Middle east general / Syria war. ISIS inside Palmyra edition

>>32289987
>You are blocked from following @RamiAILoIah and viewing @RamiAILoIah's Tweets.

what's that dumb cuck saying?

>>32290060
Probably cheering.

>>32290060
Its a video of ISIS fags strutting around Palmyra. The red Ruskie blokpost sign is from that vid

Didn't they say that SAA was moving 10-11k soldiers to palmyra

>>32290066
to be expected

>>32290075
I heard they already got removed, what did IS do, bus in a few beardos for a psy-op?

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>>32290086

>SAA 10-11k soldiers

>>32290099
>what did IS do, bus in a few beardos for a psy-op?
If the pics are to be believed a bunch of armor and god knows how much small arms/ammo. What a fucking blunder

>>32290179
what is this, a jihad for ants?

>>32290236
fuck me

I've heard a smattering of rumors on twitter of fighting ongoing near T4.
But I don't have an hard evidence yet, if anyone has anything solid.

When is Russia going to deploy 100,000 soldiers into Sryia?

>>32290346
if latakia or assad gets threatened. which it won't. that's russia's only concern, their base + proxy.

>>32290279
https://twitter.com/Levant_War/status/808041109960134656

>>32290161
>>32290179
>>32290201
>>32290268
why do they let their equipment get captured instead of destroying it?

>>32290454
Because they're cowards who will flee as quickly as possible
It takes time to destroy these

>>32290454
They bloew up all the ammunitions stored in the city.
They weren't able to destroy the heavy equipment on time, it seems.

>>32290454
Shit training.
Shit morale.

>>32290454
Inbred dune coons
http://video.jkikki.de/v/dtd11122016.mp4

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Loyalist militia "Qalamoun Shield" (most recently called to defend Maardes in N Hama) dispatched to support regime forces at Palmyra

>>32290488
>inb4 video of them all being ambushed in the desert

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>>32290454

>>32290539
Tiger Forces incoming?

>>32290108
They have like 100k in and around Aleppo...

>>32290863
Buddy the ISIS attack consisted of 300 guys.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Syrian_Army#Tanks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Army#Syrian_Civil_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_Syria

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#2015

just posting this in the hope that it gives people a little idea of how much the various factions backing Assad have available in manpower and equipment, some of it is from last year and since it's wikipedia don't trust on it being super accurate.

http://syria.liveuamap.com also this link sends you to an updated map.

http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2016/11-december-syria-rebels-still-inside-umayyad-mosque-in-old

top kek this guy is still alive and hes taunting saa.

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https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/808065480518987778
The Perimeter of T4 Air Base is under attack

>>32290998
300 reinforcements from Iraq. There's still the guys that were already there

>>32291528
ofc they won't "ceasefire", just like SAA did in Aleppo.

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Mission accomplished!

So the SAA just pulled a Ramadi?

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>>32292137
>it was all the American's fault!

>>32292137
If that is true and the US forces pulled such a thing.. why the fuck wouldn't the russians/syrians not get alarmed by it and send their own recon to that area? They have drones and planes and shit.. they even could have sent some sandniggers with binos and a jeep.

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>>32292137
>Disrupted VHF radios via satellite

That's not even physically possible. Whoever wrote that was a fucking moron.

>>32292460
Easy, because it's not true, and it's someone making up bullshit after the fact.

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>>32292137
>radar and VHF jamming via satellite

That would be some seriously spooky Electronic Warfare capability if it were true

>>32292137
>Disrupting VHF via satellite

Now this is a person who doesn't realize their use of buzzwords has completely discredited their claim.

>>32292137
Russian butthurt is fucking beautiful

RUSSIA COULDN'T EVEN MAINTAIN CONTROL OF A SHITTY DESERT SHANTY TOWN THAT WAS THE CENTERPIECE OF THEIR PROPAGANDA DESPITE HAVING AN OVERWHELMING SUPERIORITY IN FIREPOWER, YOU. CAN'T. MAKE. THIS. SHIT. UP.

Meanwhile the based Western coalition has maintained control of everything, no set backs, slow but steady steamroller

>>32292643
>Make up bullshit claim
>Claim Russia is butthurt based on this bullshit claim you made up
Post your face when Aleppo will be free soon enough.

>>32292693
good, let the asspain flow through you

>>32292714
Posted from moderate civilian hospital under siege.

>>32292693
Which is of course nothing vatniks and russboos would to do to begin with. It feels more like you are butthurt about your favorite vile behaviour is used by others for once and you think it is your copyright protected signature move.

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>>32289987

>>32290454
Most Arab armies cannot into effective modern warfare so they don't understand the tactical value of scuttling you're equipment in case of capture. Shit, at least ISIS leaves booby-traps in every nook and cranny before they lose ground and withdraw!

>>32292643
The fuck are you even on about?

>>32293012
Towelhead sympathiser is compensating for the loss of Aleppo. Nothing to see here.

>>32293076
More like /sg/ cant handle the non echo chamber climate on /k/, better creep back to safe space /pol/ and whine about how /k/ was sooo mean again.

>>32290863
>100k
lol

>>32289987
Wait, ISIS took Palmyra again? Damn, I gotta follow these threads more often. What happened to that Russian outpost, did they retreat or did they fight to the last man?

>>32293365
The Russian garrison left in full, then 48 hours later ISIS launched the offensive.

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>>32289987
FUCK, I was hoping the Ruskies and Syrians had repelled them. Looks like they came back in greater force.

>>32293427
They didn't even fight? What a bunch of pussies. Surely Moscow could have re-tasked some air support to break up that attack...

>>32293440
RuAF was bombing ISIS but it didn't stop them

>>32289987
What site is that map?

