplifying, the FSA are not Alqaeda or ISIS. Years ago before the Isis betrayal of the FSA everyone in the FSA knew they would be at war with ISIS if the SAA were to collapse, many groups which are allies now and in the past will be enemies tommorow, and they know this very well. When westerners look at these factions as if they are all one and the same, it hurts your legitimacey to those intimately involved with the conflict form the start.

>>32313493
>If i were to talk to my mom about Syria she would say "oh yes, how terrible.. poor children"
yes, and underneath the captions would say that those children were like ages 4 or 18 months old, which means that Syrians under siege and after a devastating six year civil war still have the resources and foresight to produce children for the occasion.

Really gets the noggin buzzing.

>>32313476
Zinki is present there, Nusra is present there. I hope we can at least agree on that.

Now read a random current article about Aleppo. The overall narrative is that its sad, even a shame for the west, that these guys are losing their pocket and their hold over all the civilians right now.

>>32312091
Khan-sheeh and Khanakir and that other tiny pocket "Masayiah"?

All the jihadis are moving to Idlib

>>32313462
Sorry to tell you Anon, but we share a strange "hobby". Most normies don't give a fuck about Syria.

>>32312830

He better kill some more then, because the infrastructure is in even worse shape than the population now.

>>32313541
But most of them left the country to enrich europe.

>>32313541
I think Assad is more than aware of that, do you really think he views most of the population he rules as nothing more than pawns?

>>32313490
Pro Assad terrorists executing civilians != Syrian peoples forces executing regime officials that tortured and killed indiscriminately.

The whole fucking discussion was about civilians, and both sides executing civilians. Nether of us know whether the people Nusra killed were just simple civilians or regime officials or families of regime officials that did some shit or something else that would explain their killing. And nether of us knows whether the people SAA or Hezbollah killed were just simple civilians or rebel officials or families of rebel officials that did some shit or something else that would explain their killing.

>>32313495
This probably. In a way, the arab/muslim world need its world war too to develop.

As big of a propoganda win is for the SAA with Aleppo, realistically I don't think it's going to hurry the war up in any capacity. Until they can actually make a push into Idlib, the war is far from over.

>>32313518
Yeah, like when a plane crashes, people always say "it is such a tragic thing, well expect for that guy who was a rapist, that one who was in jail for three times,...".

>>32313607
>Nether of us know whether the people Nusra killed were just simple civilians or regime officials or families of regime officials
All of these are civilians.

What I can tell you is that 150,000 East Aleppoans left East Aleppo without beinf executed. Only the final few who stuck with Al-Nusra and friends to the end are executed.
That makes me EXTREMELY suspicious of if these "civilians" are civilians or non-uniformed terrorists.

>>32313607
or even if it happened
we know about the Nusra killings because they taped them themselves.
All I've heard about the SAA killings has been from Nusra linked sources

>>32313621
I disagree.

Once Aleppo is completely pacified, the SAA will retake Palmyra, and then they'll be able to focus on Homs + East Ghouta.

This war is strategically finished.

>>32313493
>>32313533
Naw, just naw. It would be also present in the ones interested in the syria conflict, but it simply aint the case, well beside that one vatnik i once met.

>>32313653
Yeah, but Idlib is extremely unfavorable terrain for them. And I'm not sure they have the manpower at this point to stage a large scale offensive for an entire province.

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>weapons left behind by opo fighters, eastern Aleppo
might be relevant to you /k/nuckleheads
Also, is that StGw44?

>>32310335
more likely that they are StGs seized by the French after WWII and then used in North Africa during the war in Algeria. After French defeat the Algerians took them, and from there they trickle through black markets and end up in Syria.

Imagine all the conflicts those weapons have seen. A fascinating journey for sure.

>>32313653
We all know what will happen:
>>32307102
>>32307176

>>32313692
Didn't Russia give a shit ton to Syria in the 1950s as well?

>>32313673
It sure is.

>>32313673
>StGw44?
Could be, could be a jugo rip off.

Whats up with all those shotguns?

>>32313667
They have the manpower.

Remember early this year when Hezz sweeped Al-Eis and Nusra all the way to the highway?

Now they'll have Shia + SAA and airstrikes.

>>32313673
Yes

Tbf, SAA + NDF left a lot of shit for ISIS

>>32313699
Good point, I hadn't considered that route. I only know about the Algeria connection because I've just been reading about the war there.

>>32313693
No civil war has continued permanently

>>32313716
https://youtu.be/6EsCle4ooM0

Rebels found a stash of barely used ones back in 2012. Apparently the soviets and Yugos sold their stores to Syria etc back in the 70s/80s.

>>32313726
No offense, but that was pretty autistic.

>>32313711
Well, I suppose we'll end up finding out eh?

>>32313753
>my dream garage

>>32313667
We will see how much force the rebels have left there.

I suspect the territory get cut into pockets easily and then a longer grind for those points of interest will beginn.

>>32313286
Does anyone here read Russian , what books are those? Yes I am mildly interested in the reading habits of Russian grunts.

>>32313753
Imagine the value...

>>32313807
Probably have T-90s rolling over them by now while vatniks scream about defeating nazis like great grandpa.