>>32293440
Russia did sixty-four fucking airstrikes in just over a single day

ISIS kept coming

>>32294067
liveuamap.com

Literally HOW did they retake Palmyra with all those massive airstrikes from the RuAF?
I know the Russian garrison left the city like 2 days before the offensive started, but what the fuck?

That's Assad and Russia for you.

They don't have the resources to fight on multiple fronts, so ISIS just brute-forced its way into Palmyra in spite of Russia bombing them.

>>32294487
Russia was probably using dumb bombs again and didn't hit anything

>>32294211
Did the russian started to declare every single bomb dropped as an airstrike again?

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>>32294487
Blame the SAA of NDF that ran away

You can bomb the fuck out of them all you like but to take a city you need infantry

I wonder if Russia or Iran will give up on Syria because it is retarded shit like this that keeps happening over and over and over again. I'm sure they're sick of sending their young men to die in some dusty shithole, while the disorganised native forces shit themselves and can't even hold a small easially defensible city against a bunch of monkeys with AKs

>>32295127

Well, they sure as hell aren't going to be doing it any longer than the US did.

>Crumbling ISIS still retaking towns from Assad forces despite the massive Russian/Iranian assistance

kek what a bunch of incompetents. It's like another nakba!

>>32291615
under rated post

>>32289987
>newfags

Your title is wrong as well

>>32291615
Hasn't been taken.

Allegedly Isis Bosnian member at Palmyra.

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I've seen Isis claims that their offensive for palmyra was anywhere from 120 to 300 men. Well that's obviously bullshit considering there was 800 ndf, 250 SAA and some Russians there. Something like 15 vbieds were used and the SAA claim armor as well and anywhere from 2000 to 3000 Isis. Reasonable considering they attacked from 3 points. Now what happened no one seems to fucking know. SAA claimed the ndf were bribed, ndf claim the Russians booked it and didn't tell anyone which spooked them Isis claims ~300 dead ndf but only posted pictures of loot and no bodies so who the fuck knows. What I know now is Isis is dangerously close to the t4 and reinforcements are on route

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>>32296334
>I've seen Isis claims that their offensive for palmyra was anywhere from 120 to 300 men. Well that's obviously bullshit considering there was 800 ndf, 250 SAA and some Russians there. Something like 15 vbieds were used and the SAA claim armor as well and anywhere from 2000 to 3000 Isis.

Well the Iraqi military dropped all of their weapons and fled Mosul when only 800 ISIS members rolled up. I wouldn't doubt that the Syrian military is just as shitty as the Iraqi one, especially considering that they would have lost the war long ago without Russian and Iranian support.

How long until all of the major cities and ports are under the regime's control?

>>32296334
It's probably closer to 1000.

But remember that 500 ISIS guys routed Iraqis in Ramadi last year.

Meh, Aleppo is finished. Ghoutas fell. Khan-sheeh fell. Multiple smaller pockets near Damascus fell as well.
Palmyra will be retaken in a few days.
This war is ending faster than many anons realize.

>>32296398
Unless you consider Raqqa or Idlib as major, probably 2 weeks.

The guerilla war will continue for god knows how long.

>>32296437
Two province capitals are pretty major lol

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>>32296334
To add to this its claimed Isis has a lot of new man power that came from Iraq and will now focus on tear assing around Syria again so this is gonna get nasty real quick. If they can end Aleppo soon (they just took shiek saeed) then you can bet your ass the Tigers and Hawks will be down there to duke it out. The plan maybe to just do a massive land grab for Large parts of Homs and Hama. Who the fuck knows though

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>>32296378
Well considering the Russians have been involved for a year and the Iranians 2 I'd say you're wrong. There is one of you in every thread claiming the Iranians and the Russians were there from day one. They fact is they made a decent showing of themselves for an Arab army, and the flood of arms from the Sunni powers were and influx of foreign fighters were there from very early on. The SAA tended not to run like the Iraqis and some ndf have made a good show of themselves but a lot don't do very well when the pressure is on but they are militia and that's what you get with militia.

I think the Russian expenditure alone for their intervention was like half a billion USD. Not sure how much Iran has spent, but I seriously doubt any more than that.

Compare that to the hundreds of millions, maybe a few billion, the US and the Gulf states have collectively spent on trying to overthrow Assad.

Good God

>>32296343
Yes I've seen that it's from a Bosnian Isis member who took part in the assault but you have to remember Isis doesn't tell the truth all of the time and numbers tend to be fucked with a lot on both sides

>>32290454

Better yet, WHY DONT THEY MAN THE EQUIPMENT, POINT THE GUNS TOWARDS THE ENEMY AND POSSIBLY FUCKING OPEN FIRE

>>32296701
Yeah a lot of people don't get that the Russians are going the cheap route and Iran is throwing more money or at least equal money at Iraq for the time being. The Russians only use fancy shit occasionally just to make sure we do t forget they have cruise missles and guided munitions

>>32296709
The ndf may have been bribed, I have heard that floating around. Considering Isis pictures of loot and no bodies it's a possibility. That being said no one fucking knows what happened other than it was chaotic as fuck. I'm not even sure the SAA/ndf that were actually there know what the fuck happened

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>>32296652
>That pic
>Not knowing Mark's face by heart

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>>32293440

The Russian air force does not have Close Air Support capability. They are essentially no more capable when they were in the 1980s in Afghanistan.

Only able to bombard static, pre-determined and often outdated targets.

They don't even have a fraction of the US surveillance and long range strike capabilities, unable to detect an attack in the open fucking desert.

This is going to be extremely humiliating for Russians, after that ridiculous ceremony in the Amphitheater. Surely, ISIS is now going to blow it the fuck up.

Getting routed by some fucking irregulars in pick-up trucks, holy shit, what a disgrace and appalling sign of weakness.
Russia confirmed for Third World tier force.

>>32290863
Aleppo has been liberated you fucking newfag

Lurk more

>>32295127

Yeah, I'd be getting pretty fucking weary of an "ally" like Syria by now, and looking to get the fuck out of that place as quietly as possible.

It's clear the Syrians don't deserve victory, they have to rely on ONE unit to do any work on the ground. That simply is not tenable.

>>32296784
How do you know ISIS will be in Palmyra for the long haul or they'll even survive for a few months? They only retook Palmyra in the last few days.

>>32296334

I'm willing to believe it was no more than 300 ISIS sand nigs.

Yes, the SAA and Russia are THAT shit.

>>32296834
Overconfidence and hubris does that to you. They thought driving them out was a done deal.

Everyone and their mother was focusing on Aleppo all this time.

>>32296765
>I'm not even sure the SAA/ndf that were actually there know what the fuck happened

Yeah, there's an exact word for that. A ROUTE.

Of course they have no fucking idea what's going on, they panicked and fled. You're not going to develop a coherent picture of the situation when you're literally running as fast as you can in the direction opposite from the enemy.

>>32296855
>Overconfidence

That has nothing to do with it. The SAA simply lacks men and units that can stand their ground under direct contact with the enemy. There's 1-2 units and one of them is a mercenary force (Desert hawks).

>>32296802
No there is still a pocket in Aleppo

>>32296861
Well considering it took 2 days there should be a clearer picture than there is.

>>32296883
The tigers aren't really SAA per say either and there is the 4th armored, some ndf are pretty good considering there are like 60 ndf units to choose from ranging from Druze women, literally Han Solo tier Latakia smugglers, nationalist Ba'athists, Sunni tribes and lord knows who else

>>32296784
>This is going to be extremely humiliating for Russians, after that ridiculous ceremony in the Amphitheater. Surely, ISIS is now going to blow it the fuck up.

FUCK

DONT YOU DARE YOU GOAT FUCKERS I SWEAR I WILL GO OVER THERE MYSELF

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>>32297142
I mean there are lots of SAA units we just don't hear about though. The SAA fights in Latakia (who's commanders are apparently incompetent and not that well regarded) Homs, Hama, Aleppo, Daraa, and quneitra pretty much daily and you can bet your ass that's not entirely held together by the ndf/pmu's.

On a different note did y'all hear about the units of Chechens Putin is sending down? They look like some mean mother fuckers

Who should I be rooting for in this clusterfuck?

Looking at any news this morning. I don't have much. Step posting a midnight claim JAI repelled a SAA attack originating from M5 into the eastern Ghouta pocket plus some Ruaf airstrikes in southern Aleppo.

Fronts to watch:
-eastern Aleppo pocket collapse,how long will this last stand last?

-IS eastern Homs/T4/eastern Homs front lines

-YPG/SDF advancing some on northern Raqqa with US air support as usual

-Turkish FSA still on the outskirts of Al Bab

-assorted fronts like Latakia, Darra. Deir Ezzor and eastern Ghouta

tl;dr bumping the thread

>>32297823
the people killing the jihadis, providing us with the most entertaining Liveleaks
so mostly Ivan and Assad

>>32297889
Works for me.

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>>32296815
Well I mean 3, desert Hawks, Tigers, 4th armored. You have the real hezzbollah too. There are Syrian units we just don't hear about because the SAA and ndf are more on Facebook groups than Twitter. Twitter is more of an FSA medium. The Syrian marines are still a force and the air force intelligence has ground troops that supposedly do spooky shit, and some various other armored/ mechinized units that have been gutted.

Egypt is started to get involved on assads side due to their large shift away from the Saudis do in no small part because of the Saudis warming views on the Muslim brotherhood and they aren't seeing eye to eye with turkey these days.

Say what you will no one is keeping numbers on foriegn fights with the "FSA" the only numbers I've ever found were for Isis and I think it's safe to say no one really knows their man power at all. Iraq and Syria are massive sectarian proxy wars but not nessicarily proxy wars on the ground as Some Sunnis are in the pmu's and the Iraqi army and fight with Assad. For fucks sake look at the amount of men and armor that turkey has put into northern Aleppo. There are AT LEAST 300 ground troops and 100 vehicles (that's conservative) including Leo 2's.

"Syria as an ally" as you put it is fighting the brunt of a massive power struggle and it is important for Russia/Iran/Iraq/ & now Egypt to see that Assad stays in power and the state remains somewhat stable.

This is why I stopped coming to these threads because you have to explain all this shit every 5 seconds and even when you do people either don't listen or pipe up with the same bullshit 2 seconds later

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>>32297897
Assad bros have top tier banter FSA Twitter is literally glad handing Isis or "50 civilians die every day, last hospital, muh gas attacks, muh white helmets" non fucking stop

>>32292643
>Meanwhile the based Western coalition has maintained control of everything, no set backs, slow but steady steamroller
Jeb please.

>>32297825
The sdf/ypg finally got some atgm love from the us finally. Obama said fuck it and green lit it

>>32297959
why do they think medical masks would save them from Chemical weapons? Are they that stupid?

>>32297993
It's obviously bullshit because #1 it won't
#2 no one else is even trying to pretend with them as the picture points out. Western "journalists" eat that shit up though

>>32297825
>Ruaf airstrikes in southern Aleppo
Really? I'd be a little surprised at that since I thought they'd stopped doing anything in Aleppo a while ago and were leaving it to SAA+AF to handle largely on their own, with just a few advisors left to try and herd everyone in the right direction. Why RuAF would feel the need to get involved again seems a bit of a mystery, especially with the habbedings elsewhere and Aleppo looking like it's firmly going one direction, unless I've just misread the reports that they had moved their aircraft away from Aleppo.

That's what you get when spending most of your resources bombing civilians instead of real terrorists

>>32292643

You do realize the "west" backed mudslimes are al-qaeda and ISIS affiliates who just lost Allepo?