>>32313799
>Capturing Palmyra for Dummies
>Why is there so much sand in the desert?-A children book
>Star Wars-Sand people (some russian scribble in the corner: Wrong sand people, book is useless)

>>32313799
One of them is titled a blue dove for the princess. Ita a beautiful book written in poems .

Worth the reading 5 times.

>>32303389
>Spend months laying infrastructure after the Iraq invasion
>IS rolls up and those fucking savages tear it all up to extort their neighbours for scrap
>Go back and repair it
>See lines I fucking laid, cut up on the street
>Kurds are the only ones who preserved their gifted infrastructure

The rest can burn

>>32308739
>surrendering to jihadis

What did they expect? Better to eat your gun then surrender to those crazy bastards.

>>32313915
Maybe they believed the propaganda about the moderate rebels.

>>32313173

Add to this that they might be getting to the end of their oil resources. Difficult to do without, when oil revenues represent 45% of your GDP...

Sauce :
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950921001287

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>>32303489

Because they're brainwashed by the globalists. The globalists are using the Saudis as pawns to spread Wahabbism, which helps them to bring about their ultimate goal: a race war/civil war/WW3. This will kill millions of people, leave entire countries in ruins, leave the survivors hating their neighbors instead of the people behind everything, and give them the ability to seize power and establish a global feudal state.

>>32314133
>they are brainwashed screamed the brainwashed the loudest
its pottery

>>32313673

Strange amount of shotguns, they aren't a common weapon in war

/k/, what percentage of the rebels are ISIS/al-nusra/Islamists? Not a troll, just uninformed.

>>32314175
I would imagine they are useful in urban environment for room/building clearing.

>>32314175
Wondered too, but probaly those are former civilian weapons, either for hunting or more likely home defense in a rather insecure country, which simply where used since they had them. Still could have some use, as blindly shooting around a corner in close combat, or just scaring the enemy when one of the buckshots hits something near the enemy. But you are right, they are not really common or in that matter useful weapons in war.

>>32314189

Not any more than an automatic weapon, especially when facing automatic fire in return

>>32314184
Hard to say, not so much in the beginning, after the conflict got worse, a lot of moderate rebels fled the country since they saw no victory, leaving the battlefield to the fanatics and forgein jihadis who kept pouring into the country.

>>32311491

>Implying those Jihadis don't approve of Holocaust 1.0

>>32314263
They do, but they are smart enough to realize that this gives them the sympathy of the west.

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>>32314184

with ISIS counting, my estimate is around 95%

without ISIS, i say 65%

i have no doubt, IF the rebels ever would overthrow Assad, they would turn sooner or later to full-jihad state - sure some infighting about power and all, but i dont see any reason the """"moderates"""" had a chance against groups like JFS - not in manpower and not even close in fighting morale/-skill

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>>32314275

thats btw my biggers flaw at the FSA.

they made a pact with the fucking DEVIL to get rid off a VARMINT

how stupid can you get

>>32314184

Don't have the link anymore, but I remember reading that a U.S General told the Congress that only 5% of the «rebels» could be considered moderate opposition. It seems very low though.

>>32314275
>>32314184
Depending on who is in Charge of the area up to 100%.

They switch sides and factions all the time. There are some hardcore muslims, but even with IS most of them are just fighting to get paid.

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Someone please bake new BREAD

People in Leppo are hungry

BREAD WHEN

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>>32313799
The black one is James Haley Chase, vol.25, apparently includes "Silence of the dead".
The blue one is a sci-fi novel called "External Threat" by Alexei Fomichev, according to the synopsis it's set in the Eastern front during WW2 (figures).
The others cannot be identified, obviously. Someone drop them a message to flip them over and refilm.

>>32314375
All bakeries were destroyed. No more bread.

>>32314271

Dude that game was great.

>>32314415

>Yet another war crime

>>32314395
Found it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safer_Dead
It's a detective story.

>>32308739
Karma's a bitch, motherfuckers!

>>32313699
The Middle East is filled with surplus WW2 stock.

>>32314594
I want to go there just to look for some awesome STGs

>>32306732
LIQUIDATED

>>32314184
90-95% nowadays

Well looks like they've finally officially called it a day, the remaining rebels don't want to stick around and die in their last few blocks of city after all and are taking the bus out
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38308883
>military actions in eastern Aleppo are over
>deal for rebels to leave to take place within hours

So how long before the other remaining pockets that have been largely static start getting smashed?
Surely some decent reinforcements are on their way to stop IS having too much of a party at Palmyra, just a question of which other pockets will come first on the hitlist for all that manpower and resources leaving Aleppo in the next couple of days.

>>32314133
>2017
>the new world order meme
/pol/ pls

I just want to say that considering the odds they face, ISIS is doing something fucking amazing.

I hope they all die. But I respect the fight they've put up against US/Russia/Iraq/SAA/and Western coalition.

These fuckers are somehow stonewalling the Kurds, Americans, and Iraqis in East Mosul while holding Al-Bab, bloodying the Kurds north of Raqqa, and taking Palmyra.

>>32315019
The focus will be

1. Palmyra
2. East Ghouta
3. East of Aleppo/West of Aleppo

>>32315063
most of them just don't give a fuck when they face death. That's a pretty big issue

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>>32314784
Don't ride a motorcyle.