>>32292137
>Disrupted VHF radios via satellite

haha what the fuck, is this stuff satire or what

>>32298087
The fuck are you on about they did a ~17 day cease fire to try and get civilians out and that was that

>>32298093
The amount of pro "FSA" in these threads now is disturbing literally all of "FSA" Twitter was cheering Isis on in palmyra, talking about Isis as devout brothers etc, claiming the wests hatred for them is propaganda. Considering the amount they've shot at each other I'm surprised their aren't more hard feelings

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>>32292137

>>32298139
Yeah that's floating around, though a more credible word floating around is that is uav's were in the area and did nothing. It wouldn't surprise me if we were keeping an eye on things and considering the amount of msm stuff saying "don't defeat Isis just yet" idk what obamas plans for Isis really were. Hopefully trump really intends to bomb them to the Stone Age and get our boys away from working with the "FSA" monkeys who call our boys Christian whores and stupid shit like that

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>>32296784
>>32296834
>>32296855
I will end with this, Isis couldn't have taken and hold onto this much territory with 300 men, along with making a direct attempt at the t4 today. It's not possible considering reinforcements are there and even the pro SAA people are saying a counter attack will take time because of the number of Isis in the area. It's not surprising as this area has been hot for a while and Isis was going to strike somewhere. Say what you want but there are minimum of 500 but If I had to guess this sounds like a force of atleast 1000 if not more. The desert is fuck huge and mountainous so gathering up a force that large isn't out of the question this is Isis clay and has been for years.

>tfw not having fun blowing up Isis vbied

http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1481489314997.webm

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>>32297783
>>32297142
An interesting read about different units obscure ones included. No idea how credible it is though

http://www.aymennjawad.org/2016/08/bibliography-pro-assad-militias

>>32298543
I believe Charles lister had something to do with that so I take it with a grain of salt but it is interesting

>>32298543
Nvm different article than I thought>>32298578

Thanks for the link anon

>>32298527
American volunteer with the Kurds?

>>32298667
more like spec ops I think this is the one that the french milan miss but got btfo of javelin

>>32298527
kek literally some cod shit right there

Where is even 300 men comes from? All I heard that 300 ISIS fighters were destroyed. Overall there was definitely more

>>32296861
>Yeah, there's an exact word for that. A ROUTE.

Fucking english stealing french words and its not even the good one. This is why there are so many false friend.

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will we still have a middle east general focused on syria in 10 years?

>>32298851
Since the the battle of Thermopylae 300 has become a magical number that can do anything.

>>32298851
From Isis themselves my good man.

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So, after SAA finishes Aleppo (there is not much left), will they rush to Palmyra?

>>32299132
Even that is a meme, people never give the 700 thespian auxilliaries any credit.

>>32299190
I'd assume that they already sent some of the Tiger forces and other "good" units down there. That tiny pocket can be finished off by their hordes of Shia militia just as well.

>>32299190
What's the point really? As far as I understand the town was only retaken so the Russians could score a propaganda win.

Most of their forces should move on Idlib on do a landgrab on Isis around Al Bab I'm guessing.

>>32299219
Pure military thinking: Yes.

But its not only important propaganda for the russians, the syrians see Palmyra and these ruins there as very important, so capturing it (and holding it) is equally important for Assad.

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Damn, brings me back to Assassin's Creed.

>>32296319
Yes it has.

>>32299219
Palmyra was needed to control oil and gas fields, as well as a staging point to Deir ez-Zor and Raqqa offensive. But the SAA was not able to perform any of the tasks in the region, so they decided to focus on closing pockets first.

>>32299209
Qalamoun Shield forces have been sent from Hama, and someone already commented that the Desert Hawks are also on their way.

>>32299219
Because, even if the city have few specific strategic values for the SAA, and which they didnt even employ in their fullest, with ISIS holding it now it can only goes downhill for the Government side; ISIS forces will quickly spread again like plague against the isolated cities and villages in the Homs desert, that the SAA spent so much time and efforts to retake, like Qaryatain. Not just that, ISIS presence in the outskirts deserts of Damascus would probably increase again.

On that topic: ISIS is attacking the T4 base and his outskirts right now.

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>>32296802

Liberated by Assad, the ruthless dictator who has killed tens of thousands of innocent people.

Some improvement in the situation.

>>32299243
did they have a lot of satelite dishes in AC you faggot?

>>32299657
Yes, they were called templars.

Here's a question for /k/.

What happens to the regime when the Iranian and Russian fighters supporting it leave?

>>32299695
It collapses and turns into ISIS 2.0: Eccentric Boogaloo

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give it a few more hours and Aleppo will officially be free

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>>32299651
Sometimes its not that fun being unable to recognize Irony over the inter

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Breaking of IS taking the Tiyas mountain near T4 airbase. Heavy fighting/airstrikes are ongoing there all day. There are Russian service members in T4.

>>32299893
how well defended is T4?

>>32299932
One of the best defended places in Syria i'd imagine.

>>32299932
Precisely is unknown, but it have some small outposts all around it that I presume serve as primary defensive lines, and are almost certainly defended by NDF troops.
Unfortunately, if 5 Stars report is true, that ISIS already is in the Tiyas mount, then ISIS is already some 2 km away from the base itself.

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>>32299932
It's a fortress like Deir Ezzor airbase is. IS has attacked T4 at least 3 times during this war. The last attack famously burned down 10 attack helicopters.

Map shows it's abandon battalion mountain, not Tiyas.

>>32296784
I kinda hope they blow it up just so Russia gets butthurt

T4 in itself has probably quite a big garrison, and now everyone who came from Palmyra is there as well as the guys coming from Homs/Hama and Aleppo too.

Step reporting ongoing IS attack at the south east perimeter of T4 airbase.

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>>32300037
Map of attack points

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Pic is crates from a Russian state export company. IS captured new ammunition in Palmyra along with all those tanks. This is the good stuff.

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>>32300197
To be fair IS also captured loads of weapons and ammo in Mosul during the IA failed hospital attack. I think brand new Russian ammo is relevant to IS in Palmyra though.

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>>32300304
Also crates of grenades in Palmyra, I am not sure what type.

Now that Aleppo is practically kaput I think a good portion of SAAs offensive units should meet ISIS in force to basically say fuck off. It would suck major balls if they spend again few weeks dealing with ISIS around this meme city. Land grab around Al Bab and or push into Idlib is much more time worthy. If ISIS blows shit up again in Palmyra the Ruskies can cry about how the international community aint doing enough to stop ISIS win-win

Alarming reports of IS on the perimeter of T4 airbase. AJA claims they have breached the perimeter. Step claims IS controls the SAM site's next to the base.

>>32300313
The type that go boom, clearly fragmentation.

>>32299704
Why didn't it collapse 2011-2013 then?

>>32300388
Are there SAMs left at that site that could threaten Russian aircraft, or did they remove that equipment before they retreated?

>>32300434
Hard to believe, but the rebels are just as (or even more) retarded and incompetent than the government.

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>>32300373
Or just leave ISIS alone. Hold them back as best can be done.

Politically it makes more sense to go for the FSA.

If you leave ISIS alive you can easily justify Russian/Iranian presence while dealing with FSA

ISIS creates a fog in the mind of the western populous, easy to use them as a boogyman to distract from operations against FSA

Then, once FSA is routed, and inevitably large number of fighters move from FSA to ISIS, you can go full retard on ISIS and no one will care.

Because if you break ISIS, then many ISIS fighters will shift to FSA and then you have problems.
>you have to go softly softly with FSA

So focus cleaning up FSA, and then end the war with attrition based warfare against ISIS in the desert... TOS, cluster munitions, WP... no one will care.

Frankly, you could drop mustard gas on an isolated ISIS position in the desert and Trump would probably send cigars.

>>32298711
No, that's a volunteer.

>>32300373
They retake Palmyra in a few weeks. It is overall irrelevant unless T-4 falls.

Finishing off Aleppo is what matters the most. It's essentially what would end any chance for the rebels to win.

>>32300449
Basically this.

I think its even possible that the current advance of ISIS (or better, the lack of defense) is just as Damascus wants.

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>>32300468
why is T4 so important?

Big ammo dump?

If its just a dominant position, well then Russia has a nice big new target... hard to miss an airfield.

>>32300468
Very likely. IS will dig in, mine the area, maybe demolish some more ruins in the meantime, but overall they can't hope to hold the area for a long time with Raqqa being under threat. (Apparently the attacking forces came from there, so now the kurds up in the North could make some advances)

>>32300483
One of the largest air base fortresses in Syria, probably a huge ammo cache and staging point too. If ISIS took T4 that'd be really bad.

>>32300435
SAMs were long removed ( I would hope so)

>>32300483
Its a huge airbase in central syria. That alone makes it important.

It probably has huuuuuge arsenals of everything an army could wish for.

It also would be a devastating signal (politically speaking) if SAA (and russians who are present there apparently) would lose that airbase so easily.

Some places can't be allowed to fall into enemies hands if you want to maintain at least a minimum image of professionalism. Losing a place like T4 is for the SAA like losing Aleppo for the rebels.

>>32300490
sure they are not just fresh in from Iraq?

Snails pace and well documented push is suspicious.

I am not saying that the Americans would be coordinating, but it would make sense for them... you know; never attack an enemy without leaving them an avenue of retreat

>>32300499
>probably a huge ammo cache
It's the biggest one in all of Syria. The SAA used T4 as the main ammo dump if they went to war with Israel.

>>32300527
The route from Mosul to Raqqa or Syria in general is closed by Iraqi units. Maybe a couple of guys could slip through, but i doubt a rather large force could do this.

But maybe i'm mistaken, i just read somewhere the main part of the attackers came from the Raqqa area but in the end it doesn't matters.

>>32300533
>>32300524
>>32300499

shieeet

Surely the SAA has a QRF formation
>SURELY!!!

101st, 102nd infantry? 104th Airborne?

>>32300569
4th armored division is deployed in and around Damascus.

If i were in charge they would have been in that area yesterday already.

Who knows what the SAA high command does though.

Speaking of that.. do we have actual informations who is really planing their operations? Assad himself probably not.. at least not in detail, so who is responsible for what they are doing there? Russian Generals? Iranian Generals?

>>32300569
I mean they are all in Aleppo so if Russia was going to intervene now would be the time.

>>32300524
Aleppo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T4 >>>>>>>>>>>>> East Ghouta >>>>> West Ghouta >>>>>>>> Khan-Sheeh > Palmyra

SAA loses T4 and life goes on. FSA loses Aleppo and they have no chance of winning or even getting peace.

>>32290467
>They weren't able to destroy the heavy equipment on time, it seems.
Gee, pouring a little bit of diesel in crew compartment and light it up is so fucking time consuming i guess.

>>32300595
>FSA loses Aleppo and they have no chance of winning or even getting peace.

I don't really see that. Even with full controll of Aleppo they had never a chance of winning. They will lose even faster now, but overall it changes nothing for them. They still have Idlib though.

>>32298667

kinda nasal voice, and "OH SHIT" and "FUCK YEAHHHH"

100% American

Btw, kurds apparently continue their offensive towards raqqa as we speak.

>>32300590
>>32300591

I must remember to avoid elite units if I ever join a dictators army
>you will never see combat

>>32300634
Well, they fight kinda constantly in the Damascus area. Who do you think is putting pressure on these pockets all the time so they agree to be deported to Idlib?

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This is all that is left of eastern Aleppo. As far as T4 pro SAA sources say they have repelled IS t T4 but you know, they said the same thing about Palmyra. IS has closed in on the base at least.

>>32296701
CIA was getting 1 billion a year to arm rebels at points.

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>>32300657
This is the latest on T4.

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Anyone find it a strange coincidence that at the very precipice of taking Aleppo, ISIS decides to take away some of the victory by scoring brownie points in Palmyra?

If this isn't a sign that they are at least directed by the invisible American-Saudi-UK-Israeli hand, I don't know what is.

>>32300687
>If this isn't a sign that they are at least directed by the invisible American-Saudi-UK-Israeli hand, I don't know what is.

Not that this was a secret..

>>32300687

or maybe ISIS leaders aren't actually retards which is how they still exist to begin with

crazy i know

>>32300687
Fake news board

>>32300684
btw this looks like a classic pincer

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>>32292545
Revy is worst girl balalaika's where it's at

>>32300684
how can you defend that.

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>>32300684
I wonder who's behind this post?

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We can really see Aleppo being finished tomorrow lads.
Also Palmyra falling is such a perfect narrative moment for liberal media, holy shit. Mark my words, all news agencies will write how SAA prefers killing innocent children to fighting ISIS

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>>32292137
>Sources: I make a claim and I have no source

>>32296784
Nice b8 nigger but ill bite
They wherent even directly innvolved, SAA and NDF were

>>32300687
Or the commander in the area saw an opportunity. The man in charge has been running circles around SAA for a year. They saw troops leave, they probably had intel on what was left. And now they are just snowballing.

That said, if they do take T4, it would be the end of SAA presence in Eastern Syria. T4 is there last SAA position east of main N-S axis where they could organize and attack towards east. Also it is the home of Syrian Mig-25 and probably a whole lot of SAM's that will need to be destroyed which will take a lot of Russian time.

>>32300634
>>32300652
It's an Arab country. They have to keep their most loyal, best trained troops in the capital to secure it from any coup attempt.

>>32300847
Of course. And this is probably a wise move too. But now it would be the time to send some of these guys out to defend T4.

>>32300867
And what if Assad lets IS take T4 and then out of fucking nowhere a fuckload of Chemical weapons land on T4?

I mean Russians have sure a shitload of nasty stuff in their reservoirs, using some to clean that filth without damaging precious equipment?

Its like IS is some Dirtstain on your Bathroom tiles and then Comes Putin-Cleaning.co and uses Some nice Mustard Cilit bang on them.

Assad would be out of fire because he has given all of his C-Weapons and russia is sending a strong "we do what needs to be done to help our allies" signal.

Ist this even Remotely possible or just my imagination

>>32300896
>then out of fucking nowhere a fuckload of Chemical weapons land on T4?

Whats the point? To gas like 300-500 guys?
If he was about to do such a thing he could drop that stuff on Raqqa, Deir Ezzor or elsewhere and probably hit more of them. No need to lose Palmyra and T4 to do that.

>>32300909
yeah but T4 is no civilians right? so no werstern outcry?

>>32300964
They could use chemical weapons on an area completely devoid of even microscopic life and the West would still cry because they used chemical weapons

>>32301026
They could use the same tactics like the USA in Vietnam.

You know Completely surrounding a Village with chenical wea.... erm i mean agents for planttreatment and then say "Oupsydaisy we didnt know that wind could move our agent inside that NoNo zone" sorry guys.

>>32301041
You need to be 18 to post on this board.

Losing a firebase just to use it as a trap doesn't work when it's done in such as shit fashion. There is no formal spearhead to cut off.

>>32301041
Its in the desert, defoliators can't be used as an excuse.

>>32301071
Sand Treatment?

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>>32291615

oh you...

So I hear ISIS bribed people in charge of Palmyra, which is why they both fell back and left huge amounts of equipment.
A real shit show for the NDF.

Reading rainbow Jihadist?
He is saying basically this is it for him.

https://twitter.com/BilalKareem/status/808354660469850112

Are the Idlib rebels completely spent? Now would be a great time to strike Assad just about anywhere.

>>32301254
>you all blew it

lol, rip in pieces

>>32301254
heh, in his last message in the end he bitches at the factions outside the pocket saying '"ya blew it"

>>32301258
Give them a couple of days to gather forces before a final conclusion, but seeing how their last relief attack on Aleppo went (i.e. a bit of Grad barrages and nothing else) i assume they are pretty much spent. But we will see.

>>32300687
Lol what? ISIS can't be smart on their own? I admire ISIS in a darth Vader way. Clearly one of the most capable groups in the region strategy wise.

Have you seen this shit?
https://youtu.be/zgkRcwxidbE?t=54
I would like to remove "news part" and leave only combat footage.

does anyone have pics of the pick up with the old 18th century cannon in the back?

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How an army without surplus of religious fanatics can make use of VBIED's? They seem to be really effective and hard to counter

>>32301552
Remotely guided vehicles.

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>>32301552
These, loaded with red tracers, and I refuse to take no for an answer!
>We lazers now

>>32301668
As a counter-measure against VBIEDs, I mean. Kinda forgot to actually read your post.

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>>32301552

>>32301254
hope he doesnt die.

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>>32300012
Let's soften that edge

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>>32300687
>enemy is making huge gains on a distant front, and neglecting everywhere else
>so you push forward in another, weakened place to boost morale and capture strategic objectives
truly, a plan of this complexity was devised by the Hebrews

>>32301552
Same as guided missiles but with wheels/treads, although I doubt any military that can afford a consistent supply of guided missiles would bother with VBIED's (unless it's Russians defending their clay)

relatively confirm-able numbers of vehicles captured in Palmyra by ISIS
> 6 T-55s, 6 T-62s, 4 T-72s, 2 BMPs, 1 Shilka, 1 bm-21

Ending the same as I started. With not much. Pro SAA claim they retook the SAM sites south of T4. Various other battles Syrian wide. I'll have to pick up come morning updates. That said it's been a exciting day in the Syrian war. Like a soap opera to me.

>>32301792
If the crews had just sat in their seats Palmyra wouldn't have fallen.

>>32301869
Probably more equipment than crews at this point.

>>32300777
Because they left anon. They retreated.

>>32301869

The fact that they left early means they were ordered to leave, means that Russian command does not have high hopes of Russian forces meeting ISIS head on.

IS trying to storm airbase, but for now haven't achieved anything
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-repels-first-isis-assault-t-4-airbase-prepares-second-wave/

>>32300687

>enemy straight up abandoneds a post.
>dude lol if they attack it, its the EBIL AMERICANS!

Is this your brain on krokadil?

Is there any publicly available information on the order of battle of ISIS or the various Syrian rebel factions?

>>32301908
Russian command is trying to avoid 80's Afghanistan i think, because in this century they won't be able to hide casualties like they did it back then.

>>32301908
That, or Russia wanted them to take Palmyra

>>32301959
>Russian command is trying to avoid 80's Afghanistan i think
they clearly are, they are mostly focused on their near-abroad, and they have had a port in Tartus since Soviet times. The cards and set-up was agreeable for them to intervene, and barely do any fighting on the ground besides sending in technicians or special OPs.

Putin is clearly aware of the mistakes that occurred in Afghanistan and is very keen to get a moral and absolute success right now in Syria, which involves Assad coming out triumphant.

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Turkish Leopard 2A4 is hit with an ATGM. The rumours is saying little damage, crew minor injuries

>>32301959
>Russian command is trying to avoid 80's Afghanistan i think

US FOB's came under attack all the time.

Hell, in iraq, the US went straight into their DEN in fallujah and came out pretty fucking great considering the circumstances.

>>32302116
>that turret flip

MINOR CREW INJURIES

>>32302144
>that turret flip
where?

>>32302144
Wat are you memeing about?

Or are you just blind.

>>32302170
Or he's just baiting you

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>>32302276
Or am i....

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>>32295127
>Iran
>sick of sending their young men to die in some dusty shithole
>ever

No.

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2015 repeating itself, I'm speechless

>>32298092
this

assad must go

>>32301959
The plan was to mainly provide SAA with air support and non-combatants, e.g. minesweepers, medics, engineers etc. There are also some specops units nobody knows much about and FAC. SAA and Hezbollah provide the grunts. Unfortunately, with everyone's attention being focused on Aleppo, Palmyra was left in the hands of wog pogs who ran at the first hint of trouble. It seems like the weather favored the assaulters, their advance was hidden by the sandstorm. I guess when the defenders saw all those madmaxian vbieds emerge from the sand, they must've grabbed their favorite goats and fled.
A war with the sand people cannot be won with airstrikes alone, there have to be boots on the ground. However, why should Russia send its own men to die for those who can't stand up for their homeland? I swear, if there's any infantry unit these Syrians deserve it's the komissars.

>>32298462
>dat map
TAKBIR!
A
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>>32302116

>Turret clearly seen flying off to the left

>MUH GERMAN ENGINEERING

This fucking joke war is so funny, it's better than anything on TV. You got sand nigger fanatics running around in pick ups and driving suicide bombs into each other, tribal warfare, ineffectual combat, poor understanding of modern weapons and combat and lots of dead Slimes.

It's a fucking hoot.

>>32301737
He either dies in combat (preferably) or in the Hands of Assads secret police. (In that case he will probably wish the former fate).

No way they let such a prominent face escape unharmed.

>>32301908
>>32301959
>>32302003

Wouldn't it possible that some guys in the russian military want to create a situation where the politicians can be convinced that its necessary to send more troops?

So now that Palmyra has fallen again they might think that this would convince Putin to send more.

>>32289987
Anyone got material for a layman to read on that would explain some of this modern military stuff?
I don't get half of what is reported and I'd like to have the general notion of how everything works.

>>32297959
>Chlorine barrel bombs
What the fuck? How are they supposed to look like? A chlorine gas cylinder inside a barrel?

Looks like the """moderate""" rebels and the (((media))) are making shit up again.

>>32302557
But thats not what happened this time. They fought for like 2,5 days to cover the retreat of all the civilians. At this point, the russians were long gone though.

>>32300687
>Syria focuses on Aleppo
>ISIS take advantage and attack a weaker position

Truly this is some reptilian tier conspiracy afoot

>>32302661
>A chlorine gas cylinder inside a barrel?

quite literally that. It's happened periodically in Idlib province. I really wouldn't put it past some spiteful air force commander. It's not like they are really effective or anything, just an added fuck you. That or they used old chemical waste and re-purpose the barrels as bombs, they are rather large barrels that store chlorine.

>>32302116
>>32302620

The 2A4 is kinda old actually. It was build between 85 and 87.. (i have no idea if the turks have any kind of upgrades on their tanks to bring them up to date).

Of course it gets blown to pieces by modern anti tank missles.

>>32302365
What am I looking at here?

>>32302365
Is this palmyra?

>>32302709
It's NERA is still pretty good

>>32302658
lurk moar

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>>32302116
Excuse me if I'm getting confused, but that picture is from Aleppo, no? It says Halab at the bottom right, which refers to where the pics (or in this case, the screenshots from a video) is taken from my knowledge.

>>32302789
Yes, Aleppo province

>>32302789
Technically speaking the Turks are in Aleppo. Just not in Aleppo City.

>>32302736
It says HIMS so yes it's palmyra

>>32302677
They left months ago after completing their work of removing all the unexploded munitions from the town's outskirts. What would their purpose be there anyway?

>>32302852
Apparently there were a small russian pressence to coordinate air attacks against IS.

american trapped inside aleppo stays happy while broadcasting his 'maybe my last message from aleppo'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T0GwC5Ef68

>>32302862
Was there? I don't recall reading about that. This also reminds me of that guy who was directing air strikes and got overrun, he worked alone. Also, all this does not explain the amount of abandoned untouched supplies and this >>32302365 shit. You'd think if they held for 2.5 days, they would have time to blow all those supply depots up before leaving.

>>32302907
That pic is from 2015 Anon.. thats from the last time.

a leppo is kill

press F

F

Aleppo has just been wrapped up.
It's over.

Now those retards really need to divert some of the huge amount of troops in the city to Homs.

>>32302941
>>32302954
sause

>>32302976
It's everywhere.

>>32302976
Baath party central in Aleppo for example. Iranian tv reports on it too.

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>>32302954

>>32303009
That map is old (an hour or two ago).

>>32302918
No it's fresh, i just said that SAA is doing the same shit as in 2015, it is fleeing over desert.

>>32302918
What is the number 1438 doing in the lower part of the image then?

How long until Tiger forces re-capture Palmyra? 2 weeks?

>>32303014
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this is stalingrad

>>32303031
It's old in the regard that it doesn't show the situation on the ground anymore.

>>32301908
>>32302003
Or, you know.
They fled.

>>32303021
I wonder, will ISIS even install proper defense in Palmyra, or it's just a glorified raid

It's ogre

>>32303090
We'll find out soon i guess.

>>32303112
No, Syria state already announced it. It's official.
Jihadi Julian on suicide watch

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>>32303126

>>32303123
I was replying on a IS defense in Palmyra or not.. but yea, Aleppo is finally free.

Apparently they already executed almost 100 rebels.

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>>32303126
Palmyra here we go

>>32300547
the fuck it is, they just claimed it closed last week, and even then im not so sure considering the super slow pace of the mosul op. isis had forever to start shifting manpower to syria, many people claimed they were doing this and isis may have even said they were doing it themselves.

>>32300634
because no one sees comabt in ghouta.. they have been closing pockets there recently they just have that fuck huge bastion of jayesh al islam to close up.

>>32300753
you can hold a heavily defend airbase completely cut off for years if you really have too
>see kweires airbase, SAA held out for 4 years

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>>32303154
what is an palymra

>>32300909
still with the >300/500. they would need more than that to take the t4. though them gassing isis probably wont happen but with this war anything is possible.

>>32301222
see>>32296334
no one seems to know. SAA claimed the ndf were bribed, ndf claim the Russians booked it and didn't tell anyone which spooked them Isis claims ~300 dead ndf but only posted pictures of loot and no bodies

>>32301258
>>32301365
they are talking about doing hit and runs on the khassner highway. so talk that as you will. doesnt sound like anything large scale though.

>>32302554
you dun goofed and gave yourself the curse boy

So, how much manpower IS approximately has now?They don't seem to get that much recruits nowadays.
There are reports of around 4k participating in Palmyra offensive

>>32302658
you gonna have to lurk more, but you can start googling about SAA and NDF groups and ISIS and "rebel" groups. oryx blog has some interesting articles. shit like that

Is it true that SAA is executing Rebel commanders right at this moment?

>>32302852
there was a small russian spec ops camp that remained there to try and hold things together but it was like literally platoon strength.

>>32303349
Some people will say no, but really is it that far fetched? I just expect that treatment from any group in this conflict by now. Everyone is super cut throat.

>>32303322
>of around 4k participating in Palmyra offensive

i would be surprised if its more than 1k.


>>32298092
>That's what you get

What he got:
Access to several 100k civilians (tax payers and recruits).
Control of the 2nd most important city of the country

What he lost:
around 20 vehicles, maybe 100 militamen and a little town in the middle of the desert.

Sounds like a good deal..

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T-62 SVBIED and driver, hit Palmyra.

>>32303354
wonder how the big the bloodbath will be over the coming months now that Assad is under control. All those anti-government activists are probably on a list.

>>32303349
I've seen the statements on twitter that they executed between 50 and 80 guys by now, but why not.

The rebels are not official soldiers, so according to international law these guys are just thugs with guns in a warzone and martial law allows to kill them outright.

>>32303370
I assume they will keep it at minimum. A few head figures have to die, but overall the amnesty programs will be accepted i guess.

I assume that lots of the fighters will get the choice to join the NDF (and shipped directly to Palmyra).

>>32303367
this reminds me to the special suicid squads from ww2.

>>32303371
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that's true, but as well can be a propaganda.
One way or another, they had it coming.They had all options to surrender earlier

Fresh thread made ready for use once this dies

>>32303389

>>32303389

>>32303389

>>32303393
Exactly.

I'm pretty sure there were some unplanned executions of well know figureheads. I mean, these guys fought against each other in Aleppo for month while taunting each other on twitter and youtube. Some bills have to be payed right now.

These very first hours after the victory are super chaotic so some rebels might just disappear but overall i think they won't just execute all of them.

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ive heard people freaking out about it, only thing i actually saw was a video of the SAA beating the shit out of some guys. a couple of them looked like they might have been dead but you couldnt really tell.

they were searching peoples phones to see who were jihadists, a lot of them shaved their beards and tried to get out with the civies. depending on what they find yeah they might kill some of them.

they claim to have gotten the 3 memebers of the zinki gang you cut off that kids head too!!

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Rebels pokered high and lost. Of course there is some anger and hate among the SAA guys who lost friends and family to the rebels. And if some of them were stupid enough to keep pictures of themselves with cut off heads or similar things on their phone while trying to escape than they had it coming.. They could have surrendered weeks ago.

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>they claim to have gotten the 3 memebers of the zinki gang you cut off that kids head too!!
Now this is something I would like to see
>zinki fucc bois get mauled by their fellow dune coons